IRC log for #koha, 2014-03-27

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00:08 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
00:08 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
00:08 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1673: FIXED in 2 hr 22 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1673/
00:08 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 11671 - Restructure patron lists add form for improved usability
00:08 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11671 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Restructure patron lists add form for improved usability
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01:02 wizzyrea syspref changes are tracked in the actionlogs
01:03 wizzyrea eythian^
01:04 wizzyrea oh nm that wasn't your question
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01:23 jmsasse Hello community.
01:24 wizzyrea sup sasse
01:25 jmsasse A great thawing. Not fast enough but it's a start.
01:27 jmsasse If someone adds a block to a bz item, what does that mean.
01:30 jmsasse Also, has gmcharlt announced feature and string freeze dates yet?
01:30 jmsasse Foe 3.16, that is.
01:31 rangi if its blocks, that mean the patches on the other bug depend on this one
01:31 rangi if its depends, it depends on the patches from another bug
01:36 jmsasse OK, thanks rangi.
01:47 jmsasse rangi, got a minute to discuss permissions?
01:50 bag hola jmsasse and mr rangi
01:50 bag permissions jmsasse ?
01:50 eythian hey bag
01:51 bag you eythian - great day to you dood
01:51 bag yo* even :P
01:51 jmsasse hello bag
01:52 jmsasse bag, 3.14 seems to have introduced some redundancy in staff permissions.
01:54 jmsasse set permissions (permissions) vs. (staffaccess)
01:54 jmsasse these appear to do the same thing.
01:58 bag I think they do - do seperate things - like one allows you to even log into the staff side and the other allows you to be able to set staff permissions
02:02 wizzyrea ^
02:03 wizzyrea anybody heard of extreme slowness related to the new restrictions engine?
02:03 bag yes wizzyrea
02:03 wahanui wizzyrea is, like, silly
02:03 wizzyrea is there a bug?
02:03 wizzyrea also hi bag ;)
02:03 bag we saw it pop up last week
02:03 bag and we're still trying to test it
02:03 bag larryb spottted it
02:03 wizzyrea 3.14.04?
02:03 bag I don't know it he created the ticket yet
02:04 bag yes ma'am 3.14.04
02:04 wizzyrea bother.
02:04 wizzyrea thank you :)
02:04 bag like 30+ seconds for those with restrictions
02:04 dcook "new restrictions engine"?
02:04 wizzyrea yeah it's quite extreme
02:04 wizzyrea must be something new in 04 though
02:04 wizzyrea I don't think it was happening in 03
02:04 wizzyrea so that's useful
02:05 bag wizzyrea: it you create the bug - I'll alert larryb to it and maybe he can add some of his findings
02:07 jmsasse I'm looking at demos of 3.14.01, 3.15, and my 3.12.10 and seeing very different things in set permissions.
02:08 jmsasse yeah, what is the "new restrictions engine"?
02:10 wizzyrea the way restrictions on borrowers are handled is different now, you can now have multiple restrictions, with user defined reasons.
02:20 dcook "is jerk"
02:20 dcook I like it :D
02:21 dcook Too bad about the slow down :(
02:26 rangi how do we have a new feature in a maintenance release?
02:29 rangi ah no, that came in in 3.14.0 the multiple debarred thing?
02:34 jmsasse Is marijuana legal in NZ?
02:34 rangi no
02:34 wizzyrea yep, regarding the multiple debarred
02:34 wizzyrea was in 3.14.0 but seems like it's just gotten slow in .04
02:35 wizzyrea the only thing that seems remotely relevant are new indexes on the borrowers table
02:35 wizzyrea but...
02:35 bag we've seen the same thing as wizzyrea
02:35 jmsasse Those boys in Colorado are serving up some serious buds.
02:36 jmsasse I saw a documentary.
02:36 jmsasse Just sayin'
02:37 rangi run the query with explain, it will tell you
02:38 wizzyrea ^ was my next step
02:38 rangi normally new indexes dont slow down selects tho, just updates/inserts
02:39 jmsasse Um, I'm hoping next months bywater update is not to 3.14.04
02:41 jmsasse :-)
02:45 rangi wizzyrea: the indexes were added in 3.14.3 ?
02:50 bag jmsasse: it will be 3.14.5
02:50 bag hopefully
02:52 rangi I suspect it has the same issue, as it was released yesterday
02:53 bag yup
02:53 bag the good thing is that not many are "using"the double restriction yet
02:54 bag so we've only got a very small sample - very small of the problem
02:54 bag larry's got a bunch of notes on it
02:54 bag I'm seeing if I can find them now
02:54 bag but he lost internet for most of today...  so he was out of commision
02:55 wizzyrea oh stink for him.
02:56 wizzyrea well we have at least 2 instances of it now
02:58 jmsasse (putting on my serious hat) staff patron permissions are a big deal
02:59 jmsasse IndependentBranches syspref is too restrictive
02:59 dcook Couldn't agree more, jmsasse
03:00 wizzyrea @quote get 123
03:00 wahanui
03:00 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
03:01 bag is it just weird that quote is the most useful one and it's the easier to remember.... 123...
03:01 bag like rangi were you saving that - for the 123rd quote?
03:02 bag anyways worked out well :)
03:02 wizzyrea just lucky :)
03:02 wizzyrea @quote get 245
03:02 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #245: "<jcamins> Noooooooooooo!!!! wahanui! Cut down in the prime of life!" (added by gmcharlt at 11:07 PM, May 02, 2013)
03:02 wizzyrea @quote get 234
03:02 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #234: "<oleonard> I was just reading the logs because I didn't know where else to go to find out what to do with an extra half an avacado" (added by slef at 12:59 AM, March 01, 2013)
03:02 bag HA
03:03 bag @quote get max-num
03:03 huginn bag: Error: 'max-num' is not a valid id.
03:03 eythian @quote help
03:03 huginn eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
03:03 eythian @quote
03:03 huginn eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
03:03 eythian @quote get
03:03 huginn eythian: (quote get [<channel>] <id>) -- Gets the quote with id <id> from the quote database for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
03:03 dcook lol, love #234
03:03 * dcook wishes that his timezone was closer to oleonard's :(
03:04 dcook Or vice versa. Get to the west coast Leonards!
03:04 * dcook wishes that you could symlink geographic locations...
03:04 wizzyrea @quote help
03:04 huginn wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
03:04 wizzyrea hrmph.
