Time  Nick         Message
23:52 Pabloab      Yes, I have a problem :( I need to read several times a batch of records, but witout opening file once and again.... Im needing something like $record = $batch->fitst() to set reference back to start...
23:51 Pabloab      Hi all!
23:37 dcook        "item-level_itypes" is such a pet peeve...
23:27 dcook        Hmm.. didn't know that C4::GetItem magically used the biblio's itemtype if it doesn't have its own...
23:24 dcook        Ah... sneaky item type in the imported biblio..
23:24 dcook        Oh wait... I have an idea..
23:23 dcook        Interesting... I have no itemtypes in my database, but somehow the stat for the issue has an itemtype of JOURNAL...
23:21 rangi        right time to get some lunch
22:42 dcook        Of course, it relies on "proper" cataloguing, which is... not reliable
22:42 dcook        Actually, I guess I did add a local facet for record type, and tweaked the labels a bit
22:42 magnuse      bag: HI
22:41 dcook        It's in the back of my mind. Maybe one of these days I'll think more about it.
22:40 bag          sweet I got that one in before magnuse got me :D
22:40 dcook        rangi: Glad to see affirmations :D
22:40 wahanui      hi, bag
22:40 bag          magnuse: HI
22:40 rangi        yep
22:40 dcook        Rather than rely on MARC's billion places to store information in coded and uncoded (yet ridiculously worded) formats
22:40 rangi        yeah
22:39 dcook        It is half-tempting to do that
22:39 dcook        I want to say it, and many other services, make up record/item types, yeah?
22:39 dcook        I've been thinking a bit about Ebsco
22:36 magnuse      i <3 library standards
22:36 magnuse      so true
22:36 rangi        standards .. why just have 1 .. when you can have them all!
22:36 rangi        yeah
22:36 magnuse      such fun!
22:36 rangi        some CRLF
22:36 magnuse      rangi: thanks, i'll try that and see what they say at the other end
22:36 rangi        some LF
22:36 rangi        some want CR
22:35 rangi        you might have to fiddle with the line endings
22:35 rangi        RAW most of the time magnuse
22:35 rangi        :)
22:35 magnuse      rangi: i can do that ;-)
22:35 magnuse      hm, do i want transport="telnet" or transport="RAW" for a SIP2 that will be talking to a self check machine?
22:35 rangi        apparently that's what makes it a real thing
22:35 dcook        hehe
22:34 rangi        magnuse: you will have to charge them to read the spec
22:34 rangi        yeah
22:34 dcook        You have to check them, but after that...
22:34 dcook        MARC and RDA seem to me to be "professional" checkboxes
22:34 magnuse      :-)
22:34 dcook        Then we can do whatever we want after that
22:34 dcook        But the frameworks are enough for that
22:34 dcook        I mean... they need to meet those requirements
22:33 dcook        I don't know about everyone else, but I'm sure a lot of our libraries couldn't care less about MARC and RDA really
22:33 dcook        magnuse: It's not a bad idea
22:33 magnuse      let's semantify koha and show all the people all the cool things they can do then, and they will forget about rda
22:31 dcook        night cait
22:31 cait         time to sleep here - bye all :)
22:31 dcook        K, i'll take a look
22:31 dcook        hehe
22:30 cait         and my dislike of | :)
22:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13382 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , RDA: 700/710/711 display in XSLT
22:30 cait         while you are on it... there is also bug 13382
22:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13381 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , RDA: 245 field changes in XSLT
22:29 cait         bug 13381
22:29 dcook        Not that I'm being helpful. Just adding 2 cents.
22:29 * dcook      is just about to comment on 13381, cait :)
22:28 dcook        ^
22:27 rangi        every single time
22:27 rangi        "you realise this is broken right?"
22:27 cait         won't work if all germany is going rda :)
22:27 rangi        every single time
22:27 rangi        "this is broken"
22:27 rangi        is to say
22:27 rangi        oh then my next option if you cant ignore it
22:27 cait         the music is fine :)
22:27 cait         no - ignore it :)
22:27 rangi        gema again?
22:26 cait         rangi: union catalog implements it and I will have RDA data to deal with way too soon
22:26 rangi        you cant do soundcloud?
22:26 cait         rangi: i can't do that :(
22:25 dcook        hehe
22:24 rangi        https://www.thisismyjam.com/ranginui   <-- my current mood
22:24 dcook        As a result, reasonably chipper :)
22:24 * dcook      pretends many things don't exist these days
22:24 dcook        I hear that
22:22 rangi        i find that that is the best thing to do with really bad ideas
22:22 rangi        im pretending it deosnt exist
22:22 dcook        Good times
22:22 dcook        Hehe. Reading more about RDA and how cataloguers can write whatever they want in a field which should probably be consistent
22:20 rangi        yay
22:19 aleisha      i'll give it a go tomorrow :)
22:18 rangi        yeah
22:18 cait         maybe a git bisect
22:18 cait         that would be cool
22:18 rangi        maybe aleisha could take a look at that one tomorrow
22:18 * rickx      slaps rickx around a bit with a large fishbot
22:17 cait         yep
22:17 wizzyrea     ohh that is evil.
