Time Nick Message 23:49 mario bye 23:49 eythian C++ 23:45 bag bye* 23:45 bag by druthb_away 23:45 bag hey druthb 23:44 wizzyrea heh 23:34 bag people_who_use_windows_xp_past_april_8-- 23:33 mtompset html2++ # old school is always best. :P 23:33 talljoy lol 23:32 mtompset people_who_use_windows_xp_past_april_8-- 23:32 bag oh I wonder if I got that in - in time 23:32 bag later pianohacker BE WELL 23:32 * pianohacker bows 23:32 pianohacker mtompset: one less than it was before 23:32 dcook lol 23:32 pianohacker Now that the previous productive conversation has been *completely* derailed, I'm out of here 23:32 bag windows_all-- 23:32 dcook Oh yeah...that reminds me to do a shout out for SLUG on twitter... 23:32 mtompset which version, bag? 23:32 bag M$-- 23:31 dcook ie-- 23:31 bag windows-- 23:31 pianohacker dcook: Ah okay :) 23:31 pianohacker mtompset: nah, too coherent 23:31 dcook Of course, they are awesome, so their karma will be regained anyway. 23:31 dcook pianohacker: If I recall correctly, I think there was some discontent about the stratification of karma, so the people with the most decided to renounce their karmic awesomeness to restore balance to the force. 23:31 mtompset Does that mean wahanui will be Toronto's next mayor? ;) 23:30 pianohacker as opposed to wahanui, the cocaine-powered raven 23:30 pianohacker ah, huginn, the ol' dumb raven 23:30 huginn bag: bag --list has neutral karma. 23:30 bag @karma bag --list 23:30 bag HA 23:30 huginn bag: bag #who gave me the karmas? has neutral karma. 23:30 bag @karma bag #who gave me the karmas? 23:29 dcook high five! 23:29 huginn dcook: Karma for "dcook" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. 23:29 dcook @karma dcook 23:29 pianohacker I need to pick up the pace since the reset! 23:29 huginn mtompset: Karma for "pianohacker" has been increased 7 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 7. 23:29 mtompset @karma pianohacker 23:29 bag oh well cait - you're still pretty damn rad 23:29 cait oups 23:29 pianohacker woot woot 23:29 bag pianohacker++ 23:29 mtompset prime numbers are always nicer. :) 23:29 bag hey I'm prime again - I can love that pianohacker 23:29 cait :) thx larryb++ bag++ 23:29 larryb that's better 23:28 pianohacker 11 is a nicer number 23:28 dcook lol 23:28 larryb cait++ 23:28 mtompset pianohacker: It did get reset. 23:28 pianohacker bag-- 23:28 larryb wizzyrea++ 23:28 huginn larryb: I suck 23:28 bag well thank you all who have given me kind karma's back at all of you alls 23:28 larryb @cait++ 23:28 huginn larryb: I've exhausted my database of quotes 23:28 mtompset css is -2?! 23:28 larryb @wizzyrea++ 23:27 huginn bag: Karma for "bag" has been increased 12 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 12. 23:27 bag @karma bag 23:27 dcook lol 23:27 pianohacker #koha drama? 23:27 pianohacker but how will I know about the delicious 23:27 dcook pianohacker: I can't actually recall anymore :/ 23:26 larryb thank you #koha. you have helped us fix 20K + borrower problems 23:24 pianohacker dcook: ... what happened? 23:23 dcook Probably for the best :p 23:23 pianohacker no I didn't, actually 23:23 dcook You didn't see the epic thread? 23:23 dcook Beginning of the year, me thinks 23:22 pianohacker did it get reset? 23:22 huginn dcook: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (56), "cait" (46), and "oleonard" (39). Lowest karma: "windchill" (-3), "yui" (-2), and "css" (-2). You (dcook) are ranked 22 out of 141. 23:22 dcook @karma 23:22 * dcook thinks he's increasing eythian's karma about every day :p 23:22 huginn dcook: Karma for "eythian" has been increased 35 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 34. 23:22 dcook @karma eythian 23:22 pianohacker curses, we've been foiled again 23:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 critical, P1 - high, ---, robin, CLOSED FIXED, support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records 23:22 bag silly bot 23:22 dcook bug 7818 23:22 bag doesn't work here either pianohacker 23:21 huginn bag: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (56), "cait" (46), and "oleonard" (39). Lowest karma: "windchill" (-3), "yui" (-2), and "css" (-2). You (bag) are ranked 15 out of 141. 23:21 bag @karma karma karma 23:21 pianohacker karma++ 23:21 huginn pianohacker: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (56), "cait" (46), and "oleonard" (39). Lowest karma: "windchill" (-3), "yui" (-2), and "css" (-2). You (pianohacker) are ranked 18 out of 140. 23:21 pianohacker @karma karma 23:20 dcook This looks like a job for git blame.. 23:19 dcook bag: No idea :S. gmcharlt might know. 23:18 dcook wajasu: Mind you, I think GRS1 is being deprecated soon so it might not matter. 23:18 dcook wajasu: GRS1 uses record.abs instead of an .xml file 23:18 bag eythian++ 23:18 bag dcook: maybe that has something to do with Z3950? 23:18 eythian ideally, fixing whatever makes the date comparison so slow should really be what's corrected. 23:17 bag hmm dcook I wonder if that's being used at all 23:17 larryb WooHoo. Yes. Removing the date from borrower_debarments.expiration is what corrects the slow load 23:17 dcook bag: This file: retrieval-info-bib-grs1.xml also seems out of place.. 23:16 bag never thought of you as being crazy dcook 23:16 dcook I wonder what this marc21-retrieval-info-bib-grs1.xml file is.. 23:15 dcook bag: Good, so I'm not crazy :) 23:15 bag dcook: GRS1 doesn't use xml 23:15 dcook Maybe 23:15 larryb let me change another to be sure 23:15 dcook wajasu: Of course, doing a facet search will fail everytime before a re-index, but that's why you mention trying each facet separately if a all-facet query failed 23:15 larryb loaded in 4 secs 23:15 larryb it did for this slow patron 23:15 * cait keeps finers crossed 23:14 cait larryb: hope it also fixes your page load 23:14 dcook wajasu: At least it didn't used to...maybe I'll have to look at that again. 23:14 dcook wajasu: GRS1 doesn't use XML for its config. 