03:05 bag @help quote
03:05 huginn bag: Error: There is no command "quote".
03:06 bag @quote get #bywater 12
03:06 huginn bag: Error: There is no Quote with id #12 in my database for #bywater.
03:06 bag :P
03:06 jmsasse I only live by Arnold quotes
03:09 dcook Hey, Benedict, or Schwarzenegger, jmsasse?
03:12 jmsasse The governor of California, of course
03:14 jmsasse "Conan, what is best in life?"
03:15 jmsasse "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women"
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03:22 jmsasse Words to live by, people, words to live by.
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05:27 dcook +ok($keycount2==0,'The YOLO framework does not exist.');
05:27 dcook mtompset (wherever you are): That is rather amusing
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06:04 cait bgkriegel++
06:04 eythian hi cait
06:04 cait hi eythian :)
06:04 cait still around?
06:08 eythian for now, just writing some emails before I go.
06:12 cait ah
06:12 cait so have anice evening :)
06:14 eythian will do, ta :)
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06:46 dcook Hmm, I think I just noticed a flaw in advance_notices
06:46 dcook Or the issues table
06:46 wahanui somebody said the issues table was not used on displaying item.
06:46 dcook or all the things
06:47 dcook By default, advance_notices shows "issue_date" :S
06:47 dcook You can change this to due_date, but if you're renewing an won't show lastrenewdate, it will show due_date
06:49 dcook Unless there is a bug and due_date should match lastrenewdate...
06:50 cait ?
06:50 cait lastreneweddate is the date of the renewal - do you mean that?
06:50 cait different from due date
06:50 dcook Wait, the numbers are merging
06:52 dcook You can ignore everything I just said :)
06:52 dcook Although advance_notice does default to issue_date when it should probably use due_date instead by default...
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07:12 dcook night all
07:12 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
07:12 dcook Uncle David is going to go enjoy his evening thinking up presents to send his nephew in America. Not sure a boomerang is infant appropriate, but I'm sure I'll think of something.
07:13 cait :)
07:13 cait cangaroo?
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07:16 * magnuse waves
07:20 magnuse bonjour sophie_m - you are early!
07:20 sophie_m hello magnuse
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07:21 sophie_m I'm not really there, I don't work on thursdays, but I connect to read after
07:22 magnuse ah, cool :-)
07:26 rangi evening
07:27 magnuse kia ora rangi
07:27 cait hi rangi
07:33 * magnuse wonders if the "use koha under plack for one day in production" experiment will blow up spectacularly or just silently succeed
07:35 rangi did you fix zconn ?
07:35 rangi searches will definitely randomly fail unless you have
07:36 rangi and you wont notice
07:36 rangi unless it fails for you
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07:36 rangi because it doesnt log the failure
07:36 rangi just says no results found
07:40 magnuse ah no, i did not do that, yet
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07:40 reiveune hello
07:40 wahanui hi, reiveune
07:41 rangi eythian found a couple more bugs, but thats about the nastiest one
07:42 magnuse known bugs > unknown bugs
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07:57 alex_a bonjour
08:04 magnuse rangi: i forget - is it this patch?[…]86e253cb4dfe04597
08:05 rangi yep
08:06 rangi thats a slapdash  fix
08:07 magnuse ...and it's really just commenting stuff out?
08:07 rangi yep
08:07 rangi so that it makes a new connection for each search
08:07 magnuse ah yes, you said it reconnect for each search
08:07 * magnuse seems to remember now :-)
08:07 rangi (which is what happends under cgi anyway)
08:08 magnuse yeah
08:08 magnuse and it fixes both intranet and opac, since it is in C4/
08:08 rangi yep
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08:11 fridolin hie all
08:11 magnuse bonjour fridolin
08:12 fridolin hie magnuse
08:12 fridolin nice weather here in Nîmes, blue sky
08:13 magnuse @wunder nimes
08:13 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
08:13 magnuse @wunder nimes, france
08:13 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
08:13 magnuse @wunder boo
08:13 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (8:50 AM CET on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady).
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08:18 huginn GERMS!!!!
08:18 wahanui i heard germs was
08:20 magnuse kia ora cait and paul_p
08:20 cait hi magnuse and paul_p
08:20 magnuse rangi: and if the zconn fails you will just get 0 hits? i think i saw that once yesterday
08:20 rangi exactly
08:23 cait bug 8908
08:23 wahanui bug 8908 is where I reported it, but I don't see a patch.
08:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8908 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Starman/Plack hangs when faced with zombie Zebra
08:23 cait is that the bug?
08:23 magnuse hm, is that the same thing?
08:23 magnuse i don't think so
08:25 cait i don't knwo :)
08:25 cait i just fell over it
08:25 magnuse rangi?
08:25 magnuse hehe
08:28 rangi nope
08:28 rangi different bug
08:29 cait something for eythian maybe?
08:29 magnuse ah
08:29 rangi this doesnt leave the browser spinning
08:30 rangi and it doesnt need a zombie process
08:34 magnuse as far as i can see there is no bug for the zconn thing
08:34 * magnuse will report one
08:38 magnuse bug 12005
08:38 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12005 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Zebra searches sometimes fail silently under Plack
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08:51 ashimema plack testing is really moving again now..
08:51 ashimema that's great to see
08:51 ashimema magnuse++
08:51 magnuse Viktor reports an "kCFErrorDomainCFNetwork error 303" error when he tries to access koha running under plack with safari on a mac. anyone else seen that?
08:52 * magnuse is trying to push plack support forwards
08:53 rangi does he get that message in the brwser, cos that sounds like a client side error
08:54 rangi and plack is behind a proper webserver like nginx or apache2 eh?
08:55 magnuse yeah, in the browser
08:55 * cait loves to see the cooperation on this and the zebra facets :)
08:55 cait andn ow... i have a meeting
08:55 magnuse the opac is baing proxied by apache
08:56 magnuse staff is not behind a webserver for this test
08:56 rangi yeah id never do that
08:56 rangi just fyi
08:57 magnuse yeah, this is sort of a quick and dirty test day, because they are desperate for more speed...
08:58 rangi where is the error coming from staff or public interface?
08:59 magnuse not sure, i've asked viktor to clarify
09:02 magnuse the main library opens now...
09:06 rangi good luck .. if you get more network type errors i would put the staff side behind a webserver
09:06 * rangi is going to sleep
09:07 magnuse i'll remember that advice - sleep well!
