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pianohacker |
Jesus christ. I could throw whoever designed the 006/008 fields off a very high bridge and watch them go *splat* with glee |
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dcook |
pianohacker: I think she's dead |
| 01:09 |
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dcook |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henriette_Avram |
| 01:10 |
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dcook |
But I feel your pain :) |
| 01:10 |
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pianohacker |
... why does the designer of MARC have to be a lovely old lady |
| 01:11 |
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dcook |
I think it's a paradox |
| 01:15 |
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rangi |
@wunder nzwn |
| 01:15 |
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huginn` |
rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (2:00 PM NZDT on March 05, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 01:15 |
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rangi |
light rain |
| 01:15 |
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rangi |
hehe |
| 01:16 |
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eythian |
well, it can't fall because the wind is keeping it up. |
| 01:19 |
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wizzyrea |
oh they are funny |
| 01:22 |
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rangi |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4PrJYD8RTo |
| 01:22 |
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rangi |
speaking of funny |
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wajasu |
not funny. |
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mayank |
I am importing records in koha from excel file. I have converted data into marc format. While importing records in koha if I select "Check for embeded item recod data" as Yes then it create mulitple items for book and save bar code. If I select it to No then no bar code is imported for the book. I only have one line per iteam. What should I do to have one iteam and bar code assigned to book? Sample data is available at http://ampletrails.com/koha_dat |
| 02:08 |
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rangi |
15:32 < eythian> mayank: you're probably making a new 952 for each item entry, and each 952 will become its own item. |
| 02:08 |
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rangi |
15:32 < eythian> You need to make it so that all the fields for the item go into the same 952. |
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mayank |
rangi: How can I make it that all the fields for the item go into the same 952. Is the link file need any change ? |
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rangi |
that link doesnt work for me |
| 03:23 |
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eythian |
mayank: the link is broken. Also, we don't know what tools you're using to create the marc, but there is probably an option in that tool. |
| 03:49 |
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mayank |
eythian: link is working for me. I am using Marcedit21 |
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mtj |
hi #koha |
| 03:57 |
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mtj |
mayank, link doesnt work for me… |
| 03:57 |
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mtj |
ahh oops… gone already :( |
| 03:58 |
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bag |
heya mtj |
| 03:58 |
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mtj |
yo yo, big B |
| 05:45 |
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dcook |
Why yes...a thunder storm just as I'm finishing work does seem like a good idea... |
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cait |
good morning #koha |
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chandoi |
loz |
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mayank |
eythian: link is working for me. I am using Marcedit21 |
| 07:03 |
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paxed |
can i have the MARC show in a single list, NOT tabbed, in staff client MARC details and marc edit? |
| 07:09 |
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mtj |
mayank, link only works for you - no one else… -> http://ampletrails.com/koha_dat |
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mtj |
hi paxed, yes… just make all MARC fields have the same tab number, for a fwrk |
| 07:11 |
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paxed |
ah |
| 07:13 |
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mtj |
> update marc_subfield_structure set tab = 0 where frameworkcode = 'XXX'; |
| 07:13 |
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mtj |
...now everything for XXX fwrk, will show in single list, on tab 0 |
| 07:14 |
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mtj |
hth :) |
| 07:15 |
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cait |
hm you shouldn't update 952 |
| 07:16 |
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mtj |
ah, yeah - good point cait :) |
| 07:17 |
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mtj |
> update marc_subfield_structure set tab = 0 where frameworkcode = 'XXX' and tab <> 9; |
| 07:17 |
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paxed |
mtj: right, that works. thanks. |
| 07:19 |
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paxed |
tab <> 9? do you mean tab<>10? |
| 07:21 |
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mtj |
oops, i mean tab 10 :p |
| 07:21 |
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mtj |
sorry, was pretty close |
| 07:21 |
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* magnuse |
waves |
| 07:21 |
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mtj |
whew, thanks $god for those backups... |
| 07:21 |
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magnuse |
kia ora mtj! |
| 07:22 |
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mtj |
kia ora magnuse :) |
| 07:22 |
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mtj |
paxed ^^ |
| 07:23 |
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mtj |
paxed, i am glad one of us is paying attention |
| 07:34 |
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paxed |
