IRC log for #koha, 2014-12-15

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00:00 rangi @later tell cait added now
00:00 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
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01:47 mtj hi #koha
01:48 mtj rangi or gmcharlt about?
01:48 rangi yep, email me your key please mtj
01:49 mtj hiya, 1 tic.. :)
01:49 rangi whichever one you want to use to scp to
01:55 mtj yep, same one - i think..
01:56 rangi 2 secs
02:00 rangi can you try ssh
02:01 mtj rangi: works ok :)
02:01 mtj thanks :p
02:03 rangi right the scp instructions on the release maintenance page should work now
02:11 mtj cool, all instructions work
02:13 mtj eythian, we might still need a newly built .deb, for 3.16.5
02:13 eythian you can't release the same thing twice under two version numbers, it's against the law
02:14 eythian err
02:14 eythian the other way around
02:14 eythian different things under the same version number
02:14 mtj hmm, ok
02:14 eythian for package mishaps I've added an additional .1 on the end
02:15 rangi yeah that'd work
02:15 mtj yep, ok
02:23 mtj the 3.16.5 tar files are now uploaded
02:24 mtj eythian, rangi - shall i hold off on my ML email, until the new packages are uploaded?
02:24 eythian mtj: what is the purpose of the new package?
02:24 eythian also, you can't call them 3.16.5
02:25 mtj it has the 2nd part of the XSS patch
02:26 mtj hmm, ok - i'll  rename my tar files
02:27 mtj tho, im not sure what the naming rule for that would be?!
02:28 mtj koha-3.16.05.tar.gz -> koha-3.16.05-1.tar.gz
02:28 mtj koha-3.16.05.tar.gz -> koha-
02:28 mtj ok, lets go with that ^ :)
02:29 eythian yeah
02:29 eythian no -
02:29 eythian that'd be bad
02:29 eythian and inconsistent
02:29 mtj ok, so a 3.16.6 release then
02:29 mtj only other option, afaik
02:30 eythian you can use .
02:30 eythian just not -
02:30 eythian so .1 is fine, -1 is not
02:30 mtj yep , ok :)
02:31 mtj koha- it is
02:38 mtj hmm, just thinking... i should really be refering to this, as a new release
02:39 rangi you didnt do the release notes for 3.16.5 yet eh?
02:40 rangi on the website or mailing list eh?
02:40 mtj website release is done
02:40 rangi ahh yeah, then will need to be a new one
02:41 mtj eythain emailed the list about 3.16.5 packages being uploaded
02:41 mtj .. so the release is in a weird 'between' state
02:41 rangi *nod* best to do it as a new announcement, we missed one patch, so there is a new one
02:41 rangi etc
02:42 mtj a new release, with a new number
02:42 eythian it's up to you if it has a new number.
02:42 eythian Personally I wouldn't, but there's arguments both ways
02:43 eythian and really, it's not hugely important
02:43 rangi the .1 is fine, its just important people know that its the version they should be running
02:43 rangi what its called is less important than getting that message across :)
02:43 eythian (well, by that I still mean that it should not be the same as the current one)
02:43 rangi *nod*
02:43 eythian otherwise we can never know which 3.16.05 someone is on.
02:44 mtj yep, i agree
03:03 mtj website, tars and ML all done
03:04 rangi cool
03:08 mtj got there in the end :)
03:08 rangi we probably should file cve for them too, and mark them fixed
03:09 mtj hmm, nice idea
03:09 rangi @later tell gmcharlt can you remind me how you did the cve last time?
03:09 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
04:08 eythian anyone notice that the final page in the web installer says "if you're not redirected in 5 seconds, click here", but the meta-refresh is set to 10 seconds...
04:10 eythian the 2-second javascript code doesn't seem to work.
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05:11 eythian mtj: is there a tag for the release? I can't see it.
05:12 mtj hey eythian
05:13 mtj hmm, lemme fix that
05:13 eythian I also didn't notice an update to 3.16.x, but I may have just missed that
05:15 eythian I think I just missed that, it was a few days ago
05:16 mtj afaict, 3.16.x's HEAD is at the correct commit
05:16 mtj[…]refs/heads/3.16.x
05:16 eythian yeah, I think that's the case
05:16 eythian OK, I'll just base the package from that
05:16 mtj its just (currently) got the wrong/old tag
05:17 eythian make a new tag with v3.16.05.1, it'll be less confusing/bad than changing a tag
05:25 mtj hum, so ive tidied the tags eythian..
