Time Nick Message 01:04 eythian > Useless use of '\'; doesn't escape metacharacter '(' at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm line 848. 01:04 eythian well that's a new one 01:05 wizzyrea O.o 01:19 talljoy back 01:20 wizzyrea no wai 01:45 wizzyrea dcook++ 01:45 eythian http://youtu.be/2iQ93L0jV6c 01:46 eythian https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/448268478337015809/photo/1 01:47 dcook \o/ 01:47 eythian I think you mean \m/, dcook. 01:47 wizzyrea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLd7-bXv8NA that makes me think of 01:48 dcook ethyian: I was referring to the karma, but can't go wrong with a little \m/ too 01:56 eythian ./installer/InstallAuth.pm 01:56 eythian that is not the right place for a .pm 01:57 eythian use Digest::MD5 qw(md5_base64); 01:57 eythian hrm 01:59 * wizzyrea blinks 03:25 eythian hmm, the "holds" column in the holds ratio report sorts lexographically rather than numerically. 03:26 eythian I suppose I should make bugs when I see things like that 03:35 dcook It's not real if you didn't see it? 03:38 eythian to late, I took a screenshot and opened a bug for it :) 03:38 eythian +o 03:38 dcook hehe 03:38 dcook eythian++ 03:39 * eythian notes that there's a large memory leak when you browse patrons by last name. 03:39 dcook Why yes, MARC. I totally want a code that could mean my record is either "an article in a single issue of a periodical, a chapter in a book, a band on a phonodisc, and a map on a single sheet that contains several maps." 03:39 eythian heh 03:40 eythian then you divide that space in half by setting an indicator on 123, but that might also mean that it's a robot service manual. 03:40 dcook lol 03:41 dcook Then you're exporting and that type isn't supported either 03:58 dcook I suppose in theory...if you have a leader position 7 of "a" or "b"...you could look up the parent via the 773 to see what leader position 6 it has... 03:58 dcook If it's "a", it probably should be a book chapter. If it's "s", it's probably a journal article. 03:58 dcook Given how "robust" that linking is, that sure makes sense. 04:00 mtompset eythian: What's the memory leak? Where? 04:00 eythian mtompset: I don't know. I'm exploring tools to help me find that kind of thing. 04:01 mtompset Well, lest I turn into a pumpkin, and in order to actually fit in my exercise regimen tomorrow. I shall leave now. :) 04:01 mtompset Have a great day, #koha eythian dcook wizzyrea. :) 04:01 dcook ta, mtompset 04:01 dcook I miss exercise... 04:06 dcook Just read through the RDA carrier, media, and content types... 04:06 dcook Not a journal article to be found 04:07 dcook Just "text" 04:08 dcook Hmm 04:08 dcook Apparently you can use the 336/337/338 fields with other vocabularies 04:09 dcook Although Dublin Core also provides the very helpful "text" 04:11 dcook http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/techdocs/genre.html 04:12 dcook This one has a term for baseball cards 04:57 dcook "RIS is a simple plain-text reference format. It is nearly universally supported by reference management software and journal databases. The official specification was last updated in 2001, so reading the format is complicated by the frequent divergences from the specification." 04:58 dcook "frequent divergences" 04:58 dcook So much that 05:01 cait sounds like a standard 05:01 dcook hehe 05:01 dcook heya cait 05:02 dcook Thomson Reuters claims to have updated the 'standard' in 2008/2009 05:02 dcook But I tell ya...looking at a range of RIS citations...they're highly variable across the board 05:02 dcook Even the documentation itself has lots of holes 05:02 cait :( 05:02 cait what do you need it for? 05:04 dcook Oh, I'm just looking at improving the RIS export, so I'm looking at how others are exporting with it 05:05 dcook Added a bit to make it export a TY of "JOUR" instead of "BOOK" if it has a leader position 07 of "a" or "b" 05:05 dcook Of course, that isn't a great options, as the record might be for a book chapter or something else, but...we make the assumption in other parts of Koha that it is a journal article, so...it's internally consistent at least 05:06 dcook Can't really blame Koha there. MARC really doesn't give enough information. 05:08 cait hm it can 05:08 cait i think, there is serial component part and monographic component part 05:08 cait in one of the fixed length fields... i always forget where 05:08 cait ldr? 05:09 dcook Nah, I don't think it means what it sounds like it means. 