IRC log for #koha, 2014-03-26

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00:00 pianohacker document.f.submit();
00:00 pianohacker return true;
00:00 pianohacker hi middle click
00:00 eythian could have been worse. could have been hunter2
00:01 pianohacker *******?
00:02 eythian that's what I said.
00:03 pianohacker oh, thank goodness I don't use that password anymore
00:03 pianohacker ************
00:03 pianohacker woops
00:13 eythian[…]ources/0553568159 <-- this could be a useful thing to link to from records.
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00:59 wizzyrea ohhhhh that's neat!
01:00 * wizzyrea imagines a map with the search results plotted
01:01 wizzyrea which is actually something else that just popped into my mind, related but not.
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04:25 mtj wow, thats very handy for koha   :)
04:28 eythian hrm, setting sysprefs doesn't seem to clear the syspref cache at all.
04:28 eythian That's problematic.
04:28 eythian I guess it makes sense in a CGI world.
04:29 * eythian is thinking of putting a 30 second timer onto the syspref cache if you're running under plack.
04:31 mtj hiya eythian
04:34 eythian howdy
04:34 wahanui hola, eythian
04:34 mtj i'm still trying to understand that weird bug
04:36 mtj i am thinking to myself, why not wipe, then recache the table, after any syspref change?
04:37 mtj that would fix the bug, without the need for any timing code?
04:40 eythian mtj: that wouldn't work when you have multiple processes.
04:40 eythian This is an in-process cache, not memcache or similar.
04:41 eythian it seems that sysprefs don't go into memcache.
04:41 eythian I might make them do that too if it's available.
04:41 mtj aaah ok.. yeah, i was assuming memcache
04:42 mtj woah… i though sysprefs were memcached too :/
04:43 eythian yeah, me too
04:44 eythian it'd be fairly fast, it wouldn't even need serialisation.
04:46 mtj hmm, they sure dont look like they are cached, from the code
04:46 eythian yeah, they just go into that little hash.
04:46 eythian I'm thinking of refactoring that area a bit so that there's a Koha::SystemPreferences module and all things go through that.
04:47 eythian it shouldn't be too hard.
04:47 mtj i wonder if folks thought that mysql did a decent enuff job of caching the prefs, and didnt bother
04:48 eythian well, the hash would have worked perfectly fine for CGI
04:48 eythian but it fails when you have persistence.
04:49 mtj yeah, i see that
04:53 mtj eythian,  you get plack to not cache in-process, and always fetch from memcache?
04:54 eythian yeah, but memcache isn't always available, so I'd like to handle that nicely too.
04:54 mtj ok, and yes :)
05:12 wajasu maybe have a way to turn off memcache of sysprefs so when testing, and changing  sysprefs, one gets changes immediately.
05:14 eythian Memcache shouldn't be a problem, I'll make it clear. However doing that for an internal cache is a problem for the same reason that caching internally is a problem anyway: we have no way to signal to other workers to turn off the cache (sort of setting something in koha-conf.)
05:14 eythian *short of...
05:24 eythian wajasu: popcorn is also <reply>[…]NJCNrpornZlXe.png
05:24 wahanui okay, eythian.
05:29 wajasu if you have a way to set the timeout for the cached data (ie koha-conf.xml) for 0 or 1 second, that would be helpful enough.
05:29 wajasu you call.
05:30 eythian it could certainly be done, but it'd probably be a followup.
05:30 wajasu yeah.
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05:32 eythian it'd make more sense to just disable it actually, you could do that on a staging site or similar.
05:33 eythian hello cait
05:35 * wajasu just finally figured out i needed to add a z:index to the xsl so i can get  Z> element zebra;:facet::Title:0   Z> f @attr 1=1003 Gianfranco    working.
05:35 dcook wajasu: Follow the instructions I posteed
05:35 * wajasu yay!
05:35 wajasu i did.
05:35 eythian wajasu: css selectors is
05:36 dcook Also follow Tomas's instructions
05:36 dcook As in, add the index to the XML and then convert that over into the XSL
05:36 dcook In any case, glad you got it working :)
05:36 eythian wahanui: css selectors is
05:36 wahanui i already had it that way, eythian.
05:36 eythian oh
05:37 eythian wajasu: your name is too close to wahanui :)
05:39 wajasu dcook: the missing knowledge was the fact that I hadd to add  z:index to a stylesheet.  you guys already add that knowledge, but i was flying blind. a greenhorn in all that stuff.
05:44 wajasu dcook: thanks for all the patience/help on that facet stuff.  i ended up learning all about zebra, reading the source code as well since i got stuck.
05:44 * cait waves
05:45 dcook No worries. Zebra is a bit of an intimidating beast at first, and this facet stuff has puzzled folks for years, so it feels pretty good to have sorted out a lot of it now.
05:45 dcook heya cait :)
05:45 dcook On an unrelated note, there's a Diablo III expansion? O_o
05:46 eythian oh good, we need more zebra experts. I know very little about it myself.
05:47 eythian maybe we need a "get your feet wet with zebra" wiki page, that covers the basics of how it works.
05:47 wajasu well i wonder if we should make all zebra config "managed" as a syspref, and we generate teh configs on the fly, so we can choose what to facet and limits.
