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dcook |
Hmm, I've somehow broke GetOptions... |
| 01:41 |
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dcook |
... |
| 01:42 |
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dcook |
I've copied the file to a different filename... and now it works differently |
| 01:42 |
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dcook |
That's... special |
| 01:42 |
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dcook |
Now it's not.. |
| 01:42 |
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dcook |
:S |
| 01:43 |
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dcook |
Hmm.. |
| 01:44 |
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dcook |
What's the difference between: |
| 01:44 |
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dcook |
"perl tester.pl –-test blah" |
| 01:44 |
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dcook |
and |
| 01:44 |
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dcook |
"perl tester.pl --test blah" |
| 01:44 |
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dcook |
Ah, a dash |
| 01:44 |
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dcook |
Which looked identical in the terminal... |
| 01:45 |
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dcook |
I really thought I was going crazy for a second there... |
| 01:45 |
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eythian |
good ole em-dash |
| 01:45 |
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* dcook |
twitches |
| 01:47 |
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dcook |
Hmm, I think it might be an en dash? |
| 01:47 |
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dcook |
Not quite long enough for em? |
| 01:48 |
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eythian |
yeah, it's an en, I just guessed |
| 01:48 |
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eythian |
― <-- not a puny little en-dash |
| 01:48 |
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dcook |
It really did feel like madness :p |
| 01:49 |
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dcook |
They looked identical on the commandline |
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| 04:11 |
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dcook |
Hmm anyone familiar with "Template process failed: file error - cssinclude: not found at" |
| 04:11 |
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dcook |
I've seen it in a few bugs... like bug 10309 |
| 04:11 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10309 new feature, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap |
| 04:12 |
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dcook |
But it's not quite what I'm encountering.. |
| 04:12 |
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eythian |
yeh |
| 04:12 |
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dcook |
It works fine when I visit in person, but if I use LWP::UserAgent, it creates a 500 error :S |
| 04:12 |
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eythian |
it's because you have a non-en language set in the db, but no language files generated, usually |
| 04:12 |
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eythian |
s/language files/templates/ |
| 04:13 |
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dcook |
Interesting! |
| 04:13 |
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dcook |
Which language setting? |
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eythian |
in the sysprefs |
| 04:58 |
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dcook |
Hmm, not sure which one(s) you mean, but cheers, eythian :) |
| 04:58 |
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dcook |
have to work on DSpace now anyway, so long Koha.. |
| 04:58 |
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eythian |
the ones that set the language |
| 04:59 |
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eythian |
in the i18n section |
| 04:59 |
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eythian |
the place where language is set :) |
| 04:59 |
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dcook |
Ahh. Hmm. I'll check that quickly. |
| 04:59 |
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dcook |
They just say English but.. |
| 05:00 |
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dcook |
Oh my... |
| 05:00 |
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eythian |
if the langauge templates aren't there, then the other options won't show up |
| 05:00 |
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dcook |
"uk-UA,pt-PT,tr-TR,es-ES,da-DK,ru-RU,gl,fr-FR,nb-NO,lo-Laoo,id-ID,sr-Cyrl,tet,ko-Kore-KP,en,fi-FI,de-DE,ur-Arab,nn-NO,am-Ethi,ja-Jpan-JP,bg-Cyrl,mi-NZ,sv-SE,it-IT,he-Hebr,zh-Hans-CN,zh-Hans-TW,hu-HU,fa-Arab,pl-PL,ar-Arab,nl-NL,el-GR" |
| 05:00 |
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eythian |
so setting it to en and saving might be enough |
| 05:01 |
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dcook |
I think you're probably right. I'll give it a whirl. |
| 05:01 |
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dcook |
Hmm.. |
| 05:02 |
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dcook |
Yep |
| 05:02 |
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dcook |
eythian++ |
| 05:02 |
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dcook |
You're the best |
| 05:02 |
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eythian |
we get that a bit when we move a db to staging and don't build the custom translations that a couple of people have. |
| 05:03 |
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dcook |
Is it an error you get on screen or just in the logs? |
| 05:03 |
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dcook |
It seemed all right when I visited with my browser... just not automatically with a LWP |
| 05:03 |
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eythian |
I think both, but I'm not 100% sure |
| 05:04 |
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eythian |
you may have had a cookie in your browser that overrode the language settings |
| 05:04 |
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dcook |
That could do it |
| 05:04 |
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dcook |
I didn't know we did that? |
| 05:04 |
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dcook |
Ahh, that sounds familiar now that I think about it.. |
| 05:05 |
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eythian |
yeah, it's so you can pick languages if there's more than one option |
| 05:07 |
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dcook |
:D |
| 05:07 |
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dcook |
I just realized I didn't say thanks |
| 05:07 |
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dcook |
Thanks for the tip :) |
| 05:08 |
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eythian |
:) |
| 05:12 |
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mtj |
hey dcook, i had a little bit of sql that i have used to fix your problem... |
| 05:12 |
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mtj |
update systempreferences set value = '' where variable = 'opaclanguages'; |
| 05:12 |
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mtj |
update systempreferences set value = '' where variable = 'language'; |
| 05:12 |
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mtj |
. |
| 05:13 |
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mtj |
i think if the values are '', then 'en' lang is used by default |
| 05:13 |
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dcook |
Hmm, interesting! |
| 05:13 |
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dcook |
I just fixed the two I had manually in any case :) |
| 05:13 |
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mtj |
i too, bump into that problem sometimes - when moving a db to a test/dev koha |
| 05:13 |
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dcook |
But thanks |
| 05:14 |
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mtj |
np, just adding my 2c to the irc log :) |
| 05:15 |
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mtj |
i had not hit the problem via lwp::agent tho |
| 05:15 |
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mtj |
not sure if my fix works for that.. ^ |
| 05:16 |
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eythian |
it will, it's the same cause |
| 05:17 |
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mtj |
completely off-topic here folks, anyone have some good suggestions for rooting an andriod fone? |
| 05:18 |
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mtj |
im a newb |
| 05:18 |
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dcook |
Nah, I haven't gotten around to that yet. |
| 05:19 |
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dcook |
Do you just want to root it, or do you plan to flash a ROM as well? |
| 05:19 |
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mtj |
um, atm i just wanna root it |
| 05:20 |
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eythian |
it totally depends on the phone. |
| 05:20 |
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eythian |
the nexus line are very easy to do it with |
| 05:20 |
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eythian |
I have no experience with others |
| 05:20 |
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mtj |
hmm, ok |
| 05:21 |
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mtj |
i should try doing it on an emulator 1st, i guess |
| 05:21 |
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eythian |
I don't think that'll give you the same result, depending on the method |
| 05:21 |
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* mtj |
is a bit nervous about bricking it |
| 05:21 |
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eythian |
at least with the nexus ones, it involves doing it in the bootloader. |
| 05:21 |
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dcook |
Yeah, I only have this phone, so there's no way I'm going to experiment on it ;) |
| 05:22 |
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dcook |
I was going to try rooting and flashing a rom on my old LG Optimus before it got nicked |
| 05:22 |
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dcook |
mtj: what sort of phone? |
| 05:24 |
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mtj |
http://www.elephone.hk/p8.html |
| 05:24 |
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mtj |
such wow.. ^ |
| 05:28 |
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mtj |
i think the elephones are quite root friendly |
| 05:28 |
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eythian |
OK, elasticsearch query language is annoying me now. Time to give it a break until tomorrow. |
| 05:28 |
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eythian |
later |
| 05:28 |
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mtj |
cya eythian |
| 05:29 |
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dcook |
ta eythian |
| 05:29 |
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mtj |
i'll have a proper readup on the elephone forums, re: rooting |
| 05:29 |
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dcook |
You have an elephone? |
| 05:31 |
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mtj |
yeah |
| 05:32 |
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mtj |
my 1st smartfone.. so far, so good |
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dcook |
:D |
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|
* Francesca |
waves hello |
| 06:33 |
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dcook |
hey Francesca |
| 06:33 |
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Francesca |
I've probably missed rangi haven't I |
| 06:33 |
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dcook |
Probably. I haven't seen him around today. |
| 06:33 |
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dcook |
Online that is |
| 06:34 |
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dcook |
Looks like he was here at 7:42am :) |
| 06:34 |
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dcook |
Although I guess that was 5:42am for you...dang that's early |
| 06:34 |
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ashimema |
. |
| 06:34 |
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ashimema |
@seen rangi |
| 06:34 |
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huginn |
ashimema: rangi was last seen in #koha 9 hours, 52 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <rangi> morning |
| 06:35 |
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ashimema |
morning peeps |
| 06:35 |
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dcook |
yo ashimema |
| 06:40 |
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Francesca |
hmmm I'll try and catch him tomorrow |
| 06:41 |
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dcook |
sounds good |
| 06:41 |
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dcook |
I'm off! |
| 06:41 |
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dcook |
later all |
| 07:03 |
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* magnuse |
waves |
| 07:03 |
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magnuse |
hiya ashimema |
| 07:04 |
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ashimema |
morning magnuse |
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magnuse |
wassup? |
| 07:05 |
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magnuse |
isn't it 07 for you? |
| 07:06 |
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ashimema |
indeed it is.. |
| 07:06 |
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ashimema |
been around since 5 |
| 07:06 |
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ashimema |
Amelia decided it was time for me to get up ;) |
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magnuse |
ah yes |
| 07:07 |
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magnuse |
there's a new boss in town |
| 07:07 |
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magnuse |
;-) |
| 07:07 |
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ashimema |
indeed ;) |
| 07:10 |
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magnuse |
don't worry - in 18 years everything will be back to normal again |
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drojf |
morning #koha |
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magnuse |
moin drojf |
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drojf |
hei magnuse |
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magnuse |
ah, irc meeting in ~2.5 hours http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing_11_March_2015 |
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ashimema |
hope I can stay awake ;) |
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* magnuse |
sends ashimema some coffe |
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* drojf |
tries to intercept some of the coffee but is too tired |
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reiveune |
hello |
| 07:49 |
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magnuse |
bonojur reiveune |
| 07:49 |
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reiveune |
salut ma |
| 07:49 |
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reiveune |
:/ |
| 07:49 |
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* magnuse |
is luckily not a coffee-drinker |
| 07:49 |
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reiveune |
salut magnuse |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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Joubu |
hello #koha |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
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magnuse |
hiya Joubu alex_a newbie |
| 07:54 |
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alex_a |
hello magnuse |
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akafred |
I am thinking about an automated build pipeline for patched koha, but cannot wrap my head around how it can be done without bug 13068 ... |
| 08:08 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13068 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Signed Off , New feature for DB update and sandbox |
| 08:16 |
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akafred |
Am I right that this bug solves the major issue with applying patches 'unattended'? |
| 08:17 |
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drojf |
akafred: i guess so |
| 08:21 |
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magnuse |
well, without it you have to make sure you have the right database updates in updatedatabase.pl - which means you might have to resolve conflicts when you apply patches to the branch you want to run from |
| 08:21 |
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magnuse |
as far as i understand it, 13068 will make this easier by putting db updates in individual files, which means no more conflicts |
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akafred |
But, will I still have to have a way to know which of these updates have been applied to my database? |
| 08:22 |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
| 08:22 |
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magnuse |
but if you want to pick and choose patches to apply to your branch, you will still have to look out for dependencies, so if one patch modifies something introduced by another patch you need them both |
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* akafred |
notes that 'list', 'list <plugin>' and 'help <plugin> <command>' were really helpful when learning more about the capabilities of our resident raven |
| 08:27 |
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magnuse |
akafred: i think 13068 will make koha keep track of some things for you, but i am not clear on what or how |
| 08:30 |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
| 08:30 |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (9:20 AM CET on March 11, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:30 |
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akafred |
good morning, gaetan_B :-) |
| 08:31 |
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gaetan_B |
good morning akafred :) nice weather back home ? |
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akafred |
Actually blue skies today, but a but a bit windy and only 4°C ... |
| 08:33 |
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magnuse |
@wunder oslo |
| 08:33 |
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huginn |
magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:34 |
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magnuse |
@wunder oslo, norway |
| 08:34 |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Kikut, Oslo, Norway is 3.7°C (9:21 AM CET on March 11, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:34 |
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magnuse |
kikut - that is kind of hilarious |
| 08:34 |
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magnuse |
@wunder osl |
| 08:34 |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Oslo Airport, Norway is 4.0°C (9:20 AM CET on March 11, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:34 |
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akafred |
Almost like mont puget outside Marseille. |
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magnuse |
@wunder storgata, oslo, norway |
| 08:46 |
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huginn |
magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:46 |
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magnuse |
@wunder storgata, oslo, |
| 08:46 |
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huginn |
magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:46 |
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magnuse |
@wunder storgata, oslo |
| 08:46 |
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huginn |
magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:46 |