is there any disadvantage in converting unicode chars to entities in biblioitems.marcxml? |
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reiveune |
hello |
| 07:41 |
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mtj |
paxed, maybe lots of double-encoding problems? |
| 07:42 |
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mtj |
i think its a no-no |
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paxed |
hm. i guess mysql character_set_database should be utf8 instead of latin1 ... |
| 07:55 |
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magnuse |
yup, the more utf8 the better |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
| 07:56 |
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magnuse |
paxed: you might want to look at the collations for your tables though, it might affect sorting (it's something i have been meaning to look into for a looong time) |
| 07:56 |
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magnuse |
bonjour alex_a |
| 07:56 |
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paxed |
magnuse: shouldn't zebra handle that? |
| 08:02 |
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alex_a |
bonjour magnuse |
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Joubu1 |
hi |
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magnuse |
paxed: for bibliographic records, yes. but not for everything else that is stored in and sorted by the db. like patrons |
| 08:20 |
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magnuse |
hiya Joubu |
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cait |
good morning #koha |
| 08:24 |
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magnuse |
hiya cait |
| 08:26 |
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cait |
hiya magnuse |
| 08:50 |
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matts |
hi #koha ! |
| 08:53 |
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cait |
hi matts :) |
| 09:00 |
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ashimema |
hi all |
| 09:01 |
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cait |
hi ashimema :) |
| 09:01 |
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ashimema |
matts, appologies, I've been pants on getting that regular borrower imports patch up anywhere public... not had a moment to touch it again yet. |
| 09:02 |
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matts |
okay, no problem :) |
| 09:04 |
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ashimema |
:) |
| 09:25 |
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nlegrand |
hey #koha |
| 09:26 |
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cait |
developers_talking++ |
| 09:26 |
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cait |
hi nlegrand |
| 09:29 |
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pianohacker |
Woo midnight oil |
| 09:31 |
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ashimema |
hello pianohacker |
| 09:31 |
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wahanui |
hello pianohacker are you there? |
| 09:32 |
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nlegrand |
I try to make my zebra full reindex (rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -r -x -w) outside my koha server (too long, too ressource greedy) and then rsync the zebradb on the koha server. It fails :). Is there a way to do this kind of things or should I always rebuild on the koha server? |
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mtj |
nlegrand, ots probably more trouble that it is worth you :/ |
| 09:59 |
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mtj |
its |
| 10:00 |
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mtj |
try using ionice/nice to make the process less greedy |
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cait |
hi drojf :) |
| 10:11 |
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cait |
hi khall :) |
| 10:11 |
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khall |
mornin cait! |
| 10:12 |
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drojf |
hi cait |
| 10:12 |
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drojf |
hi #koha |
| 10:16 |
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nlegrand |
mtj: I was afraid of something like that :). Thanks. |
| 10:16 |
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nlegrand |
Let's plan a shortage ^^ |
| 10:26 |
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ashimema |
anyone been getting: Can't call method "data" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 1716. |
| 10:26 |
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ashimema |
in the packages recently.. |
| 10:35 |
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magnuse |
ashimema: not recently. which version? |
| 10:39 |
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* pianohacker |
is out of midnight oil, bye all |
| 10:43 |
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cait |
ashimema: i hate that one, can never figure out why it happens |
| 10:51 |
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ashimema |
latest.. |
| 10:51 |
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wahanui |
it has been said that latest is 3.6.4 |
| 10:52 |
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ashimema |
jut ran an apt upgrade so 3.14.04 |
| 10:52 |
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ashimema |
just run the rebuild with verbose.. seems rebuild is unable to parse records :( |
| 10:52 |
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ashimema |
wondering whats changed |
| 11:04 |
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cait |
hm |
| 11:04 |
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cait |
sometimes the problem seems to be related to framework set |
| 11:04 |
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cait |
up |
| 11:04 |
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cait |
koha2marc-linkings |
| 11:04 |
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cait |
missing biblionumbers... |
| 11:05 |
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ashimema |
cheers cait |
| 11:05 |
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cait |
and there is a script that can help find broken records - soemthing with slice in it |
| 11:07 |
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ashimema |
it's every record.. |
| 11:07 |
