Time Nick Message 00:32 mtompset Nice blip that was. :) 00:50 BobB good afternoon all (as it may be for you and will be for me in 10 mins or so) 00:51 BobB does enabling ICU chains for searching in say, Korean script have any negative consequences for searching latin-based languages in the same catalogue? 00:52 BobB and if so, will the elastic search work address that? 00:52 rangi i think all the ICU experts are asleep 00:52 BobB yeah, prolly 00:52 eythian I'd ask dcook 00:53 eythian becaues I always ask him for zebra questions 00:53 eythian I don't know if he even knows the answers, or just goes and looks it up. 00:53 BobB what about elastic search eythian? Are you testing that for Arabic, etc? 00:53 eythian I'm not yet 00:53 BobB ok, thx 00:54 eythian but, it ought to work reasonably well straight from the get-go I think 00:54 eythian it also understands some languages so will be able to do a bit better with them 00:56 BobB i'm asking for a project where the translations haven't been done yet: two new langauges, so it won't be any time soon, I expect 00:56 eythian ah right 00:56 BobB how long does it take to create a translation, from scratch? 00:56 BobB weeks or months? 00:57 eythian @later tell drojf hey wait, you're going pro now? awesome :) 00:57 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 00:58 eythian BobB: I'd guess weeks of FTE, but I'm not really sure. 00:58 BobB cool, thx 00:58 rangi it depends entirely on if the people have done translations before 01:00 Francesca hey 01:00 eythian @later tell drojf wordpress has munched the GPG key on your site, btw, -- has become — for example. "gpg: geen geldige OpenPGP gegevens gevonden." 01:00 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 01:01 BobB rangi: almost certainly not 01:01 rangi yeah then it will take a wee while 01:03 * Francesca waves at rangi 01:03 rangi hey Francesca 01:03 wahanui I love the 11th doctor! 01:04 Francesca I've got everything cloned now 01:04 Francesca but I still have no idea how to set up hea-app on the vm 01:05 rangi hmm maybe you could drop aleisha an email, she set it up on hers 01:05 Francesca gotta find her email first but sure 01:05 Francesca all I need is to have it running so I can test any CSS changes I make 01:05 rangi yup 01:05 rangi i cant remember how she set it up 01:06 Francesca I'll get in touch with her 01:06 rangi cool thanks 01:07 Francesca when I get it working I'm planning to change the colours to match up with the other sites I did some work on 01:07 rangi sounds good 01:08 Francesca sorry I keep missing you on tuesdays btw 01:08 rangi no problem 01:08 Francesca I know thats the day we set up to chat on here 01:08 Francesca I keep getting sick 01:10 rangi whenever you get time is fine 01:12 Francesca I've been coming on here at random times and I keep missing yo 01:12 Francesca you 01:13 Francesca but I go on mid semester break just before easter so I'll have lots of time then 01:16 rangi sweet 01:47 eythian https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/con-man/x/4049159 <-- firefly etc. nerds 02:36 dcook eythian: Half the time I know the answer, half the time I know where to go to find it ;) 02:37 mtompset @seen wizzyrea 02:37 huginn mtompset: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 2 days, 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> I could probably convince the family that a trip to a hackfest in oz would be a good thing to do. 02:38 mtompset Is there someone else, other than wizzyrea who has the ability to add paid support listings? 02:38 dcook BobB: As for ICU, it would depend on what the transliteration is doing, I suppose 02:38 * dcook did a lot of reading about ICU a while back when he found that ICU phrase tokenization bug 02:59 eythian oh dear. I just spent from last night til now trying to work out why I couldn't seach authority records. 02:59 eythian I just discovered that "peter" works, and "Peter" doesn't. 02:59 rangi oh 02:59 eythian arg 02:59 rangi case sensitivity eh 02:59 eythian yeah 02:59 rangi there must be a switch to switch that off eh? 02:59 eythian this is fixable, but I thought I'd already fixed it 03:00 dcook Bizarre 03:00 mtompset perhaps you did, but the bug fix hasn't hit master? or you forgot to submit the bug, and you did an upgrade? 03:01 eythian that's not really how elasticsearch development is working at the moment 03:03 eythian lowercase tokenising is default, but it doesn't seem to apply to search terms. 03:03 eythian That surprises me 03:05 dcook When did you make it the default? 03:05 dcook Maybe it just needs a reindex? 03:06 eythian ages ago 03:06 dcook Hmm 03:06 eythian I'm thinking it's lowercasing when it indexes, but it's not lowercasing when it does the comparison. 03:06 dcook That's how it sounds 03:06 dcook But that's also bizarre :S 03:07 eythian analyser_standard => { 03:07 eythian tokenizer => 'standard', 03:07 eythian filter => 'lowercase', 03:07 eythian } 03:07 dcook Unless it uses a different config file? 03:07 eythian that is being applied to everything indexed 03:07 eythian where we're going, we don't neen config files 03:07 eythian *need 03:07 dcook hehe 03:08 dcook But surely you'd need to tell it that you need to lowercase your search terms? 03:08 dcook Unless it knows to use the analyser_standard I guess.. 03:08 dcook But why would it know? 03:08 eythian well, I don't know 03:08 * dcook had fun playing with words-icu.xml a while back... 03:08 eythian I really need to get the elasticsearch book, go to the quiet room, and read the whole thing. 03:09 dcook hehe 03:09 dcook Yeah, I've pondered doing similar things 03:09 * dcook still hasn't gotten past the first few chapters of PBP 03:09 dcook And I even bought the ebook 03:09 eythian this should be able to handle a lot of things by magic 03:09 eythian and we can plug in analysers if we like 03:10 eythian I really want to push more logic to the index phase rather than the search phase. 03:11 dcook Yeah, that'd be nice 03:11 rangi that makes sense 03:11 dcook Well, depending on what we're doing I guess 03:11 dcook Rather do it once than a million times.. 03:11 eythian there's places where values are derived from parts of a record. 03:11 dcook I forgot you could plug in different analysers 03:11 eythian we can just chuck those into the record when we index it 03:13 dcook :D 03:13 dcook What's an example? 03:13 wahanui rumour has it an example is probably a status change 03:14 eythian when searching authorities, we take a set of bits of it, based on the type, and make it into a long string like aThisbThancThe next thing 03:14 dcook :S 03:14 dcook Interesting 03:14 wahanui i guess Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 03:14 eythian there's also a BuildSummary method that does a lot of complicated things. 