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magnuse |
@wunder storgata |
| 08:46 |
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huginn |
magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:47 |
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magnuse |
@wunder IOSLO239 |
| 08:47 |
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huginn |
magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:47 |
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magnuse |
bleurgh |
| 08:59 |
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fridolin |
hie all |
| 09:00 |
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magnuse |
bonjour fridolin |
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| 09:03 |
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mtj |
hey magnus, i have a general qa question... |
| 09:04 |
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mtj |
is there much of a problem, submitting new features that use C4/non-dbic code? |
| 09:04 |
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nlegrand |
Hey #koha. |
| 09:04 |
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m23 |
hi |
| 09:04 |
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mtj |
..any qa-ers have an opinion, on that? ^ |
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magnuse |
mtj: that sounds like a question for the qa team and the rm. i am merely a lowly bugwrangler |
| 09:05 |
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magnuse |
kia ora eythian |
| 09:06 |
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mtj |
magnuse: aah, oops... i forgot |
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| 09:07 |
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mtj |
Joubu, ashimema maybe.. ? ^ |
| 09:08 |
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ashimema |
it kinda depends on the feature and where you've put the majority of the code |
| 09:09 |
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ashimema |
completely new features we'd 'prefer' in the Koha namespace with minimal refrences back to C4 and DBIC used (Though DBIC used may well be shifting to Koha::Objects used if people get their way) |
| 09:09 |
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ashimema |
Personally.. if it make sense to be object oriented, I like it done that way too ;) |
| 09:10 |
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| 09:10 |
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atheia |
Good morning. |
| 09:10 |
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ashimema |
But.. if it's a new feature very closely related to existing ones.. then it's obviosly sensible to use allot of the work already done, and thus we'd expect a fair amount of linkage backto C4 |
| 09:11 |
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ashimema |
morning atheia |
| 09:12 |
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magnuse |
hiya atheia |
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eythian_ |
Meeting in 30 mins right? |
| 09:34 |
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magnuse |
yup |
| 09:34 |
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magnuse |
as far as i have been able to figure out |
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eythian_ |
Cool. I should put the rubbish/recycling out first. |
| 09:37 |
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drojf |
take mine too |
| 09:37 |
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drojf |
;) |
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eythian_ |
drojf: I have enough stairs to get my own to the street without having to get it across a couple of oceans too. |
| 09:38 |
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mveron |
Hi #koha |
| 09:38 |
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drojf |
heh |
| 09:38 |
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drojf |
hi mveron |
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mveron |
hi drojf |
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magnuse |
kia ora joann |
| 09:43 |
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joann |
Kiaora Magnus - and everyone else too |
| 09:43 |
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drojf |
hi joann |
| 09:45 |
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magnuse |
what do we do about pull requests on github? https://github.com/Koha-Community/Koha/pull/4 |
| 09:45 |
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joann |
how are we all this evening? |
| 09:45 |
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magnuse |
evening? ;-) |
| 09:45 |
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mveron |
Late morning ? :-) |
| 09:45 |
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mveron |
Daytime? |
| 09:45 |
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joann |
10.35pm here - im just about ready for bed :) |
| 09:46 |
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magnuse |
10.45 am here - im just about ready for bed too :-) |
| 09:46 |
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* mveron |
agrees... |
| 09:46 |
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eythian_ |
magnuse: whoever runs that should disable pull requests |
| 09:46 |
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drojf |
magnuse: i did not even know there is an official github. also… why? :D |
| 09:47 |
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magnuse |
hm, is it mtj? |
| 09:47 |
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mtj |
hey magnuse |
| 09:49 |
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mtj |
hmm, i thought i did disable pull-requests on that repo |
| 09:49 |
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mtj |
ahh, perhaps it is not possible..? |
| 09:49 |
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mtj |
http://laurent.bachelier.name/[…]thub-kinda-sucks/ |
| 09:50 |
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drojf |
ready for bed too. we should all have the meeting in bed. sleepover meeting |
| 09:52 |
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mtj |
magnuse: we could have a generic reply to pull-requests.. |
| 09:53 |
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mtj |
"thanks for your info, please consider logging a bug at bugs.kc.org... this repo is just a mirror" |
| 09:53 |
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magnuse |
mtj: yup, that would be nice |
| 09:54 |
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mtj |
..and add that info to the repo description, too |
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magnuse |
and maybe point to http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git or http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_bz_configuration ? |
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magnuse |
mtj: or http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]elopment_workflow |
| 09:57 |
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mtj |
all good ideas++ |
| 09:57 |
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* eythian_ |
tests his tablet keyboard |
| 09:57 |
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drojf |
eythian_: works |
| 09:57 |
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eythian_ |
ok, aside from being way small, not too bad. |
| 09:58 |
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drojf |
that's good, you've already taken out the trash |
| 09:58 |
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Teejay |
###teejay |
| 09:59 |
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eythian_ |
yep:) |
| 09:59 |
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magnuse |
who's chair? |
| 10:01 |
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Teejay |
#info Tunji Adepeju of Projektlink Konsult Limited Nigeria |
| 10:01 |
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davidnind |
deadly silence.... |
| 10:01 |
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slef |
I offer |
| 10:01 |
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davidnind |
slef++ |
| 10:02 |
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magnuse |
slef++ |
| 10:02 |
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slef |
you've got the time it takes me to find the agenda to object |
| 10:02 |
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magnuse |
Teejay: a bit too early :-) |
| 10:02 |
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magnuse |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing_11_March_2015 |
| 10:02 |
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drojf |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing_11_March_2015 |
| 10:02 |
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magnuse |
hah! |
| 10:02 |
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magnuse |
:-) |
| 10:02 |
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drojf |
:) |
| 10:02 |
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* eythian_ |
doesn't object |
| 10:02 |
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slef |
#startmeeting General_IRC_meeting_11_March_2015 |
| 10:02 |
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huginn |
Meeting started Wed Mar 11 10:02:37 2015 UTC. The chair is slef. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 10:02 |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 10:02 |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General_IRC_meeting_11_March_2015) |
| 10:02 |
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huginn |
The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_11_march_2015' |
| 10:02 |
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slef |
#topic 1. Introductions |
| 10:02 |
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Topic for #koha is now 1. Introductions (Meeting topic: General_IRC_meeting_11_March_2015) |
| 10:03 |
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slef |
Hello, good time-zone-appropriate-greeting and welcome |
| 10:03 |
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slef |
please introduce yourself and please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes |
| 10:03 |
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eythian_ |
#info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, Wellington NZ |
| 10:03 |
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joann |
#info Joann Ransom, Horowhenua, NZ |
| 10:03 |
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Joubu |
#info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre |
| 10:03 |
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davidnind |
#info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand |
| 10:03 |
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drojf |
#info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany |
| 10:03 |
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oadara |
#info Olugbenga Adara Projektlink Konsult, Ibadan, Nigeria |
| 10:03 |
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slef |
#info MJ Ray, member of software.coop, England |
| 10:03 |
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magnuse |
#info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 10:03 |
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matts |
#info Matthias Meusburger, biblibre, France |
| 10:04 |
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thd |
Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City, (finally warm enough to recover from freezing illness) |
| 10:04 |
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Teejay |
#info Tunji Adepeju Projektlink Konsult , Ibadan, Nigeria |
| 10:04 |
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josef_moravec |
#info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library, Ústà nad OrlicÃ, Czech Republic |
| 10:04 |
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mveron |
#info Marc Véron, marc veron ag, member of Koha Support Schweiz, Switzerland |
| 10:04 |
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slef |
ok - introductions can be added any time as people arrive but I'll move on in a minute |
| 10:04 |
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oadara |
Magnuse: First time at meeting for Teejay :) |
| 10:05 |
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eythian_ |
welcome, Teejay |
| 10:05 |
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slef |
I see I defeated wahanui by accident... actually, where is wahanui? |
| 10:05 |
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mtj |
#info Mason James, NZ |
| 10:05 |
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akafred |
#info Kjetil JD / akafred, Oslo Public Library, Norway |
| 10:05 |
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m23 |
#info Michal Denar, Municipal Library, Ceska Trebova, Czech Republic |
| 10:05 |
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slef |
#topic 2. Announcements (non-release) |
| 10:05 |
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Topic for #koha is now 2. Announcements (non-release) (Meeting topic: General_IRC_meeting_11_March_2015) |
| 10:06 |
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slef |
Do we have any? None on the agenda... |
| 10:06 |
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magnuse |
welcome Teejay! :-) |
| 10:06 |
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ashimema |
#info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
| 10:07 |
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slef |
house-keeping note - if you want to make me wait a minute so you can say something, enter something short like ! on a line by itself first - I can't tell if you're typing otherwise |
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slef |
shall we move on? |
| 10:07 |
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thd |
! |
| 10:07 |
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thd |
yes |
| 10:07 |
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thd |
:) |
| 10:07 |
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slef |
heh |
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| 10:08 |
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slef |
#topic 3. Update on releases |
| 10:08 |
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Topic for #koha is now 3. Update on releases (Meeting topic: General_IRC_meeting_11_March_2015) |
| 10:08 |
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bensinober |
#info Benjamin Rokseth, Oslo Public Library |
| 10:08 |
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slef |
who can do these? |
| 10:09 |
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eythian_ |
wahanui: welcome back |
| 10:09 |
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wahanui |
I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike. |
| 10:09 |
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slef |
no release mamanegrs |
| 10:10 |
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slef |
#info 3.18.4 was released on 23 Feb |
| 10:10 |
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slef |
#info 3.16.8 was released on 3 Mar |
| 10:10 |
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atheia |
#info Alex Sassmannshausen, PTFS Europe, UK |
| 10:10 |
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atheia |
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magnuse |
poor wahanui |
| 10:10 |
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wahanui |
Will he ever win? |
| 10:10 |
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eythian_ |
mtj: ^ |
| 10:10 |
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slef |
#info 3.18.4 was a security fix release |
| 10:11 |
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slef |
#info http://koha-community.org/ai1e[…]/?instance_id=101 suggests a new stable release on 22nd |
| 10:11 |
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slef |
anyone got news on that? Will it include the security fix from 3.18.4 or was that 3.18-only? |
| 10:12 |
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* slef |
digs |
| 10:12 |
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mtj |
hmm, no security patches for 3.16.8, afaik |
| 10:12 |
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slef |
3.14 and 3.16 need the fix |
| 10:13 |
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slef |
any volunteers to backport? |
| 10:13 |
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magnuse |
bug 12594 |
| 10:13 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12594 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Get rid of z3950random |
| 10:13 |
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slef |
bug 12954 |
| 10:13 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12954 is not accessible. |
| 10:13 |
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slef |
but you can't display it like that |
| 10:13 |
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slef |
until the fix is backported at least |
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| 10:14 |
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magnuse |
ah, typo on http://koha-community.org/koha-3-18-4-released/ then |
| 10:14 |
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slef |
not my rule but that's how it is |
| 10:14 |
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slef |
magnuse: good spot. Link is correct though. |
| 10:14 |
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magnuse |
it says 12594 but links to http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12954 |
| 10:14 |
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huginn |
Bug 12954: is not accessible. |
| 10:14 |
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slef |
anyone got a web login handy to fix that? |
| 10:14 |
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eythian_ |
yeah, that's a nasty one that should be fixed |
| 10:15 |
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eythian_ |
slef: i do, what do I need to do? |
| 10:15 |
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eythian_ |
oh |
| 10:15 |
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eythian_ |
sorry, not to that |
| 10:15 |
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Joubu |
slef: do you want me to switch the bug from Koha security to Koha? |
| 10:15 |
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slef |
Joubu: not until backported no |
| 10:15 |
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eythian_ |
Joubu: it's still an active issue |
| 10:15 |
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mtj |
hmm, i think i need to backport that one, still |
| 10:15 |
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magnuse |
@later tell rangi http://koha-community.org/koha-3-18-4-released/ says bug number 12594 for the security fix, but links to 12954 |
| 10:15 |
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huginn |
magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:15 |
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slef |
I'd like someone to fix the typo on http://koha-community.org/koha-3-18-4-released/ |
| 10:16 |
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slef |
mtj: one of us backport, the other reviews the patch? |
| 10:16 |
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slef |
I think I will make the time to work on this too |
| 10:17 |
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slef |
#action someone to fix typo on http://koha-community.org/koha-3-18-4-released/ |
| 10:17 |
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mtj |
slef: sounds good |
| 10:17 |
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slef |
#action mtj and slef to backport bug 12954 if no-one does it faster |
| 10:18 |
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slef |
OK - any more release updates or shall we move on? |
| 10:18 |
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mtj |
afaik, thats it for me slef |
| 10:19 |
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slef |
#topic 4. KohaCon15 |
| 10:19 |
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drojf |
