Time Nick Message 00:17 mtompset Greetings, talljoy. 00:17 talljoy yo mtompset 00:22 wizzyrea mtompset: acquisitions handles money and records of what has been ordered and from whom, cataloguing is the last step of that. 00:22 eythian mtompset: acquisitions is acquiring, cataloguing is cataloguing. 00:22 wizzyrea if that makes sense 00:24 mtompset But doesn't receiving an acquisition actually catalog it? 00:25 mtompset (inside the acquisitions section) 00:27 wizzyrea cataloguing an item is part of the acquisitions workflow, yes 00:27 wizzyrea but they are not dependent 00:27 wizzyrea you can catalogue an item without going through acquisitions. 00:28 wizzyrea I think there are people who use acquisitions but don't use it to catalogue as well, though that might be a mad scheme. 00:31 mtompset Okay. I think I understand. Frankly, acquisitions is a horribly ugly process for a person who has never tried it before. 00:32 eythian it is a bit of a heavyweight process. 00:34 wizzyrea yep, it's special 00:37 mtompset I think the teacher double talk word for it is... gifted. ;) 00:53 tcohen decent hotel in london? for a couple? 01:04 eythian Look at the reviews on e.g. booking.com 01:04 eythian I've generally found that sort of thing reliable. 01:06 rangi yeah, trivago.com is quite handy too 01:06 * dcook perks up 01:06 rangi pulls up all the deals, and has reviews 01:08 dcook Going to London, tcohen? 01:09 eythian there're also too many hotels in London for a useful recommendation :) I've only stayed at two, one was good because it was a week for free (a friend was the housekeeper/barmaid) and the other was just overnight. 01:09 dcook I've only stayed at hostels in London (other than a hotel once years ago as a student) 01:09 rangi dcook: http://junkee.com/tony-abbott-slammed-by-greens-senator-in-jaw-dropping-speech-of-the-year-we-want-our-country-back/30146 <=== awesome 01:10 dcook rangi: I keep meaning to watch that... 01:10 rangi this bit is my fave 01:10 rangi “Prime Minister, you are welcome to take your heartless, racist exploitation of people’s fears and ram it as far from Western Australia as your taxpayer-funded travel entitlements can take you,†01:10 dcook That's the tagline that I've seen so far :) 01:11 dcook I can't bring myself to read the publications where he claims to be a feminist 01:11 dcook Just nothing to be gained by consuming that media 01:12 dcook For non-Australians: the dude is quite the misogynist. 01:12 dcook (dcook likes actual feminists) 01:19 tcohen dcook: yes! one of our honeymoon places 01:19 dcook tcohen: Ah, I had the feeling that might be the case! Exciting! When do you go? 01:20 tcohen we're going to several places 01:20 tcohen beggining march 23 01:21 tcohen they all seem quite small and expensive 01:21 tcohen just as if the Holiday Inn costs the same 01:24 dcook That...was a great video. Go, Scott Ludlam. 01:25 dcook London is a tough one :/ 01:26 tcohen dcook: indeed! 01:30 dcook Perhaps ashimema might have some ideas? 01:30 dcook I think he lives in/just outside of London? 01:30 dcook I don't know why, but everytime I think about a few of you folks, I think of Pirate Pizza and beer 01:30 dcook Also tcohen is just awesome in the arcade :p 01:31 tcohen heh 01:32 tcohen i performed in the motorbikes, i recall 01:32 dcook You really did! 01:32 tcohen ashimema: around? 01:33 rangi its about 2.30am 01:33 rangi so i doubt it 01:33 dcook Hmm, not working hard enough then! 01:33 tcohen d*mn sleepers 01:33 dcook Have you been before, tcohen? 01:34 tcohen no dcook, first timer! 01:34 tcohen i've only been to madrid, barcelona and roland-garros actually 01:34 dcook That's so exciting! 01:34 dcook Roland-garros? 01:35 tcohen heh, i took a train at the airport, that combined with the subway took me to roland-garros 01:38 rangi Los niños comen pan 01:38 rangi thats about all i can remember from duolingo 01:38 rangi i figure i can get by telling argentinians that boys eat bread 01:38 rangi 'what would you like to eat?" "the boys eat bread" 01:39 rangi 'where is your hotel?' "the boys eat bread" 01:39 tcohen heh 01:39 tcohen i can teach you a few 01:39 tcohen "quiero un lomito" 01:39 tcohen -> http://www.betos.com.ar/ 01:39 eythian "where are my pants" 01:40 tcohen the taste of lomitos in Cordoba is awesome 01:40 rangi ohh 01:40 rangi that does look good 01:40 rangi i can always remember ham and eggs 01:40 rangi jamon and huevo 01:41 rangi but i always have an urge to pronounce jamon as if i was michael jackson 01:42 tcohen ham-ón 01:42 rangi yep 01:42 tcohen eythian: pants == underwear? 01:42 tcohen "¿donde estan mis calzones?" 01:42 dcook acqui = here (I believe) 01:43 tcohen accented i 01:43 tcohen spelled "aquÃ" 01:43 dcook Yeah, I should've used my charmap 01:45 rangi https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQNIJsuNk7SVkP8XugBcliXfeWw0SG0vxWCzlHhmQIg4Q3eCOo82g 01:45 dcook I think aquÃ, pulpo, corazón, cerveza...might be the only words I know outside numbers 01:46 dcook tcohen: But yeah I think Brits/Aussies/Kiwis might call underwear pants? 01:46 * dcook isn't sure about that one 01:46 dcook I should probably clarify before I keep talking about pants... 01:46 rangi normally call them underpants 01:46 eythian tcohen: in NZ English, it's ambiguous. 01:46 tcohen heh 01:47 eythian usually identifiable from the context, or being specific :) 01:47 dcook It made me wonder about wizzyrea and co saying stuff is 'pants' :p 01:47 dcook Perhaps that's a third meaning? 01:47 dcook Damned polysemy 01:47 eythian http://www.reddit.com/r/thatpicofnzfromspace 01:48 rangi http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/pants 01:51 dcook Good one, rangi 02:00 jcamins tcohen: base2stay. 02:01 * tcohen is looking for it, thanks jcamins! 02:04 mtompset [off] Actually on a bizarre side comment about pants. I figured out why underwear is called pants. Think about the feminine panties. 02:06 mtompset wizzyrea: Are you the one to talk to about tweaking a www.koha-community.org page? 02:06 rangi whttps://twitter.com/ricep0d/status/441385077193183232/photo/1 02:07 rangi hmm without the w 02:07 rangi https://twitter.com/ricep0d/status/441385077193183232/photo/1 02:08 eythian mtompset: pantaloons 02:08 mtompset Haven't thought that out, eythian. :P 02:09 mtompset I was wondering who might be able to help get a tweak to http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ as per bug 11830's discussion. Or if perhaps, there's a better solution still? 02:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11830 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Document disk space requirements for git install on Ubuntu 02:10 eythian via French, from an 1580's Italian comedy character "Pantaloun" who wore tight trousers over skinny legs. Originally San Pantaleone, the name coming from Greek and meaning "all compassionate" 02:10 eythian don't you know your history, mtompset? 02:10 mtompset eythian: Nope. I'm a computer person, not a history buff. 02:24 mtompset eythian, anyone? Any idea on how to trigger a case for bug 11797? I'm pretty sure this will fix it, but I don't know how to trigger it. 02:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11797 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , auth_finder.pl: Odd number of elements in anonymous hash 02:26 eythian your else condition looks fishy given the if right below it, or is it doing something like not emptying out the variable, in which case it should be properly scoped? 02:28 eythian ok, $subfield_to_report is badly scoped, but I can't see how that would ever get an odd number of elements. 02:28 eythian Maybe if $field was undefined. 02:30 mtompset 1049... 02:30 mtompset if the first letter does not exist in the key. 02:31 eythian I think that the best way to fix it is to move $subfields_to_report into the foreach, fix the reference to it near the end of the function (which makes no sense), and I have no opinion on 162 because I know nothing about it. 02:31 mtompset And that could be possible if 180, etc. came before a 162. 02:31 eythian never rely on order in MARC 02:32 mtompset which is why I gave the scenario. 02:32 eythian and what is "1049"? 