IRC log for #koha, 2015-03-10

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00:00 BobB cait, you must come!  There, its settled!
00:02 dcook :D
00:02 eythian BobB: maybe it should rotate through the pacific islands too
00:02 eythian you know, so they get a fair chance...
00:02 eythian not just so we get to spend a week in the islands.
00:02 eythian really.
00:02 dcook hehe
00:03 BobB eythian +1
00:05 BobB looks like cait is on her way already
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00:12 wizzyrea I could probably convince the family that a trip to a hackfest in oz would be a good thing to do.
00:13 dcook y/y? :D
01:04 papa I am traditionally denied island trips :(
01:05 eythian papa: why?
01:06 papa exactly. when was the last time catalyst sent me to an island/
01:08 eythian you were over here some months ago, weren't you?
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01:31 papa heh, I did not think about it that way
01:34 dcook I could handle a trip to NZ one of these days...
01:34 dcook A hackfest on the Greek Islands would be rather awesome
01:35 eythian a local company regularly does it to places like the islands.
01:36 eythian then they jump on irc and say things like "hi, we're in Fiji. btw we're hiring" :)
01:40 dcook ?
01:42 eythian I don't know what you're questioning there
01:43 dcook I didn't really understand either sentence :)
01:45 eythian has development retreats in places like...
01:45 dcook Ahhh
01:45 dcook That helps :)
01:50 mtj hi folks
01:50 mtj rangi, got a tic..?
01:51 mtj ..i had a Q for you about my BZ workflow
01:53 dcook Hmm, it looks like this bank has been naughty...
01:53 dcook Making up charges that don't actually exist. Tsk tsk...
01:54 dcook Ahh
01:54 dcook Apparently they can charge you money if you don't use your credit card often enough.
01:54 dcook I suppose they want to make money one way or another
01:56 mtj wow, thats horrible :/
01:56 dcook Fortunately, it's only a few dollars. I'd hate to think if it had been a greater sum.
01:56 dcook Still. It's basically them stealing money :).
01:57 mtj curious, whats the bank?
01:58 dcook I'll message you ;)
01:58 mtj ta :)
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02:05 dcook Oh, banks
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02:37 eythian <-- just what I'm listening to right now.
02:39 dcook Hehe
02:39 dcook I clicked it but didn't look
02:39 dcook Turned out to be an ad
02:41 eythian that's not what I'm listening to :)
02:41 dcook hehe
02:42 eythian you know that adblock plus blocks youtube ads, right?
02:42 eythian as does µBlock, which is what I'm actually using nowadays
02:43 dcook I keep meaning to use adblock..
02:43 dcook What's uBlock?
02:43 eythian it's like adblock, but a bit lighter on resources.
02:43 eythian otherwise pretty much the same
02:43 dcook Hmm, might have to take another look
02:43 dcook This is catchy, btw
02:44 eythian it is, yes
02:44 eythian the whole album is good, but I think that's the best from it.
02:45 dcook It reminds me a bit of another group..
02:46 dcook Might just be because they're Swedish though, hehe
02:46 eythian possibly :)
02:46 eythian It's fairly different from Abba though
02:47 dcook Mmm maybe a bit
02:47 dcook Reminds me a bit of Apoptygma Berzerk, although I guess they're Norwegian
02:48 eythian yeah, same ballpark as Apop
03:10 eythian apparently every authority has 14,401 biblios. That may not be quite right.
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04:08 Francesca hey
04:08 eythian hi
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04:43 eythian http://elasticsearch.koha.cata[…]rderby=HeadingAsc <-- yay, biblio counting works.
04:44 eythian though not in the most efficent way, need to sort something out in Catmandu I think.
05:03 eythian oh hey, so in the authority searching, the first page is page 0, followed by 1, etc. In biblio searching, the first page is page 1, followed by 2, etc.
05:03 eythian tricksy
05:13 eythian yay, basic authority functions are now working.
05:29 dcook \o/
05:29 dcook eythian++
05:32 dcook Just as I'm getting through my backlog... 5pm creeps up and more people email..