does not seem like other release managers/maintainers are around |
| 10:19 |
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Topic for #koha is now 4. KohaCon15 (Meeting topic: General_IRC_meeting_11_March_2015) |
| 10:19 |
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slef |
As an aside, it would be really helpful if there were nicknames on the agenda items. |
| 10:19 |
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Joubu |
fridolin is busy at the moment, I asked him to backport the bug fix |
| 10:19 |
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BobB |
#info Bob Birchall, Calyx - sorry I'm late |
| 10:19 |
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slef |
Anyone got news about kohacon15? |
| 10:20 |
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slef |
no worries BobB. Hi. Introductions are good at any point in the meeting IMO. |
| 10:20 |
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oadara |
Yes. First thanks for welcoming Teejay |
| 10:20 |
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drojf |
slef: how do you mean? like who is supposed to tell something? |
| 10:20 |
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drojf |
hi Teejay :) |
| 10:20 |
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slef |
drojf: yes, that sort of thing, or who wants a question asked |
| 10:20 |
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Teejay |
#thank you |
| 10:20 |
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oadara |
Kohacon15 registration now open |
| 10:21 |
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slef |
#info Kohacon15 registration and Call for Papers are now open |
| 10:21 |
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slef |
#link http://kohacon15.projektlinkko[…]com/registration/ |
| 10:21 |
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slef |
#link http://kohacon15.projektlinkko[…]/call-for-papers/ |
| 10:21 |
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slef |
oadara: for how long are they open? |
| 10:21 |
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ColinC |
#info Colin Campbell PTFS Europe |
| 10:21 |
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kivilahtio |
#info Olli-Antti Kivilahti, Vaara-kirjastot Finland |
| 10:22 |
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oadara |
Not decided on that yet |
| 10:22 |
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oadara |
open to suggestions |
| 10:22 |
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slef |
Any suggestions? |
| 10:22 |
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wahanui |
Any suggestions are welcome. |
| 10:22 |
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oadara |
Have 4 people register so far |
| 10:23 |
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| 10:23 |
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slef |
I think we kept kohacon12 registration open until workers left their desks the Friday before the event. I don't know if that's possible with the prepayment for meals/rooms? |
| 10:24 |
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slef |
We closed papers 20 April for a start date of 5 June... so what's that? 6 weeks before? |
| 10:24 |
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Teejay |
AUGUST 31 was given by IITA venue and accommodation |
| 10:24 |
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oadara |
slef : That would not be possible but we can look at how close we can get to the date |
| 10:26 |
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oadara |
International participants would need visa processed too so the earlier the registration, the better |
| 10:26 |
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slef |
If it's 31 Aug, could that be the deadline for both papers and registration? Anyway, I will note it as an idea and leave it to you of course |
| 10:26 |
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slef |
#idea deadline for both papers and registration as close to 31 Aug as possible |
| 10:26 |
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slef |
#info International participants would need visa processed too so the earlier the registration, the better |
| 10:27 |
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slef |
That was the same for international participants in kohacon12 too - last successful registration needing a visa was about 25th April IIRC. |
| 10:27 |
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slef |
Any other news or shall we move on? |
| 10:27 |
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oadara |
slef : noted |
| 10:27 |
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akafred |
visa requirement and procedure could be included on registration page ... |
| 10:27 |
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Teejay |
Thank you all |
| 10:28 |
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drojf |
oadara or Teejay: are there food options for people with allergies? like lactose or gluten free |
| 10:28 |
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Teejay |
Yes |
| 10:28 |
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slef |
#idea please could visa requirement and procedure be linked from http://kohacon15.projektlinkko[…]com/registration/ |
| 10:28 |
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slef |
http://kohacon15.projektlinkko[…]egistration-form/ has a link - oops |
| 10:28 |
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Teejay |
But we need to notify the IaiTA in advance |
| 10:28 |
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slef |
but I think it would be good to show it on the first page |
| 10:28 |
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slef |
it's a big problem for people who need visas |
| 10:29 |
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oadara |
all ideas noted for action |
| 10:30 |
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oadara |
processing the visa itself should not be difficult |
| 10:30 |
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slef |
#idea add information about how best to notify organisers/IaiTA in advance about special requirements (allergies or similar) |
| 10:30 |
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oadara |
but we will need to write letters for the visa application hence need to start the process early |
| 10:31 |
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slef |
oadara: is a tourist visa OK because delegates are not being employed locally, or should it be a business visa? |
| 10:31 |
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oadara |
tourist is ok |
| 10:32 |
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drojf |
business visa are only for business men |
| 10:32 |
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eythian_ |
some places have conference visas |
| 10:32 |
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slef |
drojf: most places that is so, but I think a few are different. |
| 10:32 |
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eythian_ |
(I had to get one for India) |
| 10:32 |
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oadara |
drojf : :-) |
| 10:32 |
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drojf |
slef: i meant it's not for women ;) |
| 10:33 |
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slef |
#info oadara says tourist visa is OK |
| 10:33 |
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* slef |
blames oadara ;) |
| 10:33 |
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slef |
drojf: ohhhh stop it |
| 10:33 |
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slef |
anything else or shall we move on? |
| 10:33 |
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drojf |
slef: its what the website says |
| 10:33 |
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* slef |
hands that can of worms back to drojf |
| 10:35 |
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slef |
#topic 5. KohaCon16 - when do we start soliciting for bids? |
| 10:35 |
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Topic for #koha is now 5. KohaCon16 - when do we start soliciting for bids? (Meeting topic: General_IRC_meeting_11_March_2015) |
| 10:35 |
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slef |
#info We started KohaCon15 process in May 2014 |
| 10:36 |
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slef |
It looks like thd did some of the kick-off work. Any opinions on when we should start for next year? |
| 10:36 |
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joann |
did the timing work last time? |
| 10:37 |
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thd |
The real work was encouraging people to bid. |
| 10:37 |
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slef |
I don't remember if the timing worked. Does anyone? |
| 10:37 |
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thd |
Especially, people who may have bid in the past but were not selected. |
| 10:38 |
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thd |
The timing was only problematic too the extent that there may not have been the degree of interest in bidding to host KohaCon as had been the case in the past. |
| 10:39 |
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thd |
s/too/to/ |
| 10:39 |
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slef |
So should we change the timing this year or go with similar again? |
| 10:39 |
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thd |
Maybe we could start a month earlier. |
| 10:39 |
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drojf |
i see that we have voted end of september, beginning of october a few times. so starting bid in may makes sense to me |
| 10:40 |
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drojf |
but it does not hurt to start sooner i guess |
| 10:40 |
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thd |
Maybe we could start a month earlier for soliciting bids. |
| 10:40 |
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joann |
do you want e to move that? |
| 10:40 |
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joann |
or just +1 |
| 10:40 |
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thd |
Voting in September seems OK. |
| 10:41 |
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slef |
#startvote Shall we solicit Kohacon16 bids in April, with voting in September? |
| 10:41 |
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huginn |
Begin voting on: Shall we solicit Kohacon16 bids in April, with voting in September? Valid vote options are Yes, No. |
| 10:41 |
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huginn |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 10:41 |
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drojf |
yep, about a year to prepare after winning (depending on actual dates proposed) |
| 10:41 |
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thd |
+1 |
| 10:41 |
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eythian_ |
#vote Yes |
| 10:41 |
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joann |
#vote Yes |
| 10:41 |
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drojf |
#vote yes |
| 10:41 |
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thd |
#vote yes |
| 10:41 |
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slef |
it appears huginn requires #vote Yes - we could hack that, you know ;) |
| 10:41 |
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BobB |
#vote yes |
| 10:41 |
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oadara |
#vote yes |
| 10:41 |
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davidnind |
#vote Yes |
| 10:42 |
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m23 |
#vote yes |
| 10:42 |
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mveron |
#vote yes |
| 10:42 |
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josef_moravec |
#vote Yes |
| 10:42 |
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Teejay |
#vote yes |
| 10:42 |
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ColinC |
#vote Yes |
| 10:42 |
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magnuse |
#vote yes |
| 10:43 |
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slef |
#endvote |
| 10:43 |
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huginn |
Voted on "Shall we solicit Kohacon16 bids in April, with voting in September?" Results are |
| 10:43 |
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* slef |
glares at huginn |
| 10:43 |
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slef |
#agreed solicit Kohacon16 bids in April, with voting in September |
| 10:43 |
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drojf |
results are… ? |
| 10:43 |
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slef |
If anyone knows what broke there, please tell someone who can fix huginn ;) |
| 10:43 |
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drojf |
:D |
| 10:43 |
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eythian_ |
@more |
| 10:43 |
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huginn |
eythian_: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick. |
| 10:44 |
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slef |
#topic 6. Release team for 3.22 - when do we hold the elections? |
| 10:44 |
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Topic for #koha is now 6. Release team for 3.22 - when do we hold the elections? (Meeting topic: General_IRC_meeting_11_March_2015) |
| 10:44 |
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drojf |
i count 13 yes and 0 no |
| 10:44 |
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slef |
drojf: I only saw yes, so I #agreed it |
| 10:44 |
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drojf |
makes sense |
| 10:44 |
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drojf |
:) |
| 10:44 |
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slef |
Opinions on release team election timing? What was done recently and did it work? |
| 10:45 |
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slef |
#info 3.20 elections were in November 2014 |
| 10:45 |
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drojf |
when is 3.20 to be released? april? may? |
| 10:45 |
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slef |
#info 3.18 elections were in April 2014 |
| 10:45 |
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davidnind |
For the last two releases the elections were held in the month before the new release, or just before the release |
| 10:45 |
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magnuse |
may i think? |
| 10:46 |
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magnuse |
if tcohen sticks to tradition |
| 10:46 |
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drojf |
april would be to soon to get a new team ;) |
| 10:46 |
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slef |
So we'd be expecting elections next month? |
| 10:47 |
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slef |
27 October 2014 wiki nominations opened for 3.20 |
| 10:47 |
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slef |
17 March 2014 wiki nominations opened for 3.18 |
| 10:47 |
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slef |
drojf: why? |
| 10:48 |
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BobB |
magnuse: are you suggesting an April vote for a team to take its place from 22 May, the release date? |
| 10:48 |
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* thd |
forgot info on his introduction |
| 10:48 |
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thd |
#info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City, (finally warm enough to recover from freezing illness) |
| 10:48 |
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drojf |
slef: i mean a release in april would be early, because we should have a team for 3.22 at that point i suppose |
| 10:48 |
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drojf |
voting in april seems fine to me |
| 10:49 |
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davidnind |
Would suggest nominations open two months before, with the election held at the general IRC meeting in the month of the new release |
| 10:49 |
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BobB |
So nominations can be opened pretty much now? |
| 10:49 |
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magnuse |
BobB: sounds good to me |
| 10:49 |
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slef |
#startvote Open nominations immediately with voting in...? April, May |
| 10:49 |
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huginn |
Begin voting on: Open nominations immediately with voting in...? Valid vote options are April, May. |
| 10:49 |
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huginn |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 10:49 |
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* slef |
tries huginn again |
| 10:49 |
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eythian_ |
#vote April |
| 10:50 |
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m23 |
#vote April |
| 10:50 |
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davidnind |
#vote May |
| 10:50 |
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Joubu |
#vote April |
| 10:50 |
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drojf |
#vote May |
| 10:50 |
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akafred |
#vote May |
| 10:50 |
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BobB |
#vote April |
| 10:50 |
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joann |
#vote May |
| 10:50 |
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magnuse |
#vote May |
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matts |
#vote April |
| 10:50 |
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thd |
#vote May |
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mveron |
#vote May |
| 10:51 |
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slef |
#showvote |
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huginn |
May (7): magnuse, davidnind, joann, akafred, mveron, thd, drojf |
| 10:51 |
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huginn |
April (5): Joubu, eythian_, matts, BobB, m23 |
| 10:51 |
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drojf |
may 7, april 5. so far. i think |
| 10:51 |
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drojf |
heh |
| 10:51 |
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slef |
Would anyone like to explain their reason for one over the other? |
| 10:51 |
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thd |
If we had put the question a month ago I might have cast my vote differently. |
| 10:52 |
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BobB |
a reason for April is sometimes not all roles are filled at time of voting, and it leaves time to hunt up a voluteer |
| 10:52 |
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Joubu |
I propose midnight UTC on May 1 :) |
| 10:52 |
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slef |
see if we can persuade anyone to change which lobby they're in |
| 10:52 |
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BobB |
joubu +1 |
| 10:52 |
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drojf |
i voted may so i have more tie so see if i will volunteer for something |
| 10:52 |
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joann |
April is so soon. I think it is a big commitment to stand for release manager and it is helpful to see a deveopment proposal. |
| 10:52 |
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thd |
I am changing by the argument from BobB |
| 10:52 |
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magnuse |
i was thinking it is good to have a couple of months to find volunteers |
| 10:52 |
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thd |
#vote April |
| 10:53 |
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drojf |
*more time |
| 10:53 |
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thd |
Which really means voting in April and May |