02:32 mtompset because the 180 would set the variable to 'v....' 02:32 mtompset and then '162' wouldn't change it. 02:32 eythian the point is more that having it scoped properly is the best fix 02:32 mtompset but there is no 'v' for a 162. 02:32 eythian because it fixes a bad smell. 02:33 eythian yeah, but it doesn't matter if there's no 'v' 02:33 eythian oh 02:33 eythian it does matter if an empty list is returned. 02:33 mtompset which is why I put else. 02:33 eythian Never depend on having particular fields or subfields in marc 02:33 eythian the report should be done, and then that should be tested. 02:34 eythian because if you get no output from it, you're still going to have issues. 02:34 mtompset no, because the second 'else' uses 'a'. 02:34 eythian e.g. if I make a record with only 'u' fields, that'll break this 02:35 mtompset Yes, that is true. 02:35 mtompset but the list needs to be comprehensive. 02:35 eythian it's still assuming that the data it's looking over is correct, which is invariably a bad idea. 02:35 eythian that doesn't matter. 02:35 eythian as it stands, it's got a fair bit of code-smell 02:36 mtompset actually, if the field doesn't exist, I think the $field->subfield('u') would return ''; 02:36 tcohen night #koha, thanks for the help eythian 02:36 eythian later 02:36 mtompset good night, tcohen. 02:37 tcohen night mtompset 02:37 eythian mtompset: and what does it return if you ask it for a subfield that doesn't exist? 02:37 mtompset eythian: And how would you scope the variable differently? 02:37 eythian err. 02:37 eythian I'd scope it tighter. 02:38 mtompset That's what I believe 'u' is... non-existent. 02:38 eythian Scope everything as tight as possible. 02:38 mtompset how? 02:38 eythian mtompset: but what does it return in this case? 02:38 eythian mtompset: by moving it into the foreach 02:38 mtompset oh... undef. 02:38 eythian and fixing the weird reference to it later in the function. 02:39 eythian it's valid to have an undef in a hashref, so that's maybe not the source of your "odd number of items" thing. 02:39 mtompset moving it into the foreach? 02:39 eythian well, right now it's outside the foreach. 02:39 mtompset foreach ... { my blah; ... }? 02:40 eythian no 02:40 eythian my $subfields_to_report; 02:40 eythian foreach my $field ($record->field('1..')) { 02:40 eythian becomes 02:40 eythian foreach my $field ($record->field('1..')) { 02:40 eythian my $subfields_to_report; 02:40 mtompset That's what I said, but used blah. :P 02:40 eythian oh right 02:40 eythian so you did 02:41 eythian but, you'll have to deal with the spurious reference to it a few lines below all this. 02:41 mtompset well, on goes the chauffeur hat. I'll be back. 02:48 rangi *sigh* 02:53 eythian http://instagram.com/p/lL1K4xGmvZ/ <-- OBEY HOLLYWOOD 03:04 mtompset What's the sign for, rangi? 03:06 mtompset Ewwww! 1130? Is that what you were talking about eythian? 03:06 eythian huh? 03:07 mtompset "but, you'll have to deal with the spurious reference to it a few lines below all this." 03:07 mtompset Oops, I meant *sigh* not sign. 03:08 mtompset Oh... someone not reading the manual? 03:09 rangi yep just the usual 03:09 eythian I can't talk in line numbers as I have a different version checked out. 03:09 eythian But, it's the only other reference to subfields_to_report in the file 03:12 mtompset It's the weird one line reference in the middle of a 6.. foreach. 03:13 mtompset Oops 880. 03:13 mtompset I don't get how that code even works! 03:22 eythian I bet it doesn't 03:29 mtompset 880 is a weird field. Trying to understand it. 03:32 mtompset well, I think the term => blah is pushed out in a way that it used by koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/includes/opac-authorities.inc 03:36 mtompset 880$w?! WHAT?! How do we even know 'w' is used? 03:39 eythian never assume 03:40 mtompset That 880 code is rather... convoluted and strange. 03:42 mtompset oh! It assumes the 880 is only linked to 4xx or 5xx fields! 03:46 eythian bag: I now have a very preliminary "title starts with" type search working. Now it'll be easier to do the rest. 03:55 * Oak waves 04:02 eythian wajasu: patch is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/bfHvGkj.jpg 04:03 eythian err 04:03 eythian wahanui: patch is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/bfHvGkj.jpg 04:03 wahanui ...but patch is pretty old now, good luck... 04:03 eythian no wahanui, patch is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/bfHvGkj.jpg 04:03 wahanui okay, eythian. 04:08 mtompset Something like that, eythian. :) 04:08 mtompset Hi, Oak. 04:12 bag awesome eythian 04:23 Oak hello mtompset :) 04:35 * eythian wonders if there's any documentation for how the QueryBuilder is supposed to work around anywhere. 04:40 * mtompset laughs. 04:40 mtompset Not likely, is my guess. 04:41 eythian that sucks when you want to implement something that matches the same pattern. 04:42 mtompset Okay... figured out a way to trigger the BuildSummary function. Now running through all our authority data. Hopefully the data point that triggered the error that got me looking at 11797 happens. 04:52 dcook eythian: I used to have a vague idea 04:52 dcook Wait, not QueryBuilder 04:53 dcook What is QueryBuilder? 04:53 eythian heh 04:53 dcook http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp0vr1n25u4 04:53 dcook ^ 04:53 eythian it's intended to be an interface between user input and whatever search engine you're using 04:54 dcook For the logs... 04:54 dcook Vivian Jaffe: Have you ever transcended space and time? 04:54 dcook Albert Markovski: Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about. 04:55 dcook eythian: That would be handy 04:55 eythian it would be handier if it were well documented. 04:56 dcook ^ 05:07 mtompset I guess it didn't like that for loop. ;) 05:11 mtompset let's try again. :) It's only 2700ish seconds. 05:39 eythian @wunder nzwn 05:39 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (6:30 PM NZDT on March 06, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising). 05:42 mtompset woo hoo! triggered the error... 05:42 mtompset bad news... don't know which authority number did it. 05:42 wajasu KABOOM 05:45 mtompset YAY! I am thankful that WGET was timestamping. :) 05:45 mtompset found the busted authority record that generates our odd hash error. 05:50 wajasu cool 05:56 mtompset eythian: It's a non-existent field error. It seems that blah => undef is causing the problem. 05:57 mtompset but it isn't 162. 05:57 mtompset It's 180. 05:57 mtompset We have 180$x, not a 180$v. 05:57 mtompset And the first letter is assumed to be the one to build from. 06:00 mtompset Well, maybe it isn't undef? It definitely is the hemain line, like I suspected. 06:07 mtompset "If no matching subfields are found, undef is returned in a scalar context and an empty list in a list context." 06:08 mtompset That's the problem. 06:09 mtompset perl guesses the context wrong! 06:41 mtompset Woo hoo! Found another way to trigger the same error. :) 06:42 wajasu nice. u trigger happy? 06:45 mtompset No. I just forgot how to trigger the first way, and I found the second way first. ;) 06:54 wajasu are you on the verge of greatness with what you are debugging? or can you resume discussing the search behavior for lost/hidden items. 07:07 wajasu i think i know what's needed. 07:13 mtompset It's 2:12AM... 07:13 mtompset I'm not quite in the right frame of mind to discuss searching. Sorry. 07:13 wajasu game over. for me as well. got a lead on something. will look into it tomorrow. 07:14 mtompset See you later today, perhaps. :) 07:14 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. 07:24 * magnuse waves 07:32 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 1.6°C (8:32 AM CET on March 06, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 07:32 magnuse hah, i think i can top that 07:32 magnuse @wunder boo 07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:20 AM CET on March 06, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). 07:32 magnuse hah! 07:33 cait hm marseille has to catch up to my packing plans 07:34 cait bbl :) 07:37 reiveune hello 07:43 marcelr hi #koha 07:53 magnuse hiya laurence reiveune marcelr 07:53 reiveune salut magnuse 07:53 marcelr hi magnuse reiveune 07:54 reiveune salut marcelr :) 07:55 laurence helle magnuse 07:57 magnuse hællæ! 