IRC log for #koha, 2014-12-16

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00:39 dcook standard?
00:39 wahanui standard is not so practical for that
00:39 dcook standard?
00:39 wahanui i think standard is not so practical for that
00:39 dcook marc?
00:39 wahanui
00:39 dcook standards?
00:39 wahanui the great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from!
00:39 dcook \o/
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02:30 eythian hi
02:30 wahanui hola, eythian
02:30 eythian look what I did
02:33 wizzyrea what did you did
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02:50 dcook O_o
04:43 dcook Acquisitions will always have me scratching my head
04:43 dcook Item count: 11
04:43 dcook Biblio count: 11
04:43 dcook Items expected: 3
04:43 dcook :S
04:44 eythian heh
04:44 dcook Ahhh, all but 3 have been received..
04:45 dcook But the basket isn't closed..
04:45 dcook Does the basket even need to close?
04:45 dcook What is a basket?! O_o
04:46 dcook I mean... I know... sort of
04:52 dcook I think this idea of closed/open has changed over time...
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05:43 dcook Lovely... 3.14.5 stats uses biblioitem itype...
05:44 dcook hehe
05:45 dcook Excerpt from master:
05:45 dcook # FIXME itemtype should record item level type, not bibliolevel type
05:45 dcook Don't mind making a patch for this one, but when a bug affects something like stats... yikes
05:46 eythian erk, so many people don't use the biblioitem itype
05:46 eythian well
05:46 eythian I suppose it is compulsory
05:46 dcook ^
05:46 dcook Only in some frameworks :/
05:46 dcook Easy to get by without it
05:46 eythian but still, it's usually ignored
05:46 eythian yeah true
05:46 eythian @wunder nzwn
05:47 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (6:30 PM NZDT on December 16, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
05:47 dcook I suppose it should still consider that system preference of whether to use the bib level or the item level though
05:47 eythian yes, it should do that
05:47 eythian erg, it's still hot out there
05:47 eythian oh well, time to go
05:47 eythian later
06:09 dcook later eythian
06:09 dcook @wunder syd
06:09 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 25.0°C (5:00 PM AEDT on December 16, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Falling).
06:10 dcook Hmmm...
06:10 * dcook looks outside
06:10 dcook Do I have to go outside?
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06:30 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
06:31 mtompset @seen marcelr
06:31 huginn mtompset: marcelr was last seen in #koha 4 days, 18 hours, 58 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <marcelr> Joubu++ # i hope to look at some of your lists improvements soon
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06:37 dcook hey mtompset, cait
06:37 dcook Alas, I'm going to head off
06:37 dcook Have a good night :)
06:37 mtompset Greetings and Goodbye, dcook.
06:38 mtompset dcook: simple signoff? 13416?
06:38 dcook bug 13416
06:38 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13416 trivial, P5 - low, ---,, Needs Signoff , Typo in position 5 (record status)
06:38 dcook Interesting!
06:38 wahanui i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
06:38 dcook I'd have to look tomorrow
06:39 dcook night
06:41 mtompset Good night. Thanks. :0
06:41 * mtompset gasps!
06:41 mtompset Bug 6679 is still active and true!
06:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, P3, ---, mtj, Needs Signoff , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
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07:14 ashimema morning #koha
07:21 rangi evening
07:21 rangi ashimema: you should have access to the security bugs now
07:24 ashimema Cheers rangi..
07:24 ashimema I spotted you'de had a play this morning
07:24 ashimema I take it I just got missed after a bz upgrade or somthing.
07:26 ashimema hows kiwicon.. you guys enjoying yourselves?
07:26 rangi finished on friday :)
07:26 ashimema oops
07:26 rangi hmm i dunno how it got missed, its just a setting in bugzilla itself, not really to do with bz at all
07:27 rangi you just add users to a group, and give that group access to a product
07:27 ashimema oh well.. sorted now
07:27 ashimema means cait can pester me again ;)
07:27 rangi :)
07:42 * ashimema really wants to get angular into koha...
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07:44 reiveune hello
07:44 wahanui niihau, reiveune
07:49 * magnuse waves
07:50 ashimema morning magnuse, reiveune
07:50 magnuse howdy ashimema
07:50 ashimema magnuse.. have you looked at the accounts re-write at all ever?
07:50 magnuse um, nope, sorry
07:51 ashimema K, no worries then.
07:51 ashimema wanted to get some other peoples perspective on it.
