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mtompset |
Nice blip that was. :) |
| 00:50 |
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BobB |
good afternoon all (as it may be for you and will be for me in 10 mins or so) |
| 00:51 |
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BobB |
does enabling ICU chains for searching in say, Korean script have any negative consequences for searching latin-based languages in the same catalogue? |
| 00:52 |
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BobB |
and if so, will the elastic search work address that? |
| 00:52 |
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rangi |
i think all the ICU experts are asleep |
| 00:52 |
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BobB |
yeah, prolly |
| 00:52 |
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eythian |
I'd ask dcook |
| 00:53 |
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eythian |
becaues I always ask him for zebra questions |
| 00:53 |
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eythian |
I don't know if he even knows the answers, or just goes and looks it up. |
| 00:53 |
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BobB |
what about elastic search eythian? Are you testing that for Arabic, etc? |
| 00:53 |
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eythian |
I'm not yet |
| 00:53 |
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BobB |
ok, thx |
| 00:54 |
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eythian |
but, it ought to work reasonably well straight from the get-go I think |
| 00:54 |
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eythian |
it also understands some languages so will be able to do a bit better with them |
| 00:56 |
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BobB |
i'm asking for a project where the translations haven't been done yet: two new langauges, so it won't be any time soon, I expect |
| 00:56 |
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eythian |
ah right |
| 00:56 |
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BobB |
how long does it take to create a translation, from scratch? |
| 00:56 |
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BobB |
weeks or months? |
| 00:57 |
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eythian |
@later tell drojf hey wait, you're going pro now? awesome :) |
| 00:57 |
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huginn |
eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:58 |
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eythian |
BobB: I'd guess weeks of FTE, but I'm not really sure. |
| 00:58 |
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BobB |
cool, thx |
| 00:58 |
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rangi |
it depends entirely on if the people have done translations before |
| 01:00 |
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Francesca |
hey |
| 01:00 |
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eythian |
@later tell drojf wordpress has munched the GPG key on your site, btw, -- has become — for example. "gpg: geen geldige OpenPGP gegevens gevonden." |
| 01:00 |
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huginn |
eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:01 |
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BobB |
rangi: almost certainly not |
| 01:01 |
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rangi |
yeah then it will take a wee while |
| 01:03 |
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* Francesca |
waves at rangi |
| 01:03 |
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rangi |
hey Francesca |
| 01:03 |
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wahanui |
I love the 11th doctor! |
| 01:04 |
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Francesca |
I've got everything cloned now |
| 01:04 |
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Francesca |
but I still have no idea how to set up hea-app on the vm |
| 01:05 |
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rangi |
hmm maybe you could drop aleisha an email, she set it up on hers |
| 01:05 |
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Francesca |
gotta find her email first but sure |
| 01:05 |
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Francesca |
all I need is to have it running so I can test any CSS changes I make |
| 01:05 |
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rangi |
yup |
| 01:05 |
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rangi |
i cant remember how she set it up |
| 01:06 |
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Francesca |
I'll get in touch with her |
| 01:06 |
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rangi |
cool thanks |
| 01:07 |
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Francesca |
when I get it working I'm planning to change the colours to match up with the other sites I did some work on |
| 01:07 |
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rangi |
sounds good |
| 01:08 |
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Francesca |
sorry I keep missing you on tuesdays btw |
| 01:08 |
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rangi |
no problem |
| 01:08 |
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Francesca |
I know thats the day we set up to chat on here |
| 01:08 |
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Francesca |
I keep getting sick |
| 01:10 |
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rangi |
whenever you get time is fine |
| 01:12 |
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Francesca |
I've been coming on here at random times and I keep missing yo |
| 01:12 |
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Francesca |
you |
| 01:13 |
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Francesca |
but I go on mid semester break just before easter so I'll have lots of time then |
| 01:16 |
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rangi |
sweet |
| 01:47 |
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eythian |
https://www.indiegogo.com/proj[…]con-man/x/4049159 <-- firefly etc. nerds |
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dcook |
eythian: Half the time I know the answer, half the time I know where to go to find it ;) |
| 02:37 |
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mtompset |
@seen wizzyrea |
| 02:37 |
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huginn |
mtompset: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 2 days, 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> I could probably convince the family that a trip to a hackfest in oz would be a good thing to do. |
| 02:38 |
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mtompset |
Is there someone else, other than wizzyrea who has the ability to add paid support listings? |
| 02:38 |
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dcook |
BobB: As for ICU, it would depend on what the transliteration is doing, I suppose |
| 02:38 |
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* dcook |
did a lot of reading about ICU a while back when he found that ICU phrase tokenization bug |
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| 02:59 |
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eythian |
oh dear. I just spent from last night til now trying to work out why I couldn't seach authority records. |
| 02:59 |
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eythian |
I just discovered that "peter" works, and "Peter" doesn't. |
| 02:59 |
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rangi |
oh |
| 02:59 |
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eythian |
arg |
| 02:59 |
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rangi |
case sensitivity eh |
| 02:59 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 02:59 |
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rangi |
there must be a switch to switch that off eh? |
| 02:59 |
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eythian |
this is fixable, but I thought I'd already fixed it |
| 03:00 |
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dcook |
Bizarre |
| 03:00 |
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mtompset |
perhaps you did, but the bug fix hasn't hit master? or you forgot to submit the bug, and you did an upgrade? |
| 03:01 |
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eythian |
that's not really how elasticsearch development is working at the moment |
| 03:03 |
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eythian |
lowercase tokenising is default, but it doesn't seem to apply to search terms. |
| 03:03 |
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eythian |
That surprises me |
| 03:05 |
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dcook |
When did you make it the default? |
| 03:05 |
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dcook |
Maybe it just needs a reindex? |
| 03:06 |
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eythian |
ages ago |
| 03:06 |
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dcook |
Hmm |
| 03:06 |
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eythian |
I'm thinking it's lowercasing when it indexes, but it's not lowercasing when it does the comparison. |
| 03:06 |
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dcook |
That's how it sounds |
| 03:06 |
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dcook |
But that's also bizarre :S |
| 03:07 |
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eythian |
analyser_standard => { |
| 03:07 |
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eythian |
tokenizer => 'standard', |
| 03:07 |
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eythian |
filter => 'lowercase', |
| 03:07 |
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eythian |
} |
| 03:07 |
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dcook |
Unless it uses a different config file? |
| 03:07 |
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eythian |
that is being applied to everything indexed |
| 03:07 |
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eythian |
where we're going, we don't neen config files |
| 03:07 |
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eythian |
*need |
| 03:07 |
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dcook |
hehe |
| 03:08 |
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dcook |
But surely you'd need to tell it that you need to lowercase your search terms? |
| 03:08 |
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dcook |
Unless it knows to use the analyser_standard I guess.. |
| 03:08 |
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dcook |
But why would it know? |
| 03:08 |
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eythian |
well, I don't know |
| 03:08 |
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* dcook |
had fun playing with words-icu.xml a while back... |
| 03:08 |
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eythian |
I really need to get the elasticsearch book, go to the quiet room, and read the whole thing. |
| 03:09 |
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dcook |
hehe |
| 03:09 |
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dcook |
Yeah, I've pondered doing similar things |
| 03:09 |
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* dcook |