03:16 dcook Ooo, we could index all sorts of stuff 03:16 dcook Non-MARC stuff 03:16 eythian yeah 03:16 dcook Yeah? 03:16 dcook Sweet 03:16 eythian that's what I've been hinting at for a while now :) 03:17 dcook Hehe. It took me a while. 03:17 dcook I missed lunch :/ 03:17 dcook And now that I'm comfy, I'm hestitant to get up a make a sammich 03:17 dcook I used to think I needed a lackey, but maybe I just need a really smart dog... 03:17 dcook The dude who taught me how to weld had a dog named Whiskey 03:17 dcook Could open the fridge, fetch him a beer, close the fridge, and bring back the beer 03:18 dcook Admittedly, a toasted sandwich might be more complicated... 03:18 * dcook doesn't think the dog could pour whiskey either 03:18 eythian that dog needed some new tricks 03:18 eythian but, the beer one is certainly useful 03:20 dcook I know, right? 03:20 dcook Of course the lackey could go and buy beer... 03:20 dcook What's the drinking age in New Zealand? 03:20 dcook If I start growing a child now, how long until they can fetch me beer? :p 03:21 eythian longer than if you just hired one 03:21 eythian dcook: 18 here 03:24 dcook Well, I don't want a hired hand sitting in my living room at 10pm 03:24 dcook Of course, if they just kept the fridge stocked... 03:24 dcook Actually, I think Coles does deliver alcohol... although it might just be wine? 03:24 dcook Nah, they deliver beer too... 03:24 dcook But not same day delivery 03:24 * dcook shakes his head with disappointment 03:26 eythian you have students there, right? There's bound to be a 30 minute delivery service. 03:26 dcook Hmm, I do work by 2 different universities... 03:27 dcook There's actually a wine shop next door I think 03:27 dcook But they're too pricy 03:27 * dcook would probably have to walk 5 minutes to buy a case 03:27 dcook And I'm too comfy at the moment :p 03:28 eythian the problems you have :) 03:28 dcook It's a tough life 03:29 dcook Ok, bbiab 03:29 dcook Well, brb. It won't take that long.. 03:30 * eythian waits for dcook to return with a case of wine 03:40 dcook Just sandwiches :p 03:41 dcook Now just need moar hands 03:44 eythian http://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/analysis-icu-plugin.html <-- dcook 03:45 eythian I'm not using that at the moment 03:46 dcook Mmm interesting 03:51 dcook I'll have to look more deeply another time :) 03:51 eythian does that mean you're not going to solve my problem here? 03:51 eythian damn 03:52 mtompset Have fun, eythian. :) 03:53 mtompset Have a great day, #koha dcook eythian rangi 03:53 dcook haha 03:53 dcook I think I'd have to look more at a functional ES to start trying to help solve the problem :) 03:57 eythian http://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/guide/current/relevance-is-broken.html <-- zebra needs a page like this 04:01 dcook Mmm I like that 04:02 dcook Although not sure what "enough data" might be :p 04:04 dcook Inverse document frequency took me a minute to puzzle out 04:04 dcook I was like "But... but if it's in lots of indexes, surely it's relevant!" 04:04 dcook Then I realized that doesn't make sense 04:04 dcook "The pickle" 04:04 dcook The will appear in everything, so it's certainly way less relevant than "pickle" 04:04 dcook "The" will* 04:04 * dcook goes back to pretending not to be distracted by eythian and his ES ways 04:04 eythian heh 04:05 eythian annoying, as far as I can tell, I can't do a proper phrase search across all fields. 04:05 eythian because _all only seems to work with "real" fields, and my phrase field is sorta a synthetic one. 04:06 * eythian tries something... 04:07 eythian damn, that didn't work. 04:23 dcook IE is so terribad... 04:24 eythian yeah 04:25 eythian @karma IE 04:25 huginn eythian: Karma for "IE" has been increased 0 times and decreased 18 times for a total karma of -18. 04:26 dcook IE-- 04:26 dcook For good measure 04:26 dcook Hmm.. 04:26 IE IE-- 04:26 huginn IE: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. 04:26 IE hehe 04:27 dcook Even IE doesn't think it's very good... 04:27 * dcook is easily amused 04:39 eythian yay! 04:40 eythian phrase searching across all fields now works 04:40 eythian turns out you can create a fake field and tall everything else to copy their content into it 04:40 eythian *tell 04:40 dcook :D 04:40 eythian so I could make one with the parameters I want, and now I just have to remember to use _allphrase instead of _all where appropriate. 04:40 * dcook isn't sure what this all means but yay for working 04:40 eythian which isn't ideal, but it'll do. 04:41 eythian still haven't sorted the case issue, but I think I'll cheat and lc() it from perl for now. 04:41 dcook What's an example? :) 04:41 dcook :o 04:41 eythian $ curl -XPOST 'http://koha-es:9200/koha_robin_authorities/_search?pretty=1' -d ' 04:41 eythian { 04:41 eythian "query" : { 04:41 eythian "term" : { "_allphrase" : "Vial, Peter" } 04:41 eythian } 04:41 eythian }' 04:41 eythian will find an authority that has that name in a field 04:41 eythian but searching for "Vial, Pete" won't result in anything (which is what I want) 04:42 eythian previously, I had to search the specific field that was in, I couldn't search _all as that was tokenised 04:42 eythian (err, modulo caps, I copied the wrong test) 04:43 eythian well, not only that, I had to search in say, 'Heading.phrase' 04:43 eythian as my .phrase fields aren't tokenised. 04:44 dcook Hmm, might have something about the case thing.. 04:44 dcook What query are you using for Peter? 04:45 eythian what do you mean? 04:45 eythian the query is the bit that follows "query" above. 04:45 eythian It's not the case thing 04:45 eythian oh, you might have an idea? 04:45 eythian I'd like ideas. 04:45 dcook Haha 04:45 dcook http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24811243/elasticsearch-lowercase-filter-search 04:45 dcook Admittedly I don't really understand ES (yet) 04:46 dcook But it's saying something about term not being analyzed? :S 04:47 eythian an 04:47 eythian ah 04:47 eythian that does sound like my issue 04:48 eythian I really really don't want to use the query type if I can help it. 04:48 * dcook isn't even sure what that means :) 04:48 eythian it feels more freeform than I want for authority searching. 04:48 dcook Mmm 04:48 eythian it's what I'm using for biblio searching, it lets you use more lucene style queries 04:49 dcook But you want to be more specific? 