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09:15 atheia Morning koha!
09:26 magnuse hiya atheia
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09:54 magnuse opl doing cool stuff: powered by rdf
10:01 cait hi ateh
10:01 cait hi atheia even
10:01 atheia :-)
10:01 atheia good morning
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10:03 gaetan_B hello
10:03 gaetan_B in marc21, the biblionumber is linked to 999$c, but according to the standard it should be in field 001
10:03 gaetan_B is it a problem to change this setting ?
10:05 cait yes
10:05 gaetan_B hm
10:05 cait well it might work, but it might blow up badly
10:05 gaetan_B so a library that want sto have this consistent has to enter it manually in 001 i guess
10:05 cait and you'd have to change the index as well
10:05 gaetan_B changing the index would be ok
10:05 gaetan_B but i am afraid of the blow up :D
10:05 cait and for us it would not work - because we have a 001 from the union catalog
10:06 cait that could be moved around... but not a quick and easy thing
10:06 cait the bilbionumber is such a central thing... i would be worried about side effects
10:06 cait but hard to tell
10:14 magnuse gaetan_B: see also bug 9921
10:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nunyo, In Discussion , Make it possible to force 001 = biblionumber
10:15 gaetan_B thanks magnuse, such a long in discussion bug for this point strongly indicates i should leave it as it is !!
10:16 magnuse maybe... :-)
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10:25 cait Joubu++
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10:50 cait wifi--
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10:51 drojf hi #koha
10:51 cait hi drojf
10:51 cait @karma wifi
10:51 huginn cait: Karma for "wifi" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
10:51 drojf hi cait
10:52 drojf :D
10:52 drojf had to reboot for other reasons ;)
10:52 cait ah, it still won't hurt
10:52 drojf nope. i am connected to that particular wifi right now, it will be of use later ;)
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11:52 barton good morning #koha!
11:54 cait hi barton
11:54 barton morning cait!
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11:55 barton morning meliss!
11:55 meliss good morning barton
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11:56 barton morning natec!
11:56 NateC mornign barton!
11:56 NateC morning #koha!
11:56 * barton thinks that we might as well do our morning introductions in #koha ;-)
11:57 NateC i like it
11:57 cait hi NateC :)
11:57 NateC hey cait!
11:57 NateC its like 30 degrees here I'm so ready for spring
11:58 barton I hear you there, natec!
11:59 cait @wunder Konstanz
11:59 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.4°C (12:55 PM CET on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
11:59 cait not 30 celsius, right?
11:59 NateC no 30 F
11:59 meliss my thermometer says it's currently 17 F
11:59 barton cait, *definitely* correct.
11:59 NateC really? damn it must be that here then
11:59 meliss if not colder natec
12:00 NateC @weather 06896
12:00 huginn NateC: The current temperature in Redding, Connecticut is -5.5°C (8:00 AM EDT on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Rising).
12:01 NateC far from optimal
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12:02 barton that's the one thing I never got the hang of in metric... I can handle metric lengths and volumes and such, but temp. is such an intuitive thing... I know what 70F feels like, but I don't have a feeling for anything other than 0C.
12:04 NateC yeah when we were in NZ for a month i started to get the swing of it but now its lost
12:04 * cait doesn't have any feelings for fahrenheit
12:04 NateC i guess i need to go back!
12:04 cait true :)
12:05 * barton likes chris_n's quit message.
12:06 barton temp conversion is hard to do in your head...
12:06 magnuse @wunder boo
12:06 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 6.0°C (1:00 PM CET on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Rising).
12:07 barton @wunder lou
12:07 huginn barton: The current temperature in Louisville Bowman, Kentucky is 3.0°C (7:53 AM EDT on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
12:07 barton hey, it worked!
12:08 * barton wonders if anyone else saw the dbus errors...
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12:12 barton chris_n: I liked your 'Coyote finally caught me' message. :-)
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12:15 oleonard Hi #koha
12:15 barton morning oleonard!
12:17 oleonard Hi barton, those librarians keeping you busy?
12:17 barton heh.
12:18 barton so many librarians, so little time ;-)
12:25 nlegrand Oi!
12:27 magnuse oy!
12:30 barton oy oy oy.
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12:32 barton morning nengard!
12:32 nlegrand ^^
12:32 magnuse howdy nengard
12:32 nengard hola
12:32 nengard :)
12:35 barton morning jessem!
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12:36 JesseM Morning Barton
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12:38 NateC morning edveal!
12:38 edveal morning all
12:41 cait hi edveal and JesseM :)
12:42 edveal hi cait
12:49 oleonard gmcharlt are you still interested in investigating bug 11702 or is it a moot point now?
12:49 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11702 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Can't specify date for automatic resumption of suspended hold
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12:56 JesseM Hi cait
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13:05 NateC oleonard did you guys get hit with the snow?
13:06 oleonard We got a little bit on Tuesday, just enough to make us all feel depressed but not enough to stick.
13:06 NateC heh
13:06 oleonard NateC: You?
13:06 wahanui You are not the first to ask that question
13:06 NateC nope just crazy wind
13:07 NateC and really cold temps
13:07 NateC i had a 30 ft tree fall across the driveway yesterday
13:07 oleonard Yikes
13:07 NateC yeah and I had nothing but a hand saw and a Jeep with a plow to clear it
13:07 NateC it was interesting
13:08 oleonard Yeah but I bet you felt really manly doing it.
13:08 NateC that i did
13:08 NateC i felt like i was on the show Ax Men
13:08 NateC i even grew a beard for it :)
13:09 oleonard :D
13:09 NateC but i really need to buy a chainsaw now...
13:10 oleonard My father-in-law went to buy a chainsaw and they told him he didn't want a chainsaw--they're too dangerous.
13:11 NateC HA
13:11 NateC ince
13:11 NateC nice
13:12 oleonard Of course he may just look like someone who's likely to accidentally kill himself with a chainsaw ;)
13:15 NateC yeah id probably fall into that category too
13:17 oleonard Not with that beard.
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13:59 * magnuse has an electrical chainsaw - does that count?
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14:03 francharb hi
14:04 rhcl morning
14:04 rhcl @wunder 64507
14:04 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 12.1°C (9:00 AM CDT on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Falling).
14:08 cait marcelr++
14:08 cait css--
14:09 oleonard :P
14:20 magnuse feels like i'm missing something obvious here... how do i a print a check in receipt?
