IRC log for #koha, 2014-03-25

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01:04 eythian > Useless use of '\'; doesn't escape metacharacter '(' at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 848.
01:04 eythian well that's a new one
01:05 wizzyrea O.o
01:19 talljoy back
01:20 wizzyrea no wai
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01:45 wizzyrea dcook++
01:45 eythian
01:46 eythian[…]337015809/photo/1
01:47 dcook \o/
01:47 eythian I think you mean \m/, dcook.
01:47 wizzyrea that makes me think of
01:48 dcook ethyian: I was referring to the karma, but can't go wrong with a little \m/ too
01:56 eythian ./installer/
01:56 eythian that is not the right place for a .pm
01:57 eythian use Digest::MD5 qw(md5_base64);
01:57 eythian hrm
01:59 * wizzyrea blinks
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03:25 eythian hmm, the "holds" column in the holds ratio report sorts lexographically rather than numerically.
03:26 eythian I suppose I should make bugs when I see things like that
03:35 dcook It's not real if you didn't see it?
03:38 eythian to late, I took a screenshot and opened a bug for it :)
03:38 eythian +o
03:38 dcook hehe
03:38 dcook eythian++
03:39 * eythian notes that there's a large memory leak when you browse patrons by last name.
03:39 dcook Why yes, MARC. I totally want a code that could mean my record is either "an article in a single issue of a periodical, a chapter in a book, a band on a phonodisc, and a map on a single sheet that contains several maps."
03:39 eythian heh
03:40 eythian then you divide that space in half by setting an indicator on 123, but that might also mean that it's a robot service manual.
03:40 dcook lol
03:41 dcook Then you're exporting and that type isn't supported either
03:58 dcook I suppose in theory...if you have a leader position 7 of "a" or "b" could look up the parent via the 773 to see what leader position 6 it has...
03:58 dcook If it's "a", it probably should be a book chapter. If it's "s", it's probably a journal article.
03:58 dcook Given how "robust" that linking is, that sure makes sense.
04:00 mtompset eythian: What's the memory leak? Where?
04:00 eythian mtompset: I don't know. I'm exploring tools to help me find that kind of thing.
04:01 mtompset Well, lest I turn into a pumpkin, and in order to actually fit in my exercise regimen tomorrow. I shall leave now. :)
04:01 mtompset Have a great day, #koha eythian dcook wizzyrea. :)
04:01 dcook ta, mtompset
04:01 dcook I miss exercise...
04:06 dcook Just read through the RDA carrier, media, and content types...
04:06 dcook Not a journal article to be found
04:07 dcook Just "text"
04:08 dcook Hmm
04:08 dcook Apparently you can use the 336/337/338 fields with other vocabularies
04:09 dcook Although Dublin Core also provides the very helpful "text"
04:11 dcook
04:12 dcook This one has a term for baseball cards
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04:57 dcook "RIS is a simple plain-text reference format. It is nearly universally supported by reference management software and journal databases. The official specification was last updated in 2001, so reading the format is complicated by the frequent divergences from the specification."
04:58 dcook "frequent divergences"
04:58 dcook So much that
05:01 cait sounds like a standard
05:01 dcook hehe
05:01 dcook heya cait
05:02 dcook Thomson Reuters claims to have updated the 'standard' in 2008/2009
05:02 dcook But I tell ya...looking at a range of RIS citations...they're highly variable across the board
05:02 dcook Even the documentation itself has lots of holes
05:02 cait :(
05:02 cait what do you need it for?
05:04 dcook Oh, I'm just looking at improving the RIS export, so I'm looking at how others are exporting with it
05:05 dcook Added a bit to make it export a TY of "JOUR" instead of "BOOK" if it has a leader position 07 of "a" or "b"
05:05 dcook Of course, that isn't a great options, as the record might be for a book chapter or something else, but...we make the assumption in other parts of Koha that it is a journal article,'s internally consistent at least
05:06 dcook Can't really blame Koha there. MARC really doesn't give enough information.
