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22:39 PabloAB anyway, thanks a lot for the answer :)
22:39 rangi perhaps yep
22:39 PabloAB Just for a moment I thought jquery/plugins/jquery.highlight-3.js could help me... maybe this plugin could be replaced for other one that do the full job
22:36 rangi i dont think you can touch it with a syspref
22:36 rangi nope afaik the head is in an include
22:36 PabloAB hmm, that's what I'm looking for .Then I can just add CSS and JS code via sysprefs
22:34 PabloAB befor jumping directly to code
22:34 eythian I don't know if the head block is user modifiable
22:33 PabloAB I cant find a syspref or easy/elegant way to add a jquery plugin to head html tag...
22:33 eythian not a bad idea
22:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13829 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Syntax highlighter on source code textareas
22:33 eythian bug 13829
22:32 PabloAB I recently add a new bug report (13829 Syntax highlighter on source code textareas). Just playing around now...
22:32 wahanui bonjour, eythian
22:32 eythian hi
22:32 PabloAB Hi
22:25 eythian weird
22:24 rangi hmm i seem to have them all
22:22 eythian e.g. that 'database error' thread, I'm missing my reply and David's first reply, but got his second.
22:22 eythian one was
22:21 rangi i got all of the recent ones
22:21 rangi getting spam filtered?
22:20 eythian hmm, I'm losing some messages from the koha list
22:20 rangi [off] something similar going on in evergreen at the moment
22:19 eythian it does sound that way, yeah
22:19 rangi [off] university assignment
22:18 eythian [off] that was a little odd
22:17 rtm thanks
22:17 wahanui Welcome to zombo.com
22:17 burdsjm well welcome!
22:16 rtm ok :)
22:16 rtm i'm just interested in learning about koha
22:15 burdsjm then this is it :)
22:15 rtm no
22:15 burdsjm Who is your provider?
22:15 rtm i will check the channel logs
22:15 burdsjm I do more in the ByWater Support channel
22:15 rtm thanks
22:14 rtm ok
22:14 burdsjm absolutely
22:14 burdsjm channel
22:14 burdsjm it's more of a read this chat and question my choice of profession
22:14 rtm you discuss here problems and questions about koha?
22:13 eythian sometimes, anyway
22:13 burdsjm yep
22:13 eythian yep
22:13 rtm this is an active channel?
22:13 rtm Hi!
22:13 burdsjm hello!
22:13 rtm hello
22:12 * rtm slaps burdsjm around a bit with a large fishbot
21:47 rangi sleep well
21:47 magnus_mobile have fun!
21:47 magnus_mobile thanks for your input rangi. i better catch some sleep
21:44 huginn magnus_mobile: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 3.0°C (10:00 PM CET on March 12, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Falling).
21:44 magnus_mobile @wunder boo
21:42 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 21.0°C (10:30 AM NZDT on March 13, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
21:42 eythian @wunder nzwn
21:41 magnus_mobile sorry about that, laptop ran out of juice
21:41 eythian hi
21:37 magnuse yeah, i like that approach
21:36 rangi for koha, id do it with TT
21:35 rangi heh
21:35 magnuse sounds simple enough - how hard can it be ;-)
21:34 rangi and gets another xml message back
21:33 rangi and sends them to a server
21:33 rangi basically a client just writes xml messages
21:33 magnuse hm, i'll have to do some more research on that, then
21:32 rangi there are a lot of ncip clients already
21:32 rangi but you might subtree in the NCIP libs
21:31 rangi they are quite different
21:31 rangi id do that as a separate project
21:31 magnuse yup
21:31 rangi you want it to initiate ncip requests too?
21:31 magnuse that will probably be interesting...
21:30 magnuse hm, i need it to be both
21:30 magnuse (not sure those are the correct terms for ncip)
21:30 rangi thats right
21:30 magnuse oh rangi, one more thing about ncip... did you say NCIPServer as it stands today can only act as a server, not a client?
21:29 magnuse even more people going to github then, probably
21:28 magnuse wow
21:27 rangi http://google-opensource.blogspot.co.nz/2015/03/farewell-to-google-code.html
21:27 magnuse hehe, yeah, that would not be good...
21:27 rangi too
21:27 rangi (they are turning off google code)
21:27 rangi imagine even
21:27 rangi manage if they turned off github
21:27 magnuse yay!
21:27 rangi least its agpvl3 so i can just run my own
21:27 magnuse ouch
21:27 rangi http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/03/03/gitlab-acquires-rival-gitorious-will-shut-june-1/
21:26 magnuse turned it off?
21:26 magnuse or maybe Dyrcona would like to take the lead...
21:26 rangi sometime before they turned it off tho
21:26 rangi but that wont be today
21:26 rangi i need to set up gitorious.koha-community.org one day
21:26 rangi patches would be fine
21:24 magnuse would you like me to email you patches for things like that, or put the code on gitorious and get pull requests or wuld you rather not be bothered?
21:22 rangi ah yep
21:22 magnuse so at least if there is no processingerror, the output is not well formed xml
21:21 magnuse oh and i found a bug in templates/problem.tt - the nesting of xml elements and tt directives is a little off
21:20 magnuse i need to add some more services, so it would be nice to do that on top of a consolidated project...
21:19 magnuse i have had some trouble getting the tests to run, but i probably have to play a bit more with environment variables
21:19 rangi (the better abstraction)
21:18 magnuse lol
21:18 rangi yeah that all looks good to me
21:18 rangi and i have more interesting thigns to do in my free time :)
21:18 magnuse i'll send you some tuits when i find mine
21:18 rangi its unlikely to happen in the nearish future as i have no funding to do more ncip work
21:17 rangi is the basic plan
21:17 rangi then merge the changes, and check all the tests still pass, and fix where they dont
21:17 rangi they need to be increased
21:17 rangi i have tests in t/
21:17 rangi its a matter of round tuit
21:17 magnuse specifically the user/dyrcona/better_abstraction branch
21:12 magnuse rangi: do you have plans for how to merge the work Dyrcona has done on NCIPserver into master?
21:11 magnuse kia ora!
21:08 rangi morning
21:08 rangi yup
21:07 magnuse rangi: around?