05:25 mtj[…]refs/heads/3.16.x
05:26 eythian cool
05:26 mtj i should add the release notes too
05:30 mtj thanks for sorting this for me eythian
05:30 eythian np
05:31 eythian packages nearly built
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05:32 eythian morning cait
05:34 eythian uploading
05:35 eythian uploaded.
05:47 cait morning eythian
05:47 cait how was your event today?
05:48 eythian it was good
05:48 eythian got some people doing some basic things
05:54 eythian cait: I'm catching up to you on duolinguo, albeit slowly :)
05:54 cait i saw a patch somewhere
05:54 cait yeah i took a break after argentina :)
05:57 eythian heh
06:00 eythian you're the only person ahead of me in my list at the moment
06:00 cait :)
06:04 eythian bye all
06:04 * eythian &
06:04 cait bye eythian
06:16 drojf good morning #koha
06:17 cait morning drojf
06:17 drojf hi cait :)
06:20 * dcook waves absently
06:25 drojf hi dcook
06:28 drojf dcook: any news about the oai-pmh harvesting client? :)
06:32 dcook That's... a good question :)
06:32 dcook I was working on it
06:32 dcook Then I started doing DBIC stuff as it would've made it easier to work on
06:32 dcook But then I got really frustrated with how DBIC::Schema::Loader doesn't accurately reflect the database
06:32 dcook So I stopped working on DBIC stuff
06:32 dcook And... I've been side-tracked with other projects since then :)
06:33 dcook drojf: It is on my list of things to do though. I have about 0 holidays coming my way, so hopefully it'll be quiet enough over Christmas for me to do some work on it.
06:34 drojf that's… good. in a way ^^ i'd prefer you get some holiday though
06:34 dcook Well, I might have one day off, so I might be able to get off the Friday
06:34 dcook So.. wed, thurs, friday, saturday, sunday
06:35 dcook That'd be an all right holiday
06:35 dcook We're having friends and family at ours this year, so I'll need a little holiday after the holiday :p
06:35 drojf :D
06:35 dcook drojf: You have interset in the harvesting client?
06:35 drojf yep. no real use case so far, but i'd like to play with dspace and koha
06:37 * cait waves at dcook
06:38 dcook heya cait
06:38 dcook drojf: Sweet :)
06:38 dcook We do a fair bit of DSpace and Koha, so I'll probably be playing around with that too at some point
06:38 dcook We do everything right now with custom scripts, but I think that's a bit sub-optimal
06:39 dcook I'll be looking at writing up a XSLT for Dspace to convert DIM to MARC, I think
06:39 dcook Although I have a million things I'd love to do, so you never know :p
06:39 drojf heh i know that problem
06:41 dcook hehe
06:41 dcook At the moment, I'm trying to use Chef to set up an Amazon EC2 instance so that it would be ready for Koha (without necessarily installing Koha)
06:41 dcook Works pretty well thanks to eythian (and probably liw) setting up the koha-deps and koha-perldeps packages on the community repo
06:42 dcook Anywho, I should get going
06:42 dcook Wife is late getting home thanks to the hostage taking in the city
06:43 drojf hostage taking? Oo
06:43 dcook Yeah, nasty stuff
06:43 dcook[…]n-place-cafe-live
06:44 dcook I think it's been going over 8  hours now
06:44 drojf shit
06:45 dcook A potentially even nastier thing is that anti-Islamic tensions are increasing as well
06:45 dcook I think there's already been violence and threats of violence against Muslims around Sydney :(
06:45 dcook Anyway, I'll stop rambling
06:45 dcook As for the OAI stuff, I plan to post to that existing bug report at some point
06:46 dcook I think it's a vast improvement over what I had in the past
06:46 dcook DBIC has helped a lot with that
06:46 dcook Actually need to take a look at the test site that I have using it right now in a union catalogue type scenario
06:48 drojf sounds great
06:48 drojf (the oai pat, not the other one)
06:48 drojf *part
06:50 drojf we have anti-muslim rallies over here now. "concerned citizens" that march with open neonazis, but don't like to be called right wing. fun times
06:51 dcook Yeah, I saw some strange things when I was in Greece recently
06:51 dcook Fair amount of ultra left and ultra right it seemed
06:52 dcook Even people I've known for years who always seemed really sensible have started to succumb to some of these ideas
06:52 dcook Disturbing stuff :(
06:53 drojf :(
07:05 dcook All right. Heading hoooome.