05:48 eythian some parts of it could be worthwhile, though my bar for sysprefs is usually "would it be useful for a librarian to modify this"
05:49 wajasu or just vote on the set of facets we really need and config that set, driven by koha-conf.xml.
05:49 dcook eythian: Possibly. Configurable facets could be handy.
05:49 eythian it could be
05:49 dcook That said...
05:50 dcook It'll be a limited configurability
05:50 dcook Since each index we want to use with facets needs to have a ":0" index in the Zebra config
05:51 wajasu i could write a Koha::Config::Zebra class that gives most of what we offer, and write out the configurable files in a "root" for zebra.
05:51 dcook eythian: Probably a good idea to have a "get your feet wet with zebra" wiki page. I wonder if anyone took notes from when gmcharlt gave a talk on Zebra at kohacon13
05:52 dcook Hmm...maybe wajasu.
05:53 dcook Given that rangi and eythian have been working on ElasticSearch, it might not hurt to wait on this one
05:53 eythian zebra will be around for a while yet I suspect.
05:53 wajasu sure would be worth a try because of the headaches supporting complex configs.  but of course we would have an unmanaged mode for extreme
05:53 dcook I imagine but it would be good to have something a bit abstract/pluggable
05:55 cait dcook: not sure elastic search will be for everyone
05:56 dcook You're probably right. I suppose I just wish that we coupled things a bit more loosely in Koha.
05:58 wajasu i wish we could decouple as well.  it would let folks supply alternative implementations, even as KohaPlugins.
06:00 wajasu we need an API that is like a message ESB (ike apache camel).  i wanted to just write an adapter using stomp to send/receive messages to Apache Camel, so folks could get Solr, and all those services.
06:02 wajasu
06:03 wajasu and once the message adapter was in place we could call
06:07 wajasu all i know is, i can't wait to use plack/psgi  to test, with a nice preconfigured debugging setup.
06:08 * wajasu gnight.
06:08 eythian later
06:08 eythian wajasu: there is a script that makes it a lot easier.
06:11 eythian bug 11998 in case anyone is interested.
06:11 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11998 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Syspref caching issues
06:31 dcook I think I'm out. Gym time maybe.
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07:02 * magnuse waves
07:02 dcook hey  magnuse
07:02 * dcook lied before when he said that he was leaving..
07:05 magnuse dcook: there is no escape!
07:07 dcook Nope. I think I'll probably die here.
07:08 * cait thinks that would not be good
07:08 dcook I'm not too keen on the dying myself
07:09 dcook kivilahtio++
07:09 dcook Love the format of these bug reports
07:09 dcook So easy to read
07:10 dcook Well, maybe not easy to read, but I like the formatting!
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07:16 dcook I might not be testing patches, but maybe my feedback will count for something
07:18 dcook I'm starting to wonder a bit about all the patches in Bugzilla...
07:18 dcook I don't feed back all my work to the community for two reasons
07:18 dcook 1) I don't have the time
07:18 dcook 2) Not all the work I do is relevant to the community. It might be a local customization that isn't relevant for other users of Koha
07:19 dcook I suppose it makes a certain amount of sense to submit everything though and the useful can be sorted from the not useful by the community...
07:19 rangi exactly, no one knows what others are doing, or if the code will be useful if they never see it
07:21 dcook True
07:21 dcook Yet, I sometimes think that there is this expectation that once you submit a patch, it has to go in
07:21 dcook No, that's not what I mean...
07:21 dcook Rather...there is an expectation that everything "should" go in
07:21 rangi right
07:22 rangi thats a flawed expectation
07:22 dcook Totally
07:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #182 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #179 2 days 2 hr ago)
07:30 * cait agrees
07:30 cait also communicating things while they are being developed... not once it's all done would be good
07:30 magnuse rangi: talking of bugs, maybe there should be a bug for the ncip work you are doing?
07:34 cait now you scared him away ;)
07:34 magnuse oh noes
07:34 cait i have to go to work... later :)
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07:34 * magnuse did not mean to do that
07:35 rangi magnuse: no
07:35 rangi its not part of koha
07:35 rangi no plan to bundle it like SIP and have it become ILS dependent
07:36 rangi its a sep repo, sep project
07:37 * dcook likes the sound of that
07:39 magnuse hm, my persepctive is some someone researching koha and wondering about ncip support. they might look at the documentation and bugzilla, and they will have no clue that anything is happening
07:39 magnuse and btw, i'm all for it being a separate project!
07:40 magnuse sweet as
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07:40 rangi someone can make a bug if they want, it just will sit there and never get closed
07:41 dcook magnuse: Perhaps a wiki page?
07:41 * dcook has been on a bug closing rampage at work lately, so quite anti-bugs that are needlessly open
07:45 magnuse the ncip work will not affect even a single line of koha code?
07:45 magnuse yeah, a wiki page might be good
07:45 rangi magnuse: no
07:45 rangi not one single line
07:46 magnuse very cool :-)
07:47 dcook Ok. Giving in and getting food. Night all.
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07:49 reiveune hello
07:49 alex_a bonjour
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07:55 magnuse have fun dcook
07:55 magnuse bonjour france!