05:10 dcook FOr instance, the monographic component part can refer to "an article in a single issue of a periodical, a chapter in a book, a band on a phonodisc, and a map on a single sheet that contains several maps." 05:10 dcook The serial component part "is a regularly appearing column or feature in a periodical." 05:13 dcook But it's more likely to catalogue articles in a journal than chapters in a book, I suspect, so we get away with the assumption in the end. 05:14 dcook There are lots of clues in a record that can make a human realize it is a journal article or a book chapter, but they're often ruled by different vocabularies in different languages and it presents a bit of an overall nightmare 05:15 dcook Well, classification nightmare :p 05:15 dcook I won't actually be losing sleep over this one 05:25 cait hm 05:25 cait interesting 05:25 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 05:25 cait we don't use it like that 05:26 cait we use it like it sounds, which makes things a bit easier :) 05:27 dcook I would certainly hope so :) 05:28 dcook If cataloguing and programming have taught me anything over the past few years, it's that nothing is perfect. 05:29 cait well at least i think we use it like that... why is marc so complicated again? 05:29 dcook Very good question... 05:35 cait brb 07:13 * magnuse waves 07:16 * cait waves back 07:22 * magnuse waves back too 07:25 cait that will get an indefinite loop if we are not careful now 07:34 reiveune hello 07:46 fridolin hie all 07:46 magnuse bonjour reiveune et fridolin 07:46 fridolin bonjour magnuse 07:46 reiveune salut magnuse 07:49 alex_a bonjour 07:55 magnuse fridolin: is there a 3.14.5 right around the corner? 07:59 fridolin magnuse: yep, today 07:59 fridolin yesterday I was busy in marseille 08:00 magnuse fridolin: very cool! 08:01 fridolin since our college laurent is back, i will have more time for RM. I've subscribe to maintain it after 3.16 release 08:10 nlegrand1 hiya #koha! 08:10 nlegrand1 ho 08:16 huginn GERMS!!!! 08:16 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 08:16 cait wahanui, this is getting old :) 08:16 wahanui ...but this is the dawning of the age of Aquarius.... 08:25 nlegrand o/ cait 08:27 cait hi nlegrand 08:31 gaetan_B hello 08:31 wahanui hey, gaetan_B 08:43 cait dpavlin++ ashimema++ 08:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #24 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 08:44 ashimema cait.. your too quick 08:44 ashimema ;) 08:44 cait hm? 08:44 ashimema within 30 seconds of me signing off you'd commented here.. 08:45 ashimema very impressive response time ;) 08:45 cait ah, just coincidence 08:45 ashimema lol 08:45 ashimema I really, really want to tidy the Auth_with file... it's horrible to try and read 08:47 cait understandable 09:01 magnuse hiya petter 09:05 petter hei magnus! 09:06 ashimema morning all 09:13 atheia Morning koha! 09:13 magnuse g'day ashimema and atheia 09:14 cait morning atheia :) 09:25 cait logs 09:25 cait logs? 09:25 wahanui well, logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/ 10:24 gerundio good morning 10:25 gerundio where can I get more information about OpenSearch and RSS in Koha? 10:25 gerundio I only found this http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/APIs_and_protocols_supported_by_Koha 10:26 gerundio but there's nothing written about those 2 10:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #24: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x/24/ 10:27 jenkins_koha * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 11352: fix unexpected data loss issues with batch patron deletion/anonymization 10:27 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11018: allow adding order from a reverted MARC batch 10:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11352 critical, P3, ---, abl, Pushed to Stable , Batch Patron Deletion/Anonmyzation deletes more than warning states it will delete 10:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11018 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Add order from a reverted file 10:28 gerundio regarding RSS I see that opac-search can show results by using argument format=rss2 10:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #25 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 10:28 gerundio is there any documentation that details the available arguments for opac-search.pl? 10:58 cait gerundio: there are one or 2 system prefrences related to rss i think 10:59 cait not sure about more documentation 11:00 gerundio cait, just numSearchRSSResults 11:02 gerundio which would you say is the better way to provide results from our Koha installation for an aggregator, Z39.50 server? 