14:23 ashimema css-- ?
14:25 oleonard I'm sure she didn't mean it ashimema.
14:25 * oleonard comforts css
14:25 gerundio hi, good afternoon
14:26 gerundio anyone around to help me understand authorities in Koha and how to set them up?
14:26 magnuse @karma css
14:26 huginn magnuse: Karma for "css" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2.
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14:27 * oleonard hands cait all his old <font> and <table> tags, with a few spacer gifs thrown in.
14:27 magnuse gerundio: not me, but have you looked at http://manual.koha-community.o[…]tauthorities.html ?
14:27 magnuse ooh, space gifs!
14:28 gerundio magnuse, I have
14:29 gerundio I don't have any knowledge of authorities whatsoever, so I have some basic doubts
14:29 gerundio the way I see it, the information for our authorities is already in our biblio records
14:30 gerundio I was asked to populate author and subject authorities
14:30 gerundio in there any way to import authorities from the biblio records?
14:30 ashimema ooh.. oleanard.  Happen to know if there's a way to re-order datatables upon intial page load via IntranetUserJS syspref?
14:30 gerundio maybe I'm completely off here, let me know if I am
14:30 ashimema oleonard.. even
14:31 magnuse gerundio: i think there is, but i have never used them
14:31 ashimema a is nowhere near o on my keyboard.. how did that typo creep in
14:31 oleonard ashimema: I have never tried that.
14:31 magnuse tabcomplete++
14:32 oleonard ashimema: The DataTables documentation does include examples of triggering a sort through alternate means, so that might be a place to start.
14:32 ashimema I try to do as little template customisation as possible now.. those css and js sysprefs are awesome.
14:33 ashimema cool.. I'll have a bash at it..
14:33 ashimema maybe even add it to the wiki if I work it out.
14:34 oleonard At least I thought I saw that in the docs, now I don't. Might take some Googling.
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14:49 cait lol
14:49 cait thx
14:49 cait just trying to make a koha opac look like another website
14:49 cait ... and it's trickx
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15:03 cait hah! IE and firefox look the same!
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15:34 cait yui--
15:35 oleonard I'll join that pile-on
15:35 oleonard yui--
15:39 cait *sigh*
15:39 cait my navigtion keeps showing up in weird places - opacnav
15:40 cait and the facets...
15:40 wahanui the facets are drawn from the records in the search results and are being worked on in bug 11232:[…]_bug.cgi?id=11232
15:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra
15:40 huginn Bug 11232: new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra
15:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #400 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:53 drojf i am getting an endless loop of upgrading to, web installer asking to upgrade from to and so on. any ideas why that is happening? (i had the same with my own package of 3.12.12 while 3.12.11 works fine)
15:54 drojf (must have been a different database number for 3.12, don't remember it though)
15:58 cait an XX left in the pdatedatabase?
15:59 cait or a 13 instead of a 15?
16:09 atheia Off the top of your heads, does anyone know a nice reference set of unit tests that I could use to get an idea of good standards?
16:09 cait hmm not sure it's ice, but reserves.t has grown a bit recently
16:09 atheia Fab, I'll check that out for starters :)
16:09 cait i think you want to make sure it uses transactions if it's a db_dependent one
16:10 cait i think we haven't cleaned up all yet
16:15 cait oleonard++
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16:20 bag morning all you alls
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16:26 gaetan_B bye !
16:34 bag hey meliss
16:34 bag you on the phone?
16:34 bag can we skype
16:34 meliss sure
16:36 bag thanks meliss
16:36 bag singing in meliss
16:37 meliss singing?
16:37 bag HA!!!
16:37 bag :P
16:38 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #400: SUCCESS in 58 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/400/
16:38 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11906: regression test for using DBIC to store & fetch UTF8 strings
16:38 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11906: ensure that Koha::Database uses UTF8 mode when connecting to databases
16:38 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11906 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Bad display of utf-8 chars in Patron lists (Datatable)
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17:01 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11906: regression test for using DBIC to store & fetch UTF8 strings
17:01 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11906: ensure that Koha::Database uses UTF8 mode when connecting to databases
17:01 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11906 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Bad display of utf-8 chars in Patron lists (Datatable)
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17:06 pianohacker hallo
17:11 rhcl hola pianohacker
17:12 pianohacker hi rhcl
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17:27 atheia 'allo pianohacker
17:27 pianohacker Hi alex! :)
17:30 cait hi pianohacker :)
17:30 pianohacker hi cait
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17:33 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
17:33 mtompset oleonard++ # thanks for the catch on bug 7567.
17:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7567 enhancement, P3, ---, mtompset, Passed QA , News by Library: refactor, enhance, and fix
17:36 mtompset Split?
17:36 * wahanui will provide the bananas!
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18:03 mtompset dcook: You didn't publish your comments.
18:03 mtompset (bug 11592)
18:03 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11592 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Passed QA , opac scripts do not respect MARC tag visibility
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18:35 magnuse how do i recognize a zombie zebra, if i meet one?
18:36 rangi server up, not answering any connections
18:36 rangi i havent bumped into one
18:36 magnuse ref bug 8908
18:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8908 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Starman/Plack hangs when faced with zombie Zebra
18:36 rangi how'd the experiment go?
18:36 jcamins magnuse: ps says 'Z'
18:37 jcamins Or maybe it's top that says 'Z'
18:37 jcamins One of them.
18:37 wahanui one of them is bound to have a good idea ;)
18:37 bag @seen johnc
18:37 huginn bag: I have not seen johnc.
18:37 pastebot "magnuse" at pasted "a heard of zebras after running with plack in production for a day" (9 lines) at
18:38 bag hmm I forgot his irc name
18:38 Dyrcona jcamins: Think they'll both say Z depending on options.
18:38 magnuse bag: HI
18:38 wahanui bidet, magnuse
18:38 jcamins Dyrcona: ah, that's why I was confused.
18:39 rangi magnuse: and that's with the patch fixing zconn?
18:39 bag magnuse: HI
18:39 magnuse rangi: yes
18:39 bag @seen crockett
18:39 huginn bag: I have not seen crockett.
18:39 rangi interesting, looks like something in the staff side then
18:39 bag @seen jcrockett
18:39 huginn bag: I have not seen jcrockett.
18:39 magnuse <defunct> looks suspicious?
18:39 rangi has been running under plack for months now
18:40 rangi (opac only)
18:40 jcamins magnuse: yeah, the <defunct> one is a zombie.