07:56 sophie_m hello magnuse :-)
07:57 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #182: STILL UNSTABLE in 30 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.12.x/182/
07:57 jenkins_koha * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 11352: fix unexpected data loss issues with batch patron deletion/anonymization
07:57 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11329: Check for MARC record existence in opac-showmarc
07:57 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11329: Check for MARC record existence in catalogue/showmarc
07:57 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11352 critical, P3, ---, abl, Pushed to Stable , Batch Patron Deletion/Anonmyzation deletes more than warning states it will delete
07:57 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11329 trivial, P5 - low, ---,, Pushed to Stable , Check for marc record in opac-showmarc
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08:03 huginn GERMS!!!!
08:03 wahanui germs is, like,
08:03 cait hmpf
08:03 cait good morning #koha :)
08:05 magnuse hiya cait
08:21 ashimema the scrollback today is hilarious..
08:22 ashimema and I have no issues with being the 'affable brit' in your stories pianohacker ;)
08:22 ashimema morning #koha
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08:47 cait morning ashimema :)
08:48 ashimema hi cait
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08:51 kivilahtio dpavlin: ping ping!  I have a question about plack and starman specifically.
08:52 kivilahtio dpavlin: I am looking into enabling https / SSL on starman, but I am getting pretty mixed reviews. Do you have an opinion?
08:53 kivilahtio or would Plack::Handler::Apache2 be better for SSL?
08:58 rangi id just put nginx doing ssl in front, and proxy to starman
08:58 rangi it will be a ton faster, then starman can listen on localhost only
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08:59 ashimema ;) you beat me to it rangi
09:00 ashimema back on a laptop yet?
09:02 rangi nope ordered one tho, picking it up when im in the us next month
09:03 ashimema ooh.. system76 by any chance ;)
09:03 rangi yep
09:03 ashimema wish we could get them here.
09:03 ashimema I pretty much always end up getting a windows mechine and nuking windows as my first thing..
09:03 ashimema feels very wastful
09:04 cait kivilahtio: dpavlin is not really here, email is working better for him
09:04 kivilahtio cait: thanks :D
09:08 * magnuse found a norwegian shop that sells laptops sans os:
09:09 kivilahtio cait: just sent a very formal letter to him :)
09:11 cait kivilahtio: you saw what rangi said?
09:12 kivilahtio nope :)
09:12 kivilahtio but this is a quite common case
09:12 kivilahtio rangi: I just don't feel very comfortable using two web servers
09:12 rangi you should be anyway
09:13 rangi because you shouldnt be serving static content with starman
09:13 kivilahtio rangi: so it actually is a good idea performance wise?
09:13 rangi yes
09:13 kivilahtio erm but does Koha have static content?
09:13 kivilahtio silly question
09:13 rangi of course it does
09:13 rangi you knew that eh
09:14 kivilahtio not sure what you mean with static context
09:14 kivilahtio most of the stuff is pulled from the db
09:14 kivilahtio dynamically created
09:14 kivilahtio even the start pages
09:14 rangi not the css files, or the js, or all the images
09:14 kivilahtio rangi: that's true
09:15 kivilahtio hmm
09:15 rangi nginx will deliver them magnitudes faster than starman
09:15 kivilahtio well ok, configure nginx to proxy .psgi requests to starman
09:15 rangi yes
09:16 kivilahtio thanks :D
09:16 kivilahtio you made me a happy boy!
09:16 rangi except they will be /cgi-bin/koha/ requests
09:16 kivilahtio if one is not using plack?
09:16 rangi nginx will also do ssl faster than starman, and faster than apache too
09:16 kivilahtio yeah I have heard of this super awesome nginx
09:16 rangi no its still /cgi-bin/koha
09:17 rangi even under plack
09:17 kivilahtio but I find it hard to believe it could do better than apache2, which is quite tested?
09:17 rangi well it does
09:17 kivilahtio do you know why?
09:17 rangi yes
09:17 ashimema haha
09:17 kivilahtio :)
09:17 rangi apache2 is old and bloated
09:17 kivilahtio I can sign that off
09:18 rangi theres tons of literature on this already
09:18 kivilahtio ok ok
09:18 ashimema indeed there is.
09:18 kivilahtio don't tell me the short version
09:18 kivilahtio well you kinda did already :)
09:18 kivilahtio "short version".minified
09:18 ashimema at some point i'll finish splitting out the nginx + plack bug as I intended..
09:19 kivilahtio but that is awfull lot of thread hanging around. One thread for nginx, one for starman
09:19 kivilahtio with apache2 you have the worker threads, with nginx you have worker threads and with starman
09:19 kivilahtio but I guess it's ok
09:20 rangi nginx doesnt use threads
09:20 rangi thats its main point of difference
09:21 kivilahtio ok, I'll go read a book
09:21 kivilahtio rangi: Thanks for the guidance
09:22 rangi right time for sleep
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09:22 ashimema sleep well rangi
09:23 cait sleep well
09:24 kivilahtio rangi: good night!
09:24 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, kivilahtio.
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10:35 nlegrand hiya!
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11:06 cait hi nlegrand
11:51 ashimema @later tell oleonard I may need a few more pointers on using classes with datatables sorts when your back
11:51 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded.
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12:13 Joubu ashimema: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ruary/040301.html ?
