IRC log for #koha, 2014-03-06

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00:17 mtompset Greetings, talljoy.
00:17 talljoy yo mtompset
00:22 wizzyrea mtompset: acquisitions handles money and records of what has been ordered and from whom, cataloguing is the last step of that.
00:22 eythian mtompset: acquisitions is acquiring, cataloguing is cataloguing.
00:22 wizzyrea if that makes sense
00:24 mtompset But doesn't receiving an acquisition actually catalog it?
00:25 mtompset (inside the acquisitions section)
00:27 wizzyrea cataloguing an item is part of the acquisitions workflow, yes
00:27 wizzyrea but they are not dependent
00:27 wizzyrea you can catalogue an item without going through acquisitions.
00:28 wizzyrea I think there are people who use acquisitions but don't use it to catalogue as well, though that might be a mad scheme.
00:31 mtompset Okay. I think I understand. Frankly, acquisitions is a horribly ugly process for a person who has never tried it before.
00:32 eythian it is a bit of a heavyweight process.
00:34 wizzyrea yep, it's special
00:37 mtompset I think the teacher double talk word for it is... gifted. ;)
00:53 tcohen decent hotel in london? for a couple?
01:04 eythian Look at the reviews on e.g.
01:04 eythian I've generally found that sort of thing reliable.
01:06 rangi yeah, is quite handy too
01:06 * dcook perks up
01:06 rangi pulls up all the deals, and has reviews
01:08 dcook Going to London, tcohen?
01:09 eythian there're also too many hotels in London for a useful recommendation :) I've only stayed at two, one was good because it was a week for free (a friend was the housekeeper/barmaid) and the other was just overnight.
01:09 dcook I've only stayed at hostels in London (other than a hotel once years ago as a student)
01:09 rangi dcook:[…]ountry-back/30146  <=== awesome
01:10 dcook rangi: I keep meaning to watch that...
01:10 rangi this bit is my fave
01:10 rangi “Prime Minister, you are welcome to take your heartless, racist exploitation of people’s fears and ram it as far from Western Australia as your taxpayer-funded travel entitlements can take you,”
01:10 dcook That's the tagline that I've seen so far :)
01:11 dcook I can't bring myself to read the publications where he claims to be a feminist
01:11 dcook Just nothing to be gained by consuming that media
01:12 dcook For non-Australians: the dude is quite the misogynist.
01:12 dcook (dcook likes actual feminists)
01:19 tcohen dcook: yes! one of our honeymoon places
01:19 dcook tcohen: Ah, I had the feeling that might be the case! Exciting! When do you go?
01:20 tcohen we're going to several places
01:20 tcohen beggining march 23
01:21 tcohen they all seem quite small and expensive
01:21 tcohen just as if the Holiday Inn costs the same
01:24 dcook That...was a great video. Go, Scott Ludlam.
01:25 dcook London is a tough one :/
01:26 tcohen dcook: indeed!
01:30 dcook Perhaps ashimema might have some ideas?
01:30 dcook I think he lives in/just outside of London?
01:30 dcook I don't know why, but everytime I think about a few of you folks, I think of Pirate Pizza and beer
01:30 dcook Also tcohen is just awesome in the arcade :p
01:31 tcohen heh
01:32 tcohen i performed in the motorbikes, i recall
01:32 dcook You really did!
01:32 tcohen ashimema: around?
01:33 rangi its about 2.30am
01:33 rangi so i doubt it
01:33 dcook Hmm, not working hard enough then!
01:33 tcohen d*mn sleepers
01:33 dcook Have you been before, tcohen?
01:34 tcohen no dcook, first timer!
01:34 tcohen i've only been to madrid, barcelona and roland-garros actually
01:34 dcook That's so exciting!
01:34 dcook Roland-garros?
01:35 tcohen heh, i took a train at the airport, that combined with the subway took me to roland-garros
01:38 rangi Los niños comen pan
01:38 rangi thats about all i can remember from duolingo
01:38 rangi i figure i can get by telling argentinians that boys eat bread
01:38 rangi 'what would you like to eat?" "the boys eat bread"
01:39 rangi 'where is your hotel?' "the boys eat bread"
01:39 tcohen heh
01:39 tcohen i can teach you a few
01:39 tcohen "quiero un lomito"
01:39 tcohen ->
01:39 eythian "where are my pants"
01:40 tcohen the taste of lomitos in Cordoba is awesome
01:40 rangi ohh
01:40 rangi that does look good
01:40 rangi i can always remember ham and eggs
01:40 rangi jamon and huevo
01:41 rangi but i always have an urge to pronounce jamon as if i was michael jackson
01:42 tcohen ham-ón
01:42 rangi yep
01:42 tcohen eythian: pants == underwear?
01:42 tcohen "¿donde estan mis calzones?"
01:42 dcook acqui = here (I believe)
01:43 tcohen accented i
01:43 tcohen spelled "aquí"
01:43 dcook Yeah, I should've used my charmap
01:45 rangi https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic[…]lHhmQIg4Q3eCOo82g
01:45 dcook I think aquí, pulpo, corazón, cerveza...might be the only words I know outside numbers
01:46 dcook tcohen: But yeah I think Brits/Aussies/Kiwis might call underwear pants?
01:46 * dcook isn't sure about that one
01:46 dcook I should probably clarify before I keep talking about pants...
01:46 rangi normally call them underpants
01:46 eythian tcohen: in NZ English, it's ambiguous.
01:46 tcohen heh
01:47 eythian usually identifiable from the context, or being specific :)
01:47 dcook It made me wonder about wizzyrea and co saying stuff is 'pants' :p
01:47 dcook Perhaps that's a third meaning?
01:47 dcook Damned polysemy
01:47 eythian
01:48 rangi http://onlineslangdictionary.c[…]finition-of/pants
01:51 dcook Good one, rangi
02:00 jcamins tcohen: base2stay.
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02:01 * tcohen is looking for it, thanks jcamins!
02:06 mtompset wizzyrea: Are you the one to talk to about tweaking a page?
02:06 rangi w[…]193183232/photo/1
02:07 rangi hmm without the w
02:07 rangi[…]193183232/photo/1
02:08 eythian mtompset: pantaloons
02:08 mtompset Haven't thought that out, eythian. :P
02:09 mtompset I was wondering who might be able to help get a tweak to as per bug 11830's discussion. Or if perhaps, there's a better solution still?
02:10 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11830 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Document disk space requirements for git install on Ubuntu
02:10 eythian via French, from an 1580's Italian comedy character "Pantaloun" who wore tight trousers over skinny legs. Originally San Pantaleone, the name coming from Greek and meaning "all compassionate"
02:10 eythian don't you know your history, mtompset?
02:10 mtompset eythian: Nope. I'm a computer person, not a history buff.
02:24 mtompset eythian, anyone? Any idea on how to trigger a case for bug 11797? I'm pretty sure this will fix it, but I don't know how to trigger it.
02:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11797 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Odd number of elements in anonymous hash
02:26 eythian your else condition looks fishy given the if right below it, or is it doing something like not emptying out the variable, in which case it should be properly scoped?
02:28 eythian ok, $subfield_to_report is badly scoped, but I can't see how that would ever get an odd number of elements.
02:28 eythian Maybe if $field was undefined.
02:30 mtompset 1049...
02:30 mtompset if the first letter does not exist in the key.
02:31 eythian I think that the best way to fix it is to move $subfields_to_report into the foreach, fix the reference to it near the end of the function (which makes no sense), and I have no opinion on 162 because I know nothing about it.
02:31 mtompset And that could be possible if 180, etc. came before a 162.
02:31 eythian never rely on order in MARC
02:32 mtompset which is why I gave the scenario.
02:32 eythian and what is "1049"?
02:32 mtompset because the 180 would set the variable to 'v....'
02:32 mtompset and then '162' wouldn't change it.