11:03 cait probably easie 11:03 cait or SRU 11:03 cait and you get all the informaton on ar ecord 11:03 ashimema sru is nice 11:03 cait i can imagine the rss only has some of the data from the record 11:05 fridolin gmcharlt: as release maintainer, when pushing to 3.14.x, I set the BZ to "pushed to stable". Do I have to set also the "Version" combobox to 3.14 ? 11:07 magnuse and Z39.50 and SRU gives you more structured data than rss, i think 11:08 cait fridolin: probably too early for gmcharlt :) 11:09 cait i thin in the past we left it 11:09 cait but you still might want to check with him 11:09 cait I'd read it as the version the patch went into first, I think 11:15 gerundio I can't find much information regarding Z39.50 server and SRU usage in Koha either 11:15 cait i think you have to activate during installation and then it mostly just works 11:15 cait I haven't used it so far, just know that my coworker is very fond of Koha's SRU 11:16 gerundio I see some comments on koha-conf.xml 11:16 fridolin thanks cait 11:17 gerundio but can't quite figure it out 11:18 cait http://manual.koha-community.org/3.2/en/sru.html 11:19 gerundio I've read that too 11:20 gerundio so basically I have to open a new port, 9999 in the examples, and configure a new vhost for that, right? 11:20 cait i found this 11:20 cait To enable public Z39.50/SRU servers, you'll need to edit your koha-conf.xml and 11:20 cait change the <listen> options to listen on a TCP port; then restart the zebra daemon. 11:20 cait i think you don't need to change your apache config 11:21 cait hm or maybe this could be helpful: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2010-January/022288.html 11:23 gerundio thanks cait, add that page opened in a browser tab too :D 11:23 gerundio cait++ 11:23 gerundio had ^^ 11:36 gerundio cait, fyi, just uncommenting the two blocks in koha-conf.xml worked out fine 11:36 gerundio thanks for all the help 11:37 cait sure, glad it works 12:09 francharb morning 12:11 cait morning francharb 12:12 francharb o/ cait 12:15 oleonard Hi #koha 12:22 cait hi oleonard :) 12:33 gaetan_B bye 12:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #25: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x/25/ 12:42 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 11476: remove extra empty option from title pull-down in OPAC self-registration 12:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11476 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Opac self registration title pull down offers 2 empty options 12:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #26 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 13:27 rhcl @wunder 64507 13:27 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is -3.2°C (8:20 AM CDT on March 25, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Rising). 13:28 rhcl @wunder minot, nd 13:28 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Why Not Minot, Minot, North Dakota is -13.7°C (8:21 AM CDT on March 25, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -17.0°C. Windchill: -14.0°C. Pressure: 30.40 in 1029 hPa (Steady). 13:32 magnuse @wunder boo 13:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (2:20 PM CET on March 25, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 13:52 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 13:52 magnuse hiya mtompset 13:53 mtompset Greetings, magnuse. 13:54 oleonard Anyone know off the top of their heads how the patron self-registration feature chooses the next cardnumber to generate? 13:55 mtompset I should know this... 13:56 mtompset There's a function at the end of a C4 library... 13:56 mtompset that calls it... 13:57 mtompset AddMember_Opac 13:58 mtompset fixup_cardnumber? 13:58 wahanui fixup_cardnumber is probably okay, but it does no locking... and a second process could grab the same calculated number before AddMember is called. 13:58 mtompset Hmm... just reading code segments outloud. :) 14:00 oleonard Patron self registration seems to be creating incorrect passwords in master. I can't log in as the newly created patron using the password it shows me. 14:01 mtompset oleonard: Did you check the length of the password field in the database structure? 14:01 oleonard Why would I need to? 14:01 mtompset We roll our own, and I accidently skipped that upgrade. 14:02 mtompset and if the length is too short the hash gets cut off. 14:03 mtompset That broke one of our in-house enhancements. This is why I know about that. :) 14:03 oleonard Do you recall which update changed it? 14:04 mtompset The one that changed the password from MD5 to something else. 14:04 oleonard Bug 9611 14:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, RESOLVED FIXED, Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt 14:12 mtompset Was that the problem, oleonard? 