Time Nick Message 00:39 dcook standard? 00:39 wahanui standard is not so practical for that 00:39 dcook standard? 00:39 wahanui i think standard is not so practical for that 00:39 dcook marc? 00:39 wahanui http://marc-must-die.info 00:39 dcook standards? 00:39 wahanui the great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from! 00:39 dcook \o/ 02:30 eythian hi 02:30 wahanui hola, eythian 02:30 eythian look what I did 02:33 wizzyrea what did you did 02:50 dcook O_o 04:43 dcook Acquisitions will always have me scratching my head 04:43 dcook Item count: 11 04:43 dcook Biblio count: 11 04:43 dcook Items expected: 3 04:43 dcook :S 04:44 eythian heh 04:44 dcook Ahhh, all but 3 have been received.. 04:45 dcook But the basket isn't closed.. 04:45 dcook Does the basket even need to close? 04:45 dcook What is a basket?! O_o 04:46 dcook I mean... I know... sort of 04:52 dcook I think this idea of closed/open has changed over time... 05:43 dcook Lovely... 3.14.5 stats uses biblioitem itype... 05:44 dcook hehe 05:45 dcook Excerpt from master: 05:45 dcook # FIXME itemtype should record item level type, not bibliolevel type 05:45 dcook Don't mind making a patch for this one, but when a bug affects something like stats... yikes 05:46 eythian erk, so many people don't use the biblioitem itype 05:46 eythian well 05:46 eythian I suppose it is compulsory 05:46 dcook ^ 05:46 dcook Only in some frameworks :/ 05:46 dcook Easy to get by without it 05:46 eythian but still, it's usually ignored 05:46 eythian yeah true 05:46 eythian @wunder nzwn 05:47 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (6:30 PM NZDT on December 16, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 05:47 dcook I suppose it should still consider that system preference of whether to use the bib level or the item level though 05:47 eythian yes, it should do that 05:47 eythian erg, it's still hot out there 05:47 eythian oh well, time to go 05:47 eythian later 06:09 dcook later eythian 06:09 dcook @wunder syd 06:09 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 25.0°C (5:00 PM AEDT on December 16, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Falling). 06:10 dcook Hmmm... 06:10 * dcook looks outside 06:10 dcook Do I have to go outside? 06:30 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 06:31 mtompset @seen marcelr 06:31 huginn mtompset: marcelr was last seen in #koha 4 days, 18 hours, 58 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <marcelr> Joubu++ # i hope to look at some of your lists improvements soon 06:37 dcook hey mtompset, cait 06:37 dcook Alas, I'm going to head off 06:37 dcook Have a good night :) 06:37 mtompset Greetings and Goodbye, dcook. 06:38 mtompset dcook: simple signoff? 13416? 06:38 dcook bug 13416 06:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13416 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Typo in marc21_leader.pl position 5 (record status) 06:38 dcook Interesting! 06:38 wahanui i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 06:38 dcook I'd have to look tomorrow 06:39 dcook night 06:41 mtompset Good night. Thanks. :0 06:41 * mtompset gasps! 06:41 mtompset Bug 6679 is still active and true! 06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, P3, ---, mtj, Needs Signoff , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests 07:14 ashimema morning #koha 07:21 rangi evening 07:21 rangi ashimema: you should have access to the security bugs now 07:24 ashimema Cheers rangi.. 07:24 ashimema I spotted you'de had a play this morning 07:24 ashimema I take it I just got missed after a bz upgrade or somthing. 07:26 ashimema hows kiwicon.. you guys enjoying yourselves? 07:26 rangi finished on friday :) 07:26 ashimema oops 07:26 rangi hmm i dunno how it got missed, its just a setting in bugzilla itself, not really to do with bz at all 07:27 rangi you just add users to a group, and give that group access to a product 07:27 ashimema oh well.. sorted now 07:27 ashimema means cait can pester me again ;) 07:27 rangi :) 07:42 * ashimema really wants to get angular into koha... 07:44 reiveune hello 07:44 wahanui niihau, reiveune 07:49 * magnuse waves 07:50 ashimema morning magnuse, reiveune 07:50 magnuse howdy ashimema 07:50 ashimema magnuse.. have you looked at the accounts re-write at all ever? 07:50 magnuse um, nope, sorry 07:51 ashimema K, no worries then. 07:51 ashimema wanted to get some other peoples perspective on it. 07:51 ashimema The more I read the code, the less I understand it 07:56 alex_a hello 07:56 wahanui kia ora, alex_a 07:57 magnuse bonjour alex_a 07:57 magnuse ashimema: that does not sound too good... 07:57 ashimema I 'think' the backend changes sort of make sense.. but I'm not expert in accounting software 07:58 ashimema but the UI code seems really strange to me.. 07:58 ashimema plus.. there's enhancements mixed in with the re-write. 