02:32 eythian the point is more that having it scoped properly is the best fix
02:32 mtompset but there is no 'v' for a 162.
02:32 eythian because it fixes a bad smell.
02:33 eythian yeah, but it doesn't matter if there's no 'v'
02:33 eythian oh
02:33 eythian it does matter if an empty list is returned.
02:33 mtompset which is why I put else.
02:33 eythian Never depend on having particular fields or subfields in marc
02:33 eythian the report should be done, and then that should be tested.
02:34 eythian because if you get no output from it, you're still going to have issues.
02:34 mtompset no, because the second 'else' uses 'a'.
02:34 eythian e.g. if I make a record with only 'u' fields, that'll break this
02:35 mtompset Yes, that is true.
02:35 mtompset but the list needs to be comprehensive.
02:35 eythian it's still assuming that the data it's looking over is correct, which is invariably a bad idea.
02:35 eythian that doesn't matter.
02:35 eythian as it stands, it's got a fair bit of code-smell
02:36 mtompset actually, if the field doesn't exist, I think the $field->subfield('u') would return '';
02:36 tcohen night #koha, thanks for the help eythian
02:36 eythian later
02:36 mtompset good night, tcohen.
02:37 tcohen night mtompset
02:37 eythian mtompset: and what does it return if you ask it for a subfield that doesn't exist?
02:37 mtompset eythian: And how would you scope the variable differently?
02:37 eythian err.
02:37 eythian I'd scope it tighter.
02:38 mtompset That's what I believe 'u' is... non-existent.
02:38 eythian Scope everything as tight as possible.
02:38 mtompset how?
02:38 eythian mtompset: but what does it return in this case?
02:38 eythian mtompset: by moving it into the foreach
02:38 mtompset oh... undef.
02:38 eythian and fixing the weird reference to it later in the function.
02:39 eythian it's valid to have an undef in a hashref, so that's maybe not the source of your "odd number of items" thing.
02:39 mtompset moving it into the foreach?
02:39 eythian well, right now it's outside the foreach.
02:39 mtompset foreach ... { my blah; ... }?
02:40 eythian no
02:40 eythian my $subfields_to_report;
02:40 eythian foreach my $field ($record->field('1..')) {
02:40 eythian becomes
02:40 eythian foreach my $field ($record->field('1..')) {
02:40 eythian my $subfields_to_report;
02:40 mtompset That's what I said, but used blah. :P
02:40 eythian oh right
02:40 eythian so you did
02:41 eythian but, you'll have to deal with the spurious reference to it a few lines below all this.
02:41 mtompset well, on goes the chauffeur hat. I'll be back.
02:48 rangi *sigh*
02:53 eythian  <-- OBEY HOLLYWOOD
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03:04 mtompset What's the sign for, rangi?
03:06 mtompset Ewwww! 1130? Is that what you were talking about eythian?
03:06 eythian huh?
03:07 mtompset "but, you'll have to deal with the spurious reference to it a few lines below all this."
03:07 mtompset Oops, I meant *sigh* not sign.
03:08 mtompset Oh... someone not reading the manual?
03:09 rangi yep just the usual
03:09 eythian I can't talk in line numbers as I have a different version checked out.
03:09 eythian But, it's the only other reference to subfields_to_report in the file
03:12 mtompset It's the weird one line reference in the middle of a 6.. foreach.
03:13 mtompset Oops 880.
03:13 mtompset I don't get how that code even works!
03:22 eythian I bet it doesn't
03:29 mtompset 880 is a weird field. Trying to understand it.
03:32 mtompset well, I think the term => blah is pushed out in a way that it used by koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/i​ncludes/
03:36 mtompset 880$w?! WHAT?! How do we even know 'w' is used?
03:39 eythian never assume
03:40 mtompset That 880 code is rather... convoluted and strange.
03:42 mtompset oh! It assumes the 880 is only linked to 4xx or 5xx fields!
03:46 eythian bag: I now have a very preliminary "title starts with" type search working. Now it'll be easier to do the rest.
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03:55 * Oak waves
04:02 eythian wajasu: patch is <reply>
04:03 eythian err
04:03 eythian wahanui: patch is <reply>
04:03 wahanui ...but patch is pretty old now, good luck...
04:03 eythian no wahanui, patch is <reply>
04:03 wahanui okay, eythian.
04:08 mtompset Something like that, eythian. :)
04:08 mtompset Hi, Oak.
04:12 bag awesome eythian
04:23 Oak hello mtompset :)
04:35 * eythian wonders if there's any documentation for how the QueryBuilder is supposed to work around anywhere.
04:40 * mtompset laughs.
04:40 mtompset Not likely, is my guess.
04:41 eythian that sucks when you want to implement something that matches the same pattern.
04:42 mtompset Okay... figured out a way to trigger the BuildSummary function. Now running through all our authority data. Hopefully the data point that triggered the error that got me looking at 11797 happens.
04:52 dcook eythian: I used to have a vague idea
04:52 dcook Wait, not QueryBuilder
04:53 dcook What is QueryBuilder?
04:53 eythian heh
04:53 dcook
04:53 dcook ^
04:53 eythian it's intended to be an interface between user input and whatever search engine you're using
04:54 dcook For the logs...
04:54 dcook Vivian Jaffe: Have you ever transcended space and time?
04:54 dcook Albert Markovski: Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about.
04:55 dcook eythian: That would be handy
04:55 eythian it would be handier if it were well documented.
04:56 dcook ^
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05:07 mtompset I guess it didn't like that for loop. ;)
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05:11 mtompset let's try again. :) It's only 2700ish seconds.
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05:39 eythian @wunder nzwn
05:39 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (6:30 PM NZDT on March 06, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
05:42 mtompset woo hoo! triggered the error...
05:42 mtompset bad news... don't know which authority number did it.
05:42 wajasu KABOOM
05:45 mtompset YAY! I am thankful that WGET was timestamping. :)
05:45 mtompset found the busted authority record that generates our odd hash error.
05:50 wajasu cool
05:56 mtompset eythian: It's a non-existent field error. It seems that blah => undef is causing the problem.
05:57 mtompset but it isn't 162.
05:57 mtompset It's 180.
05:57 mtompset We have 180$x, not a 180$v.
05:57 mtompset And the first letter is assumed to be the one to build from.
06:00 mtompset Well, maybe it isn't undef? It definitely is the hemain line, like I suspected.
06:07 mtompset "If no matching subfields are found, undef is returned in a scalar context and an empty list in a list context."
06:08 mtompset That's the problem.
06:09 mtompset perl guesses the context wrong!
06:41 mtompset Woo hoo! Found another way to trigger the same error. :)
06:42 wajasu nice. u trigger happy?
06:45 mtompset No. I just forgot how to trigger the first way, and I found the second way first. ;)
06:54 wajasu are you on the verge of greatness with what you are debugging?  or can you resume discussing the search behavior for lost/hidden items.
07:07 wajasu i think i know what's needed.
07:13 mtompset It's 2:12AM...
07:13 mtompset I'm not quite in the right frame of mind to discuss searching. Sorry.
07:13 wajasu game over. for me as well.  got a lead  on something.  will look into it tomorrow.
07:14 mtompset See you later today, perhaps. :)
07:14 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha.
07:24 * magnuse waves
07:32 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 1.6°C (8:32 AM CET on March 06, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
07:32 magnuse hah, i think i can top that
07:32 magnuse @wunder boo
07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:20 AM CET on March 06, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
07:32 magnuse hah!
07:33 cait hm marseille has to catch up to my packing plans
07:34 cait bbl :)
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07:37 reiveune hello
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07:43 marcelr hi #koha
07:53 magnuse hiya laurence reiveune marcelr
07:53 reiveune salut magnuse
07:53 marcelr hi magnuse reiveune
07:54 reiveune salut marcelr :)
07:55 laurence helle magnuse
07:57 magnuse hællæ!
