Time Nick Message
23:57 rangi heya
23:57 rangi am now
23:37 Francesca I keep on missing him..
23:36 mtompset 55 minutes. :)
23:36 mtompset about an hour ago.
23:36 mtompset 19:36 - 18:41
23:36 Francesca anyone know if rangi's around?
23:35 mtompset :)
23:35 mtompset Something like that.
23:35 wahanui i heard mtompset was catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
23:35 Francesca hey mtompset
23:35 mtompset Greetings, Francesca. :)
23:30 * Francesca waves
23:20 drojf i should get some sleep. good night #koha
22:51 drojf :D
22:51 eythian [off] drojf: WHEN I FINISH ELASTICSEARCH now stop rushing me!
22:51 drojf [off] somehow that reminds me… when will we have postgres in koha? :P
22:50 drojf hmpf
22:50 drojf t
22:50 drojf night cai
22:49 eythian bye cait
22:49 eythian hi cait
22:49 cait night
22:48 drojf [off] wow that abstact is horrible. now that i am a 'business'… i still hate that business 'open source' thing ^^
22:46 rangi its really good
22:46 rangi yeah its about a mafia guy who gets relocated there under witness protection
22:46 eythian I've heard good things
22:46 eythian I've had that on my netflix list
22:46 eythian oh yeah
22:46 drojf rangi: is it good?
22:45 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
22:45 rangi @later tell magnuse im watching a tv show in the evenings called Lilyhammer its in norwegian with subtitles .. have you seen it?
22:43 eythian heh
22:43 drojf or the other way round
22:42 drojf [off] "deutsche wolke" means "german cloud". and sounds as ridiculous as it is
22:41 drojf [off] working group "deutsche wolke" lol that is a joke, right?
22:41 rangi not uncommon at all sadly
22:41 eythian Well, I suppose it's either that or windows, so neither is particularly better
22:41 eythian drojf: written on OSX no less.
22:40 drojf [off] do a talk at "linux days" in chemnitz (eastern germany). talk about "open source in the economy". hand in your abstract written in microsoft word. https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2015/media/vortraege/shortpaper/153_Frei-Nicht-Umsonst_KMS.pdf
22:40 drojf hello there wifi
22:35 drojf lol
22:17 eythian https://i.imgur.com/IomGkRU.gifv
22:14 drojf mtompset: it was confusing to me too :P
22:11 barton HA
22:11 mtompset drojf: Congratulations on being mistaken for a polite group of people. :)
22:10 barton http://poetry.about.com/od/poetryplay/l/blwakawaka.htm
22:09 barton I think that takes the cake.
22:09 eythian dcook: and then you have Wagga Wagga
22:09 barton dcook: Des Moines, Iowa has "Upper Beaver" and "Lower Beaver" Avenues... I can't quite imagine giving the latter as my mailing address...
22:08 dcook Yeah, I think you might be right about the funny name thing after all, eythian :p
22:08 dcook We used to have a boat at Elbow... which you could get to once you passed through Eyebrow
22:07 dcook Climax giveaway -> http://www.broadcastermagazine.com/news/corner-gas-land-give-away/1000031302/?&er=NA
22:07 dcook My grandpa lived there for a while when I was a kid
22:07 dcook Big Beaver
22:07 dcook We have other good ones..
22:07 eythian heh
22:07 dcook eythian: If it helps, my mum lived in Climax when she was younger :p
22:06 dcook I think I've been to Head-Smashed-In...
22:06 dcook Saint-Louis-du-Ha! Ha! might take the cake...
22:06 * drojf hums 'there's no canada like french canada…'
22:05 dcook If only for the photo ops
22:05 dcook I've never been to Vulcan, but I hear it's great
22:05 * dcook reads more place names
22:05 dcook analogy*
22:05 dcook ibeardslee: But it might not follow with the Europe analog
22:05 dcook Named Swastika in 1907... makes sense
22:04 dcook Swastika would've only been a weird name after the 30s and 40s, me thinks
22:04 ibeardslee they are both america .. north and south
22:04 dcook I like how eythian manages to derail me when I should be doing other things
22:04 wahanui it has been said that Also that is a giant undertaking
22:04 dcook Also that
22:04 eythian ibeardslee: so, you're conflating two different places
22:03 eythian ibeardslee: isn't it two continents?
22:03 dcook Unless you're not from North America
22:03 dcook The convention would be to say North American
22:03 ibeardslee or american and mexican
22:03 dcook The United States really ruined it for everyone else
22:03 ibeardslee you can be american and canadian
22:03 eythian http://mentalfloss.com/article/48761/origins-8-strangest-place-names-canada <-- I'm just going to leave this here, dcook
22:03 dcook ibeardslee: It depends on the context in which you're referring to America
22:03 * magnuse has a cold too
22:03 ibeardslee just surely american is the entire continets .. just like you can be european and french
22:03 dcook It makes it extra good that it's Newfoundland & Labrador
22:02 dcook hehe
22:02 wahanui i guess newfoundland is the Untitled Document of place names.
22:02 eythian wahanui: newfoundland
22:02 dcook Sure, it only took me 10 years to learn how to spell Saskatchewan...
22:02 dcook eythian: Canadian names make total sense!
22:02 dcook Cool :)
22:02 barton dcook: don't worry about it, tcohen said that he would look at it. I certainly appreciate being busy :-)
22:02 * dcook stared blankly at her for a bit
22:02 dcook She said "But you're American"
22:02 dcook I replied "Really? I haven't noticed."
22:01 dcook Someone in the lift said "There are a lot of Americans in this building!"
22:01 dcook hehe
22:01 drojf ok then it was way more friendly to ask that way :P
22:01 drojf heh
22:00 eythian well, they didn't want to accuse you of being American first, most likely :D
22:00 drojf that was… different
22:00 drojf i was asked if i was canadian today
21:58 eythian http://www.futilitycloset.com/2015/03/07/a-universal-language/
21:58 cait heh
21:58 eythian dcook: I've figured why you moved to australia: Canada and Australia are both large countries that are mostly uninhabitable, and are full of places with ridiculous place names.
21:56 dcook heya drojf
21:56 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
21:56 dcook @later tell barton sure, I'm pretty busy at the moment, so I might need another reminder later
21:56 drojf hi dcook
21:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6499 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, barton, Failed QA , MARC21 035 -- Other-control-number -- Indexing & Matching
21:56 dcook bug 6499
21:56 * dcook waves
21:51 andreashm thanks mtompset
21:49 mtompset Greetings, cait andreashm eythian. :)
21:49 mtompset andreashm: Get better soon!
21:48 mtompset Tulong Aklatan's logo. Thank you, cait :)
21:45 andreashm cait: haha. yeah, much better. thankfully.
21:44 cait hope you feel better now!
21:44 cait yours
21:44 cait ok, i just decided it's not yurs
21:44 cait eek
21:42 eythian hi
21:41 andreashm just got back among the living today...
21:40 andreashm ah, too bad. hope it's not as bad as it turned out for me though. came home with 40 C fever... peaked at 41 on sunday.
21:39 cait well... i can't prove it :)
21:39 cait hi andreashm - i got your cold!
21:38 andreashm hi #koha
21:32 cait cool logo
21:31 mtompset P.S. What isn't mentioned is that I do a lot of the technical work in terms of set up and installs.
21:30 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Request from February 4, 2015." (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/5
21:26 mtompset I'm curious who added Mirko's entry to the paid support list an hour or so ago. Anyone?
21:23 mtompset wizzyrea: You here?
21:23 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
20:31 rangi heh
20:29 cait heh
20:27 * drojf hides ^^
20:27 drojf j/k
20:27 drojf so i can hand out the real paid support address at the webinar tomorrow, not the fake one i used before :D
20:25 drojf thanks :)
20:25 cait :)
20:23 rangi and from someone active in the community :)
20:23 rangi another support company
20:22 drojf and hi rangi :)
20:22 drojf what did i do?
20:20 rangi drojf++
20:17 drojf apart from the cold
20:16 drojf ah cool
20:16 cait just the cold is really really annoying
20:16 cait was nice :)
20:16 cait our first koha library was hosting the meeting
20:16 cait heidelberg
20:13 drojf travelling to nice places? :)
20:13 cait at work on monday, travelling the last 2 for the user meeting
20:12 drojf hi cait. where have you been since the hackfest?
20:11 cait haven't read all mail yet, but saw yours
20:11 cait drojf: congratulations :)
20:11 cait nengard: been since sunday night :( but we had our user meeting today - so glad to be home
20:11 drojf wizzyrea: that was fast. thanks for adding me :)
20:11 cait hi rangi and nengard
20:11 nengard I'm sick too :(
20:11 nengard hiya cait
20:11 rangi hi cait
20:10 * cait blames the cold
20:10 cait hi #koha
20:10 cait hi #kohs
20:10 cait hi #kohs
20:09 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
20:09 rangi @later tell magnuse thanks, fixed now
20:07 rangi morning
18:57 barton a question came up at bywater as to whether it was possible for notices generated by 'gatherprintnotices.pl' to get a status other than 'pending'. I thought that I had seen this discussed in the text of one of the message transport type bugs in bugzilla, but I can't seem to find that. Does that ring a bell with anyone?
18:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13578 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Parameter public is lost on creating a report
18:53 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13578: Make sure the 'public' parameter is passed to the last step
18:53 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 11430: DBRev 3.19.00.015
18:53 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 11430: (RM followup) DBIx schema update
18:53 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 11430: (QA followup) we test for warnings, always
18:53 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 11430: (QA followup) small typos in kohastructure.sql
18:53 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11430: DB changes: Add the primary key for search_history
18:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11430 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Search history: Delete selected lines
18:53 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11430 [Follow-up] Search history: Delete selected lines
18:53 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11430: Intranet changes
18:53 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11430: OPAC changes
18:53 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11430: UT: add unit tests to delete only selected lines
18:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13785 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, larry, Pushed to Master , koha-disable should also stop SIP/Zebra/Indexer for instance
18:53 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11430: delete search history by id - API changes
18:53 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13785: (QA followup) koha-disable should stop the indexer daemon
18:53 jenkins_koha * Larry Baerveldt: Bug 13785: koha-disable should also stop SIP and zebra for instance
18:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #325: UNSTABLE in 31 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/325/
18:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #249 for job Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:39 jenkins_koha Starting build #324 for job Koha_Master_U12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #301 for job Koha_Master_D6 (previous build: STILL FAILING)
18:30 chris_n sounds good; I'll have a shot at it
18:29 tcohen just drop me an email if you need help r something
18:29 tcohen anyway, i'm leaving home
18:29 tcohen you need to mock C4::Branch, and specifically ->mock('GetBranchName', sub{ my $branch = shift; if ($branch eq xxx) { return "label for xxx} })
18:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #314 for job Koha_Master_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:26 tcohen and make it return exactly what you need for the test
18:25 tcohen so, mock what you need
18:25 tcohen so, you are mocking the module, and defining what it will do
18:25 tcohen );
18:25 tcohen }
18:25 tcohen return { listincgst => 0, invoiceincgst => 0 };
18:25 tcohen sub {
18:25 tcohen 'fetch',
18:25 tcohen $bookseller_module->mock(
18:25 tcohen and then
18:25 tcohen my $bookseller_module = Test::MockModule->new('Koha::Acquisition::Bookseller');
18:24 * chris_n looks
18:24 tcohen chris_n: look at t/Prices.t
18:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13578: Make sure the 'public' parameter is passed to the last step <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe986573dd6a6b10dc0456be2609ee29cb459ac8> / Bug 11430: DBRev 3.19.00.015 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b51ad649168243023b5fdd7936c0230a08c3cbec> / Bug 11430: (RM followup) DBIx schema update <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=
18:22 jenkins_koha Starting build #325 for job Koha_Master_D7 (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:19 chris_n k
18:19 tcohen let me find an example, its really easy
18:19 tcohen to mock a couple things
18:19 tcohen you should just use Test::MockModule on t/Labels.t
18:18 tcohen no no
18:18 chris_n that would require a rewrite of most of the db_dependent Labels tests
18:18 tcohen let me find a good example
18:18 tcohen instead of DB access
18:17 tcohen we need to mock some things, like GetBranches, etc
18:17 chris_n but we'd need data to run over
18:17 chris_n there are some db_dependent Labels tests
18:16 chris_n nothing is called in those tests which requires db access
18:16 chris_n not really
18:15 tcohen hm, i thought we already had code mocking things in t/Labels.t
18:14 chris_n tcohen: regression tests for 10773 will probably need to be db dependent; what did you have in mind as a simple test?
18:05 tcohen =D
18:05 brendan_ HA tcohen I will have to tell baby turtle that someone said - baby koala rules
17:58 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:58 tcohen @later tell matts ìd is not a good name for a colum :-P
17:53 jenkins_koha Starting build #300 for job Koha_Master_D6 (previous build: STILL FAILING)
17:53 tcohen ginny++ # baby koala rules
17:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #324 for job Koha_Master_D7 (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #313 for job Koha_Master_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #323 for job Koha_Master_U12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #248 for job Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13657 - Don't show extra comma after guarantor name on patron details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0863d9711f6e63f627a6cca1450fde481e935e7> / Bug 11364: Label layout types and text justification types are not translatable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=901fdce2c658bb4f19396d23a492e2dc6ce28375> / Bug 13804 - Returns via the checkouts tables uses the p
17:21 huginn brendan_: The operation succeeded.
17:21 brendan_ @later tell rangi When traveling in europe - Ginny insists she’s a baby turtle — “no no daddy turtle - me name is not Ginny!!! it’s baby turtleâ€
16:28 NCARMichael A ha, problem solved! It was a caching issue, apparently.
16:20 slef jransom: I hope that email was OK
16:14 NCARMichael Koha version 3.14.04
16:13 slef bye mveron ;)
16:13 mveron Bye #koha
16:12 slef NCARMichael: what koha version?
16:11 NCARMichael Just tried same thing with 567 field...same result.
16:09 reiveune bye
16:02 NCARMichael and 099 doesn't show for me
16:02 NCARMichael I go in to Edit at the record level
16:02 NCARMichael sorry...i disappeared there for a bit...
15:53 slef I may have no answers but I can at least improve the questions :)
15:53 slef NCARMichael: Where do the fields fail to appear?
15:53 slef so I don't understand: why would it matter if you added a new one?
15:52 slef but fields should already be in there
15:52 slef nope I don't remember where 099 is described
15:52 wahanui The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29
15:52 huginn slef: unknown tag 952
15:52 slef @marc 952
15:52 huginn slef: unknown tag 099
15:52 slef @marc 099
15:51 * slef posts http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising
15:47 NCARMichael perhaps there's a particular subfield that must be added for the 099...?
15:46 NCARMichael I've watched this, from Nicole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtRLIv3sEuk
15:45 NCARMichael I've added subfields as well...
15:44 NCARMichael It seems so straightforward, and yet my new fields fail to appear.
15:42 NCARMichael Greetings! Perchance some kind soul can assist me with adding fields to my Default framework?
15:39 huginn slef: I have not seen fpeon.
15:39 slef @seen fpeon
15:34 slef ok, finding where to create the fundraising wiki page
15:20 fridolin for users of the z3950 of the BNF, does it work better than last weeks ?
15:03 vfernandes what could provoke that?
15:03 vfernandes one strange thing happened on one of my installations.... a loan is repeated twice in the database... same patron, same item, same date, same renewaldate...
15:00 vfernandes hi :)
14:42 tcohen great chris_n
14:41 chris_n tcohen: that sounds good; I'll try to whip one up this afternoon and add it to the bug
14:39 tcohen chris_n: I think we should have (easy to do) regression tests for 10773
14:24 nengard okay
14:24 wahanui i heard interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad
14:24 nengard interesting
14:24 paul_p nengard = I think jransom is a bot. Joann told us it was more than midnight for her, she left for going to bed ;-)
14:18 nengard long time no see
14:18 nengard hiya jransom
14:17 nengard :)
14:17 tcohen it seems to try to be smart regarding what i use the most for autocompleting
14:17 tcohen oh, smuxi autocompletion again, I intended to write to nlegrand
14:16 nengard which bug?
14:15 tcohen nengard: keep me informed if you find something about that bug
14:15 khall np!
14:15 tcohen thanks khall
14:14 khall tcohen: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Objects
14:14 khall hmm, let me take a look
14:14 tcohen khall: where did you put the db table naming schema on the wiki?
14:13 nlegrand I have a db working ok with 3.18, when I switch on master, I loose items in catalogue/detail.pl ('no physical items for this record') or circ/circulation.pl checkouts list (with the right number of checkouted items well written on tab). Someone has an idea what recent could do this?
14:13 chris_n tcohen++
14:13 chris_n fantastic
14:13 tcohen it is
14:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10773 major, P3, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , Add item-level descriptions for Label Printing
14:13 chris_n tcohen: is bug 10773 on your radar?
14:08 magnuse yay
14:08 tcohen they are =D
14:08 paul_p hi tcohen I hope you're well & cecilia/manuel are happy to get their husband/dad back home !
14:07 tcohen haha, smuxi autocompletion *cks
14:07 tcohen hi paul_p
14:07 tcohen jcaminsul
14:04 * nengard waves at magnuse
14:03 * magnuse waves at nengard
13:50 tcohen Joubu: let's see
13:50 mveron Oh, then discard my patch :-)
13:50 Joubu mveron: he was wrong :)
13:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11364 normal, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Signed Off , Label layout types and text justification types are not translatable
13:49 mveron Joubu: See Bernardo's comment #2 for Bug 11364
13:45 Joubu and perl -wc complains
13:44 Joubu C4/Creators/Lib.pm: return $text_justification_types;
13:44 Joubu mveron: $text_justification_types is still used
13:44 magnuse thanks jcamins :-)
13:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11364 normal, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Signed Off , Label layout types and text justification types are not translatable
13:44 Joubu mveron: I don't understand you patch on bug 11364
13:43 jcamins sftp [-1246Cpqrv] [-B buffer_size] [-b batchfile] [-c cipher] [-D sftp_server_path] [-F ssh_config] [-i identity_file] [-l limit] [-o ssh_option] [-P port] [-R num_requests] [-S program] [-s subsystem | sftp_server] host ...
13:43 jcamins sftp -- secure file transfer program
13:41 magnuse gah!
13:41 magnuse man sftp
13:35 barton tcohen++
13:35 nengard hiya
13:35 tcohen barton, I will
13:35 barton morning nengard!
13:35 barton ^^ tcohen, dcook (and whoever geeks out on Zebra index stuff) ... this patch adds an index for 035$a and 035$z ... it worked for me and wnickc, but not for cait. I have a feeling that whatever's causing her issues might also be at the root of some of my headaches. Would you mind taking a look?
13:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6499 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, barton, Failed QA , MARC21 035 -- Other-control-number -- Indexing & Matching
13:32 barton bug 6499
13:31 barton nuts. meant to add more to that later... bloody embeded linefeed in paste...
13:30 huginn barton: The operation succeeded.
13:30 barton @later tell dcook when you get a chance, could you look at Bug 6499
13:25 barton +1
13:24 Joubu s/I/It
13:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13021 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , DataTables server-side processing - guarantor search
13:24 Joubu tcohen: Hi! I would be nice to see bug 13021 pushed, it's the last use (I think) of SQLHelper. When it will be pushed, SQLHelper.pm could be removed
13:18 barton good $(date +%p), #koha :-)
13:15 huginn barton: dcook was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 33 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <dcook> later all
13:15 barton @seen dcook
13:05 tcohen great fridolin
13:03 fridolin if some important bugs for 3.14.x must be pointed to me, do not hesitate to contact me
13:03 tcohen hi magnuse
13:03 fridolin and the translations made during HFK
13:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12954 is not accessible.
13:02 fridolin I mean Bug 12954
13:02 tcohen yeah, you need to drink the whole 1L thermus in a row
13:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12594 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Get rid of z3950random
13:02 fridolin just for news : I will release this month 3.14 verison, with backport of Bug 12594
13:01 * magnuse waves at tcohen
12:59 fridolin but i realy enjoy it
12:59 fridolin its difficult to have it always warm
12:59 fridolin tcohen: of course ;) im not yet used to it
12:57 tcohen back at the office today
12:57 tcohen took the day off yesterday
12:57 tcohen yeah
12:57 tcohen hi fridolin, are you alreading drinking mate?