08:02 alex_a bonjour 08:04 Joubu hello 08:04 wahanui niihau, Joubu 08:12 cait @wunder Marseille 08:12 huginn cait: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 3.4°C (9:12 AM CET on March 06, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Rising). 08:15 magnuse "Realtor, CABRIES" does not quite sound like "marseille", though? 08:16 magnuse woohoo, look at that: http://www.yr.no/place/France/Provence-Alpes-C%C3%B4te_d%E2%80%99Azur/Marseille/long.html 08:17 cait magnuse: that's more like ti! 08:32 ashimema @later tell tcohen you called? 08:32 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 09:10 Oak magnuse 09:10 Oak guten morgen cait 09:10 Oak Bonjour alex_a, Joubu 09:11 Oak should just use 'hi everyone' actually. hm. 09:11 Oak because otherwise i miss some. 09:12 Oak stop talking now Oak. 09:12 Oak okay. 09:20 magnuse Oak 09:43 HB Hey koha a question about field 008 if i want to change a book to continuing resource on that field it wont do that (afther i save its back the old thing again) anny tips ? 09:49 fridolin hie all 10:02 magnuse bonjour fridolin 10:38 paxed basket shows gste total rather weidly: http://bilious.alt.org/~paxed/kohabasket_sillyvalue.png 10:38 paxed +r 10:40 cait paxed: there are several bugs related to gst and calculation in bugzilla, also there were some questions from galen on the mailinglist some time ago, rying to figure out people's expectations 10:41 cait paxed: i think it's only a display problem there tho - looks like it will give sums for each tax rate , this is the sum for all with 10% 10:41 paxed why not FORMAT ALL CURRENCY</meme> 10:41 cait because noone got around to do it yet 10:41 cait i'd love if we had a plugin like for date formatting to take care of it 10:43 paxed i'm just surprised that a program that actually handles currency wasn't coded with currency formatting in the first place. 10:48 cait it was coded for the currency formatting expected in english speaking countries and how it works for computrs 10:48 cait ... i agree that it would be nicer to have a decimal comma then a decimal point 10:48 cait but i know other library software that can't do that 10:49 paxed also that there's only one fraction after the decimal mark... 10:53 cait i think for the one you found that bit would not be hard to fix 10:53 cait TT can do it even, the old template system was not as nice 12:51 oleonard Hi #koha 12:52 magnuse hiya oleonard 12:57 gaetan_B hi oleonard 12:58 gaetan_B there's a problem in the admin with marc frameworks 12:58 magnuse gaetan_B: with memcached on? 12:58 gaetan_B the js accordion gets stuck on subfields t, did you notice it before ? 12:58 gaetan_B nope 12:58 magnuse ah, sorry, i was thinking about another problem :-) 12:59 gaetan_B i found this one while looking up bugzilla, but this seems to be another, new, bug 12:59 gaetan_B i just want to make sure it's not just with me 12:59 gaetan_B :) 13:00 gaetan_B if you try to edit constraints for a t subfield, you end up with just the headers for each section, and they won't open again 13:00 jcamins Wow, that's a funny bug. 13:00 * jcamins can reproduce. 13:01 oleonard What's something with a t? 13:01 jcamins 700 13:02 gaetan_B ok i'll open a bug on bugzilla then 13:07 gaetan_B jcamins: did you reproduce it in master 13:07 jcamins Masterish, anyway. 13:08 oleonard Simply opening the 't' tab gets you broken accordion? Or do you have to do something else? 13:08 jcamins Click on "Advanced constraints" on the t tab. 13:09 Viktor Greetings! 13:09 mtompset Greetings, oleonard jcamins #koha -- Viktor. :) -- Goes to check log files. This conversation might be interesting. :) 13:10 oleonard I guess I'm not seeing it jcamins 13:10 jcamins I'll check on latest master. 13:11 gaetan_B i have a very slow connection here and can't update my instance to a really fresh master unfortunately 13:11 jcamins I am now on latest master and I'm still seeing it. 13:11 gaetan_B ok i'll save the bug then 13:12 gaetan_B bug 11898 13:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11898 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , the js accordion when editing marc frameworks is broken for the t tab 13:12 mtompset Do you get any javascript errors, gaetan_B? 13:12 gaetan_B hmm not an enh though 13:12 gaetan_B i didn't check 13:12 jcamins oleonard: http://screencast.com/t/o2zXFrBNJhtY 13:12 gaetan_B i probably do 13:12 * mtompset grumbles about the default enhancement setting in bugzilla. 13:13 gaetan_B i'll leave it to you for now though, i'm in the middle of a training ;) 13:14 kivilahtio any ideas why there are two different codebases for adding items (cataloguing->additem.pl and acquisitions->neworder|empty|subscription|suggestion...) ? 13:14 mtompset I don't get that problem. 13:14 kivilahtio is there a third way ? :) 13:16 * oleonard still can't reproduce 13:16 mtompset Neither can I, oleonard. 13:17 mtompset Which version of Koha? What OS? 13:17 oleonard I'm testing on master, FF and Chrome on Windows 7. 13:18 jcamins I'll test on FF. 13:18 jcamins Works on FF. 13:19 gaetan_B i have the bug in ff 27 13:20 mtompset I just tried IE 11. 13:20 mtompset Couldn't reproduce. 13:20 oleonard Data-dependent? 13:20 mtompset I tried FF 27.0.1 -- couldn't reproduce. I'm using Windows 7. 13:21 gaetan_B i also have it in chromium 13:21 gaetan_B i'm on ubuntu 13:21 oleonard Works for me with FF and Chrome in my Ubuntu VM 13:21 gaetan_B i don't see why this would be os dependent though 13:21 jcamins It doesn't seem to be, because I didn't change my 700 field. 13:21 mtompset Well, sometimes Ubuntu libraries aren't as current as Debian ones. 13:21 * magnuse has taken the liberty of creating http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Developers_IRC_Meeting,_March_12_2014 - please feel free to edit 13:22 jcamins Works on FF under Ubuntu 12.04 for me. 13:22 jcamins But it's FF 26. 13:22 mtompset Same here, jcamins. Though, I have patched some of the other things. 13:22 jcamins Which is probably about thirty versions behind. 13:24 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. 13:25 mtompset magnuse++ # for thinking ahead. :) 13:27 * magnuse has taken the liberty of creating http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Developers_IRC_Meeting,_March_12_2014 13:28 magnuse gah 13:28 magnuse i completely forgot i wrote that the first time... 13:28 magnuse not a good sign... 13:30 tcohen morning mtompset magnuse #koha 13:31 mtompset magnuse: Either more caffeine or more sleep are probably in order. :) 13:32 oleonard Just a glitch in the Matrix magnuse 13:36 * magnuse does not drink coffee, but definitely needs more sleep 13:36 magnuse oleonard: yeah, if i close my eyes i see "raining" green numbers 13:39 mtompset I said caffeine. That includes colas, teas, or any other form of caffeine. :) 13:39 magnuse ah, that is true! :-) 13:39 magnuse maybe some kind of intravenous... 13:40 marcelr mtompset: did not see your patch for IsSuperLibrarian 13:40 oleonard Don't forget chocolate! 13:40 * cait sends cookies to magnuse 13:42 mtompset marcelr: It's easy to not find duplicates some times. :) 13:42 marcelr especially if you did not even search for them ;) 13:42 mtompset magnuse++ #intravenous caffeine. YES! Too much blood in my caffeine stream. ;) 13:46 magnuse lol 13:55 marcelr oleonard: Your suggestions on the last patch of bug 9032 are welcome (creating and modifying bootstrap template; no css changes at least from me..) Thx 13:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9032 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Share a list 13:55 oleonard Okay marcelr I'll take a look 14:18 rhcl @wunder 64507 14:18 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -3.9°C (8:18 AM CST on March 06, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling). 14:23 * magnuse waves to Viktor 14:24 * Viktor waves back at magnuse 14:27 * mtompset waves at Viktor and magnuse in an attempt to get a wave going around the room. ;) 14:27 mtompset Greetings, rhcl. :) 14:30 Viktor Btw - a HOLD_PRINT notice problem: <<branches.branchname>> and other values under <<branches. >> seems to collect the branch that owns a copy instead of the branch where the patron can collect the copy. Is this expected or did we just mess things up? 14:33 cait Viktor: hm if you compare to the emails, is it the same there or only for the print? 