14:14 oleonard Yes 14:16 cait oleonard-away: hm it did work for me when i tested recently on master 14:18 * mtompset cheers. 14:25 mtompset Greetings, cait. 14:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #26: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x/26/ 14:26 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 11473 - Fix log viewer template conditions 14:26 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 11473 - Remove boilerplate in log viewer template 14:26 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 11473 - Improve wording in log viewer template 14:26 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 11473 - add 'biblio' and 'item' to cataloguing logging info 14:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11473 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , View log template has malformed conditionals, and logging info incorrect/inconsistent/unexpected 14:26 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11473: (follow-up) ensure link to item is construct correctly 14:26 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11329: Check for MARC record existence in opac-showmarc 14:26 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11329: Check for MARC record existence in catalogue/showmarc 14:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11329 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Check for marc record in opac-showmarc 14:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #27 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 14:30 talljoy back 14:33 mtompset cait: Less is more. re 11846. :) 14:34 mtompset It makes testing harder, when you fix history. 14:35 mtompset It's all in comment 2. :) 14:55 jenkins_koha Starting build #395 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:56 mtompset How do you disbar someone again? 14:57 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11701: Fix C4::Context::Zconn <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b63f0d018ecaa6377124175142826658cb4dd05> / Bug 11701: (follow-up) move unit tests to t/db_dependent <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8205529683da0f934f4bdb26ccd54f05b8246d0a> / Bug 11701: Unit tests for C4::Context::Zconn <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fed353ed 15:01 mtompset Ah... okay, there. 15:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11939: set active currency for non-English sample data <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed10e5226cc8e9852dfee3f5520976695cb99412> / Bug 11939: set active currency when using English sample data <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a5c2d51819c193580a2bc42856215a9b7d3b9f8> 16:01 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #395: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/395/ 16:01 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 11701: Unit tests for C4::Context::Zconn 16:01 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11701: (follow-up) move unit tests to t/db_dependent 16:01 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 11701: Fix C4::Context::Zconn 16:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11701 normal, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Fix C4::Context::Zconn 16:06 mtompset YAY! I love to see patches I signed off make it into master. :) 16:07 jenkins_koha Starting build #396 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #27: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x/27/ 16:11 bag morning y'all 16:12 bag magnuse HI 16:12 cait morning bag 16:12 bag good morning cait 16:12 mtompset Afternoon, bag. :P 16:12 bag any peanut butter cups left? 16:12 bag I have the little chocolate bunny still intact on my desk :) 16:12 cait some peanut butter cups still left :) 16:12 bag I want to break my record this year. maybe 6 months this time until I eat it 16:13 cait but the number is going down too fast 16:13 bag let it age for a little git 16:13 cait heh 16:13 cait not sure if aging chocolate is really a thing 16:13 bag well next yeah I'll bring two bags :) 16:13 cait they mostly seemto advertise fresh chocolate... :) 16:13 cait ooh yum. 16:13 bag cait: maybe I'll start a new fad with aging chocolate 16:13 cait but they would be really heavy 16:13 cait bag: might be :) 16:14 cait i am trying to stick to a 5 each day rule... but it's not always working out 16:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #1670 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:14 bag HA that's a great goal cait 16:30 bag morning nengard 16:30 nengard good afternoon :) 16:30 nengard nearly 16:30 bag ah it's 0930 here 16:36 reiveune bye 16:39 mtompset bag, I figured. It's a timezone thing. It's 12:39 here now. 16:41 oleonard it's 12:40 here now. Updates will continue as the situation progresses. 