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08:02 alex_a bonjour
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08:04 Joubu hello
08:04 wahanui niihau, Joubu
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08:12 cait @wunder Marseille
08:12 huginn cait: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 3.4°C (9:12 AM CET on March 06, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
08:15 magnuse "Realtor, CABRIES" does not quite sound like "marseille", though?
08:16 magnuse woohoo, look at that:[…]rseille/long.html
08:17 cait magnuse: that's more like ti!
08:32 ashimema @later tell tcohen you called?
08:32 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded.
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09:10 Oak magnuse
09:10 Oak guten morgen cait
09:10 Oak Bonjour alex_a, Joubu
09:11 Oak should just use 'hi everyone' actually. hm.
09:11 Oak because otherwise i miss some.
09:12 Oak stop talking now Oak.
09:12 Oak okay.
09:20 magnuse Oak
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09:43 HB Hey koha a question about field 008 if i want to change a book to continuing resource on that field it wont do that (afther i save its back the old thing again) anny tips ?
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09:49 fridolin hie all
10:02 magnuse bonjour fridolin
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10:38 paxed basket shows gste total rather weidly:[…]et_sillyvalue.png
10:38 paxed +r
10:40 cait paxed: there are several bugs related to gst and calculation in bugzilla, also there were some questions from galen on the mailinglist some time ago, rying to figure out people's expectations
10:41 cait paxed: i think it's only a display problem there tho - looks like it will give sums for each tax rate , this is the sum for all with 10%
10:41 paxed why not FORMAT ALL CURRENCY</meme>
10:41 cait because noone got around to do it yet
10:41 cait i'd love if we had a plugin like for date formatting to take care of it
10:43 paxed i'm just surprised that a program that actually handles currency wasn't coded with currency formatting in the first place.
10:48 cait it was coded for the currency formatting expected in english speaking countries and how it works for computrs
10:48 cait ... i agree that it would be nicer to have a decimal comma then a decimal point
10:48 cait but i know other library software that can't do that
10:49 paxed also that there's only one fraction after the decimal mark...
10:53 cait i think for the one you found that bit would not be hard to fix
10:53 cait TT can do it even, the old template system was not as nice
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12:51 oleonard Hi #koha
12:52 magnuse hiya oleonard
12:57 gaetan_B hi oleonard
12:58 gaetan_B there's a problem in the admin with marc frameworks
12:58 magnuse gaetan_B: with memcached on?
12:58 gaetan_B the js accordion gets stuck on subfields t, did you notice it before ?
12:58 gaetan_B nope
12:58 magnuse ah, sorry, i was thinking about another problem :-)
12:59 gaetan_B i found this one while looking up bugzilla, but this seems to be another, new, bug
12:59 gaetan_B i just want to make sure it's not just with me
12:59 gaetan_B :)
13:00 gaetan_B if you try to edit constraints for a t subfield, you end up with just the headers for each section, and they won't open again
13:00 jcamins Wow, that's a funny bug.
13:00 * jcamins can reproduce.
13:01 oleonard What's something with a t?
13:01 jcamins 700
13:02 gaetan_B ok i'll open a bug on bugzilla then
13:07 gaetan_B jcamins: did you reproduce it in master
13:07 jcamins Masterish, anyway.
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13:08 oleonard Simply opening the 't' tab gets you broken accordion? Or do you have to do something else?
13:08 jcamins Click on "Advanced constraints" on the t tab.
13:09 Viktor Greetings!
13:09 mtompset Greetings, oleonard jcamins #koha -- Viktor. :) -- Goes to check log files. This conversation might be interesting. :)
13:10 oleonard I guess I'm not seeing it jcamins
13:10 jcamins I'll check on latest master.
13:11 gaetan_B i have a very slow connection here and can't update my instance to a really fresh master unfortunately
13:11 jcamins I am now on latest master and I'm still seeing it.
13:11 gaetan_B ok i'll save the bug then
13:12 gaetan_B bug 11898
13:12 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11898 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , the js accordion when editing marc frameworks is broken for the t tab
13:12 mtompset Do you get any javascript errors, gaetan_B?
13:12 gaetan_B hmm not an enh though
13:12 gaetan_B i didn't check
13:12 jcamins oleonard:
13:12 gaetan_B i probably do
13:12 * mtompset grumbles about the default enhancement setting in bugzilla.
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13:13 gaetan_B i'll leave it to you for now though, i'm in the middle of a training ;)
13:14 kivilahtio any ideas why there are two different codebases for adding items (cataloguing->   and    acquisitions->neworder|empty​|subscription|suggestion...) ?
13:14 mtompset I don't get that problem.
13:14 kivilahtio is there a third way ? :)
13:16 * oleonard still can't reproduce
13:16 mtompset Neither can I, oleonard.
13:17 mtompset Which version of Koha? What OS?
13:17 oleonard I'm testing on master, FF and Chrome on Windows 7.
13:18 jcamins I'll test on FF.
13:18 jcamins Works on FF.
13:19 gaetan_B i have the bug in ff 27
13:20 mtompset I just tried IE 11.
13:20 mtompset Couldn't reproduce.
13:20 oleonard Data-dependent?
13:20 mtompset I tried FF 27.0.1 -- couldn't reproduce. I'm using Windows 7.
13:21 gaetan_B i also have it in chromium
13:21 gaetan_B i'm on ubuntu
13:21 oleonard Works for me with FF and Chrome in my Ubuntu VM
13:21 gaetan_B i don't see why this would be os dependent though
13:21 jcamins It doesn't seem to be, because I didn't change my 700 field.
13:21 mtompset Well, sometimes Ubuntu libraries aren't as current as Debian ones.
13:21 * magnuse has taken the liberty of creating[…]ng,_March_12_2014 - please feel free to edit
13:22 jcamins Works on FF under Ubuntu 12.04 for me.
13:22 jcamins But it's FF 26.
13:22 mtompset Same here, jcamins. Though, I have patched some of the other things.
13:22 jcamins Which is probably about thirty versions behind.
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13:24 mtompset Greetings, tcohen.
13:25 mtompset magnuse++ # for thinking ahead. :)
13:27 * magnuse has taken the liberty of creating[…]ng,_March_12_2014
13:28 magnuse gah
13:28 magnuse i completely forgot i wrote that the first time...
13:28 magnuse not a good sign...
13:30 tcohen morning mtompset magnuse #koha
13:31 mtompset magnuse: Either more caffeine or more sleep are probably in order. :)
13:32 oleonard Just a glitch in the Matrix magnuse
13:36 * magnuse does not drink coffee, but definitely needs more sleep
13:36 magnuse oleonard: yeah, if i close my eyes i see "raining" green numbers
13:39 mtompset I said caffeine. That includes colas, teas, or any other form of caffeine. :)
13:39 magnuse ah, that is true! :-)
13:39 magnuse maybe some kind of intravenous...
13:40 marcelr mtompset: did not see your patch for IsSuperLibrarian
13:40 oleonard Don't forget chocolate!
13:40 * cait sends cookies to magnuse
13:42 mtompset marcelr: It's easy to not find duplicates some times. :)
13:42 marcelr especially if you did not even search for them ;)
13:42 mtompset magnuse++ #intravenous caffeine. YES! Too much blood in my caffeine stream. ;)
13:46 magnuse lol
13:55 marcelr oleonard: Your suggestions on the last patch of bug 9032 are welcome (creating and modifying bootstrap template; no css changes at least from me..) Thx
13:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9032 enhancement, P5 - low, ---,, Needs Signoff , Share a list
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13:55 oleonard Okay marcelr I'll take a look
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14:18 rhcl @wunder 64507
14:18 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -3.9°C (8:18 AM CST on March 06, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
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14:23 * magnuse waves to Viktor
14:24 * Viktor waves back at magnuse
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14:27 * mtompset waves at Viktor and magnuse in an attempt to get a wave going around the room. ;)
14:27 mtompset Greetings, rhcl. :)
14:30 Viktor Btw - a HOLD_PRINT notice problem: <<branches.branchname>> and other values under <<branches. >> seems to collect the branch that owns a copy instead of the branch where the patron can collect the copy. Is this expected or did we just mess things up?