05:33 eythian heh
05:42 dcook Oh Java... you are so my favourite way to spend the last 20 minutes of the word day
05:42 dcook O_O
05:47 eythian it is the funnest.
05:47 * eythian makes like a tree and gets outta here
05:47 * eythian &
05:57 dcook til tomorrow
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06:41 drojf morning #koha
06:41 magnuse moin drojf and #koha!
06:42 drojf hei magnuse
06:59 kivilahtio morning
07:02 magnuse hyvää päivää kivilahtio
07:03 kivilahtio god morgon?
07:03 magnuse according to google translate, yes :-)
07:04 magnuse in norwegian it would be "morgen"
07:04 kivilahtio magnuse: according to the top of my head
07:04 kivilahtio magnuse: but that might have been swedish
07:04 kivilahtio I'll ry to remember next time
07:08 magnuse :-)
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07:20 mveron Hi #Koha
07:20 mveron @wunder Allschwil
07:20 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 0.0°C (8:00 AM CET on March 10, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Rising).
07:31 magnuse hiya mveron
07:31 magnuse @wunder boo
07:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (8:20 AM CET on March 10, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady).
07:32 mveron hi magnuse :-)
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07:38 reiveune hello
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07:44 mveron hi reiveune :-)
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07:44 alex_a bonjour
07:45 reiveune salut mveron
07:46 mveron Bonjour alex_a
07:48 drojf hi mveron
07:48 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
07:48 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 5.0°C (8:20 AM CET on March 10, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
07:48 mveron hi drojf :-)
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08:42 gaetan_B hello
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08:59 kivilahtio ello
09:16 fridolin ello
09:16 fridolin kivilahtio: hie, how was your trip back home ?
09:21 kivilahtio fridolin: I got my luggage. I had a lot of insteresting discussion with peop0le
09:21 kivilahtio was a lot of fun
09:21 kivilahtio now I have a TON OF STUFF to do. I heard if it the out-of-office -effect
09:23 fridolin kivilahtio: same for me ;)
09:23 fridolin i had greate time and a lot of exchanges
09:23 fridolin i gone try to do more for the community
09:32 * cait waves
09:32 kivilahtio watch out for waves!
09:33 cait :P
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09:37 atheia Morning #koha
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09:39 ashimema morning atheia, cait
09:43 * mveron waves  ...and is in a bow wave of tasks...
09:43 kivilahtio bow wave?
09:43 * magnuse waves too
09:43 kivilahtio noooo I can't take it anymore!
09:44 kivilahtio I am drowning... bulb bulb...
09:44 magnuse meeting in 24 hours and 16 minutes, right?
09:44 kivilahtio who?
09:44 mveron kivilahtio: "Bugwelle" in German.
09:44 kivilahtio magnuse: what meeting?
09:45 drojf hehe a wave of bugs
09:46 mveron kivilahtio:
09:46 mveron :-)
09:46 magnuse kivilahtio:[…]ing_11_March_2015
09:47 kivilahtio thanks mveron, very interesting!
09:47 kivilahtio mveron: If I ever build a ship I know what kind of a bow wave i want
09:48 kivilahtio magnuse: thanks, I'll be there
09:48 drojf magnuse: did you just volunteer to send a reminder to the mailing lists? :)
09:51 magnuse drojf: maybe i did...
09:51 drojf magnuse++
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09:52 akafred jajm: re bug 13799 - couldn't find a working sandbox url ... is it still supposed to be there?
09:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13799 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add base for building RESTful API
09:56 magnuse akafred: did you use ?
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09:56 * magnuse has "set up sandboxes with normarc" somewhere down on his todo list
09:57 * magnuse hands ashimema the velcro
09:57 jajm akafred, sandboxes are reset each night at 00:00 UTC, so you need to reapply the patch
09:58 ashimema lol..
09:58 ashimema thanks magnuse..
09:58 ashimema but of a woddly system this morning it seems
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10:05 cait hmpf
10:05 cait just lost an hour because my windows has the wrong time???
10:05 magnuse cait: ?
10:06 magnuse just turn the clock back?
10:07 cait then i am going to miss the train :)
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10:32 akafred I missed the ILL discussion in Marseille. How can I catch up?