04:49 eythian yeah 04:49 eythian the authority stuff seems to be (perhaps overly) precise 04:49 eythian really, it should probably respect the caps all the way through to be properly precise, but that's going too far I feel 04:50 dcook I wonder about that sort of thing all the time 04:53 dcook Hmm this seems relevant but you probably already know all this: http://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/guide/current/_controlling_analysis.html 04:53 eythian yeah 04:53 dcook I wonder why the term query wouldn't be analysed :S 04:53 eythian my issue was that I was expecting the search analysers to be provided 04:54 eythian *applied 04:54 dcook Can you provide them? 04:54 eythian I have 04:54 eythian s/provided/applied/ aboce 04:54 eythian above 04:54 eythian I'm losing the ability to connect brain to keyboard 04:54 dcook keyboard brain! 04:55 eythian when you first build an index, it loads the field mappings from the database and generates a big pile of elasticsearch mappings to create the index with 04:58 dcook Hmm, I think I'd have to read more to know more 04:59 dcook I figured the analyser probably wasn't being applied.. 04:59 dcook For the term query 05:05 dcook Hmm suddenly I'm craving donuts... 05:09 eythian I'm double booked this evening. Fortunately, both events chose the same location. 05:09 eythian this works out well 05:11 dcook I hope your computer isn't the location for both :p 05:11 eythian no :) 05:11 dcook :D 05:11 dcook I barely know what day of the week it is... 05:11 dcook Thursday... 05:12 dcook Chore night I guess 05:12 eythian I don't like how authority searching has modes, of which two are "is" and "exact" 05:13 eythian it turns out when it says "exact", it doesn't quite mean that. 05:13 eythian however "is" means exact 05:14 * dcook shudders 05:15 eythian I bet almost no one ever uses these options anyway 05:15 eythian but, they need to be implemented... 05:20 dcook Or patches sent to remove them from Koha/Zebra :p 05:20 eythian heh 05:23 dcook Hmm hate when a fix doesn't work.. 05:24 dcook Aha... found a workaround 05:24 * dcook must be talking about IE, if he's willing to go with a workaround 05:24 eythian it's the only option so often 05:24 dcook Yeah, it's sad making 05:25 dcook I want to say there is a "bootstrap-ie7.css" file out there... I think we've even used it. I should rack it down again 05:26 dcook Aha... found it 05:26 dcook Take that IE7 05:27 eythian IE7...isn't that deprecated by now? 05:27 dcook Only like...technically 05:28 dcook I think once people actually leave Windows XP, it might be over 05:28 dcook There are so many government departments that would probably work way better on Linux 05:28 eythian yeah, we had to support a government dept on XP up until far too late last year 05:29 dcook :( 05:29 dcook I'm not 100% sure that I actually need to in this case 05:29 dcook Done it enough with DSpace in the past for it to be not too much of a thing though 05:30 eythian ah right 05:30 eythian time for me to go 05:30 eythian later 05:30 * eythian & 05:30 dcook ta 05:32 dcook Hmm, already using the bootstrap-ie7.css apparently... 07:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #61 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #59 11 days ago) 07:12 mveron Good daytime #koha 07:12 mveron @wunder Allschwil 07:12 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is -1.0°C (8:00 AM CET on March 12, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 07:13 mveron What a bright day! 07:22 mveron hi josef_moravec :-) 07:36 reiveune hello 07:39 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 07:39 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 07:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_U14 build #61: FIXED in 33 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_U14/61/ 07:39 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13473 - Plugins fail 07:39 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13753: koha-indexer contains invalid statement 07:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13473 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Plugins fail when loading templates 07:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13753 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , INDEXER_DAEMON default is incorrect in koha-indexer 07:39 jenkins_koha Starting build #62 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: FIXED) 07:56 alex_a bonjour 08:00 fridolin hie all 08:09 drojf morning #koha 08:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #63 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS) 08:15 mveron Hi drojf :-) 08:15 drojf hi mveron :) 08:15 mveron and hi everybody :-) 08:15 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 08:16 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 3.0°C (8:50 AM CET on March 12, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Rising). 08:16 drojf spring went over soon :( 08:16 mveron it will come back... 08:17 drojf i hope so ;) 08:18 akafred The Koha Plugin system, would that be a natural place to extend Koha with country specific features? Are there limitations to it's use? 08:19 drojf akafred: can't answer the question about the plugin system, but what kind of country specific features are you thinking of? 08:21 akafred Hm. Poor example. Let me try another one: Could an NCIP server possibly be a plugin? 08:21 akafred (Or even, is the one that exists a plugin?) 08:22 rangi no and no 08:22 rangi theres no point in tying an ncip server that tightly to koha 08:24 rangi there's just a Koha driver, (and an Evergreen one) and whatever else to the NCIP server 08:24 akafred Could the Koha driver be a plugin? 08:25 rangi eh? 08:25 rangi its a driver for NCIP 08:25 rangi so no, that wouldnt make any sense 08:26 akafred Hm. Where can I learn more about plugins? And the NCIP-server? 08:26 rangi plugins are for extending koha 08:26 rangi you dont need to extend anything in koha to do ncip 08:27 rangi all you need is a server that speaks the incredibly stupid pile of xml that ncip is 08:27 drojf lol 08:27 rangi and calls the appropriate functions in whatever ils you have behind it 08:27 rangi it really really is a horrible standard 08:28 rangi http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/NCIPServer.git;a=blob;f=t/sample_data/LookupUser.xml;h=04024ce140dc3453198f33624b5ce3be9555ff46;hb=27fd8336daf9c651ce60af913df3c76da67f1820 08:28 rangi all that 08:28 rangi to look up a borrower 08:28 liw rangi, I think you have been misled and have not read the Important Hacker Memorandum that sets down the rule that anything that uses XML is pretty and perfect 08:28 rangi and thats the simplest message there is 08:29 rangi liw: :) 08:29 rangi akafred: a good example of the plugins, is the EDS plugin 08:29 akafred rangi: Would you prefer it to be MARC? ;-) 08:30 rangi actually i would 08:30 rangi it's that bad 08:30 rangi you have to actually implement natural language parsing 08:31 nlegrand hey #koha! 08:32 akafred is it xml that is the problem, or the ncip standard? 