14:33 rhcl hey mtompset 14:33 wahanui somebody said mtompset was catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry. 14:34 mtompset Still not so strong in that regard. :( 14:35 Viktor cait: Hm. We don't use email much as of yet. But when we print the messages for different branches this happens when a book is borrowed from another branch. 14:35 cait i wonder if one of the settings would influence it 14:35 Viktor cait: problem is of course that people will go to the wrong branch. 14:35 cait we don't use the print notices :( 14:35 cait Viktor: maybe file a bug as a first step? 14:36 cait Viktor: it doesn't sound right 14:37 Viktor I'll do that then cait - thanks! Just wanted to know if I misunderstood this first. 14:41 Viktor Is there any cheat sheet for what those codes are suppose to contain? http://manual.koha-community.org/3.14/en/notices.html#noticemarkup keeps it to a quite general level. 14:58 cait hm not really 14:59 cait ithink it's a bit trial and error currently 15:47 fridolin bye 15:52 * dbs would like to ensure that the settings for bug 11786 are correct for getting said fixes into master and 3.14 (specifically targeting 3.14 as the version) 15:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dan, Needs Signoff , Improve RDFa schema.org mappings in prog and bootstrap 15:52 cait hi dbs - it still needs a sign off, maybe that will happen next week at the hackfest 15:58 AmitG hi 15:58 wahanui bonjour, AmitG 15:58 AmitG all 15:58 AmitG gaetan_B around? 15:58 gaetan_B hi AmitG, long time no see! 16:05 dbs cait: right, mostly I wanted to ensure that I didn't inadvertently set something that kept it from being visible in a "to sign-off / to QA" kind of queue :) 16:05 dbs cait++ 16:05 cait nope it looks alright :) 16:11 oleonard Anyone know of a library which is running the new bootstrap opac theme in production? 16:19 oleonard I posted an intro to the new Bootstrap theme on my Koha blog: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/new-opac-theme-bootstrap/ 16:19 cait oh cool 16:19 gmcharlt oleonard++ 16:19 cait oleonard: we are still on 3.12.. just arrive dther eto be honest with all of them 16:20 cait oleonard++ 16:20 cait but i will sure need this at some point 16:22 cait Joubu++ for taking on the oldest open bug :) 16:26 rhcl cait: would you say that the springer databases are popular in Europe? http://link.springer.com/ 16:27 cait the ebooks are very popular 16:27 cait not sure about the databases - I hear less about it as that is separate from the ILS 16:29 cait sorry, have to run:) post office closes in half an hour 16:49 gaetan_B bye! 16:52 barton Hey, I'm just curious: who else in #koha does tech support for Koha as their primary job? 16:55 wajasu barton: this may help http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars 17:03 barton wajasu: Thanks! Very good to know. 17:07 oleonard And you can add yourself barton :) 17:08 barton oleonard: I'm just registering for a wiki login so that I can do that :-) 17:09 reiveune bye 17:09 oleonard And if anyone else here is a regular but not on that list please add yourselves! 17:10 oleonard On the other hand, some on that list are no longer regulars 17:10 cait barton: do you need confirmation for your wiki account? 17:11 oleonard No more hdl, libsysguy, sekjal... 17:11 nengard some job titles are wrong too ... 17:11 barton cait: yes... as a matter of fact, your post was mere milliseconds after I clicked 'submit' :-)\ 17:11 cait give me a sec 17:12 barton nengard: yes. In fact there are a number of people listed as bywater employees who are no longer... 17:12 barton (come back! come back!) 17:13 nengard hehe 17:13 cait barton: confirmed:) 17:13 nengard not a big deal as i see it - those people might still come in channel an then at least we know who they are :) 17:13 bag @seen sekjal 17:13 huginn bag: sekjal was last seen in #koha 43 weeks, 6 days, 3 hours, 43 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <sekjal> our camera was put up late this year; the eggs were already there when we installed 17:13 nengard :( 17:13 barton cait: gratzi! 17:13 nengard sad 17:13 cait barton: huh? :) 17:14 barton cait: 'gratzi' == 'thank you' in Italian. 17:15 rhcl maybe there should be a way to mark list members as "inactive" if they haven't been on channel for a year or two. 17:16 rhcl I also note (and just updated my own listing) that the non-US people tend to list their country code, and nearly all the US people fail to do so. - FWIW 17:17 rhcl @seen rch 17:17 huginn rhcl: I have not seen rch. 17:18 nengard country added to mine 17:25 rhcl druthb is still listed as ByWater. \\Where are all them skittles that fell on the floor when you need some ammo?\\ 17:25 * druthb has skittles. 17:26 * bag needs one of these http://bugasalt.com/ to hit the skittles as they fly this way 17:29 mtompset cool gun, bag. 17:30 barton salty lime jello? 8-P 17:31 cait editing druthb's on her request 17:31 * cait glares a little 17:31 * druthb chuckles. 17:32 * barton notices that the wiki is glaring back at cait. 17:32 druthb hi, bag! :) 17:32 bag hey 17:33 cait it's a mediawiki... it has every reason to 17:52 rhcl @seen ricardo 17:52 huginn rhcl: ricardo was last seen in #koha 3 years, 4 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 44 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <ricardo> thd: With NICKSERV commands :) Write /nickserv help register 17:53 rhcl @seen Space_Librarian 17:53 huginn rhcl: Space_Librarian was last seen in #koha 1 year, 7 weeks, 5 days, 19 hours, 9 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <Space_Librarian> lol. good one. 17:53 cait she has a new job too 17:54 rhcl @seen cjh 17:54 huginn rhcl: cjh was last seen in #koha 6 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 42 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <cjh> heh 17:56 rhcl I need a new job. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (US) I should be a sysadmin for an oil company. 17:57 rhcl If I read the stats correctly, they pay the top 90% of wages for this job title. Wonder what life on an oil rig in the Gulf is like? 17:58 rhcl I'd think the fishing would be great. 17:59 pianohacker Hi 17:59 rhcl hi pianohacker 17:59 mtompset Greetings, pianohacker. 18:00 pianohacker hi guys 18:00 cait hi pianohacker 18:00 cait did you see my mail about dinner on sunday? 18:02 pianohacker Yes, haven't gotten a chance to read yet 18:08 cait tsk :) 18:08 magnuse i *might* join you for dinner on sunday, if you'll let me 18:08 magnuse but i'll have to stay in until 19:00, and it all depends on the little'un 18:09 magnuse so i'll just catch up if i can, don't wait for me 18:09 cait rangi++ 18:09 cait magnuse: i have been thinking about returning to the spot at 7 18:09 cait because some people can#t make it it seems 18:10 cait just have a beer/coffee somewhere close or walk down to the harbour or so 18:10 magnuse kewl 18:10 pianohacker beer coffee? I've had coffee beer 18:11 cait just try to be there ok? :) 18:11 cait magnuse: i added it to the hackfest doc - on a new tab - add your name/time as a reminder maybe? 18:12 magnuse rangi++ 18:13 magnuse cait: done 18:13 cait thx :) 19:25 rangi morning 19:27 khall good mornin rangi! 19:28 rangi morning khall :) are you a dad yet? 19:28 khall et al 19:28 khall not quite yet ; ) 19:29 khall Tomorrow is the official due date, but so far there's no indication anything is going to happen 19:29 khall We've got an appointment on Monday. They'll decide then if we should think about getting her induced 19:30 khall She's gonna be a big baby, 9+ pounds, so they don't want to wait too long ; ) 19:31 cait :) 19:31 khall how's cait today? 19:31 cait tired? :) 19:32 cait how is kyle? :) 19:32 khall full of anticipation 19:33 rangi oh yeah that is a big baby 19:34 khall I think it's scaring my wife! She's totally changed her mind about avoiding a c-section ; ) 19:34 magnuse heh, 4 kilos, eh? 19:35 khall indeed! 19:39 rangi fair enough! 19:42 rangi kahu was 3.04 kg, and atarau was 4.24kg 19:42 * magnuse wanders off to start packing for marseille 19:42 khall that's a pretty big baby! 19:43 * khall wishes everyone a great hackfest in marseille! 