22:14 cait         it means you can't get rid of a not for loan, damaged or whatever status once you set it
22:14 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13465 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Fields controlled by authorized values cannot be unset
22:14 cait         hm bug 13465 is an evil one
22:13 cait         it's a bit late, hope i didn't cause too much confusion
22:13 cait         :)
22:13 rickx        many thanks rangi
22:12 rickx        many thanks cait
22:11 rangi        yeah
22:10 cait         it will import, but koha will forget it once it gets opened in the editor and saved again
22:09 cait         I'd reocmmend it
22:09 rickx        One more question, A and B must have been created prior to migration in the framework?
22:07 rickx        =952 \\$aBIB$bBIB$p00001$yBK$A456$Bcopy
22:06 rickx        to know how would be $ A and $ B in the field more_subfields_xml
22:05 rickx        If I have $b, is just one example
22:04 cait         to have both, homebranch and holdingbranch set - that will save you some headache
22:03 cait         but you will want to add a $b with BIB too
22:03 cait         right sorry, ignore what I said :)
22:03 cait         ah, capital A
22:03 cait         holdingbranch and homebranch... or the other way around
22:03 cait         hm thy should be
21:59 rickx        A and B are not mapped subfields
21:59 dcook        How fast things do advance
21:59 * dcook      was thinking that 3.8.7 has to be about 2 years ago
21:58 rickx        Might give an example of how is this in the field more_subfields_xml
21:58 rickx        =952 \\$aBIB$p00001$yBK$A456$Bcopy
21:58 rangi        (november 2012 that was released 3.8.7)
21:57 rickx        ok
21:54 rangi        but yes, any version post 3.4.x
21:54 rangi        wow, thats super old
21:53 rickx        rangi, this makes any version of koha? the institution has the version 3.8.7
21:52 rangi        cool
21:51 rickx        rangi many thanks, that thought but wanted to confirm
21:49 rangi        and if its not mapped in koha, it will end up in more_subfields_xml
21:49 rangi        you just put it in the 952 whatever subfield
21:48 rangi        rickx you dont worry about that in marcedit
21:48 rickx        I know the equivalence of field 952 with the items table, but my question is how to add information to a field more_subfields_xml
21:45 rickx        Hello everyone, someone could help me with bibliographic data migration I'm doing with MARCEdit
21:42 wizzyrea     ok well maybe a little.
21:42 * wizzyrea   is not really sulking
21:42 * wizzyrea   sulks too
21:42 wizzyrea     now one of my favourite abbreviations is polluted. Thanks ibeardslee.
21:42 * ibeardslee wanders to sulk
21:41 ibeardslee   fine then
21:41 wizzyrea     no that is very not interesting.
21:41 ibeardslee   wizzyrea: hmm interesting that the j/k is also the initials of john key .. coincidence?
21:33 cait         but i am clumsy anyway :)
21:33 cait         hm not sure... balance?
21:32 wizzyrea     j/k j/k
21:32 wizzyrea     what do you need toes for?
21:19 cait         i might even survive the trip to the christmas market without losing toes :)
21:19 cait         i am glad it's not really cold yet
21:18 wizzyrea     and Extra cold.
21:18 wizzyrea     in case you wanted some hot to go with your hot weather.
21:17 wizzyrea     I do come from the land of Extra Hot (tm)
21:17 * wizzyrea   is ok with it.
21:17 aleisha      such confusing weather
21:16 eythian      warm and muggy? ew
21:16 wizzyrea     I rather like 20 and raining.
21:16 wizzyrea     but, in the carpark so, no rain :P
21:15 eythian      It's supposed to be 20° and raining later today. That's the worst weather. It's also supposed to be a BBQ evening today.
21:15 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 6.0°C (10:00 PM CET on December 16, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
21:15 cait         @wunder Konstanz
21:15 eythian      http://weather.niwa.co.nz/Wellington <-- oh, but the niwa site works with firefox now.
21:14 eythian      (metservice site seems to be down)
21:14 huginn       eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on December 17, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
21:14 eythian      @wunder nzwn
21:13 rangi        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb9TK3DYXAM&feature=youtu.be
20:56 wizzyrea     hallo cait
20:55 cait         and wizzyrea and rangi... i am a bit slow today :)
20:55 cait         hi eythian
20:52 wahanui      hola, eythian
20:52 eythian      hi
20:30 rangi        ahh cool :)
20:28 wizzyrea     more words needed there.