12:14 ashimema Indeed.. problem is when I try to use classes instead of integers my sorting breaks ;)
12:16 ashimema { "asSorting": ["desc", "asc"], "aTargets" : [ "desc" ] }
12:16 ashimema inside the "aoColumnDefs" block
12:17 ashimema anywho.. I'll get there in the end I'm sure.
12:17 ashimema thanks for the pointer though.
12:19 Joubu ashimema: I can take a look if you have a patch somewhere.
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12:43 barton morning, all!
12:45 barton can someone explain the mechanics of how and when unsent notices generated by are sent via email or output to a file?
12:45 barton morning jessem
12:45 JesseM Morning
12:48 barton I have a partner who wants to autoatically generate formfeeds in the file. Nengard has instructions on how to do that by hand, but he doesn't want that.
12:48 magnuse barton: have a look at[…]43d6c7bc7;hb=HEAD
12:49 barton magnuse: yeah, I looked at that -- all it does is call C4::Letters::SendQueuedMessages( { verbose => $verbose, username => $username, password => $password, method => $method } );
12:50 barton And yes, I did look in C4/
12:50 barton ;-)
12:57 sophie_m barton: it's misc/cronjob/ that is doing the job
12:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #28: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.14.x/28/
12:58 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Tranlation updates for 3.14.05 release
12:58 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Update release notes for 3.14.5 release
12:58 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Increment version for 3.14.5 release
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13:09 ashimema Joubu: thanks for the offer but I think i've gotten to the bottom of the issue now.. It was two things.. A messed up tidy operation that left in a bad class..
13:09 ashimema and I think DataTables doesn't support what I wanted t do either.
13:11 ashimema to my reading the 'aaSorting' param cannot be used in combination with class identifiers.
13:11 ashimema instead you now use 'asSorting', but this doesn't allow choosing which column is the default sort upon initial load
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13:13 oleonard ashimema: I think you can add a class to define initial sort
13:13 ashimema :).. I've not found that yet.
13:13 * oleonard thinks he saw an example of that in the templates yesterday
13:15 ashimema hmm.. on second look.. it does appear to be sorting by the column I want it to upon initialisation.. it's just ignoring my request to sort descending instead of ascending.
13:16 francharb hi
13:28 ashimema ack..
13:28 oleonard ashimema: The thing I was thinking of is in in the bootstrap theme
13:29 oleonard Starting at line 638
13:29 oleonard It's not exactly a built-in feature, but that part of the script looks for a class on a header cell to determine the default sort
13:30 oleonard I had to do it that way in that case because so many preferences affect the columns on that page.
13:30 ashimema of course..
13:30 ashimema that makes sense
13:30 ashimema it's a bit of a hack.. ut it makes sense
13:31 oleonard It's not a hack, it's clever ;)
13:32 ashimema So wasn't wrong that datatables aaSorting doesn't allow class as a selector..
13:32 ashimema your work around for that is clever
13:32 ashimema :)
13:32 ashimema thanks
13:32 oleonard I assume I stole the trick from someone else :)
13:34 ashimema beautiful..
13:34 ashimema that's much better.
13:35 ashimema edi messages are now readable ;)
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14:36 bag good morning
14:37 bag heya ashimema - how's things - guess I got in early enough to catch you one of these days
14:38 ashimema :) Good morning bag.
14:38 ashimema I'm good, been hacking at edi today..
14:38 ashimema just squashing commit now for a submission :)
14:38 ashimema how are you?
14:38 bag HA I've already answered 2 emails about that this morning for Baker and Taylor :P
14:39 bag tired
14:39 ashimema wow.. it just started snowing here.. that was unexpected
14:39 bag @wunder 93102
14:39 huginn bag: The current temperature in Westside (Gillespie), Santa Barbara, California is 13.3°C (7:39 AM PDT on March 26, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
14:39 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk
14:39 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Monkswood, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 2.9°C (2:39 PM GMT on March 26, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
14:40 bag and very cool ashimema I'm looking forward to seeing those squashed commits :)
14:41 ashimema it'll be nice to get at least one promise off the pile :)
14:46 barton oleonard: quick template question: es-ES/includes/ is using rather than -- do you know if there's a bug open on that? (couldn't find anyting obvious in bugzilla, but I'm bad for that)
14:47 oleonard barton: Sounds like that set of templates needs to be rebuilt?
14:49 * barton doesn't know how templates are built in the first place...
14:49 oleonard Koha ships with just the English templates, and then the translations are built from those.
14:49 barton mm. I see.
14:50 oleonard misc/translator
14:50 oleonard perl translate install es-ES
14:50 oleonard ...or... perl translate update es-ES
14:51 barton oleonard++
14:52 barton Is that something that needs to happen after every update?
14:53 oleonard Yes
14:53 barton Good to know.
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15:18 cait barton: it will lead to weird things if you forget... i have been there many many times
15:18 cait barton: you absolutely want to update the templates after every koha update :)
15:21 mtompset Greetings, #koha cait barton
15:22 cait hi mtompset
15:25 barton hi mtompset
15:30 bag barton any luck?
15:30 bag heya cait!!!  I'm enjoying a reese's peanut butter cup right now :)
15:31 cait :)
15:31 cait i have 6 left...
15:31 cait so sad
15:32 bag so sad
15:32 cait :)
15:32 bag 6 left = 6 days?