still hasn't gotten past the first few chapters of PBP |
| 03:09 |
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dcook |
And I even bought the ebook |
| 03:09 |
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eythian |
this should be able to handle a lot of things by magic |
| 03:09 |
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eythian |
and we can plug in analysers if we like |
| 03:10 |
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eythian |
I really want to push more logic to the index phase rather than the search phase. |
| 03:11 |
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dcook |
Yeah, that'd be nice |
| 03:11 |
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rangi |
that makes sense |
| 03:11 |
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dcook |
Well, depending on what we're doing I guess |
| 03:11 |
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dcook |
Rather do it once than a million times.. |
| 03:11 |
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eythian |
there's places where values are derived from parts of a record. |
| 03:11 |
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dcook |
I forgot you could plug in different analysers |
| 03:11 |
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eythian |
we can just chuck those into the record when we index it |
| 03:13 |
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dcook |
:D |
| 03:13 |
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dcook |
What's an example? |
| 03:13 |
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wahanui |
rumour has it an example is probably a status change |
| 03:14 |
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eythian |
when searching authorities, we take a set of bits of it, based on the type, and make it into a long string like aThisbThancThe next thing |
| 03:14 |
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dcook |
:S |
| 03:14 |
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dcook |
Interesting |
| 03:14 |
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wahanui |
i guess Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 03:14 |
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eythian |
there's also a BuildSummary method that does a lot of complicated things. |
| 03:16 |
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dcook |
Ooo, we could index all sorts of stuff |
| 03:16 |
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dcook |
Non-MARC stuff |
| 03:16 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 03:16 |
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dcook |
Yeah? |
| 03:16 |
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dcook |
Sweet |
| 03:16 |
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eythian |
that's what I've been hinting at for a while now :) |
| 03:17 |
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dcook |
Hehe. It took me a while. |
| 03:17 |
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dcook |
I missed lunch :/ |
| 03:17 |
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dcook |
And now that I'm comfy, I'm hestitant to get up a make a sammich |
| 03:17 |
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dcook |
I used to think I needed a lackey, but maybe I just need a really smart dog... |
| 03:17 |
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dcook |
The dude who taught me how to weld had a dog named Whiskey |
| 03:17 |
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dcook |
Could open the fridge, fetch him a beer, close the fridge, and bring back the beer |
| 03:18 |
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dcook |
Admittedly, a toasted sandwich might be more complicated... |
| 03:18 |
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* dcook |
doesn't think the dog could pour whiskey either |
| 03:18 |
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eythian |
that dog needed some new tricks |
| 03:18 |
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eythian |
but, the beer one is certainly useful |
| 03:20 |
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dcook |
I know, right? |
| 03:20 |
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dcook |
Of course the lackey could go and buy beer... |
| 03:20 |
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dcook |
What's the drinking age in New Zealand? |
| 03:20 |
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dcook |
If I start growing a child now, how long until they can fetch me beer? :p |
| 03:21 |
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eythian |
longer than if you just hired one |
| 03:21 |
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eythian |
dcook: 18 here |
| 03:24 |
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dcook |
Well, I don't want a hired hand sitting in my living room at 10pm |
| 03:24 |
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dcook |
Of course, if they just kept the fridge stocked... |
| 03:24 |
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dcook |
Actually, I think Coles does deliver alcohol... although it might just be wine? |
| 03:24 |
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dcook |
Nah, they deliver beer too... |
| 03:24 |
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dcook |
But not same day delivery |
| 03:24 |
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* dcook |
shakes his head with disappointment |
| 03:26 |
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eythian |
you have students there, right? There's bound to be a 30 minute delivery service. |
| 03:26 |
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| 03:26 |
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dcook |
Hmm, I do work by 2 different universities... |
| 03:27 |
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dcook |
There's actually a wine shop next door I think |
| 03:27 |
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dcook |
But they're too pricy |
| 03:27 |
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* dcook |
would probably have to walk 5 minutes to buy a case |
| 03:27 |
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dcook |
And I'm too comfy at the moment :p |
| 03:28 |
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eythian |
the problems you have :) |
| 03:28 |
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dcook |
It's a tough life |
| 03:29 |
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dcook |
Ok, bbiab |
| 03:29 |
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dcook |
Well, brb. It won't take that long.. |
| 03:30 |
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* eythian |
waits for dcook to return with a case of wine |
| 03:40 |
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dcook |
Just sandwiches :p |
| 03:41 |
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dcook |
Now just need moar hands |
| 03:44 |
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eythian |
http://www.elastic.co/guide/en[…]s-icu-plugin.html <-- dcook |
| 03:45 |
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eythian |
I'm not using that at the moment |
| 03:46 |
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dcook |
Mmm interesting |
| 03:51 |
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dcook |
I'll have to look more deeply another time :) |
| 03:51 |
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eythian |
does that mean you're not going to solve my problem here? |
| 03:51 |
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eythian |
damn |
| 03:52 |
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mtompset |
Have fun, eythian. :) |
| 03:53 |
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mtompset |
Have a great day, #koha dcook eythian rangi |
| 03:53 |
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dcook |
haha |
| 03:53 |
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dcook |
I think I'd have to look more at a functional ES to start trying to help solve the problem :) |
| 03:57 |
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eythian |
http://www.elastic.co/guide/en[…]ce-is-broken.html <-- zebra needs a page like this |
| 04:01 |
|
dcook |
Mmm I like that |
| 04:02 |
|
dcook |
Although not sure what "enough data" might be :p |
| 04:04 |
|
dcook |
Inverse document frequency took me a minute to puzzle out |
| 04:04 |
|
dcook |
I was like "But... but if it's in lots of indexes, surely it's relevant!" |
| 04:04 |
|
dcook |
Then I realized that doesn't make sense |
| 04:04 |
|
dcook |
"The pickle" |
| 04:04 |
|
dcook |
The will appear in everything, so it's certainly way less relevant than "pickle" |
| 04:04 |
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dcook |
"The" will* |
| 04:04 |
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* dcook |
goes back to pretending not to be distracted by eythian and his ES ways |
| 04:04 |
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eythian |
heh |
| 04:05 |
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eythian |
annoying, as far as I can tell, I can't do a proper phrase search across all fields. |
| 04:05 |
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eythian |
because _all only seems to work with "real" fields, and my phrase field is sorta a synthetic one. |
| 04:06 |
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* eythian |
tries something... |
| 04:07 |
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eythian |
damn, that didn't work. |
| 04:23 |
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dcook |
IE is so terribad... |
| 04:24 |
|
eythian |
yeah |
| 04:25 |
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eythian |
@karma IE |
| 04:25 |
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huginn |
eythian: Karma for "IE" has been increased 0 times and decreased 18 times for a total karma of -18. |
| 04:26 |
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dcook |
IE-- |
| 04:26 |
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dcook |
For good measure |
| 04:26 |
|
dcook |
Hmm.. |
| 04:26 |
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IE |
IE-- |
| 04:26 |
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huginn |
IE: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. |
| 04:26 |
|
IE |
hehe |
| 04:27 |
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dcook |
Even IE doesn't think it's very good... |
| 04:27 |
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* dcook |
is easily amused |
| 04:39 |
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eythian |
yay! |
| 04:40 |
|
eythian |
phrase searching across all fields now works |
| 04:40 |
|
eythian |
turns out you can create a fake field and tall everything else to copy their content into it |
| 04:40 |
|
eythian |
*tell |
| 04:40 |
|
dcook |
:D |
| 04:40 |
|
eythian |
so I could make one with the parameters I want, and now I just have to remember to use _allphrase instead of _all where appropriate. |
| 04:40 |
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* dcook |
isn't sure what this all means but yay for working |
| 04:40 |
|
eythian |
which isn't ideal, but it'll do. |
| 04:41 |
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eythian |
still haven't sorted the case issue, but I think I'll cheat and lc() it from perl for now. |
| 04:41 |
|
dcook |