20:28 wizzyrea     email bug*
20:28 wizzyrea     the guy who reported the overdues email yesterday
20:17 rangi        hmm?
20:15 wizzyrea     boy that guy is going to be righteously impressed :)
19:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13468 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , overdue notice lists all checked out books
19:30 jcamins      bug 13468
19:22 cait         hm... ok missing something :)
19:21 cait         huh? *reads back*
19:20 rangi        ashimema: ill to do a sign off on that today
17:15 reiveune     bye
17:00 gaetan_B     bye
16:30 huginn       ashimema: The operation succeeded.
16:30 ashimema     @later tell rangi: any chance you could take a quick look at bug 13468 when your awake, pretty please
16:09 jcamins      What a bizarre typo.
16:08 jcamins      *long
16:05 jcamins      I have reports that serial receiving takes unnaturally wrong on 3.16.x. Has anyone else heard that?
15:05 talljoy      has anyone completed a currency switch in Koha before?  from local currency to Euros for example?
15:04 talljoy      morning #koha
14:59 JoshB        morning everyone
14:58 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13458 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add new patron shows default / hardcoded patron categories after search
14:58 ashimema     anyone else seeing this bug 13458 upon upgrade to 3.18
14:54 drojf        well
14:53 drojf        i don#t have an example marc file at hand, sorry. but as i said, you need one 952 entry per item, with respective branch code and barcode
14:49 sachin       can you give example how to do this in marc file
14:48 drojf        i don't know anything about marcedit either. it's nonfree software i don't use. maybe someone else here has experience with that. in your marc file you would have two 952 fields in the record that you want to import, if there are two items attached to one biblio
14:45 sachin       ok fine, how can i import duplicate items via marcedit
14:45 drojf        i don't know anything about excel. but you need to have one 952 field per item that you want to import.
14:43 sachin       via*
14:43 sachin       vis excel sheet
14:43 drojf        how are you trying to generate barcodes?
14:40 sachin       i was successfully able to import books into koha using marcedit but i am not able to generate barcodes when adding duplicate items
14:39 drojf        sachin: what exactly is your question?
14:37 * drojf      blames magnuse anyway
14:36 cait         just have to run to the bus in a minute
14:36 cait         i am awake :)
14:33 * druthb     sees that she's not, and blames magnuse
14:32 * druthb     tiptoes around awkwardly, looking to see if cait is awake.
14:28 sachin       when adding multiple items barcode is not generating
14:27 sachin       i need help in importing books from excel using marcedit
14:25 ashimema     the silence is deafening
14:11 rambutan     I need coffee. That's meaning.
14:10 liw          On IRC, we watch the silence for clues about the meaning of the universe
14:08 nengard      okay
14:08 * nengard    whispers
14:08 magnuse      nengard: don't wonder, we just are :-)
13:58 * nengard    is wondering why we're being quiet
13:53 * drojf      holds his breath
13:53 magnuse      ssshhh...
09:42 magnuse      oops, thanks ashimema
09:14 ashimema     linked to from your wiki profile ;)
09:14 ashimema     magnuse.. did you know http://www.enger.priv.no/ is showing cache errors?
09:05 cait         ashimema++
09:04 drojf        hi cait :)
09:04 cait         morning drojf
09:03 drojf        good morning #koha
08:38 mtompset     Have a great day, #koha.
08:38 mtompset     No, just 200. ;)
08:26 gaetan_B     hello
08:25 ashimema     hehe
08:25 wahanui      magnuse is probably afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
08:25 nlegrand     hey magnuse
08:24 nlegrand     hey cait ashimema
08:24 nlegrand     hiya #koha
08:18 cait         if we are going to do this, we better get it right :)
08:18 cait         actually great idea :)
08:17 cait         sounds good
08:16 ashimema     I have a feeling I'm gonna need to grab my pet accountant friend and get him to explain double accounting to me in relation to these db tables
08:15 ashimema     Indeed
08:15 magnuse      ashimema: yeah, that does make sense, but it is hard sometimes to not improve things when you are on a roll ;-)
08:14 cait         hi magnuse and ashimema
08:14 ashimema     morning cait
08:14 magnuse      kia ora cait
08:14 cait         morning #koha
07:58 ashimema     much easier to test that way.
07:58 ashimema     personally.. I'de prefer one bug for feature parity.. and then followup bugs for enhancements..
07:58 ashimema     plus.. there's enhancements mixed in with the re-write.
07:58 ashimema     but the UI code seems really strange to me..
07:57 ashimema     I 'think' the backend changes sort of make sense.. but I'm not expert in accounting software
07:57 magnuse      ashimema: that does not sound too good...