15:32 bag or 2 days?
15:32 cait ah i think tomorrow
15:32 bag heh
15:32 cait trying to stay away from them today, because we go for sushi later...
15:33 cait and they have matcha icecream
15:33 bag that sounds like a good idea for foodz today
15:39 ashimema your making me hungry guys
15:40 barton bag, oleonard: 'perl translate update es-ES' didn't update es-ES/includes/
15:40 barton I actually ran "perl translate -v update es-ES"
15:41 barton which shows From: /home/koha/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/ ... The update seems to be successful.
15:41 barton but ...
15:41 barton -rw-r--r-- 1 koha koha 2553 Dec 27  2012 /home/koha/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/opac-tm​pl/prog/es-ES/includes/
15:42 barton running this as the koha user...
15:42 cait barton: you need install
15:42 cait update is for updating the po files to get the new strings from master
15:42 barton aha.
15:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #183 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #179 2 days 10 hr ago)
15:43 bag aha!
15:43 bag thanks cait
15:43 bag barton it was something easy
15:43 barton yeah, *fixing* it is always the easy part ;-)
15:44 barton thank god for #koha.
15:46 barton that worked perfectly!
15:46 barton cait++
15:46 barton bag++
15:47 bag barton++
15:49 barton and kudos to whoever added i18n to Koha -- good choice of technology.
15:53 mtompset Speaking of hungry. It's almost lunch. :)
15:53 mtompset Greetings, ashimema. :)
15:53 ashimema :)
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16:11 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
16:11 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
16:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #183: FIXED in 29 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.12.x/183/
16:11 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Fixing typo in updatedatabase
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16:18 gaetan_B hmmm rates and currencies seem a little bit unclear in the manual
16:18 gaetan_B if my currency is the us dollar
16:18 gaetan_B with a rate of 1
16:18 gaetan_B i would expect the rate of the pound to be what 1 dollar will give you in pounds
16:19 gaetan_B so roughly 0.5
16:19 gaetan_B but the example in the manual seems to indicate otherwise
16:19 mtompset link?
16:19 wahanui link is, like, broken. Also, we don't know what tools you're using to create the marc, but there is probably an option in that tool
16:19 cait gaetan_B: i think i would think the same
16:19 cait and it hink it should work like that - maybe just the values are outdated on the screenshot?
16:20 gaetan_B so the rate would be what 1 pound gives you in dollars ? so what 1 unit of the currency you are looking at will give you in the currency currently set with a rate of 1 ?
16:20 gaetan_B i don't think 1 dollar has ever been two pounds
16:20 gaetan_B but maybe
16:20 mtompset gaetan_B: However, the rates and exchanges table have no direct link to reality. ;)
16:20 gaetan_B indeed
16:20 cait gaetan_B: i normally do: 1 EUR in GBP in google and use that value :)
16:21 mtompset What was that bug report... *searches* It just made master.
16:21 cait you could do a quick test to make sure
16:21 gaetan_B i also think this would be what makes sense
16:21 gaetan_B maybe it's just the screen shot
16:21 gaetan_B is the only way to test it to create an order ?
16:22 mtompset bug 11939
16:22 cait hm i think so
16:22 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11939 minor, P5 - low, ---, z.tajoli, Pushed to Master , Sample of currencies with a working active value
16:23 mtompset I put an attachment on there that is a script of how to grab values from Yahoo! finance, and generate the default currency values.
16:23 mtompset You, of course, have to copy manually, because there is no direct link between language and default currency.
16:24 mtompset However, cait said on that bug that there's not likely a need to have the same default currencies in every currency file.
16:24 gaetan_B probably not indeed
16:25 mtompset but if you wanted to, the script is there. :)
16:26 mtompset That lists the values currently in the table, you change the URL accordingly. :)
16:33 wajasu jcamins: after adding the z:index ???:0 xml to the biblio-koha-indexdefs.xsl   for all the existing places that have Subject:p  Title:p  holdingbranch:p  and regenerating the other biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl, i was successful in getting facets working with dom/ICU
16:34 * mtompset cheers. :)
16:35 wajasu jcamins: if we do such a thing to support facets, should we add corresponding :0 entries to record.abs for the grs world?
16:35 mtompset Didn't we announce GRS was being deprecated?
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16:38 wajasu yes, i just was to be sure if its OK to diverge the dom stuff, and leave maintaining GRS related configs behind.  i'm not sure if all that cql2pqf converter and the ability to use diffferent querytypes using yaz-client is worht preserving.
16:38 jcamins wajasu: of course we should. Deprecated != broken.
16:39 wajasu thats what I thought.  debugging this stuff would be a real pain down the line.
16:39 mtompset It does if you want to encourage people to using DOM. ;)
16:40 jcamins No worse than debugging any other Zebra configuration.
16:40 mtompset It's no different than the logic required to upgrade Koha to a newer version, because it was fixed in that.
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16:50 gmcharlt @later tell oleonard I have been completely unable to reproduce the issue you originally reported in bug 11702 - I'd appreciate confirmation that this is an issue for you (without applying the QA follow-up for bug 11694) and if it is, details of your testing environment, including MySQL version
16:50 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
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16:56 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11694: [QA Followup] strip out time portion when setting suspension date for... <[…]33481c403b8c2c193> / Bug 11694: Improve handling of individual hold suspension in Bootstrap OPAC <[…]56b75f8e39c0aeeed>
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17:00 mtompset Didn't oleonard recently do a patch related to renamed branch to library in a huge bunch of template files?
