Time  Nick         Message
00:39 dcook        standard?
00:39 wahanui      standard is not so practical for that
00:39 dcook        standard?
00:39 wahanui      i think standard is not so practical for that
00:39 dcook        marc?
00:39 wahanui      http://marc-must-die.info
00:39 dcook        standards?
00:39 wahanui      the great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from!
00:39 dcook        \o/
02:30 eythian      hi
02:30 wahanui      hola, eythian
02:30 eythian      look what I did
02:33 wizzyrea     what did you did
02:50 dcook        O_o
04:43 dcook        Acquisitions will always have me scratching my head
04:43 dcook        Item count: 11
04:43 dcook        Biblio count: 11
04:43 dcook        Items expected: 3
04:43 dcook        :S
04:44 eythian      heh
04:44 dcook        Ahhh, all but 3 have been received..
04:45 dcook        But the basket isn't closed..
04:45 dcook        Does the basket even need to close?
04:45 dcook        What is a basket?! O_o
04:46 dcook        I mean... I know... sort of
04:52 dcook        I think this idea of closed/open has changed over time...
05:43 dcook        Lovely... 3.14.5 stats uses biblioitem itype...
05:44 dcook        hehe
05:45 dcook        Excerpt from master:
05:45 dcook        # FIXME itemtype should record item level type, not bibliolevel type
05:45 dcook        Don't mind making a patch for this one, but when a bug affects something like stats... yikes
05:46 eythian      erk, so many people don't use the biblioitem itype
05:46 eythian      well
05:46 eythian      I suppose it is compulsory
05:46 dcook        ^
05:46 dcook        Only in some frameworks :/
05:46 dcook        Easy to get by without it
05:46 eythian      but still, it's usually ignored
05:46 eythian      yeah true
05:46 eythian      @wunder nzwn
05:47 huginn       eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (6:30 PM NZDT on December 16, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
05:47 dcook        I suppose it should still consider that system preference of whether to use the bib level or the item level though
05:47 eythian      yes, it should do that
05:47 eythian      erg, it's still hot out there
05:47 eythian      oh well, time to go
05:47 eythian      later
06:09 dcook        later eythian
06:09 dcook        @wunder syd
06:09 huginn       dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 25.0°C (5:00 PM AEDT on December 16, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Falling).
06:10 dcook        Hmmm...
06:10 * dcook      looks outside
06:10 dcook        Do I have to go outside?
06:30 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
06:31 mtompset     @seen marcelr
06:31 huginn       mtompset: marcelr was last seen in #koha 4 days, 18 hours, 58 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <marcelr> Joubu++ # i hope to look at some of your lists improvements soon
06:37 dcook        hey mtompset, cait
06:37 dcook        Alas, I'm going to head off
06:37 dcook        Have a good night :)
06:37 mtompset     Greetings and Goodbye, dcook.
06:38 mtompset     dcook: simple signoff? 13416?
06:38 dcook        bug 13416
06:38 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13416 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Typo in marc21_leader.pl position 5 (record status)
06:38 dcook        Interesting!
06:38 wahanui      i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
06:38 dcook        I'd have to look tomorrow
06:39 dcook        night
06:41 mtompset     Good night. Thanks. :0
06:41 * mtompset   gasps!
06:41 mtompset     Bug 6679 is still active and true!
06:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, P3, ---, mtj, Needs Signoff , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
07:14 ashimema     morning #koha
07:21 rangi        evening
07:21 rangi        ashimema: you should have access to the security bugs now
07:24 ashimema     Cheers rangi..
07:24 ashimema     I spotted you'de had a play this morning
07:24 ashimema     I take it I just got missed after a bz upgrade or somthing.
07:26 ashimema     hows kiwicon.. you guys enjoying yourselves?
07:26 rangi        finished on friday :)
07:26 ashimema     oops
07:26 rangi        hmm i dunno how it got missed, its just a setting in bugzilla itself, not really to do with bz at all
07:27 rangi        you just add users to a group, and give that group access to a product
07:27 ashimema     oh well.. sorted now
07:27 ashimema     means cait can pester me again ;)
07:27 rangi        :)
07:42 * ashimema   really wants to get angular into koha...
07:44 reiveune     hello
07:44 wahanui      niihau, reiveune
07:49 * magnuse    waves
07:50 ashimema     morning magnuse, reiveune
07:50 magnuse      howdy ashimema
07:50 ashimema     magnuse.. have you looked at the accounts re-write at all ever?
07:50 magnuse      um, nope, sorry
07:51 ashimema     K, no worries then.
07:51 ashimema     wanted to get some other peoples perspective on it.
07:51 ashimema     The more I read the code, the less I understand it
07:56 alex_a       hello
07:56 wahanui      kia ora, alex_a
07:57 magnuse      bonjour alex_a
07:57 magnuse      ashimema: that does not sound too good...