14:33 cait Viktor: hm if you compare to the emails, is it the same there or only for the print?
14:33 rhcl hey mtompset
14:33 wahanui somebody said mtompset was catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
14:34 mtompset Still not so strong in that regard. :(
14:35 Viktor cait: Hm. We don't use email much as of yet. But when we print the messages for different branches this happens when a book is borrowed from another branch.
14:35 cait i wonder if one of the settings would influence it
14:35 Viktor cait: problem is of course that people will go to the wrong branch.
14:35 cait we don't use the print notices :(
14:35 cait Viktor: maybe file a bug as a first step?
14:36 cait Viktor: it doesn't sound right
14:37 Viktor I'll do that then cait - thanks! Just wanted to know if I misunderstood this first.
14:41 Viktor Is there any cheat sheet for what those codes are suppose to contain?  http://manual.koha-community.o[…]html#noticemarkup keeps it to a quite general level.
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14:58 cait hm not really
14:59 cait ithink it's a bit trial and error currently
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15:47 fridolin bye
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15:52 * dbs would like to ensure that the settings for bug 11786 are correct for getting said fixes into master and 3.14 (specifically targeting 3.14 as the version)
15:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dan, Needs Signoff , Improve RDFa mappings in prog and bootstrap
15:52 cait hi dbs - it still needs a sign off, maybe that will happen next week at the hackfest
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15:58 AmitG hi
15:58 wahanui bonjour, AmitG
15:58 AmitG all
15:58 AmitG gaetan_B around?
15:58 gaetan_B hi AmitG, long time no see!
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16:05 dbs cait: right, mostly I wanted to ensure that I didn't inadvertently set something that kept it from being visible in a "to sign-off / to QA" kind of queue :)
16:05 dbs cait++
16:05 cait nope it looks alright :)
16:11 oleonard Anyone know of a library which is running the new bootstrap opac theme in production?
16:19 oleonard I posted an intro to the new Bootstrap theme on my Koha blog:[…]-theme-bootstrap/
16:19 cait oh cool
16:19 gmcharlt oleonard++
16:19 cait oleonard: we are still on 3.12.. just arrive dther eto be honest with all of them
16:20 cait oleonard++
16:20 cait but i will sure need this at some point
16:22 cait Joubu++ for taking on the oldest open bug :)
16:26 rhcl cait: would you say that the springer databases are popular in Europe?
16:27 cait the ebooks are very popular
16:27 cait not sure about the databases - I hear less about it as that is separate from the ILS
16:29 cait sorry, have to run:) post office closes in half an hour
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16:49 gaetan_B bye!
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16:52 barton Hey, I'm just curious: who else in #koha does tech support for Koha as their primary job?
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16:55 wajasu barton: this may help
17:03 barton wajasu: Thanks! Very good to know.
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17:07 oleonard And you can add yourself barton :)
17:08 barton oleonard: I'm just registering for a wiki login so that I can do that :-)
17:09 reiveune bye
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17:09 oleonard And if anyone else here is a regular but not on that list please add yourselves!
17:10 oleonard On the other hand, some on that list are no longer regulars
17:10 cait barton: do you need confirmation for your wiki account?
17:11 oleonard No more hdl, libsysguy, sekjal...
17:11 nengard some job titles are wrong too ...
17:11 barton cait: yes... as a matter of fact, your post was mere milliseconds after I clicked 'submit' :-)\
17:11 cait give me a sec
17:12 barton nengard: yes. In fact there are a number of people listed as bywater employees who are no longer...
17:12 barton (come back! come back!)
17:13 nengard hehe
17:13 cait barton: confirmed:)
17:13 nengard not a big deal as i see it - those people might still come in channel an then at least we know who they are :)
17:13 bag @seen sekjal
17:13 huginn bag: sekjal was last seen in #koha 43 weeks, 6 days, 3 hours, 43 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <sekjal> our camera was put up late this year; the eggs were already there when we installed
17:13 nengard :(
17:13 barton cait: gratzi!
17:13 nengard sad
17:13 cait barton: huh? :)
17:14 barton cait: 'gratzi' == 'thank you' in Italian.
17:15 rhcl maybe there should be a way to mark list members as "inactive" if they haven't been on channel for a year or two.
17:16 rhcl I also note (and just updated my own listing) that the non-US people tend to list their country code, and nearly all the US people fail to do so. - FWIW
17:17 rhcl @seen rch
17:17 huginn rhcl: I have not seen rch.
17:18 nengard country added to mine
17:25 rhcl druthb is still listed as ByWater. \\Where are all them skittles that fell on the floor when you need some ammo?\\
17:25 * druthb has skittles.
17:26 * bag needs one of these to hit the skittles as they fly this way
17:29 mtompset cool gun, bag.
17:30 barton salty lime jello? 8-P
17:31 cait editing druthb's on her request
17:31 * cait glares a little
17:31 * druthb chuckles.
17:32 * barton notices that the wiki is glaring back at cait.
17:32 druthb hi, bag! :)
17:32 bag hey
17:33 cait it's a mediawiki... it has every reason to
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17:52 rhcl @seen ricardo
17:52 huginn rhcl: ricardo was last seen in #koha 3 years, 4 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 44 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <ricardo> thd: With NICKSERV commands :)  Write /nickserv help register
17:53 rhcl @seen Space_Librarian
17:53 huginn rhcl: Space_Librarian was last seen in #koha 1 year, 7 weeks, 5 days, 19 hours, 9 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <Space_Librarian> lol. good one.
17:53 cait she has a new job too
17:54 rhcl @seen cjh
17:54 huginn rhcl: cjh was last seen in #koha 6 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 42 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <cjh> heh
17:56 rhcl I need a new job. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (US) I should be a sysadmin for an oil company.
17:57 rhcl If I read the stats correctly, they pay the top 90% of wages for this job title. Wonder what life on an oil rig in the Gulf is like?
17:58 rhcl I'd think the fishing would be great.
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17:59 pianohacker Hi
17:59 rhcl hi pianohacker
17:59 mtompset Greetings, pianohacker.
18:00 pianohacker hi guys
18:00 cait hi pianohacker
18:00 cait did you see my mail about dinner on sunday?
18:02 pianohacker Yes, haven't gotten a chance to read yet
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18:08 cait tsk :)
18:08 magnuse i *might* join you for dinner on sunday, if you'll let me
18:08 magnuse but i'll have to stay in until 19:00, and it all depends on the little'un
18:09 magnuse so i'll just catch up if i can, don't wait for me
18:09 cait rangi++
18:09 cait magnuse: i have been thinking about returning to the spot at 7
18:09 cait because some people can#t make it it seems
18:10 cait just have a beer/coffee somewhere close or walk down to the harbour or so
18:10 magnuse kewl
18:10 pianohacker beer coffee? I've had coffee beer
18:11 cait just try to be there ok? :)
18:11 cait magnuse: i added it to the hackfest doc - on a new tab - add your name/time as a reminder maybe?
18:12 magnuse rangi++
18:13 magnuse cait: done
18:13 cait thx :)
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19:25 rangi morning
19:27 khall good mornin rangi!
19:28 rangi morning khall :) are you a dad yet?
19:28 khall et al
19:28 khall not quite yet ; )
19:29 khall Tomorrow is the official due date, but so far there's no indication anything is going to happen
19:29 khall We've got an appointment on Monday. They'll decide then if we should think about getting her induced
19:30 khall She's gonna be a big baby, 9+ pounds, so they don't want to wait too long ; )
19:31 cait :)
19:31 khall how's cait today?