17:11 kivilahtio thanks everyone!
17:12 kivilahtio I made nginx + SSL + starman + Plack happen!
17:12 kivilahtio IT is so cool!
17:12 kivilahtio take care and see u tomorrow!
17:13 gmcharlt kivilahtio++
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17:39 gaetan_B bye
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18:05 mtompset @seen oleonard
18:05 huginn mtompset: oleonard was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 12 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <oleonard> Yes
18:13 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #397: SUCCESS in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/397/
18:13 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11694: Improve handling of individual hold suspension in Bootstrap OPAC
18:13 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11694: [QA Followup] strip out time portion when setting suspension date for individual hold
18:14 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11694 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Improve handling of individual hold suspension in Bootstrap OPAC
18:16 talljoy ack
18:17 talljoy oops...back
18:18 magnuse welcome back talljoy
18:18 talljoy thanks magnuse
18:30 rangi morning
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18:45 * wajasu indexing my production database with new facet :0 support
19:02 rhcl I have just discovered an unopened bottle of Lemon Perrier in the staff refrigerator, which I shall now commence drinking.
19:02 rhcl Vive le peuple français!
19:03 rhcl <if google got that right>
19:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1671: SUCCESS in 2 hr 17 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1671/
19:14 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11694: Improve handling of individual hold suspension in Bootstrap OPAC
19:14 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11694: [QA Followup] strip out time portion when setting suspension date for individual hold
19:14 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11694 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Improve handling of individual hold suspension in Bootstrap OPAC
19:19 magnuse success! \o/
19:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #398 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11806 - Use validation plugin when creating new OAI set <[…]a23bb5b389d1704e7> / Bug 11877 - Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .live() method <[…]ce4a806c3cdebd2bd>
19:31 barton I have a library that recently upgraded from 3.04 (!!) to 3.12.x. They have a custom script called '' that queries against 'resrves.printed'. That field has been removed -- can anyone tell me if there is some other way of determining whether information about a hold has been printed or otherwise sent to the library?
19:34 bag hmm barton perhaps you could find the bug in bugzilla and then see what that was replaced with?
19:34 bag or maybe look in the message_queue
19:35 barton bag: nod -- I was sort of thinking about the message queue.
19:35 magnuse bag: HI
19:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11738: Use new DataTables include in batch patron modification template <[…]e1b8a57c2f8e9e202> / Bug 11878 - Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .toggle() method usage <[…]b9c7720b482f26eba>
19:35 bag magnuse: HI
19:35 wahanui hey, bag
19:36 magnuse :-)
19:36 edveal Does anyone in hear use B&T content cafe for cover art?
19:36 gmcharlt barton: I suspect that reserves.printed was also a local customization
19:36 gmcharlt at first glance, there's no sign that it was in Koha proper
19:36 barton gmcharlt -- that wouldn't surprise me.
19:36 bag ah that's probably it gmcharlt
19:37 barton The library in question had a *lot* of local customization.
19:37 bag yes barton they did do some weird local customizations
19:37 bag :P  jinx
19:37 * barton feels very jinxed.
19:38 * gmcharlt hands barton a Wand of Standardization +1
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19:39 mjkerpan hey there. i just moved my koha databases to a new database using dump/restore
19:39 barton Oh, I'll need at least a +4 for these folks. They have an enchanted helmet of density with a THAC0 of 19.
19:39 gmcharlt barton++
19:40 mjkerpan now the opac comes up on port 80 as down for maintenance and the admin interface on 8080 is invisible to the lan
19:40 mjkerpan what gives
19:40 gmcharlt mjkerpan: one thing to check is that koha-conf.xml is pointing to the new database
19:41 jcamins mjkerpan: at a guess, you need to tell Apache to listen on port 8080.
19:41 gmcharlt another thing to check is that the Apache config is (pace jcamins listening on port 8080) and if relevant to your setup, that ServerName and/or ServerAlias match the name you're using
19:42 gmcharlt gah
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19:42 * gmcharlt hides face in shame for misusing "pace"
19:42 jcamins Also, you might want to run koha-upgrade-schema, since you've restored into a newer version of Koha.
19:42 mjkerpan ok
19:43 cait ?
19:43 cait hi all
19:43 gmcharlt hi cait
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19:45 cait hi gmcharlt
19:45 cait that was an interesting comment to come online to :)
19:45 gmcharlt I timed it especially for you ;)
19:48 magnuse hm, is there any reason why there would be more encoding issues under plack than with the "normal" setup?
19:49 * barton envisions gmcharlt abusing a bottle of: pace picante salsa
19:49 * cait is confused :)
19:51 barton cait: gmcharlt hides face in shame for misusing "pace" -- This may be a regional thing -- there's a hot sauce called 'pace' around here.
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19:51 cait oh
19:51 cait it makes a little more sense now
19:52 barton that, and I threw in an extra ':' as a typo, just for good measure :-)
19:52 * gmcharlt was referring to the expression borrowed from Latin, actually
19:52 gmcharlt
19:53 * barton ? add:s ex-tra ?? punctuation. #$for *fun.