18:40 rangi we dont end up with a bunch of zebra
18:40 magnuse i had nagios reporting more zebras than expected
18:41 magnuse so something is happening there
18:41 bag yeah we've had washoe running opac starman for awhile now too - the only problem we have is with the rss rewrite
18:41 bag rangi: is that with apache2 or nginx?
18:41 rangi apache2
18:41 jcamins Apparently the reason I encountered that bug is that I had manually run Zebra rather than using the daemon script for some reason.
18:41 rangi cos its doing the staff side normally too
18:42 rangi magnuse: it will spawn more zebras as things connect, but they should go away
18:44 magnuse i think they have been coming and going, but maybe lingering a bit before going away
18:44 rangi that makes sense, timing out
18:45 rangi this is why having yaz-proxy between koha and zebra would make this a lot nicer
18:45 rangi eythian is going to be looking into this i think
18:45 magnuse eythian++
18:45 bag eythian++
18:47 cait magnuse: what did they say about performance?
18:48 bag sorry a little late to the convo - magnuse "i had nagios reporting more zebras than expected"  was that the -z zebras?
18:48 magnuse cait: "check in was fast, check out quite fast"
18:49 magnuse bag: probably
18:49 magnuse well, a couple times i have seen this: 1049     14139  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        Z    13:31   0:04 [zebrasrv] <defunct>
18:49 rangi checkout does too much
18:49 rangi thats a pet peeve of mine
18:49 rangi all done to librarians who hate clicking
18:50 magnuse (as part of output from "ps aux | grep zebrasrv")
18:50 rangi down even
18:50 bag checkout does do too much - but we can always add more right :P
18:50 mtompset Should you even have a heard of zebras?
18:50 bag heh just kidding
18:50 rangi 'you must put everything on this one screen cos i grew up with crappy ils software and you must replicate it'
18:50 bag magnuse: we use flock on zebra -z
18:50 bag maybe that would help?
18:50 magnuse but there was more of these than i expected: 1049     17770  0.0  0.3 100336  6652 ?        S    19:33   0:00 zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/sites/hylte2/koha-conf.xml (which looks like a healthy zebra to me)
18:51 bag or I'm missing the point (which happens)
18:51 magnuse bag: a flock of zebras?
18:51 * magnuse has no clue what flock is
18:51 rangi magnuse: there will be more
18:51 mtompset magnuse: It's daemon that spawns it, so I don't think the problem is zebra.
18:51 * bag hears the lovely music of a flock of zebras
18:51 rangi because the perl doesnt die
18:51 rangi so have to wait for the timeouts
18:51 magnuse perl will never die!
18:52 magnuse yeah, that seems to make sense
18:52 rangi instead of the connection being torn down when perl process ends
18:52 rangi its mostly harmless, just messy
18:52 bag magnuse: iirc
18:52 mtompset oh, because the perl is waiting on a Zconn that never returns?
18:53 cait magnuse: now i am confused, which was faster?
18:53 rangi checkin cait
18:53 magnuse cait: plack was fast!
18:54 cait that makes sense :)
18:54 * cait goes to put groceries away
18:54 magnuse they felt the speedup on checkin was better than on checkout
18:54 bag magnuse: you should add this too Bug 11703
18:54 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable
18:54 bag and see if that speeds up even more
18:55 rangi id test that pretty hard in staging first
18:55 rangi you want to be sure you dont somehow miss a checkout
18:55 bag I have no clue - haven't tested that with plack
18:56 rangi but it should be a good speedup in cgi and plack
18:56 magnuse bag: it probably will, but i don't have the time to do much experimenting right now
18:57 bag time I wish I had it too :)
18:57 magnuse :-)
18:57 bag @tell magnuse HI
18:58 magnuse @later tell bag: HI
18:58 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
18:59 bag @notes
18:59 huginn bag: I currently have notes waiting for #koha, bag:, bgkriegel, bgkriegel:, Brooke:, cait,, cait., cait:, ccurry, chris_c, chris_n,, chris_n:, christ, cindy, Culiforg:, dcook,, dpavlin:, drofj, drojf:, druthb_away, druthb_away:, eythian:, Genji:, gmcharlt:, hackfesters, hdl:, hdl_laptop:,[…]bib/msg48204.html, jcamins:, juan-siera, kf,, khall, khall:, khall_away, km_kale, (1 more message)
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19:00 bag @notes bag:
19:00 huginn bag: Sent 1 minute ago: <magnuse> HI
19:00 bag @notes help
19:00 huginn bag: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
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19:03 magnuse hiya francharb
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19:08 francharb o/ magnuse
19:09 cait @notes cait,,
19:09 huginn cait: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
19:09 cait @notes cait,
19:09 huginn cait: Sent 2 years, 13 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, and 6 minutes ago: <Oak> sent you mail :) as usual, check your spam folder. and Sent 4 weeks, 1 day, 10 hours, and 57 minutes ago: <ashimema> any idea's why bug 8962 got left behind.. I'm looking to do similar, but wondered whether the history meant anything.
19:10 cait @notes cait
19:10 huginn cait: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
19:10 cait @notes cait:
19:10 huginn cait: Sent 1 year, 20 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, and 50 minutes ago: <magnuse> the sushi wasn't any good anywat ;-), Sent 1 year, 19 weeks, 6 days, 10 hours, and 21 minutes ago: <magnuse> looks like my permissions for nb-NO 3.10 are still not quite right, and Sent 9 weeks, 1 day, 11 hours, and 48 minutes ago: <dcook> Yep
19:10 cait @notes cait.
19:10 huginn cait: Sent 1 week, 2 days, 5 hours, and 12 minutes ago: <mtompset> Thanks for the clarification.
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19:22 mtompset That was probably with respect to the one line of code that was wrong on that one patch. :)
19:22 mtompset The one I haven't tested, because I have to do retro-testing to properly test it.
19:23 mtompset And that takes extra time.
19:23 mtompset which is why I suggested axing the fix to history.
19:25 rangi ok, off to take the kids to school
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20:03 talljoy back
20:14 wizzyrea more like "you must put everything on one scream because this daycare mom with 15 children can't be away from my desk fast enough"
20:14 wizzyrea scream. that's a freudian slip.
20:17 jcamins wizzyrea: huh? I think there must be some bizarre and interesting context for that statement.
20:17 wizzyrea screen.
20:17 jcamins Ohhh.