23:13 bag khall++ #for the baby 23:13 larryb so 9999-12-31 is okay in borrowers, but it's NOT in borrower_debarments 23:13 cait but it made sense, it's like it used to work, guess he didn't want to change it 23:13 cait larryb: there you go :) you can blame kyle for that ;) 23:12 mario hey cait 23:12 larryb here's what happening. when you debar with no date, the borrower_debarments expiration is NULL but the borrower.debarred field is 9999-12-31 23:12 cait hi mario :) 23:12 larryb cait that revealed it. 23:09 wajasu ...koha_conf.xml can have an xml include for that retriieval file. So the next zebraidx will have index : 0. And the search zebra facet queries would be driven off of the YAML/JSON. 23:09 wajasu dcook: we would have a UI that reads facet config from YAML/JSON, whatever. The index names to choose from in a dropdown are populated from the biblios-koha-indexdefs.xml. Upon save, we add the index:0 xml fragments, and write out biblios-koha-indexdefs-faceted.xml. Then use xsltproc to generate biblio-zebra-indexdefs-faceted.xsl, and thus retreival-info-bib-grs1-faceted.xml. Our... 23:09 cait compare 23:09 cait and compar how it looks 23:09 cait only check the debarred 23:09 cait leave the date empty 23:09 cait debar a borrower from the gui 23:09 bag :P 23:09 cait larryb: maybe try something on a borrower 23:09 bag yeah the green one is gone too 23:08 cait hm it should be there i think 23:08 larryb that went away when I set borrower.debarred to null 23:08 larryb understood, but I think our library would object that the red restricted message is gone from right under the borrower name. 23:07 mtompset a date means debarred until then. 23:07 mtompset NULL means debarred indefinitely. 23:07 larryb cait wizzyrea that did it. the patron loaded in < 4 secs. However, the red "restricted" message is still gone. Do I need an actual date in there? 23:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11846 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Correct database update for debarments with 9999-12-31 23:06 mtompset bug 11846 23:05 mtompset that reminds me of a bug someone was working on. 23:05 larryb Ah yes, it's 9999-12-31 in borrower_debarments, let me change that to NULL as well 23:04 cait ah cool 23:04 larryb no, that's it 23:04 cait might be named a bit differently 23:04 larryb let me look at borrower_debarments 23:04 larryb not cait, I only changed borrowers.debarrred 23:03 huginn mtompset: Error: I have no notes for that nick. 23:03 mtompset @notes mtompset 23:03 cait borrower_debarments and borrowers.debarred? 23:03 huginn mtompset: I currently have notes waiting for #koha, bag:, bgkriegel, bgkriegel:, Brooke:, cait,, cait., cait:, ccurry, chris_c, chris_n,, chris_n:, christ, cindy, Culiforg:, dcook,, dpavlin:, drofj, drojf:, druthb_away, druthb_away:, eythian:, Genji:, gmcharlt:, hackfesters, hdl:, hdl_laptop:, http://www.ub.uni-dortmund.de/listen/inetbib/msg48204.html, jcamins:, juan-siera, kf,, khall, khall:, khall_away, (1 more message) 23:03 mtompset @notes 23:03 cait did you change both? 23:03 cait hm but should show? *confused* 23:03 huginn mtompset: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 23:03 mtompset @note mtompset 23:02 cait that's the old default date - i think it might be right... not sure 23:02 larryb hmm that's odd. It still took 30+ seconds to load, the restriction message no longer shows on the detail page, but the Restriction tab is still showing a date of 12/31/9999 23:02 dcook Probably. But I just ate two and felt the need to share ;) 23:01 wizzyrea don't we all. 23:01 dcook On an unrelated note, I love tasty pastry 23:00 larryb tnhx 23:00 wizzyrea null should work 23:00 eythian yeah, I suspect something really broken is happening in the date comparison. 23:00 dcook Some parts yes, some parts no 22:59 dcook wajasu: Actually, I have no idea what you're talking about in this comment 22:59 larryb NULL or blank? 22:59 larryb okay 22:59 wizzyrea I would try removing the date entirely 22:59 dcook As for the idea... 22:59 larryb wizzyrea, I went back to our site (I remembered) and changed the debarred field to 2022-12-31. Unfortunately that does not seem to have resolved the slow load. 22:59 dcook It's a bit vague and has too many competing ideas. I think I understand what you're saying but most people probably won't. 22:58 * talljoy jumps in late to the debarment talk 22:58 dcook I think that you could've written the comment better :p 22:53 wajasu dcook: can you comment on bgu 11232 comment #31. i think if we write a UI for facet config, upon save we could generate enriched index configs that are xml included with fallback. 22:53 eythian because it's probably still taking longer than it needs to on more sensible dates anyway 22:53 eythian yeah 22:53 wizzyrea so it does not do that. 22:53 wizzyrea as well. 22:53 wizzyrea we shoudl fix kohadates. 22:53 wizzyrea yea def 22:52 cait sounds like a candidate 22:52 cait "Set as major because it creates an heavy load on pages displaying this infinite date (using the TT plugin KohaDates)." 22:52 wizzyrea cool 22:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11846 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Correct database update for debarments with 9999-12-31 22:52 cait bug 11846 22:51 cait let me find it 22:51 eythian cait: then there are two bugs 22:51 wizzyrea ^^ 22:51 wizzyrea it also should not do that 22:51 eythian maybe it does something dumb like loop through every day until then 22:51 cait if i recall correctly 22:51 wizzyrea there is definitely a bug. 22:51 cait it was converted wrongly and should be empty 22:51 wizzyrea and when it goes to do date math on that very distant date it takes for. ev. er. 22:51 cait i think there is a bug 22:51 wizzyrea set it at 9999 (I haven't confirmed) 22:50 wizzyrea I think that the updatedatabase, when converting old restrictions 22:50 eythian cait: still, that case should be handled in a way that doesn't make everything really slow. 22:50 larryb thank you wizzyrea and cait. I will test both of those options see if things improve 22:50 wizzyrea sane as far as the interface will let you pick in the date picker, which this year is 2024 22:50 cait larryb: if you leave it empty it#s best for indefinite 22:49 larryb define "sane". within 10, 20, 50 years? 22:49 wizzyrea nope 22:49 wizzyrea You can't actually do that in the interface, and sane close dates don't make it slow 22:49 larryb you aren't going to ask me to remember who that was, are you? I've slept since then 22:48 larryb I can't recall for sure, but that may have been the case 22:48 wizzyrea do they happen to have debarred dates way in the future, like 9999? 