What's an example? :) |
| 04:41 |
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dcook |
:o |
| 04:41 |
|
eythian |
$ curl -XPOST 'http://koha-es:9200/koha_robin[…]_search?pretty=1' -d ' |
| 04:41 |
|
eythian |
{ |
| 04:41 |
|
eythian |
"query" : { |
| 04:41 |
|
eythian |
"term" : { "_allphrase" : "Vial, Peter" } |
| 04:41 |
|
eythian |
} |
| 04:41 |
|
eythian |
}' |
| 04:41 |
|
eythian |
will find an authority that has that name in a field |
| 04:41 |
|
eythian |
but searching for "Vial, Pete" won't result in anything (which is what I want) |
| 04:42 |
|
eythian |
previously, I had to search the specific field that was in, I couldn't search _all as that was tokenised |
| 04:42 |
|
eythian |
(err, modulo caps, I copied the wrong test) |
| 04:43 |
|
eythian |
well, not only that, I had to search in say, 'Heading.phrase' |
| 04:43 |
|
eythian |
as my .phrase fields aren't tokenised. |
| 04:44 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, might have something about the case thing.. |
| 04:44 |
|
dcook |
What query are you using for Peter? |
| 04:45 |
|
eythian |
what do you mean? |
| 04:45 |
|
eythian |
the query is the bit that follows "query" above. |
| 04:45 |
|
eythian |
It's not the case thing |
| 04:45 |
|
eythian |
oh, you might have an idea? |
| 04:45 |
|
eythian |
I'd like ideas. |
| 04:45 |
|
dcook |
Haha |
| 04:45 |
|
dcook |
http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]ase-filter-search |
| 04:45 |
|
dcook |
Admittedly I don't really understand ES (yet) |
| 04:46 |
|
dcook |
But it's saying something about term not being analyzed? :S |
| 04:47 |
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| 04:47 |
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eythian |
an |
| 04:47 |
|
eythian |
ah |
| 04:47 |
|
eythian |
that does sound like my issue |
| 04:48 |
|
eythian |
I really really don't want to use the query type if I can help it. |
| 04:48 |
|
* dcook |
isn't even sure what that means :) |
| 04:48 |
|
eythian |
it feels more freeform than I want for authority searching. |
| 04:48 |
|
dcook |
Mmm |
| 04:48 |
|
eythian |
it's what I'm using for biblio searching, it lets you use more lucene style queries |
| 04:49 |
|
dcook |
But you want to be more specific? |
| 04:49 |
|
eythian |
yeah |
| 04:49 |
|
eythian |
the authority stuff seems to be (perhaps overly) precise |
| 04:49 |
|
eythian |
really, it should probably respect the caps all the way through to be properly precise, but that's going too far I feel |
| 04:50 |
|
dcook |
I wonder about that sort of thing all the time |
| 04:53 |
|
dcook |
Hmm this seems relevant but you probably already know all this: http://www.elastic.co/guide/en[…]ing_analysis.html |
| 04:53 |
|
eythian |
yeah |
| 04:53 |
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dcook |
I wonder why the term query wouldn't be analysed :S |
| 04:53 |
|
eythian |
my issue was that I was expecting the search analysers to be provided |
| 04:54 |
|
eythian |
*applied |
| 04:54 |
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dcook |
Can you provide them? |
| 04:54 |
|
eythian |
I have |
| 04:54 |
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eythian |
s/provided/applied/ aboce |
| 04:54 |
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eythian |
above |
| 04:54 |
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eythian |
I'm losing the ability to connect brain to keyboard |
| 04:54 |
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dcook |
keyboard brain! |
| 04:55 |
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eythian |
when you first build an index, it loads the field mappings from the database and generates a big pile of elasticsearch mappings to create the index with |
| 04:58 |
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dcook |
Hmm, I think I'd have to read more to know more |
| 04:59 |
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dcook |
I figured the analyser probably wasn't being applied.. |
| 04:59 |
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dcook |
For the term query |
| 05:05 |
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dcook |
Hmm suddenly I'm craving donuts... |
| 05:09 |
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eythian |
I'm double booked this evening. Fortunately, both events chose the same location. |
| 05:09 |
|
eythian |
this works out well |
| 05:11 |
|
dcook |
I hope your computer isn't the location for both :p |
| 05:11 |
|
eythian |
no :) |
| 05:11 |
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dcook |
:D |
| 05:11 |
|
dcook |
I barely know what day of the week it is... |
| 05:11 |
|
dcook |
Thursday... |
| 05:12 |
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dcook |
Chore night I guess |
| 05:12 |
|
eythian |
I don't like how authority searching has modes, of which two are "is" and "exact" |
| 05:13 |
|
eythian |
it turns out when it says "exact", it doesn't quite mean that. |
| 05:13 |
|
eythian |
however "is" means exact |
| 05:14 |
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* dcook |
shudders |
| 05:15 |
|
eythian |
I bet almost no one ever uses these options anyway |
| 05:15 |
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eythian |
but, they need to be implemented... |
| 05:20 |
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dcook |
Or patches sent to remove them from Koha/Zebra :p |
| 05:20 |
|
eythian |
heh |
| 05:23 |
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dcook |
Hmm hate when a fix doesn't work.. |
| 05:24 |
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dcook |
Aha... found a workaround |
| 05:24 |
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* dcook |
must be talking about IE, if he's willing to go with a workaround |
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eythian |
it's the only option so often |
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dcook |
Yeah, it's sad making |
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dcook |
I want to say there is a "bootstrap-ie7.css" file out there... I think we've even used it. I should rack it down again |
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dcook |
Aha... found it |
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dcook |
Take that IE7 |
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eythian |
IE7...isn't that deprecated by now? |
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dcook |
Only like...technically |
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dcook |
I think once people actually leave Windows XP, it might be over |
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dcook |
There are so many government departments that would probably work way better on Linux |
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eythian |
yeah, we had to support a government dept on XP up until far too late last year |
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dcook |
:( |
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dcook |
I'm not 100% sure that I actually need to in this case |
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dcook |
Done it enough with DSpace in the past for it to be not too much of a thing though |
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eythian |
ah right |
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eythian |
time for me to go |
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eythian |
later |
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* eythian |
& |
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dcook |
ta |
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dcook |
Hmm, already using the bootstrap-ie7.css apparently... |
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mveron |
Good daytime #koha |
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mveron |
@wunder Allschwil |
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mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is -1.0°C (8:00 AM CET on March 12, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). |
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mveron |
What a bright day! |
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mveron |
hi josef_moravec :-) |
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reiveune |
hello |
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jenkins_koha |
Yippee, build fixed! |
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wahanui |
o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.18.x_U14 build #61: FIXED in 33 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.18.x_U14/61/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Kyle M Hall: Bug 13473 - Plugins fail |
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jenkins_koha |
* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13753: koha-indexer contains invalid statement |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13473 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Plugins fail when loading templates |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13753 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , INDEXER_DAEMON default is incorrect in koha-indexer |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
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fridolin |
hie all |
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drojf |
morning #koha |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #63 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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mveron |
Hi drojf :-) |
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drojf |
hi mveron :) |
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mveron |
and hi everybody :-) |
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drojf |
@wunder berlin, germany |
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huginn |
drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 3.0°C (8:50 AM CET on March 12, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Rising). |
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drojf |
spring went over soon :( |
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mveron |
it will come back... |
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drojf |
i hope so ;) |
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akafred |
The Koha Plugin system, would that be a natural place to extend Koha with country specific features? Are there limitations to it's use? |
| 08:19 |
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drojf |
akafred: can't answer the question about the plugin system, but what kind of country specific features are you thinking of? |
| 08:21 |
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akafred |
Hm. Poor example. Let me try another one: Could an NCIP server possibly be a plugin? |
| 08:21 |
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akafred |
(Or even, is the one that exists a plugin?) |
| 08:22 |
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rangi |
no and no |
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rangi |
theres no point in tying an ncip server that tightly to koha |
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rangi |
there's just a Koha driver, (and an Evergreen one) and whatever else to the NCIP server |
| 08:24 |
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akafred |
Could the Koha driver be a plugin? |
| 08:25 |