| 10:53 |
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* magnuse |
agrees with joann |
| 10:53 |
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eythian_ |
joann makes a good point |
| 10:53 |
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thd |
Basically we have voted over two months for a while as I recall. |
| 10:53 |
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* mveron |
agrees with joann as well |
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* BobB |
agrees April is soon |
| 10:54 |
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davidnind |
If you go for April then that is about a month for nominations, with the elections at the April general IRC meeting - too soon |
| 10:54 |
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BobB |
Christmas is soon too :) |
| 10:54 |
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thd |
BobB are you changing your argument? |
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slef |
So I think I'm hearing a vote for desired/contested positions in April, with any vacancies filled by further encouragement with another vote in May? |
| 10:54 |
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BobB |
yes ok |
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joann |
should we recast the vote |
| 10:54 |
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BobB |
#vote May |
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thd |
#vote May |
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slef |
you can recast your votes at any time until I say endvote |
| 10:55 |
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drojf |
so did everyone change their vote now? ^^ |
| 10:55 |
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joann |
#vote may |
| 10:55 |
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slef |
#showvote |
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huginn |
May (8): magnuse, davidnind, joann, akafred, BobB, mveron, thd, drojf |
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huginn |
April (4): Joubu, matts, m23, eythian_ |
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eythian_ |
#vote May |
| 10:55 |
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m23 |
#vote May |
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josef_moravec |
#vote May |
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slef |
OK my hearing is poor :) |
| 10:55 |
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slef |
in the time it took me to type, discussion moved on |
| 10:56 |
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davidnind |
Creating roles for 3.22 page now |
| 10:56 |
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slef |
Would Joubu or matts like to argue for April more? |
| 10:56 |
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slef |
davidnind++ |
| 10:56 |
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Joubu |
slef: actually I don't care :) |
| 10:57 |
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Joubu |
I am fine with May |
| 10:57 |
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slef |
ok... I'm about to close the vote |
| 10:57 |
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matts |
okay for me as well |
| 10:57 |
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thd |
Joubu abstains :) |
| 10:57 |
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slef |
#endvote |
| 10:57 |
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huginn |
Voted on "Open nominations immediately with voting in...?" Results are |
| 10:57 |
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huginn |
May (11): magnuse, davidnind, joann, josef_moravec, akafred, BobB, eythian_, mveron, thd, drojf, m23 |
| 10:57 |
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huginn |
April (2): Joubu, matts |
| 10:57 |
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slef |
shall we move on? |
| 10:57 |
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slef |
#topic 7. A fund for Koha development |
| 10:57 |
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Topic for #koha is now 7. A fund for Koha development (Meeting topic: General_IRC_meeting_11_March_2015) |
| 10:58 |
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slef |
joann or BobB would you like to introduce this? |
| 10:58 |
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joann |
sure |
| 10:58 |
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slef |
#link http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]March/042249.html |
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slef |
#link http://kete.library.org.nz/sit[…]mou-for-koha-fund |
| 10:58 |
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eythian_ |
the sneaky conspirators |
| 10:58 |
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BobB |
#info the idea is to have a Fund that can receive donations to fund Koha development |
| 10:59 |
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joann |
at KohaCon the proposal was discussed that it would be cool if there was a way / mechanism for donations to fund koha development |
| 10:59 |
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BobB |
#info THT have very kindly agreed to host the Fund |
| 10:59 |
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BobB |
#info and the draft MOU describes at a high level how it will work |
| 10:59 |
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joann |
horowhenua trust dont want to interfere too much |
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joann |
so the grant comittee and fundraising committee would be driven by the koha commnity |
| 11:00 |
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BobB |
So the onus is on the community to have a Fundraising Committee (or group, or even an agenda item at these meetings) to make this work |
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BobB |
with admin support from THT |
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joann |
lots of work to be done stil on the grants committee etc, but the proposed mou would allow a mechanism to get us started |
| 11:01 |
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joann |
start collecting donations |
| 11:01 |
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joann |
a couple of vendors have already indicated they want to contribute |
| 11:01 |
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BobB |
any questions? |
| 11:01 |
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magnuse |
sounds good to me |
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davidnind |
sounds good to me too |
| 11:02 |
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akafred |
One question |
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wahanui |
One question is whether anybody cares to make a committment to revise the schema to match |
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BobB |
relevant as usual, wahanui |
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wahanui |
BobB: i'm not following you... |
| 11:03 |
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akafred |
The grants committee ... shouldn't it have some appointments for the community as a whole to decide? |
| 11:03 |
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joann |
absolutely. |
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BobB |
akafred that is very open at the moment |
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joann |
the community would take recomendations to THT trustees to appoit |
| 11:03 |
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BobB |
the idea though is for grants committee members to come (mostly, at least) from the community, not from the Trust |
| 11:04 |
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joann |
trustees have no desire to dominate or dictate but to enable |
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BobB |
but it is accountable to the Trust, who need advice before distributing hte money |
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BobB |
So what I expect is: community decides who goes on teh committee |
| 11:04 |
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joann |
i see it that the community wil work out the bylaws for the grants committee - which tht adopt |
| 11:05 |
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BobB |
Fundraising committee makes a recommendation to THT finance committee |
| 11:05 |
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BobB |
who then appoints the grants committee |
| 11:05 |
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joann |
and trust might like 1 person on it - but possibly not too |
| 11:05 |
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slef |
Just a note: I feel it's a bit unclear for the grants subcommittee to not be a subset of the finance committee - I could be wrong but I think practice on that varies between places and we'd usually call a delegated body with members that are not members of the delegating body a "working group" or similar - but I bow to HLT's knowledge of its own governing law of course. |
| 11:05 |
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* slef |
finishes his essay |
| 11:05 |
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BobB |
who then make recommedations about who/whatto fund |
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BobB |
and the Trust approves the recommendations and sends the cheques (as it were) |
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slef |
also the naming in the PDF isn't consistent: in places, it's Grants sub-committee and in others, it's Grants Committee |
| 11:06 |
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joann |
sub committee of THT by appointment and secondment is fine |
| 11:06 |
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BobB |
typo slef, will fix that |
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joann |
and ive gone over the document a dozen times slef |
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slef |
yeah, just waving that at you |
| 11:07 |
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joann |
(just to keep us humble) |
| 11:07 |
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akafred |
I think it is a bit unclear how the community can influence grants, but I acknowledge this is way outside my area of expertise. |
| 11:07 |
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drojf |
more general question: is it supposed to be transparent about what goes in, what goes out? or is there more "woah huge grant from xy" and unknown numbers coming up? |
| 11:07 |
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slef |
I think it'd help if 6.11 made it clear that the Grants $whatever will contain non-HLTers |
| 11:08 |
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joann |
I think that is reasonale slef |
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joann |
hlt dont have the expertise or desire |
| 11:08 |
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akafred |
A process like the one used to choose RMs or somthing perhaps. |
| 11:08 |
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BobB |
THT doesn't want to have to be involved in the decision making, so ... |
| 11:09 |
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joann |
rubber stamping |
| 11:09 |
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BobB |
a mechanism is needed for the community to provide people to make grants decisions ... |
| 11:09 |
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BobB |
and all the MOU requires is that the group is not dominated by any organisation |
| 11:09 |
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slef |
akafred: I've been involved in both successful and abysmal grant-making processes from both sides. I think it's best to delegate it to people with some published rules and transparent process else it easily becomes disruptive noisy mob rule. |
| 11:09 |
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BobB |
but it is open to the community to make more rules about appointments |
| 11:09 |
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BobB |
to ensure things are transparent and there is accountability |
| 11:10 |
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* akafred |
likes published rules and transparent process |
| 11:10 |
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BobB |
when we start handing out money, there is potential for disagreement, jealousy, all the worst things to come out |
| 11:10 |
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magnuse |
yay for that |
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joann |
tht is audited by audit nz - govt auditors. every thing is highly transparent - has to be |
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thd |
akafred: I hope that the process of participation in at least voicing an opinion about how to spend any money would be more inclusive than selecting RM etc. has been in practise. |
| 11:10 |
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BobB |
so we are trying to set up a structure that at least keeps things open |
| 11:10 |
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slef |
Would people from "Listed Koha Support Company"s on either committee be seen as a conflict of interest by NZ law? |
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joann |
the mou is the first step. |
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joann |
that is why we limited it to 1 place - so can only ever be 1 vote |
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fridolin |
re |
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fridolin |
sorry i was in a call conf |
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drojf |
yay for transparency |
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slef |
joann, BobB: ok, so what are we looking for now? General "yes, take this forwards" or more specifics? Nominations here and now, or next month, or at the same time as the release team election, or later? |
| 11:12 |
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joann |
so if we can get suport here today, and 4 people who are nomited by the community - and accept - to ener into this agreement on behalf of the comunity, i will set up a bank account, |
| 11:12 |
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BobB |
I assume anyone with a conflict of interest at a meeting would declare it, but the rules can mandate that if we wish |
| 11:13 |
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joann |
and ythe community will need to start thinking about the grants committee make up and rules |
| 11:13 |
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BobB |
#info We seek endorsement of the community entering into the MOU with HLT, first |
| 11:13 |
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davidnind |
I support this, it is a very positive move |
| 11:13 |
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BobB |
#info and second, some names to be signatories on behalf of the community |
| 11:14 |
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BobB |
that then allows fundraising to begin |
| 11:14 |
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BobB |
there is then a safe and accountable bank account for money to be received into |
| 11:14 |
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BobB |
more thought is needed about getting the money back out, more rules probably |
| 11:15 |
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BobB |
but that is less urgent |
| 11:15 |
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slef |
OK, I think there are two obvious groups of existing role-holders for signatories... RMs who we trust with our assets already; and kohacon organisers who we trusted with money already (and our users/developers safety!). |
| 11:15 |
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BobB |
what we want now is to be able to get fundraising started |
| 11:15 |
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joann |
I would like to suggest Chris Cormack as one signatory |
| 11:15 |
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slef |
Does anyone want to make other suggestions for signatories? |
| 11:15 |
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* mveron |
thinks that the bank account should be published on the Koha About page |
| 11:15 |
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joann |
and Bob Birchall as another |
| 11:16 |
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slef |
joann: rangi was(is?) a RM and a former kohacon organiser so would fit both |
| 11:16 |
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BobB |
mveron what do you mean by 'bank account should be published'? |
| 11:16 |
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davidnind |
Suggestions from me - Bob, Chris,Galen, Paul, Nicole? subject to agreeing |
| 11:16 |
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slef |
oh ok so names? |
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akafred |
So is tcohen |
| 11:16 |
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BobB |
if you mean the bank balance, there is provision inthe MOU for reporting that |
| 11:17 |
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mveron |
BobB: In staff client - to gt donations. |
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mveron |
get |
| 11:17 |
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joann |
I have spoken with him today, and if the community was happy for him to do this he will happily be a signatory. |
| 11:17 |
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slef |
we can do it by naming but I feel doing that in 0 hours is a bit risky |
| 11:17 |
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joann |
useful too coz he is an hour away from the trust if we ned face to face |
| 11:17 |
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joann |
and bob is only 3 hours away :) |
| 11:17 |
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BobB |
ah ok mveron, good idea |
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slef |
if no-one else has a problem with 0-hour naming, I'll stand aside, though |
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eythian_ |
joann: also we don't have enough exuses for trips to levin :) |
| 11:18 |
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joann |
lol |
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thd |
slef: "0 hours"? |
| 11:18 |
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magnuse |
here and now |
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joann |
bob, chris, galen, paul (the david nind combo) |
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slef |
like without warning |
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BobB |
The purpose of the fund eythian_ is definitely not to fund the international travel of committee members :) |
| 11:19 |
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joann |
absolutely not |
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eythian_ |
BobB: levin is not so international for me... |
| 11:19 |
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slef |
joann: with nengard asked next if any of those four are not willing? |
| 11:19 |
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joann |
absolutely |
| 11:19 |
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BobB |
but you are special, eythian_ :) |
| 11:19 |
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slef |
is that OK davidnind ? |
| 11:20 |
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davidnind |
works for me |
| 11:20 |
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joann |
is anhyone unhappy? |
| 11:20 |
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akafred |
slef: I agree this sounds a little rushed |
| 11:20 |
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drojf |
i think that is happening pretty fast now and with not too many people taking part |
| 11:20 |
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slef |
I've said why I'm uncomfortable with this. |
| 11:21 |