05:08 cait hm it can
05:08 cait i think, there is serial component part and monographic component part
05:08 cait in one of the fixed length fields... i always forget where
05:08 cait ldr?
05:09 dcook Nah, I don't think it means what it sounds like it means.
05:10 dcook FOr instance, the monographic component part can refer to "an article in a single issue of a periodical, a chapter in a book, a band on a phonodisc, and a map on a single sheet that contains several maps."
05:10 dcook The serial component part "is a regularly appearing column or feature in a periodical."
05:13 dcook But it's more likely to catalogue articles in a journal than chapters in a book, I suspect, so we get away with the assumption in the end.
05:14 dcook There are lots of clues in a record that can make a human realize it is a journal article or a book chapter, but they're often ruled by different vocabularies in different languages and it presents a bit of an overall nightmare
05:15 dcook Well, classification nightmare :p
05:15 dcook I won't actually be losing sleep over this one
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05:25 cait hm
05:25 cait interesting
05:25 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
05:25 cait we don't use it like that
05:26 cait we use it like it sounds, which makes things a bit easier :)
05:27 dcook I would certainly hope so :)
05:28 dcook If cataloguing and programming have taught me anything over the past few years, it's that nothing is perfect.
05:29 cait well at least i think we use it like that... why is marc so complicated again?
05:29 dcook Very good question...
05:35 cait brb
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07:13 * magnuse waves
07:16 * cait waves back
07:22 * magnuse waves back too
07:25 cait that will get an indefinite loop if we are not careful now
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07:34 reiveune hello
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07:46 fridolin hie all
07:46 magnuse bonjour reiveune et fridolin
07:46 fridolin bonjour magnuse
07:46 reiveune salut magnuse
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07:49 alex_a bonjour
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07:55 magnuse fridolin: is there a 3.14.5 right around the corner?
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07:59 fridolin magnuse: yep, today
07:59 fridolin yesterday I was busy in marseille
08:00 magnuse fridolin: very cool!
08:01 fridolin since our college laurent is back, i will have more time for RM. I've subscribe to maintain it after 3.16 release
08:10 nlegrand1 hiya #koha!
08:10 nlegrand1 ho
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08:16 huginn GERMS!!!!
08:16 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
08:16 cait wahanui, this is getting old :)
08:16 wahanui ...but this is the dawning of the age of Aquarius....
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08:25 nlegrand o/ cait
08:27 cait hi nlegrand
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08:31 gaetan_B hello
08:31 wahanui hey, gaetan_B
08:43 cait dpavlin++ ashimema++
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08:44 ashimema cait.. your too quick
08:44 ashimema ;)
08:44 cait hm?
08:44 ashimema within 30 seconds of me signing off you'd commented here..
08:45 ashimema very impressive response time ;)
08:45 cait ah, just coincidence
08:45 ashimema lol
08:45 ashimema I really, really want to tidy the Auth_with file... it's horrible to try and read
08:47 cait understandable
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09:01 magnuse hiya petter
09:05 petter hei magnus!
09:06 ashimema morning all
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09:13 atheia Morning koha!
09:13 magnuse g'day ashimema and atheia
09:14 cait morning atheia :)
09:25 cait logs
09:25 cait logs?
09:25 wahanui well, logs is
10:24 gerundio good morning
10:25 gerundio where can I get more information about OpenSearch and RSS in Koha?
10:25 gerundio I only found this[…]supported_by_Koha
10:26 gerundio but there's nothing written about those 2
10:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #24: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.14.x/24/
10:27 jenkins_koha * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 11352: fix unexpected data loss issues with batch patron deletion/anonymization
10:27 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11018: allow adding order from a reverted MARC batch
10:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11352 critical, P3, ---, abl, Pushed to Stable , Batch Patron Deletion/Anonmyzation deletes more than warning states it will delete
10:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11018 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Add order from a reverted file
10:28 gerundio regarding RSS I see that opac-search can show results by using argument format=rss2
10:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #25 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
10:28 gerundio is there any documentation that details the available arguments for
10:58 cait gerundio: there are one or 2 system prefrences related to rss i think
10:59 cait not sure about more documentation
11:00 gerundio cait, just numSearchRSSResults
11:02 gerundio which would you say is the better way to provide results from our Koha installation for an aggregator, Z39.50 server?