16:55 cait http://www.zazzle.com/indexdata < someone wants a zebra mug? :) 16:59 mtompset So they can smash it in frustration? ;) 16:59 cait i was waiting for a comment like that :) 17:06 mtompset cait: Glad to oblige. :) 17:07 oleonard Get a Zebra onesie for your baby because babies too are confounding to configure correctly. 17:08 jcamins ::snrrk:: 17:08 jcamins oleonard++ 17:09 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #396: SUCCESS in 1 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/396/ 17:09 jenkins_koha * Zeno Tajoli: Bug 11939: set active currency when using English sample data 17:09 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11939: set active currency for non-English sample data 17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11939 minor, P5 - low, ---, z.tajoli, Pushed to Master , Sample of currencies with a working active value 18:20 cait hi #koha 18:23 pianohacker hi cait! 18:23 cait hm someon any idea why a ubuntu would suddenly stop playing any kind of sound? 18:23 cait hi pianohacker :) 18:23 pianohacker because you're in space! 18:24 cait got my message? 18:24 pianohacker cait: yup, just need to figure out a good time 18:24 cait yep 18:25 cait good time would be good :) 18:25 cait i am travelling from monday to wednesday next week 18:25 pianohacker cait: kk, what times (UTC) are you available for testing? 18:26 cait it depends 18:26 cait do we need a debian or can we make it work in ubuntu? 18:26 * magnuse gives his evening wave 18:26 cait by magnuse 18:26 cait bye 18:29 mtompset because you cross boot to mint? I'm not sure. 18:29 cait ? 18:29 magnuse hiya cait 18:29 * magnuse is coming, not leaving 18:31 mtompset you said you had a sound problem, cait. 18:31 cait oh 18:31 mtompset I recall some colleagues of mine who dual boot with mint had some issue like that. 18:32 magnuse cait: are you sure the sound is turned on? 18:32 cait magnuse: ... 18:32 cait pianohacker: still there? did you see my question? :) 18:33 jcamins cait: you might try restarting the audio daemon (pulseaudio?). 18:33 cait how? :) 18:33 magnuse kick it 18:34 jcamins magnuse: I almost said "kick pulseaudio," but I thought "restart" was a bit more clear. 18:34 jcamins And I have no idea. 18:34 jcamins I'd probably do `ps ax` and then start kill -HUP'ing things. 18:34 pianohacker llllllllllll 18:34 pianohacker woopsie 18:34 cait jcamins: you confuse me :) 18:35 magnuse there goes pianohacker's favourite password... 18:35 pianohacker hahahahaha 18:35 jcamins cait: I'd look for something that looked audio related, and kill -HUP those processes until the sound started working. 18:35 pianohacker cait: debian would probably be far easier 18:35 cait i already restarted the laptop twice since it stopped working... which worries me a bit 18:35 cait once the irc client mae a beep and that's it 18:35 pianohacker magnuse: You remember hackfest, it would be something more like llllllllllllllllllllll 18:36 cait pianohacker: the problem is, I have too much work for one week 18:36 magnuse ah, that's all right then :-) 18:36 magnuse yeah, they should make weeks longer 18:36 cait we might have to push it to thursday/friday next week and then i am gone for 2 weeks vacation 18:37 pianohacker cait: just bring your laptop on your vacation 18:37 cait that's ubuntu :) 18:40 cait pianohacker: so it's ubuntu or harder to find a date 18:40 pianohacker right... 18:40 pianohacker cait: I think we can make it work, we just need time and coffee 18:40 pianohacker let's try for ubuntu 18:40 cait I have to drink coffeee??? 18:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1670: SUCCESS in 2 hr 29 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1670/ 18:41 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 11701: Unit tests for C4::Context::Zconn 18:41 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11701: (follow-up) move unit tests to t/db_dependent 18:41 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 11701: Fix C4::Context::Zconn 18:41 jenkins_koha * Zeno Tajoli: Bug 11939: set active currency when using English sample data 18:41 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11939: set active currency for non-English sample data 18:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11701 normal, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Fix C4::Context::Zconn 18:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11939 minor, P5 - low, ---, z.tajoli, Pushed to Master , Sample of currencies with a working active value 18:42 cait jcamins: i can't find anything and what i killed didn't bring it back 18:44 jcamins cait: huh. Restarting audio-related processes always worked for me. 18:47 cait jcamins: probably didn#t find the right one? 18:48 * cait hope sit will repair itself 18:48 Brooke o/ 18:48 jcamins If you restart, all the daemons will be restarted. 