08:33 rangi the standard 08:33 wahanui it has been said that the standard is to rewrite it with Javascript, which isn't a great solution. 08:33 rangi <Value>Hold For Pickup And Notify</Value> 08:33 rangi <RequestedActionType> 08:34 akafred Yep. 08:34 rangi the standard does not specify what can be between the value tags 08:34 akafred They have made it too general. 08:34 rangi consequently every single ILL system does it different 08:35 rangi basically you win nothing except complexity over SIP2 08:35 rangi also, most ILL systems dont care about security and the standard leaves it out 08:35 drojf [off] speaking of horrible standards, i wonder if i will hear from oclc about their proprietary ILL protocol that is used as a standard in germany ^^ 08:36 rangi so its http in the clear, with no authentication or sessions 08:36 rangi it's AWESOME 08:36 rangi ncip? 08:36 wahanui i heard ncip was NISO, SIP is 3M 08:36 rangi ncip? 08:36 wahanui http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/68930308689/working-on-ncip-kohails 08:36 rangi that's exactly what working with it is like 08:37 drojf :D 08:37 rangi plugin https://github.com/ebsco/edsapi-koha-plugin 08:37 rangi and in action 08:37 rangi https://library.niwa.co.nz/ 08:38 * mveron did a first tiny step for Bug 13813... 08:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13813 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Remove deprecated module C4::Dates from system 08:38 rangi you can choose between discovery and the catalogue in the drop down 08:39 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 08:39 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 08:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_D7 build #69: FIXED in 27 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_D7/69/ 08:39 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Revert "Bug 13789 - facets with accented utf-8 characters generate double encoded links" 08:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13789 major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , facets with accented utf-8 characters generate double encoded links 08:42 rangi mveron++ 08:45 mveron rangi: For possible changes to DateUtils.pm, it would be great to have Bug 13601 QAed / pushed 08:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13601 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Get rid of DateTime::Format::DateParse 08:52 * cait waves 08:52 * rangi isnt part of the QA team 08:52 rangi but i can push it to 3.18.x if it is needed and once its pushed to master 08:54 cait rangi - when is the freeze for translation again? 08:54 rangi 15th 08:54 * magnuse waves 08:58 cait oh so soon 08:58 cait and weekend 08:58 cait i found some more paging issues, but they should be translation safe 08:58 cait will test 08:59 cait making screenshots for the user meeting of course turned up some more finding (such things always do) 09:00 magnuse rangi: i know you explained it once before, but i didn't take notes... :-( what's the difference between the two scripts in the bin of NCIPserver? 09:00 magnuse ncip_dancing.pl and start_server.pl 09:01 * mveron waves to cait :-) 09:02 cait hi mveron 09:02 wahanui hi mveron are you ther yet 09:02 mveron ...and to magnuse and all the others... 09:02 rangi one starts up an http server (dancer) 09:02 rangi one starts up a server listening on a port 09:03 rangi to be fully compliant you have to support, http, https and raw 09:03 magnuse ooh "The Oslo Perl Mongers are happy to invite you to the Nordic Perl Workshop, May 8-10th 2015. This year is special in that the NPW is being organized as a part of the Nordic Open Source Developers' Conference (OSDC.no)." http://act.osdc.no/osdc2015no/ 09:03 magnuse ah, so one is http(s) and one is raw, gotcha 09:03 rangi cos ... well who knows why really, someone really liked 1969 and it's protocols maybe 09:03 magnuse lulz 09:03 magnuse yeah, library tech tends to do that 09:04 rangi right time for sleep for me 09:04 magnuse sleep tight rangi! 09:04 mveron Good night, rangi 09:05 cait night rangi 09:06 drojf night rangi, moin cait and magnuse 09:08 magnuse moin drojf atheia Viktor 09:09 Viktor Hi Magnuse! 09:13 nlegrand it's still not possible to check all late orders list as bug 7481 proposed? 09:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7481 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, CLOSED DUPLICATE, Select all/Deselect all on the late orders list (Claim order button) 09:19 cait nlegrand: i think you can do all for one vendor at once 09:19 cait i thought 09:20 nlegrand cait: I can't an a 3.18 and master right now 09:20 cait let me find it 09:20 nlegrand thanks ^^ 09:20 cait use the filter on the left 09:20 cait and limit to a vendor 09:20 cait then the uncheck all/check all will appear :) 09:21 nlegrand cait: great! Thank you :) 09:21 cait :) 09:25 nlegrand another question about Koha process dev, if we open a public market and pay someone for some dev, is it ok to ask them to put it on the bugzilla and for us to sign it when we're satisfied? (still thinking about separate quota for on-site checkout) 09:28 magnuse you can sign it off, but i think it would need an independent signoff too? 09:28 magnuse or disinterested 09:28 nlegrand :) 09:30 nlegrand That's good enough for me :) 09:37 cait nlegrand: you shoudl totally ask them to submit 09:37 nlegrand :) 09:38 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 09:38 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 09:38 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_U12 build #46: FIXED in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_U12/46/ 09:38 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Revert "Bug 13789 - facets with accented utf-8 characters generate double encoded links" 09:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13789 major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , facets with accented utf-8 characters generate double encoded links 09:46 akafred Joubu: https://github.com/gempesaw/Selenium-Remote-Driver/pull/189 ..... Still WIP, but ... 