07:58 ashimema personally.. I'de prefer one bug for feature parity.. and then followup bugs for enhancements.. 07:58 ashimema much easier to test that way. 08:14 cait morning #koha 08:14 magnuse kia ora cait 08:14 ashimema morning cait 08:14 cait hi magnuse and ashimema 08:15 magnuse ashimema: yeah, that does make sense, but it is hard sometimes to not improve things when you are on a roll ;-) 08:15 ashimema Indeed 08:16 ashimema I have a feeling I'm gonna need to grab my pet accountant friend and get him to explain double accounting to me in relation to these db tables 08:17 cait sounds good 08:18 cait actually great idea :) 08:18 cait if we are going to do this, we better get it right :) 08:24 nlegrand hiya #koha 08:24 nlegrand hey cait ashimema 08:25 nlegrand hey magnuse 08:25 wahanui magnuse is probably afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 08:25 ashimema hehe 08:26 gaetan_B hello 08:38 mtompset No, just 200. ;) 08:38 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 09:03 drojf good morning #koha 09:04 cait morning drojf 09:04 drojf hi cait :) 09:05 cait ashimema++ 09:14 ashimema magnuse.. did you know http://www.enger.priv.no/ is showing cache errors? 09:14 ashimema linked to from your wiki profile ;) 09:42 magnuse oops, thanks ashimema 13:53 magnuse ssshhh... 13:53 * drojf holds his breath 13:58 * nengard is wondering why we're being quiet 14:08 magnuse nengard: don't wonder, we just are :-) 14:08 * nengard whispers 14:08 nengard okay 14:10 liw On IRC, we watch the silence for clues about the meaning of the universe 14:11 rambutan I need coffee. That's meaning. 14:25 ashimema the silence is deafening 14:27 sachin i need help in importing books from excel using marcedit 14:28 sachin when adding multiple items barcode is not generating 14:32 * druthb tiptoes around awkwardly, looking to see if cait is awake. 14:33 * druthb sees that she's not, and blames magnuse 14:36 cait i am awake :) 14:36 cait just have to run to the bus in a minute 14:37 * drojf blames magnuse anyway 14:39 drojf sachin: what exactly is your question? 14:40 sachin i was successfully able to import books into koha using marcedit but i am not able to generate barcodes when adding duplicate items 14:43 drojf how are you trying to generate barcodes? 14:43 sachin vis excel sheet 14:43 sachin via* 14:45 drojf i don't know anything about excel. but you need to have one 952 field per item that you want to import. 14:45 sachin ok fine, how can i import duplicate items via marcedit 14:48 drojf i don't know anything about marcedit either. it's nonfree software i don't use. maybe someone else here has experience with that. in your marc file you would have two 952 fields in the record that you want to import, if there are two items attached to one biblio 14:49 sachin can you give example how to do this in marc file 14:53 drojf i don#t have an example marc file at hand, sorry. but as i said, you need one 952 entry per item, with respective branch code and barcode 14:54 drojf well 14:58 ashimema anyone else seeing this bug 13458 upon upgrade to 3.18 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13458 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add new patron shows default / hardcoded patron categories after search 14:59 JoshB morning everyone 15:04 talljoy morning #koha 15:05 talljoy has anyone completed a currency switch in Koha before? from local currency to Euros for example? 16:05 jcamins I have reports that serial receiving takes unnaturally wrong on 3.16.x. Has anyone else heard that? 16:08 jcamins *long 16:09 jcamins What a bizarre typo. 16:30 ashimema @later tell rangi: any chance you could take a quick look at bug 13468 when your awake, pretty please 16:30 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 17:00 gaetan_B bye 17:15 reiveune bye 19:20 rangi ashimema: ill to do a sign off on that today 19:21 cait huh? *reads back* 19:22 cait hm... ok missing something :) 19:30 jcamins bug 13468 19:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13468 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , overdue notice lists all checked out books 20:15 wizzyrea boy that guy is going to be righteously impressed :) 20:17 rangi hmm? 20:28 wizzyrea the guy who reported the overdues email yesterday 20:28 wizzyrea email bug* 20:28 wizzyrea more words needed there. 