11:03 cait probably easie
11:03 cait or SRU
11:03 cait and you get all the informaton on ar ecord
11:03 ashimema sru is nice
11:03 cait i can imagine the rss only has some of the data from the record
11:05 fridolin gmcharlt: as release maintainer, when pushing to 3.14.x, I set the BZ to "pushed to stable". Do I have to set also the "Version" combobox to 3.14 ?
11:07 magnuse and Z39.50 and SRU gives you more structured data than rss, i think
11:08 cait fridolin: probably too early for gmcharlt :)
11:09 cait i thin in the past we left it
11:09 cait but you still might want to check with him
11:09 cait I'd read it as the version the patch went into first, I think
11:15 gerundio I can't find much information regarding Z39.50 server and SRU usage in Koha either
11:15 cait i think you have to activate during installation and then it mostly just works
11:15 cait I haven't used it so far, just know that my coworker is very fond of Koha's SRU
11:16 gerundio I see some comments on koha-conf.xml
11:16 fridolin thanks cait
11:17 gerundio but can't quite figure it out
11:18 cait
11:19 gerundio I've read that too
11:20 gerundio so basically I have to open a new port, 9999 in the examples, and configure a new vhost for that, right?
11:20 cait i found this
11:20 cait To enable public Z39.50/SRU servers, you'll need to edit your koha-conf.xml and
11:20 cait change the <listen> options to listen on a TCP port; then restart the zebra daemon.
11:20 cait i think you don't need to change your apache config
11:21 cait hm or maybe this could be helpful:[…]nuary/022288.html
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11:23 gerundio thanks cait, add that page opened in a browser tab too :D
11:23 gerundio cait++
11:23 gerundio had ^^
11:36 gerundio cait, fyi, just uncommenting the two blocks in koha-conf.xml worked out fine
11:36 gerundio thanks for all the help
11:37 cait sure, glad it works
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12:09 francharb morning
12:11 cait morning francharb
12:12 francharb o/ cait
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12:15 oleonard Hi #koha
12:22 cait hi oleonard :)
12:33 gaetan_B bye
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12:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #25: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.14.x/25/
12:42 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 11476: remove extra empty option from title pull-down in OPAC self-registration
12:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11476 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Opac self registration title pull down offers 2 empty options
12:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #26 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
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13:27 rhcl @wunder 64507
13:27 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is -3.2°C (8:20 AM CDT on March 25, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Rising).
13:28 rhcl @wunder minot, nd
13:28 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Why Not Minot, Minot, North Dakota is -13.7°C (8:21 AM CDT on March 25, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -17.0°C. Windchill: -14.0°C. Pressure: 30.40 in 1029 hPa (Steady).
13:32 magnuse @wunder boo
13:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (2:20 PM CET on March 25, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
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13:52 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
13:52 magnuse hiya mtompset
13:53 mtompset Greetings, magnuse.
13:54 oleonard Anyone know off the top of their heads how the patron self-registration feature chooses the next cardnumber to generate?
13:55 mtompset I should know this...
13:56 mtompset There's a function at the end of a C4 library...
13:56 mtompset that calls it...
13:57 mtompset AddMember_Opac
13:58 mtompset fixup_cardnumber?
13:58 wahanui fixup_cardnumber is probably okay, but it does no locking... and a second process could grab the same calculated number before AddMember is called.
13:58 mtompset Hmm... just reading code segments outloud. :)
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14:00 oleonard Patron self registration seems to be creating incorrect passwords in master. I can't log in as the newly created patron using the password it shows me.