18:48 pianohacker cait: if you try to listen to something, does pactl list clients show anything? 18:48 cait let me try 18:48 cait jcamins: i did restart twice... 18:48 cait the problem started this morning, i rebootet and then shut it down until i came back tonight 18:49 cait pianohacker: will try 18:49 jcamins Ah. What changed? 18:49 cait nooo idea 18:50 rangi magnuse: you about? 18:50 cait pianohacker: want me to paste? it does show banshee 18:51 cait which should be playing music right now... 18:51 pianohacker cait: nah, just wanted to make sure it had banshee 18:52 pianohacker cait: Try installing pavucontrol and running it, it's amazingly useful for stuff like this 18:53 magnuse rangi: yup 18:54 rangi so, cait says something about magnuse something something ebook something something 18:54 pianohacker OverDrive? :D 18:55 magnuse hah! 18:55 magnuse [off] https://ebib.no/ 18:55 cait pianohacker: the microphone shows a lot of action... and that's about it 18:56 magnuse [off] https://github.com/MagnusEnger/Ebooksforlib 18:56 pianohacker bug 11978 18:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11978 major, P1 - high, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , OverDrive API now prepends http:// to URLs 18:56 pianohacker because telling devs about API updates is boring! 18:56 magnuse yeah, devs need something to do all day long, right? 18:57 magnuse hmmm, where did my LICENSE file go? 18:57 pianohacker Yeah, before I was just sitting around all day farting around learning new vim commands 18:58 pianohacker but now I have something to do! 18:59 rangi oooh sweet 19:00 magnuse pianohacker: see, all for the best 19:01 magnuse pianohacker: if you have non-DRM ePub files it might come in handy 19:01 magnuse s/pianohacker/rangi/ 19:01 rangi *nod* 19:01 magnuse what is i nmy got repo is only half of it, though. there is a html5 reader that is not on github yet 19:02 rangi goes handy with my idea that libaries should be publishers of ebooks too 19:02 rangi now they have a delivery mechanism too 19:02 rangi topic switch 19:02 rangi anyone know anything about dell xps ultrabooks? 19:02 pianohacker magnuse++ 19:03 pianohacker that's really cool 19:03 magnuse rangi: you can get them with ubuntu? 19:03 rangi i doubt it 19:03 rangi but ill try 19:03 rangi i mean you can in the US 19:03 rangi the xps 13 19:04 rangi http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd 19:04 rangi but i dunno if you can here 19:04 magnuse i think you can get it in norway now 19:04 pianohacker good lord, a dell actually worth buying 19:05 rangi however i will be in the US in late april 19:05 rangi so im thinking i might get one shipped there and just fly it back 19:06 pianohacker customs won't complain too much? 19:06 rangi if i stick it an a laptop bag, and slap some stickers on it 19:06 rangi they wouldnt even know 19:06 magnuse i bought a dell latitude 13 that was supposed to come with ubuntu preinstalled. it came without an os and no trace of ubuntu. after i compleined on twitter they sent me a cd with a 2 years old ubuntu version, and the laptop did not have a cd drive 19:06 rangi ahh that doesnt sound so great 19:07 rangi pianohacker: do dell have stores in the US? or is it all online now 19:07 magnuse (i had installed the latest and greatest long before the cd arrived of course, but i wanted them to deliver on their promise, sort of) 19:07 pianohacker rangi: I haven't seen a dell store, but a microsoft store *might* have one 19:08 rangi unlikely to have a linux one tho eh 19:08 pianohacker well, yeah :) 19:09 rangi might be fun to go ask though 19:10 rangi oh yeah system76 19:10 rangi http://www.mystore411.com/store/list_city/1178/Georgia/Atlanta/Dell-store-locations 19:10 rangi apparently they do 19:10 rangi but ibeardslee just gave me a better idea 19:10 pianohacker oh? 19:10 rangi but now i have to take the kids to school 19:11 mtompset rangi: Why not https://www.system76.com/laptops/? 