20:30 rangi ahh cool :) 20:52 eythian hi 20:52 wahanui hola, eythian 20:55 cait hi eythian 20:55 cait and wizzyrea and rangi... i am a bit slow today :) 20:56 wizzyrea hallo cait 21:13 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb9TK3DYXAM&feature=youtu.be 21:14 eythian @wunder nzwn 21:14 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on December 17, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 21:14 eythian (metservice site seems to be down) 21:15 eythian http://weather.niwa.co.nz/Wellington <-- oh, but the niwa site works with firefox now. 21:15 cait @wunder Konstanz 21:15 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 6.0°C (10:00 PM CET on December 16, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 21:15 eythian It's supposed to be 20° and raining later today. That's the worst weather. It's also supposed to be a BBQ evening today. 21:16 wizzyrea but, in the carpark so, no rain :P 21:16 wizzyrea I rather like 20 and raining. 21:16 eythian warm and muggy? ew 21:17 aleisha such confusing weather 21:17 * wizzyrea is ok with it. 21:17 wizzyrea I do come from the land of Extra Hot (tm) 21:18 wizzyrea in case you wanted some hot to go with your hot weather. 21:18 wizzyrea and Extra cold. 21:19 cait i am glad it's not really cold yet 21:19 cait i might even survive the trip to the christmas market without losing toes :) 21:32 wizzyrea what do you need toes for? 21:32 wizzyrea j/k j/k 21:33 cait hm not sure... balance? 21:33 cait but i am clumsy anyway :) 21:41 ibeardslee wizzyrea: hmm interesting that the j/k is also the initials of john key .. coincidence? 21:41 wizzyrea no that is very not interesting. 21:41 ibeardslee fine then 21:42 * ibeardslee wanders to sulk 21:42 wizzyrea now one of my favourite abbreviations is polluted. Thanks ibeardslee. 21:42 * wizzyrea sulks too 21:42 * wizzyrea is not really sulking 21:42 wizzyrea ok well maybe a little. 21:45 rickx Hello everyone, someone could help me with bibliographic data migration I'm doing with MARCEdit 21:48 rickx I know the equivalence of field 952 with the items table, but my question is how to add information to a field more_subfields_xml 21:48 rangi rickx you dont worry about that in marcedit 21:49 rangi you just put it in the 952 whatever subfield 21:49 rangi and if its not mapped in koha, it will end up in more_subfields_xml 21:51 rickx rangi many thanks, that thought but wanted to confirm 21:52 rangi cool 21:53 rickx rangi, this makes any version of koha? the institution has the version 3.8.7 21:54 rangi wow, thats super old 21:54 rangi but yes, any version post 3.4.x 21:57 rickx ok 21:58 rangi (november 2012 that was released 3.8.7) 21:58 rickx =952 \\$aBIB$p00001$yBK$A456$Bcopy 21:58 rickx Might give an example of how is this in the field more_subfields_xml 21:59 * dcook was thinking that 3.8.7 has to be about 2 years ago 21:59 dcook How fast things do advance 21:59 rickx A and B are not mapped subfields 22:03 cait hm thy should be 22:03 cait holdingbranch and homebranch... or the other way around 22:03 cait ah, capital A 22:03 cait right sorry, ignore what I said :) 22:03 cait but you will want to add a $b with BIB too 22:04 cait to have both, homebranch and holdingbranch set - that will save you some headache 22:05 rickx If I have $b, is just one example 22:06 rickx to know how would be $ A and $ B in the field more_subfields_xml 22:07 rickx =952 \\$aBIB$bBIB$p00001$yBK$A456$Bcopy 22:09 rickx One more question, A and B must have been created prior to migration in the framework? 22:09 cait I'd reocmmend it 22:10 cait it will import, but koha will forget it once it gets opened in the editor and saved again 22:11 rangi yeah 22:12 rickx many thanks cait 22:13 rickx many thanks rangi 22:13 cait :) 22:13 cait it's a bit late, hope i didn't cause too much confusion 22:14 cait hm bug 13465 is an evil one 22:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13465 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Fields controlled by authorized values cannot be unset 22:14 cait it means you can't get rid of a not for loan, damaged or whatever status once you set it 22:17 wizzyrea ohh that is evil. 22:17 cait yep 22:18 * rickx slaps rickx around a bit with a large fishbot 22:18 rangi maybe aleisha could take a look at that one tomorrow 22:18 cait that would be cool 22:18 cait maybe a git bisect 22:18 rangi yeah 22:19 aleisha i'll give it a go tomorrow :) 22:20 rangi yay 22:22 dcook Hehe. Reading more about RDA and how cataloguers can write whatever they want in a field which should probably be consistent 22:22 dcook Good times 22:22 rangi im pretending it deosnt exist 22:22 rangi i find that that is the best thing to do with really bad ideas 22:24 dcook I hear that 22:24 * dcook pretends many things don't exist these days 22:24 dcook As a result, reasonably chipper :) 22:24 rangi https://www.thisismyjam.com/ranginui <-- my current mood 22:25 dcook hehe 22:26 cait rangi: i can't do that :( 22:26 rangi you cant do soundcloud? 