20:17 jcamins Right.
20:18 * jcamins is disappointed.
20:18 jcamins It was so much better without context.
20:18 jcamins Completely right either way, of course.
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20:26 wizzyrea heheh
20:39 cait ok
20:39 cait say i was doing this 2 day koha workshop for librarians
20:39 cait ... what would be fun doing with them?
20:43 cait nothing? :)
21:10 eythian hi
21:10 wahanui salut, eythian
21:10 eythian @notes eythian:
21:10 huginn eythian: Sent 2 years, 48 weeks, 2 days, 6 hours, and 39 minutes ago: <cait> forget everything before and answer that question: Is there a bug for the accounting rewrite to which I can link bugs as 2696 Fine payments should show whatwas paid for, Sent 1 year, 9 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, and 48 minutes ago: <magnuse> kia ora! any news on the funding for the images from multiple sources thing? just curious... :-), (3 more messages)
21:10 eythian @notes
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21:10 eythian @notes help
21:10 huginn eythian: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
21:11 eythian I want to see my three other messages :/
21:11 cait hm
21:11 cait it didn't change after delivering the notices
21:11 bag eythian: it's @more
21:12 bag cait that's cause the note is really for user = eythian: not eythian
21:12 bag @notes
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21:12 bag @more
21:12 huginn bag: kmkale:, kyleh, LadyNight32, lducos, magnus, magnus_waffles, manguse, member:libsysguy, mtj:, mtompset:, mtompsett,, mveron, NCAR, nenegard, nengard:, nicole, Oak, Oak:, oleonard:, owen:, paul_p,, paul_p:, rangi:, santy,, Schuster:, sekjal:, seneca:, sjeffrey, slef:, tchoen, tcohen:, thd-away, Viktor:, whoever, wizzrea, wizzyrea,, and wizzyrea:.
21:13 bag @notes eythian
21:13 huginn bag: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
21:13 nengard eeek ... and i forget how to find those
21:13 bag @notes eythian:
21:13 huginn bag: Sent 2 years, 48 weeks, 2 days, 6 hours, and 42 minutes ago: <cait> forget everything before and answer that question: Is there a bug for the accounting rewrite to which I can link bugs as 2696 Fine payments should show whatwas paid for, Sent 1 year, 9 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, and 51 minutes ago: <magnuse> kia ora! any news on the funding for the images from multiple sources thing? just curious... :-), Sent 1 (3 more messages)
21:13 nengard @notes nengard:
21:13 huginn nengard: Sent 4 years, 6 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, and 42 minutes ago: <chris_n> I submitted a patch for the docbook documentation correcting some invalid markup
21:13 bag @more
21:13 huginn bag: year, 1 week, 0 days, 10 hours, and 27 minutes ago: <magnuse> do you happen to have any opinions on Bug 9749?, Sent 1 year, 0 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, and 46 minutes ago: <magnuse> if you should happen to feel like fixing bug 9890 i'll sign off in ~15 hours :-), Sent 50 weeks, 1 day, 14 hours, and 35 minutes ago: <magnuse> i did not report a bug for the version in build-git-snapshot, i just added it as a (2 more messages)
21:13 nengard 2 YEARS???
21:13 bag @more
21:13 huginn bag: comment on some other bug, Sent 50 weeks, 1 day, 14 hours, and 28 minutes ago: <magnuse> my original comment was on[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9918, Sent 48 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, and 45 minutes ago: <tcohen> take a look at bug 10084, and Sent 48 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, and 23 minutes ago: <tcohen> we could do smth like for lang in $(koha-translate --list) ; do koha-translate (1 more message)
21:13 bag @more
21:13 huginn bag: --update $lang ; done during the packages update
21:14 eythian handy
21:14 eythian magnuse is the main offender :)
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21:33 magnuse huh?
21:34 eythian at leaving messages for 'eythian:' rather than 'eythian' :)
21:35 magnuse ah
21:35 magnuse oops
21:36 eythian <-- hey, this is pretty good.
21:36 eythian might have to point that out to some of our libraries.
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21:38 bag ah there he is JohnC
21:38 bag what's up man
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21:39 bag hey JohnC do you have skype in your office
21:39 bag heya nancyk
21:39 nancyk Hi
21:39 * cait waves
21:39 bag hiya cait
21:40 cait hi bag :)
21:50 bag ah JohnC came and left
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21:51 bag ah is that john__ = john crockett
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22:30 pianohacker hi cait
22:38 wajasu is there such a thing as a syspref that is "hidden" from the staff editor?  so one could write YAML config there with some custom UI.
22:38 eythian I don't _think_ so.
22:39 pianohacker wajasu: What do you mean by the second part?
22:39 wizzyrea bag, perchance on your very slow borrowers with restrictions
22:40 wizzyrea do they have expiration dates set?
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22:41 wajasu i was thinking that msaby's facet config UI for YAML could be put in that table.  the custom UI would be "secure" and not "free form YAML"
22:41 pianohacker wajasu: If you don't have a systempreference in the YAML, it'll just show up in the local use tab
22:42 pianohacker wajasu: The most robust option would be either putting it in a separate table with its own admin screen, or adding it as a syspref type to (if the config screen isn't too large)
22:43 pianohacker wajasu: Having it in the systempreferences table prevents you from later specializing the facets by branch, unfortunately
22:43 bag hey wizzyrea larryb was the main man
22:43 bag he's popped into channel here - but I think he's on the phone at the same time
22:43 wajasu brainstorming for bug 10891 and bug 11232 (see comment #31)
22:43 wizzyrea ah right
22:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10891 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Make facets customisable
22:43 dcook wajasu: The issue with facet config (using Zebra facets) is that not all facets will be set up correctly without massive changes to the Zebra indexing config
22:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra
22:44 bag so he maybe slow to answer your questions wizzyrea
22:44 wizzyrea is he still about or gone for the day?
22:44 * dcook hopes the building isn't burning down...
22:45 larryb sorry, I'm off the phone now.
22:45 pianohacker wajasu: Ah, thanks. What are your concerns with security, if I might ask?
22:46 wajasu security - i was thinking of bgu 10891 comment 1
22:47 pianohacker ahhh kk thanks
22:47 eythian the syspref aspect of that isn't the key part
22:48 wizzyrea hi larryb
22:48 wizzyrea on your very slow borrowers with restrictions
22:48 larryb hey wizzyrea
22:48 wahanui wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans.