14:01 mtompset oleonard: Did you check the length of the password field in the database structure?
14:01 oleonard Why would I need to?
14:01 mtompset We roll our own, and I accidently skipped that upgrade.
14:02 mtompset and if the length is too short the hash gets cut off.
14:03 mtompset That broke one of our in-house enhancements. This is why I know about that. :)
14:03 oleonard Do you recall which update changed it?
14:04 mtompset The one that changed the password from MD5 to something else.
14:04 oleonard Bug 9611
14:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, RESOLVED FIXED, Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt
14:12 mtompset Was that the problem, oleonard?
14:14 oleonard Yes
14:16 cait oleonard-away: hm it did work for me when i tested recently on master
14:18 * mtompset cheers.
14:25 mtompset Greetings, cait.
14:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #26: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.14.x/26/
14:26 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 11473 - Fix log viewer template conditions
14:26 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 11473 - Remove boilerplate in log viewer template
14:26 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 11473 - Improve wording in log viewer template
14:26 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 11473 - add 'biblio' and 'item' to cataloguing logging info
14:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11473 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , View log template has malformed conditionals, and logging info incorrect/inconsistent/unexpected
14:26 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11473: (follow-up) ensure link to item is construct correctly
14:26 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11329: Check for MARC record existence in opac-showmarc
14:26 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11329: Check for MARC record existence in catalogue/showmarc
14:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11329 trivial, P5 - low, ---,, Pushed to Stable , Check for marc record in opac-showmarc
14:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #27 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
14:30 talljoy back
14:33 mtompset cait: Less is more. re 11846. :)
14:34 mtompset It makes testing harder, when you fix history.
14:35 mtompset It's all in comment 2. :)
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14:56 mtompset How do you disbar someone again?
14:57 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11701: Fix C4::Context::Zconn <[…]5142826658cb4dd05> / Bug 11701: (follow-up) move unit tests to t/db_dependent <[…]6ccd54f05b8246d0a> / Bug 11701: Unit tests for C4::Context::Zconn <[…]itdiff;h=fed353ed
15:01 mtompset Ah... okay, there.
15:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11939: set active currency for non-English sample data <[…]5520976695cb99412> / Bug 11939: set active currency when using English sample data <[…]2856215a9b7d3b9f8>
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16:01 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #395: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/395/
16:01 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 11701: Unit tests for C4::Context::Zconn
16:01 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11701: (follow-up) move unit tests to t/db_dependent
16:01 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 11701: Fix C4::Context::Zconn
16:01 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11701 normal, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Fix C4::Context::Zconn
16:06 mtompset YAY! I love to see patches I signed off make it into master. :)
16:07 jenkins_koha Starting build #396 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #27: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.14.x/27/
16:11 bag morning y'all
16:12 bag magnuse HI
16:12 cait morning bag
16:12 bag good morning cait
16:12 mtompset Afternoon, bag. :P
16:12 bag any peanut butter cups left?
16:12 bag I have the little chocolate bunny still intact on my desk :)
16:12 cait some peanut butter cups still left :)
16:12 bag I want to break my record this year.  maybe 6 months this time until I eat it
16:13 cait but the number is going down too fast
16:13 bag let it age for a little git
16:13 cait heh
16:13 cait not sure if aging chocolate is really a thing
16:13 bag well next yeah I'll bring two bags :)
16:13 cait they mostly seemto advertise fresh chocolate... :)
16:13 cait ooh yum.
16:13 bag cait: maybe I'll start a new fad with aging chocolate
16:13 cait but they would be really heavy
16:13 cait bag: might be :)
16:14 cait i am trying to stick to a 5 each day rule... but it's not always working out
16:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #1670 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:14 bag HA that's a great goal cait
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16:30 bag morning nengard
16:30 nengard good afternoon :)
16:30 nengard nearly
16:30 bag ah it's 0930 here
16:36 reiveune bye
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16:39 mtompset bag, I figured. It's a timezone thing. It's 12:39 here now.