09:48 Joubu akafred: ok thanks, will try to have a look 09:48 Joubu s/try to// :) 09:49 akafred No sweat, just fun that they started work on it immediately after I mentioned it :-) 10:01 * magnuse spins up a new linode to run an ill demo on 10:26 atheia Hej magnuse (rather belatedly *sheepish*) 10:33 magnuse atheia: hej is swedish, hei is norwegian ;-) 10:36 atheia magnuse: ah, sincere apologies! Let me try again: 10:36 atheia hei magnuse! :-) 10:36 akafred Currently Oslo uses the proprietary ILS as their "Identity Provider" (using a SIP2 service as the authentication service). As we are building more services and also other systems need auth/identity this becomes a bit cumbersome (few have SIP2 as a possible auth mechanism ...). What Identity Providers are others using for Koha + other stuff to (reduce number 10:36 akafred of sign-in mechanisms)? What do you recommend? 10:39 magnuse much better atheia ;-) 10:41 magnuse akafred: koha supports LDAP, CAS, Shibboleth. so i guess those protocols are used for that sort of thing 10:44 akafred Yep, I have seen that , but I am curious which are actually used, and which are recommended. 10:45 magnuse i think biblibre has been working on cas, so maybe someone there knows 10:45 magnuse and i think ashimema did the work on shib? 10:46 ashimema you called 10:47 magnuse :-) 10:47 magnuse you worked on shibboleth, right? 10:48 magnuse what is that used for? do you run a shibboleth server that holds all your users? 10:48 magnuse or are there other systems using it as a protocol? 10:48 ashimema Biblibre has a few customers using CAS I believe.. universities mostly. 10:48 ashimema We have a few customers using Shibboleth, Law Firms, Universities and Colleges 10:49 ashimema We havn't yet seen a public wanting to do it.. and I can't see why they would.. unless they were using Shib as an OAuth gateway.. which is perfectly viable (i.e. login with google account details for instance) 10:50 ashimema We run one test IdP shibboleth wise.. for my development work.. but we in theory offer IdP hosting as a service (where we could use an IdP hosted by us to ensure seamless sign on to all our apps (and anyone elses using Shib/SAML2) in one step 10:51 ashimema The drawback of shibboleth is that the IdP hosting has to be bomb proof.. as there is no easy mechanism of fallback 10:52 * magnuse lets akafred ask the followup questions 10:52 ashimema It's the tidiest (in my opinion) single sign on solution if your IdP is bombproof.. if you're IdP is not bombproof you will get directed off to a broken service and never get directed back again. 10:52 ashimema Shibboleth = SAML2, SAML2 = Shibboleth btw 10:52 ashimema akafred.. hopefully that gives you some places to start 10:53 ashimema I'd love to see Koha have a full OAuth2 implementation in the near future too.. as my feeling is that's the way forward in general.. 10:54 ashimema also.. Shibboleth is simply the medium of transport really.. you still require LDAP/Active Directory or some other storage mechanism behind it at the IdP end 10:55 akafred Yep, I am starting to figure that out. 10:56 ashimema feel free to quiz me.. I know auth pretty well these days.. 10:56 ashimema (and am still the koha auth module maintainer for a little while yet.. though I really need to catch back up on my duties on that front) 10:56 akafred Awesome. We'll probably have to go more into this in a while. 10:56 akafred ashimema++ 10:56 magnuse why not use ldap directly if you have to have that in the wings anyway? 10:57 ashimema I'd say if you can guarantee 99%+ uptime on your IdP then shibboleth it a really nice way to go.. it's so seamless (And that would mean I'd have another person to punt bugs to test at ;) ) 10:58 akafred :--) 10:58 ashimema Suppose it's about what you're wanting to achieve on that front magnuse. 10:59 ashimema Shibboleth and CAS I believe both offer 'Single Sign On', whereas LDAP offer 'Single Login/Password Combination over Multiple Sign On) 10:59 magnuse ah, ok 10:59 magnuse makes sense 10:59 magnuse akafred: you might want to look into FEIDE too, that is somehoiw related to SAML feide.no 11:00 magnuse i am not sure if it saml under another name, or if it is saml + norwegian adaptations 11:01 ashimema LDAP also requires the Identity information to be exchanged between parties.. thus your local application is given some level of information about users by the ldap provider.. people like SAML/Shibboleth if they're in hyper paranoid zones.. as at no point does a username/password pass through a srvice providers clutches. 11:01 ashimema workflow to explain the above 11:01 magnuse nice 11:02 ashimema LDAP: Give me your username and password and I'll pass them along to someone who can varify they're right 11:02 ashimema SAML/Shibboleth: Go and ask so and so to tell me you are who you say you are. 11:03 ashimema thus in the shibboleth model, the service provider is never privy to such information.. they just get given a secret handshake to varify you are who you say you are.. 11:03 ashimema all good fun. 11:04 ashimema (OAuth is similar to shibboleth/saml but uses a different browser side agreement system) 11:05 akafred If you use shibboleth, do you do user creation outside Koha? 11:07 akafred Also with LDAP? 11:11 ashimema your using LDAP/Active Directory or whatever as your definitive source of users.. so yes.. that's where the user should be stored 11:12 akafred Stored I understand, but created by some other mechanism, or would Koha actually create new users in LDAP (if allowed)? 11:12 ashimema You could however if you so chose to do so, have Koha's borrowers table act as you're background store of users and put a shibboleth IdP in front of it. 11:12 ashimema H,,, 11:12 ashimema I don't think Koha supports push to ldap directory 11:12 ashimema as far as I'm aware at least.. 11:13 ashimema and i don't think there is a push mechanism for shibboleth.. as far as I know 11:13 akafred Ok. 11:13 ashimema I'm sure there's probably a way... but they'd need coding ;) 11:13 ashimema koha at the minute is only designed to be an Auth consumer.. not an auth provider really.. 11:14 akafred Have you tried using it as a auth service/provider? 11:14 akafred I mean backed by the borrowsers table? 11:15 ashimema i.e. all the auth mechanisms are really about allowing koha to consume other's authentication.. though of course SIP2, and the API's allow for authenticating against koha thus can sort of act as a provider 11:15 ashimema I've not yet.. haven't had a customer asking for it.. 11:15 akafred Ok. 11:15 akafred Good info. 11:16 ashimema Would be interested to try ;) SimpleSamlPHP (that's that open fiede project magnus mentioned earlier) does exactly that.. 11:16 ashimema it's an IdP for which you can plugin any back end database you want provided you can code a bit of php 11:24 octo19 Hello, we use an old version of Koha. I need to be able to find out what version of Koha we have and how easy it is to upgrade. We are having issues with edits to entires not being saved and the inability to add new entires. 