IRC log for #koha, 2015-03-09

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00:33 BobB ok, thank you mtj and gmcharlt
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01:07 mtj hey #koha, whats the policy on new C4::* code using DBIX in Koha?
01:08 mtj is it required?
01:08 eythian I don't know that there is one, but I think it'd be perfectly fine for C4 stuff to use it.
01:08 eythian probably recommended
01:09 mtj should i bother sending a patch with C4 code... that doesnt use dbix?
01:09 eythian I don't know if there'll be much pushback against that or not, probably not
01:09 mtj ok ta
01:11 mtj i'll attempt to get some more opinion on irc
01:11 eythian right now there only seems to be my opinion on IRC :D
01:12 mtj its good opinion tho, eythian :)
01:12 eythian plenty more where that came from!
01:18 dcook hehe
01:18 * dcook couldn't care less one way or another atm
01:18 dcook AKA not much pushback :)
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04:50 eythian dcook: you around?
04:50 dcook Yep. Finally getting around to having lunch. Sup?
04:51 eythian when counting the number of biblios that reference an authority, a search is done like 'an:<authid>'
04:51 eythian where is 'an' defined?
04:51 eythian as in, when the biblio is indexed, where does it know what to put into 'an'
04:53 eythian oh
04:53 eythian found it
04:53 eythian for some reason my grep didn't find it
04:53 eythian apparently \W doesn't match the start of a line
04:53 eythian which is actually probably correct
04:54 eythian Authority-Number 1=Koha-Auth-Number
04:54 eythian an Authority-Number
04:54 eythian Koha-Auth-Number Authority-Number
04:54 eythian specifically
04:54 dcook Sorry. Got distracted by political news.
04:54 dcook I thought it was satire, but nope... real.
04:55 dcook Yeah is usually the place to go
04:56 eythian erk, in marcdefs there's a proper brazillion of them
04:57 dcook Yeah, that defines what gets indexed, I believe
04:57 dcook There's a lot of stuff for authorities iirc
04:57 eythian yep
04:58 eythian I just have to extract them all for marc21, unimarc and nomarc, and turn that into sql :)
04:58 eythian lets see about doing some vim trickiness.
04:58 dcook SQL?
04:59 eythian that's where mappings live for elasticsearch
04:59 dcook Ahh, that's neat
05:07 eythian will authids always be numeric?
05:08 eythian actually, it's probably not safe to assume that
05:09 dcook They should always be numeric, but it's probably not safe to assume it
05:09 dcook Hmm.. then again..
05:10 dcook According to auth_header, the authid is a BIGINT
05:10 eythian huh
05:10 eythian maybe it's OK then
05:10 dcook At least in the DB I'm looking at
05:10 dcook It probably shouldn't be a BIGINT
05:10 dcook But it looks like it is
05:18 eythian <-- don't you love how clear MARC makes everything...
05:18 dcook :S
05:18 dcook I don't even know what I'm looking at :S
05:19 eythian the 4 digit numbers are 123$9
05:19 eythian i.e. where the auth number is to be found
05:19 dcook Ahhh
05:20 dcook :(
05:23 eythian adding those mappings sure slows down the indexing
05:23 dcook I guess so :/
05:23 eythian actually, maybe it's something else.
05:23 eythian I think just cold caches in everything, it's sped up now
05:24 eythian however, es has the ability do to online indexing, so in real life it wouldn't be a big deal.
05:26 dcook online indexing?
05:26 dcook Ahh, right
05:26 dcook I think I follow ya
05:26 eythian you could do a full reindex while everything was running and it'd be fine
05:27 dcook :D
05:29 eythian if you were making big changes, it might look weird during the process, but that's better than downtime :)
05:30 dcook Totally
05:53 eythian elasticsearch sure can get verbose sometimes:
05:53 eythian { query => { filtered => { query => { match_all => {} }, filter => { term => { an => $authid } } } } }
05:54 dcook All the brackets!
06:03 eythian "an":[["227"],["228"],["229​"],["230"],["177"],["39"]]
06:03 eythian well that's hopeful
06:03 dcook :D
06:03 eythian I do like how you can inspect what ES is storing with curl, it's much easier than yaz I think.
06:03 dcook If I don't get any emails tomorrow, I might actually get through the rest of my email backlog...
06:04 eythian good luck with that :)
06:04 dcook hehe
06:04 dcook I suppose I like that yaz-client is interactive
06:04 eythian my command line is interactive :)
06:04 dcook hehe
06:04 dcook Yeah, I think it would be nicer just using HTTP
06:04 eythian you can also have a web interface to talk to it, given it's all JSON.