12:57 fridolin home sweet home ?
12:57 fridolin hie tcohen, good morning
12:49 ashimema_ all very helpfull
12:49 ashimema_ cheers people
12:45 akafred morning tcohen
12:44 tcohen hi akafred
12:44 tcohen morning
12:40 akafred So putting server(s) into apache config should do the trick.
12:39 akafred Ok - it is only used in Makefile.PL
12:36 akafred Not even set on the server?
12:35 drojf i don't habe use_memcached anywhere
12:34 drojf i have it in both places ^^
12:34 drojf sorry forgot to send that
12:34 akafred ashimema_: However in the code I see "USE_MEMCACHED" as an option ... I guess that would have to go in the apache config?
12:34 huginn 04Bug 11167: trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, In Discussion , Remove memcached config from koha-conf-site.xml.in
12:34 drojf oh yes accourding to http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11167 too
12:33 akafred ashimema_: According to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Performance#Memcache it is environment variables that count (that means apache SetEnv).
12:32 akafred ashimema_: In my setup I find MEMCACHED_SERVERS in apache and memcached_servers in koha-conf. Haven't tried either yet.
12:12 ashimema_ so need to read the minutes..
12:12 ashimema_ was in a call with a client :)
12:12 ashimema_ indeed.. I missed it..
12:11 eythian_ I'm now in procrastinate going to bed mode
12:11 akafred ashimema_: When you find out about memcached i'd love a ping with a link
12:11 eythian_ there was a meeting just then
12:11 eythian_ ashimema_: yeah
12:11 ashimema_ eythian.. your around alte aren't you..?
12:11 ashimema_ cheers peeps
12:11 drojf ashimema_ eythian or maybe that. sorry, i'm not helping
12:11 * thd needs to sleep to be productive later
12:10 akafred drojf: thank slef who volunteered :-)
12:10 drojf slef: no that's fine :)
12:10 drojf akafred: thanks
12:09 eythian_ it might be in the apache conf
12:09 eythian_ oh
12:09 ashimema_ it is conf now is it.. I know it had flip/flopped between koha-conf and apache vhosts a few times
12:09 slef else I'll do it a bit later
12:09 eythian_ that's pretty much it
12:09 slef akafred, drojf: feel free to open nominations for me ;)
12:09 drojf ashimema_: i think it is "install/start memcached and set it in koha-conf.xml"
12:09 ashimema_ been a while since I've experimented in that area. The dust seems to have settled a bit now so it's time for me to try again ;)
12:08 akafred drojf: slef said: " I'll open the nominations and chair next week's IRC meeting unless anyone else replaces me"
12:08 ashimema_ can anyone direct me at the current documentation related to enabling memcached for koha..
12:07 ashimema_ hi peeps..
12:07 drojf we would not want to do the same thing again, would we?
12:07 drojf has there been an #action for someone to send out the mail about next weeks meeting?
12:06 slef never mind - people can read the fine logs
12:06 slef I should have done a #info on why 7.h was invalid
12:05 slef oh shoot
12:04 gmcharlt slef++
12:04 * mveron will make use of the micro wave...
12:04 Teejay Early afternoon here. Nice joining you all
12:04 slef mveron: salad for me. I know what you lot can be like ;)
12:04 davidnind 1am is getting on a bit..
12:03 eythian_ everyone is making slef slower and more complicated
12:03 mveron Lunch got cold...
12:03 davidnind slef++
12:03 davidnind slef==
12:03 slef whew, lunchtime!
12:03 eythian_ whew, bedtime!
12:03 mveron slef++
12:03 drojf slef++
12:03 akafred slef++
12:03 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_11_march_2015.2015-03-11-10.02.log.html
12:03 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_11_march_2015.2015-03-11-10.02.txt
12:03 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_11_march_2015.2015-03-11-10.02.html
12:03 huginn Meeting ended Wed Mar 11 12:03:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
12:03 slef #endmeeting
12:03 slef #info Thank you all for lasting this long! See you next week!
12:03 slef #agreed 8 April 19UTC for next general meeting, 18 March 10:00 UTC for MOU agreement meeting
12:02 slef well we each take it in the neck sometimes Joubu !
12:02 drojf davidnind: you copied that from me. it's my intellectual property ^^
12:02 Joubu -1 #19 UTC is too late for me
12:02 davidnind +1 for 19utc on 8 april
12:02 thd +1 8 April 19 UTC
12:01 drojf +1 for 19utc on 8 april
12:01 gmcharlt yes
12:01 slef still OK with everyone?
12:01 slef 8 April is 2 days after Easter Monday
12:01 slef seeing as we've already gone with that
12:01 thd 4 UTC is guaranteed minimal attendance.
12:01 davidnind fine with any time, not sure what recent pattern has been
12:01 slef #topic 9. Set date/time of next general IRC meeting
12:01 gmcharlt I'm also fine with 19UTC
12:01 slef I see teh 4 UTC seems to have dropped
12:00 gmcharlt sorry, I was just going by what davidnind said
12:00 thd 19 UTC
12:00 slef 19 UTC recently
12:00 thd gmcharlt: should we not alternate to 21 UTC as recently?
12:00 slef usual pattern would be 8 April 4 UTC wouldn't it?
12:00 gmcharlt +1 to 18 March 10 UTC for MOU meeting
11:59 gmcharlt +1 to 8 April 10UTC for next general meeting
11:59 slef please
11:59 slef MOU meeting next week 18 March 10 UTC
11:59 slef I mean next general meeting
11:59 davidnind Next normal meeting 8 April 2015 10:00 UTC, MOU meeting next week 18 March 10:00 UTC
11:59 akafred The mou vote.
11:59 slef aha
11:59 akafred ?
11:59 akafred next meeting is next week isn't it.
11:59 slef not unless it's dead quick
11:58 thd slef: You cannot stay for selecting the next meeting time?
11:58 * slef waits for thd
11:58 thd !
11:58 slef unless anyone else wants to take the chair, finish this and set the next meeting date?
11:57 akafred Both REST and Plack had progress last week in Marseille.
11:57 davidnind s/be in what goes into a release
11:57 slef I'm going to close the meeting because I need to leave too
11:57 slef #idea ask if the RMs support this approach?
11:57 davidnind I think the idea of the road map has already been agreed, with release manager holding final say inwaht goes int to a release
11:57 * magnuse gotta wander off
11:56 slef otherwise it could become another place where contributors become alienated :(
11:56 akafred The other is that the work on Plack (which is rumored to have real implications for performance) should be brought forward.
11:56 slef shall we ask if the RMs support this approach?
11:56 slef rephrase
11:56 slef duhhhh
11:56 slef can we ask if the RMs support this approach?
11:55 davidnind I only added it as it seemed to still be open, if it's available for contribution and no further discussion required, then that is okay
11:55 slef or actually november
11:54 slef This looks to me a bit like a zombie agenda item that has been stumbling on since http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_17_December_2014 :(
11:54 akafred One is that we should "commit" to provide a REST api as per the REST RFC.
11:53 akafred I have suggested a couple of things;
11:53 slef akafred did some work on the roadmap?
11:53 mveron joann ++
11:53 drojf joann++
11:53 magnuse ...and joann
11:53 drojf BobB++
11:53 mveron BobB ++
11:52 magnuse thanks for you work on this BobB
11:52 slef anyone know about the Roadmap for Koha?
11:52 gmcharlt if community assent was not, in fact, desired -- I don't think there's in fact any bar to whoever who wants to do it from setting up funding pools
11:52 slef night BobB - same time next week?
11:52 * magnuse agrees with drojf too
11:52 BobB ok, I'm off to bed, good night all
11:52 * akafred too
11:52 * magnuse agrees with gmcharlt
11:51 drojf i don't have any objection to the davidnind four or the MOU. only to the rushed process today
11:51 slef #topic 8. Actions from General IRC meeting 11 February 2015
11:51 gmcharlt It's not clear to me that patches would even be required -- I think it's purely a matter of respect for the time of contributors to Koha that if one proposes something to which one also desires general community assent... that a reasonable amount of time be allowed for them to read closely
11:51 slef let's move on!
11:51 slef I suspect we'll end up with the davidnind four anyway but it'll be a stronger agreement for it
11:50 akafred slef++
11:50 slef I'll open the nominations and chair next week's IRC meeting unless anyone else replaces me
11:50 thd BobB: My vote was not against endorsing the MOU but merely waiting a week to give people more opportunity to consider details before endorsing.
11:50 chris_n lol
11:50 slef could you publish the source code for the MOU so we can patch it, please?
11:50 BobB that is not at all clear from the motion that has been determined just now
11:50 slef well I'd like the naming consistent ;)
11:50 drojf BobB: i think we all endorse the MOU. some of us just have difficulties with rushing through this now after sending out the MOU last night (my time zone)
11:49 slef just to the rush to names
11:49 BobB and what must be fixed?
11:49 slef not this week, sorry - I think there's no objection to the MOU itself
11:49 BobB then who is going to step up to fix whatever must be fixed?
11:49 BobB is the MOU not endorsed?
11:49 huginn B (7): magnuse, slef, akafred, eythian_, mveron, thd, drojf
11:49 huginn A (6): Joubu, ColinC, davidnind, paul_p_, BobB, chris_n
11:49 huginn Voted on "Do we A: approve rangi BobB gmcharlt paul_p_ to sign the MOU as soon as they wish or B: open MOU nominations and vote at an IRC meeting next week?" Results are
11:49 slef #endvote
11:49 BobB so exactly what does that mean chairman
11:49 slef sorry BobB
11:48 slef #vote B
11:48 slef I'm going to make a casting vote then...
11:48 BobB gmcharlt, I have no problem with that, I do not much care who signs it, as long as they are willing to 'use their best endeavours' to make the community do what it is ageeing to do
11:48 magnuse lol
11:48 huginn B (6): magnuse, akafred, eythian_, mveron, thd, drojf
11:48 huginn A (6): Joubu, ColinC, davidnind, paul_p_, BobB, chris_n
11:48 slef #showvote
11:47 eythian_ #vote B
11:47 gmcharlt thd: er, I will choose assume that potential contributors are familiar enough with the ways of our community not to be put off by a week for folks to consider
11:46 * slef switches autocomplete back on
11:46 slef offering
11:46 slef Anyone want to persuade people to change sides? Anyone ovvering to change sides?