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rangi |
eh? |
| 08:25 |
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rangi |
its a driver for NCIP |
| 08:25 |
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rangi |
so no, that wouldnt make any sense |
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akafred |
Hm. Where can I learn more about plugins? And the NCIP-server? |
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rangi |
plugins are for extending koha |
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rangi |
you dont need to extend anything in koha to do ncip |
| 08:27 |
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rangi |
all you need is a server that speaks the incredibly stupid pile of xml that ncip is |
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drojf |
lol |
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rangi |
and calls the appropriate functions in whatever ils you have behind it |
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rangi |
it really really is a horrible standard |
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rangi |
http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?[…]13df3c76da67f1820 |
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rangi |
all that |
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rangi |
to look up a borrower |
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liw |
rangi, I think you have been misled and have not read the Important Hacker Memorandum that sets down the rule that anything that uses XML is pretty and perfect |
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rangi |
and thats the simplest message there is |
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rangi |
liw: :) |
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rangi |
akafred: a good example of the plugins, is the EDS plugin |
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akafred |
rangi: Would you prefer it to be MARC? ;-) |
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rangi |
actually i would |
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rangi |
it's that bad |
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rangi |
you have to actually implement natural language parsing |
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nlegrand |
hey #koha! |
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akafred |
is it xml that is the problem, or the ncip standard? |
| 08:33 |
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rangi |
the standard |
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wahanui |
it has been said that the standard is to rewrite it with Javascript, which isn't a great solution. |
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rangi |
<Value>Hold For Pickup And Notify</Value> |
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rangi |
<RequestedActionType> |
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akafred |
Yep. |
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rangi |
the standard does not specify what can be between the value tags |
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akafred |
They have made it too general. |
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rangi |
consequently every single ILL system does it different |
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rangi |
basically you win nothing except complexity over SIP2 |
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rangi |
also, most ILL systems dont care about security and the standard leaves it out |
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rangi |
so its http in the clear, with no authentication or sessions |
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rangi |
it's AWESOME |
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rangi |
ncip? |
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wahanui |
i heard ncip was NISO, SIP is 3M |
| 08:36 |
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rangi |
ncip? |
| 08:36 |
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wahanui |
http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]g-on-ncip-kohails |
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rangi |
that's exactly what working with it is like |
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drojf |
:D |
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rangi |
plugin https://github.com/ebsco/edsapi-koha-plugin |
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rangi |
and in action |
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rangi |
https://library.niwa.co.nz/ |
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* mveron |
did a first tiny step for Bug 13813... |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13813 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Remove deprecated module C4::Dates from system |
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rangi |
you can choose between discovery and the catalogue in the drop down |
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jenkins_koha |
Yippee, build fixed! |
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wahanui |
o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.18.x_D7 build #69: FIXED in 27 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.18.x_D7/69/ |
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jenkins_koha |
Chris Cormack: Revert "Bug 13789 - facets with accented utf-8 characters generate double encoded links" |
| 08:39 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13789 major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , facets with accented utf-8 characters generate double encoded links |
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rangi |
mveron++ |
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mveron |
rangi: For possible changes to DateUtils.pm, it would be great to have Bug 13601 QAed / pushed |
| 08:45 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13601 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Get rid of DateTime::Format::DateParse |
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* cait |
waves |
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* rangi |
isnt part of the QA team |
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rangi |
but i can push it to 3.18.x if it is needed and once its pushed to master |
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cait |
rangi - when is the freeze for translation again? |
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rangi |
15th |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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cait |
oh so soon |
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cait |
and weekend |
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cait |
i found some more paging issues, but they should be translation safe |
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cait |
will test |
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cait |
making screenshots for the user meeting of course turned up some more finding (such things always do) |
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magnuse |
rangi: i know you explained it once before, but i didn't take notes... :-( what's the difference between the two scripts in the bin of NCIPserver? |
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magnuse |
ncip_dancing.pl and start_server.pl |
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* mveron |
waves to cait :-) |
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cait |
hi mveron |
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wahanui |
hi mveron are you ther yet |
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mveron |
...and to magnuse and all the others... |
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rangi |
one starts up an http server (dancer) |
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rangi |
one starts up a server listening on a port |
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rangi |
to be fully compliant you have to support, http, https and raw |
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magnuse |
ooh "The Oslo Perl Mongers are happy to invite you to the Nordic Perl Workshop, May 8-10th 2015. This year is special in that the NPW is being organized as a part of the Nordic Open Source Developers' Conference (OSDC.no)." http://act.osdc.no/osdc2015no/ |
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magnuse |
ah, so one is http(s) and one is raw, gotcha |
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rangi |
cos ... well who knows why really, someone really liked 1969 and it's protocols maybe |
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magnuse |
lulz |
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magnuse |
yeah, library tech tends to do that |
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rangi |
right time for sleep for me |
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magnuse |
sleep tight rangi! |
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mveron |
Good night, rangi |
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cait |
night rangi |
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drojf |
night rangi, moin cait and magnuse |
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magnuse |
moin drojf atheia Viktor |
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Viktor |
Hi Magnuse! |
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nlegrand |
it's still not possible to check all late orders list as bug 7481 proposed? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7481 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, CLOSED DUPLICATE, Select all/Deselect all on the late orders list (Claim order button) |
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cait |
nlegrand: i think you can do all for one vendor at once |
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cait |
i thought |
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nlegrand |
cait: I can't an a 3.18 and master right now |
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cait |
let me find it |
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nlegrand |
thanks ^^ |
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cait |
use the filter on the left |
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cait |
and limit to a vendor |
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cait |
then the uncheck all/check all will appear :) |
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nlegrand |
cait: great! Thank you :) |
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cait |
:) |
| 09:25 |
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nlegrand |
another question about Koha process dev, if we open a public market and pay someone for some dev, is it ok to ask them to put it on the bugzilla and for us to sign it when we're satisfied? (still thinking about separate quota for on-site checkout) |
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magnuse |
you can sign it off, but i think it would need an independent signoff too? |
| 09:28 |
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magnuse |
or disinterested |
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nlegrand |
:) |
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nlegrand |
That's good enough for me :) |
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cait |