19:45 cait we'll miss you 19:47 mtompset Indeed. Looking forward to watching those needs sign offs dropping drastically. :) 20:04 * wajasu Search getRecords is a real piece of work. 20:05 rangi luckily its not much longer for this world 20:05 * pianohacker wants a turn at that chopping block 20:05 rangi zomg 20:06 rangi ole is at 3.3 million now 20:06 pianohacker ? 20:06 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=18995 20:07 rangi 3.1 sorry 20:07 rangi oh i lie 20:07 rangi With this latest grant, IU has now received more than $4 million from Mellon for the OLE project. 20:07 rangi thats a crap ton of money 20:07 jcamins rangi: I know! 20:08 wajasu i'm trying to reconcile hiddenitems, lostitems, etc with optional biblio results display, and auto details redirect, whilst being concerned about 9 pound babies. 20:08 pianohacker 40 developers at $100,000 for a year? You could make a lot of something with that 20:08 rangi yup 20:08 bag man we need to start writing grants 20:08 rangi we do 20:08 pianohacker any bets on whether it'll be a good something? 20:09 rangi its java 20:09 pianohacker augh 20:09 rangi it'll be a big something 20:09 bag we = something with koha that could recieve that money and put it to good use (not a for-profit) :) 20:09 pianohacker maybe a good something 20:09 pianohacker but definitely a good something 20:10 pianohacker *big something 20:10 * pianohacker needs to finish his keyboard so he can type 20:11 tcohen isn't OLe free software? 20:11 rangi :) 20:11 rangi of a sort 20:11 rangi id say its open source 20:11 tcohen no community 20:11 rangi not free software 20:12 cait [off] it's developed by one company so far... i am not sure how open it will be to contributions 20:12 cait [off] is has a membership model - you pay to decide 20:12 jcamins rangi: I'd say it's almost open source, anyway. 20:12 druthb it's also so enormous that it requires a herd of geeks to keep it happy. LOTS of moving parts. 20:12 rhcl the license seems to be OSI approved open source 20:13 druthb As I told someone from there at code4lib a couple years ago, "it's so huge that there are only about a dozen universities in the world that'll be capable of using it." 20:13 rhcl "Kuali software is available, without fee, for anyone to use or modify under the Educational Community License." 20:13 cait [off] the license is not the only thing... if you have the software and can't give back, what will you do? 20:13 tcohen [off] fork it? 20:13 jcamins rhcl: I'd be a lot more impressed by that fact if there were actual source available. Last time I looked, there wasn't. 20:14 rhcl well, I don't know of course, but surely it must be somewhere to have an approved OS license 20:14 tcohen what does Ole perform in that we don't? file repository + ILS? 20:14 jcamins tcohen: it replaces that giant Oracle program. 20:14 jcamins I can't think of what it's called. 20:14 jcamins For HR. 20:15 cait ERM 20:15 rhcl source code seems to be available here: https://www.kuali.org/download 20:15 cait Electronic resource management 20:15 * tcohen is not sure it is Oracle dependent 20:15 jcamins No, not ERM. 20:15 barton druthb: http://all-sorts.org/nouns/geeks 20:15 wajasu SAP? 20:15 jcamins That really, really big one that enterprises use. 20:15 jcamins wajasu: that's it. 20:16 cait jcamins: for what it odes we don't 20:16 cait at least that's what i am told :) 20:16 mveron Hi #Koha 20:16 jcamins rhcl: oh, looks like they have it available now. 20:16 tcohen jcamins: Java + Tomcat 20:16 tcohen + MySQL 20:17 jcamins tcohen: no, I don't mean that it uses Oracle, I meant that it provides SAP-like functionality. 20:17 cait kuali has different software 20:17 cait i think the financial part is rice 20:17 cait it's more thought to be a management software for the whole university 20:17 wajasu accounting, etc 20:17 tcohen I've seen the interface 20:17 tcohen of the ILS component 20:18 rhcl all those modules you're talking about are on the download page: https://www.kuali.org/download 20:18 druthb jcamins, I know the one you're talking about, but can't think of the name... 20:18 jcamins druthb: wajasu thought of it. SAP. 20:18 pianohacker oh, they'll be fine. We've proven that Tomcat isn't at all a barrier to deployment 20:18 tcohen it seems to have something we lack of, which is the posibility to define custom workflows 20:18 jcamins pianohacker: ::snrrrk:: 20:18 tcohen instead of having a harcoded one 20:19 druthb no, SAP is more manufacturing based…there's another one that is University centric, does classes, grades, all kinds of things *except* ILS 20:19 jcamins druthb: I thought that was SAP, too. 20:19 druthb I'm hunting for it...sec 20:19 tcohen [off] Ole is also awful BTW 20:20 rangi SAP does everything 20:20 rangi they throw it banking, academic institutes 20:20 rangi it works about as well as you would expect 20:20 rangi the other pile of crap 20:20 rangi is peoplesoft 20:21 rangi which is utter shite 20:21 rangi and costs about 7 houses 20:21 druthb The university I was at had a system they just *loved*—on paper. In operation, it sucked rocks. 20:22 mveron I'm looking for a pattern on how to fix Bug 11906 - Bad display of utf-8 chars in Patron lists (Datatable) 20:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11906 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Bad display of utf-8 chars in Patron lists (Datatable) 20:22 rangi ah right 20:22 rangi mveron: tcohen is probably the best to talk to about that 20:23 wajasu i was playing with java with apache camel message gateway to koha via a STOMP message protocol so that koha could call java services on an ESB. such as Solr, ElasticSearch, payment gateways, etc 20:23 druthb SCT Banner. That's the one. 20:23 pianohacker druthb: Wait, hold on. Now supported by Ellucian? 20:23 druthb Now owned by Ellucian. 20:24 druthb yeah, that's them. 20:24 pianohacker [off] son of a BITCH 20:24 rhcl ? 20:24 druthb http://www.ellucian.com/student-information-system/ 20:24 druthb ? 20:24 pianohacker guess what my university uses, and I am trying to interface with for a scheduling app I inherited? 20:25 jcamins druthb: yes, SIS. That's what I was thinking of. 20:25 druthb I'm told that it's not too outrageous to develop against. I did an interface between Banner and a Symphony box to pass billing along. 20:25 tcohen mveron: i can take a look tomorrow 20:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #452 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #452: SUCCESS in 16 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/452/ 20:25 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update fund restriction with note 20:25 jcamins [off] SAP, SIS, both are better described with a four-letter word starting with 'S'. 20:26 mveron tcohen: Thanks. :-) 20:26 druthb There was an older system called SIS, too, by …. Z-systems, I think. 20:27 druthb they had an FRS and an HRS and some other goodies too 20:27 jcamins A Fellow of the Royal Society was involved?!? 20:28 druthb that was a VMS-based text-terminal system, and you had "screens" you called up with stuff like SIS009 and such. 20:28 cjh_ rhcl: morning, you rang? 20:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #25 for job Koha_Docs_3.14.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.14.x build #25: SUCCESS in 12 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.14.x/25/ 20:28 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update fund restriction with note 20:38 * tcohen hates finding bugs 20:41 * mveron Hates bugs found by customers :-) 20:41 wajasu are facets, the box to the left (Availability, Auhtors, Libraries ...) ? 20:42 wizzyrea can I just say, I really love how consistent people are about putting bug numbers on their commits these days. 20:42 wizzyrea super good work everybody. 20:42 wizzyrea \o/ 20:43 cait wizzyrea: true :) 20:43 cait also test plans 20:43 wizzyrea ^ room for improvement but HEAPS and HEAPS better than it used to be 20:44 wajasu test plans are awesome. at least it gives context for where to go even if minimal. 