11:24 octo19 Thank you in advance for any help 11:35 akafred ... and gone ... I guess the answer would have been to start by looking in the "About Koha"-page in Intra? 11:37 drojf akafred: try again :) 11:41 octo19 Sorry, just learning this. Is the 'About' page accessible via the web interface or only CLI? 11:43 octo19 The boss is on my tail to get these problems solved :) 11:45 mveron octo19: Go to the 'About' page in staff client 11:47 octo19 mveron I don't see that option. 11:48 octo19 is that in CLI? 11:48 mveron Web interface 11:48 wahanui rumour has it Web interface is working right this moment 11:53 octo19 Got it. Version 3.12.04.000 11:53 mveron :-) 11:54 octo19 However it seems the admin page is on a different version than the user interface? is that possible? 11:55 mveron What do you mean by the user interface? OPAC? 11:56 octo19 Yes 12:00 drojf why do you think it is a different version? that seems very unlikely 12:01 octo19 The admin interface looks different than OPAC 12:01 drojf well, it's a different interface :P 12:02 magnuse they do llok different, yes 12:02 mveron With 3.12 the bootstrap theme was introduced for the OPAC . It was possible to switch between different themes using a system preference. Meanwhile it is bootstrap only. 12:03 octo19 ah ok. makes more sense. 12:04 octo19 does anyone have an idea as to why the entires we edit or add do not show up? 12:05 drojf is your zebra server running? is the zebra cron job for indexing running? 12:08 octo19 How can I check that? 12:08 octo19 drojf 12:10 drojf a 'ps aux | grep zebra' could be a start. also it would be good to know what kind of installation you are using. are you using ebian packages (on debian or ubuntu)? 12:10 mveron octo19:Maybe you see on the About page a Tab "System information". If yes, the Tab "Server information" should say something about your Zebra server not running. Not sure, maybe this was introduced in a later version. 12:11 drojf *debian packages 12:14 octo19 droif it looks like it is running...we are using debian. 12:14 octo19 mveron the zebra server status on that page seems to be normal...it tells me what version of zebra, etc. 12:15 * mveron Has a meeting, sorry 12:27 cait drojf: was introduced later i think 12:27 cait hm mveron i meant 12:28 cait octo19: updating in general might be a good idea since your version is quite old, but it might not solve your issues 12:28 cait sounds like the problem might be in your setup 12:29 octo19 I think updating is my next step...I'll try that and see what happens 12:29 cait if you save records and can't search for them - the problem is most likely the zebra not being set up correctly 12:30 cait an update wouldn't fix that - but it's still not necessarily a bad idea 12:34 magnuse hola tcohen 12:34 tcohen hi magnuse 12:34 cait hola tcohen 12:35 tcohen akafred: yes, they presented it on KohaCon14 12:35 tcohen hi cait 12:36 octo19 so zebra controls the index and library entry portion of Koha? 12:36 cait your records are saved into the database 12:36 cait but in order to find them again, you need zebra 12:36 octo19 ah ok 12:37 cait tcohen: nice photos :) 12:37 octo19 if it wasn't obvious, I was not the one who set this up :) 12:47 magnuse hiya Dyrcona - i see you have been working on rangi's NCIPServer? 12:47 Dyrcona It's more like he was working on mine, but whatevs.... He just got there first. :) 12:48 Dyrcona We need to merge the two branches and change his code to conform to how I altered the calling conventions. 12:49 Dyrcona magnuse: Did you have any particular question in mind? 12:49 magnuse yeah, that was what i wanted to ask you about 12:50 magnuse if you had a plan for reconciling your work 12:50 magnuse i plan to contribute to/work on that code in the next 2-3 months, and it would be nice to have unified base to work on 12:51 Dyrcona OK. We'll have to bug rangi about it later to see who will do what and when. 12:51 Dyrcona I'd prefer he do the Koha side of things, 'cause I don't really know Koha that well. 12:52 magnuse at least not as well as rangi, eh? ;-) 12:52 Dyrcona Not nearly as well as rangi... ;) 12:52 magnuse hehe 12:52 magnuse do you think it will take a lot of work? 12:53 Dyrcona A few hours, I'd imagine. 12:53 Dyrcona I could do it as long as I'm careful to make sure that the same data goes to the same calls. 12:53 Dyrcona I don't really have a system to test it with though, just Evergreen. 12:58 magnuse Dyrcona: would you prefer to nag rangi into doing it? 12:58 Dyrcona I could, or it might mean more coming from you, particularly since you want to work on it. 12:59 Dyrcona It's tricky sometimes coordinating with the time zone differences, and it might be easier for me in that respect. 13:00 magnuse yeah, i have very little overlap with rangi. but i could try and nag a little 13:01 magnuse and what needs to be done is merge the branch user/dyrcona/better_abstraction into master? 13:01 Dyrcona Yeah. 13:02 Dyrcona I'd probably make a new branch based on that one to make the Koha changes and then merge the new branch. 13:20 magnuse Dyrcona: am i right in thinking that the ncipserver currently only really supports http(s), and that the raw support is really just a placeholder (# place holder code, just echo at the moment)? 13:20 Dyrcona Yes, that is correct. 13:21 Dyrcona I don't think anyone actually does raw NCIP. 13:21 Dyrcona All of the implementations I've ever seen use HTTP(S) as the carrier. 13:22 magnuse ok, thanks 13:22 magnuse just making sure i don't misinterpret something 13:23 Dyrcona No problem. 13:49 drojf hello again :) 13:51 mveron hello drojf :-) 13:57 drojf got more questions about ILL in koha in the webinar. i think it's a deal breaker :/ 13:58 magnuse drojf: have you seen the work ptfs-europe have been doing? 13:59 drojf magnuse: not sure 13:59 drojf where would i find that? 14:03 drojf magnuse: ah i guess you mean http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ILL_Module 14:05 drojf at the moment i am not sure what to do for ILL germany. it seems to be all based on a proprietary format. it's great when the ILL servers and ILS come from the same vendor ^^ 14:07 magnuse yup, correct wiki page 14:07 magnuse yeah, i don't know how things work in germany 14:07 magnuse cait was part of our ill discussion in marseille, so she probably has some thoughts about it 14:10 cait huh? 14:10 cait my head is not working today 14:11 magnuse cait: what would it take for koha to support german ill, and is the work done by ptfse a step in the right direction 14:11 magnuse i think that was the question... 