22:48 wahanui wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans. 22:48 larryb hey wizzyrea 22:48 wizzyrea on your very slow borrowers with restrictions 22:48 wizzyrea hi larryb 22:47 eythian the syspref aspect of that isn't the key part 22:47 pianohacker ahhh kk thanks 22:46 wajasu security - i was thinking of bgu 10891 comment 1 22:45 pianohacker wajasu: Ah, thanks. What are your concerns with security, if I might ask? 22:45 larryb sorry, I'm off the phone now. 22:44 * dcook hopes the building isn't burning down... 22:44 wizzyrea is he still about or gone for the day? 22:44 bag so he maybe slow to answer your questions wizzyrea 22:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra 22:43 dcook wajasu: The issue with facet config (using Zebra facets) is that not all facets will be set up correctly without massive changes to the Zebra indexing config 22:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10891 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Make facets customisable 22:43 wizzyrea ah right 22:43 wajasu brainstorming for bug 10891 and bug 11232 (see comment #31) 22:43 bag he's popped into channel here - but I think he's on the phone at the same time 22:43 bag hey wizzyrea larryb was the main man 22:43 pianohacker wajasu: Having it in the systempreferences table prevents you from later specializing the facets by branch, unfortunately 22:42 pianohacker wajasu: The most robust option would be either putting it in a separate table with its own admin screen, or adding it as a syspref type to preferences.tt (if the config screen isn't too large) 22:41 pianohacker wajasu: If you don't have a systempreference in the YAML, it'll just show up in the local use tab 22:41 wajasu i was thinking that msaby's facet config UI for YAML could be put in that table. the custom UI would be "secure" and not "free form YAML" 22:40 wizzyrea do they have expiration dates set? 22:39 wizzyrea bag, perchance on your very slow borrowers with restrictions 22:39 pianohacker wajasu: What do you mean by the second part? 22:38 eythian I don't _think_ so. 22:38 wajasu is there such a thing as a syspref that is "hidden" from the staff editor? so one could write YAML config there with some custom UI. 22:30 pianohacker hi cait 21:51 bag ah is that john__ = john crockett 21:50 bag ah JohnC came and left 21:40 cait hi bag :) 21:39 bag hiya cait 21:39 * cait waves 21:39 nancyk Hi 21:39 bag heya nancyk 21:39 bag hey JohnC do you have skype in your office 21:38 bag what's up man 21:38 bag ah there he is JohnC 21:36 eythian might have to point that out to some of our libraries. 21:36 eythian http://www.biblibre.com/en/tags/did-you-know <-- hey, this is pretty good. 21:35 magnuse oops 21:35 magnuse ah 21:34 eythian at leaving messages for 'eythian:' rather than 'eythian' :) 21:33 magnuse huh? 21:14 eythian magnuse is the main offender :) 21:14 eythian handy 21:13 huginn bag: --update $lang ; done during the packages update 21:13 bag @more 21:13 huginn bag: comment on some other bug, Sent 50 weeks, 1 day, 14 hours, and 28 minutes ago: <magnuse> my original comment was on http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9918, Sent 48 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, and 45 minutes ago: <tcohen> take a look at bug 10084, and Sent 48 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, and 23 minutes ago: <tcohen> we could do smth like for lang in $(koha-translate --list) ; do koha-translate (1 more message) 21:13 bag @more 21:13 nengard 2 YEARS??? 21:13 huginn bag: year, 1 week, 0 days, 10 hours, and 27 minutes ago: <magnuse> do you happen to have any opinions on Bug 9749?, Sent 1 year, 0 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, and 46 minutes ago: <magnuse> if you should happen to feel like fixing bug 9890 i'll sign off in ~15 hours :-), Sent 50 weeks, 1 day, 14 hours, and 35 minutes ago: <magnuse> i did not report a bug for the version in build-git-snapshot, i just added it as a (2 more messages) 21:13 bag @more 21:13 huginn nengard: Sent 4 years, 6 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, and 42 minutes ago: <chris_n> I submitted a patch for the docbook documentation correcting some invalid markup 21:13 nengard @notes nengard: 21:13 huginn bag: Sent 2 years, 48 weeks, 2 days, 6 hours, and 42 minutes ago: <cait> forget everything before and answer that question: Is there a bug for the accounting rewrite to which I can link bugs as 2696 Fine payments should show whatwas paid for, Sent 1 year, 9 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, and 51 minutes ago: <magnuse> kia ora! any news on the funding for the images from multiple sources thing? just curious... :-), Sent 1 (3 more messages) 21:13 bag @notes eythian: 21:13 nengard eeek ... and i forget how to find those 21:13 huginn bag: Error: I have no notes for that nick. 21:13 bag @notes eythian 21:12 huginn bag: kmkale:, kyleh, LadyNight32, lducos, magnus, magnus_waffles, manguse, member:libsysguy, mtj:, mtompset:, mtompsett,, mveron, NCAR, nenegard, nengard:, nicole, Oak, Oak:, oleonard:, owen:, paul_p,, paul_p:, rangi:, santy,, Schuster:, sekjal:, seneca:, sjeffrey, slef:, tchoen, tcohen:, thd-away, Viktor:, whoever, wizzrea, wizzyrea,, and wizzyrea:. 21:12 bag @more 21:12 huginn bag: I currently have notes waiting for #koha, bag:, bgkriegel, bgkriegel:, Brooke:, cait,, cait., cait:, ccurry, chris_c, chris_n,, chris_n:, christ, cindy, Culiforg:, dcook,, dpavlin:, drofj, drojf:, druthb_away, druthb_away:, eythian:, Genji:, gmcharlt:, hackfesters, hdl:, hdl_laptop:, http://www.ub.uni-dortmund.de/listen/inetbib/msg48204.html, jcamins:, juan-siera, kf,, khall, khall:, khall_away, km_kale, (1 more message) 21:12 bag @notes 21:12 bag cait that's cause the note is really for user = eythian: not eythian 21:11 bag eythian: it's @more 21:11 cait it didn't change after delivering the notices 21:11 cait hm 21:11 eythian I want to see my three other messages :/ 21:10 huginn eythian: Error: I have no notes for that nick. 21:10 eythian @notes help 21:10 huginn eythian: I currently have notes waiting for #koha, bag:, bgkriegel, bgkriegel:, Brooke:, cait,, cait., cait:, ccurry, chris_c, chris_n,, chris_n:, christ, cindy, Culiforg:, dcook,, dpavlin:, drofj, drojf:, druthb_away, druthb_away:, eythian:, Genji:, gmcharlt:, hackfesters, hdl:, hdl_laptop:, http://www.ub.uni-dortmund.de/listen/inetbib/msg48204.html, jcamins:, juan-siera, kf,, khall, khall:, khall_away, (1 more message) 21:10 eythian @notes 21:10 huginn eythian: Sent 2 years, 48 weeks, 2 days, 6 hours, and 39 minutes ago: <cait> forget everything before and answer that question: Is there a bug for the accounting rewrite to which I can link bugs as 2696 Fine payments should show whatwas paid for, Sent 1 year, 9 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, and 48 minutes ago: <magnuse> kia ora! any news on the funding for the images from multiple sources thing? just curious... :-), (3 more messages) 21:10 eythian @notes eythian: 21:10 wahanui salut, eythian 21:10 eythian hi 20:43 cait nothing? :) 20:39 cait ... what would be fun doing with them? 20:39 cait say i was doing this 2 day koha workshop for librarians 20:39 cait ok 20:26 wizzyrea heheh 20:18 jcamins Completely right either way, of course. 20:18 jcamins It was so much better without context. 20:18 * jcamins is disappointed. 20:17 jcamins Right. 20:17 jcamins Ohhh. 20:17 wizzyrea screen. 