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joann |
we mentioned it after argentina and in an ir meting but yes, its been quiet since. |
| 11:21 |
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eythian_ |
it would seem reasonable to give it a couple of days, given timezones will make responses/acceptances a little slow anyway. |
| 11:21 |
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joann |
we dont have a deadline to reach |
| 11:21 |
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BobB |
there was a long paper by bag after Koha |
| 11:21 |
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slef |
We've mentioned something ever since Edinburgh at least so doing this overnight now feels a bit rushed |
| 11:21 |
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thd |
getting attention to an issue is always the problem more than the time period passed. |
| 11:21 |
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BobB |
Con |
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mveron |
Why not decide now and send a message to the mailing list? If somebody disagrees he/she could ask for an other vote. |
| 11:22 |
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joann |
This basically just sets up a bank account. |
| 11:22 |
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slef |
mveron: that's a bit like "this is what we want. Does anyone dare oppose us?" like bad old Kings. |
| 11:22 |
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joann |
nothing can happen until the oha community get the grants committee sorted out |
| 11:22 |
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thd |
I see this as merely one avenue of funding for which many need to be pursued. |
| 11:22 |
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BobB |
if we delay this now, what will anyone actually do? |
| 11:22 |
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BobB |
that is not already done? |
| 11:23 |
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joann |
i dont want to be a bad old king ;) |
| 11:23 |
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slef |
mveron: I'd prefer to call for nominations, maybe with a short deadline. We may end up with the same names anyway. |
| 11:23 |
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joann |
I agree totally with Bob |
| 11:23 |
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mveron |
slef: Agree... |
| 11:23 |
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wahanui |
hmmm... agree is not the best approach |
| 11:23 |
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joann |
but also we have to lose except time |
| 11:23 |
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joann |
oops |
| 11:23 |
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thd |
Some granting organisations would never be able to grant to HLT where HLT is foreign and other models will be needed to pursue those. |
| 11:23 |
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joann |
nothing to lose but time |
| 11:24 |
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BobB |
yes thd that is true ... |
| 11:24 |
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magnuse |
i would love to see the donations coming in starting yesterday, but i tend to agree with slef |
| 11:24 |
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joann |
whats another week or two |
| 11:24 |
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BobB |
but there have been numerous past attempts to form a US 501 foundation taht have not succeeded |
| 11:24 |
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slef |
1 week, let's keep some momentum now you've made it |
| 11:24 |
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drojf |
i'd prefer a split. like, vote/decide to set up the account and follow the mou now, noinate/vote on people withing a certain time span |
| 11:24 |
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BobB |
this approach is effective and inexpensive |
| 11:25 |
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eythian_ |
thd: that seems like an issue that would occur no matter where it was actually hosted |
| 11:25 |
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magnuse |
drojf: that works for me |
| 11:25 |
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thd |
Consequently, I see no reason not to go forward with HLT quickly with the understanding that the community can always propose revisions to the bylaws and members of the HLT grants committee. |
| 11:25 |
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mveron |
drojf: Good idea |
| 11:25 |
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joann |
we cangt sign the mou without signatories who represent and are supported by the commnity |
| 11:25 |
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davidnind |
I think we want people initially that the community trusts and respects to do the right thing, all of those nominated would definitely qualify (not that there aren't others as well) |
| 11:26 |
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slef |
! |
| 11:26 |
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BobB |
I really don't care whose names are on the MOU, but I would like the MOU itself to be endorsed, so that fundraising can begin |
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slef |
How about nominate the davidnind four for the MOU but call for nominations for the fundraising committee at the same time as the release team? |
| 11:26 |
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magnuse |
we can't put names on the MOU before asking them, though? |
| 11:26 |
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joann |
I have 3 vendors who want to contribute now |
| 11:26 |
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thd |
eythian_: Yes, the issue I mentioned about foreign grantors is unavoidable, therefore, should have no effect on funding via HLT. |
| 11:26 |
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slef |
oh yeah subject to their agreement |
| 11:26 |
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joann |
i have asked chris, bob is here |
| 11:27 |
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magnuse |
joann: count me in as well :-) |
| 11:27 |
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joann |
paul is online now - or was |
| 11:27 |
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slef |
paul_p_: oi! Are you willing to sign your life away? ;) |
| 11:27 |
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BobB |
Community control will be exercised by the Fundraising Committe - which is a whole new discussion |
| 11:27 |
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magnuse |
lol |
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joann |
4 vendors (thank you magnus) |
| 11:27 |
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BobB |
take as much time as you like for that |
| 11:27 |
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slef |
ok, just documenting this: |
| 11:28 |
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slef |
#startvote Nominate rangi BobB magnuse paul_p_ to sign the MOU on our behalf and call for nominations to the fundraising committee ASAP? Yes, No |
| 11:28 |
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huginn |
Begin voting on: Nominate rangi BobB magnuse paul_p_ to sign the MOU on our behalf and call for nominations to the fundraising committee ASAP? Valid vote options are Yes, No. |
| 11:28 |
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huginn |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
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* paul_p_ |
reading the backlog, and proud to discover he is "one of the davidnind four" :D |
| 11:28 |
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magnuse |
um, not me, i think? |
| 11:28 |
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thd |
#vote Yes |
| 11:28 |
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paul_p_ |
#vote Yes |
| 11:28 |
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joann |
#vote yes |
| 11:29 |
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mveron |
#vote Yes |
| 11:29 |
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davidnind |
#vote yes |
| 11:29 |
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magnuse |
oy! |
| 11:29 |
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Joubu |
#vote Yes |
| 11:29 |
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slef |
magnuse: I changed it because you're here and Galen/Nicole aren't. Are you unwilling? Sorry :( |
| 11:29 |
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matts |
#vote Yes |
| 11:29 |
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magnuse |
well, i havn't actually read the MOU... |
| 11:29 |
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joann |
Magnus wil do ::D |
| 11:29 |
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* BobB |
does not want to vote for himself as signatory, but votes in favour of the MOU being signed |
| 11:29 |
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slef |
I misunderstood "<magnuse> joann: count me in as well :-)" |
| 11:29 |
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BobB |
#vote Yes |
| 11:29 |
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ColinC |
#vote Yes |
| 11:29 |
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joann |
better read it sunshine! |
| 11:30 |
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magnuse |
joann said "I have 3 vendors who want to contribute now" - it hought that meant want to contribute financially |
| 11:30 |
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slef |
yeah I see now |
| 11:30 |
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slef |
sorry |
| 11:30 |
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drojf |
heh i read it like slef |
| 11:30 |
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drojf |
so we start over? |
| 11:30 |
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drojf |
also, we only have 3 then |
| 11:30 |
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joann |
it did - and i interptreted your 'count me in' as another vendor with $ |
| 11:31 |
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joann |
that aside, why not Magnus? |
| 11:31 |
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slef |
we're asking him to do work - it's only polite that he be OK doing that work |
| 11:31 |
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joann |
or run with 3 |
| 11:31 |
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joann |
noone has to do any work. |
| 11:31 |
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joann |
yet |
| 11:31 |
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slef |
you're a librarian, you think reading isn't work ;) |
| 11:32 |
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magnuse |
well, i'm not ready to be voted in anywhere |
| 11:32 |
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slef |
ok, abort |
| 11:32 |
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slef |
#vote no |
| 11:32 |
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slef |
#endvote |
| 11:32 |
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huginn |
Voted on "Nominate rangi BobB magnuse paul_p_ to sign the MOU on our behalf and call for nominations to the fundraising committee ASAP?" Results are |
| 11:32 |
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huginn |
Yes (9): Joubu, ColinC, davidnind, joann, matts, paul_p_, BobB, mveron, thd |
| 11:32 |
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huginn |
No (1): slef |
| 11:32 |
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joann |
the work will be in getting the Koha community to help develop and support the grants committee bylaws |
| 11:32 |
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thd |
slef: It depends on whether you are reading uphill or downhill :) |
| 11:32 |
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slef |
ok... shall I redo with "gmcharlt and/or nengard"? |
| 11:33 |
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magnuse |
works for me |
| 11:33 |
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* slef |
apologises |
| 11:33 |
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akafred |
I guess we were not ready. I suggest the "open for nominations and vote in a week"-approach. |
| 11:33 |
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joann |
dont we have 9 votes for magnus, bobmpaul and chris? |
| 11:33 |
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drojf |
akafred: +1 |
| 11:33 |
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magnuse |
akafred: +1 |
| 11:33 |
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drojf |
sorry but that does not make sense now |
| 11:33 |
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* gmcharlt |
perks up |
| 11:34 |
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gmcharlt |
redo w me and nengard what...? |
| 11:34 |
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slef |
joann: yes but if magnuse is not willing it's not fair |
| 11:34 |
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joann |
i agree but he has not said =he is unwilling |
| 11:34 |
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matts |
gotta leave the meeting |
| 11:34 |
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paul_p_ |
if we down the number of sign-up ppl to 3, that would fit, isn't it ? ;-) |
| 11:34 |
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drojf |
we are obviously not prepared to do this now |
| 11:34 |
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slef |
yo! gmcharlt! To read and if willing sign the HLT MOU |
| 11:34 |
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joann |
of course it would |
| 11:34 |
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slef |
so why was it 4? |
| 11:34 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: gotcha - thanks; I will in fact be reading in closely today |
| 11:34 |
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joann |
we picked a number |
| 11:35 |
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paul_p_ |
so let's pick 3 :D :D |
| 11:36 |
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slef |
I share akafred drojf misgivings about the lack of preparation but I recognise that the majority here are willing to do this now |
| 11:36 |
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akafred |
The question is - will a hurried, unannounced vote for unprepared signatories today make everyone feel they "represent and are supported by the community". |
| 11:36 |
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davidnind |
I think 4 is fine, not too many, not too small |
| 11:36 |
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slef |
so I feel I must offer the meeting the choice |
| 11:36 |
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drojf |
i'm not voting on anyone now. sorry. that does not feel right |
| 11:36 |
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slef |
but with or without gmcharlt? |
| 11:37 |
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paul_p_ |
we have 3 companies ready to fund, a NPO ready to host us, the MOU are very light, I feel it's just a "checking for checking" time delay. (sorry to be rude) |
| 11:37 |
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slef |
do you want your name on it gmcharlt perks? |
| 11:37 |
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slef |
perks??? |
| 11:37 |
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* slef |
looks at autocomplete |
| 11:37 |
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joann |
Its past midnight here so I am going to head of to bed. THT will do whatever the community wants. I am completely calm abou whetherthis gets through tonight or not. No problems. |
| 11:37 |
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BobB |
#idea what about a vote for four signatories now, with a direction that they not sign the MOU for one week, during which time people may raise objections, and if three people request, call another meeting? |
| 11:37 |
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gmcharlt |
heh |
| 11:38 |
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thd |
drojf: I perfectly agree with your sentiment generally. However, I think we could vote them out just as easily at the next meeting if we think we acted too hastily. |
| 11:38 |
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paul_p_ |
BobB sounds fair enough. |
| 11:38 |
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gmcharlt |
but with respect to all who have already clearly worked hard on it... community approval a DAY after an announcement is meaningless |
| 11:38 |
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gmcharlt |
I am (a) willing to spend time closely reading it today and (b) willing to sign in within a week unless I have substantive objections |
| 11:38 |
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slef |
BobB: see my earlier reply to mveron. That feels to me like railroading and a compromise that serves no-one well. We may as well authorise the MOU now and let people block appointment of the fundraising committee. |
| 11:38 |
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BobB |
Signatories have no role other than to 'iuse their best efforts to ensure the community does stuff" |
| 11:38 |
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gmcharlt |
and I do not want to delay it unecessary |
| 11:39 |
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BobB |
we are not electing anyone to office here |
| 11:39 |
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magnuse |
gmcharlt++ |
| 11:40 |
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slef |
I'm going to call a second test vote unless anyone wants to phrase a vote for me...? |
| 11:40 |
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gmcharlt |
but I really do think it can take a week -- this is a big step, since, as it's being presented, it's more than just X Koha support providers banding together on a one-time project |
| 11:40 |
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akafred |
! |
| 11:40 |
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slef |
And then I'm going to move on rather than drag the meeting beyond 2 hours. |
| 11:40 |
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* slef |
waits for akafred |
| 11:40 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: an idea: shall we call for an IRC meeting next week dedicated to the MOU? |
| 11:41 |
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akafred |
Lets give this authority by first voting "A. decide signatories now B. open nominations now and vote in a week." |
| 11:41 |
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thd |
BobB: Oh, if we are only electing signatories, why not appoint several notable people by invitation from HLT rather than merely three additional people now? |
| 11:41 |
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slef |
gmcharlt: would BobB be OK with that? IMO any signatory could hold IRC consultations before they sign if they want. |
| 11:41 |
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akafred |
If A is chosen we can go ahead now. |
| 11:42 |
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BobB |
akafred are you calling for a vote on Fundraising committee members in a week? That is rushing things imo |
| 11:42 |
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akafred |
No, signatories |
| 11:42 |
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akafred |
To make sure everyone feels they "represent and are supported by the commnity" |
| 11:43 |
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magnuse |
akafred's proposal sounds good to me |
| 11:43 |
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Joubu |
3 of them have been RM (at least once)... |
| 11:43 |
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slef |
#startvote Do we A: approve rangi BobB gmcharlt paul_p_ to sign the MOU as soon as they wish or B: open MOU nominations and vote at an IRC meeting next week? A, B |