07:57 magnuse      bonjour alex_a
07:56 wahanui      kia ora, alex_a
07:56 alex_a       hello
07:51 ashimema     The more I read the code, the less I understand it
07:51 ashimema     wanted to get some other peoples perspective on it.
07:51 ashimema     K, no worries then.
07:50 magnuse      um, nope, sorry
07:50 ashimema     magnuse.. have you looked at the accounts re-write at all ever?
07:50 magnuse      howdy ashimema
07:50 ashimema     morning magnuse, reiveune
07:49 * magnuse    waves
07:44 wahanui      niihau, reiveune
07:44 reiveune     hello
07:42 * ashimema   really wants to get angular into koha...
07:27 rangi        :)
07:27 ashimema     means cait can pester me again ;)
07:27 ashimema     oh well.. sorted now
07:27 rangi        you just add users to a group, and give that group access to a product
07:26 rangi        hmm i dunno how it got missed, its just a setting in bugzilla itself, not really to do with bz at all
07:26 ashimema     oops
07:26 rangi        finished on friday :)
07:26 ashimema     hows kiwicon.. you guys enjoying yourselves?
07:24 ashimema     I take it I just got missed after a bz upgrade or somthing.
07:24 ashimema     I spotted you'de had a play this morning
07:24 ashimema     Cheers rangi..
07:21 rangi        ashimema: you should have access to the security bugs now
07:21 rangi        evening
07:14 ashimema     morning #koha
06:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, P3, ---, mtj, Needs Signoff , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
06:41 mtompset     Bug 6679 is still active and true!
06:41 * mtompset   gasps!
06:41 mtompset     Good night. Thanks. :0
06:39 dcook        night
06:38 dcook        I'd have to look tomorrow
06:38 wahanui      i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
06:38 dcook        Interesting!
06:38 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13416 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Typo in marc21_leader.pl position 5 (record status)
06:38 dcook        bug 13416
06:38 mtompset     dcook: simple signoff? 13416?
06:37 mtompset     Greetings and Goodbye, dcook.
06:37 dcook        Have a good night :)
06:37 dcook        Alas, I'm going to head off
06:37 dcook        hey mtompset, cait
06:31 huginn       mtompset: marcelr was last seen in #koha 4 days, 18 hours, 58 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <marcelr> Joubu++ # i hope to look at some of your lists improvements soon
06:31 mtompset     @seen marcelr
06:30 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
06:10 dcook        Do I have to go outside?
06:10 * dcook      looks outside
06:10 dcook        Hmmm...
06:09 huginn       dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 25.0°C (5:00 PM AEDT on December 16, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Falling).
06:09 dcook        @wunder syd
06:09 dcook        later eythian
05:47 eythian      later
05:47 eythian      oh well, time to go
05:47 eythian      erg, it's still hot out there
05:47 eythian      yes, it should do that
05:47 dcook        I suppose it should still consider that system preference of whether to use the bib level or the item level though
05:47 huginn       eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (6:30 PM NZDT on December 16, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
05:46 eythian      @wunder nzwn
05:46 eythian      yeah true
05:46 eythian      but still, it's usually ignored
05:46 dcook        Easy to get by without it
05:46 dcook        Only in some frameworks :/
05:46 dcook        ^
05:46 eythian      I suppose it is compulsory
05:46 eythian      well
05:46 eythian      erk, so many people don't use the biblioitem itype
05:45 dcook        Don't mind making a patch for this one, but when a bug affects something like stats... yikes
05:45 dcook        # FIXME itemtype should record item level type, not bibliolevel type
05:45 dcook        Excerpt from master:
05:44 dcook        hehe
05:43 dcook        Lovely... 3.14.5 stats uses biblioitem itype...
04:52 dcook        I think this idea of closed/open has changed over time...
04:46 dcook        I mean... I know... sort of
04:45 dcook        What is a basket?! O_o
04:45 dcook        Does the basket even need to close?
04:45 dcook        But the basket isn't closed..
04:44 dcook        Ahhh, all but 3 have been received..
04:44 eythian      heh
04:43 dcook        :S
04:43 dcook        Items expected: 3
04:43 dcook        Biblio count: 11
04:43 dcook        Item count: 11
04:43 dcook        Acquisitions will always have me scratching my head
02:50 dcook        O_o
02:33 wizzyrea     what did you did
02:30 eythian      look what I did
02:30 wahanui      hola, eythian
02:30 eythian      hi
00:39 dcook        \o/
00:39 wahanui      the great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from!
00:39 dcook        standards?
00:39 wahanui      http://marc-must-die.info
00:39 dcook        marc?
00:39 wahanui      i think standard is not so practical for that
00:39 dcook        standard?
00:39 wahanui      standard is not so practical for that
00:39 dcook        standard?