10:33 magnuse i think atheia took some notes?
10:35 magnuse i think the conculsion was that it would be ideal if koha could cover a superset of all the workflows that koha libraries need, and then be able to turn off the things that are not relevant to a given library/country/ill system
10:38 drojf mveron: do you know about the technical aspects of ILL in switzerland?
10:40 atheia Re: ILL: Indeed, that's a pretty concise summary.
10:40 atheia I'll put up an RFC with a link to my notes by the end of the week and send it to the list.
10:57 cait1 atheia++ :)
10:58 magnus_lunch atheia++
10:58 akafred Cool feature with the sandboxes, except i got a "sandbox is not ready !"
10:59 akafred ... which doesn't tell me mucho.
11:00 akafred rangi: Is this the current NCIP-server-repo?[…]ver.git;a=summary
11:03 magnuse akafred: rangi is probably asleep, but i believe so, yes
11:08 Joubu akafred: you should choose a DB
11:10 Joubu akafred: don't know what was the issue, but I can confirm you the patch has correctly been applied on sandbox 16
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11:18 akafred ok. I'll try again, thanks Joubu
11:20 Joubu akafred: thanks for your note on bug 13691!
11:21 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13691 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Add some selenium scripts
11:21 Joubu akafred: but, I have a question, when you say "we would require the tests to pass along with production code changes", that's mean we cannot test all uc
11:21 Joubu for instance we cannot test checkin/out and data creation/modification
11:21 Joubu and a lot of other actions
11:23 akafred so the dbdependent-tests don't do that?
11:23 cait1 bye all
11:23 cait1 time for another trip on a train...
11:23 magnuse have fun cait1
11:24 Joubu akafred: yes they do, in a transaction
11:24 Joubu but with selenium, it won't possible to rollback
11:24 Joubu last sentence does not mean anything...
11:25 akafred I get what you are saying.
11:25 Joubu I meant, with our current db dependent tests, we can test all what we want
11:25 Joubu except the ui
11:25 akafred There are ways to do this, one is to create test data in the test (and perhaps remove them again).
11:26 akafred We're currently doing this in Oslo, but it is slw.
11:26 akafred slow
11:26 Joubu yes, that's what I did in my selenium script (at least I think)
11:26 Joubu but if something is wrong, the data could be not deleted. We don't want that in production :)
11:27 akafred Another way is to have sufficient test data to be able to find data you can use for a scenario as part of the test.
11:27 Joubu akafred: yes, but no checkin/out for instance
11:27 akafred Ah. So you run your db_dependent tests in production?
11:27 Joubu no! :)
11:28 Joubu db_deps test only pass with a specific DB
11:28 akafred Exactly.
11:29 Joubu Anyway, I am starving!
11:30 akafred We have a strategy where we create and clean up test data for each scenario. Like this:[…]d_values_steps.rb
11:30 akafred The first step here creates an authorized value - and registers a cleanup closure that will be run on test teardown.
11:31 akafred It is cumbersome, but for a limited set of scenarios - doable.
11:32 akafred Yeah, I am starving, too. But no 'confit de canard' like I enjoyed when I snuck of for lunch in Marseille :-)
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11:47 magnuse hiya meliss
11:47 meliss hi magnuse.  How are you today?
11:49 magnuse meliss: not too shabby - getting things done, for once
11:50 magnuse and yerself?
11:50 meliss hanging in there.
11:51 magnuse yay
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12:02 akafred jajm: Seems mojo defaults to returning http-status 204 if the Accept-header asks for a representation which isn't available. It should return 406.
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12:05 akafred Joubu: And here is how we clean up:[…]port/hooks.rb#L58
12:13 kivilahtio Joubu: do you want our DB?
12:13 kivilahtio it is for 3.16.4 so you might not be able to easily get the acquisitons data out
12:13 kivilahtio +our patches
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12:18 nlegrand Hey #koha!
12:21 Joubu kivilahtio: yep, I can update it
12:22 Joubu akafred: my ruby skills are not good enough to understand everything
12:22 Joubu akafred: what does the cleanup call?