20:52 mveron Good night / daytime #koha
19:41 magnuse hiya mveron
19:40 mveron Hi magnuse
19:39 * magnuse waves again
19:37 mtompset Have a great day, #koha mveron drojf cait
19:37 mveron Welcome :-)
19:37 mtompset Thanks for the ideas at least.
19:37 mtompset I'll try something later. Schedule is demanding I go pick up my wife.
19:33 mveron They say that thre is a bug in Excel, workaround is use OpenOffice Calc and then export as CSV file (edit filter settings, choose UTF-8 encoding).
19:31 mveron Maybe http://stackoverflow.com/questions/508558/what-charset-does-microsoft-excel-use-when-saving-files
19:31 mtompset Yes.
19:30 mveron mtompset: But it displays OK in Excel?
19:27 mtompset AMEN to that!
19:27 drojf encoding is one of the worst problems of our time ;)
19:26 drojf hrm
19:26 mtompset I got one string working, but not all of them.
19:26 mtompset I did look there.
19:26 mtompset That's only partly helped?
19:25 drojf mtompset: http://perldoc.perl.org/Encode.html ?
19:25 mtompset Not helpful... the CSV loses the information.
19:22 * mveron does not like Excel very much
19:22 mveron Is it just one file or is it a repeating task?
19:22 mveron mtompset: I would try to save from Excel to a csv file and see what happens there. Or open / save it with LibreOffice with various settings.
19:20 mtompset The W, for example, is a CTRL+B and W.
19:20 mtompset That is what Dumper does show
19:20 mtompset Gazlavay a wuWndakwar kalah, Yaa sYrkakwa mey Kga Gazlavay = Dieu nous aime beaucoup, Nous apprenons la Parole de Dieu
19:19 mtompset That's what Dumper should show.
19:19 mtompset Gazlavay a wuɗndakwar kalah, Yaa sərkakwa mey ŋga Gazlavay = Dieu nous aime beaucoup, Nous apprenons la Parole de Dieu
19:19 mtompset For example.
19:19 mtompset the problem is these characters aren't being read/converted properly.
19:18 mtompset And then building a MARCXML file.
19:18 mtompset I am using Spreadsheet::ParseExcel to read it.
19:18 mtompset mveron: I have an XLS spreadsheet. There are some funky characters in it.
19:17 mveron mtompset: What do you want to do?
19:14 mveron drojf: This set is easy to test, because the patches do not depend from each other.
19:12 mveron :-)
19:12 drojf mveron++ # wow you already did a lot of them
19:10 mtompset Anyone have ideas on how to tweak a string into a utf8 one?
19:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13813 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Remove deprecated module C4::Dates from system
19:10 * mveron ...goes back to Bug 13813 ... Still lot stuff to be done...
19:09 drojf hi mtompset
19:09 mveron Hi mtompset :-)
19:09 mtompset Greetings, mveron drojf cait.
19:05 mveron drojf: Yeah, looks OK now...
19:04 drojf mveron: to test just see if the text after the rss icon is the same size (it was bigger with your patch)
19:04 cait very slow today
19:04 * cait is still trying to read the meeting minutes
19:02 mveron Oh, thanks. It was to early in he morning....
19:01 drojf i squashed it together
19:01 drojf because i added a slash
19:00 drojf maybe you want so signoff too
19:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13826 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , OPAC: Display RSS icon on list of recent comments
19:00 drojf i followupped bug 13826
19:00 mveron hi drojf
19:00 wahanui hi mveron are you ther yet
19:00 drojf hi mveron
18:59 mveron Hi again #koha
18:10 huginn mtompset: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 day, 6 hours, 5 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> slef++
18:10 mtompset @seen gmcharlt
18:10 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
17:24 drojf be careful. they are really salty. meh
17:23 drojf hey! :D
17:22 * cait runs off with the ptoato chips
17:22 cait hm ok
17:22 drojf cait: not today. but way too salty potato chips. crisps for the british part of the channel ;)
17:20 cait drojf: do you have chocolate too?
17:07 * ashimema scrabbles for wine gums
16:52 * drojf throws wine gums into #koha
15:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: delete language directories
15:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update implementation checklist
15:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add links to cron to usagestats prefs
15:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add hea cron
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14:28 drojf heh :)
14:28 * magnuse cheers drojf on
14:27 drojf i wonder if i should hand in a talk for bibliothekartag 2016 titled something like "open access, open source, open fernleihe? use an open ILL protocol already"
14:24 drojf looks like it was never mentioned on the mailing list
14:23 cait we will, but not yet
14:23 drojf cait: have you done migrations from bibliotheca2000 to koha?
14:19 magnuse libraries should not use proprietary standards. end of discussion.
14:19 magnuse drojf++
14:18 drojf anyway i think it's pretty bad to use a proprietary standard for that :(
14:17 drojf i will ask wildau too. they use sisis sunrise, that's where slnp comes from. it may be possible they are doing some secret stuff about that
14:16 drojf but it was just 2 days ago
14:16 drojf no answer yet
14:16 cait and?
14:16 drojf lol
14:16 * drojf is young and wild
14:16 drojf i sent oclc an email asking about documentation and implementation in free software ;)
14:16 cait unless you can get agreement from oclc
14:15 cait it would have to be a plugin or something... probably not public
14:15 cait yeah it hink you can't put slnp into koha
14:15 drojf i am not sure how the email thingy works but it sounds pretty oldschool and not really like automation
14:14 drojf cait: my findings are that slnp is standard procedure, proprietary and owned by oclc. and there is some kind of email template if slnp cannot be used.
14:12 cait but hard to tell how much we could use easily
14:12 cait i think generally it's looking interesting
14:12 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, magnuse
14:12 magnuse awesome!
14:12 cait there is not a general standard i think as it depends how you do ill and with which sevice center you are working
14:11 magnuse i think that was the question...
14:11 magnuse cait: what would it take for koha to support german ill, and is the work done by ptfse a step in the right direction
14:10 cait my head is not working today
14:10 cait huh?