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16:41 oleonard it's 12:40 here now. Updates will continue as the situation progresses.
16:55 cait < someone wants a zebra mug? :)
16:59 mtompset So they can smash it in frustration? ;)
16:59 cait i was waiting for a comment like that :)
17:06 mtompset cait: Glad to oblige. :)
17:07 oleonard Get a Zebra onesie for your baby because babies too are confounding to configure correctly.
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17:08 jcamins ::snrrk::
17:08 jcamins oleonard++
17:09 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #396: SUCCESS in 1 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/396/
17:09 jenkins_koha * Zeno Tajoli: Bug 11939: set active currency when using English sample data
17:09 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11939: set active currency for non-English sample data
17:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11939 minor, P5 - low, ---, z.tajoli, Pushed to Master , Sample of currencies with a working active value
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18:20 cait hi #koha
18:23 pianohacker hi cait!
18:23 cait hm someon any idea why a ubuntu would suddenly stop playing any kind of sound?
18:23 cait hi pianohacker :)
18:23 pianohacker because you're in space!
18:24 cait got my message?
18:24 pianohacker cait: yup, just need to figure out a good time
18:24 cait yep
18:25 cait good time would be good :)
18:25 cait i am travelling from monday to wednesday next week
18:25 pianohacker cait: kk, what times (UTC) are you available for testing?
18:26 cait it depends
18:26 cait do we need a debian or can we make it work in ubuntu?
18:26 * magnuse gives his evening wave
18:26 cait by magnuse
18:26 cait bye
18:29 mtompset because you cross boot to mint? I'm not sure.
18:29 cait ?
18:29 magnuse hiya cait
18:29 * magnuse is coming, not leaving
18:31 mtompset you said you had a sound problem, cait.
18:31 cait oh
18:31 mtompset I recall some colleagues of mine who dual boot with mint had some issue like that.
18:32 magnuse cait: are you sure the sound is turned on?
18:32 cait magnuse: ...
18:32 cait pianohacker: still there? did you see my question? :)
18:33 jcamins cait: you might try restarting the audio daemon (pulseaudio?).
18:33 cait how? :)
18:33 magnuse kick it
18:34 jcamins magnuse: I almost said "kick pulseaudio," but I thought "restart" was a bit more clear.
18:34 jcamins And I have no idea.
18:34 jcamins I'd probably do `ps ax` and then start kill -HUP'ing things.
18:34 pianohacker llllllllllll
18:34 pianohacker woopsie
18:34 cait jcamins: you confuse me :)
18:35 magnuse there goes pianohacker's favourite password...
18:35 pianohacker hahahahaha
18:35 jcamins cait: I'd look for something that looked audio related, and kill -HUP those processes until the sound started working.
18:35 pianohacker cait: debian would probably be far easier
18:35 cait i already restarted the laptop twice since it stopped working... which worries me a bit
18:35 cait once the irc client mae a beep and that's it
18:35 pianohacker magnuse: You remember hackfest, it would be something more like llllllllllllllllllllll
18:36 cait pianohacker: the problem is, I have too much work for one week
18:36 magnuse ah, that's all right then :-)
18:36 magnuse yeah, they should make weeks longer
18:36 cait we might have to push it to thursday/friday next week and then i am gone for 2 weeks vacation
18:37 pianohacker cait: just bring your laptop on your vacation
18:37 cait that's ubuntu :)
18:40 cait pianohacker: so it's ubuntu or harder to find a date
18:40 pianohacker right...
18:40 pianohacker cait: I think we can make it work, we just need time and coffee
18:40 pianohacker let's try for ubuntu
18:40 cait I have to drink coffeee???
18:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1670: SUCCESS in 2 hr 29 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1670/
18:41 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 11701: Unit tests for C4::Context::Zconn
18:41 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11701: (follow-up) move unit tests to t/db_dependent
18:41 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 11701: Fix C4::Context::Zconn
18:41 jenkins_koha * Zeno Tajoli: Bug 11939: set active currency when using English sample data
18:41 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11939: set active currency for non-English sample data
18:41 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11701 normal, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Fix C4::Context::Zconn
18:41 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11939 minor, P5 - low, ---, z.tajoli, Pushed to Master , Sample of currencies with a working active value
18:42 cait jcamins: i can't find anything and what i killed didn't bring it back
18:44 jcamins cait: huh. Restarting audio-related processes always worked for me.
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18:47 cait jcamins: probably didn#t find the right one?
18:48 * cait hope sit will repair itself
18:48 Brooke o/
18:48 jcamins If you restart, all the daemons will be restarted.
18:48 pianohacker cait: if you try to listen to something, does pactl list clients show anything?
18:48 cait let me try
18:48 cait jcamins: i did restart twice...
18:48 cait the problem started this morning, i rebootet and then shut it down until i came back tonight
18:49 cait pianohacker: will try
18:49 jcamins Ah. What changed?
18:49 cait nooo idea
18:50 rangi magnuse: you about?
18:50 cait pianohacker: want me to paste? it does show banshee
18:51 cait which should be playing music right now...
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18:51 pianohacker cait: nah, just wanted to make sure it had banshee
18:52 pianohacker cait: Try installing pavucontrol and running it, it's amazingly useful for stuff like this
18:53 magnuse rangi: yup
18:54 rangi so, cait says something about magnuse something something ebook something something
18:54 pianohacker OverDrive? :D
18:55 magnuse hah!
18:55 cait pianohacker: the microphone shows a lot of action... and that's about it
18:56 pianohacker bug 11978
18:56 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11978 major, P1 - high, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , OverDrive API now prepends http:// to URLs
18:56 pianohacker because telling devs about API updates is boring!
18:56 magnuse yeah, devs need something to do all day long, right?
18:57 magnuse hmmm, where did my LICENSE file go?
18:57 pianohacker Yeah, before I was just sitting around all day farting around learning new vim commands
18:58 pianohacker but now I have something to do!
18:59 rangi oooh sweet
19:00 magnuse pianohacker: see, all for the best
19:01 magnuse pianohacker: if you have non-DRM ePub files it might come in handy
19:01 magnuse s/pianohacker/rangi/
19:01 rangi *nod*
19:01 magnuse what is i nmy got repo is only half of it, though. there is a html5 reader that is not on github yet
19:02 rangi goes handy with my idea that libaries should be publishers of ebooks too
19:02 rangi now they have a delivery mechanism too
19:02 rangi topic switch
19:02 rangi anyone know anything about dell xps ultrabooks?
19:02 pianohacker magnuse++
19:03 pianohacker that's really cool
19:03 magnuse rangi: you can get them with ubuntu?
19:03 rangi i doubt it
19:03 rangi but ill try
19:03 rangi i mean you can in the US
19:03 rangi the xps 13
19:04 rangi
19:04 rangi but i dunno if you can here
19:04 magnuse i think you can get it in norway now
19:04 pianohacker good lord, a dell actually worth buying
19:05 rangi however i will be in the US in late april
19:05 rangi so im thinking i might get one shipped there and just fly it back
19:06 pianohacker customs won't complain too much?
19:06 rangi if i stick it an a laptop bag, and slap some stickers on it
19:06 rangi they wouldnt even know
19:06 magnuse i bought a dell latitude 13 that was supposed to come with ubuntu preinstalled. it came without an os and no trace of ubuntu. after i compleined on twitter they sent me a cd with a 2 years old ubuntu version, and the laptop did not have a cd drive
19:06 rangi ahh that doesnt sound so great
19:07 rangi pianohacker: do dell have stores in the US? or is it all online now
19:07 magnuse (i had installed the latest and greatest long before the cd arrived of course, but i wanted them to deliver on their promise, sort of)
19:07 pianohacker rangi: I haven't seen a dell store, but a microsoft store *might* have one
19:08 rangi unlikely to have a linux one tho eh
19:08 pianohacker well, yeah :)
19:09 rangi might be fun to go ask though
19:10 rangi oh yeah system76
19:10 rangi[…]l-store-locations
19:10 rangi apparently they do
19:10 rangi but ibeardslee just gave me a better idea
19:10 pianohacker oh?