19:53 jcamins barton: wait, let me guess... you're a Perl programmer?
19:54 mjkerpan hmm. now it sees it but it doesn't know my old password
19:54 jcamins mjkerpan: if you didn't run koha-upgrade-schema, you have to use the system user to run the update.
19:55 barton jcamins -- them is *sigils* dammit!
19:55 mjkerpan now i have to find them
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19:55 jcamins mjkerpan: that's why I suggest using koha-upgrade-schema.
19:55 barton jcamins. Yes, why do you aks?
19:55 barton s/aks/ask/
19:56 jcamins barton: no one but a Perl programmer would use that much punctuation.
19:56 jcamins Ah...
19:56 jcamins except an APL programmer, but none of your punctuation requires a separate keyboard.
19:56 barton jcamins, nope. 7 bit ascii for me.
19:59 mjkerpan that worked. thanks.
20:00 mjkerpan our organziation's treasurer will be happy as he can now have his gaming box back niow that we have a rweal server
20:01 magnuse whoever decided on the norwegian keyboard layout was *not* a perl programmer, i can tell you that
20:01 mjkerpan hnow to continue the eternal cataloging project. in 6 months, i've done about 1000 out of our 15000 items
20:02 magnuse mjkerpan: sounds like you have something to do the next 7 years, then ;-)
20:02 gmcharlt mjkerpan: or you need to get busy on making some clones
20:02 mjkerpan i need minions.\
20:02 mjkerpan anyway go to go. someone else needs the machine
20:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11671 - Restructure patron lists add form for improved usability <[…]4e0768ebc64b41fd2>
20:09 pastebot "wajasu" at pasted "example yaz-client facet search" (138 lines) at
20:09 wajasu just for reference ^^^
20:12 magnuse wajasu++
20:14 wajasu thanks to dcook, tcohen, mtompset, jcamin, etc I finally got  the knowledge needed.
20:16 wajasu the trick will be coding pluggable inteface/api so later elastic search folks can leverage the desired facets and map accordingly.
20:21 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #398: SUCCESS in 56 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/398/
20:21 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11877 - Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .live() method
20:21 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11806 - Use validation plugin when creating new OAI set
20:21 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11877 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .live() method
20:21 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use validation plugin when creating new OAI set
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20:25 magnuse gah, koha uncer plack does not pick up the installed languages?
20:26 cait oh?
20:26 cait hm could it be the syspref caching that eythan was investigating?
20:27 magnuse if i run "sudo koha-translate -i nb-NO" it says nb-NO is already installed, but on the I18N syspref tab only en is listed
20:27 magnuse i restarted koha/plack and that did not change anything
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20:28 cait magnuse: is it in the database?
20:28 magnuse should it be in the database? where?
20:32 wajasu i did a less /usr/sbin/koha-translate and the  bourne shell script doesn't really talk perl.  just runs commands to generate translation in /usr/share/koha/misc/translator
20:33 wajasu koha_translate --list   shows installed po files.
20:33 cait magnuse: the language cods should be in the prefs
20:34 cait magnuse: look for language?
20:35 magnuse the database has language : sv-SE,en
20:35 magnuse and opaclanguages : sv-SE,en,fr-FR,de-DE,es-ES,ar-Arab
20:36 magnuse but only en is shown for those two prefs in the web ui
20:37 cait hm still suspecting caching soomehow
20:37 cait jcamins: sysprefs + plack problems?
20:37 wajasu you could restart mysql.
20:37 gmcharlt memcached would be a better bet
20:38 magnuse restarted mysql and memcached, no change
20:40 jcamins Restarting Plack would've fixed it.
20:40 jcamins cait: if you see eythian talking about syspref caching, you might point out that there's already a way to disable it.
20:41 cait jcamins: i think he intnds on fixing it
20:41 cait he filed a bug
20:42 magnuse i did kill off the plack processes and start them again, but that did not change anything either
20:45 magnuse bug 12002 - if anyone can set it to WORKSFORME that would be nice :-)
20:45 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12002 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Koha does not pick up installed languages when running under Plack
20:47 magnuse hylte public library in sweden is now all set to test koha under plack in production for one day - tomorrow will be interesting :-)
20:47 * magnuse needs some sleep
20:47 wajasu so are TT templates cached?  in template cache dir?
20:49 magnuse wajasu: yup, looks like it
20:50 gmcharlt rangi: bug 11906
20:50 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11906 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Bad display of utf-8 chars in Patron lists (Datatable)
20:50 wajasu probably look at  C4/Languages getTranslatedLanguges  for how it read/pushed to template.
20:55 rangi gmcharlt: hmmm?
20:55 gmcharlt a couple patches I'd like you to lok at
20:57 wajasu i think we should create some sort of koha command shell.  ie.   kohash    koha> rebuild index biblio  etc.    and call Koha modules.
20:57 rangi ah right
20:57 gmcharlt wajasu: what would that gain us over koha-rebuild-zebra and other such scripts?
20:58 rangi hmm one of the patches is for 12001 .. is that intentional?
20:58 rangi or should i renumber that when signing off?