14:07 magnuse cait was part of our ill discussion in marseille, so she probably has some thoughts about it
14:07 magnuse yeah, i don't know how things work in germany
14:07 magnuse yup, correct wiki page
14:05 drojf at the moment i am not sure what to do for ILL germany. it seems to be all based on a proprietary format. it's great when the ILL servers and ILS come from the same vendor ^^
14:03 drojf magnuse: ah i guess you mean http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ILL_Module
13:59 drojf where would i find that?
13:59 drojf magnuse: not sure
13:58 magnuse drojf: have you seen the work ptfs-europe have been doing?
13:57 drojf got more questions about ILL in koha in the webinar. i think it's a deal breaker :/
13:51 mveron hello drojf :-)
13:49 drojf hello again :)
13:23 Dyrcona No problem.
13:22 magnuse just making sure i don't misinterpret something
13:22 magnuse ok, thanks
13:21 Dyrcona All of the implementations I've ever seen use HTTP(S) as the carrier.
13:21 Dyrcona I don't think anyone actually does raw NCIP.
13:20 Dyrcona Yes, that is correct.
13:20 magnuse Dyrcona: am i right in thinking that the ncipserver currently only really supports http(s), and that the raw support is really just a placeholder (# place holder code, just echo at the moment)?
13:02 Dyrcona I'd probably make a new branch based on that one to make the Koha changes and then merge the new branch.
13:01 Dyrcona Yeah.
13:01 magnuse and what needs to be done is merge the branch user/dyrcona/better_abstraction into master?
13:00 magnuse yeah, i have very little overlap with rangi. but i could try and nag a little
12:59 Dyrcona It's tricky sometimes coordinating with the time zone differences, and it might be easier for me in that respect.
12:58 Dyrcona I could, or it might mean more coming from you, particularly since you want to work on it.
12:58 magnuse Dyrcona: would you prefer to nag rangi into doing it?
12:53 Dyrcona I don't really have a system to test it with though, just Evergreen.
12:53 Dyrcona I could do it as long as I'm careful to make sure that the same data goes to the same calls.
12:53 Dyrcona A few hours, I'd imagine.
12:52 magnuse do you think it will take a lot of work?
12:52 magnuse hehe
12:52 Dyrcona Not nearly as well as rangi... ;)
12:52 magnuse at least not as well as rangi, eh? ;-)
12:51 Dyrcona I'd prefer he do the Koha side of things, 'cause I don't really know Koha that well.
12:51 Dyrcona OK. We'll have to bug rangi about it later to see who will do what and when.
12:50 magnuse i plan to contribute to/work on that code in the next 2-3 months, and it would be nice to have unified base to work on
12:50 magnuse if you had a plan for reconciling your work
12:49 magnuse yeah, that was what i wanted to ask you about
12:49 Dyrcona magnuse: Did you have any particular question in mind?
12:48 Dyrcona We need to merge the two branches and change his code to conform to how I altered the calling conventions.
12:47 Dyrcona It's more like he was working on mine, but whatevs.... He just got there first. :)
12:47 magnuse hiya Dyrcona - i see you have been working on rangi's NCIPServer?
12:37 octo19 if it wasn't obvious, I was not the one who set this up :)
12:37 cait tcohen: nice photos :)
12:36 octo19 ah ok
12:36 cait but in order to find them again, you need zebra
12:36 cait your records are saved into the database
12:36 octo19 so zebra controls the index and library entry portion of Koha?
12:35 tcohen hi cait
12:35 tcohen akafred: yes, they presented it on KohaCon14
12:34 cait hola tcohen
12:34 tcohen hi magnuse
12:34 magnuse hola tcohen
12:30 cait an update wouldn't fix that - but it's still not necessarily a bad idea
12:29 cait if you save records and can't search for them - the problem is most likely the zebra not being set up correctly
12:29 octo19 I think updating is my next step...I'll try that and see what happens
12:28 cait sounds like the problem might be in your setup
12:28 cait octo19: updating in general might be a good idea since your version is quite old, but it might not solve your issues
12:27 cait hm mveron i meant
12:27 cait drojf: was introduced later i think
12:15 * mveron Has a meeting, sorry
12:14 octo19 mveron the zebra server status on that page seems to be normal...it tells me what version of zebra, etc.
12:14 octo19 droif it looks like it is running...we are using debian.
12:11 drojf *debian packages
12:10 mveron octo19:Maybe you see on the About page a Tab "System information". If yes, the Tab "Server information" should say something about your Zebra server not running. Not sure, maybe this was introduced in a later version.
12:10 drojf a 'ps aux | grep zebra' could be a start. also it would be good to know what kind of installation you are using. are you using ebian packages (on debian or ubuntu)?
12:08 octo19 drojf
12:08 octo19 How can I check that?
12:05 drojf is your zebra server running? is the zebra cron job for indexing running?
12:04 octo19 does anyone have an idea as to why the entires we edit or add do not show up?
12:03 octo19 ah ok. makes more sense.
12:02 mveron With 3.12 the bootstrap theme was introduced for the OPAC . It was possible to switch between different themes using a system preference. Meanwhile it is bootstrap only.
12:02 magnuse they do llok different, yes
12:01 drojf well, it's a different interface :P
12:01 octo19 The admin interface looks different than OPAC
12:00 drojf why do you think it is a different version? that seems very unlikely
11:56 octo19 Yes
11:55 mveron What do you mean by the user interface? OPAC?
11:54 octo19 However it seems the admin page is on a different version than the user interface? is that possible?
11:53 mveron :-)
11:53 octo19 Got it. Version 3.12.04.000
11:48 wahanui rumour has it Web interface is working right this moment
11:48 mveron Web interface
11:48 octo19 is that in CLI?
11:47 octo19 mveron I don't see that option.
11:45 mveron octo19: Go to the 'About' page in staff client
11:43 octo19 The boss is on my tail to get these problems solved :)
11:41 octo19 Sorry, just learning this. Is the 'About' page accessible via the web interface or only CLI?
11:37 drojf akafred: try again :)
11:35 akafred ... and gone ... I guess the answer would have been to start by looking in the "About Koha"-page in Intra?
11:24 octo19 Thank you in advance for any help
11:24 octo19 Hello, we use an old version of Koha. I need to be able to find out what version of Koha we have and how easy it is to upgrade. We are having issues with edits to entires not being saved and the inability to add new entires.