20:44 cait yeah 20:44 cait my theory is that we don't notice the good change often, we are too close to see 20:44 cait but actually lots of things move :) 20:44 cait in a good direction 20:45 wizzyrea I find, at least once a week, a new feature that delights me. 20:45 wizzyrea Oh you can batch edit items from the detail screen! THat's awesome! or Patron lists! That's awesome! 20:46 cait :) 20:53 tcohen is anyone used to the cover fetching codE? 20:53 tcohen I don't see how are we showing covers based on ISSN 20:54 wizzyrea I don't think we are, I've only observed isbn 20:54 wizzyrea unless you have an example 20:54 tcohen reading the code I find that we don't 20:55 tcohen was asking just in case I missed something 20:55 wizzyrea afaik, (and according to the code) we don't use ISSN - you can do a local cover for those 20:55 wizzyrea periodicals and DVD's are hard to get covers for. 20:57 tcohen thanks liz 20:59 wizzyrea yep yw 21:03 mtompset mveron: Thanks for bumping me into 5th. :( 21:04 mtompset mveron++ # for number of sign offs. 21:04 mveron :-) 21:05 cait mveron++ :) 21:05 mveron Sign off is a good way to learn a lot about koha :-) 21:05 mtompset Yes, particularly with the more detailed ones. 21:06 * mveron ...tok a lot of the easy ones... 21:06 mveron took 21:08 wajasu when the marc record item status is sent to "Lost". does the itemlost in the item table get syncronized? 21:08 wajasu sent/set/ 21:09 mveron Oh, it's late... Good night everybody :-) 21:09 mtompset mveron: Good day (24 hour period) :) 21:09 mtompset DOH! I forgot to ask nengard a question. 21:09 mveron :-) 21:11 wizzyrea she's still here, nlengard? 21:11 wizzyrea (I think?) 21:11 wizzyrea nlegrand, that is not the same thing as nlengard. Wow that's a letter mixup, sorry! 21:12 cait i think legrand is from france 21:12 cait nle... 21:12 wizzyrea that makes a lot more sensel 21:12 wizzyrea sense. 21:12 cait i can tell you more after next week :) 21:12 wizzyrea sensel. Like tinsel, but with sense! 21:14 mtompset Looks like the blou ping system has timed out. :( 21:15 cait ? 21:20 eythian hi 21:22 tcohen @later tell oleonard I need to ask you about the GetMarcISBN code, it should look just like GetMarcISSN but it doesn't 21:22 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 21:23 cait tcohen: if you start looking at the cover code anyway... could you please tell it to use isbn13? 21:23 cait in 3.12 there is code that normalizes to isbn10 21:23 cait which is... kinda backwards 21:23 wizzyrea it is if amazon recognises isbn13 21:23 wizzyrea it isn't if they dont :/ 21:24 rangi thats cos amazon only recognises 10 21:24 cait i think that might not be true any longer 21:24 cait or you would never get covers for new books 21:24 wizzyrea that would be wicked. 21:24 rangi it is for most of their catalogue 21:25 rangi until they go back and backfill, which i cant imagine them doing anytime fast 21:25 tcohen cait: i've been there, but my work didn't have feedback and I left it 21:25 wajasu maybe if none found, try isbn13 21:26 wizzyrea cait - do you have an example 13 that has no 10 in Amazon? 21:26 cait every new book 21:26 tcohen as far as I can tell we should move all that external cover libs into template plugins, and make them adjust the ISBN's to whatever each service needs 21:26 rangi yep 21:27 tcohen and close bug 706 of course :-P 21:27 rangi amazon have their own numbering scheme 21:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=706 minor, P2, ---, henridamien, CLOSED FIXED, newbasket2.pl search results page has no 'previous' link 21:27 tcohen no, not that one 21:27 rangi they dont really care 21:28 cait tcohen: woiuld love that 21:28 cait also have the server get the image 21:28 tcohen bug 906 21:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=906 enhancement, P2, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , ISBN Check 21:28 rangi cait: thats against T&c 21:28 cait wizzyrea: they seemto have lot of isbn10 around... but actually you shouldn't be able to have an isbn10 for every isbn13 21:28 cait rangi: you have to have the client get the picture? 21:29 rangi yes 21:29 cait i really need to add that german service we have now :( 21:29 rangi for amazon at least 21:29 wizzyrea http://www.amazon.com/The-Future-Mind-Scientific-Understand/dp/038553082X/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1394141256&sr=1-3 THis book is brand new, it has both. 21:30 cait wizzyrea: yeah found a few too 21:31 cait I think the problem i ran into was that the german provier doesn't do isbn10 at all 21:31 cait but only isbn13 21:31 cait so just the other way around 21:31 cait so what tcohen said, should be plugins 21:32 rangi when you cache content, (like you do if the server fetches it) you have to read really carefully all the terms of service 21:32 rangi and make sure you comply, cos its now your problem 21:32 rangi if the client fetches, it's their problem 21:32 cait i don#t want to cache really 21:32 rangi you are caching 21:33 rangi if you fetch, then return it to the browser 21:33 rangi you are caching 21:33 rangi thats the point 21:33 cait hm ok, don't fetch for a longer time 21:33 rangi only some API define a time 21:33 cait i think the german provider really allows that 21:33 rangi google you cant keep longer thanthe headers allow 21:33 cait because it started with that kind of discussion 21:33 rangi which is ok, amazon, you cant do it at all 21:34 cait data privacy... 21:34 wahanui i heard data privacy was an important topic for us 21:34 rangi so its not as simple as making them all fetch it has to be a case by case thing,and you want actual lawyers to read the T&C 21:34 cait there was an article in a big newspaper here about a university library catalog using amazon for covers 21:34 rangi yep, im just saying it opens the project up for getting sued 21:35 rangi if people muck it up 21:35 cait maybe the plugin idea is not a bad one 21:35 tcohen you have to do it in-house and take responsibility 21:35 cait yeah 21:35 rangi yep 21:35 cait for example in order for it to be legal for a library here to display covers 21:35 cait not only the service provider terms need to be considered I think 21:36 cait because there is copyright on covers 21:36 cait but there exists some kind of contract negotiated by one of the library associations to cover that 21:36 cait it's all terribly complicated :( 21:37 rangi yes 21:37 rangi not something you can solve by a general thing in koha 21:37 cait yeah... but everyone wants covers 21:38 cait something you can plug in easily maybe 21:43 wajasu does anyone know how the "refine your search" Availabiliy should work? if i have 2 books, both marked as lost, should the biblio inthe results be hidden when one sees "Limit to currently available items" ? 21:44 wajasu i'm in the prog theme 21:45 eythian That's what I'd expect. Whether it does that, I don't know... 21:47 eythian cait: kristina just gave us big blocks of German chocolate :) 21:47 cait cool, wha tkind? :) 21:48 cait and she didn't bring some boring but consistent beer for you? :) 21:48 eythian She had some Ritter Sport, but I brought back ~1kg of that from Berlin, so I took the Milka instead. 21:48 wizzyrea mine is joghurt ritter, which, joghurt is what happens to me when I job 21:48 eythian Alas, no :) 21:48 wizzyrea well that was freudian. 21:49 eythian wizzyrea: it was also joghurt ritter that I gave you when I came back, IIRC :) 21:49 wizzyrea yes it was! 21:49 wizzyrea well there were a couple kinds in there. 21:50 eythian https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=ritter+sport+berlin&client=ubuntu&hs=AW2&channel=fs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=me0YU9jwPIqwkAXAs4DADQ&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAg&biw=1918&bih=1012 <-- that is actually what it looks like inside. It's pretty cool. 21:51 wizzyrea wowie 21:51 wizzyrea honestly must get to germany one day. 21:51 wizzyrea europe generally. 21:51 cait i really like ritter sport 21:52 wajasu all color coded! 21:52 cait the put ads on stairs, it's quite nice sometimes 21:53 cait eythian: actually you were much closer here to th ehome of ritter sport than in berlin :) 21:53 eythian heh, where's it actually from? 21:53 cait eythian: iirc they are close to stuttgart, where we had the workshop 21:53 eythian ah right 21:54 cait i will probably bring some to france 21:54 cait i think you can't get all flavours there a tleast... 