19:10 rangi but now i have to take the kids to school
19:11 mtompset rangi: Why not
19:11 rangi
19:11 rangi yeah
19:11 rangi that
19:11 rangi bbiab
19:15 * oleonard would definitely look at laptops built for Ubuntu after the trouble he's had with his formerly-Windows-based one.
19:19 * magnuse wanders off
19:21 bag I heard my name laptop bag :P
19:21 pianohacker we're going to stuff a laptop inside you and smuggle you into NZ
19:21 pianohacker won't hurt a bit
19:26 Brooke he's natural material
19:26 Brooke the beagles would eat him for breakfast.
19:30 * Dyrcona likes his Galago Ultra Pro from System76.
19:30 oleonard I updated and expanded the DataTables guide on the wiki:[…]/DataTables_HowTo
19:31 Brooke oleonard++
19:31 Brooke that page is purty like.
19:31 Brooke and informative
19:33 cait interesting
19:33 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
19:33 cait pianohacker: headphones work
19:34 cait oleonard++
19:34 cait oleonard: ashimema will be happy
19:35 oleonard He inspired me by pointing out how inadequate it was
19:37 pianohacker cait: try checking the output tab in pavucontrol
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19:48 smeagol Has anyone seen this error? I'm stumped...the installer is trapped in a loop. Update report : •Status: 500 •Content-type: text/html • •<h1>Software error:</h1> •<pre>DBD::mysql::db do failed: Error on rename of './koha/patronimage' to './koha/#sql2-6d9-4fc' (errno: 152) at /home/koha/kohaclone/installer​/data/mysql/ line 7243. •</pre> •<p> •For help, please send mail to the webmaster (<a href="mailto:webmaster@mtplbywaterkoha
19:48 smeagol thanks
19:50 cait pianohacker: nothing obvious
19:58 rangi back
19:59 rangi Dyrcona: the trick is seeing if i can get one delivered to my hotel in atlanta ... or maybe i could ask ESI if i could get it shipped there and pick it up when im in atlanta
19:59 rangi that might work
19:59 cait :)
19:59 Dyrcona :)
20:00 bag oh that would work :)
20:01 bag don't deliver it to pianohacker though - you may get the weirdest keyboard layout back
20:01 cait heh
20:01 bag a custom pianohacked keyboard
20:01 cait a piano keyboard? :)
20:02 pianohacker hell yeah
20:02 bag rangi: do you just use a default keyboard layout?  or ....
20:03 pianohacker I'll give you a keyboard with n-key rollover! Then you can use the open source steno software I'm learning! >:)
20:03 bag thanks to pianohacker I am so fascinated by this idea - never occurred to me to not just use a USqwerty board
20:04 rangi i use maori keyboard, which is pretty much USqwerty
20:05 pianohacker bag: it's a really deep rabbit hole
20:05 pianohacker and I can't seem to stop falling
20:06 bag rangi: you heard of pianohacker's setup?  it's pretty rad but I'm feeling like an old dog :P
20:09 * ibeardslee just wishes non-legacy OS based laptops were easier to get in NZ.
20:09 jcamins pianohacker: what steno software are you learning? This sounds fascinating.
20:10 bag right jcamins - pianohacker is the most interesting man in the world
20:10 bag and sometimes he drinks tequila
20:10 pianohacker I almost have that accent down...
20:10 pianohacker jcamins: Plover. Supports linux, windows and mac, you just need a keyboard that can tell when 12 or so keys are pressed
20:11 jcamins I'd love to be able to type faster. I already type about twice as fast as I can think.