| 11:43 |
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huginn |
Begin voting on: Do we A: approve rangi BobB gmcharlt paul_p_ to sign the MOU as soon as they wish or B: open MOU nominations and vote at an IRC meeting next week? Valid vote options are A, B. |
| 11:43 |
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huginn |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 11:43 |
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davidnind |
i would suggest two separate votes 1) Support MOU and purpose (subject to any minor edits deemed necessary) 2) Nominations for signatories with voting in a week - Bob, Galen, Chris, Paul (subject to agreement to represent and open for further nominations) |
| 11:44 |
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slef |
davidnind: sorry |
| 11:44 |
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magnuse |
#vote B |
| 11:44 |
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akafred |
#vote B |
| 11:44 |
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paul_p_ |
#vote A |
| 11:44 |
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drojf |
#vote B |
| 11:44 |
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davidnind |
I can't type very fast, sorry here.. |
| 11:44 |
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BobB |
#vote A |
| 11:44 |
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Joubu |
#vote A |
| 11:44 |
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mveron |
#vote B |
| 11:44 |
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chris_n |
#vote A |
| 11:44 |
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davidnind |
#vote A |
| 11:45 |
|
* BobB |
again votes in favour of the MOU being signed, not for himself as a signatory |
| 11:45 |
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slef |
davidnind: that's why I suggest screaming ! to make me wait. Sorry if you did and I missed it. |
| 11:45 |
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ColinC |
#vote A |
| 11:45 |
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* akafred |
just wants to clarify that his vote is about the process, not the people. |
| 11:45 |
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slef |
#info BobB again votes in favour of the MOU being signed, not for himself as a signatory |
| 11:45 |
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slef |
BobB: so noted |
| 11:45 |
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BobB |
thx :) |
| 11:45 |
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eythian_ |
#vote A |
| 11:45 |
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thd |
Is the apparent haste in the moment for something which has been discussed with long interruptions and not much attention between motivated by the fact that there are three parties willing to contribute funds who may loose interest if delayed? |
| 11:46 |
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gmcharlt |
for my part - I will make an informed decision and am willing to be on a list of signatories, but feel pretty strongly that the list should not be exclusive |
| 11:46 |
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slef |
#showvote |
| 11:46 |
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huginn |
A (7): Joubu, ColinC, davidnind, paul_p_, eythian_, BobB, chris_n |
| 11:46 |
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huginn |
B (4): magnuse, drojf, akafred, mveron |
| 11:46 |
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gmcharlt |
i.e., if somebody else chooses to sign, they should be able to do so |
| 11:46 |
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thd |
#vote B |
| 11:46 |
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slef |
Anyone want to persuade people to change sides? Anyone ovvering to change sides? |
| 11:46 |
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slef |
offering |
| 11:46 |
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* slef |
switches autocomplete back on |
| 11:47 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: er, I will choose assume that potential contributors are familiar enough with the ways of our community not to be put off by a week for folks to consider |
| 11:47 |
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eythian_ |
#vote B |
| 11:48 |
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slef |
#showvote |
| 11:48 |
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huginn |
A (6): Joubu, ColinC, davidnind, paul_p_, BobB, chris_n |
| 11:48 |
|
huginn |
B (6): magnuse, akafred, eythian_, mveron, thd, drojf |
| 11:48 |
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magnuse |
lol |
| 11:48 |
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BobB |
gmcharlt, I have no problem with that, I do not much care who signs it, as long as they are willing to 'use their best endeavours' to make the community do what it is ageeing to do |
| 11:48 |
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slef |
I'm going to make a casting vote then... |
| 11:48 |
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slef |
#vote B |
| 11:49 |
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slef |
sorry BobB |
| 11:49 |
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BobB |
so exactly what does that mean chairman |
| 11:49 |
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slef |
#endvote |
| 11:49 |
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huginn |
Voted on "Do we A: approve rangi BobB gmcharlt paul_p_ to sign the MOU as soon as they wish or B: open MOU nominations and vote at an IRC meeting next week?" Results are |
| 11:49 |
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huginn |
A (6): Joubu, ColinC, davidnind, paul_p_, BobB, chris_n |
| 11:49 |
|
huginn |
B (7): magnuse, slef, akafred, eythian_, mveron, thd, drojf |
| 11:49 |
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BobB |
is the MOU not endorsed? |
| 11:49 |
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BobB |
then who is going to step up to fix whatever must be fixed? |
| 11:49 |
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slef |
not this week, sorry - I think there's no objection to the MOU itself |
| 11:49 |
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BobB |
and what must be fixed? |
| 11:49 |
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slef |
just to the rush to names |
| 11:50 |
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drojf |
BobB: i think we all endorse the MOU. some of us just have difficulties with rushing through this now after sending out the MOU last night (my time zone) |
| 11:50 |
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slef |
well I'd like the naming consistent ;) |
| 11:50 |
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BobB |
that is not at all clear from the motion that has been determined just now |
| 11:50 |
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slef |
could you publish the source code for the MOU so we can patch it, please? |
| 11:50 |
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chris_n |
lol |
| 11:50 |
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thd |
BobB: My vote was not against endorsing the MOU but merely waiting a week to give people more opportunity to consider details before endorsing. |
| 11:50 |
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slef |
I'll open the nominations and chair next week's IRC meeting unless anyone else replaces me |
| 11:50 |
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| 11:50 |
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akafred |
slef++ |
| 11:51 |
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slef |
I suspect we'll end up with the davidnind four anyway but it'll be a stronger agreement for it |
| 11:51 |
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| 11:51 |
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slef |
let's move on! |
| 11:51 |
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gmcharlt |
It's not clear to me that patches would even be required -- I think it's purely a matter of respect for the time of contributors to Koha that if one proposes something to which one also desires general community assent... that a reasonable amount of time be allowed for them to read closely |
| 11:51 |
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slef |
#topic 8. Actions from General IRC meeting 11 February 2015 |
| 11:51 |
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|
Topic for #koha is now 8. Actions from General IRC meeting 11 February 2015 (Meeting topic: General_IRC_meeting_11_March_2015) |
| 11:51 |
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drojf |
i don't have any objection to the davidnind four or the MOU. only to the rushed process today |
| 11:52 |
|
* magnuse |
agrees with gmcharlt |
| 11:52 |
|
* akafred |
too |
| 11:52 |
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BobB |
ok, I'm off to bed, good night all |
| 11:52 |
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* magnuse |
agrees with drojf too |
| 11:52 |
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slef |
night BobB - same time next week? |
| 11:52 |
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gmcharlt |
if community assent was not, in fact, desired -- I don't think there's in fact any bar to whoever who wants to do it from setting up funding pools |
| 11:52 |
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slef |
anyone know about the Roadmap for Koha? |
| 11:52 |
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magnuse |
thanks for you work on this BobB |
| 11:53 |
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mveron |
BobB ++ |
| 11:53 |
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drojf |
BobB++ |
| 11:53 |
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magnuse |
...and joann |
| 11:53 |
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drojf |
joann++ |
| 11:53 |
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mveron |
joann ++ |
| 11:53 |
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slef |
akafred did some work on the roadmap? |
| 11:53 |
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akafred |
I have suggested a couple of things; |
| 11:53 |
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| 11:54 |
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akafred |
One is that we should "commit" to provide a REST api as per the REST RFC. |
| 11:54 |
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slef |
This looks to me a bit like a zombie agenda item that has been stumbling on since http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_17_December_2014 :( |
| 11:55 |
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slef |
or actually november |
| 11:55 |
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davidnind |
I only added it as it seemed to still be open, if it's available for contribution and no further discussion required, then that is okay |
| 11:56 |
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slef |
can we ask if the RMs support this approach? |
| 11:56 |
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slef |
duhhhh |
| 11:56 |
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slef |
rephrase |
| 11:56 |
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slef |
shall we ask if the RMs support this approach? |
| 11:56 |
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akafred |
The other is that the work on Plack (which is rumored to have real implications for performance) should be brought forward. |
| 11:56 |
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slef |
otherwise it could become another place where contributors become alienated :( |
| 11:57 |
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* magnuse |
gotta wander off |
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| 11:57 |
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davidnind |
I think the idea of the road map has already been agreed, with release manager holding final say inwaht goes int to a release |
| 11:57 |
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slef |
#idea ask if the RMs support this approach? |
| 11:57 |
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slef |
I'm going to close the meeting because I need to leave too |
| 11:57 |
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davidnind |
s/be in what goes into a release |
| 11:57 |
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akafred |
Both REST and Plack had progress last week in Marseille. |
| 11:58 |
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slef |
unless anyone else wants to take the chair, finish this and set the next meeting date? |
| 11:58 |
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thd |
! |
| 11:58 |
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* slef |
waits for thd |
| 11:58 |
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thd |
slef: You cannot stay for selecting the next meeting time? |
| 11:59 |
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slef |
not unless it's dead quick |
| 11:59 |
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akafred |
next meeting is next week isn't it. |
| 11:59 |
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akafred |
? |
| 11:59 |
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slef |
aha |
| 11:59 |
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akafred |
The mou vote. |
| 11:59 |
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davidnind |
Next normal meeting 8 April 2015 10:00 UTC, MOU meeting next week 18 March 10:00 UTC |
| 11:59 |
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slef |
I mean next general meeting |
| 11:59 |
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| 11:59 |
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slef |
MOU meeting next week 18 March 10 UTC |
| 11:59 |
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slef |
please |
| 11:59 |
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gmcharlt |
+1 to 8 April 10UTC for next general meeting |
| 12:00 |
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gmcharlt |
+1 to 18 March 10 UTC for MOU meeting |
| 12:00 |
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slef |
usual pattern would be 8 April 4 UTC wouldn't it? |
| 12:00 |
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thd |
gmcharlt: should we not alternate to 21 UTC as recently? |
| 12:00 |
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slef |
19 UTC recently |
| 12:00 |
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thd |
19 UTC |
| 12:00 |
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gmcharlt |
sorry, I was just going by what davidnind said |
| 12:01 |
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slef |
I see teh 4 UTC seems to have dropped |
| 12:01 |
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gmcharlt |
I'm also fine with 19UTC |
| 12:01 |
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slef |
#topic 9. Set date/time of next general IRC meeting |
| 12:01 |
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Topic for #koha is now 9. Set date/time of next general IRC meeting (Meeting topic: General_IRC_meeting_11_March_2015) |
| 12:01 |
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davidnind |
fine with any time, not sure what recent pattern has been |
| 12:01 |
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thd |
4 UTC is guaranteed minimal attendance. |
| 12:01 |
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slef |
seeing as we've already gone with that |
| 12:01 |
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slef |
8 April is 2 days after Easter Monday |
| 12:01 |
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slef |
still OK with everyone? |
| 12:01 |
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gmcharlt |
yes |
| 12:01 |
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drojf |
+1 for 19utc on 8 april |
| 12:02 |
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thd |
+1 8 April 19 UTC |
| 12:02 |
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davidnind |
+1 for 19utc on 8 april |
| 12:02 |
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Joubu |
-1 #19 UTC is too late for me |
| 12:02 |
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drojf |
davidnind: you copied that from me. it's my intellectual property ^^ |
| 12:02 |
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slef |
well we each take it in the neck sometimes Joubu ! |
| 12:03 |
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slef |
#agreed 8 April 19UTC for next general meeting, 18 March 10:00 UTC for MOU agreement meeting |
| 12:03 |
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slef |
#info Thank you all for lasting this long! See you next week! |
| 12:03 |
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slef |
#endmeeting |
| 12:03 |
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huginn |
Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-03-11-10.02.html |
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huginn |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]5-03-11-10.02.txt |
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huginn |
Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]11-10.02.log.html |
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akafred |
slef++ |
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drojf |
slef++ |
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mveron |
slef++ |
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eythian_ |
whew, bedtime! |
| 12:03 |
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slef |
whew, lunchtime! |
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davidnind |
slef== |
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davidnind |
slef++ |
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mveron |
Lunch got cold... |
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eythian_ |
everyone is making slef slower and more complicated |
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davidnind |
1am is getting on a bit.. |
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slef |
mveron: salad for me. I know what you lot can be like ;) |
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Teejay |
Early afternoon here. Nice joining you all |
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* mveron |
will make use of the micro wave... |
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gmcharlt |
slef++ |
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slef |
oh shoot |
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slef |
I should have done a #info on why 7.h was invalid |
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slef |
never mind - people can read the fine logs |
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drojf |
has there been an #action for someone to send out the mail about next weeks meeting? |
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drojf |
we would not want to do the same thing again, would we? |
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ashimema_ |
hi peeps.. |
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ashimema_ |
can anyone direct me at the current documentation related to enabling memcached for koha.. |
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akafred |
drojf: slef said: " I'll open the nominations and chair next week's IRC meeting unless anyone else replaces me" |
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ashimema_ |
been a while since I've experimented in that area. The dust seems to have settled a bit now so it's time for me to try again ;) |
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drojf |
ashimema_: i think it is "install/start memcached and set it in koha-conf.xml" |
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slef |
akafred, drojf: feel free to open nominations for me ;) |
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eythian_ |
that's pretty much it |
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slef |