21:54 cait quite hard to find something that's not available all over europe 21:55 cait http://www.ritter-sport.de/#/de_DE/waldenbuch 21:55 * magnuse will manage to do that ;-) 21:55 eythian it'll be like raw herring or something. 21:56 rangi i got schoko bang, which is zarbitter mit chili 21:56 magnuse eythian: mohahahaha 21:56 magnuse kia ora irma! 21:57 cait magnuse: hmpf :) 21:57 magnuse oops, still no packing done and we leave for marseille early on saturday 21:57 cait rangi: yummy 21:57 cait I still need to do laundry... 21:58 cait but leaving on Sunday, have a bit more time :) 21:58 magnuse cait: lucky you ;-) 21:58 cait or lucky you :) 21:58 eythian I managed to get mine done on the last fine day that was then followed by 4 days of rain and wind. 21:58 eythian it was quite fortunate. 21:59 cait @wunder Konstanz 21:59 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.7°C (10:55 PM CET on March 06, 2014). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling). 22:00 eythian @wunder nzwn 22:00 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (10:30 AM NZDT on March 07, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 22:00 eythian it's been better here since yesterday or so 22:00 dcook ^ 22:01 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 22:01 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 22.0°C (8:30 AM EST on March 07, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising). 22:02 rangi http://www.zazzle.com/basic_black_evergreen_shirt-235591693917266452 <--- nice 22:02 rangi not the price, i cant afford 33.95 for a tshirt, but the design is nice :) 22:02 dcook I was just thinking that, rangi :p 22:03 cait rangi: the mahara stuff is really nice too 22:03 rangi yeah 22:03 rangi it really is 22:03 cait we should have nice koha stuff! 22:03 magnuse wow, that would be expensive for a tshirt even in norway 22:03 rangi http://www.cafepress.com/mahara/9943875 22:04 rangi http://www.cafepress.com/mf/74770368/koha_mugs?productId=751374936 22:05 rangi http://www.cafepress.com/mf/34235117/koha_mugs?productId=298433291 too 22:05 cait git commited to koha :) 22:05 wizzyrea I have one of those :) 22:05 cait wonder how expensive shipping would be 22:06 wizzyrea it's humongous 22:06 dcook ^ 22:06 wizzyrea the caffienated beverage of my choice in that would make me fly to the moon. 22:06 cait i was afraid it would be 22:06 wizzyrea so I use it for pens. 22:06 wizzyrea :P 22:06 dcook wizzyrea: I have no idea what you just said, but it sounds frightening? 22:06 cait rangi: was thinking of those especially: http://www.cafepress.com/mahara/9960700 22:07 wizzyrea just that if I drank that much coffee I'd have enough power to jitter my way to the moon. 22:07 cait wizzyrea: is 11897 a thing in US? 22:08 dcook wizzyrea: Ahhh. 22:08 * eythian wonders what would make good work music for today. 22:08 bag bag? 22:08 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL 22:08 bag YAY! 22:09 wizzyrea cait: err, I can see the utility of that. 22:09 wizzyrea I never had any libraries that did that 22:09 dcook eythian: That's a good question. 22:09 rhcl bag: ever attend any minor league games? season will be starting soon 22:10 dcook Err, wondering 22:10 cait i haven't had heard of it either, but it seems to be common in UK 22:10 wizzyrea dcook? 22:10 wahanui rumour has it dcook is missing part of that original link due to a smiley face that comes up in dcook's IRC client 22:10 wizzyrea snicker. 22:10 dcook I... 22:10 dcook O_o 22:10 bag rhcl I have attended minor league games 22:11 bag I used to go to the beehive in new britian ct all the time 22:11 rhcl I've attended a couple of these: http://www.milb.com/index.jsp?sid=t440 22:13 rangi eythian: https://soundcloud.com/kowtow-music/03-nature-of-man 22:14 rangi for some wellington sounds 22:15 mtompset http://youtu.be/qtFBRJFN3p8 (Frank Sinatra, wizzyrea) 22:15 wizzyrea yes, just like that :) 22:17 eythian http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=2587 22:22 eythian http://conferencecall.biz/ 22:29 * eythian just google musics "headless chickens", and hits "radio". That'll do for the next hour or two. 22:29 rangi :) 22:29 wizzyrea O.o 22:30 eythian http://youtu.be/GUBosuLLUvQ <-- wizzyrea, start here 22:30 * wizzyrea pauses her dub-trance 22:30 wizzyrea oh that is less metal than I expected. 22:31 pianohacker wizzyrea: ... you listen to dub trance? :D 22:31 wizzyrea ... yes 22:32 pianohacker ... could I trouble you for some links, oh miss who I have an unexpected shared interest with? 22:33 eythian wizzyrea: not metal at all, 90's NZ music. 22:33 tcohen night #koha 22:33 eythian good for a sunny Friday 22:33 wizzyrea I like it :) 22:33 rangi pianohacker: https://soundcloud.com/stinkahbell/stinkahbell-stinkahz-in-paris 22:33 eythian even if there's no BBQ going :) 22:33 wizzyrea there should totally be a bbq going. 22:34 wizzyrea it's the most summery day out there, and it's fracking autumn. 22:34 wizzyrea after about 3 days of winter. 22:34 rangi pianohacker: https://soundcloud.com/a-tribe-called-red/01-a-tribe-called-red-braves (not trance at all) 22:34 wizzyrea https://soundcloud.com/soundremedy/wasting-my-young-years-sound < is what I was listening to before headless chickens. 22:34 rangi but a tribe called red are cool 22:35 wizzyrea that is probably less dub than trance 22:35 rangi https://soundcloud.com/a-tribe-called-red 22:35 wizzyrea rangi really covers the dubstep better than I do 22:35 rangi dubstep you says 22:36 * dcook wonders if he is the hipster of #koha... 22:36 * wizzyrea gears up for the "can rangi find the music" game 22:36 wizzyrea it's one of my favourite games. 22:36 dcook But...I wear new clothes and sensible glasses.. 22:36 * pianohacker is listening to links now 22:36 rangi https://soundcloud.com/dubstep/feel-the-fire-saturn-by-sgt 22:37 rangi the drop is pretty epic, and it takes a long time to get there 22:37 wizzyrea dcook: sometimes the things go together: https://soundcloud.com/soundremedy/daughter-medicine-sound-remedyyy 22:39 dcook wizzyrea++ 22:39 wizzyrea ^ I happen to find that remix *amazing* 22:39 dcook She's super nervous on stage 22:39 dcook Saw them play back in February 22:39 rangi course i dont just listen to dubstep 22:40 rangi i listen to almost any random remix 22:40 wizzyrea actually most of the sound remedy stuff I like quite well. 22:40 rangi https://soundcloud.com/escort-agency/kylie-minogue-slow-sleng-teng <-- for example 22:40 rangi one for dcook, you cant live in australia and not worship kylie 22:41 dcook lol 22:41 dcook I'm not born here though, so I might get an exemption 22:41 dcook I probably need to file some paperwork for it though... 22:41 wizzyrea LIEs. 22:41 rangi hehe 22:41 dcook Friend of mine here in Sydney: https://soundcloud.com/jamesflamestar 22:41 wizzyrea oh that feel the fire one is quite good 22:41 dcook I especially like "Strawberries and Razorblades" from Stargazers 22:41 rangi dcook: https://soundcloud.com/12thfloor/daughter-youth-love-thy <-- maybe more your speed 22:42 * wizzyrea is not super keen on ear bleeding dubstep 22:42 pianohacker any love for chvrches? 22:42 dcook ^ 22:42 rangi not after what happened last time 22:42 wizzyrea I like the stuff that mixes progressive trance and dubstep 22:42 dcook Oh, we drove her away 22:42 eythian Norway's music scene has opinions on chvrches too... 22:43 rangi dcook: i might also ambush people .. warning 22:43 * dcook fetches a link for eythian 22:43 pianohacker eythian: Norway? 22:43 wahanui rumour has it Norway is beautiful 22:43 dcook eythian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZGa40Hl4zI 22:44 pianohacker I really like the london grammar remix, really nice vocal/dubsteppy mix 22:44 rangi pianohacker: and the last link for today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88hU078nUQs 22:44 wizzyrea https://soundcloud.com/soundremedy/wolf-alice-leaving-you-soundremedy 22:45 pianohacker @rangi++ 22:45 rangi you can blame eythian for that one 22:45 huginn pianohacker: downloading the Perl source 22:45 pianohacker good stuff 22:45 pianohacker dammit 22:45 eythian dcook: Norway's major export: black metal. 22:45 pianohacker rangi++ 22:45 eythian err ^-- pianohacker rather 22:45 wizzyrea because they have darkness in their souls because long dark winters. 