07:05 dcook night all
07:05 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
07:06 drojf night dcook
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07:42 reiveune hello
07:57 * magnuse waves
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07:59 magnuse bonjour reiveune et aleisha
07:59 magnuse alex_a
08:00 alex_a salut magnuse
08:00 alex_a hello all
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08:22 gaetan_B hello
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08:23 cait good morning #koha
08:27 ashimema morning #koha
08:27 cait morning ashimema
08:28 ashimema how are you today cait?
08:28 cait tired? :)
08:29 ashimema me too
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08:33 magnuse hiya gaetan_B akafred cait ashimema
08:34 cait morning magnuse
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09:27 * cait waves
09:28 * ashimema screams
09:31 cait huh
09:31 * cait hides
09:34 * liw wakes up: ice creams?
09:36 magnuse nah, too cold
09:36 liw magnuse, I don't understand what you mean
09:41 cait so... shoudl we call for help or soß
09:41 cait ?
09:42 magnuse @wunder boo
09:42 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (10:20 AM CET on December 15, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 28.97 in 981 hPa (Steady).
09:42 * cait pokes ashimema
09:42 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
09:42 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berolinastr., Berlin-Mitte, Berlin, Germany is 3.8°C (10:40 AM CET on December 15, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
09:42 cait @wunder Konstanz
09:42 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 6.7°C (10:40 AM CET on December 15, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
09:42 magnuse ooh, hot!
09:42 magnuse @wunder marseille
09:42 liw @wunder espoo
09:42 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 12.6°C (10:41 AM CET on December 15, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
09:42 huginn liw: The current temperature in Viherlaakso, Espoo, Finland is 3.9°C (11:40 AM EET on December 15, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
09:42 magnuse i win/loose
09:43 ashimema :)
09:43 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk
09:43 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 6.6°C (9:40 AM GMT on December 15, 2014). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
09:43 * liw has eaten ice cream cones outside in -20 degree Celsius, much to the amazement of Japanese tourists (who surrounded /me with cameras)
09:44 magnuse lol
09:45 cait hm wondering, was it possible to print fines on a checkout slip or not?
09:45 cait i guess not
09:45 cait bug 8591
09:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8591 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , show sum of any outstanding fines for patron on the issue slip
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12:07 paxed so, facets don't strip out AACR2, nor are they case-insensitive. blergh
12:08 cait i think this might be a configuration thing - you could add it to the new bug report
12:08 cait i mean there is already one for the punctuation
12:09 paxed i know, i reported that.
12:10 cait yeah just found it
12:10 cait bug 13231
12:10 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13231 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , ISBD/AACR2 punctuation causes double facets
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12:15 drojf is it just me, or is it impossible to reset the not for loan status of an item? it appears to me a change is only made if i choose one of the other values, empty doesn't work (3.18.1)
12:17 cait ew
12:17 cait sec i can test
12:17 cait how are you changing it, in cataloguing?
12:17 drojf yes
12:18 drojf and changing the language in staff client results in an error. language is changed when i hit the back button though. hasn't this been fixed long ago?
12:18 cait drojf: you are right
12:18 cait :(
12:18 cait can you check the logs? can't access them here
12:18 cait seems to depend on the page - but you are right for the additem screen
12:19 cait ... and plese file a bug?
12:19 cait or 2
12:20 cait drojf: it's the same for all the authorized value driven status fields
12:20 cait yu can't unset them
12:20 drojf :((
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12:35 drojf bug 13465
12:35 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13465 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Fields controlled by authorized values cannot be unset
12:36 drojf i have not actually checked if its a problem in biblio cataloguing too or only for items
12:45 cait i thnk it's probably items
12:45 cait we changed somet things about that scrit
12:45 cait druthb.
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12:59 oleonard Hi #koha
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13:11 tcohen hi oleonard #koha
13:14 magnuse ¡hola tcohen!
13:14 tcohen hi magnuse
13:16 khall mornin #koha!
13:17 khall cait: re: bug 13023, as far as I can tell only the marc21 frameworks define the nonpublic note, is that correct?
13:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13023 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Nonpublic note for items should be mapped to a database column like itemnotes
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13:23 tcohen cait: you can take a look at the previous facet calculation code, it is pretty much unchanged in 3.18 (for use_zebra_facets=0)
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13:29 khall tcohen: do you know offhand the answer to my question, do any of the unimarc frameworks contain an item nonpublic note? As far as I can tell, the answer is no
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13:44 Joubu khall:
13:45 Joubu git grep nonpublic                                                                                      [14:44:32]
13:45 Joubu fr-FR/marcflavour/unimarc_comple​t/Obligatoire/framework_DEFAULT.sql:('995', 'z', 'Note interne', '', 0, 0, 'items.nonpublicnote', 10, '', '', '', 0, 0, '', NULL, '', '');
13:45 Joubu that's what you are searching for?
13:45 cait khall: and thx :)
13:45 khall Joubu: yep, that's the only one that got me, since it references a nonexistent column
13:45 cait ah now i missed tcohen
13:46 khall Joubu: should I just fix up that one line to point to the new non-public note column?
13:48 cait khall: please also fix the FA frameworks - they are still mapping paidfor :(
13:48 cait and it hink the grep won't work, as this is a new column? they are probably mapped to nothing or to paidfor right now
13:48 cait probably need to search for 995 z?
13:49 khall cait: working on it!
13:50 cait khall: inconsistent mappings are the worst :(
13:50 khall cait: agreed
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13:51 Joubu khall: yes, I think so
13:52 khall Joubu: will do!
13:52 cait i am very happy to see that cleaned up - sorry for causing you more headache
13:53 cait but it hink this way it will be nice and clean for every new customer... and that will make us happy :)
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14:03 khall cait: np! can you take a look at the fresh qa followup?
14:03 cait not today (christmas party later) but at the weekend latest
14:03 cait trying before
14:04 cait and if somene gets bored... drojf found a mean item cataloguing bug earlier :(
14:04 cait bug 13465
14:04 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13465 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Fields controlled by authorized values cannot be unset
14:04 khall ok, there is one other problem though. Some frameworks have 952$x mapped to paidfor, and are actually using it for that. Should I change those or leave them alone? They'll require translations if I change them
14:05 cait hm not sure i understand, do you have an example?
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15:57 bora hello current my library using pmb with unimarc and now we want to move to koha by convert unimarc to marc21
15:58 bora so how can I convert from unimarc to marc21
15:58 nlegrand bora: you can use unimarc with koha
15:59 bora yes, but my partner required us to used marc21 for exchange record with them
15:59 nlegrand bora: ok :)
16:00 bora any idear
16:01 jcamins Hey, are any French speakers who play musical instruments around?
16:01 drojf bora: maybe that is a start
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16:03 drojf jcamins scares away the french people
16:04 jcamins drojf: awww.
16:04 drojf you got me curious though, i hope you'll find someone :)
16:05 bora drojf: thank
16:05 bora but seem complicated
16:06 cait bora: i think the conversion is a complicated one :(
16:06 drojf bora: i'd think so, yes
16:07 bora I wish I could find software for convert
16:09 nlegrand jcamins: yes
16:10 jcamins nlegrand: Yay! Any idea what "piano 2 mains" would mean on the cover of some sheet music?
16:10 jcamins (it's sheet music for piano)
16:11 jcamins To me "two hands" are what one usually uses for playing the piano, and I don't see any reason that one person couldn't play it.
16:12 nlegrand jcamins: ha I don't play piano :). Maybe it's exercise to play with both hands independently?
16:12 nlegrand jcamins: you don't have more text on your partition?
16:13 jcamins nlegrand: that's all it says about this particular section.
16:13 jcamins And this book is just the part, not the entire score.
16:14 nlegrand jcamins: it seems widely used[…]eux+mains&x=0&y=0
16:15 jcamins nlegrand: good point. It didn't occur to me to look in a French catalog to see if it was common.
16:15 nlegrand jcamins: maybe it's just to say there is one player. We say "piano à quatre mains" when you have two players.
16:16 jcamins nlegrand: yeah, that's what it seems like. It just seemed so weird to say "this isn't an unusual score."
16:17 nlegrand right :)
16:17 sophie_m jcamins : I think that is to make difference with "4 mains" that needs 2 players
16:17 drojf maybe it's a warning. don't try to play with two people or you'll end up in a fight
16:17 jcamins drojf: lol
16:17 sophie_m :D
16:18 jcamins "No, I want to play middle C!"