else I'll do it a bit later |
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ashimema_ |
it is conf now is it.. I know it had flip/flopped between koha-conf and apache vhosts a few times |
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eythian_ |
oh |
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eythian_ |
it might be in the apache conf |
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drojf |
akafred: thanks |
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drojf |
slef: no that's fine :) |
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akafred |
drojf: thank slef who volunteered :-) |
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needs to sleep to be productive later |
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drojf |
ashimema_ eythian or maybe that. sorry, i'm not helping |
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ashimema_ |
cheers peeps |
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ashimema_ |
eythian.. your around alte aren't you..? |
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eythian_ |
ashimema_: yeah |
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eythian_ |
there was a meeting just then |
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akafred |
ashimema_: When you find out about memcached i'd love a ping with a link |
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eythian_ |
I'm now in procrastinate going to bed mode |
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ashimema_ |
indeed.. I missed it.. |
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ashimema_ |
was in a call with a client :) |
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ashimema_ |
so need to read the minutes.. |
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akafred |
ashimema_: In my setup I find MEMCACHED_SERVERS in apache and memcached_servers in koha-conf. Haven't tried either yet. |
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akafred |
ashimema_: According to http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]formance#Memcache it is environment variables that count (that means apache SetEnv). |
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drojf |
oh yes accourding to http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11167 too |
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huginn |
Bug 11167: trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, In Discussion , Remove memcached config from koha-conf-site.xml.in |
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akafred |
ashimema_: However in the code I see "USE_MEMCACHED" as an option ... I guess that would have to go in the apache config? |
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drojf |
sorry forgot to send that |
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drojf |
i have it in both places ^^ |
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drojf |
i don't habe use_memcached anywhere |
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akafred |
Not even set on the server? |
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akafred |
Ok - it is only used in Makefile.PL |
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akafred |
So putting server(s) into apache config should do the trick. |
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tcohen |
morning |
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tcohen |
hi akafred |
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akafred |
morning tcohen |
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ashimema_ |
cheers people |
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ashimema_ |
all very helpfull |
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fridolin |
hie tcohen, good morning |
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fridolin |
home sweet home ? |
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tcohen |
hi fridolin, are you alreading drinking mate? |
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tcohen |
yeah |
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tcohen |
took the day off yesterday |
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tcohen |
back at the office today |
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fridolin |
tcohen: of course ;) im not yet used to it |
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fridolin |
its difficult to have it always warm |
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fridolin |
but i realy enjoy it |
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waves at tcohen |
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fridolin |
just for news : I will release this month 3.14 verison, with backport of Bug 12594 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12594 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Get rid of z3950random |
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tcohen |
yeah, you need to drink the whole 1L thermus in a row |
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fridolin |
I mean Bug 12954 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12954 is not accessible. |
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fridolin |
and the translations made during HFK |
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tcohen |
hi magnuse |
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fridolin |
if some important bugs for 3.14.x must be pointed to me, do not hesitate to contact me |
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tcohen |
great fridolin |
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barton |
@seen dcook |
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huginn |
barton: dcook was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 33 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <dcook> later all |
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barton |
good $(date +%p), #koha :-) |
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Joubu |
tcohen: Hi! I would be nice to see bug 13021 pushed, it's the last use (I think) of SQLHelper. When it will be pushed, SQLHelper.pm could be removed |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13021 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , DataTables server-side processing - guarantor search |
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Joubu |
s/I/It |
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barton |
+1 |
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barton |
@later tell dcook when you get a chance, could you look at Bug 6499 |
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huginn |
barton: The operation succeeded. |
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barton |
nuts. meant to add more to that later... bloody embeded linefeed in paste... |
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barton |
bug 6499 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6499 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, barton, Failed QA , MARC21 035 -- Other-control-number -- Indexing & Matching |
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barton |
^^ tcohen, dcook (and whoever geeks out on Zebra index stuff) ... this patch adds an index for 035$a and 035$z ... it worked for me and wnickc, but not for cait. I have a feeling that whatever's causing her issues might also be at the root of some of my headaches. Would you mind taking a look? |
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barton |
morning nengard! |
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tcohen |
barton, I will |
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nengard |
hiya |
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barton |
tcohen++ |
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magnuse |
man sftp |
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magnuse |
gah! |
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jcamins |
sftp -- secure file transfer program |
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jcamins |
sftp [-1246Cpqrv] [-B buffer_size] [-b batchfile] [-c cipher] [-D sftp_server_path] [-F ssh_config] [-i identity_file] [-l limit] [-o ssh_option] [-P port] [-R num_requests] [-S program] [-s subsystem | sftp_server] host ... |
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Joubu |
mveron: I don't understand you patch on bug 11364 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11364 normal, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Signed Off , Label layout types and text justification types are not translatable |
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magnuse |
thanks jcamins :-) |
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Joubu |
mveron: $text_justification_types is still used |
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Joubu |
C4/Creators/Lib.pm: return $text_justification_types; |
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Joubu |
and perl -wc complains |
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mveron |
Joubu: See Bernardo's comment #2 for Bug 11364 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11364 normal, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Signed Off , Label layout types and text justification types are not translatable |
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Joubu |
mveron: he was wrong :) |
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mveron |
Oh, then discard my patch :-) |
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tcohen |
Joubu: let's see |
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* magnuse |
waves at nengard |
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* nengard |
waves at magnuse |
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tcohen |
jcaminsul |
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tcohen |
hi paul_p |
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tcohen |
haha, smuxi autocompletion *cks |
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paul_p |
hi tcohen I hope you're well & cecilia/manuel are happy to get their husband/dad back home ! |
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tcohen |
they are =D |
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magnuse |
yay |
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chris_n |
tcohen: is bug 10773 on your radar? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10773 major, P3, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , Add item-level descriptions for Label Printing |
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tcohen |
it is |
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chris_n |
fantastic |
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chris_n |
tcohen++ |
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nlegrand |
I have a db working ok with 3.18, when I switch on master, I loose items in catalogue/detail.pl ('no physical items for this record') or circ/circulation.pl checkouts list (with the right number of checkouted items well written on tab). Someone has an idea what recent could do this? |
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tcohen |
khall: where did you put the db table naming schema on the wiki? |
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khall |
hmm, let me take a look |
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khall |
tcohen: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Objects |
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tcohen |
thanks khall |
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khall |
np! |
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tcohen |
nengard: keep me informed if you find something about that bug |
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nengard |
which bug? |
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tcohen |
oh, smuxi autocompletion again, I intended to write to nlegrand |
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tcohen |
it seems to try to be smart regarding what i use the most for autocompleting |
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nengard |
:) |
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nengard |
hiya jransom |
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nengard |
long time no see |
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paul_p |
nengard = I think jransom is a bot. Joann told us it was more than midnight for her, she left for going to bed ;-) |
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nengard |
interesting |
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wahanui |
i heard interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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nengard |
okay |
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tcohen |
chris_n: I think we should have (easy to do) regression tests for 10773 |
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chris_n |
tcohen: that sounds good; I'll try to whip one up this afternoon and add it to the bug |
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tcohen |
great chris_n |
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vfernandes |
hi :) |
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one strange thing happened on one of my installations.... a loan is repeated twice in the database... same patron, same item, same date, same renewaldate... |
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vfernandes |
what could provoke that? |
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fridolin |
for users of the z3950 of the BNF, does it work better than last weeks ? |
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ok, finding where to create the fundraising wiki page |
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slef |
@seen fpeon |
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huginn |
slef: I have not seen fpeon. |
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NCARMichael |
Greetings! Perchance some kind soul can assist me with adding fields to my Default framework? |
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NCARMichael |
It seems so straightforward, and yet my new fields fail to appear. |
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NCARMichael |
I've added subfields as well... |
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NCARMichael |
I've watched this, from Nicole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtRLIv3sEuk |
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NCARMichael |
perhaps there's a particular subfield that must be added for the 099...? |
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* slef |
posts http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising |
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slef |
@marc 099 |
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huginn |
slef: unknown tag 099 |
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slef |
@marc 952 |
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huginn |
slef: unknown tag 952 |
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wahanui |
The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_fields_%289xx%29 |
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slef |
nope I don't remember where 099 is described |
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slef |
but fields should already be in there |
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slef |
so I don't understand: why would it matter if you added a new one? |
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slef |
NCARMichael: Where do the fields fail to appear? |
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slef |
I may have no answers but I can at least improve the questions :) |
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NCARMichael |
sorry...i disappeared there for a bit... |
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NCARMichael |
I go in to Edit at the record level |
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NCARMichael |
and 099 doesn't show for me |
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reiveune |
bye |
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NCARMichael |
Just tried same thing with 567 field...same result. |
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slef |
NCARMichael: what koha version? |
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mveron |
Bye #koha |
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slef |
bye mveron ;) |
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NCARMichael |
Koha version 3.14.04 |
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jransom: I hope that email was OK |
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NCARMichael |
A ha, problem solved! It was a caching issue, apparently. |
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brendan_ |
@later tell rangi When traveling in europe - Ginny insists she’s a baby turtle — “no no daddy turtle - me name is not Ginny!!! it’s baby turtle†|
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brendan_: The operation succeeded. |
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New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13657 - Don't show extra comma after guarantor name on patron details <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a1450fde481e935e7> / Bug 11364: Label layout types and text justification types are not translatable <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3a492e2dc6ce28375> / Bug 13804 - Returns via the checkouts tables uses the p |
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tcohen |
ginny++ # baby koala rules |
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tcohen |
@later tell matts ìd is not a good name for a colum :-P |
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brendan_ |
HA tcohen I will have to tell baby turtle that someone said - baby koala rules |
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tcohen |
=D |
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chris_n |
tcohen: regression tests for 10773 will probably need to be db dependent; what did you have in mind as a simple test? |
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tcohen |
hm, i thought we already had code mocking things in t/Labels.t |
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chris_n |
not really |
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chris_n |
nothing is called in those tests which requires db access |
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there are some db_dependent Labels tests |
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chris_n |
but we'd need data to run over |
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tcohen |
we need to mock some things, like GetBranches, etc |
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tcohen |
instead of DB access |
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tcohen |
let me find a good example |
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chris_n |
that would require a rewrite of most of the db_dependent Labels tests |
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tcohen |
no no |
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tcohen |
you should just use Test::MockModule on t/Labels.t |
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tcohen |
to mock a couple things |
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tcohen |
let me find an example, its really easy |
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chris_n |
k |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13578: Make sure the 'public' parameter is passed to the last step <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e2609ee29cb459ac8> / Bug 11430: DBRev 3.19.00.015 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]936c0230a08c3cbec> / Bug 11430: (RM followup) DBIx schema update <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]t;a=commitdiff;h= |
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tcohen |
chris_n: look at t/Prices.t |
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* chris_n |
looks |
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my $bookseller_module = Test::MockModule->new('Koha::Acquisition::Bookseller'); |