11:46 thd #vote B
11:46 gmcharlt i.e., if somebody else chooses to sign, they should be able to do so
11:46 huginn B (4): magnuse, drojf, akafred, mveron
11:46 huginn A (7): Joubu, ColinC, davidnind, paul_p_, eythian_, BobB, chris_n
11:46 slef #showvote
11:46 gmcharlt for my part - I will make an informed decision and am willing to be on a list of signatories, but feel pretty strongly that the list should not be exclusive
11:45 thd Is the apparent haste in the moment for something which has been discussed with long interruptions and not much attention between motivated by the fact that there are three parties willing to contribute funds who may loose interest if delayed?
11:45 eythian_ #vote A
11:45 BobB thx :)
11:45 slef BobB: so noted
11:45 slef #info BobB again votes in favour of the MOU being signed, not for himself as a signatory
11:45 * akafred just wants to clarify that his vote is about the process, not the people.
11:45 ColinC #vote A
11:45 slef davidnind: that's why I suggest screaming ! to make me wait. Sorry if you did and I missed it.
11:45 * BobB again votes in favour of the MOU being signed, not for himself as a signatory
11:44 davidnind #vote A
11:44 chris_n #vote A
11:44 mveron #vote B
11:44 Joubu #vote A
11:44 BobB #vote A
11:44 davidnind I can't type very fast, sorry here..
11:44 drojf #vote B
11:44 paul_p_ #vote A
11:44 akafred #vote B
11:44 magnuse #vote B
11:44 slef davidnind: sorry
11:43 davidnind i would suggest two separate votes 1) Support MOU and purpose (subject to any minor edits deemed necessary) 2) Nominations for signatories with voting in a week - Bob, Galen, Chris, Paul (subject to agreement to represent and open for further nominations)
11:43 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
11:43 huginn Begin voting on: Do we A: approve rangi BobB gmcharlt paul_p_ to sign the MOU as soon as they wish or B: open MOU nominations and vote at an IRC meeting next week? Valid vote options are A, B.
11:43 slef #startvote Do we A: approve rangi BobB gmcharlt paul_p_ to sign the MOU as soon as they wish or B: open MOU nominations and vote at an IRC meeting next week? A, B
11:43 Joubu 3 of them have been RM (at least once)...
11:43 magnuse akafred's proposal sounds good to me
11:42 akafred To make sure everyone feels they "represent and are supported by the commnity"
11:42 akafred No, signatories
11:42 BobB akafred are you calling for a vote on Fundraising committee members in a week? That is rushing things imo
11:41 akafred If A is chosen we can go ahead now.
11:41 slef gmcharlt: would BobB be OK with that? IMO any signatory could hold IRC consultations before they sign if they want.
11:41 thd BobB: Oh, if we are only electing signatories, why not appoint several notable people by invitation from HLT rather than merely three additional people now?
11:41 akafred Lets give this authority by first voting "A. decide signatories now B. open nominations now and vote in a week."
11:40 gmcharlt slef: an idea: shall we call for an IRC meeting next week dedicated to the MOU?
11:40 * slef waits for akafred
11:40 slef And then I'm going to move on rather than drag the meeting beyond 2 hours.
11:40 akafred !
11:40 gmcharlt but I really do think it can take a week -- this is a big step, since, as it's being presented, it's more than just X Koha support providers banding together on a one-time project
11:40 slef I'm going to call a second test vote unless anyone wants to phrase a vote for me...?
11:39 magnuse gmcharlt++
11:39 BobB we are not electing anyone to office here
11:38 gmcharlt and I do not want to delay it unecessary
11:38 BobB Signatories have no role other than to 'iuse their best efforts to ensure the community does stuff"
11:38 slef BobB: see my earlier reply to mveron. That feels to me like railroading and a compromise that serves no-one well. We may as well authorise the MOU now and let people block appointment of the fundraising committee.
11:38 gmcharlt I am (a) willing to spend time closely reading it today and (b) willing to sign in within a week unless I have substantive objections
11:38 gmcharlt but with respect to all who have already clearly worked hard on it... community approval a DAY after an announcement is meaningless
11:38 paul_p_ BobB sounds fair enough.
11:38 thd drojf: I perfectly agree with your sentiment generally. However, I think we could vote them out just as easily at the next meeting if we think we acted too hastily.
11:37 gmcharlt heh
11:37 BobB #idea what about a vote for four signatories now, with a direction that they not sign the MOU for one week, during which time people may raise objections, and if three people request, call another meeting?
11:37 joann Its past midnight here so I am going to head of to bed. THT will do whatever the community wants. I am completely calm abou whetherthis gets through tonight or not. No problems.
11:37 * slef looks at autocomplete
11:37 slef perks???
11:37 slef do you want your name on it gmcharlt perks?
11:37 paul_p_ we have 3 companies ready to fund, a NPO ready to host us, the MOU are very light, I feel it's just a "checking for checking" time delay. (sorry to be rude)
11:36 slef but with or without gmcharlt?
11:36 drojf i'm not voting on anyone now. sorry. that does not feel right
11:36 slef so I feel I must offer the meeting the choice
11:36 davidnind I think 4 is fine, not too many, not too small
11:36 akafred The question is - will a hurried, unannounced vote for unprepared signatories today make everyone feel they "represent and are supported by the community".
11:36 slef I share akafred drojf misgivings about the lack of preparation but I recognise that the majority here are willing to do this now
11:35 paul_p_ so let's pick 3 :D :D
11:34 joann we picked a number
11:34 gmcharlt slef: gotcha - thanks; I will in fact be reading in closely today
11:34 slef so why was it 4?
11:34 joann of course it would
11:34 slef yo! gmcharlt! To read and if willing sign the HLT MOU
11:34 drojf we are obviously not prepared to do this now
11:34 paul_p_ if we down the number of sign-up ppl to 3, that would fit, isn't it ? ;-)
11:34 matts gotta leave the meeting
11:34 joann i agree but he has not said =he is unwilling
11:34 slef joann: yes but if magnuse is not willing it's not fair
11:34 gmcharlt redo w me and nengard what...?
11:33 * gmcharlt perks up
11:33 drojf sorry but that does not make sense now
11:33 magnuse akafred: +1
11:33 drojf akafred: +1
11:33 joann dont we have 9 votes for magnus, bobmpaul and chris?
11:33 akafred I guess we were not ready. I suggest the "open for nominations and vote in a week"-approach.
11:33 * slef apologises
11:33 magnuse works for me
11:32 slef ok... shall I redo with "gmcharlt and/or nengard"?
11:32 thd slef: It depends on whether you are reading uphill or downhill :)
11:32 joann the work will be in getting the Koha community to help develop and support the grants committee bylaws
11:32 huginn No (1): slef
11:32 huginn Yes (9): Joubu, ColinC, davidnind, joann, matts, paul_p_, BobB, mveron, thd
11:32 huginn Voted on "Nominate rangi BobB magnuse paul_p_ to sign the MOU on our behalf and call for nominations to the fundraising committee ASAP?" Results are
11:32 slef #endvote
11:32 slef #vote no
11:32 slef ok, abort
11:32 magnuse well, i'm not ready to be voted in anywhere
11:31 slef you're a librarian, you think reading isn't work ;)
11:31 joann yet
11:31 joann noone has to do any work.
11:31 joann or run with 3
11:31 slef we're asking him to do work - it's only polite that he be OK doing that work
11:31 joann that aside, why not Magnus?
11:30 joann it did - and i interptreted your 'count me in' as another vendor with $
11:30 drojf also, we only have 3 then
11:30 drojf so we start over?
11:30 drojf heh i read it like slef
11:30 slef sorry
11:30 slef yeah I see now
11:30 magnuse joann said "I have 3 vendors who want to contribute now" - it hought that meant want to contribute financially
11:29 joann better read it sunshine!
11:29 ColinC #vote Yes
11:29 BobB #vote Yes
11:29 slef I misunderstood "<magnuse> joann: count me in as well :-)"
11:29 * BobB does not want to vote for himself as signatory, but votes in favour of the MOU being signed
11:29 joann Magnus wil do ::D
11:29 magnuse well, i havn't actually read the MOU...
11:29 matts #vote Yes
11:29 slef magnuse: I changed it because you're here and Galen/Nicole aren't. Are you unwilling? Sorry :(
11:29 Joubu #vote Yes
11:29 magnuse oy!
11:29 davidnind #vote yes
11:29 mveron #vote Yes
11:28 joann #vote yes
11:28 paul_p_ #vote Yes
11:28 thd #vote Yes
11:28 magnuse um, not me, i think?
11:28 * paul_p_ reading the backlog, and proud to discover he is "one of the davidnind four" :D
11:28 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
11:28 huginn Begin voting on: Nominate rangi BobB magnuse paul_p_ to sign the MOU on our behalf and call for nominations to the fundraising committee ASAP? Valid vote options are Yes, No.
11:28 slef #startvote Nominate rangi BobB magnuse paul_p_ to sign the MOU on our behalf and call for nominations to the fundraising committee ASAP? Yes, No
11:27 slef ok, just documenting this:
11:27 BobB take as much time as you like for that
11:27 joann 4 vendors (thank you magnus)
11:27 magnuse lol
11:27 BobB Community control will be exercised by the Fundraising Committe - which is a whole new discussion
11:27 slef paul_p_: oi! Are you willing to sign your life away? ;)
11:27 joann paul is online now - or was
11:27 magnuse joann: count me in as well :-)
11:26 joann i have asked chris, bob is here
11:26 slef oh yeah subject to their agreement
11:26 thd eythian_: Yes, the issue I mentioned about foreign grantors is unavoidable, therefore, should have no effect on funding via HLT.
11:26 joann I have 3 vendors who want to contribute now
11:26 magnuse we can't put names on the MOU before asking them, though?
11:26 slef How about nominate the davidnind four for the MOU but call for nominations for the fundraising committee at the same time as the release team?
11:26 BobB I really don't care whose names are on the MOU, but I would like the MOU itself to be endorsed, so that fundraising can begin
11:26 slef !