19:31 cait tired? :)
19:32 cait how is kyle? :)
19:32 khall full of anticipation
19:33 rangi oh yeah that is a big baby
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19:34 khall I think it's scaring my wife! She's totally changed her mind about avoiding a c-section ; )
19:34 magnuse heh, 4 kilos, eh?
19:35 khall indeed!
19:39 rangi fair enough!
19:42 rangi kahu was 3.04 kg, and atarau was 4.24kg
19:42 * magnuse wanders off to start packing for marseille
19:42 khall that's a pretty big baby!
19:43 * khall wishes everyone a great hackfest in marseille!
19:45 cait we'll miss you
19:47 mtompset Indeed. Looking forward to watching those needs sign offs dropping drastically. :)
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20:04 * wajasu Search  getRecords  is a real piece of work.
20:05 rangi luckily its not much longer for this world
20:05 * pianohacker wants a turn at that chopping block
20:05 rangi zomg
20:06 rangi ole is at 3.3 million now
20:06 pianohacker ?
20:06 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]
20:07 rangi 3.1 sorry
20:07 rangi oh i lie
20:07 rangi With this latest grant, IU has now received more than $4 million from Mellon for the OLE project.
20:07 rangi thats a crap ton of money
20:07 jcamins rangi: I know!
20:08 wajasu i'm trying to reconcile hiddenitems, lostitems, etc with optional biblio results display, and  auto details redirect, whilst being concerned about 9 pound babies.
20:08 pianohacker 40 developers at $100,000 for a year? You could make a lot of something with that
20:08 rangi yup
20:08 bag man we need to start writing grants
20:08 rangi we do
20:08 pianohacker any bets on whether it'll be a good something?
20:09 rangi its java
20:09 pianohacker augh
20:09 rangi it'll be a big something
20:09 bag we = something with koha that could recieve that money and put it to good use (not a for-profit) :)
20:09 pianohacker maybe a good something
20:09 pianohacker but definitely a good something
20:10 pianohacker *big something
20:10 * pianohacker needs to finish his keyboard so he can type
20:11 tcohen isn't OLe free software?
20:11 rangi :)
20:11 rangi of a sort
20:11 rangi id say its open source
20:11 tcohen no community
20:11 rangi not free software
20:12 jcamins rangi: I'd say it's almost open source, anyway.
20:12 druthb it's also so enormous that it requires a herd of geeks to keep it happy.  LOTS of moving parts.
20:12 rhcl the license seems to be OSI approved open source
20:13 druthb As I told someone from there at code4lib a couple years ago, "it's so huge that there are only about a dozen universities in the world that'll be capable of using it."
20:13 rhcl "Kuali software is available, without fee, for anyone to use or modify under the Educational Community License."
20:13 jcamins rhcl: I'd be a lot more impressed by that fact if there were actual source available. Last time I looked, there wasn't.
20:14 rhcl well, I don't know of course, but surely it must be somewhere to have an approved OS license
20:14 tcohen what does Ole perform in that we don't? file repository + ILS?
20:14 jcamins tcohen: it replaces that giant Oracle program.
20:14 jcamins I can't think of what it's called.
20:14 jcamins For HR.
20:15 cait ERM
20:15 rhcl source code seems to be available here:
20:15 cait Electronic resource management
20:15 * tcohen is not sure it is Oracle dependent
20:15 jcamins No, not ERM.
20:15 barton druthb:
20:15 wajasu SAP?
20:15 jcamins That really, really big one that enterprises use.
20:15 jcamins wajasu: that's it.
20:16 cait jcamins: for what it odes we don't
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20:16 cait at least that's what i am told :)
20:16 mveron Hi #Koha
20:16 jcamins rhcl: oh, looks like they have it available now.
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20:16 tcohen jcamins: Java + Tomcat
20:16 tcohen + MySQL
20:17 jcamins tcohen: no, I don't mean that it uses Oracle, I meant that it provides SAP-like functionality.
20:17 cait kuali has different software
20:17 cait i think the financial part is rice
20:17 cait it's more thought to be a management software for the whole university
20:17 wajasu accounting, etc
20:17 tcohen I've seen the interface
20:17 tcohen of the ILS component
20:18 rhcl all those modules you're talking about are on the download page:
20:18 druthb jcamins, I know the one you're talking about, but can't think of the name...
20:18 jcamins druthb: wajasu thought of it. SAP.
20:18 pianohacker oh, they'll be fine. We've proven that Tomcat isn't at all a barrier to deployment
20:18 tcohen it seems to have something we lack of, which is the posibility to define custom workflows
20:18 jcamins pianohacker: ::snrrrk::
20:18 tcohen instead of having a harcoded one
20:19 druthb no, SAP is more manufacturing based…there's another one that is University centric, does classes, grades, all kinds of things *except* ILS
20:19 jcamins druthb: I thought that was SAP, too.
20:19 druthb I'm hunting for it...sec
20:20 rangi SAP does everything
20:20 rangi they throw it banking, academic institutes
20:20 rangi it works about as well as you would expect
20:20 rangi the other pile of crap
20:20 rangi is peoplesoft
20:21 rangi which is utter shite
20:21 rangi and costs about 7 houses
20:21 druthb The university I was at had a system they just *loved*—on paper.  In operation, it sucked rocks.
20:22 mveron I'm looking for a pattern on how to fix Bug 11906 - Bad display of utf-8 chars in Patron lists (Datatable)
20:22 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11906 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Bad display of utf-8 chars in Patron lists (Datatable)
20:22 rangi ah right
20:22 rangi mveron: tcohen is probably the best to talk to about that
20:23 wajasu i was playing with   java with apache camel message gateway to koha via a STOMP message protocol so that koha could call java services on an ESB.  such as Solr, ElasticSearch, payment gateways, etc
20:23 druthb SCT Banner.  That's the one.
20:23 pianohacker druthb: Wait, hold on. Now supported by Ellucian?
20:23 druthb Now owned by Ellucian.
20:24 druthb yeah, that's them.
20:24 rhcl ?
20:24 druthb[…]formation-system/
20:24 druthb ?
20:24 pianohacker guess what my university uses, and I am trying to interface with for a scheduling app I inherited?
20:25 jcamins druthb: yes, SIS. That's what I was thinking of.
20:25 druthb I'm told that it's not too outrageous to develop against.  I did an interface between Banner and a Symphony box to pass billing along.
20:25 tcohen mveron: i can take a look tomorrow
20:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #452 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #452: SUCCESS in 16 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/452/
20:25 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update fund restriction with note
20:26 mveron tcohen: Thanks.   :-)
20:26 druthb There was an older system called SIS, too, by …. Z-systems, I think.
20:27 druthb they had an FRS and an HRS and some other goodies too
20:27 jcamins A Fellow of the Royal Society was involved?!?
20:28 druthb that was a VMS-based text-terminal system, and you had "screens" you called up with stuff like SIS009 and such.
20:28 cjh_ rhcl: morning, you rang?
20:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #25 for job Koha_Docs_3.14.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.14.x build #25: SUCCESS in 12 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.14.x/25/
20:28 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update fund restriction with note
20:38 * tcohen hates finding bugs
20:41 * mveron Hates bugs found by customers :-)
20:41 wajasu are facets, the box to the left (Availability, Auhtors, Libraries ...) ?
20:42 wizzyrea can I just say, I really love how consistent people are about putting bug numbers on their commits these days.
20:42 wizzyrea super good work everybody.
20:42 wizzyrea \o/
20:43 cait wizzyrea: true :)
20:43 cait also test plans
20:43 wizzyrea ^ room for improvement but HEAPS and HEAPS better than it used to be
20:44 wajasu test plans are awesome.  at least it gives context for where to go even if minimal.
20:44 cait yeah
20:44 cait my theory is that we don't notice the good change often, we are too close to see
20:44 cait but actually lots of things move :)
20:44 cait in a good direction
20:45 wizzyrea I find, at least once a week, a new feature that delights me.