20:59 gmcharlt gah
20:59 wajasu just having one central command script that would setup Koha::Context,  db, etc and allow new command to be added/supported/tested.
20:59 gmcharlt both patches are for 11906
21:00 rangi sweet, ill amend the commit message when signing off
21:00 gmcharlt thanks
21:00 gmcharlt wajasu: as opposed to, say, koha-shell?
21:01 rangi yeah, thats what koha-shell does
21:01 gmcharlt to be clear, I'm not trying to be too combative, but you seem to be proposing something that already exists
21:01 gmcharlt I may be mistaken in that perception, of course
21:01 wajasu now i see it. learning.
21:02 wajasu haven't used it yet.
21:02 cait wajasu: there is a koha shell when you use packages...
21:02 cait ah my scrolling is broken again
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21:03 wajasu that seems to be in the spirit of what i was wanting :)
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21:03 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:03 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 4.0°C (10:00 PM CET on March 26, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
21:03 cait brr
21:03 wajasu but more of a prompt like yaz-client.
21:05 rhcl @wunder 64507
21:05 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 14.2°C (4:00 PM CDT on March 26, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 7 PM CDT this evening...
21:06 jatara @wunder 75025
21:06 huginn jatara: The current temperature in Independence/Hedgcoxe, Plano, Texas is 11.6°C (4:06 PM CDT on March 26, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
21:06 rhcl What, we're warmer than TX? What's going on down there?
21:07 gmcharlt @wunder 98199
21:07 huginn gmcharlt: The current temperature in Magnolia - MaxHome, Seattle, Washington is 10.3°C (2:07 PM PDT on March 26, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.55 in 1000 hPa (Falling).
21:07 rangi @wunder nzwn
21:07 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
21:07 wajasu @wunder 33308
21:07 huginn wajasu: The current temperature in Lake Ridge, Fort Lauderdale, Florida is 19.6°C (5:06 PM EDT on March 26, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Steady). High rip current risk in effect through Thursday evening...
21:07 jatara @wunder 21212
21:07 huginn jatara: The current temperature in Towson Weather, Towson, Maryland is 1.5°C (5:07 PM EDT on March 26, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
21:08 jatara It's raining in TX, so that's part of it.
21:08 rhcl "High rip current risk" - don't see that much
21:10 jatara I am fascinated by the endless cold weather of the DMV area ... it's like the weather is holding a serious grudge.
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21:15 eythian hi
21:17 eythian wajasu: we already have a prompt we can use for that kind of thing. Often it's bash.
21:18 wajasu :)
21:18 wajasu woo bash completion
21:32 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #399: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/399/
21:32 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11878 - Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .toggle() method usage
21:32 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11738: Use new DataTables include in batch patron modification template
21:32 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11671 - Restructure patron lists add form for improved usability
21:32 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11878 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .toggle() method usage
21:32 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11738 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in batch patron modification template
21:32 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11671 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Restructure patron lists add form for improved usability
21:38 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
21:43 rangi gmcharlt: signed off now
21:43 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1672: UNSTABLE in 2 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1672/
21:43 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11877 - Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .live() method
21:43 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11806 - Use validation plugin when creating new OAI set
21:43 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11878 - Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .toggle() method usage
21:43 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11738: Use new DataTables include in batch patron modification template
21:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11877 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .live() method
21:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use validation plugin when creating new OAI set
21:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11878 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .toggle() method usage
21:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11738 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in batch patron modification template
21:43 gmcharlt rangi: thanks
21:44 wajasu bug 11944 seems like a beast to test.
21:44 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
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21:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #467: SUCCESS in 6 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/467/
21:44 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update delete images with permission
21:45 eythian > This bug report will try to fix all UTF-8 problems once and forever!
21:45 eythian seems hopeful :)
21:47 wajasu it seems like we should   a) do a release, b) apply those patches, and c) run in master for some time before a release.  especially the 10Kb patch
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22:54 * eythian notes that you can change the type and description of a syspref from the staff client if you construct a custom request.
22:54 * eythian fixes this.
22:58 cait ew
23:03 * eythian wonders if C4::Context should write to the log when a syspref is updated, or if whatever calls it should.
23:03 eythian Right now it's the latter, but that doesn't seem the best to me.
23:07 eythian I think I'll move it to C4::Context->set_preference
23:07 eythian otherwise it's copy-paste code.
23:08 * dcook thought the type and description of sysprefs came from the .pref files
23:08 dcook And that the database was actually ignored except for local use prefs
23:09 eythian The type is used for some things, like how to convert it when saving, and things like that.
23:09 eythian I think mostly it's meaningless though.
23:09 dcook It should be used for presentation as well, no?
23:09 cait we still have local use sysprefs
23:10 dcook Yeah, we have heaps of local use sysprefs. Just throwing it out there though :)
23:10 eythian yeah
23:10 dcook Alas, I think today is a DSpace day...
23:10 * dcook goes back to the shadows
23:10 eythian it's more a thing that shouldn't really be possible, but is.
23:13 * eythian listens to some nice German electronic music for the afternoon.
23:16 * dcook enjoys his Scottish post-rock. Just when he thinks he's heard enough, he finds another gem from another album.
23:17 eythian that's always good.
23:19 cait :)
23:27 eythian rats, I need to make a both plackified and gitified installation.
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