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tcohen |
and then |
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tcohen |
$bookseller_module->mock( |
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tcohen |
'fetch', |
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tcohen |
sub { |
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tcohen |
return { listincgst => 0, invoiceincgst => 0 }; |
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tcohen |
} |
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tcohen |
); |
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tcohen |
so, you are mocking the module, and defining what it will do |
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tcohen |
so, mock what you need |
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tcohen |
and make it return exactly what you need for the test |
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tcohen |
you need to mock C4::Branch, and specifically ->mock('GetBranchName', sub{ my $branch = shift; if ($branch eq xxx) { return "label for xxx} }) |
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tcohen |
anyway, i'm leaving home |
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tcohen |
just drop me an email if you need help r something |
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sounds good; I'll have a shot at it |
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Project Koha_Master_D7 build #325: UNSTABLE in 31 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/325/ |
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* Larry Baerveldt: Bug 13785: koha-disable should also stop SIP and zebra for instance |
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* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13785: (QA followup) koha-disable should stop the indexer daemon |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 11430: delete search history by id - API changes |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13785 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, larry, Pushed to Master , koha-disable should also stop SIP/Zebra/Indexer for instance |
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* Jonathan Druart: Bug 11430: UT: add unit tests to delete only selected lines |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 11430: OPAC changes |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 11430: Intranet changes |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 11430 [Follow-up] Search history: Delete selected lines |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11430 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Search history: Delete selected lines |
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* Jonathan Druart: Bug 11430: DB changes: Add the primary key for search_history |
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jenkins_koha |
* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 11430: (QA followup) small typos in kohastructure.sql |
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jenkins_koha |
* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 11430: (QA followup) we test for warnings, always |
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jenkins_koha |
* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 11430: (RM followup) DBIx schema update |
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jenkins_koha |
* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 11430: DBRev 3.19.00.015 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 13578: Make sure the 'public' parameter is passed to the last step |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13578 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Parameter public is lost on creating a report |
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barton |
a question came up at bywater as to whether it was possible for notices generated by 'gatherprintnotices.pl' to get a status other than 'pending'. I thought that I had seen this discussed in the text of one of the message transport type bugs in bugzilla, but I can't seem to find that. Does that ring a bell with anyone? |
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rangi |
morning |
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rangi |
@later tell magnuse thanks, fixed now |
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huginn |
rangi: The operation succeeded. |
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cait |
hi #kohs |
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cait |
hi #kohs |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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* cait |
blames the cold |
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rangi |
hi cait |
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nengard |
hiya cait |
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nengard |
I'm sick too :( |
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cait |
hi rangi and nengard |
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drojf |
wizzyrea: that was fast. thanks for adding me :) |
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cait |
nengard: been since sunday night :( but we had our user meeting today - so glad to be home |
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cait |
drojf: congratulations :) |
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cait |
haven't read all mail yet, but saw yours |
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drojf |
hi cait. where have you been since the hackfest? |
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cait |
at work on monday, travelling the last 2 for the user meeting |
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drojf |
travelling to nice places? :) |
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cait |
heidelberg |
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cait |
our first koha library was hosting the meeting |
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cait |
was nice :) |
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cait |
just the cold is really really annoying |
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drojf |
ah cool |
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drojf |
apart from the cold |
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rangi |
drojf++ |
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drojf |
what did i do? |
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drojf |
and hi rangi :) |
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rangi |
another support company |
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rangi |
and from someone active in the community :) |
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cait |
:) |
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drojf |
thanks :) |
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drojf |
so i can hand out the real paid support address at the webinar tomorrow, not the fake one i used before :D |
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drojf |
j/k |
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* drojf |
hides ^^ |
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cait |
heh |
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rangi |
heh |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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mtompset |
wizzyrea: You here? |
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mtompset |
I'm curious who added Mirko's entry to the paid support list an hour or so ago. Anyone? |
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pastebot |
"mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Request from February 4, 2015." (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/5 |
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mtompset |
P.S. What isn't mentioned is that I do a lot of the technical work in terms of set up and installs. |
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cait |
cool logo |
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andreashm |
hi #koha |
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cait |
hi andreashm - i got your cold! |
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cait |
well... i can't prove it :) |
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andreashm |
ah, too bad. hope it's not as bad as it turned out for me though. came home with 40 C fever... peaked at 41 on sunday. |
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andreashm |
just got back among the living today... |
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eythian |
hi |
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cait |
eek |
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cait |
ok, i just decided it's not yurs |
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cait |
yours |
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cait |
hope you feel better now! |
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andreashm |
cait: haha. yeah, much better. thankfully. |
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mtompset |
Tulong Aklatan's logo. Thank you, cait :) |
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mtompset |
andreashm: Get better soon! |
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mtompset |
Greetings, cait andreashm eythian. :) |
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andreashm |
thanks mtompset |
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* dcook |
waves |
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dcook |
bug 6499 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6499 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, barton, Failed QA , MARC21 035 -- Other-control-number -- Indexing & Matching |
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drojf |
hi dcook |
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dcook |
@later tell barton sure, I'm pretty busy at the moment, so I might need another reminder later |
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huginn |
dcook: The operation succeeded. |
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dcook |
heya drojf |
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eythian |
dcook: I've figured why you moved to australia: Canada and Australia are both large countries that are mostly uninhabitable, and are full of places with ridiculous place names. |
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cait |
heh |
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eythian |
http://www.futilitycloset.com/[…]iversal-language/ |
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drojf |
i was asked if i was canadian today |
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drojf |
that was… different |
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eythian |
well, they didn't want to accuse you of being American first, most likely :D |
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drojf |
heh |
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drojf |
ok then it was way more friendly to ask that way :P |
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dcook |
hehe |
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dcook |
Someone in the lift said "There are a lot of Americans in this building!" |
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dcook |
I replied "Really? I haven't noticed." |
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dcook |
She said "But you're American" |
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* dcook |
stared blankly at her for a bit |
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barton |
dcook: don't worry about it, tcohen said that he would look at it. I certainly appreciate being busy :-) |
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dcook |
Cool :) |
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dcook |
eythian: Canadian names make total sense! |
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dcook |
Sure, it only took me 10 years to learn how to spell Saskatchewan... |
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eythian |
wahanui: newfoundland |
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wahanui |
i guess newfoundland is the Untitled Document of place names. |
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dcook |
hehe |
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dcook |
It makes it extra good that it's Newfoundland & Labrador |
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ibeardslee |
just surely american is the entire continets .. just like you can be european and french |
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* magnuse |
has a cold too |
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dcook |
ibeardslee: It depends on the context in which you're referring to America |
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eythian |
http://mentalfloss.com/article[…]lace-names-canada <-- I'm just going to leave this here, dcook |
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ibeardslee |
you can be american and canadian |
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dcook |
The United States really ruined it for everyone else |
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ibeardslee |
or american and mexican |
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dcook |
The convention would be to say North American |
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dcook |
Unless you're not from North America |
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eythian |
ibeardslee: isn't it two continents? |
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eythian |
ibeardslee: so, you're conflating two different places |
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dcook |
Also that |
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wahanui |
it has been said that Also that is a giant undertaking |
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dcook |
I like how eythian manages to derail me when I should be doing other things |
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ibeardslee |
they are both america .. north and south |
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dcook |
Swastika would've only been a weird name after the 30s and 40s, me thinks |
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dcook |
Named Swastika in 1907... makes sense |
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dcook |
ibeardslee: But it might not follow with the Europe analog |
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dcook |
analogy* |
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* dcook |
reads more place names |
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dcook |
I've never been to Vulcan, but I hear it's great |
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dcook |
If only for the photo ops |
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* drojf |
hums 'there's no canada like french canada…' |
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dcook |
Saint-Louis-du-Ha! Ha! might take the cake... |
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dcook |
I think I've been to Head-Smashed-In... |
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dcook |
eythian: If it helps, my mum lived in Climax when she was younger :p |
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eythian |
heh |
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dcook |
We have other good ones.. |
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dcook |
Big Beaver |
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dcook |
My grandpa lived there for a while when I was a kid |
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dcook |
Climax giveaway -> http://www.broadcastermagazine[…]000031302/?&er=NA |
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dcook |
We used to have a boat at Elbow... which you could get to once you passed through Eyebrow |
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dcook |
Yeah, I think you might be right about the funny name thing after all, eythian :p |
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barton |
dcook: Des Moines, Iowa has "Upper Beaver" and "Lower Beaver" Avenues... I can't quite imagine giving the latter as my mailing address... |
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eythian |
dcook: and then you have Wagga Wagga |
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barton |
I think that takes the cake. |
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barton |
http://poetry.about.com/od/poe[…]/l/blwakawaka.htm |
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mtompset |
drojf: Congratulations on being mistaken for a polite group of people. :) |
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barton |
HA |
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drojf |
mtompset: it was confusing to me too :P |
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eythian |
https://i.imgur.com/IomGkRU.gifv |
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drojf |
lol |
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drojf |
hello there wifi |
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eythian |
drojf: written on OSX no less. |
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eythian |
Well, I suppose it's either that or windows, so neither is particularly better |
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rangi |
not uncommon at all sadly |
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drojf |
or the other way round |
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eythian |
heh |
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rangi |
@later tell magnuse im watching a tv show in the evenings called Lilyhammer its in norwegian with subtitles .. have you seen it? |
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huginn |
rangi: The operation succeeded. |
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drojf |
rangi: is it good? |
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eythian |
oh yeah |
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eythian |
I've had that on my netflix list |
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eythian |
I've heard good things |
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rangi |
yeah its about a mafia guy who gets relocated there under witness protection |
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rangi |
its really good |
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cait |
night |
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eythian |
hi cait |
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eythian |
bye cait |
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drojf |
night cai |
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drojf |
t |
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drojf |
hmpf |
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drojf |
:D |
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drojf |
i should get some sleep. good night #koha |
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* Francesca |
waves |
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mtompset |
Greetings, Francesca. :) |
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Francesca |
hey mtompset |
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wahanui |
i heard mtompset was catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry. |
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mtompset |
Something like that. |
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mtompset |
:) |
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Francesca |
anyone know if rangi's around? |
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mtompset |
19:36 - 18:41 |
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mtompset |
about an hour ago. |
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mtompset |
55 minutes. :) |
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Francesca |
I keep on missing him.. |
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rangi |
am now |
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rangi |
heya |