20:45 wizzyrea Oh you can batch edit items from the detail screen! THat's awesome! or Patron lists! That's awesome!
20:46 cait :)
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20:53 tcohen is anyone used to the cover fetching codE?
20:53 tcohen I don't see how are we showing covers based on ISSN
20:54 wizzyrea I don't think we are, I've only observed isbn
20:54 wizzyrea unless you have an example
20:54 tcohen reading the code I find that we don't
20:55 tcohen was asking just in case I missed something
20:55 wizzyrea afaik, (and according to the code) we don't use ISSN - you can do a local cover for those
20:55 wizzyrea periodicals and DVD's are hard to get covers for.
20:57 tcohen thanks liz
20:59 wizzyrea yep yw
21:03 mtompset mveron: Thanks for bumping me into 5th. :(
21:04 mtompset mveron++ # for number of sign offs.
21:04 mveron :-)
21:05 cait mveron++ :)
21:05 mveron Sign off is a good way to learn a lot about koha  :-)
21:05 mtompset Yes, particularly with the more detailed ones.
21:06 * mveron ...tok a lot of the easy ones...
21:06 mveron took
21:08 wajasu when the marc record item status is sent to "Lost".  does the itemlost in the item table get syncronized?
21:08 wajasu sent/set/
21:09 mveron Oh, it's late... Good night everybody :-)
21:09 mtompset mveron: Good day (24 hour period) :)
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21:09 mtompset DOH! I forgot to ask nengard a question.
21:09 mveron :-)
21:11 wizzyrea she's still here, nlengard?
21:11 wizzyrea (I think?)
21:11 wizzyrea nlegrand, that is not the same thing as nlengard. Wow that's a letter mixup, sorry!
21:12 cait i think legrand is from france
21:12 cait nle...
21:12 wizzyrea that makes a lot more sensel
21:12 wizzyrea sense.
21:12 cait i can tell you more after next week :)
21:12 wizzyrea sensel. Like tinsel, but with sense!
21:14 mtompset Looks like the blou ping system has timed out. :(
21:15 cait ?
21:20 eythian hi
21:22 tcohen @later tell oleonard I need to ask you about the GetMarcISBN code, it should look just like GetMarcISSN but it doesn't
21:22 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
21:23 cait tcohen: if you start looking at the cover code anyway... could you please tell it to use isbn13?
21:23 cait in 3.12 there is code that normalizes to isbn10
21:23 cait which is... kinda backwards
21:23 wizzyrea it is if amazon recognises isbn13
21:23 wizzyrea it isn't if they dont :/
21:24 rangi thats cos amazon only recognises 10
21:24 cait i think that might not be true any longer
21:24 cait or you would never get covers for new books
21:24 wizzyrea that would be wicked.
21:24 rangi it is for most of their catalogue
21:25 rangi until they go back and backfill, which i cant imagine them doing anytime fast
21:25 tcohen cait: i've been there, but my work didn't have feedback and I left it
21:25 wajasu maybe if none found, try isbn13
21:26 wizzyrea cait - do you have an example 13 that has no 10 in Amazon?
21:26 cait every new book
21:26 tcohen as far as I can tell we should move all that external cover libs into template plugins, and make them adjust the ISBN's to whatever each service needs
21:26 rangi yep
21:27 tcohen and close bug 706 of course :-P
21:27 rangi amazon have their own numbering scheme
21:27 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=706 minor, P2, ---, henridamien, CLOSED FIXED, search results page has no 'previous' link
21:27 tcohen no, not that one
21:27 rangi they dont really care
21:28 cait tcohen: woiuld love that
21:28 cait also have the server get the image
21:28 tcohen bug 906
21:28 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=906 enhancement, P2, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , ISBN Check
21:28 rangi cait: thats against T&c
21:28 cait wizzyrea: they seemto have lot of isbn10 around... but actually you shouldn't be able to have an isbn10 for every isbn13
21:28 cait rangi: you have to have the client get the picture?
21:29 rangi yes
21:29 cait i really need to add that german service we have now :(
21:29 rangi for amazon at least
21:29 wizzyrea[…]1394141256&sr=1-3 THis book is brand new, it has both.
21:30 cait wizzyrea: yeah found a few too
21:31 cait I think the problem i ran into was that the german provier doesn't do isbn10 at all
21:31 cait but only isbn13
21:31 cait so just the other way around
21:31 cait so what tcohen said, should be plugins
21:32 rangi when you cache content, (like you do if the server fetches it) you have to read really carefully all the terms of service
21:32 rangi and make sure you comply, cos its now your problem
21:32 rangi if the client fetches, it's their problem
21:32 cait i don#t want to cache really
21:32 rangi you are caching
21:33 rangi if you fetch, then return it to the browser
21:33 rangi you are caching
21:33 rangi thats the point
21:33 cait hm ok, don't fetch for a longer time
21:33 rangi only some API define a time
21:33 cait i think the german provider really allows that
21:33 rangi google you cant keep longer thanthe headers allow
21:33 cait because it started with that kind of discussion
21:33 rangi which is ok, amazon, you cant do it at all
21:34 cait data privacy...
21:34 wahanui i heard data privacy was an important topic for us
21:34 rangi so its not as simple as making them all fetch it has to be a case by case thing,and you want actual lawyers to read the T&C
21:34 cait there was an article in a big newspaper here about a university library catalog using amazon for covers
21:34 rangi yep, im just saying it opens the project up for getting sued
21:35 rangi if people muck it up
21:35 cait maybe the plugin idea is not a bad one
21:35 tcohen you have to do it in-house and take responsibility
21:35 cait yeah
21:35 rangi yep
21:35 cait for example in order for it to be legal for a library here to display covers
21:35 cait not only the service provider terms need to be considered I think
21:36 cait because there is copyright on covers
21:36 cait but there exists some kind of contract negotiated by one of the library associations to cover that
21:36 cait it's all terribly complicated :(
21:37 rangi yes
21:37 rangi not something you can solve by a general thing in koha
21:37 cait yeah... but everyone wants covers
21:38 cait something you can plug in easily maybe
21:43 wajasu does anyone know how the "refine your search" Availabiliy should work?  if i have 2 books, both marked as lost, should the biblio inthe results be hidden when one sees "Limit to currently available items" ?
21:44 wajasu i'm in the prog theme
21:45 eythian That's what I'd expect. Whether it does that, I don't know...
21:47 eythian cait: kristina just gave us big blocks of German chocolate :)
21:47 cait cool, wha tkind? :)
21:48 cait and she didn't bring some boring but consistent beer for you? :)
21:48 eythian She had some Ritter Sport, but I brought back ~1kg of that from Berlin, so I took the Milka instead.
21:48 wizzyrea mine is joghurt ritter, which, joghurt is what happens to me when I job
21:48 eythian Alas, no :)
21:48 wizzyrea well that was freudian.
21:49 eythian wizzyrea: it was also joghurt ritter that I gave you when I came back, IIRC :)
21:49 wizzyrea yes it was!
21:49 wizzyrea well there were a couple kinds in there.
21:50 eythian[…]biw=1918&bih=1012 <-- that is actually what it looks like inside. It's pretty cool.
21:51 wizzyrea wowie
21:51 wizzyrea honestly must get to germany one day.
21:51 wizzyrea europe generally.
21:51 cait i really like ritter sport
21:52 wajasu all color coded!
21:52 cait the put ads on stairs, it's quite nice sometimes
21:53 cait eythian: actually you were much closer here to th ehome of ritter sport than in berlin :)
21:53 eythian heh, where's it actually from?
21:53 cait eythian: iirc they are close to stuttgart, where we had the workshop
21:53 eythian ah right
21:54 cait i will probably bring some to france
21:54 cait i think you can't get all flavours there a tleast...
21:54 cait quite hard to find something that's not available all over europe
21:55 cait
21:55 * magnuse will manage to do that ;-)
21:55 eythian it'll be like raw herring or something.