19:11 rangi https://www.system76.com/ 19:11 rangi yeah 19:11 rangi that 19:11 rangi bbiab 19:15 * oleonard would definitely look at laptops built for Ubuntu after the trouble he's had with his formerly-Windows-based one. 19:19 * magnuse wanders off 19:21 bag I heard my name laptop bag :P 19:21 pianohacker we're going to stuff a laptop inside you and smuggle you into NZ 19:21 pianohacker won't hurt a bit 19:26 Brooke he's natural material 19:26 Brooke the beagles would eat him for breakfast. 19:30 * Dyrcona likes his Galago Ultra Pro from System76. 19:30 oleonard I updated and expanded the DataTables guide on the wiki: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DataTables_HowTo 19:31 Brooke oleonard++ 19:31 Brooke that page is purty like. 19:31 Brooke and informative 19:33 cait interesting 19:33 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 19:33 cait pianohacker: headphones work 19:34 cait oleonard++ 19:34 cait oleonard: ashimema will be happy 19:35 oleonard He inspired me by pointing out how inadequate it was 19:37 pianohacker cait: try checking the output tab in pavucontrol 19:48 smeagol Has anyone seen this error? I'm stumped...the installer is trapped in a loop. Update report : •Status: 500 •Content-type: text/html • •<h1>Software error:</h1> •<pre>DBD::mysql::db do failed: Error on rename of './koha/patronimage' to './koha/#sql2-6d9-4fc' (errno: 152) at /home/koha/kohaclone/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 7243. •</pre> •<p> •For help, please send mail to the webmaster (<a href="mailto:webmaster@mtplbywaterkoha 19:48 smeagol thanks 19:50 cait pianohacker: nothing obvious 19:58 rangi back 19:59 rangi Dyrcona: the trick is seeing if i can get one delivered to my hotel in atlanta ... or maybe i could ask ESI if i could get it shipped there and pick it up when im in atlanta 19:59 rangi that might work 19:59 cait :) 19:59 Dyrcona :) 20:00 bag oh that would work :) 20:01 bag don't deliver it to pianohacker though - you may get the weirdest keyboard layout back 20:01 cait heh 20:01 bag a custom pianohacked keyboard 20:01 cait a piano keyboard? :) 20:02 pianohacker hell yeah 20:02 bag rangi: do you just use a default keyboard layout? or .... 20:03 pianohacker I'll give you a keyboard with n-key rollover! Then you can use the open source steno software I'm learning! >:) 20:03 bag thanks to pianohacker I am so fascinated by this idea - never occurred to me to not just use a USqwerty board 20:04 rangi i use maori keyboard, which is pretty much USqwerty 20:05 pianohacker bag: it's a really deep rabbit hole 20:05 pianohacker and I can't seem to stop falling 20:06 bag rangi: you heard of pianohacker's setup? it's pretty rad but I'm feeling like an old dog :P 20:06 bag [off] and talking with Baker and Taylor in an email - that's sort of making me batty 20:09 * ibeardslee just wishes non-legacy OS based laptops were easier to get in NZ. 20:09 jcamins pianohacker: what steno software are you learning? This sounds fascinating. 20:10 bag right jcamins - pianohacker is the most interesting man in the world 20:10 bag and sometimes he drinks tequila 20:10 pianohacker I almost have that accent down... 20:10 pianohacker jcamins: Plover. Supports linux, windows and mac, you just need a keyboard that can tell when 12 or so keys are pressed 20:11 jcamins I'd love to be able to type faster. I already type about twice as fast as I can think. 20:11 pianohacker relevant video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpv-Qb-dB6g 20:12 cait ibeardslee: not sure the situation in germany would be better... 20:16 rangi ibeardslee: https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1 20:16 rangi im looking at this 20:17 ibeardslee urgle .. the CDO in me has an issue with the trackpad not centred on the spacebar ;) 20:17 oleonard rangi: Will the primary purpose of the laptop be browsing pictures of charming chalets? 20:17 cait heh 20:18 Dyrcona heh. 20:20 rangi heh 20:57 cait bag++ :) 20:57 bag cait++ 20:58 cait i had a good reason, what's your excuse? :) 20:58 pianohacker [off] I wonder how ashimema would feel about the fact that he's always introduced as the "affable brit from the conference whenever I tell the brothel story 20:59 * cait goes to look up affable 20:59 bag [off] pianohacker: maybe you shouldn't tell brothel stories 21:00 pianohacker uh oh 21:00 pianohacker bag: consistently gets a laugh? *nervous grin* 21:01 jcamins [off] Don't you know what happens in... oh, never mind. :P 21:01 cait [off] I just left htem alone for one evening... 21:01 jcamins [off] I would've expected more divorce stories, though. 