11:25 davidnind I think we want people initially that the community trusts and respects to do the right thing, all of those nominated would definitely qualify (not that there aren't others as well)
11:25 joann we cangt sign the mou without signatories who represent and are supported by the commnity
11:25 mveron drojf: Good idea
11:25 thd Consequently, I see no reason not to go forward with HLT quickly with the understanding that the community can always propose revisions to the bylaws and members of the HLT grants committee.
11:25 magnuse drojf: that works for me
11:25 eythian_ thd: that seems like an issue that would occur no matter where it was actually hosted
11:24 BobB this approach is effective and inexpensive
11:24 drojf i'd prefer a split. like, vote/decide to set up the account and follow the mou now, noinate/vote on people withing a certain time span
11:24 slef 1 week, let's keep some momentum now you've made it
11:24 BobB but there have been numerous past attempts to form a US 501 foundation taht have not succeeded
11:24 joann whats another week or two
11:24 magnuse i would love to see the donations coming in starting yesterday, but i tend to agree with slef
11:24 BobB yes thd that is true ...
11:23 joann nothing to lose but time
11:23 thd Some granting organisations would never be able to grant to HLT where HLT is foreign and other models will be needed to pursue those.
11:23 joann oops
11:23 joann but also we have to lose except time
11:23 wahanui hmmm... agree is not the best approach
11:23 mveron slef: Agree...
11:23 joann I agree totally with Bob
11:23 slef mveron: I'd prefer to call for nominations, maybe with a short deadline. We may end up with the same names anyway.
11:23 joann i dont want to be a bad old king ;)
11:22 BobB that is not already done?
11:22 BobB if we delay this now, what will anyone actually do?
11:22 thd I see this as merely one avenue of funding for which many need to be pursued.
11:22 joann nothing can happen until the oha community get the grants committee sorted out
11:22 slef mveron: that's a bit like "this is what we want. Does anyone dare oppose us?" like bad old Kings.
11:22 joann This basically just sets up a bank account.
11:21 mveron Why not decide now and send a message to the mailing list? If somebody disagrees he/she could ask for an other vote.
11:21 BobB Con
11:21 thd getting attention to an issue is always the problem more than the time period passed.
11:21 slef We've mentioned something ever since Edinburgh at least so doing this overnight now feels a bit rushed
11:21 BobB there was a long paper by bag after Koha
11:21 joann we dont have a deadline to reach
11:21 eythian_ it would seem reasonable to give it a couple of days, given timezones will make responses/acceptances a little slow anyway.
11:21 joann we mentioned it after argentina and in an ir meting but yes, its been quiet since.
11:20 slef I've said why I'm uncomfortable with this.
11:20 drojf i think that is happening pretty fast now and with not too many people taking part
11:20 akafred slef: I agree this sounds a little rushed
11:20 joann is anhyone unhappy?
11:20 davidnind works for me
11:19 slef is that OK davidnind ?
11:19 BobB but you are special, eythian_ :)
11:19 joann absolutely
11:19 slef joann: with nengard asked next if any of those four are not willing?
11:19 eythian_ BobB: levin is not so international for me...
11:19 joann absolutely not
11:19 BobB The purpose of the fund eythian_ is definitely not to fund the international travel of committee members :)
11:19 slef like without warning
11:19 joann bob, chris, galen, paul (the david nind combo)
11:18 magnuse here and now
11:18 thd slef: "0 hours"?
11:18 joann lol
11:17 eythian_ joann: also we don't have enough exuses for trips to levin :)
11:17 slef if no-one else has a problem with 0-hour naming, I'll stand aside, though
11:17 BobB ah ok mveron, good idea
11:17 joann and bob is only 3 hours away :)
11:17 joann useful too coz he is an hour away from the trust if we ned face to face
11:17 slef we can do it by naming but I feel doing that in 0 hours is a bit risky
11:17 joann I have spoken with him today, and if the community was happy for him to do this he will happily be a signatory.
11:17 mveron get
11:17 mveron BobB: In staff client - to gt donations.
11:16 BobB if you mean the bank balance, there is provision inthe MOU for reporting that
11:16 akafred So is tcohen
11:16 slef oh ok so names?
11:16 davidnind Suggestions from me - Bob, Chris,Galen, Paul, Nicole? subject to agreeing
11:16 BobB mveron what do you mean by 'bank account should be published'?
11:16 slef joann: rangi was(is?) a RM and a former kohacon organiser so would fit both
11:15 joann and Bob Birchall as another
11:15 * mveron thinks that the bank account should be published on the Koha About page
11:15 slef Does anyone want to make other suggestions for signatories?
11:15 joann I would like to suggest Chris Cormack as one signatory
11:15 BobB what we want now is to be able to get fundraising started
11:15 slef OK, I think there are two obvious groups of existing role-holders for signatories... RMs who we trust with our assets already; and kohacon organisers who we trusted with money already (and our users/developers safety!).
11:15 BobB but that is less urgent
11:14 BobB more thought is needed about getting the money back out, more rules probably
11:14 BobB there is then a safe and accountable bank account for money to be received into
11:14 BobB that then allows fundraising to begin
11:13 BobB #info and second, some names to be signatories on behalf of the community
11:13 davidnind I support this, it is a very positive move
11:13 BobB #info We seek endorsement of the community entering into the MOU with HLT, first
11:13 joann and ythe community will need to start thinking about the grants committee make up and rules
11:12 BobB I assume anyone with a conflict of interest at a meeting would declare it, but the rules can mandate that if we wish
11:12 joann so if we can get suport here today, and 4 people who are nomited by the community - and accept - to ener into this agreement on behalf of the comunity, i will set up a bank account,
11:12 slef joann, BobB: ok, so what are we looking for now? General "yes, take this forwards" or more specifics? Nominations here and now, or next month, or at the same time as the release team election, or later?
11:12 drojf yay for transparency
11:12 fridolin sorry i was in a call conf
11:11 fridolin re
11:11 joann that is why we limited it to 1 place - so can only ever be 1 vote
11:11 joann the mou is the first step.
11:10 slef Would people from "Listed Koha Support Company"s on either committee be seen as a conflict of interest by NZ law?
11:10 BobB so we are trying to set up a structure that at least keeps things open
11:10 thd akafred: I hope that the process of participation in at least voicing an opinion about how to spend any money would be more inclusive than selecting RM etc. has been in practise.
11:10 joann tht is audited by audit nz - govt auditors. every thing is highly transparent - has to be
11:10 magnuse yay for that
11:10 BobB when we start handing out money, there is potential for disagreement, jealousy, all the worst things to come out
11:10 * akafred likes published rules and transparent process
11:09 BobB to ensure things are transparent and there is accountability
11:09 BobB but it is open to the community to make more rules about appointments
11:09 slef akafred: I've been involved in both successful and abysmal grant-making processes from both sides. I think it's best to delegate it to people with some published rules and transparent process else it easily becomes disruptive noisy mob rule.
11:09 BobB and all the MOU requires is that the group is not dominated by any organisation
11:09 BobB a mechanism is needed for the community to provide people to make grants decisions ...
11:09 joann rubber stamping
11:08 BobB THT doesn't want to have to be involved in the decision making, so ...
11:08 akafred A process like the one used to choose RMs or somthing perhaps.
11:08 joann hlt dont have the expertise or desire
11:08 joann I think that is reasonale slef
11:07 slef I think it'd help if 6.11 made it clear that the Grants $whatever will contain non-HLTers
11:07 drojf more general question: is it supposed to be transparent about what goes in, what goes out? or is there more "woah huge grant from xy" and unknown numbers coming up?
11:07 akafred I think it is a bit unclear how the community can influence grants, but I acknowledge this is way outside my area of expertise.
11:07 joann (just to keep us humble)
11:07 slef yeah, just waving that at you
11:07 joann and ive gone over the document a dozen times slef
11:06 BobB typo slef, will fix that
11:06 joann sub committee of THT by appointment and secondment is fine
11:06 slef also the naming in the PDF isn't consistent: in places, it's Grants sub-committee and in others, it's Grants Committee
11:06 BobB and the Trust approves the recommendations and sends the cheques (as it were)
11:05 BobB who then make recommedations about who/whatto fund
11:05 * slef finishes his essay
11:05 slef Just a note: I feel it's a bit unclear for the grants subcommittee to not be a subset of the finance committee - I could be wrong but I think practice on that varies between places and we'd usually call a delegated body with members that are not members of the delegating body a "working group" or similar - but I bow to HLT's knowledge of its own governing law of course.
11:05 joann and trust might like 1 person on it - but possibly not too
11:05 BobB who then appoints the grants committee
11:05 BobB Fundraising committee makes a recommendation to THT finance committee
11:04 joann i see it that the community wil work out the bylaws for the grants committee - which tht adopt
11:04 BobB So what I expect is: community decides who goes on teh committee
11:04 BobB but it is accountable to the Trust, who need advice before distributing hte money
11:04 joann trustees have no desire to dominate or dictate but to enable
11:03 BobB the idea though is for grants committee members to come (mostly, at least) from the community, not from the Trust
11:03 joann the community would take recomendations to THT trustees to appoit
11:03 BobB akafred that is very open at the moment
11:03 joann absolutely.
11:03 akafred The grants committee ... shouldn't it have some appointments for the community as a whole to decide?
11:03 wahanui BobB: i'm not following you...
11:03 BobB relevant as usual, wahanui
11:02 wahanui One question is whether anybody cares to make a committment to revise the schema to match
11:02 akafred One question
11:02 davidnind sounds good to me too
11:01 magnuse sounds good to me
11:01 BobB any questions?
11:01 joann a couple of vendors have already indicated they want to contribute
11:01 joann start collecting donations
11:00 joann lots of work to be done stil on the grants committee etc, but the proposed mou would allow a mechanism to get us started
11:00 BobB with admin support from THT
11:00 BobB So the onus is on the community to have a Fundraising Committee (or group, or even an agenda item at these meetings) to make this work
11:00 joann so the grant comittee and fundraising committee would be driven by the koha commnity
10:59 joann horowhenua trust dont want to interfere too much
10:59 BobB #info and the draft MOU describes at a high level how it will work
10:59 BobB #info THT have very kindly agreed to host the Fund
10:59 joann at KohaCon the proposal was discussed that it would be cool if there was a way / mechanism for donations to fund koha development
10:58 BobB #info the idea is to have a Fund that can receive donations to fund Koha development
10:58 eythian_ the sneaky conspirators
10:58 slef #link http://kete.library.org.nz/site/documents/show/367-draft-mou-for-koha-fund
10:58 slef #link http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2015-March/042249.html
10:58 joann sure
10:58 slef joann or BobB would you like to introduce this?