14:12 cait there is not a general standard i think as it depends how you do ill and with which sevice center you are working 14:12 magnuse awesome! 14:12 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, magnuse 14:12 cait i think generally it's looking interesting 14:12 cait but hard to tell how much we could use easily 14:14 drojf cait: my findings are that slnp is standard procedure, proprietary and owned by oclc. and there is some kind of email template if slnp cannot be used. 14:15 drojf i am not sure how the email thingy works but it sounds pretty oldschool and not really like automation 14:15 cait yeah it hink you can't put slnp into koha 14:15 cait it would have to be a plugin or something... probably not public 14:16 cait unless you can get agreement from oclc 14:16 drojf i sent oclc an email asking about documentation and implementation in free software ;) 14:16 * drojf is young and wild 14:16 drojf lol 14:16 cait and? 14:16 drojf no answer yet 14:16 drojf but it was just 2 days ago 14:17 drojf i will ask wildau too. they use sisis sunrise, that's where slnp comes from. it may be possible they are doing some secret stuff about that 14:18 drojf anyway i think it's pretty bad to use a proprietary standard for that :( 14:19 magnuse drojf++ 14:19 magnuse libraries should not use proprietary standards. end of discussion. 14:23 drojf cait: have you done migrations from bibliotheca2000 to koha? 14:23 cait we will, but not yet 14:24 drojf looks like it was never mentioned on the mailing list 14:27 drojf i wonder if i should hand in a talk for bibliothekartag 2016 titled something like "open access, open source, open fernleihe? use an open ILL protocol already" 14:28 * magnuse cheers drojf on 14:28 drojf heh :) 14:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #652: FAILURE in 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/652/ 15:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #653: STILL FAILING in 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/653/ 15:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #654: STILL FAILING in 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/654/ 15:22 jenkins_koha Starting build #655 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #651 1 day 19 hr ago) 15:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #655: STILL FAILING in 1 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/655/ 15:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add hea cron 15:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add links to cron to usagestats prefs 15:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update implementation checklist 15:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: delete language directories 16:52 * drojf throws wine gums into #koha 17:07 * ashimema scrabbles for wine gums 17:20 cait drojf: do you have chocolate too? 17:22 drojf cait: not today. but way too salty potato chips. crisps for the british part of the channel ;) 17:22 cait hm ok 17:22 * cait runs off with the ptoato chips 17:23 drojf hey! :D 17:24 drojf be careful. they are really salty. meh 18:10 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 18:10 mtompset @seen gmcharlt 18:10 huginn mtompset: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 day, 6 hours, 5 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> slef++ 18:59 mveron Hi again #koha 19:00 drojf hi mveron 19:00 wahanui hi mveron are you ther yet 19:00 mveron hi drojf 19:00 drojf i followupped bug 13826 19:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13826 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , OPAC: Display RSS icon on list of recent comments 19:00 drojf maybe you want so signoff too 19:01 drojf because i added a slash 19:01 drojf i squashed it together 19:02 mveron Oh, thanks. It was to early in he morning.... 19:04 * cait is still trying to read the meeting minutes 19:04 cait very slow today 19:04 drojf mveron: to test just see if the text after the rss icon is the same size (it was bigger with your patch) 19:05 mveron drojf: Yeah, looks OK now... 19:09 mtompset Greetings, mveron drojf cait. 19:09 mveron Hi mtompset :-) 19:09 drojf hi mtompset 19:10 * mveron ...goes back to Bug 13813 ... Still lot stuff to be done... 19:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13813 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Remove deprecated module C4::Dates from system 19:10 mtompset Anyone have ideas on how to tweak a string into a utf8 one? 19:12 drojf mveron++ # wow you already did a lot of them 19:12 mveron :-) 19:14 mveron drojf: This set is easy to test, because the patches do not depend from each other. 19:17 mveron mtompset: What do you want to do? 19:18 mtompset mveron: I have an XLS spreadsheet. There are some funky characters in it. 19:18 mtompset I am using Spreadsheet::ParseExcel to read it. 19:18 mtompset And then building a MARCXML file. 19:19 mtompset the problem is these characters aren't being read/converted properly. 19:19 mtompset For example. 19:19 mtompset Gazlavay a wuɗndakwar kalah, Yaa sərkakwa mey ŋga Gazlavay = Dieu nous aime beaucoup, Nous apprenons la Parole de Dieu 19:19 mtompset That's what Dumper should show. 19:20 mtompset Gazlavay a wuWndakwar kalah, Yaa sYrkakwa mey Kga Gazlavay = Dieu nous aime beaucoup, Nous apprenons la Parole de Dieu 19:20 mtompset That is what Dumper does show 19:20 mtompset The W, for example, is a CTRL+B and W. 19:22 mveron mtompset: I would try to save from Excel to a csv file and see what happens there. Or open / save it with LibreOffice with various settings. 19:22 mveron Is it just one file or is it a repeating task? 19:22 * mveron does not like Excel very much 19:25 mtompset Not helpful... the CSV loses the information. 19:25 drojf mtompset: http://perldoc.perl.org/Encode.html ? 19:26 mtompset That's only partly helped? 19:26 mtompset I did look there. 19:26 mtompset I got one string working, but not all of them. 19:26 drojf hrm 19:27 drojf encoding is one of the worst problems of our time ;) 19:27 mtompset AMEN to that! 19:30 mveron mtompset: But it displays OK in Excel? 19:31 mtompset Yes. 19:31 mveron Maybe http://stackoverflow.com/questions/508558/what-charset-does-microsoft-excel-use-when-saving-files 19:33 mveron They say that thre is a bug in Excel, workaround is use OpenOffice Calc and then export as CSV file (edit filter settings, choose UTF-8 encoding). 