21:01 * pianohacker is getting the stink eye from bag so shuts up for the moment 21:02 bag [off] it was harmless and we went in for one drink and left - cause it was umm getting scary 21:02 pianohacker [off] no kidding! 21:03 jcamins [off] Getting divorced was? 21:03 jcamins [off] pianohacker: I didn't even realize you were married! 21:04 jcamins [off] For those who don't know, Reno is where people from the East Coast go to get divorced. Every single person who heard I was going to Reno commented on it. 21:04 pianohacker [off] hahahaha no, not to my knowledge anyway. The hackfest wasn't that crazy! And yeah, the fact that nothing happened but one drink with our wallets and phones firmly in our pockets is the main reason I tell it 21:04 jcamins 369, [1] p. 21:05 jcamins Erm. Wrong window. 21:05 wizzyrea heh 21:05 cait lol 21:11 cait but still... looks very nicely catalogued 21:13 jcamins Thanks. 21:22 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 21:35 eythian hi 21:35 wahanui privet, eythian 21:36 magnuse bag: HI 21:37 bag magnuse: hi there buddy 21:43 pianohacker magnuse! you got a second? Have an idea to bounce off of you 22:05 dcook Man...I'm glad I've taken to leaving my computer on. This scrollback is fascinating :p 22:06 pianohacker hahahahaha 22:06 dcook [off] Brothels are legal in Australia. I've never been to one, but I used to live next door to one a couple years ago... 22:08 pianohacker [off] the late night ones are really scary 22:12 dcook [off] Are they legal in (parts of) America? I think it must be very different in Australia. The people I know who work in them tend to just sit around and watch tv when no clients are around :p. 22:16 eythian [off] dcook: isn't that the whole point of Nevada? 22:19 dcook [off] No idea. I'm from the Canadian Midwest. Strip clubs are barely legal. 8 months of the year it's winter. You don't even want to imagine yourself or anyone without 8 layers of clothes on. 22:22 pianohacker [off] Yeah, that and Vegas. (and the lovely hosts of our kohacon) 22:22 bag heh 22:22 bag well lovely conversations today eh? 22:22 bag heya eythian - how goes it today 22:23 dcook [off] I'm amazed by how many Australians I know have FB photos of themselves at Lake Tahoe. Blows my mind. 22:23 eythian hello. Not bad. Ran through much of the staff client on plack yesterday, found no explosions, and only a couple of things that really do need looked into. 22:25 rangi eythian: id still like a nicer solution for zconn 22:25 rangi using yaz-proxy or something 22:25 bag ah sweet 22:25 rangi if there is space on the list :( 22:25 rangi :) even 22:26 pianohacker rangi: is the issue that zebra connections are kept beyond their useful life? 22:29 rangi zebra (and z3950 the protocol) is designed to be single use, you connect do something get some results, and disconnect 22:29 rangi we try to reuse connections in koha 22:29 rangi the reason it works under cgi, is they die when the perl dies 22:30 rangi soon as you run them under plack, the connection times out, and we do some trickery trying to test for that, badly, so we try to reuse the same connection 22:30 rangi so you randomly get searches that appear to the user to have no results 22:30 pianohacker ahh, makes sense 22:30 rangi refresh, you get results 22:31 eythian rangi: yeah, we should look into yaz-proxy. It's possible it's pretty easy to add to package deployments or something. 22:31 rangi *nod* 22:31 rangi pianohacker: hence yaz-proxy, which does connection pooling etc for you 22:31 pianohacker makes sense 22:31 pianohacker or pazpar2 22:31 rangi LOC use it in front of their voyager 22:31 rangi pazpar2 doesnt speak pqf 22:31 eythian We should also make it so that koha doesn't say "no results", it says "search engine broken" or something. No results is a bit misleading. 22:31 rangi (at least i dont think it does) 22:32 rangi yeah 22:32 * dcook is a fan of this "search engine broken" idea 22:32 cait heh 22:32 cait i am a fan of never seeing that? :) 22:32 rangi yeah, real error messages are better than silent fails 22:32 dcook True. I rather know when it's broken though :) 22:33 cait :) 22:33 dcook (The 'though' was for before rangi spoke :P) 22:35 pianohacker rangi: looks like you're right. That's annoying... was hoping to only have to add pazpar2 22:35 pianohacker since bug 10486 and bug 11559 both use it anyway 22:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC 22:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Professional cataloger's interface 22:36 rangi pianohacker: yeah 22:38 pianohacker there's even a ccl->pqf converter that it doesn't look like you can disable 23:57 bag bye #koha catch you's all tomorrow 23:57 bag or maybe later tonight 23:58 eythian bye