10:57 slef #topic 7. A fund for Koha development
10:57 slef shall we move on?
10:57 huginn April (2): Joubu, matts
10:57 huginn May (11): magnuse, davidnind, joann, josef_moravec, akafred, BobB, eythian_, mveron, thd, drojf, m23
10:57 huginn Voted on "Open nominations immediately with voting in...?" Results are
10:57 slef #endvote
10:57 thd Joubu abstains :)
10:57 matts okay for me as well
10:57 slef ok... I'm about to close the vote
10:57 Joubu I am fine with May
10:56 Joubu slef: actually I don't care :)
10:56 slef davidnind++
10:56 slef Would Joubu or matts like to argue for April more?
10:56 davidnind Creating roles for 3.22 page now
10:55 slef in the time it took me to type, discussion moved on
10:55 slef OK my hearing is poor :)
10:55 josef_moravec #vote May
10:55 m23 #vote May
10:55 eythian_ #vote May
10:55 huginn April (4): Joubu, matts, m23, eythian_
10:55 huginn May (8): magnuse, davidnind, joann, akafred, BobB, mveron, thd, drojf
10:55 slef #showvote
10:55 joann #vote may
10:55 drojf so did everyone change their vote now? ^^
10:55 slef you can recast your votes at any time until I say endvote
10:55 thd #vote May
10:54 BobB #vote May
10:54 joann should we recast the vote
10:54 BobB yes ok
10:54 slef So I think I'm hearing a vote for desired/contested positions in April, with any vacancies filled by further encouragement with another vote in May?
10:54 thd BobB are you changing your argument?
10:54 BobB Christmas is soon too :)
10:54 davidnind If you go for April then that is about a month for nominations, with the elections at the April general IRC meeting - too soon
10:54 * BobB agrees April is soon
10:53 * mveron agrees with joann as well
10:53 thd Basically we have voted over two months for a while as I recall.
10:53 eythian_ joann makes a good point
10:53 * magnuse agrees with joann
10:53 thd Which really means voting in April and May
10:53 drojf *more time
10:52 thd #vote April
10:52 magnuse i was thinking it is good to have a couple of months to find volunteers
10:52 thd I am changing by the argument from BobB
10:52 joann April is so soon. I think it is a big commitment to stand for release manager and it is helpful to see a deveopment proposal.
10:52 drojf i voted may so i have more tie so see if i will volunteer for something
10:52 BobB joubu +1
10:52 slef see if we can persuade anyone to change which lobby they're in
10:52 Joubu I propose midnight UTC on May 1 :)
10:52 BobB a reason for April is sometimes not all roles are filled at time of voting, and it leaves time to hunt up a voluteer
10:51 thd If we had put the question a month ago I might have cast my vote differently.
10:51 slef Would anyone like to explain their reason for one over the other?
10:51 drojf heh
10:51 drojf may 7, april 5. so far. i think
10:51 huginn April (5): Joubu, eythian_, matts, BobB, m23
10:51 huginn May (7): magnuse, davidnind, joann, akafred, mveron, thd, drojf
10:51 slef #showvote
10:50 mveron #vote May
10:50 thd #vote May
10:50 matts #vote April
10:50 magnuse #vote May
10:50 joann #vote May
10:50 BobB #vote April
10:50 akafred #vote May
10:50 drojf #vote May
10:50 Joubu #vote April
10:50 davidnind #vote May
10:50 m23 #vote April
10:49 eythian_ #vote April
10:49 * slef tries huginn again
10:49 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:49 huginn Begin voting on: Open nominations immediately with voting in...? Valid vote options are April, May.
10:49 slef #startvote Open nominations immediately with voting in...? April, May
10:49 magnuse BobB: sounds good to me
10:49 BobB So nominations can be opened pretty much now?
10:49 davidnind Would suggest nominations open two months before, with the election held at the general IRC meeting in the month of the new release
10:48 drojf voting in april seems fine to me
10:48 drojf slef: i mean a release in april would be early, because we should have a team for 3.22 at that point i suppose
10:48 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City, (finally warm enough to recover from freezing illness)
10:48 * thd forgot info on his introduction
10:48 BobB magnuse: are you suggesting an April vote for a team to take its place from 22 May, the release date?
10:47 slef drojf: why?
10:47 slef 17 March 2014 wiki nominations opened for 3.18
10:47 slef 27 October 2014 wiki nominations opened for 3.20
10:46 slef So we'd be expecting elections next month?
10:46 drojf april would be to soon to get a new team ;)
10:46 magnuse if tcohen sticks to tradition
10:45 magnuse may i think?
10:45 davidnind For the last two releases the elections were held in the month before the new release, or just before the release
10:45 slef #info 3.18 elections were in April 2014
10:45 drojf when is 3.20 to be released? april? may?
10:45 slef #info 3.20 elections were in November 2014
10:44 slef Opinions on release team election timing? What was done recently and did it work?
10:44 drojf :)
10:44 drojf makes sense
10:44 slef drojf: I only saw yes, so I #agreed it
10:44 drojf i count 13 yes and 0 no
10:44 slef #topic 6. Release team for 3.22 - when do we hold the elections?
10:43 huginn eythian_: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
10:43 eythian_ @more
10:43 drojf :D
10:43 slef If anyone knows what broke there, please tell someone who can fix huginn ;)
10:43 drojf results are… ?
10:43 slef #agreed solicit Kohacon16 bids in April, with voting in September
10:43 * slef glares at huginn
10:43 huginn Voted on "Shall we solicit Kohacon16 bids in April, with voting in September?" Results are
10:43 slef #endvote
10:42 magnuse #vote yes
10:42 ColinC #vote Yes
10:42 Teejay #vote yes
10:42 josef_moravec #vote Yes
10:42 mveron #vote yes
10:42 m23 #vote yes
10:41 davidnind #vote Yes
10:41 oadara #vote yes
10:41 BobB #vote yes
10:41 slef it appears huginn requires #vote Yes - we could hack that, you know ;)
10:41 thd #vote yes
10:41 drojf #vote yes
10:41 joann #vote Yes
10:41 eythian_ #vote Yes
10:41 thd +1
10:41 drojf yep, about a year to prepare after winning (depending on actual dates proposed)
10:41 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:41 huginn Begin voting on: Shall we solicit Kohacon16 bids in April, with voting in September? Valid vote options are Yes, No.
10:41 slef #startvote Shall we solicit Kohacon16 bids in April, with voting in September?
10:40 thd Voting in September seems OK.
10:40 joann or just +1
10:40 joann do you want e to move that?
10:40 thd Maybe we could start a month earlier for soliciting bids.
10:40 drojf but it does not hurt to start sooner i guess
10:39 drojf i see that we have voted end of september, beginning of october a few times. so starting bid in may makes sense to me
10:39 thd Maybe we could start a month earlier.
10:39 slef So should we change the timing this year or go with similar again?
10:39 thd s/too/to/
10:38 thd The timing was only problematic too the extent that there may not have been the degree of interest in bidding to host KohaCon as had been the case in the past.
10:37 thd Especially, people who may have bid in the past but were not selected.
10:37 slef I don't remember if the timing worked. Does anyone?
10:37 thd The real work was encouraging people to bid.
10:36 joann did the timing work last time?
10:36 slef It looks like thd did some of the kick-off work. Any opinions on when we should start for next year?
10:35 slef #info We started KohaCon15 process in May 2014
10:35 slef #topic 5. KohaCon16 - when do we start soliciting for bids?
10:33 * slef hands that can of worms back to drojf
10:33 drojf slef: its what the website says
10:33 slef anything else or shall we move on?
10:33 slef drojf: ohhhh stop it
10:33 * slef blames oadara ;)
10:33 slef #info oadara says tourist visa is OK
10:32 drojf slef: i meant it's not for women ;)
10:32 oadara drojf : :-)
10:32 eythian_ (I had to get one for India)
10:32 slef drojf: most places that is so, but I think a few are different.
10:32 eythian_ some places have conference visas
10:32 drojf business visa are only for business men
10:31 oadara tourist is ok
10:31 slef oadara: is a tourist visa OK because delegates are not being employed locally, or should it be a business visa?
10:30 oadara but we will need to write letters for the visa application hence need to start the process early
10:30 slef #idea add information about how best to notify organisers/IaiTA in advance about special requirements (allergies or similar)
10:30 oadara processing the visa itself should not be difficult
10:29 oadara all ideas noted for action
10:28 slef it's a big problem for people who need visas
10:28 slef but I think it would be good to show it on the first page
10:28 Teejay But we need to notify the IaiTA in advance
10:28 slef http://kohacon15.projektlinkkonsult.com/kohacon15-registration-form/ has a link - oops
10:28 slef #idea please could visa requirement and procedure be linked from http://kohacon15.projektlinkkonsult.com/registration/
10:28 Teejay Yes
10:28 drojf oadara or Teejay: are there food options for people with allergies? like lactose or gluten free
10:27 Teejay Thank you all
10:27 akafred visa requirement and procedure could be included on registration page ...
10:27 oadara slef : noted
10:27 slef Any other news or shall we move on?
10:27 slef That was the same for international participants in kohacon12 too - last successful registration needing a visa was about 25th April IIRC.
10:26 slef #info International participants would need visa processed too so the earlier the registration, the better
10:26 slef #idea deadline for both papers and registration as close to 31 Aug as possible
10:26 slef If it's 31 Aug, could that be the deadline for both papers and registration? Anyway, I will note it as an idea and leave it to you of course
10:26 oadara International participants would need visa processed too so the earlier the registration, the better
10:24 oadara slef : That would not be possible but we can look at how close we can get to the date
10:24 Teejay AUGUST 31 was given by IITA venue and accommodation
10:24 slef We closed papers 20 April for a start date of 5 June... so what's that? 6 weeks before?