22:48 wizzyrea do they happen to have debarred dates way in the future, like 9999?
22:48 larryb I can't recall for sure, but that may have been the case
22:49 larryb you aren't going to ask me to remember who that was, are you? I've slept since then
22:49 wizzyrea You can't actually do that in the interface, and sane close dates don't make it slow
22:49 wizzyrea nope
22:49 larryb define "sane". within 10, 20, 50 years?
22:50 cait larryb: if you leave it empty it#s best for indefinite
22:50 wizzyrea sane as far as the interface will let you pick in the date picker, which this year is 2024
22:50 larryb thank you wizzyrea and cait. I will test both of those options see if things improve
22:50 eythian cait: still, that case should be handled in a way that doesn't make everything really slow.
22:50 wizzyrea I think that the updatedatabase, when converting old restrictions
22:51 wizzyrea set it at 9999 (I haven't confirmed)
22:51 cait i think there is a bug
22:51 wizzyrea and when it goes to do date math on that very distant date it takes for. ev. er.
22:51 cait it was converted wrongly and should be empty
22:51 wizzyrea there is definitely a bug.
22:51 cait if i recall correctly
22:51 eythian maybe it does something dumb like loop through every day until then
22:51 wizzyrea it also should not do that
22:51 wizzyrea ^^
22:51 eythian cait: then there are two bugs
22:51 cait let me find it
22:52 cait bug 11846
22:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11846 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Correct database update for debarments with 9999-12-31
22:52 wizzyrea cool
22:52 cait "Set as major because it creates an heavy load on pages displaying this infinite date (using the TT plugin KohaDates)."
22:52 cait sounds like a candidate
22:53 wizzyrea yea def
22:53 wizzyrea we shoudl fix kohadates.
22:53 wizzyrea as well.
22:53 wizzyrea so it does not do that.
22:53 eythian yeah
22:53 eythian because it's probably still taking longer than it needs to on more sensible dates anyway
22:53 wajasu dcook: can you comment on bgu 11232 comment #31.   i think if we write a UI for facet config, upon save we could generate enriched index configs that are xml included with fallback.
22:58 dcook I think that you could've written the comment better :p
22:58 * talljoy jumps in late to the debarment talk
22:59 dcook It's a bit vague and has too many competing ideas. I think I understand what you're saying but most people probably won't.
22:59 larryb wizzyrea, I went back to our site (I remembered) and changed the debarred field to 2022-12-31. Unfortunately that does not seem to have resolved the slow load.
22:59 dcook As for the idea...
22:59 wizzyrea I would try removing the date entirely
22:59 larryb okay
22:59 larryb NULL or blank?
22:59 dcook wajasu: Actually, I have no idea what you're talking about in this comment
23:00 dcook Some parts yes, some parts no
23:00 eythian yeah, I suspect something really broken is happening in the date comparison.
23:00 wizzyrea null should work
23:00 larryb tnhx
23:01 dcook On an unrelated note, I love tasty pastry
23:01 wizzyrea don't we all.
23:02 dcook Probably. But I just ate two and felt the need to share ;)
23:02 larryb hmm that's odd. It still took 30+ seconds to load, the restriction message no longer shows on the detail page, but the Restriction tab is still showing a date of 12/31/9999
23:02 cait that's the old default date - i think it might be right... not sure
23:03 mtompset @note mtompset
23:03 huginn mtompset: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
23:03 cait hm but should show? *confused*
23:03 cait did you change both?
23:03 mtompset @notes
23:03 huginn mtompset: I currently have notes waiting for #koha, bag:, bgkriegel, bgkriegel:, Brooke:, cait,, cait., cait:, ccurry, chris_c, chris_n,, chris_n:, christ, cindy, Culiforg:, dcook,, dpavlin:, drofj, drojf:, druthb_away, druthb_away:, eythian:, Genji:, gmcharlt:, hackfesters, hdl:, hdl_laptop:,[…]bib/msg48204.html, jcamins:, juan-siera, kf,, khall, khall:, khall_away, (1 more message)
23:03 cait borrower_debarments and borrowers.debarred?
23:03 mtompset @notes mtompset
23:03 huginn mtompset: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
23:04 larryb not cait, I only changed borrowers.debarrred
23:04 larryb let me look at borrower_debarments
23:04 cait might be named a bit differently
23:04 larryb no, that's it
23:04 cait ah cool
23:05 larryb Ah yes, it's 9999-12-31 in borrower_debarments, let me change that to NULL as well
23:05 mtompset that reminds me of a bug someone was working on.
23:06 mtompset bug 11846
23:06 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11846 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Correct database update for debarments with 9999-12-31
23:07 larryb cait wizzyrea that did it. the patron loaded in < 4 secs. However, the red "restricted" message is still gone. Do I need an actual date in there?
23:07 mtompset NULL means debarred indefinitely.
23:07 mtompset a date means debarred until then.
23:08 larryb understood, but I think our library would object that the red restricted message is gone from right under the borrower name.
23:08 larryb that went away when I set borrower.debarred to null
23:08 cait hm it should be there i think
23:09 bag yeah the green one is gone too
23:09 cait larryb: maybe try something on a borrower
23:09 bag :P
23:09 cait debar a borrower from the gui
23:09 cait leave the date empty
23:09 cait only check the debarred
23:09 cait and compar how it looks
23:09 cait compare
23:09 wajasu dcook: we would have a UI that reads facet config from YAML/JSON, whatever.  The index names to choose from in a dropdown are populated from the biblios-koha-indexdefs.xml. Upon save, we add the index:0 xml fragments, and write out biblios-koha-indexdefs-faceted.xml.  Then use xsltproc to generate biblio-zebra-indexdefs-faceted.xsl, and thus retreival-info-bib-grs1-faceted.xml.  Our...
23:09 wajasu ...koha_conf.xml  can have an xml include for that retriieval file.  So the next zebraidx will have index : 0.  And the search zebra facet queries would be driven off of the YAML/JSON.
23:12 larryb cait that revealed it.
23:12 cait hi mario :)
23:12 larryb here's what happening. when you debar with no date, the borrower_debarments expiration is NULL but the borrower.debarred field is 9999-12-31
23:12 mario hey cait
23:13 cait larryb: there you go :) you can blame kyle for that ;)
23:13 cait but it made sense, it's like it used to work, guess he didn't want to change it
23:13 larryb so 9999-12-31 is okay in borrowers, but it's NOT in borrower_debarments
23:13 bag khall++  #for the baby
23:14 dcook wajasu: GRS1 doesn't use XML for its config.