11:16 ashimema it's an IdP for which you can plugin any back end database you want provided you can code a bit of php
11:16 ashimema Would be interested to try ;) SimpleSamlPHP (that's that open fiede project magnus mentioned earlier) does exactly that..
11:15 akafred Good info.
11:15 akafred Ok.
11:15 ashimema I've not yet.. haven't had a customer asking for it..
11:15 ashimema i.e. all the auth mechanisms are really about allowing koha to consume other's authentication.. though of course SIP2, and the API's allow for authenticating against koha thus can sort of act as a provider
11:14 akafred I mean backed by the borrowsers table?
11:14 akafred Have you tried using it as a auth service/provider?
11:13 ashimema koha at the minute is only designed to be an Auth consumer.. not an auth provider really..
11:13 ashimema I'm sure there's probably a way... but they'd need coding ;)
11:13 akafred Ok.
11:13 ashimema and i don't think there is a push mechanism for shibboleth.. as far as I know
11:12 ashimema as far as I'm aware at least..
11:12 ashimema I don't think Koha supports push to ldap directory
11:12 ashimema H,,,
11:12 ashimema You could however if you so chose to do so, have Koha's borrowers table act as you're background store of users and put a shibboleth IdP in front of it.
11:12 akafred Stored I understand, but created by some other mechanism, or would Koha actually create new users in LDAP (if allowed)?
11:11 ashimema your using LDAP/Active Directory or whatever as your definitive source of users.. so yes.. that's where the user should be stored
11:07 akafred Also with LDAP?
11:05 akafred If you use shibboleth, do you do user creation outside Koha?
11:04 ashimema (OAuth is similar to shibboleth/saml but uses a different browser side agreement system)
11:03 ashimema all good fun.
11:03 ashimema thus in the shibboleth model, the service provider is never privy to such information.. they just get given a secret handshake to varify you are who you say you are..
11:02 ashimema SAML/Shibboleth: Go and ask so and so to tell me you are who you say you are.
11:02 ashimema LDAP: Give me your username and password and I'll pass them along to someone who can varify they're right
11:01 magnuse nice
11:01 ashimema workflow to explain the above
11:01 ashimema LDAP also requires the Identity information to be exchanged between parties.. thus your local application is given some level of information about users by the ldap provider.. people like SAML/Shibboleth if they're in hyper paranoid zones.. as at no point does a username/password pass through a srvice providers clutches.
11:00 magnuse i am not sure if it saml under another name, or if it is saml + norwegian adaptations
10:59 magnuse akafred: you might want to look into FEIDE too, that is somehoiw related to SAML feide.no
10:59 magnuse makes sense
10:59 magnuse ah, ok
10:59 ashimema Shibboleth and CAS I believe both offer 'Single Sign On', whereas LDAP offer 'Single Login/Password Combination over Multiple Sign On)
10:58 ashimema Suppose it's about what you're wanting to achieve on that front magnuse.
10:58 akafred :--)
10:57 ashimema I'd say if you can guarantee 99%+ uptime on your IdP then shibboleth it a really nice way to go.. it's so seamless (And that would mean I'd have another person to punt bugs to test at ;) )
10:56 magnuse why not use ldap directly if you have to have that in the wings anyway?
10:56 akafred ashimema++
10:56 akafred Awesome. We'll probably have to go more into this in a while.
10:56 ashimema (and am still the koha auth module maintainer for a little while yet.. though I really need to catch back up on my duties on that front)
10:56 ashimema feel free to quiz me.. I know auth pretty well these days..
10:55 akafred Yep, I am starting to figure that out.
10:54 ashimema also.. Shibboleth is simply the medium of transport really.. you still require LDAP/Active Directory or some other storage mechanism behind it at the IdP end
10:53 ashimema I'd love to see Koha have a full OAuth2 implementation in the near future too.. as my feeling is that's the way forward in general..
10:52 ashimema akafred.. hopefully that gives you some places to start
10:52 ashimema Shibboleth = SAML2, SAML2 = Shibboleth btw
10:52 ashimema It's the tidiest (in my opinion) single sign on solution if your IdP is bombproof.. if you're IdP is not bombproof you will get directed off to a broken service and never get directed back again.
10:52 * magnuse lets akafred ask the followup questions
10:51 ashimema The drawback of shibboleth is that the IdP hosting has to be bomb proof.. as there is no easy mechanism of fallback
10:50 ashimema We run one test IdP shibboleth wise.. for my development work.. but we in theory offer IdP hosting as a service (where we could use an IdP hosted by us to ensure seamless sign on to all our apps (and anyone elses using Shib/SAML2) in one step
10:49 ashimema We havn't yet seen a public wanting to do it.. and I can't see why they would.. unless they were using Shib as an OAuth gateway.. which is perfectly viable (i.e. login with google account details for instance)
10:48 ashimema We have a few customers using Shibboleth, Law Firms, Universities and Colleges
10:48 ashimema Biblibre has a few customers using CAS I believe.. universities mostly.
10:48 magnuse or are there other systems using it as a protocol?
10:48 magnuse what is that used for? do you run a shibboleth server that holds all your users?
10:47 magnuse you worked on shibboleth, right?
10:47 magnuse :-)
10:46 ashimema you called
10:45 magnuse and i think ashimema did the work on shib?
10:45 magnuse i think biblibre has been working on cas, so maybe someone there knows
10:44 akafred Yep, I have seen that , but I am curious which are actually used, and which are recommended.
10:41 magnuse akafred: koha supports LDAP, CAS, Shibboleth. so i guess those protocols are used for that sort of thing
10:39 magnuse much better atheia ;-)
10:36 akafred of sign-in mechanisms)? What do you recommend?
10:36 akafred Currently Oslo uses the proprietary ILS as their "Identity Provider" (using a SIP2 service as the authentication service). As we are building more services and also other systems need auth/identity this becomes a bit cumbersome (few have SIP2 as a possible auth mechanism ...). What Identity Providers are others using for Koha + other stuff to (reduce number
10:36 atheia hei magnuse! :-)
10:36 atheia magnuse: ah, sincere apologies! Let me try again:
10:33 magnuse atheia: hej is swedish, hei is norwegian ;-)
10:26 atheia Hej magnuse (rather belatedly *sheepish*)
10:01 * magnuse spins up a new linode to run an ill demo on
09:49 akafred No sweat, just fun that they started work on it immediately after I mentioned it :-)
09:48 Joubu s/try to// :)
09:48 Joubu akafred: ok thanks, will try to have a look
09:46 akafred Joubu: https://github.com/gempesaw/Selenium-Remote-Driver/pull/189 ..... Still WIP, but ...
09:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13789 major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , facets with accented utf-8 characters generate double encoded links
09:38 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Revert "Bug 13789 - facets with accented utf-8 characters generate double encoded links"
09:38 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_U12 build #46: FIXED in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_U12/46/
09:38 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
09:38 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
09:37 nlegrand :)
09:37 cait nlegrand: you shoudl totally ask them to submit
09:30 nlegrand That's good enough for me :)
09:28 nlegrand :)
09:28 magnuse or disinterested
09:28 magnuse you can sign it off, but i think it would need an independent signoff too?
09:25 nlegrand another question about Koha process dev, if we open a public market and pay someone for some dev, is it ok to ask them to put it on the bugzilla and for us to sign it when we're satisfied? (still thinking about separate quota for on-site checkout)
09:21 cait :)
09:21 nlegrand cait: great! Thank you :)
09:20 cait then the uncheck all/check all will appear :)
09:20 cait and limit to a vendor
09:20 cait use the filter on the left
09:20 nlegrand thanks ^^
09:20 cait let me find it
09:20 nlegrand cait: I can't an a 3.18 and master right now
09:19 cait i thought
09:19 cait nlegrand: i think you can do all for one vendor at once
09:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7481 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, CLOSED DUPLICATE, Select all/Deselect all on the late orders list (Claim order button)
09:13 nlegrand it's still not possible to check all late orders list as bug 7481 proposed?
09:09 Viktor Hi Magnuse!
09:08 magnuse moin drojf atheia Viktor
09:06 drojf night rangi, moin cait and magnuse
09:05 cait night rangi
09:04 mveron Good night, rangi
09:04 magnuse sleep tight rangi!
09:04 rangi right time for sleep for me
09:03 magnuse yeah, library tech tends to do that
09:03 magnuse lulz
09:03 rangi cos ... well who knows why really, someone really liked 1969 and it's protocols maybe
09:03 magnuse ah, so one is http(s) and one is raw, gotcha
09:03 magnuse ooh "The Oslo Perl Mongers are happy to invite you to the Nordic Perl Workshop, May 8-10th 2015. This year is special in that the NPW is being organized as a part of the Nordic Open Source Developers' Conference (OSDC.no)." http://act.osdc.no/osdc2015no/
09:03 rangi to be fully compliant you have to support, http, https and raw
09:02 rangi one starts up a server listening on a port
09:02 rangi one starts up an http server (dancer)
09:02 mveron ...and to magnuse and all the others...
09:02 wahanui hi mveron are you ther yet
09:02 cait hi mveron
09:01 * mveron waves to cait :-)
09:00 magnuse ncip_dancing.pl and start_server.pl
09:00 magnuse rangi: i know you explained it once before, but i didn't take notes... :-( what's the difference between the two scripts in the bin of NCIPserver?
08:59 cait making screenshots for the user meeting of course turned up some more finding (such things always do)
08:58 cait will test
08:58 cait i found some more paging issues, but they should be translation safe
08:58 cait and weekend
08:58 cait oh so soon
08:54 * magnuse waves
08:54 rangi 15th
08:54 cait rangi - when is the freeze for translation again?
08:52 rangi but i can push it to 3.18.x if it is needed and once its pushed to master
08:52 * rangi isnt part of the QA team
08:52 * cait waves
08:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13601 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Get rid of DateTime::Format::DateParse
08:45 mveron rangi: For possible changes to DateUtils.pm, it would be great to have Bug 13601 QAed / pushed
08:42 rangi mveron++
08:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13789 major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , facets with accented utf-8 characters generate double encoded links
08:39 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Revert "Bug 13789 - facets with accented utf-8 characters generate double encoded links"
08:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_D7 build #69: FIXED in 27 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_D7/69/
08:39 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
08:39 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
08:38 rangi you can choose between discovery and the catalogue in the drop down
08:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13813 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Remove deprecated module C4::Dates from system
08:38 * mveron did a first tiny step for Bug 13813...
08:37 rangi https://library.niwa.co.nz/
08:37 rangi and in action
08:37 rangi plugin https://github.com/ebsco/edsapi-koha-plugin
08:37 drojf :D
08:36 rangi that's exactly what working with it is like
08:36 wahanui http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/68930308689/working-on-ncip-kohails
08:36 rangi ncip?
08:36 wahanui i heard ncip was NISO, SIP is 3M
08:36 rangi ncip?
08:36 rangi it's AWESOME
08:36 rangi so its http in the clear, with no authentication or sessions
08:35 drojf [off] speaking of horrible standards, i wonder if i will hear from oclc about their proprietary ILL protocol that is used as a standard in germany ^^
08:35 rangi also, most ILL systems dont care about security and the standard leaves it out
08:35 rangi basically you win nothing except complexity over SIP2
08:34 rangi consequently every single ILL system does it different
08:34 akafred They have made it too general.
08:34 rangi the standard does not specify what can be between the value tags
08:34 akafred Yep.
08:33 rangi <RequestedActionType>
08:33 rangi <Value>Hold For Pickup And Notify</Value>
08:33 wahanui it has been said that the standard is to rewrite it with Javascript, which isn't a great solution.
08:33 rangi the standard
08:32 akafred is it xml that is the problem, or the ncip standard?
08:31 nlegrand hey #koha!