10:23 slef I think we kept kohacon12 registration open until workers left their desks the Friday before the event. I don't know if that's possible with the prepayment for meals/rooms?
10:22 oadara Have 4 people register so far
10:22 wahanui Any suggestions are welcome.
10:22 slef Any suggestions?
10:22 oadara open to suggestions
10:22 oadara Not decided on that yet
10:21 kivilahtio #info Olli-Antti Kivilahti, Vaara-kirjastot Finland
10:21 ColinC #info Colin Campbell PTFS Europe
10:21 slef oadara: for how long are they open?
10:21 slef #link http://kohacon15.projektlinkkonsult.com/call-for-papers/
10:21 slef #link http://kohacon15.projektlinkkonsult.com/registration/
10:21 slef #info Kohacon15 registration and Call for Papers are now open
10:20 oadara Kohacon15 registration now open
10:20 Teejay #thank you
10:20 slef drojf: yes, that sort of thing, or who wants a question asked
10:20 drojf hi Teejay :)
10:20 drojf slef: how do you mean? like who is supposed to tell something?
10:20 oadara Yes. First thanks for welcoming Teejay
10:20 slef no worries BobB. Hi. Introductions are good at any point in the meeting IMO.
10:19 slef Anyone got news about kohacon15?
10:19 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx - sorry I'm late
10:19 Joubu fridolin is busy at the moment, I asked him to backport the bug fix
10:19 slef As an aside, it would be really helpful if there were nicknames on the agenda items.
10:19 drojf does not seem like other release managers/maintainers are around
10:19 slef #topic 4. KohaCon15
10:18 mtj afaik, thats it for me slef
10:18 slef OK - any more release updates or shall we move on?
10:17 slef #action mtj and slef to backport bug 12954 if no-one does it faster
10:17 mtj slef: sounds good
10:17 slef #action someone to fix typo on http://koha-community.org/koha-3-18-4-released/
10:16 slef I think I will make the time to work on this too
10:16 slef mtj: one of us backport, the other reviews the patch?
10:15 slef I'd like someone to fix the typo on http://koha-community.org/koha-3-18-4-released/
10:15 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
10:15 magnuse @later tell rangi http://koha-community.org/koha-3-18-4-released/ says bug number 12594 for the security fix, but links to 12954
10:15 mtj hmm, i think i need to backport that one, still
10:15 eythian_ Joubu: it's still an active issue
10:15 slef Joubu: not until backported no
10:15 Joubu slef: do you want me to switch the bug from Koha security to Koha?
10:15 eythian_ sorry, not to that
10:15 eythian_ oh
10:15 eythian_ slef: i do, what do I need to do?
10:14 eythian_ yeah, that's a nasty one that should be fixed
10:14 slef anyone got a web login handy to fix that?
10:14 huginn 04Bug 12954: is not accessible.
10:14 magnuse it says 12594 but links to http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12954
10:14 slef magnuse: good spot. Link is correct though.
10:14 slef not my rule but that's how it is
10:14 magnuse ah, typo on http://koha-community.org/koha-3-18-4-released/ then
10:13 slef until the fix is backported at least
10:13 slef but you can't display it like that
10:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12954 is not accessible.
10:13 slef bug 12954
10:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12594 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Get rid of z3950random
10:13 magnuse bug 12594
10:13 slef any volunteers to backport?
10:12 slef 3.14 and 3.16 need the fix
10:12 mtj hmm, no security patches for 3.16.8, afaik
10:12 * slef digs
10:11 slef anyone got news on that? Will it include the security fix from 3.18.4 or was that 3.18-only?
10:11 slef #info http://koha-community.org/ai1ec_event/4517-2/?instance_id=101 suggests a new stable release on 22nd
10:10 slef #info 3.18.4 was a security fix release
10:10 eythian_ mtj: ^
10:10 wahanui Will he ever win?
10:10 magnuse poor wahanui
10:10 atheia
10:10 atheia #info Alex Sassmannshausen, PTFS Europe, UK
10:10 slef #info 3.16.8 was released on 3 Mar
10:10 slef #info 3.18.4 was released on 23 Feb
10:09 slef no release mamanegrs
10:09 wahanui I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike.
10:09 eythian_ wahanui: welcome back
10:08 slef who can do these?
10:08 bensinober #info Benjamin Rokseth, Oslo Public Library
10:08 slef #topic 3. Update on releases
10:07 slef heh
10:07 thd :)
10:07 thd yes
10:07 thd !
10:07 slef shall we move on?
10:07 slef house-keeping note - if you want to make me wait a minute so you can say something, enter something short like ! on a line by itself first - I can't tell if you're typing otherwise
10:06 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
10:06 magnuse welcome Teejay! :-)
10:06 slef Do we have any? None on the agenda...
10:05 slef #topic 2. Announcements (non-release)
10:05 m23 #info Michal Denar, Municipal Library, Ceska Trebova, Czech Republic
10:05 akafred #info Kjetil JD / akafred, Oslo Public Library, Norway
10:05 mtj #info Mason James, NZ
10:05 slef I see I defeated wahanui by accident... actually, where is wahanui?
10:05 eythian_ welcome, Teejay
10:04 oadara Magnuse: First time at meeting for Teejay :)
10:04 slef ok - introductions can be added any time as people arrive but I'll move on in a minute
10:04 mveron #info Marc Véron, marc veron ag, member of Koha Support Schweiz, Switzerland
10:04 josef_moravec #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library, Ústà nad OrlicÃ, Czech Republic
10:04 Teejay #info Tunji Adepeju Projektlink Konsult , Ibadan, Nigeria
10:04 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City, (finally warm enough to recover from freezing illness)
10:03 matts #info Matthias Meusburger, biblibre, France
10:03 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
10:03 slef #info MJ Ray, member of software.coop, England
10:03 oadara #info Olugbenga Adara Projektlink Konsult, Ibadan, Nigeria
10:03 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany
10:03 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
10:03 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre
10:03 joann #info Joann Ransom, Horowhenua, NZ
10:03 eythian_ #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, Wellington NZ
10:03 slef please introduce yourself and please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes
10:03 slef Hello, good time-zone-appropriate-greeting and welcome
10:02 slef #topic 1. Introductions
10:02 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_11_march_2015'
10:02 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
10:02 huginn Meeting started Wed Mar 11 10:02:37 2015 UTC. The chair is slef. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
10:02 slef #startmeeting General_IRC_meeting_11_March_2015
10:02 * eythian_ doesn't object
10:02 drojf :)
10:02 magnuse :-)
10:02 magnuse hah!
10:02 drojf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_11_March_2015
10:02 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_11_March_2015
10:02 magnuse Teejay: a bit too early :-)
10:02 slef you've got the time it takes me to find the agenda to object
10:02 magnuse slef++
10:01 davidnind slef++
10:01 slef I offer
10:01 davidnind deadly silence....
10:01 Teejay #info Tunji Adepeju of Projektlink Konsult Limited Nigeria
09:59 magnuse who's chair?
09:59 eythian_ yep:)
09:58 Teejay ###teejay
09:58 drojf that's good, you've already taken out the trash
09:57 eythian_ ok, aside from being way small, not too bad.
09:57 drojf eythian_: works
09:57 * eythian_ tests his tablet keyboard
09:57 mtj all good ideas++
09:57 magnuse mtj: or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_workflow
09:54 magnuse and maybe point to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration ?
09:54 mtj ..and add that info to the repo description, too
09:53 magnuse mtj: yup, that would be nice
09:53 mtj "thanks for your info, please consider logging a bug at bugs.kc.org... this repo is just a mirror"
09:52 mtj magnuse: we could have a generic reply to pull-requests..
09:50 drojf ready for bed too. we should all have the meeting in bed. sleepover meeting
09:49 mtj http://laurent.bachelier.name/2012/05/github-kinda-sucks/
09:49 mtj ahh, perhaps it is not possible..?
09:49 mtj hmm, i thought i did disable pull-requests on that repo
09:47 mtj hey magnuse
09:47 magnuse hm, is it mtj?
09:46 drojf magnuse: i did not even know there is an official github. also… why? :D
09:46 eythian_ magnuse: whoever runs that should disable pull requests
09:46 * mveron agrees...
09:46 magnuse 10.45 am here - im just about ready for bed too :-)
09:45 joann 10.35pm here - im just about ready for bed :)
09:45 mveron Daytime?
09:45 mveron Late morning ? :-)
09:45 magnuse evening? ;-)
09:45 joann how are we all this evening?
09:45 magnuse what do we do about pull requests on github? https://github.com/Koha-Community/Koha/pull/4
09:43 drojf hi joann
09:43 joann Kiaora Magnus - and everyone else too
09:43 magnuse kia ora joann
09:39 mveron hi drojf
09:38 drojf hi mveron
09:38 drojf heh
09:38 mveron Hi #koha
09:38 eythian_ drojf: I have enough stairs to get my own to the street without having to get it across a couple of oceans too.
09:37 drojf ;)
09:37 drojf take mine too
09:34 eythian_ Cool. I should put the rubbish/recycling out first.
09:34 magnuse as far as i have been able to figure out
09:34 magnuse yup
09:29 eythian_ Meeting in 30 mins right?
09:12 magnuse hiya atheia
09:11 ashimema morning atheia
09:10 ashimema But.. if it's a new feature very closely related to existing ones.. then it's obviosly sensible to use allot of the work already done, and thus we'd expect a fair amount of linkage backto C4
09:10 atheia Good morning.
09:09 ashimema Personally.. if it make sense to be object oriented, I like it done that way too ;)
09:09 ashimema completely new features we'd 'prefer' in the Koha namespace with minimal refrences back to C4 and DBIC used (Though DBIC used may well be shifting to Koha::Objects used if people get their way)
09:08 ashimema it kinda depends on the feature and where you've put the majority of the code
09:07 mtj Joubu, ashimema maybe.. ? ^
09:06 mtj magnuse: aah, oops... i forgot
09:05 magnuse kia ora eythian
09:05 magnuse mtj: that sounds like a question for the qa team and the rm. i am merely a lowly bugwrangler
09:04 mtj ..any qa-ers have an opinion, on that? ^
09:04 m23 hi
09:04 nlegrand Hey #koha.