07:57 ashimema     I 'think' the backend changes sort of make sense.. but I'm not expert in accounting software
07:58 ashimema     but the UI code seems really strange to me..
07:58 ashimema     plus.. there's enhancements mixed in with the re-write.
07:58 ashimema     personally.. I'de prefer one bug for feature parity.. and then followup bugs for enhancements..
07:58 ashimema     much easier to test that way.
08:14 cait         morning #koha
08:14 magnuse      kia ora cait
08:14 ashimema     morning cait
08:14 cait         hi magnuse and ashimema
08:15 magnuse      ashimema: yeah, that does make sense, but it is hard sometimes to not improve things when you are on a roll ;-)
08:15 ashimema     Indeed
08:16 ashimema     I have a feeling I'm gonna need to grab my pet accountant friend and get him to explain double accounting to me in relation to these db tables
08:17 cait         sounds good
08:18 cait         actually great idea :)
08:18 cait         if we are going to do this, we better get it right :)
08:24 nlegrand     hiya #koha
08:24 nlegrand     hey cait ashimema
08:25 nlegrand     hey magnuse
08:25 wahanui      magnuse is probably afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
08:25 ashimema     hehe
08:26 gaetan_B     hello
08:38 mtompset     No, just 200. ;)
08:38 mtompset     Have a great day, #koha.
09:03 drojf        good morning #koha
09:04 cait         morning drojf
09:04 drojf        hi cait :)
09:05 cait         ashimema++
09:14 ashimema     magnuse.. did you know http://www.enger.priv.no/ is showing cache errors?
09:14 ashimema     linked to from your wiki profile ;)
09:42 magnuse      oops, thanks ashimema
13:53 magnuse      ssshhh...
13:53 * drojf      holds his breath
13:58 * nengard    is wondering why we're being quiet
14:08 magnuse      nengard: don't wonder, we just are :-)
14:08 * nengard    whispers
14:08 nengard      okay
14:10 liw          On IRC, we watch the silence for clues about the meaning of the universe
14:11 rambutan     I need coffee. That's meaning.
14:25 ashimema     the silence is deafening
14:27 sachin       i need help in importing books from excel using marcedit
14:28 sachin       when adding multiple items barcode is not generating
14:32 * druthb     tiptoes around awkwardly, looking to see if cait is awake.
14:33 * druthb     sees that she's not, and blames magnuse
14:36 cait         i am awake :)
14:36 cait         just have to run to the bus in a minute
14:37 * drojf      blames magnuse anyway
14:39 drojf        sachin: what exactly is your question?
14:40 sachin       i was successfully able to import books into koha using marcedit but i am not able to generate barcodes when adding duplicate items
14:43 drojf        how are you trying to generate barcodes?
14:43 sachin       vis excel sheet
14:43 sachin       via*
14:45 drojf        i don't know anything about excel. but you need to have one 952 field per item that you want to import.
14:45 sachin       ok fine, how can i import duplicate items via marcedit
14:48 drojf        i don't know anything about marcedit either. it's nonfree software i don't use. maybe someone else here has experience with that. in your marc file you would have two 952 fields in the record that you want to import, if there are two items attached to one biblio
14:49 sachin       can you give example how to do this in marc file
14:53 drojf        i don#t have an example marc file at hand, sorry. but as i said, you need one 952 entry per item, with respective branch code and barcode
14:54 drojf        well
14:58 ashimema     anyone else seeing this bug 13458 upon upgrade to 3.18
14:58 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13458 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add new patron shows default / hardcoded patron categories after search
14:59 JoshB        morning everyone
15:04 talljoy      morning #koha
15:05 talljoy      has anyone completed a currency switch in Koha before?  from local currency to Euros for example?
16:05 jcamins      I have reports that serial receiving takes unnaturally wrong on 3.16.x. Has anyone else heard that?
16:08 jcamins      *long
16:09 jcamins      What a bizarre typo.
16:30 ashimema     @later tell rangi: any chance you could take a quick look at bug 13468 when your awake, pretty please
16:30 huginn       ashimema: The operation succeeded.
17:00 gaetan_B     bye
17:15 reiveune     bye
19:20 rangi        ashimema: ill to do a sign off on that today
19:21 cait         huh? *reads back*
19:22 cait         hm... ok missing something :)
19:30 jcamins      bug 13468
19:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13468 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , overdue notice lists all checked out books
20:15 wizzyrea     boy that guy is going to be righteously impressed :)
20:17 rangi        hmm?
20:28 wizzyrea     the guy who reported the overdues email yesterday
20:28 wizzyrea     email bug*
20:28 wizzyrea     more words needed there.