23:14 dcook wajasu: At least it didn't used to...maybe I'll have to look at that again.
23:14 cait larryb: hope it also fixes your page load
23:15 * cait keeps finers crossed
23:15 larryb it did for this slow patron
23:15 larryb loaded in 4 secs
23:15 dcook wajasu: Of course, doing a facet search will fail everytime before a re-index, but that's why you mention trying each facet separately if a all-facet query failed
23:15 larryb let me change another to be sure
23:15 dcook Maybe
23:15 bag dcook: GRS1 doesn't use xml
23:15 dcook bag: Good, so I'm not crazy :)
23:16 dcook I wonder what this marc21-retrieval-info-bib-grs1.xml file is..
23:16 bag never thought of you as being crazy dcook
23:17 dcook bag: This file: retrieval-info-bib-grs1.xml also seems out of place..
23:17 larryb WooHoo. Yes. Removing the date from borrower_debarments.expiration is what corrects the slow load
23:17 bag hmm dcook I wonder if that's being used at all
23:18 eythian ideally, fixing whatever makes the date comparison so slow should really be what's corrected.
23:18 bag dcook: maybe that has something to do with Z3950?
23:18 bag eythian++
23:18 dcook wajasu: GRS1 uses record.abs instead of an .xml file
23:18 dcook wajasu: Mind you, I think GRS1 is being deprecated soon so it might not matter.
23:19 dcook bag: No idea :S. gmcharlt might know.
23:20 dcook This looks like a job for git blame..
23:21 pianohacker @karma karma
23:21 huginn pianohacker: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (56), "cait" (46), and "oleonard" (39).  Lowest karma: "windchill" (-3), "yui" (-2), and "css" (-2).  You (pianohacker) are ranked 18 out of 140.
23:21 pianohacker karma++
23:21 bag @karma karma karma
23:21 huginn bag: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (56), "cait" (46), and "oleonard" (39).  Lowest karma: "windchill" (-3), "yui" (-2), and "css" (-2).  You (bag) are ranked 15 out of 141.
23:22 bag doesn't work here either pianohacker
23:22 dcook bug 7818
23:22 bag silly bot
23:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7818 critical, P1 - high, ---, robin, CLOSED FIXED, support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records
23:22 pianohacker curses, we've been foiled again
23:22 dcook @karma eythian
23:22 huginn dcook: Karma for "eythian" has been increased 35 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 34.
23:22 * dcook thinks he's increasing eythian's karma about every day :p
23:22 dcook @karma
23:22 huginn dcook: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (56), "cait" (46), and "oleonard" (39).  Lowest karma: "windchill" (-3), "yui" (-2), and "css" (-2).  You (dcook) are ranked 22 out of 141.
23:22 pianohacker did it get reset?
23:23 dcook Beginning of the year, me thinks
23:23 dcook You didn't see the epic thread?
23:23 pianohacker no I didn't, actually
23:23 dcook Probably for the best :p
23:24 pianohacker dcook: ... what happened?
23:26 larryb thank you #koha. you have helped us fix 20K + borrower problems
23:27 dcook pianohacker: I can't actually recall anymore :/
23:27 pianohacker but how will I know about the delicious
23:27 pianohacker #koha drama?
23:27 dcook lol
23:27 bag @karma bag
23:27 huginn bag: Karma for "bag" has been increased 12 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 12.
23:28 larryb @wizzyrea++
23:28 mtompset css is -2?!
23:28 huginn larryb: I've exhausted my database of quotes
23:28 larryb @cait++
23:28 bag well thank you all who have given me kind karma's back at all of you alls
23:28 huginn larryb: I suck
23:28 larryb wizzyrea++
23:28 pianohacker bag--
23:28 mtompset pianohacker: It did get reset.
23:28 larryb cait++
23:28 dcook lol
23:28 pianohacker 11 is a nicer number
23:29 larryb that's better
23:29 cait :) thx larryb++ bag++
23:29 bag hey I'm prime again - I can love that pianohacker
23:29 mtompset prime numbers are always nicer. :)
23:29 bag pianohacker++
23:29 pianohacker woot woot
23:29 cait oups
23:29 bag oh well cait - you're still pretty damn rad
23:29 mtompset @karma pianohacker
23:29 huginn mtompset: Karma for "pianohacker" has been increased 7 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 7.
23:29 pianohacker I need to pick up the pace since the reset!
23:29 dcook @karma dcook
23:29 huginn dcook: Karma for "dcook" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5.
23:29 dcook high five!
23:30 bag @karma bag #who gave me the karmas?
23:30 huginn bag: bag #who gave me the karmas? has neutral karma.
23:30 bag HA
23:30 bag @karma bag --list
23:30 huginn bag: bag --list has neutral karma.
23:30 pianohacker ah, huginn, the ol' dumb raven
23:30 pianohacker as opposed to wahanui, the cocaine-powered raven
23:31 mtompset Does that mean wahanui will be Toronto's next mayor? ;)
23:31 dcook pianohacker: If I recall correctly, I think there was some discontent about the stratification of karma, so the people with the most decided to renounce their karmic awesomeness to restore balance to the force.
23:31 dcook Of course, they are awesome, so their karma will be regained anyway.
23:31 pianohacker mtompset: nah, too coherent
23:31 pianohacker dcook: Ah okay :)
23:31 bag windows--
23:31 dcook ie--
23:32 bag M$--
23:32 mtompset which version, bag?
23:32 dcook Oh yeah...that reminds me to do a shout out for SLUG on twitter...
23:32 bag windows_all--
23:32 pianohacker Now that the previous productive conversation has been *completely* derailed, I'm out of here
23:32 dcook lol
23:32 pianohacker mtompset: one less than it was before
23:32 * pianohacker bows
23:32 bag later pianohacker BE WELL
23:32 bag oh I wonder if I got that in - in time
23:32 mtompset people_who_use_windows_xp_past_april_8--
23:33 talljoy lol
23:33 mtompset html2++ # old school is always best. :P
23:34 bag people_who_use_windows_xp_past_april_8--
23:34 kmlussier joined #koha
23:44 wizzyrea heh
23:45 bag hey druthb
23:45 bag by druthb_away
23:45 bag bye*
23:49 eythian C++
23:49 mario bye

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