09:04 mtj is there much of a problem, submitting new features that use C4/non-dbic code?
09:03 mtj hey magnus, i have a general qa question...
09:00 magnuse bonjour fridolin
08:59 fridolin hie all
08:47 magnuse bleurgh
08:47 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
08:47 magnuse @wunder IOSLO239
08:46 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
08:46 magnuse @wunder storgata
08:46 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
08:46 magnuse @wunder storgata, oslo
08:46 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
08:46 magnuse @wunder storgata, oslo,
08:46 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
08:46 magnuse @wunder storgata, oslo, norway
08:34 akafred Almost like mont puget outside Marseille.
08:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Oslo Airport, Norway is 4.0°C (9:20 AM CET on March 11, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
08:34 magnuse @wunder osl
08:34 magnuse kikut - that is kind of hilarious
08:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Kikut, Oslo, Norway is 3.7°C (9:21 AM CET on March 11, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
08:34 magnuse @wunder oslo, norway
08:33 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
08:33 magnuse @wunder oslo
08:32 akafred Actually blue skies today, but a but a bit windy and only 4°C ...
08:31 gaetan_B good morning akafred :) nice weather back home ?
08:30 akafred good morning, gaetan_B :-)
08:30 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (9:20 AM CET on March 11, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
08:30 magnuse @wunder boo
08:30 magnuse akafred: i think 13068 will make koha keep track of some things for you, but i am not clear on what or how
08:24 * akafred notes that 'list', 'list <plugin>' and 'help <plugin> <command>' were really helpful when learning more about the capabilities of our resident raven
08:22 magnuse but if you want to pick and choose patches to apply to your branch, you will still have to look out for dependencies, so if one patch modifies something introduced by another patch you need them both
08:22 gaetan_B hello
08:22 akafred But, will I still have to have a way to know which of these updates have been applied to my database?
08:21 magnuse as far as i understand it, 13068 will make this easier by putting db updates in individual files, which means no more conflicts
08:21 magnuse well, without it you have to make sure you have the right database updates in updatedatabase.pl - which means you might have to resolve conflicts when you apply patches to the branch you want to run from
08:17 drojf akafred: i guess so
08:16 akafred Am I right that this bug solves the major issue with applying patches 'unattended'?
08:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13068 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Signed Off , New feature for DB update and sandbox
08:08 akafred I am thinking about an automated build pipeline for patched koha, but cannot wrap my head around how it can be done without bug 13068 ...
07:54 alex_a hello magnuse
07:54 magnuse hiya Joubu alex_a newbie
07:51 alex_a bonjour
07:50 Joubu hello #koha
07:49 magnuse :-)
07:49 reiveune salut magnuse
07:49 * magnuse is luckily not a coffee-drinker
07:49 reiveune :/
07:49 reiveune salut ma
07:49 magnuse bonojur reiveune
07:39 reiveune hello
07:34 * drojf tries to intercept some of the coffee but is too tired
07:32 * magnuse sends ashimema some coffe
07:28 ashimema hope I can stay awake ;)
07:23 magnuse ah, irc meeting in ~2.5 hours http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_11_March_2015
07:21 drojf hei magnuse
07:17 magnuse moin drojf
07:10 drojf morning #koha
07:10 magnuse don't worry - in 18 years everything will be back to normal again
07:07 ashimema indeed ;)
07:07 magnuse ;-)
07:07 magnuse there's a new boss in town
07:06 magnuse ah yes
07:06 ashimema Amelia decided it was time for me to get up ;)
07:06 ashimema been around since 5
07:06 ashimema indeed it is..
07:05 magnuse isn't it 07 for you?
07:04 magnuse wassup?
07:04 ashimema morning magnuse
07:03 magnuse hiya ashimema
07:03 * magnuse waves
06:41 dcook later all
06:41 dcook I'm off!
06:41 dcook sounds good
06:40 Francesca hmmm I'll try and catch him tomorrow
06:35 dcook yo ashimema
06:35 ashimema morning peeps
06:34 huginn ashimema: rangi was last seen in #koha 9 hours, 52 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <rangi> morning
06:34 ashimema @seen rangi
06:34 ashimema .
06:34 dcook Although I guess that was 5:42am for you...dang that's early
06:34 dcook Looks like he was here at 7:42am :)
06:33 dcook Online that is
06:33 dcook Probably. I haven't seen him around today.
06:33 Francesca I've probably missed rangi haven't I
06:33 dcook hey Francesca
06:31 * Francesca waves hello
05:36 dcook :D
05:32 mtj my 1st smartfone.. so far, so good
05:31 mtj yeah
05:29 dcook You have an elephone?
05:29 mtj i'll have a proper readup on the elephone forums, re: rooting
05:29 dcook ta eythian
05:28 mtj cya eythian
05:28 eythian later
05:28 eythian OK, elasticsearch query language is annoying me now. Time to give it a break until tomorrow.
05:28 mtj i think the elephones are quite root friendly
05:24 mtj such wow.. ^
05:24 mtj http://www.elephone.hk/p8.html
05:22 dcook mtj: what sort of phone?
05:22 dcook I was going to try rooting and flashing a rom on my old LG Optimus before it got nicked
05:21 dcook Yeah, I only have this phone, so there's no way I'm going to experiment on it ;)
05:21 eythian at least with the nexus ones, it involves doing it in the bootloader.
05:21 * mtj is a bit nervous about bricking it
05:21 eythian I don't think that'll give you the same result, depending on the method
05:21 mtj i should try doing it on an emulator 1st, i guess
05:20 mtj hmm, ok
05:20 eythian I have no experience with others
05:20 eythian the nexus line are very easy to do it with
05:20 eythian it totally depends on the phone.
05:19 mtj um, atm i just wanna root it
05:19 dcook Do you just want to root it, or do you plan to flash a ROM as well?
05:18 dcook Nah, I haven't gotten around to that yet.
05:18 mtj im a newb
05:17 mtj completely off-topic here folks, anyone have some good suggestions for rooting an andriod fone?
05:16 eythian it will, it's the same cause
05:15 mtj not sure if my fix works for that.. ^
05:15 mtj i had not hit the problem via lwp::agent tho
05:14 mtj np, just adding my 2c to the irc log :)
05:13 dcook But thanks
05:13 mtj i too, bump into that problem sometimes - when moving a db to a test/dev koha
05:13 dcook I just fixed the two I had manually in any case :)
05:13 dcook Hmm, interesting!
05:13 mtj i think if the values are '', then 'en' lang is used by default
05:12 mtj .
05:12 mtj update systempreferences set value = '' where variable = 'language';
05:12 mtj update systempreferences set value = '' where variable = 'opaclanguages';
05:12 mtj hey dcook, i had a little bit of sql that i have used to fix your problem...
05:08 eythian :)
05:07 dcook Thanks for the tip :)
05:07 dcook I just realized I didn't say thanks
05:07 dcook :D
05:05 eythian yeah, it's so you can pick languages if there's more than one option
05:04 dcook Ahh, that sounds familiar now that I think about it..
05:04 dcook I didn't know we did that?
05:04 dcook That could do it
05:04 eythian you may have had a cookie in your browser that overrode the language settings
05:03 eythian I think both, but I'm not 100% sure
05:03 dcook It seemed all right when I visited with my browser... just not automatically with a LWP
05:03 dcook Is it an error you get on screen or just in the logs?
05:02 eythian we get that a bit when we move a db to staging and don't build the custom translations that a couple of people have.
05:02 dcook You're the best
05:02 dcook eythian++
05:02 dcook Yep
05:01 dcook Hmm..
05:01 dcook I think you're probably right. I'll give it a whirl.
05:00 eythian so setting it to en and saving might be enough
05:00 dcook "uk-UA,pt-PT,tr-TR,es-ES,da-DK,ru-RU,gl,fr-FR,nb-NO,lo-Laoo,id-ID,sr-Cyrl,tet,ko-Kore-KP,en,fi-FI,de-DE,ur-Arab,nn-NO,am-Ethi,ja-Jpan-JP,bg-Cyrl,mi-NZ,sv-SE,it-IT,he-Hebr,zh-Hans-CN,zh-Hans-TW,hu-HU,fa-Arab,pl-PL,ar-Arab,nl-NL,el-GR"
05:00 eythian if the langauge templates aren't there, then the other options won't show up
05:00 dcook Oh my...
04:59 dcook They just say English but..
04:59 dcook Ahh. Hmm. I'll check that quickly.
04:59 eythian the place where language is set :)
04:59 eythian in the i18n section
04:58 eythian the ones that set the language
04:58 dcook have to work on DSpace now anyway, so long Koha..
04:58 dcook Hmm, not sure which one(s) you mean, but cheers, eythian :)
04:13 eythian in the sysprefs
04:13 dcook Which language setting?
04:13 dcook Interesting!
04:12 eythian s/language files/templates/
04:12 eythian it's because you have a non-en language set in the db, but no language files generated, usually
04:12 dcook It works fine when I visit in person, but if I use LWP::UserAgent, it creates a 500 error :S
04:12 eythian yeh
04:12 dcook But it's not quite what I'm encountering..
04:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10309 new feature, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap
04:11 dcook I've seen it in a few bugs... like bug 10309
04:11 dcook Hmm anyone familiar with "Template process failed: file error - cssinclude: not found at"
01:49 dcook They looked identical on the commandline
01:48 dcook It really did feel like madness :p
01:48 eythian ― <-- not a puny little en-dash
01:48 eythian yeah, it's an en, I just guessed
01:47 dcook Not quite long enough for em?
01:47 dcook Hmm, I think it might be an en dash?
01:45 * dcook twitches
01:45 eythian good ole em-dash
01:45 dcook I really thought I was going crazy for a second there...
01:44 dcook Which looked identical in the terminal...
01:44 dcook Ah, a dash
01:44 dcook "perl tester.pl --test blah"
01:44 dcook and
01:44 dcook "perl tester.pl –-test blah"
01:44 dcook What's the difference between:
01:43 dcook Hmm..
01:42 dcook :S
01:42 dcook Now it's not..
01:42 dcook That's... special
01:42 dcook I've copied the file to a different filename... and now it works differently
01:41 dcook ...
01:36 dcook Hmm, I've somehow broke GetOptions...