07:51 ashimema The more I read the code, the less I understand it
07:56 alex_a hello
07:56 wahanui kia ora, alex_a
07:57 magnuse bonjour alex_a
07:57 magnuse ashimema: that does not sound too good...
07:57 ashimema I 'think' the backend changes sort of make sense.. but I'm not expert in accounting software
07:58 ashimema but the UI code seems really strange to me..
07:58 ashimema plus.. there's enhancements mixed in with the re-write.
07:58 ashimema personally.. I'de prefer one bug for feature parity.. and then followup bugs for enhancements..
07:58 ashimema much easier to test that way.
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08:14 cait morning #koha
08:14 magnuse kia ora cait
08:14 ashimema morning cait
08:14 cait hi magnuse and ashimema
08:15 magnuse ashimema: yeah, that does make sense, but it is hard sometimes to not improve things when you are on a roll ;-)
08:15 ashimema Indeed
08:16 ashimema I have a feeling I'm gonna need to grab my pet accountant friend and get him to explain double accounting to me in relation to these db tables
08:17 cait sounds good
08:18 cait actually great idea :)
08:18 cait if we are going to do this, we better get it right :)
08:24 nlegrand hiya #koha
08:24 nlegrand hey cait ashimema
08:25 nlegrand hey magnuse
08:25 wahanui magnuse is probably afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
08:25 ashimema hehe
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08:26 gaetan_B hello
08:38 mtompset No, just 200. ;)
08:38 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
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09:03 drojf good morning #koha
09:04 cait morning drojf
09:04 drojf hi cait :)
09:05 cait ashimema++
09:14 ashimema magnuse.. did you know is showing cache errors?
09:14 ashimema linked to from your wiki profile ;)
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09:42 magnuse oops, thanks ashimema
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13:53 magnuse ssshhh...
13:53 * drojf holds his breath
13:58 * nengard is wondering why we're being quiet
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14:08 magnuse nengard: don't wonder, we just are :-)
14:08 * nengard whispers
14:08 nengard okay
14:10 liw On IRC, we watch the silence for clues about the meaning of the universe
14:11 rambutan I need coffee. That's meaning.
14:25 ashimema the silence is deafening
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14:27 sachin i need help in importing books from excel using marcedit
14:28 sachin when adding multiple items barcode is not generating
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14:32 * druthb tiptoes around awkwardly, looking to see if cait is awake.
14:33 * druthb sees that she's not, and blames magnuse
14:36 cait i am awake :)
14:36 cait just have to run to the bus in a minute
14:37 * drojf blames magnuse anyway
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14:39 drojf sachin: what exactly is your question?
14:40 sachin i was successfully able to import books into koha using marcedit but i am not able to generate barcodes when adding duplicate items
14:43 drojf how are you trying to generate barcodes?
14:43 sachin vis excel sheet
14:43 sachin via*
14:45 drojf i don't know anything about excel. but you need to have one 952 field per item that you want to import.
14:45 sachin ok fine, how can i import duplicate items via marcedit
14:48 drojf i don't know anything about marcedit either. it's nonfree software i don't use. maybe someone else here has experience with that. in your marc file you would have two 952 fields in the record that you want to import, if there are two items attached to one biblio
14:49 sachin can you give example how to do this in marc file
14:53 drojf i don#t have an example marc file at hand, sorry. but as i said, you need one 952 entry per item, with respective branch code and barcode
14:54 drojf well
14:58 ashimema anyone else seeing this bug 13458 upon upgrade to 3.18
14:58 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13458 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add new patron shows default / hardcoded patron categories after search
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14:59 JoshB morning everyone
15:04 talljoy morning #koha
15:05 talljoy has anyone completed a currency switch in Koha before?  from local currency to Euros for example?
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16:05 jcamins I have reports that serial receiving takes unnaturally wrong on 3.16.x. Has anyone else heard that?
16:08 jcamins *long
16:09 jcamins What a bizarre typo.
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16:30 ashimema @later tell rangi: any chance you could take a quick look at bug 13468 when your awake, pretty please
16:30 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded.
17:00 gaetan_B bye
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17:15 reiveune bye
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19:20 rangi ashimema: ill to do a sign off on that today
19:21 cait huh? *reads back*
19:22 cait hm... ok missing something :)
19:30 jcamins bug 13468
19:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13468 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , overdue notice lists all checked out books
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20:15 wizzyrea boy that guy is going to be righteously impressed :)
20:17 rangi hmm?
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20:28 wizzyrea the guy who reported the overdues email yesterday
20:28 wizzyrea email bug*
20:28 wizzyrea more words needed there.