nlegrand: you shoudl totally ask them to submit |
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nlegrand |
:) |
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jenkins_koha |
Yippee, build fixed! |
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wahanui |
o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.18.x_U12 build #46: FIXED in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.18.x_U12/46/ |
| 09:38 |
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jenkins_koha |
Chris Cormack: Revert "Bug 13789 - facets with accented utf-8 characters generate double encoded links" |
| 09:38 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13789 major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , facets with accented utf-8 characters generate double encoded links |
| 09:46 |
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akafred |
Joubu: https://github.com/gempesaw/Se[…]e-Driver/pull/189 ..... Still WIP, but ... |
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Joubu |
akafred: ok thanks, will try to have a look |
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Joubu |
s/try to// :) |
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akafred |
No sweat, just fun that they started work on it immediately after I mentioned it :-) |
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* magnuse |
spins up a new linode to run an ill demo on |
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atheia |
Hej magnuse (rather belatedly *sheepish*) |
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magnuse |
atheia: hej is swedish, hei is norwegian ;-) |
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atheia |
magnuse: ah, sincere apologies! Let me try again: |
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atheia |
hei magnuse! :-) |
| 10:36 |
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akafred |
Currently Oslo uses the proprietary ILS as their "Identity Provider" (using a SIP2 service as the authentication service). As we are building more services and also other systems need auth/identity this becomes a bit cumbersome (few have SIP2 as a possible auth mechanism ...). What Identity Providers are others using for Koha + other stuff to (reduce number |
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akafred |
of sign-in mechanisms)? What do you recommend? |
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magnuse |
much better atheia ;-) |
| 10:41 |
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magnuse |
akafred: koha supports LDAP, CAS, Shibboleth. so i guess those protocols are used for that sort of thing |
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akafred |
Yep, I have seen that , but I am curious which are actually used, and which are recommended. |
| 10:45 |
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magnuse |
i think biblibre has been working on cas, so maybe someone there knows |
| 10:45 |
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magnuse |
and i think ashimema did the work on shib? |
| 10:46 |
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ashimema |
you called |
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magnuse |
:-) |
| 10:47 |
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magnuse |
you worked on shibboleth, right? |
| 10:48 |
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magnuse |
what is that used for? do you run a shibboleth server that holds all your users? |
| 10:48 |
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magnuse |
or are there other systems using it as a protocol? |
| 10:48 |
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ashimema |
Biblibre has a few customers using CAS I believe.. universities mostly. |
| 10:48 |
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ashimema |
We have a few customers using Shibboleth, Law Firms, Universities and Colleges |
| 10:49 |
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ashimema |
We havn't yet seen a public wanting to do it.. and I can't see why they would.. unless they were using Shib as an OAuth gateway.. which is perfectly viable (i.e. login with google account details for instance) |
| 10:50 |
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ashimema |
We run one test IdP shibboleth wise.. for my development work.. but we in theory offer IdP hosting as a service (where we could use an IdP hosted by us to ensure seamless sign on to all our apps (and anyone elses using Shib/SAML2) in one step |
| 10:51 |
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ashimema |
The drawback of shibboleth is that the IdP hosting has to be bomb proof.. as there is no easy mechanism of fallback |
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* magnuse |
lets akafred ask the followup questions |
| 10:52 |
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ashimema |
It's the tidiest (in my opinion) single sign on solution if your IdP is bombproof.. if you're IdP is not bombproof you will get directed off to a broken service and never get directed back again. |
| 10:52 |
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ashimema |
Shibboleth = SAML2, SAML2 = Shibboleth btw |
| 10:52 |
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ashimema |
akafred.. hopefully that gives you some places to start |
| 10:53 |
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ashimema |
I'd love to see Koha have a full OAuth2 implementation in the near future too.. as my feeling is that's the way forward in general.. |
| 10:54 |
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ashimema |
also.. Shibboleth is simply the medium of transport really.. you still require LDAP/Active Directory or some other storage mechanism behind it at the IdP end |
| 10:55 |
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akafred |
Yep, I am starting to figure that out. |
| 10:56 |
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ashimema |
feel free to quiz me.. I know auth pretty well these days.. |
| 10:56 |
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ashimema |
(and am still the koha auth module maintainer for a little while yet.. though I really need to catch back up on my duties on that front) |
| 10:56 |
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akafred |
Awesome. We'll probably have to go more into this in a while. |
| 10:56 |
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akafred |
ashimema++ |
| 10:56 |
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magnuse |
why not use ldap directly if you have to have that in the wings anyway? |
| 10:57 |
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ashimema |
I'd say if you can guarantee 99%+ uptime on your IdP then shibboleth it a really nice way to go.. it's so seamless (And that would mean I'd have another person to punt bugs to test at ;) ) |
| 10:58 |
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akafred |
:--) |
| 10:58 |
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ashimema |
Suppose it's about what you're wanting to achieve on that front magnuse. |
| 10:59 |
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ashimema |
Shibboleth and CAS I believe both offer 'Single Sign On', whereas LDAP offer 'Single Login/Password Combination over Multiple Sign On) |
| 10:59 |
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magnuse |
ah, ok |
| 10:59 |
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magnuse |
makes sense |
| 10:59 |
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magnuse |
akafred: you might want to look into FEIDE too, that is somehoiw related to SAML feide.no |
| 11:00 |
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magnuse |
i am not sure if it saml under another name, or if it is saml + norwegian adaptations |
| 11:01 |
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ashimema |
LDAP also requires the Identity information to be exchanged between parties.. thus your local application is given some level of information about users by the ldap provider.. people like SAML/Shibboleth if they're in hyper paranoid zones.. as at no point does a username/password pass through a srvice providers clutches. |
| 11:01 |
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ashimema |
workflow to explain the above |
| 11:01 |
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magnuse |
nice |
| 11:02 |
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ashimema |
LDAP: Give me your username and password and I'll pass them along to someone who can varify they're right |
| 11:02 |
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ashimema |
SAML/Shibboleth: Go and ask so and so to tell me you are who you say you are. |
| 11:03 |
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ashimema |
thus in the shibboleth model, the service provider is never privy to such information.. they just get given a secret handshake to varify you are who you say you are.. |
| 11:03 |
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ashimema |
all good fun. |
| 11:04 |
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ashimema |
(OAuth is similar to shibboleth/saml but uses a different browser side agreement system) |
| 11:05 |
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akafred |
If you use shibboleth, do you do user creation outside Koha? |
| 11:07 |
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akafred |
Also with LDAP? |
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ashimema |
your using LDAP/Active Directory or whatever as your definitive source of users.. so yes.. that's where the user should be stored |
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akafred |
Stored I understand, but created by some other mechanism, or would Koha actually create new users in LDAP (if allowed)? |
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ashimema |
You could however if you so chose to do so, have Koha's borrowers table act as you're background store of users and put a shibboleth IdP in front of it. |
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ashimema |
H,,, |
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ashimema |
I don't think Koha supports push to ldap directory |
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ashimema |
as far as I'm aware at least.. |
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ashimema |
and i don't think there is a push mechanism for shibboleth.. as far as I know |
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akafred |
Ok. |
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ashimema |
I'm sure there's probably a way... but they'd need coding ;) |
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ashimema |
koha at the minute is only designed to be an Auth consumer.. not an auth provider really.. |
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akafred |
Have you tried using it as a auth service/provider? |
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akafred |
I mean backed by the borrowsers table? |
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ashimema |
i.e. all the auth mechanisms are really about allowing koha to consume other's authentication.. though of course SIP2, and the API's allow for authenticating against koha thus can sort of act as a provider |
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ashimema |
I've not yet.. haven't had a customer asking for it.. |