22:45 wizzyrea or something. 22:45 wahanui hmmm... something is sketchy 22:45 wizzyrea it's me, I admit. 22:45 pianohacker oh that wasn't a typo, the band CHVRCHES 22:45 pianohacker derp 22:46 dcook pianohacker: I've only listened to a few songs, but I've liked 'em 22:46 pianohacker sweet :) 22:46 * wizzyrea has not listened but will 22:46 wizzyrea ah music day in #koha, I have missed it. 22:46 dcook rangi, wizzyrea: digging both daughter remixxes 22:46 dcook hehe 22:46 rangi id totally go to a babymetal concert 22:47 wizzyrea hehehe 22:47 rangi looks hella fun 22:47 dcook I still have yet to read that article.. 22:48 rangi eythian: imagine them opening kiwicon :) 22:48 eythian heh 22:48 wizzyrea l. o. l. 22:48 pianohacker oh damn this feel the fire mix is goooood 22:48 eythian rangi: I accidentally had two of those links playing at the same time about 0.2 seconds out, it sounds a lot better like that. 22:48 rangi kiwicon last year was opened with a metal band 22:48 rangi best opening keynote ever 22:48 wizzyrea ^.^ 22:49 dcook another Norwegian export apparently: http://grooveshark.com/s/The+Fairy+Tale/2CI41o?src=5 22:49 dcook Wha? 22:49 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moTXALu7BrI <--shaky camera angle, but you get the idea 22:51 dcook I really need to cross the ditch sometime 22:52 dcook You folks are neat 22:52 wizzyrea pianohacker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xptIEkCHTZ4 22:53 pianohacker wizzyrea++ 22:53 eythian dcook: that video was pretty great 22:53 dcook Oh wow there's more after the song 22:54 pianohacker ahh I'd forgotten how good this medicine remix was, the original is way too downtempo 23:16 pianohacker wtf is going on with babymetal 23:16 rangi heh 23:16 dcook I love/hate that moment when you finally figure out the reason your program isn't working the way you think it should be working... 23:16 dcook ...is because you forget to mod the index again after your initial test. 23:17 dcook Err, indexing config rather.. 23:17 * dcook glares at the commented out 035 in records.abs 23:17 dcook record.abs* 23:17 dcook pianohacker: So what is the deal there? I haven't brought myself to reading about it yet 23:17 dcook Partially, I'm not sure if I actually do want to know... 23:17 pianohacker ... have you watched the video? 23:17 dcook Nopes 23:18 pianohacker dcook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88hU078nUQs 23:18 dcook I'm a little bit terrified 23:18 * dcook takes a deep breath and clicks 23:18 wizzyrea it's not as terrible as it seems like it should be 23:18 dcook wth... 23:19 dcook wizzyrea: So true 23:19 dcook 30 seconds in and I thought it would be much worse 23:19 pianohacker there's that moment just a bit in where it goes from "*yawn* j-pop..." to "METAL DANCING KAWAII OF DOOM" 23:20 wizzyrea @quote add Pianohacker: there's that moment just a bit in where it goes from "*yawn* j-pop..." to "METAL DANCING KAWAII OF DOOM" 23:20 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 23:20 wizzyrea curses. 23:21 wizzyrea @quote add Pianohacker: there's that moment just a bit in where it goes from "*yawn* j-pop..." to "METAL DANCING KAWAII OF DOOM" 23:21 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #300 added. 23:21 wizzyrea there we go. 23:21 wizzyrea @quote random 23:21 pianohacker wizzyrea: that hybrid video is interesting, I'm not sure what to think of that 23:21 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the open, nothing is hidden so you can see what is going on at any time. [...] Koha grows through its strong and vibrant community, and the best users are the ones who invest the time in asking questions." (added by wizzyrea at 08:00 PM, April 14, 2011) 23:21 wizzyrea @quote random 23:21 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #192: "sekjal: running on master is a great way to catch bugs... but then you have bugs." (added by wizzyrea at 04:02 PM, March 09, 2012) 23:21 rangi what a bunch of hippy drivel 23:21 rangi who wrote that 23:21 wizzyrea that guy, he's super idealistic. 23:21 pianohacker some silly sappy dude 23:21 wizzyrea it's awesome 23:22 wizzyrea @quote random 23:22 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #168: "gmcharlt: #koha is ALL the time" (added by chris_n at 09:01 PM, December 01, 2011) 23:22 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 23:22 pianohacker sort of dude who would welcome a shy 17-year-old into a coding community :) 23:23 dcook pianohacker: That's perhaps one of the worst videos I've seen in quite some time 23:23 wizzyrea get the popcorn 23:23 wahanui Get it yourself, wizzyrea. 23:23 wizzyrea <3 wahanui 23:24 dcook My brain actually hurts now 23:24 pianohacker dcook: Did you watch it all the way through? 23:24 pianohacker dcook++ # for bravery 23:24 dcook Unfortunately yes 23:24 dcook It's genius though. 23:24 dcook I bet they'll make a mint. 23:25 * dcook goes back to his meandering post-rock for a bit. 23:25 dcook Well, maybe not meandering... 23:25 dcook mellow 23:26 pianohacker Here, something a bit more trancey: https://soundcloud.com/blighters-1/oceanlab-feat-justine-suissa 23:26 pianohacker prog house allegedly but whatever 23:26 dcook Current track: http://grooveshark.com/s/Blues+Hour/6HYABZ?src=5 23:26 dcook Finally coming around to Rave Tapes 23:28 wizzyrea pianohacker: if you are not sensitive to strobe lighting, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8QcwjdrTM8&feature=kp 23:28 pianohacker ah what a sell 23:28 wizzyrea well you don't have to watch I reckon 23:29 pianohacker wizzyrea: wait, is this the same orbital of halcyon (and on and on) fame? 23:29 wizzyrea yep 23:29 wizzyrea :) 23:29 pianohacker cool! Thanks 23:29 wizzyrea the not-live version is probably on grooveshark somewhere 23:30 pianohacker omfg my keycaps are here brbbbbbbbbb 23:30 wizzyrea orbital took several years off, then came back with a really amazing album 23:32 dcook (Oh ElasticSearch...I yearn for you) 23:38 mtj @wunder sydney, australia 23:38 huginn mtj: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 24.0°C (10:00 AM EST on March 07, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 23:40 dcook Hmm, getting warmer 23:40 dcook Apparently my support emails are going to my junk mail as well. Nice one, Outlook. 23:40 dcook I was wondering why it was quiet.. 23:41 rangi you use outlook? 23:41 rangi poor you 23:42 dcook Yeah, our work machines are all Windows :/ 23:42 mtj some good friday scrollback peeps :p 23:42 dcook I suppose I could use Thunderbird although not sure what options there are for shared calendars.. 23:43 * wizzyrea has an easy way to fix that 23:44 wizzyrea start -> run -> cmd -> format c: -> insert linux cd -> reboot 23:44 wizzyrea </snark> 23:44 wizzyrea :) 23:44 trea and yet still true 23:48 dcook hehe 23:49 dcook I have a debian image and a blank dvd right there... 23:49 * wizzyrea whispers "do... it...." 23:49 dcook lol 23:49 dcook It's not my computer so I can't really make that decision :p 23:50 dcook You know Microsoft sucks when you have to Google how to do everything.. 23:51 wizzyrea well technically that's one of the signs that you're a good engineer, that you know which book to look in when you don't know :P 23:51 wizzyrea but you're right! microsoft sucks! 23:51 dcook true true 23:51 dcook engineer/doctor/lawyer/etc 23:54 dcook I was using MS Access 2010 or 2013 yesterday and it's help menu actually said something along the lines of "Don't use this option or you won't be able to do X" 23:54 dcook As in you couldn't access certain functionality by short-cuts, menus, etc. 23:54 dcook :S 23:54 dcook Also, Access...*shudder* 23:57 pianohacker The right hand has keycaps! https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1898192_10152298256073698_1058212689_n.jpg 23:57 wizzyrea pianohacker: you and cjh should talk about this project. 23:58 pianohacker ooh, he a keyboard nerd too? (and is he coming to hackfest?) 23:58 wizzyrea ping cjh_ ^ see that link 23:58 wizzyrea apropos of your keyboard ... thing 23:59 dcook pianohacker: What is the project? I see bits and pieces here and there 23:59 pianohacker dcook: This is the right hand of a keyboard kit I've been slowly soldering and assembling