20:11 pianohacker relevant video:
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20:12 cait ibeardslee: not sure the situation in germany would be better...
20:16 rangi ibeardslee:
20:16 rangi im looking at this
20:17 ibeardslee urgle .. the CDO in me has an issue with the trackpad not centred on the spacebar ;)
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20:17 oleonard rangi: Will the primary purpose of the laptop be browsing pictures of charming chalets?
20:17 cait heh
20:18 Dyrcona heh.
20:20 rangi heh
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20:57 cait bag++ :)
20:57 bag cait++
20:58 cait i had a good reason, what's your excuse? :)
20:59 * cait goes to look up affable
21:00 pianohacker uh oh
21:00 pianohacker bag: consistently gets a laugh? *nervous grin*
21:01 * pianohacker is getting the stink eye from bag so shuts up for the moment
21:04 jcamins 369, [1] p.
21:05 jcamins Erm. Wrong window.
21:05 wizzyrea heh
21:05 cait lol
21:11 cait but still... looks very nicely catalogued
21:13 jcamins Thanks.
21:22 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
21:35 eythian hi
21:35 wahanui privet, eythian
21:36 magnuse bag: HI
21:37 bag magnuse: hi there buddy
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21:43 pianohacker magnuse! you got a second? Have an idea to bounce off of you
22:05 dcook Man...I'm glad I've taken to leaving my computer on. This scrollback is fascinating :p
22:06 pianohacker hahahahaha
22:22 bag heh
22:22 bag well lovely conversations today eh?
22:22 bag heya eythian - how goes it today
22:23 eythian hello. Not bad. Ran through much of the staff client on plack yesterday, found no explosions, and only a couple of things that really do need looked into.
22:25 rangi eythian: id still like a nicer solution for zconn
22:25 rangi using yaz-proxy or something
22:25 bag ah sweet
22:25 rangi if there is space on the list :(
22:25 rangi :) even
22:26 pianohacker rangi: is the issue that zebra connections are kept beyond their useful life?
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22:29 rangi zebra (and z3950 the protocol) is designed to be single use, you connect do something get some results, and disconnect
22:29 rangi we try to reuse connections in koha
22:29 rangi the reason it works under cgi, is they die when the perl dies
22:30 rangi soon as you run them under plack, the connection times out, and we do some trickery trying to test for that, badly, so we try to reuse the same connection
22:30 rangi so you randomly get searches that appear to the user to have no results
22:30 pianohacker ahh, makes sense
22:30 rangi refresh, you get results
22:31 eythian rangi: yeah, we should look into yaz-proxy. It's possible it's pretty easy to add to package deployments or something.
22:31 rangi *nod*
22:31 rangi pianohacker: hence yaz-proxy, which does connection pooling etc for you
22:31 pianohacker makes sense
22:31 pianohacker or pazpar2
22:31 rangi LOC use it in front of their voyager
22:31 rangi pazpar2 doesnt speak pqf
22:31 eythian We should also make it so that koha doesn't say "no results", it says "search engine broken" or something. No results is a bit misleading.
22:31 rangi (at least i dont think it does)
22:32 rangi yeah
22:32 * dcook is a fan of this "search engine broken" idea
22:32 cait heh
22:32 cait i am a fan of never seeing that? :)
22:32 rangi yeah, real error messages are better than silent fails
22:32 dcook True. I rather know when it's broken though :)
22:33 cait :)
22:33 dcook (The 'though' was for before rangi spoke :P)
22:35 pianohacker rangi: looks like you're right. That's annoying... was hoping to only have to add pazpar2
22:35 pianohacker since bug 10486 and bug 11559 both use it anyway
22:35 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC
22:35 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Professional cataloger's interface
22:36 rangi pianohacker: yeah
22:38 pianohacker there's even a ccl->pqf converter that it doesn't look like you can disable
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23:57 bag bye #koha catch you's all tomorrow
23:57 bag or maybe later tonight
23:58 eythian bye

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