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akafred |
Ok. |
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akafred |
Good info. |
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ashimema |
Would be interested to try ;) SimpleSamlPHP (that's that open fiede project magnus mentioned earlier) does exactly that.. |
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ashimema |
it's an IdP for which you can plugin any back end database you want provided you can code a bit of php |
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octo19 |
Hello, we use an old version of Koha. I need to be able to find out what version of Koha we have and how easy it is to upgrade. We are having issues with edits to entires not being saved and the inability to add new entires. |
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octo19 |
Thank you in advance for any help |
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akafred |
... and gone ... I guess the answer would have been to start by looking in the "About Koha"-page in Intra? |
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drojf |
akafred: try again :) |
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octo19 |
Sorry, just learning this. Is the 'About' page accessible via the web interface or only CLI? |
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octo19 |
The boss is on my tail to get these problems solved :) |
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mveron |
octo19: Go to the 'About' page in staff client |
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octo19 |
mveron I don't see that option. |
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octo19 |
is that in CLI? |
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mveron |
Web interface |
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wahanui |
rumour has it Web interface is working right this moment |
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octo19 |
Got it. Version 3.12.04.000 |
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mveron |
:-) |
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octo19 |
However it seems the admin page is on a different version than the user interface? is that possible? |
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mveron |
What do you mean by the user interface? OPAC? |
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octo19 |
Yes |
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drojf |
why do you think it is a different version? that seems very unlikely |
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octo19 |
The admin interface looks different than OPAC |
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drojf |
well, it's a different interface :P |
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magnuse |
they do llok different, yes |
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mveron |
With 3.12 the bootstrap theme was introduced for the OPAC . It was possible to switch between different themes using a system preference. Meanwhile it is bootstrap only. |
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octo19 |
ah ok. makes more sense. |
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octo19 |
does anyone have an idea as to why the entires we edit or add do not show up? |
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drojf |
is your zebra server running? is the zebra cron job for indexing running? |
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octo19 |
How can I check that? |
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octo19 |
drojf |
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drojf |
a 'ps aux | grep zebra' could be a start. also it would be good to know what kind of installation you are using. are you using ebian packages (on debian or ubuntu)? |
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mveron |
octo19:Maybe you see on the About page a Tab "System information". If yes, the Tab "Server information" should say something about your Zebra server not running. Not sure, maybe this was introduced in a later version. |
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drojf |
*debian packages |
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octo19 |
droif it looks like it is running...we are using debian. |
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octo19 |
mveron the zebra server status on that page seems to be normal...it tells me what version of zebra, etc. |
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* mveron |
Has a meeting, sorry |
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cait |
drojf: was introduced later i think |
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cait |
hm mveron i meant |
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cait |
octo19: updating in general might be a good idea since your version is quite old, but it might not solve your issues |
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cait |
sounds like the problem might be in your setup |
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octo19 |
I think updating is my next step...I'll try that and see what happens |
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cait |
if you save records and can't search for them - the problem is most likely the zebra not being set up correctly |
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cait |
an update wouldn't fix that - but it's still not necessarily a bad idea |
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magnuse |
hola tcohen |
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tcohen |
hi magnuse |
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cait |
hola tcohen |
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tcohen |
akafred: yes, they presented it on KohaCon14 |
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tcohen |
hi cait |
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octo19 |
so zebra controls the index and library entry portion of Koha? |
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cait |
your records are saved into the database |
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cait |
but in order to find them again, you need zebra |
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octo19 |
ah ok |
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cait |
tcohen: nice photos :) |
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octo19 |
if it wasn't obvious, I was not the one who set this up :) |
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magnuse |
hiya Dyrcona - i see you have been working on rangi's NCIPServer? |
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Dyrcona |
It's more like he was working on mine, but whatevs.... He just got there first. :) |
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Dyrcona |
We need to merge the two branches and change his code to conform to how I altered the calling conventions. |
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Dyrcona |
magnuse: Did you have any particular question in mind? |
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magnuse |
yeah, that was what i wanted to ask you about |
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magnuse |
if you had a plan for reconciling your work |
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magnuse |
i plan to contribute to/work on that code in the next 2-3 months, and it would be nice to have unified base to work on |
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Dyrcona |
OK. We'll have to bug rangi about it later to see who will do what and when. |
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Dyrcona |
I'd prefer he do the Koha side of things, 'cause I don't really know Koha that well. |
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magnuse |
at least not as well as rangi, eh? ;-) |
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Dyrcona |
Not nearly as well as rangi... ;) |
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magnuse |
hehe |
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magnuse |
do you think it will take a lot of work? |
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Dyrcona |
A few hours, I'd imagine. |
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Dyrcona |
I could do it as long as I'm careful to make sure that the same data goes to the same calls. |
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Dyrcona |
I don't really have a system to test it with though, just Evergreen. |
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magnuse |
Dyrcona: would you prefer to nag rangi into doing it? |
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Dyrcona |
I could, or it might mean more coming from you, particularly since you want to work on it. |
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Dyrcona |
It's tricky sometimes coordinating with the time zone differences, and it might be easier for me in that respect. |
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magnuse |
yeah, i have very little overlap with rangi. but i could try and nag a little |
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magnuse |
and what needs to be done is merge the branch user/dyrcona/better_abstraction into master? |
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Dyrcona |
Yeah. |
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Dyrcona |
I'd probably make a new branch based on that one to make the Koha changes and then merge the new branch. |
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magnuse |
Dyrcona: am i right in thinking that the ncipserver currently only really supports http(s), and that the raw support is really just a placeholder (# place holder code, just echo at the moment)? |
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Dyrcona |
Yes, that is correct. |
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Dyrcona |
I don't think anyone actually does raw NCIP. |
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Dyrcona |
All of the implementations I've ever seen use HTTP(S) as the carrier. |
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magnuse |
ok, thanks |
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magnuse |
just making sure i don't misinterpret something |
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Dyrcona |
No problem. |
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drojf |
hello again :) |
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mveron |
hello drojf :-) |
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drojf |
got more questions about ILL in koha in the webinar. i think it's a deal breaker :/ |
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magnuse |
drojf: have you seen the work ptfs-europe have been doing? |
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magnuse: not sure |
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drojf |
where would i find that? |
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drojf |
magnuse: ah i guess you mean http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ILL_Module |
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drojf |
at the moment i am not sure what to do for ILL germany. it seems to be all based on a proprietary format. it's great when the ILL servers and ILS come from the same vendor ^^ |
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magnuse |
yup, correct wiki page |