20:17 jcamins wizzyrea: huh? I think there must be some bizarre and interesting context for that statement. 20:14 wizzyrea scream. that's a freudian slip. 20:14 wizzyrea more like "you must put everything on one scream because this daycare mom with 15 children can't be away from my desk fast enough" 20:03 talljoy back 19:25 rangi ok, off to take the kids to school 19:23 mtompset which is why I suggested axing the fix to history. 19:23 mtompset And that takes extra time. 19:22 mtompset The one I haven't tested, because I have to do retro-testing to properly test it. 19:22 mtompset That was probably with respect to the one line of code that was wrong on that one patch. :) 19:10 huginn cait: Sent 1 week, 2 days, 5 hours, and 12 minutes ago: <mtompset> Thanks for the clarification. 19:10 cait @notes cait. 19:10 huginn cait: Sent 1 year, 20 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, and 50 minutes ago: <magnuse> the sushi wasn't any good anywat ;-), Sent 1 year, 19 weeks, 6 days, 10 hours, and 21 minutes ago: <magnuse> looks like my permissions for nb-NO 3.10 are still not quite right, and Sent 9 weeks, 1 day, 11 hours, and 48 minutes ago: <dcook> Yep 19:10 cait @notes cait: 19:10 huginn cait: Error: I have no notes for that nick. 19:10 cait @notes cait 19:09 huginn cait: Sent 2 years, 13 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, and 6 minutes ago: <Oak> sent you mail :) as usual, check your spam folder. and Sent 4 weeks, 1 day, 10 hours, and 57 minutes ago: <ashimema> any idea's why bug 8962 got left behind.. I'm looking to do similar, but wondered whether the history meant anything. 19:09 cait @notes cait, 19:09 huginn cait: Error: I have no notes for that nick. 19:09 cait @notes cait,, 19:08 francharb o/ magnuse 19:03 magnuse hiya francharb 19:00 huginn bag: Error: I have no notes for that nick. 19:00 bag @notes help 19:00 huginn bag: Sent 1 minute ago: <magnuse> HI 19:00 bag @notes bag: 18:59 huginn bag: I currently have notes waiting for #koha, bag:, bgkriegel, bgkriegel:, Brooke:, cait,, cait., cait:, ccurry, chris_c, chris_n,, chris_n:, christ, cindy, Culiforg:, dcook,, dpavlin:, drofj, drojf:, druthb_away, druthb_away:, eythian:, Genji:, gmcharlt:, hackfesters, hdl:, hdl_laptop:, http://www.ub.uni-dortmund.de/listen/inetbib/msg48204.html, jcamins:, juan-siera, kf,, khall, khall:, khall_away, km_kale, (1 more message) 18:59 bag @notes 18:58 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 18:58 magnuse @later tell bag: HI 18:57 bag @tell magnuse HI 18:57 magnuse :-) 18:57 bag time I wish I had it too :) 18:56 magnuse bag: it probably will, but i don't have the time to do much experimenting right now 18:56 rangi but it should be a good speedup in cgi and plack 18:55 bag I have no clue - haven't tested that with plack 18:55 rangi you want to be sure you dont somehow miss a checkout 18:55 rangi id test that pretty hard in staging first 18:54 bag and see if that speeds up even more 18:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable 18:54 bag magnuse: you should add this too Bug 11703 18:54 magnuse they felt the speedup on checkin was better than on checkout 18:54 * cait goes to put groceries away 18:54 cait that makes sense :) 18:53 magnuse cait: plack was fast! 18:53 rangi checkin cait 18:53 cait magnuse: now i am confused, which was faster? 18:52 mtompset oh, because the perl is waiting on a Zconn that never returns? 18:52 bag magnuse: iirc http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/flock.html 18:52 rangi its mostly harmless, just messy 18:52 rangi instead of the connection being torn down when perl process ends 18:52 magnuse yeah, that seems to make sense 18:51 magnuse perl will never die! 18:51 rangi so have to wait for the timeouts 18:51 rangi because the perl doesnt die 18:51 * bag hears the lovely music of a flock of zebras 18:51 mtompset magnuse: It's daemon that spawns it, so I don't think the problem is zebra. 18:51 rangi magnuse: there will be more 18:51 * magnuse has no clue what flock is 18:51 magnuse bag: a flock of zebras? 18:51 bag or I'm missing the point (which happens) 18:50 magnuse but there was more of these than i expected: 1049 17770 0.0 0.3 100336 6652 ? S 19:33 0:00 zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/sites/hylte2/koha-conf.xml (which looks like a healthy zebra to me) 18:50 bag maybe that would help? 18:50 bag magnuse: we use flock on zebra -z 18:50 rangi 'you must put everything on this one screen cos i grew up with crappy ils software and you must replicate it' 18:50 bag heh just kidding 18:50 mtompset Should you even have a heard of zebras? 18:50 bag checkout does do too much - but we can always add more right :P 18:50 rangi down even 18:50 magnuse (as part of output from "ps aux | grep zebrasrv") 18:49 rangi all done to librarians who hate clicking 18:49 rangi thats a pet peeve of mine 18:49 rangi checkout does too much 18:49 magnuse well, a couple times i have seen this: 1049 14139 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z 13:31 0:04 [zebrasrv] <defunct> 18:49 magnuse bag: probably 18:48 magnuse cait: "check in was fast, check out quite fast" 18:48 bag sorry a little late to the convo - magnuse "i had nagios reporting more zebras than expected" was that the -z zebras? 18:47 cait magnuse: what did they say about performance? 18:45 bag eythian++ 18:45 magnuse eythian++ 18:45 rangi eythian is going to be looking into this i think 18:45 rangi this is why having yaz-proxy between koha and zebra would make this a lot nicer 18:44 rangi that makes sense, timing out 18:44 magnuse i think they have been coming and going, but maybe lingering a bit before going away 18:42 rangi magnuse: it will spawn more zebras as things connect, but they should go away 18:41 rangi cos its doing the staff side normally too 18:41 jcamins Apparently the reason I encountered that bug is that I had manually run Zebra rather than using the daemon script for some reason. 18:41 rangi apache2 18:41 bag rangi: is that with apache2 or nginx? 18:41 bag yeah we've had washoe running opac starman for awhile now too - the only problem we have is with the rss rewrite 18:41 magnuse so something is happening there 18:40 magnuse i had nagios reporting more zebras than expected 18:40 rangi we dont end up with a bunch of zebra 18:40 jcamins magnuse: yeah, the <defunct> one is a zombie. 18:40 rangi (opac only) 18:39 rangi library.nzica.com has been running under plack for months now 18:39 magnuse <defunct> looks suspicious? 18:39 huginn bag: I have not seen jcrockett. 18:39 bag @seen jcrockett 18:39 rangi interesting, looks like something in the staff side then 18:39 huginn bag: I have not seen crockett. 18:39 bag @seen crockett 18:39 magnuse rangi: yes 18:39 bag magnuse: HI 18:39 rangi magnuse: and that's with the patch fixing zconn? 