16:18 jcamins nlegrand++
16:18 drojf required by law for historical reasons ;)
16:18 jcamins sophie_m++
16:18 nlegrand jcamins: got to go, sorry for not helping that much ^^ (count on me when you'll have some french clarinet questions :))
16:18 jcamins nlegrand: thank you!
16:19 jcamins That's probably my only French sheet music question.
16:19 jcamins Maybe.
16:19 * jcamins doesn't usually work with French sheet music.
16:19 nlegrand :)
16:19 drojf you should, it seems like fun
16:19 drojf and we learn a lot
16:20 jcamins drojf: experience suggests no matter what I'm working on, you're going to get to hear about it. :P
16:20 drojf and it's fun all the time \o/
16:20 jcamins "orchestral accompaniment arranged for pianoforte."
16:20 * cait is happy to have drojf back :)
16:20 jcamins Thank goodness the cataloger clarified that it was a pianoforte!
16:20 drojf that sounds similar to french :)
16:21 gaetan_B bye
16:31 jcamins Woohoo!
16:31 * jcamins just got to write "devotees of cults of fire gods throughout the world" in a catalog record.
16:32 drojf lol
16:33 jcamins Actually, it just gets better and better.
16:34 jcamins "story of a widowed gypsy girl from Andalusia haunted by her unfaithful dead husband"
16:35 jcamins And right now I'm listening to Ave Maria from Notre Dame de Paris. Very appropriate.
16:36 drojf :D
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18:45 rangi morning
18:49 Dyrcona afternoon
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19:40 rangi gmcharlt: about?
19:45 rangi 96/8
19:45 rangi hmm
19:45 rangi wahanui: 96/8?
19:45 wahanui 12
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19:55 gmcharlt rangi: so, to request a CVE for a security fix
19:56 gmcharlt join the oss-security mailing list
19:56 gmcharlt then send an email to the list that includes "CVE request" in the subject
19:56 gmcharlt the content should contain or reference
19:56 gmcharlt 1. the release announcement for the fixes
19:56 gmcharlt 2. descriptions of the security issues
19:57 gmcharlt 3. and pointers to the fixes
19:57 gmcharlt 2 & 3 generally can be combined by pointing to BZ bugs
19:57 gmcharlt for example:[…]ity/2014/02/07/10
19:57 rangi i guess once the fix is released we can move the bug out of koha-security so everyone can see it eh?
19:58 gmcharlt rangi: yep
19:58 rangi ta
19:58 gmcharlt and an example of the response from MITRE:[…]-02/msg00084.html
19:58 rangi excellent thanks
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20:47 * magnuse waves
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21:05 wizzyrea hey magnuse :)
21:07 magnuse kia ora wizzyrea
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21:45 andrewma Hi! Just about to submit my first patch! Is anyone on?
21:46 andrewma git send-email is asking for the Message-ID to be used as In-Reply-To, what should I answer?
21:46 wizzyrea use the default I'd reckon, I don't recall doing anything special there.
21:47 wizzyrea also hi and SQUEE! a new contributor!
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21:53 andrewma Thanks wizzyrea!
21:53 wizzyrea yep nw, good luck :)
21:54 andrewma Damn, my Perl hasn't got the Net::SMTP module after all that... Will email to patch list manually.
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22:03 m_ ?
22:03 m_ (just checking if the web client works, it seems to)
22:10 m_ why are there two Koha General IRC meetings, at 9UTC and 21UTC?
22:11 rangi because there are lots of people in different timezones
22:12 m_ strange, but I see.
22:14 m_ thanks!
22:18 wizzyrea getting half the planet to turn up outside of work hours is challenging.
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22:32 * dcook likes sleeping
22:32 dcook That's in regards to meeting times
22:32 dcook But also true in general
22:33 dcook 9am on the 17th... is 8pm on the 17th here..
22:34 dcook 21 on the 17th is... 8am...
22:34 dcook Actually, I suppose I wouldn't be asleep for either of those
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22:42 cait hi #koha
22:42 dcook yo cait
22:42 dcook 11:42? I guess I can't say it's too too late :p
22:43 cait just got home
22:43 cait we had our christmas party today
22:43 dcook \o/
22:43 dcook I don't know if I've ever been to a Christmas party
22:43 dcook Maybe once
22:43 dcook Was it fun? :)
23:26 dcook Hmm, I guess no one must use Unapi
23:26 dcook It appears to be broken as
23:26 dcook At least outside of a git install
23:27 * dcook thinks he has a quick fix coming though..
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