20:30 rangi ahh cool :)
20:52 eythian hi
20:52 wahanui hola, eythian
20:55 cait hi eythian
20:55 cait and wizzyrea and rangi... i am a bit slow today :)
20:56 wizzyrea hallo cait
21:13 rangi[…]&
21:14 eythian @wunder nzwn
21:14 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on December 17, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
21:14 eythian (metservice site seems to be down)
21:15 eythian <-- oh, but the niwa site works with firefox now.
21:15 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:15 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 6.0°C (10:00 PM CET on December 16, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
21:15 eythian It's supposed to be 20° and raining later today. That's the worst weather. It's also supposed to be a BBQ evening today.
21:16 wizzyrea but, in the carpark so, no rain :P
21:16 wizzyrea I rather like 20 and raining.
21:16 eythian warm and muggy? ew
21:17 aleisha such confusing weather
21:17 * wizzyrea is ok with it.
21:17 wizzyrea I do come from the land of Extra Hot (tm)
21:18 wizzyrea in case you wanted some hot to go with your hot weather.
21:18 wizzyrea and Extra cold.
21:19 cait i am glad it's not really cold yet
21:19 cait i might even survive the trip to the christmas market without losing toes :)
21:32 wizzyrea what do you need toes for?
21:32 wizzyrea j/k j/k
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21:33 cait hm not sure... balance?
21:33 cait but i am clumsy anyway :)
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21:41 ibeardslee wizzyrea: hmm interesting that the j/k is also the initials of john key .. coincidence?
21:41 wizzyrea no that is very not interesting.
21:41 ibeardslee fine then
21:42 * ibeardslee wanders to sulk
21:42 wizzyrea now one of my favourite abbreviations is polluted. Thanks ibeardslee.
21:42 * wizzyrea sulks too
21:42 * wizzyrea is not really sulking
21:42 wizzyrea ok well maybe a little.
21:45 rickx Hello everyone, someone could help me with bibliographic data migration I'm doing with MARCEdit
21:48 rickx I know the equivalence of field 952 with the items table, but my question is how to add information to a field more_subfields_xml
21:48 rangi rickx you dont worry about that in marcedit
21:49 rangi you just put it in the 952 whatever subfield
21:49 rangi and if its not mapped in koha, it will end up in more_subfields_xml
21:51 rickx rangi many thanks, that thought but wanted to confirm
21:52 rangi cool
21:53 rickx rangi, this makes any version of koha? the institution has the version 3.8.7
21:54 rangi wow, thats super old
21:54 rangi but yes, any version post 3.4.x
21:57 rickx ok
21:58 rangi (november 2012 that was released 3.8.7)
21:58 rickx =952 \\$aBIB$p00001$yBK$A456$Bcopy
21:58 rickx Might give an example of how is this in the field more_subfields_xml
21:59 * dcook was thinking that 3.8.7 has to be about 2 years ago
21:59 dcook How fast things do advance
21:59 rickx A and B are not mapped subfields
22:03 cait hm thy should be
22:03 cait holdingbranch and homebranch... or the other way around
22:03 cait ah, capital A
22:03 cait right sorry, ignore what I said :)
22:03 cait but you will want to add a $b with BIB too
22:04 cait to have both, homebranch and holdingbranch set - that will save you some headache
22:05 rickx If I have $b, is just one example
22:06 rickx to know how would be $ A and $ B in the field more_subfields_xml
22:07 rickx =952 \\$aBIB$bBIB$p00001$yBK$A456$Bcopy
22:09 rickx One more question, A and B must have been created prior to migration in the framework?
22:09 cait I'd reocmmend it
22:10 cait it will import, but koha will forget it once it gets opened in the editor and saved again
22:11 rangi yeah
22:12 rickx many thanks cait
22:13 rickx many thanks rangi
22:13 cait :)
22:13 cait it's a bit late, hope i didn't cause too much confusion
22:14 cait hm bug 13465 is an evil one
22:14 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13465 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Fields controlled by authorized values cannot be unset
22:14 cait it means you can't get rid of a not for loan, damaged or whatever status once you set it
22:17 wizzyrea ohh that is evil.