06:05 eythian it would be neat to have a data inspector interface that lets you put together queries/reports using the search directly.
06:05 eythian (no real reason you couldn't do that with zebra too I suppose)
06:05 dcook That could certainly be interesting
06:05 * dcook looks at the time
06:06 dcook eythian: How does overtime work for you folks?
06:06 * dcook thinks eythian is always still working when dcook leaves these days
06:06 eythian normally it doesn't as we're salaried.
06:06 dcook And dcook rarely leaves on time
06:06 eythian I tend to arrive late though
06:06 dcook Yeah, I like later starts/stops myself
06:07 dcook Although when I do have a kidlet, I'll have to be pretty precise due to care
06:07 eythian not going to be here too much longer though, just want to get this query going so biblios can be counted.
06:07 dcook Do it up!
06:07 * dcook should really really  go home
06:07 eythian yeah, the others here all have to work to deadlines usually
06:08 dcook You don't have deadlines?
06:09 * dcook wonders who came up with that word
06:09 eythian as in, they have to go fetch kids etc
06:10 dcook Ah, right
06:10 dcook Sprogs will get you everytime
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06:12 eythian hmm, looks like my auth search should work
06:12 eythian well, biblio search really
06:14 eythian hmm, though either the data in prod is different or zebra isn't doing it right - my (old) copy of the database gets more results.
06:14 eythian Probably the've done some cleaning since I copied it.
06:16 eythian tomorrow I'll figure out how to just get the count out, rather than the whole pile of data...
06:16 eythian later all
06:16 * eythian &
06:18 dcook laterz
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06:58 drojf morning #koha
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07:46 reiveune hello
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07:55 matts hi #koha !
07:55 * magnuse waves
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08:02 alex_a bonjour
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08:15 * magnuse adds a snapshot of the scoreboard to the hfk15 wiki page. 201 kittehs saved!
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08:25 magnuse bonjour sophie_m
08:27 sophie_m hello magnuse
08:27 sophie_m hi #koha
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08:34 gaetan_B hello
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08:40 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B fridolin
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09:03 fridolin bonjour tout le monde
09:03 fridolin you miss me so much
09:04 fridolin HFK was just amazing
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09:11 codavid hi
09:16 magnuse hiya codavid
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09:41 cait morning #koha
09:42 magnuse kia ora cait
09:43 magnuse safely back in the office again?
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09:47 nlegrand Hey #koha!
09:52 magnuse bonjour nlegrand
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09:52 cait yep
09:52 cait got a bit of a cold tho
09:53 magnuse ouch!
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09:53 mveron Hi #Koha
09:59 magnuse hiya mveron
09:59 mveron hiya magnuse :-)
10:00 paul_p hello #koha. I hope everyone is back home safely after #hkf15 !
10:01 * paul_p dropped tomas at the airport tomorrow, after a last trip in the country. he should be in buenos aires in 1 hours, 4 hours before his last plane, for Cordoba
10:01 mveron Hi paul_p. I hope I will make it to Marseille next year!
10:01 paul_p BibLibre office almost cleaned & re-arranged as usual.
10:01 paul_p mveron you'll be welcomed, of course
10:03 cait morning paul_p
10:04 kivilahtio paul_p: I forgot my mouse there!
10:04 kivilahtio morning
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10:06 magnuse mveron: that would be awesome!
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10:42 akafred I am looking at a bug X with multiple patches (first one I look at with more than one, actually, yes I am a noob) - so when I 'git bz apply X' there is a list. I answer (y)es and the first patch doesn't apply cleanly to master. This means the bug should be moved to "doesn't apply", right?
10:44 ashimema_ correct
10:45 magnuse yup
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11:08 akafred conflicts and issues with must be common, right? has been looked at? or some similar tool?
11:09 akafred a drawback with LiquiBase is that it requires java to run the migration, but it solves exactly this problem.
11:11 kivilahtio akafred: I always put my modifications somewhere up to the file
11:12 kivilahtio akafred: I used to put them as the last entry but htey always conflict with everything and that is driving me crazy. So I just "hide" the update subroutine somewhere amongst the v3.8 update routines and less. It is less likely for them to conflict there. The release manager can then sort the statements to the correct place, it is not a big effort.
11:12 kivilahtio so avoid the bottom like plague and put changes somewhere where no-one has touched in a looong time.
11:13 kivilahtio Imagine you are a russian submarine on American waters, where would you hide?
11:13 kivilahtio with this change in my working routine, the things is working quite well.