08:30 rangi you have to actually implement natural language parsing
08:30 rangi it's that bad
08:30 rangi actually i would
08:29 akafred rangi: Would you prefer it to be MARC? ;-)
08:29 rangi akafred: a good example of the plugins, is the EDS plugin
08:29 rangi liw: :)
08:28 rangi and thats the simplest message there is
08:28 liw rangi, I think you have been misled and have not read the Important Hacker Memorandum that sets down the rule that anything that uses XML is pretty and perfect
08:28 rangi to look up a borrower
08:28 rangi all that
08:28 rangi http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/NCIPServer.git;a=blob;f=t/sample_data/LookupUser.xml;h=04024ce140dc3453198f33624b5ce3be9555ff46;hb=27fd8336daf9c651ce60af913df3c76da67f1820
08:27 rangi it really really is a horrible standard
08:27 rangi and calls the appropriate functions in whatever ils you have behind it
08:27 drojf lol
08:27 rangi all you need is a server that speaks the incredibly stupid pile of xml that ncip is
08:26 rangi you dont need to extend anything in koha to do ncip
08:26 rangi plugins are for extending koha
08:26 akafred Hm. Where can I learn more about plugins? And the NCIP-server?
08:25 rangi so no, that wouldnt make any sense
08:25 rangi its a driver for NCIP
08:25 rangi eh?
08:24 akafred Could the Koha driver be a plugin?
08:24 rangi there's just a Koha driver, (and an Evergreen one) and whatever else to the NCIP server
08:22 rangi theres no point in tying an ncip server that tightly to koha
08:22 rangi no and no
08:21 akafred (Or even, is the one that exists a plugin?)
08:21 akafred Hm. Poor example. Let me try another one: Could an NCIP server possibly be a plugin?
08:19 drojf akafred: can't answer the question about the plugin system, but what kind of country specific features are you thinking of?
08:18 akafred The Koha Plugin system, would that be a natural place to extend Koha with country specific features? Are there limitations to it's use?
08:17 drojf i hope so ;)
08:16 mveron it will come back...
08:16 drojf spring went over soon :(
08:16 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 3.0°C (8:50 AM CET on March 12, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Rising).
08:15 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
08:15 mveron and hi everybody :-)
08:15 drojf hi mveron :)
08:15 mveron Hi drojf :-)
08:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #63 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:09 drojf morning #koha
08:00 fridolin hie all
07:56 alex_a bonjour
07:39 jenkins_koha Starting build #62 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: FIXED)
07:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13753 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , INDEXER_DAEMON default is incorrect in koha-indexer
07:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13473 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Plugins fail when loading templates
07:39 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13753: koha-indexer contains invalid statement
07:39 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13473 - Plugins fail
07:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_U14 build #61: FIXED in 33 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_U14/61/
07:39 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
07:39 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
07:36 reiveune hello
07:22 mveron hi josef_moravec :-)
07:13 mveron What a bright day!
07:12 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is -1.0°C (8:00 AM CET on March 12, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
07:12 mveron @wunder Allschwil
07:12 mveron Good daytime #koha
07:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #61 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #59 11 days ago)
05:32 dcook Hmm, already using the bootstrap-ie7.css apparently...
05:30 dcook ta
05:30 * eythian &
05:30 eythian later
05:30 eythian time for me to go
05:30 eythian ah right
05:29 dcook Done it enough with DSpace in the past for it to be not too much of a thing though
05:29 dcook I'm not 100% sure that I actually need to in this case
05:29 dcook :(
05:28 eythian yeah, we had to support a government dept on XP up until far too late last year
05:28 dcook There are so many government departments that would probably work way better on Linux
05:28 dcook I think once people actually leave Windows XP, it might be over
05:27 dcook Only like...technically
05:27 eythian IE7...isn't that deprecated by now?
05:26 dcook Take that IE7
05:26 dcook Aha... found it
05:25 dcook I want to say there is a "bootstrap-ie7.css" file out there... I think we've even used it. I should rack it down again
05:24 dcook Yeah, it's sad making
05:24 eythian it's the only option so often
05:24 * dcook must be talking about IE, if he's willing to go with a workaround
05:24 dcook Aha... found a workaround
05:23 dcook Hmm hate when a fix doesn't work..
05:20 eythian heh
05:20 dcook Or patches sent to remove them from Koha/Zebra :p
05:15 eythian but, they need to be implemented...
05:15 eythian I bet almost no one ever uses these options anyway
05:14 * dcook shudders
05:13 eythian however "is" means exact
05:13 eythian it turns out when it says "exact", it doesn't quite mean that.
05:12 eythian I don't like how authority searching has modes, of which two are "is" and "exact"
05:12 dcook Chore night I guess
05:11 dcook Thursday...
05:11 dcook I barely know what day of the week it is...
05:11 dcook :D
05:11 eythian no :)
05:11 dcook I hope your computer isn't the location for both :p
05:09 eythian this works out well
05:09 eythian I'm double booked this evening. Fortunately, both events chose the same location.
05:05 dcook Hmm suddenly I'm craving donuts...
04:59 dcook For the term query
04:59 dcook I figured the analyser probably wasn't being applied..
04:58 dcook Hmm, I think I'd have to read more to know more
04:55 eythian when you first build an index, it loads the field mappings from the database and generates a big pile of elasticsearch mappings to create the index with
04:54 dcook keyboard brain!
04:54 eythian I'm losing the ability to connect brain to keyboard
04:54 eythian above
04:54 eythian s/provided/applied/ aboce
04:54 eythian I have
04:54 dcook Can you provide them?
04:54 eythian *applied
04:53 eythian my issue was that I was expecting the search analysers to be provided
04:53 dcook I wonder why the term query wouldn't be analysed :S
04:53 eythian yeah
04:53 dcook Hmm this seems relevant but you probably already know all this: http://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/guide/current/_controlling_analysis.html
04:50 dcook I wonder about that sort of thing all the time
04:49 eythian really, it should probably respect the caps all the way through to be properly precise, but that's going too far I feel
04:49 eythian the authority stuff seems to be (perhaps overly) precise
04:49 eythian yeah
04:49 dcook But you want to be more specific?
04:48 eythian it's what I'm using for biblio searching, it lets you use more lucene style queries
04:48 dcook Mmm
04:48 eythian it feels more freeform than I want for authority searching.
04:48 * dcook isn't even sure what that means :)
04:48 eythian I really really don't want to use the query type if I can help it.