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magnuse |
yeah, i don't know how things work in germany |
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magnuse |
cait was part of our ill discussion in marseille, so she probably has some thoughts about it |
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cait |
huh? |
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cait |
my head is not working today |
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magnuse |
cait: what would it take for koha to support german ill, and is the work done by ptfse a step in the right direction |
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magnuse |
i think that was the question... |
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cait |
there is not a general standard i think as it depends how you do ill and with which sevice center you are working |
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magnuse |
awesome! |
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wahanui |
That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, magnuse |
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cait |
i think generally it's looking interesting |
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cait |
but hard to tell how much we could use easily |
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drojf |
cait: my findings are that slnp is standard procedure, proprietary and owned by oclc. and there is some kind of email template if slnp cannot be used. |
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drojf |
i am not sure how the email thingy works but it sounds pretty oldschool and not really like automation |
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cait |
yeah it hink you can't put slnp into koha |
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cait |
it would have to be a plugin or something... probably not public |
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cait |
unless you can get agreement from oclc |
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drojf |
i sent oclc an email asking about documentation and implementation in free software ;) |
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* drojf |
is young and wild |
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drojf |
lol |
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cait |
and? |
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drojf |
no answer yet |
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drojf |
but it was just 2 days ago |
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drojf |
i will ask wildau too. they use sisis sunrise, that's where slnp comes from. it may be possible they are doing some secret stuff about that |
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drojf |
anyway i think it's pretty bad to use a proprietary standard for that :( |
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magnuse |
drojf++ |
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magnuse |
libraries should not use proprietary standards. end of discussion. |
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drojf |
cait: have you done migrations from bibliotheca2000 to koha? |
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cait |
we will, but not yet |
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drojf |
looks like it was never mentioned on the mailing list |
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drojf |
i wonder if i should hand in a talk for bibliothekartag 2016 titled something like "open access, open source, open fernleihe? use an open ILL protocol already" |
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* magnuse |
cheers drojf on |
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drojf |
heh :) |
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throws wine gums into #koha |
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* ashimema |
scrabbles for wine gums |
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cait |
drojf: do you have chocolate too? |
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drojf |
cait: not today. but way too salty potato chips. crisps for the british part of the channel ;) |
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cait |
hm ok |
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* cait |
runs off with the ptoato chips |
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drojf |
hey! :D |
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be careful. they are really salty. meh |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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mtompset |
@seen gmcharlt |
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huginn |
mtompset: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 day, 6 hours, 5 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> slef++ |
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mveron |
Hi again #koha |
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drojf |
hi mveron |
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wahanui |
hi mveron are you ther yet |
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mveron |
hi drojf |
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drojf |
i followupped bug 13826 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13826 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , OPAC: Display RSS icon on list of recent comments |
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drojf |
maybe you want so signoff too |
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drojf |
because i added a slash |
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drojf |
i squashed it together |
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mveron |
Oh, thanks. It was to early in he morning.... |
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* cait |
is still trying to read the meeting minutes |
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cait |
very slow today |
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drojf |
mveron: to test just see if the text after the rss icon is the same size (it was bigger with your patch) |
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mveron |
drojf: Yeah, looks OK now... |
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mtompset |
Greetings, mveron drojf cait. |
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mveron |
Hi mtompset :-) |
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drojf |
hi mtompset |
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* mveron |
...goes back to Bug 13813 ... Still lot stuff to be done... |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13813 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Remove deprecated module C4::Dates from system |
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mtompset |
Anyone have ideas on how to tweak a string into a utf8 one? |
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drojf |
mveron++ # wow you already did a lot of them |
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mveron |
:-) |
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mveron |
drojf: This set is easy to test, because the patches do not depend from each other. |
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mveron |
mtompset: What do you want to do? |
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mtompset |
mveron: I have an XLS spreadsheet. There are some funky characters in it. |
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mtompset |
I am using Spreadsheet::ParseExcel to read it. |
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mtompset |
And then building a MARCXML file. |
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mtompset |
the problem is these characters aren't being read/converted properly. |
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mtompset |
For example. |
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mtompset |
Gazlavay a wuɗndakwar kalah, Yaa sərkakwa mey ŋga Gazlavay = Dieu nous aime beaucoup, Nous apprenons la Parole de Dieu |
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mtompset |
That's what Dumper should show. |
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mtompset |
Gazlavay a wuWndakwar kalah, Yaa sYrkakwa mey Kga Gazlavay = Dieu nous aime beaucoup, Nous apprenons la Parole de Dieu |
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mtompset |
That is what Dumper does show |
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mtompset |
The W, for example, is a CTRL+B and W. |
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mveron |
mtompset: I would try to save from Excel to a csv file and see what happens there. Or open / save it with LibreOffice with various settings. |
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mveron |
Is it just one file or is it a repeating task? |
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* mveron |
does not like Excel very much |
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mtompset |
Not helpful... the CSV loses the information. |
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drojf |
mtompset: http://perldoc.perl.org/Encode.html ? |
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mtompset |
That's only partly helped? |
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mtompset |
I did look there. |
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mtompset |
I got one string working, but not all of them. |
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drojf |
hrm |
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drojf |
encoding is one of the worst problems of our time ;) |
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mtompset |
AMEN to that! |
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mveron |
mtompset: But it displays OK in Excel? |
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mtompset |
Yes. |
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mveron |
Maybe http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]when-saving-files |
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They say that thre is a bug in Excel, workaround is use OpenOffice Calc and then export as CSV file (edit filter settings, choose UTF-8 encoding). |
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mtompset |
I'll try something later. Schedule is demanding I go pick up my wife. |
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mtompset |
Thanks for the ideas at least. |
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mveron |
Welcome :-) |
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mtompset |
Have a great day, #koha mveron drojf cait |
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* magnuse |
waves again |
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mveron |
Hi magnuse |
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magnuse |
hiya mveron |
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mveron |
Good night / daytime #koha |
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magnuse |
rangi: around? |
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rangi |
yup |
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rangi |
morning |
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magnuse |
kia ora! |
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magnuse |
rangi: do you have plans for how to merge the work Dyrcona has done on NCIPserver into master? |