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11:17 magnuse there has been some work on an improvment
11:17 magnuse i think some people looked at it in marseille
11:17 magnuse akafred: bug 13068
11:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13068 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Passed QA , New feature for DB update and sandbox
11:18 magnuse i don't think anything that requires java on every server will have a high chance of making it into koha
11:18 magnuse but there are perl tools too
11:18 * magnuse can't think of the name of the one he is thinking of right now
11:19 magnuse ah
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11:30 akafred 13068 has passed QA and will
11:31 akafred ... probably appear in not too distant future, I guess...
11:31 * magnuse crosses fingers
11:35 Joubu kivilahtio: how was the club?
11:35 kivilahtio Joubu: I didn't feel like going alone
11:36 Joubu kivilahtio: Did Tomas abandon you?
11:36 kivilahtio Joubu: yes
11:37 Joubu our RM is not funny...
11:37 kivilahtio Joubu: on the hindsight I saw some pictures about the place, I regret a bit I didn't go, but just felt so tired. Next year for sure!
11:37 kivilahtio Joubu: Being a RM is serious business, I heard
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11:58 BobB cait about?
11:58 jcamins kivilahtio: good thing you discovered this updatedatabase trick after I stopped being RM.
11:59 kivilahtio jcamins: :)
12:00 jcamins Actually, I'm surprised Tomas will consider your patches.
12:00 kivilahtio jcamins: I think this is the first time I said this out loud. Maybe things will change
12:01 kivilahtio jcamins: He has pushed some already, so I cannot be that bad.
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12:02 jcamins Tomas is a lot nicer than I am.
12:03 kivilahtio jcamins: maybe a bit too nice? If it makes you happy, I wouldn't push my patches either. But it is a convenient way of sharing the work we do, which is mostly good enough for our current state.
12:03 kivilahtio jcamins: And it is a basis for other people to refine the solution.
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12:11 * magnuse hopes bug 13068 will be pushed soon
12:11 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13068 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Passed QA , New feature for DB update and sandbox
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12:50 mveron Hi again to everybody :-)
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12:54 mveron The use of C4::Dates is depracated. Is there already a  Bug to replace / remove it from Koha?
12:58 mveron ... it blocks Bug 12072
12:58 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12072 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, ASSIGNED , New dateformat
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13:07 akafred JesseM: I split the browser test stuff into a separate repo:
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13:08 JesseM akafred thank you Im looking at that now
13:11 cait mveron: not yet, i think it' smore a step by step thing right now
13:14 mveron cait: The problem is that adding a new date format affects 50+ files (because C4::Date issues error messages for new formats).
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13:26 drojf mveron: we could have a german fork of koha :P
13:26 mveron drojf: Oh no...
13:26 mveron :-)
13:27 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
13:27 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berolinastr., Berlin-Mitte, Berlin, Germany is 14.9°C (2:25 PM CET on March 09, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
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13:32 mveron drojf: I'm afraid that there is no easy workaround to add date format. Difficult to explain to potential users.
13:32 mveron :-(
13:33 drojf in case it is very important to a library, roll your own packages with release+patch until it is resolved?
13:35 mveron The problem is that you have to do a lot of tweaking anyway. To much technical debt. It is better to resolve it at the root.
13:36 drojf i'd consider it broken for german instead of an enhancement, but joubu did not seem to agree ;)
13:37 drojf mveron: what do you mean by much tweaking anyway?
13:38 mveron Wrong word, Fixing, patching, about 50+ files
13:39 mveron Every call to a C4::Date function results in an error message with new format added.
13:43 cait hm could we do a step by step approach?
13:43 cait add the new date format to the new modules and then switch over page by page?
13:43 cait like we did with some of the TT plugins?
13:46 mveron cait: step by step wold be fine, but...
13:46 mveron There are includes with C4::Data. Touching them affects a lot of pages.
13:47 akafred squitch looked interesting magnuse,[…]ch/lib/sqitch.pod
13:47 cait mveron: not sure about the technical aspects :( maybe Joubu culd suggest something
13:49 mveron Joubu: What would you advise regarding Bug 12072 ? What would be the best approach?
13:49 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12072 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, ASSIGNED , New dateformat
13:52 drojf sorry, had to prepare pizza :)
13:52 drojf but have nothing to add, really.
13:52 drojf :/
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14:07 barton afternoon, cait! {morning for me}
14:08 cait morning barton
14:08 cait sorry i had no time yet to look at the index problem again
14:08 cait probably won't before thursday
14:09 barton would you mind taking a peek at bug 6499? I'm *very* interested in knowing why its working for me, but not for you. I've seen similar issues between our test and production environments, but I'm at a total losss.
14:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6499 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, barton, Failed QA , MARC21 035 -- Other-control-number --  Indexing & Matching
14:10 barton *loss -- although losss is more descriptive of my feelings ;-)
14:12 barton no problem. ping me in channel when you get to it, if you don't mind.
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14:40 nlegrand Re #koha.
14:41 nlegrand I'm running into something with 3.19 database update because of Bug 11944
14:41 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
14:42 nlegrand It gives me this : mysql> ALTER TABLE marc_subfield_structure CONVERT TO CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_unicode_ci;
14:42 nlegrand ERROR 1062 (23000): Duplicate entry 'ACQ-995-b' for key 'PRIMARY'
14:42 nlegrand It seems like 'ACQ-995-B' is the same key as 'ACQ-995-b' for utf8_unicode_ci
14:42 nlegrand is this something someone else had trouble with?
14:47 cait sorry, not so far, but it looks troublesome
14:47 cait it looks like it doesn't like uppercase subfield codes maybe? :(
14:48 cait because ci = case insensitive
14:48 cait that woudl be quite bad
14:49 nlegrand I found some info here: <[…]om-latin1-to-utf8>
14:49 nlegrand Someone says UTF8_GENERAL_CI is accent insensitive and UTF8_BIN not.
14:50 nlegrand mysql> ALTER TABLE marc_subfield_structure CONVERT TO CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_bin;Query OK, 12880 rows affected (0.15 sec)
14:50 nlegrand Records: 12880  Duplicates: 0  Warnings: 0
14:50 nlegrand I got no problem with utf8_bin.
14:50 nlegrand Do you think I should open a bug ?
14:51 nlegrand I guesse were not the only ones having same letter with different case insinde same framework and tagfield :)
14:52 nlegrand ho sorry for the scruffy sentence *guess *we're *inside
14:52 nlegrand Joubu: are you there?
15:07 akafred cait: I agree - setting collation to anything but "utf8_bin" for columns that are used as ids, keys, usernames etc sounds like a bad idea, and perhaps a security risk. Perhaps even collation should default to utf8_bin except in fields that explicitly are used to sort for end users. And even in those cases it should be configurable (like we will probably have
15:07 akafred to set it to utf8_danish_ci to get our quirky characters in order).
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15:48 cait nlegrand: would be good to file a bug i think
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15:51 geek_cl Hi guys, We are looking for ways to hide the budget to other libraries in the acquisitions module, each administrator is needed, see the budget that corresponds to your own library and NOT see everything.
15:56 geek_cl any idea ?
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16:18 nlegrand Ok bug 13810 filled :)
16:18 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13810 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Prevent from breaking because of case insensitive utf8 collation
16:23 barton Is there any documentation on the methods that zebra used for fuzzy matching?
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16:49 geek_cl anyone involved with acquisitions/budget module ?
16:56 gaetan_B bye!
17:00 clrh JesseM_away: I am looking for someone from bywater to ping brendan, can you help me ?
17:05 fridolin barton_lunch: the best doc is the source code i'd say
17:08 amyk clrh: can you let me know what you need from brendan?
17:09 clrh amyk: I wanted to know where he put my bed and mattress saturday morning ;) (I sent an email)
17:09 clrh (little bed for child)
17:10 amyk ah okay
17:10 amyk he should answer email then
17:10 clrh :)
17:10 clrh thanks amyk
17:10 fridolin otherwise the only doc is indexdata :
17:10 fridolin barton_lunch:
17:11 amyk no problem clrh any time
17:13 clrh new photos uploaded from hackfest :)
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17:18 barton_lunch thanks fridolin... I was able to bypass the question... what the partner thought was a bug was not a bug.
17:18 fridolin fuzzy does not work very goof
17:18 fridolin goof
17:18 fridolin good
17:19 fridolin querystemming is much more important
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17:23 barton_lunch it could be argued that fuzzy matching does work very goof ( as in goofed up ;-)
17:29 fridolin :D my hands are tired, its evening here
17:29 fridolin see y
17:29 fridolin see U
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17:37 akafred Entered my first bugzilla discussion on bug 13691
17:37 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13691 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Add some selenium scripts
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19:26 barton cait: I have a bug protocol question: I reported bug 13442, which passed QA... that bug fixes buildQuery() for collection codes ... now I've found an exactly analagous bug triggered by 'mc-loc' rather than 'mc-itemtype' (i.e collection code). This suggests that there's code duplication that probably needs to be removed. Do I file a second bug and link back to 13442, or do I change the scope of bug 13442?
19:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13442 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Facet links broken when collection code limit is used
19:27 rangi barton: the former
19:27 barton k. will do.
19:27 rangi if you change the scope of 13442, then it has to go back through the process again
19:27 rangi (unless that's what you want to happen :))
19:33 barton well... I *do* think that 13442 is probably going to end up re-written. It might be something as changing the regex to include 'mc-loc', or there may be code that needs to be ripped out. I'm looking at this through a programmer-scope (aka the core of a roll of paper towels).
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19:58 rangi barton: in that case, yeah id change that back to assigned, note that, then rewrite it and add a new patch
19:58 rangi (sorry had to duck off to take kids to school)
20:02 barton eh. I created a new bug, but made copious notes. I'll see kyle tomorrow anyway.
20:03 * magnuse waves
20:04 * barton waves back to magnuse.
20:05 magnuse hiya barton
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20:07 magnuse kia ora Viktor
20:10 Viktor Kia ora Magnuse :)
20:10 Viktor And all of #koha - it was nice meeting some of you last week!
20:15 magnuse Viktor: yeah, very nice to meet you too again!
20:20 Viktor magnuse: I only wish I could have stayed a day or two more. I was just getting started when it was time to go home. Would have been nice to had a day gathering the nordics in a corner and working :)
20:23 magnuse i feel the same way even though i had 4 days ;-)
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20:24 magnuse we could do a nordic or scandinavian hackfest at some point...
20:24 magnuse kia ora paul_p_
20:24 rangi and invite nzers or something :)
20:25 magnuse definitely!
20:25 magnuse an antipodean hackfest!
20:26 magnuse (hopes that term is not seen as derogatory by the antipodeans)
20:27 rangi i was thinking of running an oceania one at some point
20:27 magnuse yay
20:27 * magnuse would love to sneak in
20:27 rangi :)
20:28 magnuse ...and corner rangi for half a day to talk about ncipserver
20:28 drojf magnuse: you should start organizing one now :)
20:30 magnuse :-)
20:30 drojf or we hack in joensuu ;)
20:32 magnuse that is the first opportunity, i think :-)
20:32 rangi heh
20:34 rangi ill happily go anywhere to explain ncip .. maybe oslo, finland and sweden could combine to pay airfare? :-) (people can't say yes if you don't ask)
20:34 drojf magnuse: are you going?
20:37 drojf scandinavia should definitely pay to fly rangi in :)
20:41 * magnuse thinks so too, but is running out of battery
20:41 magnuse (on his laptop, that is)
20:55 drojf 'how i wanted do look at doing signoffs and had to fix my mediawiki for 2 hours instead' :/
21:01 barton @seen chris_n
21:01 huginn barton: chris_n was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 4 days, 6 hours, 1 minute, and 24 seconds ago: <chris_n> even if its not intuitive behavior :-)
21:02 barton hmm. he seems to be away from his desk...
21:05 barton @later tell chris_n can I ping you on the status of Bug 12553 - copynumber, location not printing correctly on spine labels? I've got a second partner who just ran into the same issue.
21:05 huginn barton: The operation succeeded.
21:14 Viktor Ok so magnuse is out. But let it be known that I agree on the thought of a nordic hackfest.
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21:33 cait more hackfests! :)
21:51 eythian hi
21:54 cait hi eythian
21:55 eythian how's europe this morning?
21:55 eythian still there?
22:04 cait ah sory
22:04 cait just a bit slow tonight
22:05 cait europe is dark
22:08 eythian I hear that happens there sometimes
22:08 eythian It's very much the opposite of dark here.
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23:36 dcook It's a bit overcast today...
23:36 dcook So a little dark?
23:38 dcook I like the idea of an Oceania hackfest :)
23:38 eythian yeah
23:38 eythian we've thought about it
23:40 eythian[…]shite-t-shirt.jpg <-- dcook
23:44 dcook hehe
23:44 dcook I've thought it best to avoid anything Mogwai might do or say aside from their music
23:46 dcook Of course now all I can do is read about it :p
23:48 dcook Anyway, "we" as in Catalyst, eythian?
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23:56 BobB oceana hackfest +1
23:56 BobB Gold Coast?
23:56 eythian dcook: yeah
23:57 eythian BobB: I wouldn't say no to an idea like that...
23:58 BobB there are guys up there who could help plan it, and papa is nearby too
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23:58 BobB or it could alternate between oz and nz
23:59 cait need a qa person for your plans? :P

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