20:30 rangi        ahh cool :)
20:52 eythian      hi
20:52 wahanui      hola, eythian
20:55 cait         hi eythian
20:55 cait         and wizzyrea and rangi... i am a bit slow today :)
20:56 wizzyrea     hallo cait
21:13 rangi        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb9TK3DYXAM&feature=youtu.be
21:14 eythian      @wunder nzwn
21:14 huginn       eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on December 17, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
21:14 eythian      (metservice site seems to be down)
21:15 eythian      http://weather.niwa.co.nz/Wellington <-- oh, but the niwa site works with firefox now.
21:15 cait         @wunder Konstanz
21:15 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 6.0°C (10:00 PM CET on December 16, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
21:15 eythian      It's supposed to be 20° and raining later today. That's the worst weather. It's also supposed to be a BBQ evening today.
21:16 wizzyrea     but, in the carpark so, no rain :P
21:16 wizzyrea     I rather like 20 and raining.
21:16 eythian      warm and muggy? ew
21:17 aleisha      such confusing weather
21:17 * wizzyrea   is ok with it.
21:17 wizzyrea     I do come from the land of Extra Hot (tm)
21:18 wizzyrea     in case you wanted some hot to go with your hot weather.
21:18 wizzyrea     and Extra cold.
21:19 cait         i am glad it's not really cold yet
21:19 cait         i might even survive the trip to the christmas market without losing toes :)
21:32 wizzyrea     what do you need toes for?
21:32 wizzyrea     j/k j/k
21:33 cait         hm not sure... balance?
21:33 cait         but i am clumsy anyway :)
21:41 ibeardslee   wizzyrea: hmm interesting that the j/k is also the initials of john key .. coincidence?
21:41 wizzyrea     no that is very not interesting.
21:41 ibeardslee   fine then
21:42 * ibeardslee wanders to sulk
21:42 wizzyrea     now one of my favourite abbreviations is polluted. Thanks ibeardslee.
21:42 * wizzyrea   sulks too
21:42 * wizzyrea   is not really sulking
21:42 wizzyrea     ok well maybe a little.
21:45 rickx        Hello everyone, someone could help me with bibliographic data migration I'm doing with MARCEdit
21:48 rickx        I know the equivalence of field 952 with the items table, but my question is how to add information to a field more_subfields_xml
21:48 rangi        rickx you dont worry about that in marcedit
21:49 rangi        you just put it in the 952 whatever subfield
21:49 rangi        and if its not mapped in koha, it will end up in more_subfields_xml
21:51 rickx        rangi many thanks, that thought but wanted to confirm
21:52 rangi        cool
21:53 rickx        rangi, this makes any version of koha? the institution has the version 3.8.7
21:54 rangi        wow, thats super old
21:54 rangi        but yes, any version post 3.4.x
21:57 rickx        ok
21:58 rangi        (november 2012 that was released 3.8.7)
21:58 rickx        =952 \\$aBIB$p00001$yBK$A456$Bcopy
21:58 rickx        Might give an example of how is this in the field more_subfields_xml
21:59 * dcook      was thinking that 3.8.7 has to be about 2 years ago
21:59 dcook        How fast things do advance
21:59 rickx        A and B are not mapped subfields
22:03 cait         hm thy should be
22:03 cait         holdingbranch and homebranch... or the other way around
22:03 cait         ah, capital A
22:03 cait         right sorry, ignore what I said :)
22:03 cait         but you will want to add a $b with BIB too
22:04 cait         to have both, homebranch and holdingbranch set - that will save you some headache
22:05 rickx        If I have $b, is just one example
22:06 rickx        to know how would be $ A and $ B in the field more_subfields_xml
22:07 rickx        =952 \\$aBIB$bBIB$p00001$yBK$A456$Bcopy
22:09 rickx        One more question, A and B must have been created prior to migration in the framework?
22:09 cait         I'd reocmmend it
22:10 cait         it will import, but koha will forget it once it gets opened in the editor and saved again
22:11 rangi        yeah
22:12 rickx        many thanks cait
22:13 rickx        many thanks rangi
22:13 cait         :)
22:13 cait         it's a bit late, hope i didn't cause too much confusion
22:14 cait         hm bug 13465 is an evil one
22:14 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13465 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Fields controlled by authorized values cannot be unset
22:14 cait         it means you can't get rid of a not for loan, damaged or whatever status once you set it
22:17 wizzyrea     ohh that is evil.