22:26 cait rangi: union catalog implements it and I will have RDA data to deal with way too soon 22:27 rangi gema again? 22:27 cait no - ignore it :) 22:27 cait the music is fine :) 22:27 rangi oh then my next option if you cant ignore it 22:27 rangi is to say 22:27 rangi "this is broken" 22:27 rangi every single time 22:27 cait won't work if all germany is going rda :) 22:27 rangi "you realise this is broken right?" 22:27 rangi every single time 22:28 dcook ^ 22:29 * dcook is just about to comment on 13381, cait :) 22:29 dcook Not that I'm being helpful. Just adding 2 cents. 22:29 cait bug 13381 22:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13381 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , RDA: 245 field changes in XSLT 22:30 cait while you are on it... there is also bug 13382 22:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13382 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , RDA: 700/710/711 display in XSLT 22:30 cait and my dislike of | :) 22:31 dcook hehe 22:31 dcook K, i'll take a look 22:31 cait time to sleep here - bye all :) 22:31 dcook night cait 22:33 magnuse let's semantify koha and show all the people all the cool things they can do then, and they will forget about rda 22:33 dcook magnuse: It's not a bad idea 22:33 dcook I don't know about everyone else, but I'm sure a lot of our libraries couldn't care less about MARC and RDA really 22:34 dcook I mean... they need to meet those requirements 22:34 dcook But the frameworks are enough for that 22:34 dcook Then we can do whatever we want after that 22:34 magnuse :-) 22:34 dcook MARC and RDA seem to me to be "professional" checkboxes 22:34 dcook You have to check them, but after that... 22:34 rangi yeah 22:34 rangi magnuse: you will have to charge them to read the spec 22:35 dcook hehe 22:35 rangi apparently that's what makes it a real thing 22:35 magnuse hm, do i want transport="telnet" or transport="RAW" for a SIP2 that will be talking to a self check machine? 22:35 magnuse rangi: i can do that ;-) 22:35 rangi :) 22:35 rangi RAW most of the time magnuse 22:35 rangi you might have to fiddle with the line endings 22:36 rangi some want CR 22:36 rangi some LF 22:36 magnuse rangi: thanks, i'll try that and see what they say at the other end 22:36 rangi some CRLF 22:36 magnuse such fun! 22:36 rangi yeah 22:36 rangi standards .. why just have 1 .. when you can have them all! 22:36 magnuse so true 22:36 magnuse i <3 library standards 22:39 dcook I've been thinking a bit about Ebsco 22:39 dcook I want to say it, and many other services, make up record/item types, yeah? 22:39 dcook It is half-tempting to do that 22:40 rangi yeah 22:40 dcook Rather than rely on MARC's billion places to store information in coded and uncoded (yet ridiculously worded) formats 22:40 rangi yep 22:40 bag magnuse: HI 22:40 wahanui hi, bag 22:40 dcook rangi: Glad to see affirmations :D 22:40 bag sweet I got that one in before magnuse got me :D 22:41 dcook It's in the back of my mind. Maybe one of these days I'll think more about it. 22:42 magnuse bag: HI 22:42 dcook Actually, I guess I did add a local facet for record type, and tweaked the labels a bit 22:42 dcook Of course, it relies on "proper" cataloguing, which is... not reliable 23:21 rangi right time to get some lunch 23:23 dcook Interesting... I have no itemtypes in my database, but somehow the stat for the issue has an itemtype of JOURNAL... 23:24 dcook Oh wait... I have an idea.. 23:24 dcook Ah... sneaky item type in the imported biblio.. 23:27 dcook Hmm.. didn't know that C4::GetItem magically used the biblio's itemtype if it doesn't have its own... 23:37 dcook "item-level_itypes" is such a pet peeve... 23:51 Pabloab Hi all! 23:52 Pabloab Yes, I have a problem :( I need to read several times a batch of records, but witout opening file once and again.... Im needing something like $record = $batch->fitst() to set reference back to start...