21:55 dcook joined #koha
21:56 rangi i got schoko bang, which is zarbitter mit chili
21:56 irma joined #koha
21:56 magnuse eythian: mohahahaha
21:56 magnuse kia ora irma!
21:57 cait magnuse: hmpf :)
21:57 magnuse oops, still no packing done and we leave for marseille early on saturday
21:57 cait rangi: yummy
21:57 cait I still need to do laundry...
21:58 cait but leaving on Sunday, have a bit more time :)
21:58 magnuse cait: lucky you ;-)
21:58 cait or lucky you :)
21:58 eythian I managed to get mine done on the last fine day that was then followed by 4 days of rain and wind.
21:58 eythian it was quite fortunate.
21:59 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:59 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.7°C (10:55 PM CET on March 06, 2014). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
22:00 eythian @wunder nzwn
22:00 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (10:30 AM NZDT on March 07, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
22:00 eythian it's been better here since yesterday or so
22:00 dcook ^
22:01 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
22:01 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 22.0°C (8:30 AM EST on March 07, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
22:02 rangi[…]35591693917266452  <--- nice
22:02 rangi not the price, i cant afford 33.95 for a tshirt, but the design is nice :)
22:02 dcook I was just thinking that, rangi :p
22:03 cait rangi: the mahara stuff is really nice too
22:03 rangi yeah
22:03 rangi it really is
22:03 cait we should have nice koha stuff!
22:03 magnuse wow, that would be expensive for a tshirt even in norway
22:03 rangi
22:04 rangi[…]oductId=751374936
22:05 rangi[…]oductId=298433291 too
22:05 cait git commited to koha :)
22:05 wizzyrea I have one of those :)
22:05 cait wonder how expensive shipping would be
22:06 wizzyrea it's humongous
22:06 dcook ^
22:06 wizzyrea the caffienated beverage of my choice in that would make me fly to the moon.
22:06 cait i was afraid it would be
22:06 wizzyrea so I use it for pens.
22:06 wizzyrea :P
22:06 dcook wizzyrea: I have no idea what you just said, but it sounds frightening?
22:06 cait rangi: was thinking of those especially:
22:07 wizzyrea just that if I drank that much coffee I'd have enough power to jitter my way to the moon.
22:07 cait wizzyrea: is 11897 a thing in US?
22:08 dcook wizzyrea: Ahhh.
22:08 * eythian wonders what would make good work music for today.
22:08 bag bag?
22:08 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL
22:08 bag YAY!
22:09 wizzyrea cait: err, I can see the utility of that.
22:09 wizzyrea I never had any libraries that did that
22:09 dcook eythian: That's a good question.
22:09 rhcl bag: ever attend any minor league games? season will be starting soon
22:10 dcook Err, wondering
22:10 cait i haven't had heard of it either, but it seems to be common in UK
22:10 wizzyrea dcook?
22:10 wahanui rumour has it dcook is missing part of that original link due to a smiley face that comes up in dcook's IRC client
22:10 wizzyrea snicker.
22:10 dcook I...
22:10 dcook O_o
22:10 bag rhcl I have attended minor league games
22:11 bag I used to go to the beehive in new britian ct all the time
22:11 rhcl I've attended a couple of these:
22:13 rangi eythian:[…]/03-nature-of-man
22:14 rangi for some wellington sounds
22:15 mtompset (Frank Sinatra, wizzyrea)
22:15 wizzyrea yes, just like that :)
22:17 eythian
22:22 eythian
22:29 * eythian just google musics "headless chickens", and hits "radio". That'll do for the next hour or two.
22:29 rangi :)
22:29 wizzyrea O.o
22:30 eythian <-- wizzyrea, start here
22:30 * wizzyrea pauses her dub-trance
22:30 wizzyrea oh that is less metal than I expected.
22:31 pianohacker wizzyrea: ... you listen to dub trance? :D
22:31 wizzyrea ... yes
22:32 pianohacker ... could I trouble you for some links, oh miss who I have an unexpected shared interest with?
22:33 eythian wizzyrea: not metal at all, 90's NZ music.
22:33 tcohen night #koha
22:33 eythian good for a sunny Friday
22:33 wizzyrea I like it :)
22:33 rangi pianohacker:[…]stinkahz-in-paris
22:33 eythian even if there's no BBQ going :)
22:33 wizzyrea there should totally be a bbq going.
22:34 wizzyrea it's the most summery day out there, and it's fracking autumn.
22:34 wizzyrea after about 3 days of winter.
22:34 rangi pianohacker:[…]called-red-braves (not trance at all)
22:34 wizzyrea[…]young-years-sound < is what I was listening to before headless chickens.
22:34 rangi but a tribe called red are cool
22:35 wizzyrea that is probably less dub than trance
22:35 rangi
22:35 wizzyrea rangi really covers the dubstep better than I do
22:35 rangi dubstep you says
22:36 * dcook wonders if he is the hipster of #koha...
22:36 * wizzyrea gears up for the "can rangi find the music" game
22:36 wizzyrea it's one of my favourite games.
22:36 dcook But...I wear new clothes and sensible glasses..
22:36 * pianohacker is listening to links now
22:36 rangi[…]ire-saturn-by-sgt
22:37 rangi the drop is pretty epic, and it takes a long time to get there
22:37 wizzyrea dcook: sometimes the things go together:[…]ne-sound-remedyyy
22:39 dcook wizzyrea++
22:39 wizzyrea ^ I happen to find that remix *amazing*
22:39 dcook She's super nervous on stage
22:39 dcook Saw them play back in February
22:39 rangi course i dont just listen to dubstep
22:40 rangi i listen to almost any random remix
22:40 wizzyrea actually most of the sound remedy stuff I like quite well.
22:40 rangi[…]e-slow-sleng-teng  <-- for example
22:40 rangi one for dcook, you cant live in australia and not worship kylie
22:41 dcook lol
22:41 dcook I'm not born here though, so I might get an exemption
22:41 dcook I probably need to file some paperwork for it though...
22:41 wizzyrea LIEs.
22:41 rangi hehe
22:41 dcook Friend of mine here in Sydney:
22:41 wizzyrea oh that feel the fire one is quite good
22:41 dcook I especially like "Strawberries and Razorblades" from Stargazers
22:41 rangi dcook:[…]er-youth-love-thy  <-- maybe more your speed
22:42 * wizzyrea is not super keen on ear bleeding dubstep
22:42 pianohacker any love for chvrches?
22:42 dcook ^
22:42 rangi not after what happened last time
22:42 wizzyrea I like the stuff that mixes progressive trance and dubstep
22:42 cait left #koha
22:42 dcook Oh, we drove her away
22:42 eythian Norway's music scene has opinions on chvrches too...
22:43 rangi dcook: i might also ambush people .. warning
22:43 * dcook fetches a link for eythian
22:43 pianohacker eythian: Norway?
22:43 wahanui rumour has it Norway is beautiful
22:43 dcook eythian:
22:44 pianohacker I really like the london grammar remix, really nice vocal/dubsteppy mix
22:44 rangi pianohacker: and the last link for today
22:44 wizzyrea[…]g-you-soundremedy
22:45 pianohacker @rangi++
22:45 rangi you can blame eythian for that one
22:45 huginn pianohacker: downloading the Perl source
22:45 pianohacker good stuff
22:45 pianohacker dammit
22:45 eythian dcook: Norway's major export: black metal.
22:45 pianohacker rangi++
22:45 eythian err ^-- pianohacker rather
22:45 wizzyrea because they have darkness in their souls because long dark winters.
22:45 wizzyrea or something.
22:45 wahanui hmmm... something is sketchy
22:45 wizzyrea it's me, I admit.
22:45 pianohacker oh that wasn't a typo, the band CHVRCHES
22:45 pianohacker derp
22:46 dcook pianohacker: I've only listened to a few songs, but I've liked 'em
22:46 pianohacker sweet :)
22:46 * wizzyrea has not listened but will
22:46 wizzyrea ah music day in #koha, I have missed it.