18:38 jcamins Dyrcona: ah, that's why I was confused. 18:38 wahanui bidet, magnuse 18:38 magnuse bag: HI 18:38 Dyrcona jcamins: Think they'll both say Z depending on options. 18:38 bag hmm I forgot his irc name 18:37 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "a heard of zebras after running with plack in production for a day" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/190 18:37 huginn bag: I have not seen johnc. 18:37 bag @seen johnc 18:37 wahanui one of them is bound to have a good idea ;) 18:37 jcamins One of them. 18:37 jcamins Or maybe it's top that says 'Z' 18:36 jcamins magnuse: ps says 'Z' 18:36 rangi how'd the experiment go? 18:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8908 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Starman/Plack hangs when faced with zombie Zebra 18:36 magnuse ref bug 8908 18:36 rangi i havent bumped into one 18:36 rangi server up, not answering any connections 18:35 magnuse how do i recognize a zombie zebra, if i meet one? 18:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11592 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Passed QA , opac scripts do not respect MARC tag visibility 18:03 mtompset (bug 11592) 18:03 mtompset dcook: You didn't publish your comments. 17:36 * wahanui will provide the bananas! 17:36 mtompset Split? 17:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7567 enhancement, P3, ---, mtompset, Passed QA , News by Library: refactor, enhance, and fix 17:33 mtompset oleonard++ # thanks for the catch on bug 7567. 17:33 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 17:30 pianohacker hi cait 17:30 cait hi pianohacker :) 17:27 pianohacker Hi alex! :) 17:27 atheia 'allo pianohacker 17:12 pianohacker hi rhcl 17:11 rhcl hola pianohacker 17:06 pianohacker hallo 17:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11906 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Bad display of utf-8 chars in Patron lists (Datatable) 17:01 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11906: ensure that Koha::Database uses UTF8 mode when connecting to databases 17:01 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11906: regression test for using DBIC to store & fetch UTF8 strings 17:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1674: SUCCESS in 2 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1674/ 16:40 reiveune bye 16:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11906 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Bad display of utf-8 chars in Patron lists (Datatable) 16:38 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11906: ensure that Koha::Database uses UTF8 mode when connecting to databases 16:38 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11906: regression test for using DBIC to store & fetch UTF8 strings 16:38 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #400: SUCCESS in 58 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/400/ 16:37 bag :P 16:37 bag HA!!! 16:37 meliss singing? 16:36 bag singing in meliss 16:36 bag thanks meliss 16:34 meliss sure 16:34 bag can we skype 16:34 bag you on the phone? 16:34 bag hey meliss 16:26 gaetan_B bye ! 16:20 bag morning all you alls 16:15 cait oleonard++ 16:10 cait i think we haven't cleaned up all yet 16:09 cait i think you want to make sure it uses transactions if it's a db_dependent one 16:09 atheia Fab, I'll check that out for starters :) 16:09 cait hmm not sure it's ice, but reserves.t has grown a bit recently 16:09 atheia Off the top of your heads, does anyone know a nice reference set of unit tests that I could use to get an idea of good standards? 15:59 cait or a 13 instead of a 15? 15:58 cait an XX left in the pdatedatabase? 15:54 drojf (must have been a different database number for 3.12, don't remember it though) 15:53 drojf i am getting an endless loop of updatedatabase.pl upgrading to 3.15.00.026, web installer asking to upgrade from 3.15.00.025 to 3.15.00.026 and so on. any ideas why that is happening? (i had the same with my own package of 3.12.12 while 3.12.11 works fine) 15:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #400 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:40 huginn 04Bug 11232: new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra 15:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra 15:40 wahanui the facets are drawn from the records in the search results and are being worked on in bug 11232: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232 15:40 cait and the facets... 15:39 cait my navigtion keeps showing up in weird places - opacnav 15:39 cait *sigh* 15:35 oleonard yui-- 15:35 oleonard I'll join that pile-on 15:34 cait yui-- 15:03 cait hah! IE and firefox look the same! 15:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #1674 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 14:49 cait ... and it's trickx 14:49 cait just trying to make a koha opac look like another website 14:49 cait thx 14:49 cait lol 14:46 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11906: ensure that Koha::Database uses UTF8 mode when connecting to databases <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=05a6beba9f023f87d3355b6e72f35b220cd691b0> / Bug 11906: regression test for using DBIC to store & fetch UTF8 strings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b21d16ca75bb40371773d3008fcb06c67200ab36> 14:34 oleonard At least I thought I saw that in the docs, now I don't. Might take some Googling. 14:33 ashimema maybe even add it to the wiki if I work it out. 14:33 ashimema cool.. I'll have a bash at it.. 14:32 ashimema I try to do as little template customisation as possible now.. those css and js sysprefs are awesome. 14:32 oleonard ashimema: The DataTables documentation does include examples of triggering a sort through alternate means, so that might be a place to start. 14:31 magnuse tabcomplete++ 14:31 oleonard ashimema: I have never tried that. 14:31 ashimema a is nowhere near o on my keyboard.. how did that typo creep in 14:31 magnuse gerundio: i think there is, but i have never used them 14:30 ashimema oleonard.. even 14:30 gerundio maybe I'm completely off here, let me know if I am 14:30 ashimema ooh.. oleanard. Happen to know if there's a way to re-order datatables upon intial page load via IntranetUserJS syspref? 14:30 gerundio in there any way to import authorities from the biblio records? 14:30 gerundio I was asked to populate author and subject authorities 14:29 gerundio the way I see it, the information for our authorities is already in our biblio records 14:29 gerundio I don't have any knowledge of authorities whatsoever, so I have some basic doubts 14:28 gerundio magnuse, I have 14:27 magnuse ooh, space gifs! 14:27 magnuse gerundio: not me, but have you looked at http://manual.koha-community.org/3.14/en/catauthorities.html ? 