22:17 cait yep
22:18 * rickx slaps rickx around a bit with a large fishbot
22:18 rangi maybe aleisha could take a look at that one tomorrow
22:18 cait that would be cool
22:18 cait maybe a git bisect
22:18 rangi yeah
22:19 aleisha i'll give it a go tomorrow :)
22:20 rangi yay
22:22 dcook Hehe. Reading more about RDA and how cataloguers can write whatever they want in a field which should probably be consistent
22:22 dcook Good times
22:22 rangi im pretending it deosnt exist
22:22 rangi i find that that is the best thing to do with really bad ideas
22:24 dcook I hear that
22:24 * dcook pretends many things don't exist these days
22:24 dcook As a result, reasonably chipper :)
22:24 rangi   <-- my current mood
22:25 dcook hehe
22:26 cait rangi: i can't do that :(
22:26 rangi you cant do soundcloud?
22:26 cait rangi: union catalog implements it and I will have RDA data to deal with way too soon
22:27 rangi gema again?
22:27 cait no - ignore it :)
22:27 cait the music is fine :)
22:27 rangi oh then my next option if you cant ignore it
22:27 rangi is to say
22:27 rangi "this is broken"
22:27 rangi every single time
22:27 cait won't work if all germany is going rda :)
22:27 rangi "you realise this is broken right?"
22:27 rangi every single time
22:28 dcook ^
22:29 * dcook is just about to comment on 13381, cait :)
22:29 dcook Not that I'm being helpful. Just adding 2 cents.
22:29 cait bug 13381
22:29 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13381 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , RDA: 245 field changes in XSLT
22:30 cait while you are on it... there is also bug 13382
22:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13382 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , RDA: 700/710/711 display in XSLT
22:30 cait and my dislike of | :)
22:31 dcook hehe
22:31 dcook K, i'll take a look
22:31 cait time to sleep here - bye all :)
22:31 dcook night cait
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22:33 magnuse let's semantify koha and show all the people all the cool things they can do then, and they will forget about rda
22:33 dcook magnuse: It's not a bad idea
22:33 dcook I don't know about everyone else, but I'm sure a lot of our libraries couldn't care less about MARC and RDA really
22:34 dcook I mean... they need to meet those requirements
22:34 dcook But the frameworks are enough for that
22:34 dcook Then we can do whatever we want after that
22:34 magnuse :-)
22:34 dcook MARC and RDA seem to me to be "professional" checkboxes
22:34 dcook You have to check them, but after that...
22:34 rangi yeah
22:34 rangi magnuse: you will have to charge them to read the spec
22:35 dcook hehe
22:35 rangi apparently that's what makes it a real thing
22:35 magnuse hm, do i want transport="telnet" or transport="RAW" for a SIP2 that will be talking to a self check machine?
22:35 magnuse rangi: i can do that ;-)
22:35 rangi :)
22:35 rangi RAW most of the time magnuse
22:35 rangi you might have to fiddle with the line endings
22:36 rangi some want CR
22:36 rangi some LF
22:36 magnuse rangi: thanks, i'll try that and see what they say at the other end
22:36 rangi some CRLF
22:36 magnuse such fun!
22:36 rangi yeah
22:36 rangi standards .. why just have 1 .. when you can have them all!
22:36 magnuse so true
22:36 magnuse i <3 library standards
22:39 dcook I've been thinking a bit about Ebsco
22:39 dcook I want to say it, and many other services, make up record/item types, yeah?
22:39 dcook It is half-tempting to do that
22:40 rangi yeah
22:40 dcook Rather than rely on MARC's billion places to store information in coded and uncoded (yet ridiculously worded) formats
22:40 rangi yep
22:40 bag magnuse: HI
22:40 wahanui hi, bag
22:40 dcook rangi: Glad to see affirmations :D
22:40 bag sweet I got that one in before magnuse got me :D
22:41 dcook It's in the back of my mind. Maybe one of these days I'll think more about it.
22:42 magnuse bag: HI
22:42 dcook Actually, I guess I did add a local facet for record type, and tweaked the labels a bit
22:42 dcook Of course, it relies on "proper" cataloguing, which is... not reliable
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23:21 rangi right time to get some lunch
23:23 dcook Interesting... I have no itemtypes in my database, but somehow the stat for the issue has an itemtype of JOURNAL...
23:24 dcook Oh wait... I have an idea..
23:24 dcook Ah... sneaky item type in the imported biblio..
23:27 dcook Hmm.. didn't know that C4::GetItem magically used the biblio's itemtype if it doesn't have its own...
23:37 dcook "item-level_itypes" is such a pet peeve...
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23:51 Pabloab Hi all!
23:52 Pabloab Yes, I have a problem :( I need to read several times a batch of records, but witout opening file once and again.... Im needing something like $record = $batch->fitst() to set reference back to start...

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