22:46 dcook rangi, wizzyrea: digging both daughter remixxes
22:46 dcook hehe
22:46 rangi id totally go to a babymetal concert
22:47 wizzyrea hehehe
22:47 rangi looks hella fun
22:47 dcook I still have yet to read that article..
22:48 rangi eythian: imagine them opening kiwicon :)
22:48 eythian heh
22:48 wizzyrea l. o. l.
22:48 pianohacker oh damn this feel the fire mix is goooood
22:48 eythian rangi: I accidentally had two of those links playing at the same time about 0.2 seconds out, it sounds a lot better like that.
22:48 rangi kiwicon last year was opened with a metal band
22:48 rangi best opening keynote ever
22:48 wizzyrea ^.^
22:49 dcook another Norwegian export apparently:[…]Tale/2CI41o?src=5
22:49 dcook Wha?
22:49 rangi <--shaky camera angle, but you get the idea
22:51 dcook I really need to cross the ditch sometime
22:52 dcook You folks are neat
22:52 wizzyrea pianohacker:
22:53 pianohacker wizzyrea++
22:53 eythian dcook: that video was pretty great
22:53 dcook Oh wow there's more after the song
22:54 pianohacker ahh I'd forgotten how good this medicine remix was, the original is way too downtempo
23:00 papa joined #koha
23:16 pianohacker wtf is going on with babymetal
23:16 rangi heh
23:16 dcook I love/hate that moment when you finally figure out the reason your program isn't working the way you think it should be working...
23:16 dcook because you forget to mod the index again after your initial test.
23:17 dcook Err, indexing config rather..
23:17 * dcook glares at the commented out 035 in records.abs
23:17 dcook record.abs*
23:17 dcook pianohacker: So what is the deal there? I haven't brought myself to reading about it yet
23:17 dcook Partially, I'm not sure if I actually do want to know...
23:17 pianohacker ... have you watched the video?
23:17 dcook Nopes
23:18 pianohacker dcook:
23:18 dcook I'm a little bit terrified
23:18 * dcook takes a deep breath and clicks
23:18 wizzyrea it's not as terrible as it seems like it should be
23:18 dcook wth...
23:19 dcook wizzyrea: So true
23:19 dcook 30 seconds in and I thought it would be much worse
23:19 pianohacker there's that moment just a bit in where it goes from "*yawn* j-pop..." to "METAL DANCING KAWAII OF DOOM"
23:20 wizzyrea @quote add Pianohacker: there's that moment just a bit in where it goes from "*yawn* j-pop..." to "METAL DANCING KAWAII OF DOOM"
23:20 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
23:20 wizzyrea curses.
23:21 wizzyrea @quote add Pianohacker: there's that moment just a bit in where it goes from "*yawn* j-pop..." to "METAL DANCING KAWAII OF DOOM"
23:21 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #300 added.
23:21 wizzyrea there we go.
23:21 wizzyrea @quote random
23:21 pianohacker wizzyrea: that hybrid video is interesting, I'm not sure what to think of that
23:21 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the open, nothing is hidden so you can see what is going on at any time. [...] Koha grows through its strong and vibrant community, and the best users are the ones who invest the time in asking questions." (added by wizzyrea at 08:00 PM, April 14, 2011)
23:21 wizzyrea @quote random
23:21 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #192: "sekjal: running on master is a great way to catch bugs... but then you have bugs." (added by wizzyrea at 04:02 PM, March 09, 2012)
23:21 rangi what a bunch of hippy drivel
23:21 rangi who wrote that
23:21 wizzyrea that guy, he's super idealistic.
23:21 pianohacker some silly sappy dude
23:21 wizzyrea it's awesome
23:22 wizzyrea @quote random
23:22 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #168: "gmcharlt: #koha is ALL the time" (added by chris_n at 09:01 PM, December 01, 2011)
23:22 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
23:22 pianohacker sort of dude who would welcome a shy 17-year-old into a coding community :)
23:23 dcook pianohacker: That's perhaps one of the worst videos I've seen in quite some time
23:23 barton joined #koha
23:23 wizzyrea get the popcorn
23:23 wahanui Get it yourself, wizzyrea.
23:23 wizzyrea <3 wahanui
23:24 dcook My brain actually hurts now
23:24 pianohacker dcook: Did you watch it all the way through?
23:24 pianohacker dcook++ # for bravery
23:24 dcook Unfortunately yes
23:24 dcook It's genius though.
23:24 dcook I bet they'll make a mint.
23:25 * dcook goes back to his meandering post-rock for a bit.
23:25 dcook Well, maybe not meandering...
23:25 dcook mellow
23:26 pianohacker Here, something a bit more trancey:[…]at-justine-suissa
23:26 pianohacker prog house allegedly but whatever
23:26 dcook Current track:
23:26 dcook Finally coming around to Rave Tapes
23:28 wizzyrea pianohacker: if you are not sensitive to strobe lighting,[…]jdrTM8&feature=kp
23:28 pianohacker ah what a sell
23:28 wizzyrea well you don't have to watch I reckon
23:29 pianohacker wizzyrea: wait, is this the same orbital of halcyon (and on and on) fame?
23:29 wizzyrea yep
23:29 wizzyrea :)
23:29 pianohacker cool! Thanks
23:29 wizzyrea the not-live version is probably on grooveshark somewhere
23:30 pianohacker omfg my keycaps are here brbbbbbbbbb
23:30 wizzyrea orbital took several years off, then came back with a really amazing album
23:32 dcook (Oh ElasticSearch...I yearn for you)
23:33 trea joined #koha
23:38 mtj @wunder sydney, australia
23:38 huginn mtj: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 24.0°C (10:00 AM EST on March 07, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
23:40 dcook Hmm, getting warmer
23:40 dcook Apparently my support emails are going to my junk mail as well. Nice one, Outlook.
23:40 dcook I was wondering why it was quiet..
23:41 rangi you use outlook?
23:41 rangi poor you
23:42 dcook Yeah, our work machines are all Windows :/
23:42 mtj some good friday scrollback peeps :p
23:42 dcook I suppose I could use Thunderbird although not sure what options there are for shared calendars..
23:43 * wizzyrea has an easy way to fix that
23:44 wizzyrea start -> run -> cmd -> format c: -> insert linux cd -> reboot
23:44 wizzyrea </snark>
23:44 wizzyrea :)
23:44 trea and yet still true
23:48 dcook hehe
23:49 dcook I have a debian image and a blank dvd right there...
23:49 * wizzyrea whispers "do... it...."
23:49 dcook lol
23:49 dcook It's not my computer so I can't really make that decision :p
23:50 dcook You know Microsoft sucks when you have to Google how to do everything..
23:51 wizzyrea well technically that's one of the signs that you're a good engineer, that you know which book to look in when you don't know :P
23:51 wizzyrea but you're right! microsoft sucks!
23:51 dcook true true
23:51 dcook engineer/doctor/lawyer/etc
23:54 dcook I was using MS Access 2010 or 2013 yesterday and it's help menu actually said something along the lines of "Don't use this option or you won't be able to do X"
23:54 dcook As in you couldn't access certain functionality by short-cuts, menus, etc.
23:54 dcook :S
23:54 dcook Also, Access...*shudder*
23:57 pianohacker The right hand has keycaps! https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcd[…]_1058212689_n.jpg
23:57 wizzyrea pianohacker: you and cjh should talk about this project.
23:58 pianohacker ooh, he a keyboard nerd too? (and is he coming to hackfest?)
23:58 wizzyrea ping cjh_ ^ see that link
23:58 wizzyrea apropos of your keyboard ... thing
23:59 dcook pianohacker: What is the project? I see bits and pieces here and there
23:59 pianohacker dcook: This is the right hand of a keyboard kit I've been slowly soldering and assembling

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