14:27 * oleonard hands cait all his old <font> and <table> tags, with a few spacer gifs thrown in. 14:26 huginn magnuse: Karma for "css" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2. 14:26 magnuse @karma css 14:26 gerundio anyone around to help me understand authorities in Koha and how to set them up? 14:25 gerundio hi, good afternoon 14:25 * oleonard comforts css 14:25 oleonard I'm sure she didn't mean it ashimema. 14:23 ashimema css-- ? 14:20 magnuse feels like i'm missing something obvious here... how do i a print a check in receipt? 14:09 oleonard :P 14:08 cait css-- 14:08 cait marcelr++ 14:04 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 12.1°C (9:00 AM CDT on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Falling). 14:04 rhcl @wunder 64507 14:04 rhcl morning 14:03 francharb hi 13:59 * magnuse has an electrical chainsaw - does that count? 13:17 oleonard Not with that beard. 13:15 NateC yeah id probably fall into that category too 13:12 oleonard Of course he may just look like someone who's likely to accidentally kill himself with a chainsaw ;) 13:11 NateC nice 13:11 NateC ince 13:11 NateC HA 13:10 oleonard My father-in-law went to buy a chainsaw and they told him he didn't want a chainsaw--they're too dangerous. 13:09 NateC but i really need to buy a chainsaw now... 13:09 oleonard :D 13:08 NateC i even grew a beard for it :) 13:08 NateC i felt like i was on the show Ax Men 13:08 NateC that i did 13:08 oleonard Yeah but I bet you felt really manly doing it. 13:07 NateC it was interesting 13:07 NateC yeah and I had nothing but a hand saw and a Jeep with a plow to clear it 13:07 oleonard Yikes 13:07 NateC i had a 30 ft tree fall across the driveway yesterday 13:07 NateC and really cold temps 13:06 NateC nope just crazy wind 13:06 wahanui You are not the first to ask that question 13:06 oleonard NateC: You? 13:06 NateC heh 13:06 oleonard We got a little bit on Tuesday, just enough to make us all feel depressed but not enough to stick. 13:05 NateC oleonard did you guys get hit with the snow? 12:56 JesseM Hi cait 12:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11702 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Can't specify date for automatic resumption of suspended hold 12:49 oleonard gmcharlt are you still interested in investigating bug 11702 or is it a moot point now? 12:42 edveal hi cait 12:41 cait hi edveal and JesseM :) 12:38 edveal morning all 12:38 NateC morning edveal! 12:36 JesseM Morning Barton 12:35 barton morning jessem! 12:32 nengard :) 12:32 nengard hola 12:32 magnuse howdy nengard 12:32 nlegrand ^^ 12:32 barton morning nengard! 12:30 barton oy oy oy. 12:27 magnuse oy! 12:25 nlegrand Oi! 12:18 barton so many librarians, so little time ;-) 12:17 barton heh. 12:17 oleonard Hi barton, those librarians keeping you busy? 12:15 barton morning oleonard! 12:15 oleonard Hi #koha 12:12 barton chris_n: I liked your 'Coyote finally caught me' message. :-) 12:08 * barton wonders if anyone else saw the dbus errors... 12:07 barton hey, it worked! 12:07 huginn barton: The current temperature in Louisville Bowman, Kentucky is 3.0°C (7:53 AM EDT on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Falling). 12:07 barton @wunder lou 12:06 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 6.0°C (1:00 PM CET on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Rising). 12:06 magnuse @wunder boo 12:06 barton temp conversion is hard to do in your head... 12:05 * barton likes chris_n's quit message. 12:04 cait true :) 12:04 NateC i guess i need to go back! 12:04 * cait doesn't have any feelings for fahrenheit 12:04 NateC yeah when we were in NZ for a month i started to get the swing of it but now its lost 12:02 barton that's the one thing I never got the hang of in metric... I can handle metric lengths and volumes and such, but temp. is such an intuitive thing... I know what 70F feels like, but I don't have a feeling for anything other than 0C. 12:01 NateC far from optimal 12:00 huginn NateC: The current temperature in Redding, Connecticut is -5.5°C (8:00 AM EDT on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Rising). 12:00 NateC @weather 06896 11:59 meliss if not colder natec 11:59 NateC really? damn it must be that here then 11:59 barton cait, *definitely* correct. 11:59 meliss my thermometer says it's currently 17 F 11:59 NateC no 30 F 11:59 cait not 30 celsius, right? 11:59 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.4°C (12:55 PM CET on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 11:59 cait @wunder Konstanz 11:58 barton I hear you there, natec! 11:57 NateC its like 30 degrees here I'm so ready for spring 11:57 NateC hey cait! 11:57 cait hi NateC :) 11:57 NateC i like it 11:56 * barton thinks that we might as well do our morning introductions in #koha ;-) 11:56 NateC morning #koha! 11:56 NateC mornign barton! 11:56 barton morning natec! 11:55 meliss good morning barton 11:55 barton morning meliss! 11:54 barton morning cait! 11:54 cait hi barton 11:52 barton good morning #koha! 10:52 drojf nope. i am connected to that particular wifi right now, it will be of use later ;) 10:52 cait ah, it still won't hurt 10:52 drojf had to reboot for other reasons ;) 10:52 drojf :D 10:51 drojf hi cait 10:51 huginn cait: Karma for "wifi" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. 10:51 cait @karma wifi 10:51 cait hi drojf 10:51 drojf hi #koha 10:50 cait wifi-- 10:25 cait Joubu++ 10:16 magnuse maybe... :-) 10:15 gaetan_B thanks magnuse, such a long in discussion bug for this point strongly indicates i should leave it as it is !! 10:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nunyo, In Discussion , Make it possible to force 001 = biblionumber 10:14 magnuse gaetan_B: see also bug 9921 10:06 cait but hard to tell 10:06 cait the bilbionumber is such a central thing... i would be worried about side effects 10:06 cait that could be moved around... but not a quick and easy thing 10:05 cait and for us it would not work - because we have a 001 from the union catalog 10:05 gaetan_B but i am afraid of the blow up :D 10:05 gaetan_B changing the index would be ok 10:05 cait and you'd have to change the index as well 10:05 gaetan_B so a library that want sto have this consistent has to enter it manually in 001 i guess 10:05 cait well it might work, but it might blow up badly 10:05 gaetan_B hm 10:05 cait yes 10:03 gaetan_B is it a problem to change this setting ? 