04:47 eythian that does sound like my issue
04:47 eythian ah
04:47 eythian an
04:46 dcook But it's saying something about term not being analyzed? :S
04:45 dcook Admittedly I don't really understand ES (yet)
04:45 dcook http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24811243/elasticsearch-lowercase-filter-search
04:45 dcook Haha
04:45 eythian I'd like ideas.
04:45 eythian oh, you might have an idea?
04:45 eythian It's not the case thing
04:45 eythian the query is the bit that follows "query" above.
04:45 eythian what do you mean?
04:44 dcook What query are you using for Peter?
04:44 dcook Hmm, might have something about the case thing..
04:43 eythian as my .phrase fields aren't tokenised.
04:43 eythian well, not only that, I had to search in say, 'Heading.phrase'
04:42 eythian (err, modulo caps, I copied the wrong test)
04:42 eythian previously, I had to search the specific field that was in, I couldn't search _all as that was tokenised
04:41 eythian but searching for "Vial, Pete" won't result in anything (which is what I want)
04:41 eythian will find an authority that has that name in a field
04:41 eythian }'
04:41 eythian }
04:41 eythian "term" : { "_allphrase" : "Vial, Peter" }
04:41 eythian "query" : {
04:41 eythian {
04:41 eythian $ curl -XPOST 'http://koha-es:9200/koha_robin_authorities/_search?pretty=1' -d '
04:41 dcook :o
04:41 dcook What's an example? :)
04:41 eythian still haven't sorted the case issue, but I think I'll cheat and lc() it from perl for now.
04:40 eythian which isn't ideal, but it'll do.
04:40 * dcook isn't sure what this all means but yay for working
04:40 eythian so I could make one with the parameters I want, and now I just have to remember to use _allphrase instead of _all where appropriate.
04:40 dcook :D
04:40 eythian *tell
04:40 eythian turns out you can create a fake field and tall everything else to copy their content into it
04:40 eythian phrase searching across all fields now works
04:39 eythian yay!
04:27 * dcook is easily amused
04:27 dcook Even IE doesn't think it's very good...
04:26 IE hehe
04:26 huginn IE: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
04:26 IE IE--
04:26 dcook Hmm..
04:26 dcook For good measure
04:26 dcook IE--
04:25 huginn eythian: Karma for "IE" has been increased 0 times and decreased 18 times for a total karma of -18.
04:25 eythian @karma IE
04:24 eythian yeah
04:23 dcook IE is so terribad...
04:07 eythian damn, that didn't work.
04:06 * eythian tries something...
04:05 eythian because _all only seems to work with "real" fields, and my phrase field is sorta a synthetic one.
04:05 eythian annoying, as far as I can tell, I can't do a proper phrase search across all fields.
04:04 eythian heh
04:04 * dcook goes back to pretending not to be distracted by eythian and his ES ways
04:04 dcook "The" will*
04:04 dcook The will appear in everything, so it's certainly way less relevant than "pickle"
04:04 dcook "The pickle"
04:04 dcook Then I realized that doesn't make sense
04:04 dcook I was like "But... but if it's in lots of indexes, surely it's relevant!"
04:04 dcook Inverse document frequency took me a minute to puzzle out
04:02 dcook Although not sure what "enough data" might be :p
04:01 dcook Mmm I like that
03:57 eythian http://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/guide/current/relevance-is-broken.html <-- zebra needs a page like this
03:53 dcook I think I'd have to look more at a functional ES to start trying to help solve the problem :)
03:53 dcook haha
03:53 mtompset Have a great day, #koha dcook eythian rangi
03:52 mtompset Have fun, eythian. :)
03:51 eythian damn
03:51 eythian does that mean you're not going to solve my problem here?
03:51 dcook I'll have to look more deeply another time :)
03:46 dcook Mmm interesting
03:45 eythian I'm not using that at the moment
03:44 eythian http://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/analysis-icu-plugin.html <-- dcook
03:41 dcook Now just need moar hands
03:40 dcook Just sandwiches :p
03:30 * eythian waits for dcook to return with a case of wine
03:29 dcook Well, brb. It won't take that long..
03:29 dcook Ok, bbiab
03:28 dcook It's a tough life
03:28 eythian the problems you have :)
03:27 dcook And I'm too comfy at the moment :p
03:27 * dcook would probably have to walk 5 minutes to buy a case
03:27 dcook But they're too pricy
03:27 dcook There's actually a wine shop next door I think
03:26 dcook Hmm, I do work by 2 different universities...
03:26 eythian you have students there, right? There's bound to be a 30 minute delivery service.
03:24 * dcook shakes his head with disappointment
03:24 dcook But not same day delivery
03:24 dcook Nah, they deliver beer too...
03:24 dcook Actually, I think Coles does deliver alcohol... although it might just be wine?
03:24 dcook Of course, if they just kept the fridge stocked...
03:24 dcook Well, I don't want a hired hand sitting in my living room at 10pm
03:21 eythian dcook: 18 here
03:21 eythian longer than if you just hired one
03:20 dcook If I start growing a child now, how long until they can fetch me beer? :p
03:20 dcook What's the drinking age in New Zealand?
03:20 dcook Of course the lackey could go and buy beer...
03:20 dcook I know, right?
03:18 eythian but, the beer one is certainly useful
03:18 eythian that dog needed some new tricks
03:18 * dcook doesn't think the dog could pour whiskey either
03:18 dcook Admittedly, a toasted sandwich might be more complicated...
03:17 dcook Could open the fridge, fetch him a beer, close the fridge, and bring back the beer
03:17 dcook The dude who taught me how to weld had a dog named Whiskey
03:17 dcook I used to think I needed a lackey, but maybe I just need a really smart dog...
03:17 dcook And now that I'm comfy, I'm hestitant to get up a make a sammich
03:17 dcook I missed lunch :/
03:17 dcook Hehe. It took me a while.
03:16 eythian that's what I've been hinting at for a while now :)
03:16 dcook Sweet
03:16 dcook Yeah?
03:16 eythian yeah
03:16 dcook Non-MARC stuff
03:16 dcook Ooo, we could index all sorts of stuff
03:14 eythian there's also a BuildSummary method that does a lot of complicated things.
03:14 wahanui i guess Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
03:14 dcook Interesting
03:14 dcook :S
03:14 eythian when searching authorities, we take a set of bits of it, based on the type, and make it into a long string like aThisbThancThe next thing
03:13 wahanui rumour has it an example is probably a status change
03:13 dcook What's an example?