12:23 Joubu ok got it
12:24 jajm akafred, you're right, mojo defaults to 204 No Content, it can be changed easily I think
12:26 akafred joubu: yep, this line ([…]lues_steps.rb#L12 ) pushes a {"text" => closure } onto a list, while this line:[…]port/hooks.rb#L58 runs the cleanup closures in reverse order.
12:27 akafred But, this is the only time I have taken this approach. It is sort of a manual rollback ...
12:28 akafred Another approach could be to load a known dataset (say a library with stuff) using sql before each test run, and then cleaning up the library afterwards.
12:30 akafred ... to measure performance, we need a certain amount of stuff ...
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12:32 akafred Yet another approach is to create new test data with randomized identifiers, then you won't need to clean them up.
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12:59 barton morning all.
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13:04 barton I have a partner who is very interested in the status of bug 12553. I left a @later for chris_n (to whom the ticket is assigned), but he seems to be out for an extended period of time. could someone else take a quick peek at it?
13:04 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12553 normal, P3, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , copynumber, location not printing correctly on spine labels.
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14:02 mveron Hi again :-)
14:06 drojf why would koha say "HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench (0.73) Not Installed" when i just installed it?
14:06 drojf apt-cache policy libhttpd-bench-apachebench-perl says
14:06 drojf libhttpd-bench-apachebench-perl: Installiert:           0.73-1
14:11 Joubu What returns `pmvers HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench`?
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14:28 fridolin drojf: this dependancy is not mandatory, strange
14:28 fridolin you look at "About" page maybe
14:36 barton is there a way to set up kohadevbox so that it will start with a bridged network adapter?
14:37 barton ... I can always futz around with the vm in virtualbox, but it would be nice to be able to set it up to start that way.
14:38 magnuse barton: dunno, but have a look at[…]ntfile/index.html
14:38 magnuse patches are welcome, if you find a solution (it would probably have to be optional?) :-)
14:38 * magnuse wanders off to make dinner
14:41 akafred barton:[…]blic_network.html   -- I think this would work: "public_network" --- remember to vagrant reload after changing the Vagrant file.
14:51 drojf Joubu fridolin it looks like i made something funny with dh-make-perl, it installed to my home directory ;)
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15:05 drojf building as root worked
15:06 drojf it's fantastic to have a problem and find yourself in the koha logs 3 years ago having the same
15:06 drojf greetings to future me from the present, which will be your past :)
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15:22 fridolin drojf: ok
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15:42 barton drojf:
15:44 drojf heh
15:44 drojf :D
15:44 barton the alt text is especially apropos
15:49 barton magnuse, akafred: adding ' "public_network"' to the appropriate section of Vagrantfile worked like a charm.
15:50 barton @akafred++
15:50 huginn barton: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
15:50 barton akafred++
15:54 Joubu bgkriegel: ./translate install es-ES
15:54 Joubu sh: 1: Syntax error: end of file unexpected
15:54 Joubu is it "normal"?
15:57 pastebot "bgkriegel" at pasted "Joubu: works for me!" (9 lines) at
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16:03 Joubu bgkriegel: hum, looks good now, I don't know what I did!
16:06 bgkriegel :)
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17:26 gaetan_B bye
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18:09 * mveron says good night to #koha, going to the theatre...
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18:54 tcohen hi there
18:55 drojf hi tcohen
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19:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #60 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:27 barton chris_n++
19:28 barton ^^ thanks for working with me on label printing bugs.
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19:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #18 for job Koha_Docs_3.16.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.16.x build #18: SUCCESS in 10 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.16.x/18/
19:51 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update 2 typos
19:58 jenkins_koha Starting build #651 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: FIXED)
19:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #651: SUCCESS in 2 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/651/
19:58 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update 2 typos
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20:41 * cait waves
20:42 rangi morning
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20:43 cait morning rangi
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21:49 eythian hi
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23:36 dcook If only all open source projects were 24/7...
23:39 drojf dcook: if you were 24/7, you'd be right in time for anyone ;)
23:41 dcook hehe
23:41 dcook True true
23:46 drojf almost 1am. i should leave before i'm 24/7. goodnight, have a nice day
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