10:03 gaetan_B in marc21, the biblionumber is linked to 999$c, but according to the standard it should be in field 001 10:03 gaetan_B hello 10:01 atheia good morning 10:01 atheia :-) 10:01 cait hi atheia even 10:01 cait hi ateh 09:54 magnuse opl doing cool stuff: http://vimeo.com/68687814 powered by rdf 09:26 magnuse hiya atheia 09:15 atheia Morning koha! 09:07 magnuse i'll remember that advice - sleep well! 09:06 * rangi is going to sleep 09:06 rangi good luck .. if you get more network type errors i would put the staff side behind a webserver 09:02 magnuse the main library opens now... 08:59 magnuse not sure, i've asked viktor to clarify 08:58 rangi where is the error coming from staff or public interface? 08:57 magnuse yeah, this is sort of a quick and dirty test day, because they are desperate for more speed... 08:56 rangi just fyi 08:56 rangi yeah id never do that 08:56 magnuse staff is not behind a webserver for this test 08:55 magnuse the opac is baing proxied by apache 08:55 cait andn ow... i have a meeting 08:55 * cait loves to see the cooperation on this and the zebra facets :) 08:55 magnuse yeah, in the browser 08:54 rangi and plack is behind a proper webserver like nginx or apache2 eh? 08:53 rangi does he get that message in the brwser, cos that sounds like a client side error 08:52 * magnuse is trying to push plack support forwards 08:51 magnuse Viktor reports an "kCFErrorDomainCFNetwork error 303" error when he tries to access koha running under plack with safari on a mac. anyone else seen that? 08:51 ashimema magnuse++ 08:51 ashimema that's great to see 08:51 ashimema plack testing is really moving again now.. 08:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12005 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Zebra searches sometimes fail silently under Plack 08:38 magnuse bug 12005 08:34 * magnuse will report one 08:34 magnuse as far as i can see there is no bug for the zconn thing 08:30 rangi and it doesnt need a zombie process 08:29 rangi this doesnt leave the browser spinning 08:29 magnuse ah 08:29 cait something for eythian maybe? 08:28 rangi different bug 08:28 rangi nope 08:25 magnuse hehe 08:25 wahanui I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! 08:25 magnuse rangi? 08:25 cait i just fell over it 08:25 cait i don't knwo :) 08:23 magnuse i don't think so 08:23 magnuse hm, is that the same thing? 08:23 cait is that the bug? 08:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8908 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Starman/Plack hangs when faced with zombie Zebra 08:23 wahanui bug 8908 is where I reported it, but I don't see a patch. 08:23 cait bug 8908 08:20 rangi exactly 08:20 magnuse rangi: and if the zconn fails you will just get 0 hits? i think i saw that once yesterday 08:20 cait hi magnuse and paul_p 08:20 magnuse kia ora cait and paul_p 08:18 wahanui i heard germs was http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg 08:18 huginn GERMS!!!! 08:13 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (8:50 AM CET on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady). 08:13 magnuse @wunder boo 08:13 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. 08:13 magnuse @wunder nimes, france 08:13 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. 08:13 magnuse @wunder nimes 08:12 fridolin nice weather here in Nîmes, blue sky 08:12 fridolin hie magnuse 08:11 magnuse bonjour fridolin 08:11 fridolin hie all 08:08 rangi yep 08:08 magnuse and it fixes both intranet and opac, since it is in C4/Context.pm? 08:08 magnuse yeah 08:07 rangi (which is what happends under cgi anyway) 08:07 * magnuse seems to remember now :-) 08:07 magnuse ah yes, you said it reconnect for each search 08:07 rangi so that it makes a new connection for each search 08:07 rangi yep 08:07 magnuse ...and it's really just commenting stuff out? 08:06 rangi thats a slapdash fix 08:05 rangi yep 08:04 magnuse rangi: i forget - is it this patch? http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=459c750e4b0aa0fe5dba601e423e78070383b97b;hp=2c9581f75fdb1f76e60c83f86e253cb4dfe04597 07:57 alex_a bonjour 07:42 magnuse known bugs > unknown bugs 07:41 rangi eythian found a couple more bugs, but thats about the nastiest one 07:40 wahanui hi, reiveune 07:40 reiveune hello 07:40 magnuse ah no, i did not do that, yet 07:36 rangi just says no results found 07:36 rangi because it doesnt log the failure 07:36 marcelr hi #koha 07:36 rangi unless it fails for you 07:36 rangi and you wont notice 07:35 rangi searches will definitely randomly fail unless you have 07:35 rangi did you fix zconn ? 07:33 * magnuse wonders if the "use koha under plack for one day in production" experiment will blow up spectacularly or just silently succeed 07:27 cait hi rangi 07:27 magnuse kia ora rangi 07:26 rangi evening 07:22 magnuse ah, cool :-) 07:21 sophie_m I'm not really there, I don't work on thursdays, but I connect to read after 07:20 sophie_m hello magnuse 07:20 magnuse bonjour sophie_m - you are early! 07:16 * magnuse waves 07:13 cait cangaroo? 07:13 cait :) 07:12 dcook Uncle David is going to go enjoy his evening thinking up presents to send his nephew in America. Not sure a boomerang is infant appropriate, but I'm sure I'll think of something. 07:12 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back. 07:12 dcook night all 06:52 dcook Although advance_notice does default to issue_date when it should probably use due_date instead by default... 06:52 dcook You can ignore everything I just said :) 06:50 dcook Wait, the numbers are merging together...lol 06:50 cait different from due date 06:50 cait lastreneweddate is the date of the renewal - do you mean that? 06:50 cait ? 06:49 dcook Unless there is a bug and due_date should match lastrenewdate... 06:47 dcook You can change this to due_date, but if you're renewing an item...it won't show lastrenewdate, it will show due_date 06:47 dcook By default, advance_notices shows "issue_date" :S 06:46 dcook or all the things 06:46 wahanui somebody said the issues table was not used on displaying item. 06:46 dcook Or the issues table 06:46 dcook Hmm, I think I just noticed a flaw in advance_notices 06:14 eythian will do, ta :) 06:12 cait so have anice evening :) 06:12 cait ah 06:08 eythian for now, just writing some emails before I go. 06:04 cait still around? 06:04 cait hi eythian :) 06:04 eythian hi cait 06:04 cait bgkriegel++ 05:27 dcook mtompset (wherever you are): That is rather amusing 05:27 dcook +ok($keycount2==0,'The YOLO framework does not exist.'); 03:22 jmsasse Words to live by, people, words to live by. 03:15 jmsasse "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women" 03:14 jmsasse "Conan, what is best in life?" 03:12 jmsasse The governor of California, of course 03:09 dcook Hey, Benedict, or Schwarzenegger, jmsasse? 