22:17 cait         yep
22:18 * rickx      slaps rickx around a bit with a large fishbot
22:18 rangi        maybe aleisha could take a look at that one tomorrow
22:18 cait         that would be cool
22:18 cait         maybe a git bisect
22:18 rangi        yeah
22:19 aleisha      i'll give it a go tomorrow :)
22:20 rangi        yay
22:22 dcook        Hehe. Reading more about RDA and how cataloguers can write whatever they want in a field which should probably be consistent
22:22 dcook        Good times
22:22 rangi        im pretending it deosnt exist
22:22 rangi        i find that that is the best thing to do with really bad ideas
22:24 dcook        I hear that
22:24 * dcook      pretends many things don't exist these days
22:24 dcook        As a result, reasonably chipper :)
22:24 rangi        https://www.thisismyjam.com/ranginui   <-- my current mood
22:25 dcook        hehe
22:26 cait         rangi: i can't do that :(
22:26 rangi        you cant do soundcloud?
22:26 cait         rangi: union catalog implements it and I will have RDA data to deal with way too soon
22:27 rangi        gema again?
22:27 cait         no - ignore it :)
22:27 cait         the music is fine :)
22:27 rangi        oh then my next option if you cant ignore it
22:27 rangi        is to say
22:27 rangi        "this is broken"
22:27 rangi        every single time
22:27 cait         won't work if all germany is going rda :)
22:27 rangi        "you realise this is broken right?"
22:27 rangi        every single time
22:28 dcook        ^
22:29 * dcook      is just about to comment on 13381, cait :)
22:29 dcook        Not that I'm being helpful. Just adding 2 cents.
22:29 cait         bug 13381
22:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13381 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , RDA: 245 field changes in XSLT
22:30 cait         while you are on it... there is also bug 13382
22:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13382 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , RDA: 700/710/711 display in XSLT
22:30 cait         and my dislike of | :)
22:31 dcook        hehe
22:31 dcook        K, i'll take a look
22:31 cait         time to sleep here - bye all :)
22:31 dcook        night cait
22:33 magnuse      let's semantify koha and show all the people all the cool things they can do then, and they will forget about rda
22:33 dcook        magnuse: It's not a bad idea
22:33 dcook        I don't know about everyone else, but I'm sure a lot of our libraries couldn't care less about MARC and RDA really
22:34 dcook        I mean... they need to meet those requirements
22:34 dcook        But the frameworks are enough for that
22:34 dcook        Then we can do whatever we want after that
22:34 magnuse      :-)
22:34 dcook        MARC and RDA seem to me to be "professional" checkboxes
22:34 dcook        You have to check them, but after that...
22:34 rangi        yeah
22:34 rangi        magnuse: you will have to charge them to read the spec
22:35 dcook        hehe
22:35 rangi        apparently that's what makes it a real thing
22:35 magnuse      hm, do i want transport="telnet" or transport="RAW" for a SIP2 that will be talking to a self check machine?
22:35 magnuse      rangi: i can do that ;-)
22:35 rangi        :)
22:35 rangi        RAW most of the time magnuse
22:35 rangi        you might have to fiddle with the line endings
22:36 rangi        some want CR
22:36 rangi        some LF
22:36 magnuse      rangi: thanks, i'll try that and see what they say at the other end
22:36 rangi        some CRLF
22:36 magnuse      such fun!
22:36 rangi        yeah
22:36 rangi        standards .. why just have 1 .. when you can have them all!
22:36 magnuse      so true
22:36 magnuse      i <3 library standards
22:39 dcook        I've been thinking a bit about Ebsco
22:39 dcook        I want to say it, and many other services, make up record/item types, yeah?
22:39 dcook        It is half-tempting to do that
22:40 rangi        yeah
22:40 dcook        Rather than rely on MARC's billion places to store information in coded and uncoded (yet ridiculously worded) formats
22:40 rangi        yep
22:40 bag          magnuse: HI
22:40 wahanui      hi, bag
22:40 dcook        rangi: Glad to see affirmations :D
22:40 bag          sweet I got that one in before magnuse got me :D
22:41 dcook        It's in the back of my mind. Maybe one of these days I'll think more about it.
22:42 magnuse      bag: HI
22:42 dcook        Actually, I guess I did add a local facet for record type, and tweaked the labels a bit
22:42 dcook        Of course, it relies on "proper" cataloguing, which is... not reliable
23:21 rangi        right time to get some lunch
23:23 dcook        Interesting... I have no itemtypes in my database, but somehow the stat for the issue has an itemtype of JOURNAL...
23:24 dcook        Oh wait... I have an idea..
23:24 dcook        Ah... sneaky item type in the imported biblio..
23:27 dcook        Hmm.. didn't know that C4::GetItem magically used the biblio's itemtype if it doesn't have its own...
23:37 dcook        "item-level_itypes" is such a pet peeve...
23:51 Pabloab      Hi all!
23:52 Pabloab      Yes, I have a problem :( I need to read several times a batch of records, but witout opening file once and again.... Im needing something like $record = $batch->fitst() to set reference back to start...