03:13 dcook :D
03:11 eythian we can just chuck those into the record when we index it
03:11 dcook I forgot you could plug in different analysers
03:11 eythian there's places where values are derived from parts of a record.
03:11 dcook Rather do it once than a million times..
03:11 dcook Well, depending on what we're doing I guess
03:11 rangi that makes sense
03:11 dcook Yeah, that'd be nice
03:10 eythian I really want to push more logic to the index phase rather than the search phase.
03:09 eythian and we can plug in analysers if we like
03:09 eythian this should be able to handle a lot of things by magic
03:09 dcook And I even bought the ebook
03:09 * dcook still hasn't gotten past the first few chapters of PBP
03:09 dcook Yeah, I've pondered doing similar things
03:09 dcook hehe
03:08 eythian I really need to get the elasticsearch book, go to the quiet room, and read the whole thing.
03:08 * dcook had fun playing with words-icu.xml a while back...
03:08 eythian well, I don't know
03:08 dcook But why would it know?
03:08 dcook Unless it knows to use the analyser_standard I guess..
03:08 dcook But surely you'd need to tell it that you need to lowercase your search terms?
03:07 dcook hehe
03:07 eythian *need
03:07 eythian where we're going, we don't neen config files
03:07 eythian that is being applied to everything indexed
03:07 dcook Unless it uses a different config file?
03:07 eythian }
03:07 eythian filter => 'lowercase',
03:07 eythian tokenizer => 'standard',
03:07 eythian analyser_standard => {
03:06 dcook But that's also bizarre :S
03:06 dcook That's how it sounds
03:06 eythian I'm thinking it's lowercasing when it indexes, but it's not lowercasing when it does the comparison.
03:06 dcook Hmm
03:06 eythian ages ago
03:05 dcook Maybe it just needs a reindex?
03:05 dcook When did you make it the default?
03:03 eythian That surprises me
03:03 eythian lowercase tokenising is default, but it doesn't seem to apply to search terms.
03:01 eythian that's not really how elasticsearch development is working at the moment
03:00 mtompset perhaps you did, but the bug fix hasn't hit master? or you forgot to submit the bug, and you did an upgrade?
03:00 dcook Bizarre
02:59 eythian this is fixable, but I thought I'd already fixed it
02:59 rangi there must be a switch to switch that off eh?
02:59 eythian yeah
02:59 rangi case sensitivity eh
02:59 eythian arg
02:59 rangi oh
02:59 eythian I just discovered that "peter" works, and "Peter" doesn't.
02:59 eythian oh dear. I just spent from last night til now trying to work out why I couldn't seach authority records.
02:38 * dcook did a lot of reading about ICU a while back when he found that ICU phrase tokenization bug
02:38 dcook BobB: As for ICU, it would depend on what the transliteration is doing, I suppose
02:38 mtompset Is there someone else, other than wizzyrea who has the ability to add paid support listings?
02:37 huginn mtompset: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 2 days, 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> I could probably convince the family that a trip to a hackfest in oz would be a good thing to do.
02:37 mtompset @seen wizzyrea
02:36 dcook eythian: Half the time I know the answer, half the time I know where to go to find it ;)
01:47 eythian https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/con-man/x/4049159 <-- firefly etc. nerds
01:16 rangi sweet
01:13 Francesca but I go on mid semester break just before easter so I'll have lots of time then
01:12 Francesca you
01:12 Francesca I've been coming on here at random times and I keep missing yo
01:10 rangi whenever you get time is fine
01:08 Francesca I keep getting sick
01:08 Francesca I know thats the day we set up to chat on here
01:08 rangi no problem
01:08 Francesca sorry I keep missing you on tuesdays btw
01:07 rangi sounds good
01:07 Francesca when I get it working I'm planning to change the colours to match up with the other sites I did some work on
01:06 rangi cool thanks
01:06 Francesca I'll get in touch with her
01:05 rangi i cant remember how she set it up
01:05 rangi yup
01:05 Francesca all I need is to have it running so I can test any CSS changes I make
01:05 Francesca gotta find her email first but sure
01:05 rangi hmm maybe you could drop aleisha an email, she set it up on hers
01:04 Francesca but I still have no idea how to set up hea-app on the vm
01:04 Francesca I've got everything cloned now
01:03 wahanui I love the 11th doctor!
01:03 rangi hey Francesca
01:03 * Francesca waves at rangi
01:01 rangi yeah then it will take a wee while
01:01 BobB rangi: almost certainly not
01:00 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
01:00 eythian @later tell drojf wordpress has munched the GPG key on your site, btw, -- has become — for example. "gpg: geen geldige OpenPGP gegevens gevonden."
01:00 Francesca hey
00:58 rangi it depends entirely on if the people have done translations before
00:58 BobB cool, thx
00:58 eythian BobB: I'd guess weeks of FTE, but I'm not really sure.
00:57 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
00:57 eythian @later tell drojf hey wait, you're going pro now? awesome :)
00:56 BobB weeks or months?
00:56 BobB how long does it take to create a translation, from scratch?
00:56 eythian ah right
00:56 BobB i'm asking for a project where the translations haven't been done yet: two new langauges, so it won't be any time soon, I expect
00:54 eythian it also understands some languages so will be able to do a bit better with them
00:54 eythian but, it ought to work reasonably well straight from the get-go I think
00:53 BobB ok, thx
00:53 eythian I'm not yet
00:53 BobB what about elastic search eythian? Are you testing that for Arabic, etc?
00:53 eythian I don't know if he even knows the answers, or just goes and looks it up.
00:53 eythian becaues I always ask him for zebra questions
00:52 eythian I'd ask dcook
00:52 BobB yeah, prolly
00:52 rangi i think all the ICU experts are asleep
00:52 BobB and if so, will the elastic search work address that?
00:51 BobB does enabling ICU chains for searching in say, Korean script have any negative consequences for searching latin-based languages in the same catalogue?
00:50 BobB good afternoon all (as it may be for you and will be for me in 10 mins or so)
00:32 mtompset Nice blip that was. :)