19:37 mtompset I'll try something later. Schedule is demanding I go pick up my wife. 19:37 mtompset Thanks for the ideas at least. 19:37 mveron Welcome :-) 19:37 mtompset Have a great day, #koha mveron drojf cait 19:39 * magnuse waves again 19:40 mveron Hi magnuse 19:41 magnuse hiya mveron 20:52 mveron Good night / daytime #koha 21:07 magnuse rangi: around? 21:08 rangi yup 21:08 rangi morning 21:11 magnuse kia ora! 21:12 magnuse rangi: do you have plans for how to merge the work Dyrcona has done on NCIPserver into master? 21:17 magnuse specifically the user/dyrcona/better_abstraction branch 21:17 rangi its a matter of round tuit 21:17 rangi i have tests in t/ 21:17 rangi they need to be increased 21:17 rangi then merge the changes, and check all the tests still pass, and fix where they dont 21:17 rangi is the basic plan 21:18 rangi its unlikely to happen in the nearish future as i have no funding to do more ncip work 21:18 magnuse i'll send you some tuits when i find mine 21:18 rangi and i have more interesting thigns to do in my free time :) 21:18 rangi yeah that all looks good to me 21:18 magnuse lol 21:19 rangi (the better abstraction) 21:19 magnuse i have had some trouble getting the tests to run, but i probably have to play a bit more with environment variables 21:20 magnuse i need to add some more services, so it would be nice to do that on top of a consolidated project... 21:21 magnuse oh and i found a bug in templates/problem.tt - the nesting of xml elements and tt directives is a little off 21:22 magnuse so at least if there is no processingerror, the output is not well formed xml 21:22 rangi ah yep 21:24 magnuse would you like me to email you patches for things like that, or put the code on gitorious and get pull requests or wuld you rather not be bothered? 21:26 rangi patches would be fine 21:26 rangi i need to set up gitorious.koha-community.org one day 21:26 rangi but that wont be today 21:26 rangi sometime before they turned it off tho 21:26 magnuse or maybe Dyrcona would like to take the lead... 21:26 magnuse turned it off? 21:27 rangi http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/03/03/gitlab-acquires-rival-gitorious-will-shut-june-1/ 21:27 magnuse ouch 21:27 rangi least its agpvl3 so i can just run my own 21:27 magnuse yay! 21:27 rangi manage if they turned off github 21:27 rangi imagine even 21:27 rangi (they are turning off google code) 21:27 rangi too 21:27 magnuse hehe, yeah, that would not be good... 21:27 rangi http://google-opensource.blogspot.co.nz/2015/03/farewell-to-google-code.html 21:28 magnuse wow 21:29 magnuse even more people going to github then, probably 21:30 magnuse oh rangi, one more thing about ncip... did you say NCIPServer as it stands today can only act as a server, not a client? 21:30 rangi thats right 21:30 magnuse (not sure those are the correct terms for ncip) 21:30 magnuse hm, i need it to be both 21:31 magnuse that will probably be interesting... 21:31 rangi you want it to initiate ncip requests too? 21:31 magnuse yup 21:31 rangi id do that as a separate project 21:31 rangi they are quite different 21:32 rangi but you might subtree in the NCIP libs 21:32 rangi there are a lot of ncip clients already 21:33 magnuse hm, i'll have to do some more research on that, then 21:33 rangi basically a client just writes xml messages 21:33 rangi and sends them to a server 21:34 rangi and gets another xml message back 21:35 magnuse sounds simple enough - how hard can it be ;-) 21:35 rangi heh 21:36 rangi for koha, id do it with TT 21:37 magnuse yeah, i like that approach 21:41 eythian hi 21:41 magnus_mobile sorry about that, laptop ran out of juice 21:42 eythian @wunder nzwn 21:42 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 21.0°C (10:30 AM NZDT on March 13, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 21:44 magnus_mobile @wunder boo 21:44 huginn magnus_mobile: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 3.0°C (10:00 PM CET on March 12, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Falling). 21:47 magnus_mobile thanks for your input rangi. i better catch some sleep 21:47 magnus_mobile have fun! 21:47 rangi sleep well 22:12 * rtm slaps burdsjm around a bit with a large fishbot 22:13 rtm hello 22:13 burdsjm hello! 22:13 rtm Hi! 22:13 rtm this is an active channel? 22:13 eythian yep 22:13 burdsjm yep 22:13 eythian sometimes, anyway 22:14 rtm you discuss here problems and questions about koha? 22:14 burdsjm it's more of a read this chat and question my choice of profession 22:14 burdsjm channel 22:14 burdsjm absolutely 22:14 rtm ok 22:15 rtm thanks 22:15 burdsjm I do more in the ByWater Support channel 22:15 rtm i will check the channel logs 22:15 burdsjm Who is your provider? 22:15 rtm no 22:15 burdsjm then this is it :) 22:16 rtm i'm just interested in learning about koha 22:16 rtm ok :) 22:17 burdsjm well welcome! 22:17 wahanui Welcome to zombo.com 22:17 rtm thanks 22:18 eythian [off] that was a little odd 22:19 rangi [off] university assignment 22:19 eythian it does sound that way, yeah 22:20 rangi [off] something similar going on in evergreen at the moment 22:20 eythian hmm, I'm losing some messages from the koha list 22:21 rangi getting spam filtered? 22:21 rangi i got all of the recent ones 22:22 eythian one was 22:22 eythian e.g. that 'database error' thread, I'm missing my reply and David's first reply, but got his second. 22:24 rangi hmm i seem to have them all 22:25 eythian weird 22:32 PabloAB Hi 22:32 eythian hi 22:32 wahanui bonjour, eythian 22:32 PabloAB I recently add a new bug report (13829 Syntax highlighter on source code textareas). Just playing around now... 22:33 eythian bug 13829 22:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13829 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Syntax highlighter on source code textareas 22:33 eythian not a bad idea 22:33 PabloAB I cant find a syspref or easy/elegant way to add a jquery plugin to head html tag... 22:34 eythian I don't know if the head block is user modifiable 22:34 PabloAB befor jumping directly to code 22:36 PabloAB hmm, that's what I'm looking for .Then I can just add CSS and JS code via sysprefs 22:36 rangi nope afaik the head is in an include 22:36 rangi i dont think you can touch it with a syspref 22:39 PabloAB Just for a moment I thought jquery/plugins/jquery.highlight-3.js could help me... maybe this plugin could be replaced for other one that do the full job 22:39 rangi perhaps yep 22:39 PabloAB anyway, thanks a lot for the answer :)