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magnuse |
specifically the user/dyrcona/better_abstraction branch |
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rangi |
its a matter of round tuit |
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rangi |
i have tests in t/ |
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rangi |
they need to be increased |
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rangi |
then merge the changes, and check all the tests still pass, and fix where they dont |
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rangi |
is the basic plan |
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rangi |
its unlikely to happen in the nearish future as i have no funding to do more ncip work |
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magnuse |
i'll send you some tuits when i find mine |
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rangi |
and i have more interesting thigns to do in my free time :) |
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rangi |
yeah that all looks good to me |
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magnuse |
lol |
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rangi |
(the better abstraction) |
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magnuse |
i have had some trouble getting the tests to run, but i probably have to play a bit more with environment variables |
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magnuse |
i need to add some more services, so it would be nice to do that on top of a consolidated project... |
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magnuse |
oh and i found a bug in templates/problem.tt - the nesting of xml elements and tt directives is a little off |
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magnuse |
so at least if there is no processingerror, the output is not well formed xml |
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rangi |
ah yep |
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magnuse |
would you like me to email you patches for things like that, or put the code on gitorious and get pull requests or wuld you rather not be bothered? |
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rangi |
patches would be fine |
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rangi |
i need to set up gitorious.koha-community.org one day |
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rangi |
but that wont be today |
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rangi |
sometime before they turned it off tho |
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magnuse |
or maybe Dyrcona would like to take the lead... |
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magnuse |
turned it off? |
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rangi |
http://thenextweb.com/insider/[…]will-shut-june-1/ |
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magnuse |
ouch |
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rangi |
least its agpvl3 so i can just run my own |
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magnuse |
yay! |
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rangi |
manage if they turned off github |
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rangi |
imagine even |
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rangi |
(they are turning off google code) |
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rangi |
too |
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magnuse |
hehe, yeah, that would not be good... |
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rangi |
http://google-opensource.blogs[…]-google-code.html |
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magnuse |
wow |
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magnuse |
even more people going to github then, probably |
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magnuse |
oh rangi, one more thing about ncip... did you say NCIPServer as it stands today can only act as a server, not a client? |
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rangi |
thats right |
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magnuse |
(not sure those are the correct terms for ncip) |
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magnuse |
hm, i need it to be both |
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magnuse |
that will probably be interesting... |
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rangi |
you want it to initiate ncip requests too? |
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magnuse |
yup |
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rangi |
id do that as a separate project |
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rangi |
they are quite different |
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rangi |
but you might subtree in the NCIP libs |
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rangi |
there are a lot of ncip clients already |
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magnuse |
hm, i'll have to do some more research on that, then |
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rangi |
basically a client just writes xml messages |
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rangi |
and sends them to a server |
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rangi |
and gets another xml message back |
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magnuse |
sounds simple enough - how hard can it be ;-) |
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rangi |
heh |
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rangi |
for koha, id do it with TT |
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magnuse |
yeah, i like that approach |
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eythian |
hi |
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magnus_mobile |
sorry about that, laptop ran out of juice |
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eythian |
@wunder nzwn |
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huginn |
eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 21.0°C (10:30 AM NZDT on March 13, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
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magnus_mobile |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnus_mobile: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 3.0°C (10:00 PM CET on March 12, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Falling). |
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magnus_mobile |
thanks for your input rangi. i better catch some sleep |
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magnus_mobile |
have fun! |
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rangi |
sleep well |
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* rtm |
slaps burdsjm around a bit with a large fishbot |
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rtm |
hello |
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burdsjm |
hello! |
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rtm |
Hi! |
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rtm |
this is an active channel? |
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eythian |
yep |
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burdsjm |
yep |
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eythian |
sometimes, anyway |
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rtm |
you discuss here problems and questions about koha? |
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burdsjm |
it's more of a read this chat and question my choice of profession |
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burdsjm |
channel |
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burdsjm |
absolutely |
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rtm |
ok |
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rtm |
thanks |
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burdsjm |
I do more in the ByWater Support channel |
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rtm |
i will check the channel logs |
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burdsjm |
Who is your provider? |
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rtm |
no |
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burdsjm |
then this is it :) |
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rtm |
i'm just interested in learning about koha |
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rtm |
ok :) |
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burdsjm |
well welcome! |
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wahanui |
Welcome to zombo.com |
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rtm |
thanks |
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eythian |
it does sound that way, yeah |
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eythian |
hmm, I'm losing some messages from the koha list |
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rangi |
getting spam filtered? |
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rangi |
i got all of the recent ones |
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eythian |
one was |
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eythian |
e.g. that 'database error' thread, I'm missing my reply and David's first reply, but got his second. |
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rangi |
hmm i seem to have them all |
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eythian |
weird |
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PabloAB |
Hi |
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eythian |
hi |
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wahanui |
bonjour, eythian |
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PabloAB |
I recently add a new bug report (13829 Syntax highlighter on source code textareas). Just playing around now... |
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eythian |
bug 13829 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13829 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Syntax highlighter on source code textareas |
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eythian |
not a bad idea |
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PabloAB |
I cant find a syspref or easy/elegant way to add a jquery plugin to head html tag... |
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eythian |
I don't know if the head block is user modifiable |
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PabloAB |
befor jumping directly to code |
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PabloAB |
hmm, that's what I'm looking for .Then I can just add CSS and JS code via sysprefs |
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rangi |
nope afaik the head is in an include |
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rangi |
i dont think you can touch it with a syspref |
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PabloAB |
Just for a moment I thought jquery/plugins/jquery.highlight-3.js could help me... maybe this plugin could be replaced for other one that do the full job |
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rangi |
perhaps yep |
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PabloAB |
anyway, thanks a lot for the answer :) |
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