03:06 jmsasse I only live by Arnold quotes 03:06 bag :P 03:06 huginn bag: Error: There is no Quote with id #12 in my database for #bywater. 03:06 bag @quote get #bywater 12 03:05 huginn bag: Error: There is no command "quote". 03:05 bag @help quote 03:04 wizzyrea hrmph. 03:04 huginn wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 03:04 wizzyrea @quote help 03:04 * dcook wishes that you could symlink geographic locations... 03:04 dcook Or vice versa. Get to the west coast Leonards! 03:03 * dcook wishes that his timezone was closer to oleonard's :( 03:03 dcook lol, love #234 03:03 huginn eythian: (quote get [<channel>] <id>) -- Gets the quote with id <id> from the quote database for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. 03:03 eythian @quote get 03:03 huginn eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 03:03 eythian @quote 03:03 huginn eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 03:03 eythian @quote help 03:03 huginn bag: Error: 'max-num' is not a valid id. 03:03 bag @quote get max-num 03:02 bag HA 03:02 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #234: "<oleonard> I was just reading the logs because I didn't know where else to go to find out what to do with an extra half an avacado" (added by slef at 12:59 AM, March 01, 2013) 03:02 wizzyrea @quote get 234 03:02 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #245: "<jcamins> Noooooooooooo!!!! wahanui! Cut down in the prime of life!" (added by gmcharlt at 11:07 PM, May 02, 2013) 03:02 wizzyrea @quote get 245 03:02 wizzyrea just lucky :) 03:02 bag anyways worked out well :) 03:01 bag like rangi were you saving that - for the 123rd quote? 03:01 bag is it just weird that quote is the most useful one and it's the easier to remember.... 123... 03:00 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 03:00 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 03:00 wizzyrea @quote get 123 02:59 dcook Couldn't agree more, jmsasse 02:59 jmsasse IndependentBranches syspref is too restrictive 02:58 jmsasse (putting on my serious hat) staff patron permissions are a big deal 02:56 wizzyrea well we have at least 2 instances of it now 02:55 wizzyrea oh stink for him. 02:54 bag but he lost internet for most of today... so he was out of commision 02:54 bag I'm seeing if I can find them now 02:54 bag larry's got a bunch of notes on it 02:54 bag so we've only got a very small sample - very small of the problem 02:53 bag the good thing is that not many are "using"the double restriction yet 02:53 bag yup 02:52 rangi I suspect it has the same issue, as it was released yesterday 02:50 bag hopefully 02:50 bag jmsasse: it will be 3.14.5 02:45 rangi wizzyrea: the indexes were added in 3.14.3 ? 02:41 jmsasse :-) 02:39 jmsasse Um, I'm hoping next months bywater update is not to 3.14.04 02:38 rangi normally new indexes dont slow down selects tho, just updates/inserts 02:38 wizzyrea ^ was my next step 02:37 rangi run the query with explain, it will tell you 02:36 jmsasse Just sayin' 02:36 jmsasse I saw a documentary. 02:35 jmsasse Those boys in Colorado are serving up some serious buds. 02:35 bag we've seen the same thing as wizzyrea 02:35 wizzyrea but... 02:35 wizzyrea the only thing that seems remotely relevant are new indexes on the borrowers table 02:34 wizzyrea was in 3.14.0 but seems like it's just gotten slow in .04 02:34 wizzyrea yep, regarding the multiple debarred 02:34 rangi no 02:34 jmsasse Is marijuana legal in NZ? 02:29 rangi ah no, that came in in 3.14.0 the multiple debarred thing? 02:26 rangi how do we have a new feature in a maintenance release? 02:21 dcook Too bad about the slow down :( 02:20 dcook I like it :D 02:20 dcook "is jerk" 02:10 wizzyrea the way restrictions on borrowers are handled is different now, you can now have multiple restrictions, with user defined reasons. 02:08 jmsasse yeah, what is the "new restrictions engine"? 02:07 jmsasse I'm looking at demos of 3.14.01, 3.15, and my 3.12.10 and seeing very different things in set permissions. 02:05 bag wizzyrea: it you create the bug - I'll alert larryb to it and maybe he can add some of his findings 02:04 wizzyrea so that's useful 02:04 wizzyrea I don't think it was happening in 03 02:04 wizzyrea must be something new in 04 though 02:04 wizzyrea yeah it's quite extreme 02:04 dcook "new restrictions engine"? 02:04 bag like 30+ seconds for those with restrictions 02:04 wizzyrea thank you :) 02:04 wizzyrea bother. 02:04 bag yes ma'am 3.14.04 02:03 bag I don't know it he created the ticket yet 02:03 wizzyrea 3.14.04? 02:03 bag larryb spottted it 02:03 bag and we're still trying to test it 02:03 bag we saw it pop up last week 02:03 wizzyrea also hi bag ;) 02:03 wizzyrea is there a bug? 02:03 wahanui wizzyrea is, like, silly 02:03 bag yes wizzyrea 02:03 wizzyrea anybody heard of extreme slowness related to the new restrictions engine? 02:02 wizzyrea ^ 01:58 bag I think they do - do seperate things - like one allows you to even log into the staff side and the other allows you to be able to set staff permissions 01:54 jmsasse these appear to do the same thing. 01:54 jmsasse set permissions (permissions) vs. (staffaccess) 01:52 jmsasse bag, 3.14 seems to have introduced some redundancy in staff permissions. 01:51 jmsasse hello bag 01:51 bag yo* even :P 01:51 bag you eythian - great day to you dood 01:50 eythian hey bag 01:50 bag permissions jmsasse ? 01:50 bag hola jmsasse and mr rangi 01:47 jmsasse rangi, got a minute to discuss permissions? 01:36 jmsasse OK, thanks rangi. 01:31 rangi if its depends, it depends on the patches from another bug 01:31 rangi if its blocks, that mean the patches on the other bug depend on this one 01:30 jmsasse Foe 3.16, that is. 01:30 jmsasse Also, has gmcharlt announced feature and string freeze dates yet? 01:27 jmsasse If someone adds a block to a bz item, what does that mean. 01:25 jmsasse A great thawing. Not fast enough but it's a start. 01:24 wizzyrea sup sasse 01:23 jmsasse Hello community. 01:04 wizzyrea oh nm that wasn't your question 01:03 wizzyrea eythian^ 01:02 wizzyrea syspref changes are tracked in the actionlogs 00:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11671 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Restructure patron lists add form for improved usability 00:08 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 11671 - Restructure patron lists add form for improved usability 00:08 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1673: FIXED in 2 hr 22 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1673/ 00:08 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 00:08 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!