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ashimema |
that's part of the problem.. |
| 11:07 |
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ashimema |
and search was working fine only last week. |
| 11:08 |
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ashimema |
just trackng donw what hcnages our team have made since then. |
| 11:10 |
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ashimema |
sadly.. the mapping all looks in order to me :( |
| 11:10 |
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cait |
hm and zebra doesn't tell you more? |
| 11:10 |
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cait |
there is a double -v option |
| 11:10 |
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cait |
for even more output |
| 11:11 |
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cait |
-v -v i think |
| 11:20 |
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ashimema |
double v give's me no further detail |
| 11:20 |
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ashimema |
nor tripple ;) |
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magnuse |
ashimema: http://demo.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/[…]anch_group_limit= is 3.14.4 from the packages - search seems to be ok there |
| 11:37 |
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* magnuse |
is scheduled to upgrade customers to 3.14.4 today |
| 12:02 |
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cait |
ashimema: hmmmm i thoguth there was an option for even more verbose |
| 12:02 |
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cait |
did you check the help page? |
| 12:02 |
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ashimema |
I think it may be data related at our end.. |
| 12:03 |
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ashimema |
well.. data/config |
| 12:03 |
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ashimema |
still investigating |
| 12:04 |
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cait |
good luck! |
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tcohen |
morning! |
| 12:47 |
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wahanui |
morning is a state of cat |
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cait |
hola tcohen :) |
| 13:10 |
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tcohen |
hi cait |
| 13:11 |
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oleonard |
Hi everyone |
| 13:11 |
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cait |
hi oleonard :) |
| 13:23 |
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magnuse |
ooh, meeting in 4 hours 36 minutes |
| 13:23 |
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cait |
thx for the reminder |
| 13:23 |
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cait |
:) |
| 13:24 |
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magnuse |
who sends a reminder to the lists? |
| 13:25 |
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* magnuse |
does not volunteer |
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oleonard |
I'll do it |
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magnuse |
oleonard++ |
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oleonard |
I added an item to the agenda about procedures for LESS compiling and other client-side asset handling. I hope that's agreeable. |
| 14:00 |
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cait |
:) |
| 14:00 |
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cait |
which time is right now? |
| 14:01 |
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oleonard |
? |
| 14:03 |
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cait |
colin said the link and text don't match on the list |
| 14:03 |
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cait |
now i am confused :) |
| 14:03 |
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oleonard |
Ugh, did I get the time wrong? I thought I pasted it right from the wiki entry |
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oleonard |
http://www.timeanddate.com/wor[…]g&iso=20140305T19 |
| 14:07 |
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oleonard |
Does that look right now? |
| 14:09 |
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* magnuse |
fixed the wiki |
| 14:10 |
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magnuse |
so the meeting is in hours? |
| 14:10 |
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oleonard |
Yes :) |
| 14:10 |
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magnuse |
so the meeting is in *5* hours? |
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magnuse |
lol |
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* magnuse |
is too tired |
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cait |
20:00? |
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cait |
oleonard: i am easy to confuse with timezones... |
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rhcl |
@wunder 64507 |
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rhcl |
huggin? |
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wahanui |
huggin is probably a bot |
| 14:21 |
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rhcl |
dead bot apparently |
| 14:21 |
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* oleonard |
shakes huggin and shouts "Don't you die on me! You never gave up on anything in your life!!" |
| 14:22 |
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rhcl |
pour coffed down its throat and shock it with 21 AAA batteries |
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rhcl |
coffee |
| 14:23 |
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rhcl |
maybe I need just a little jolt |
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rhcl |
@later tell gmcharlt kickstart huggin? |
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rhcl |
ovbiously that wont work either |
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Dyrcona |
rhcl: I did a later for gmcharlt in #evergreen on your behalf. :) |
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rhcl |
cool, tnx |
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* cait |
waves at Dyrcona |
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* Dyrcona |
waves. |
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cait |
Joubu++ :) |
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cait |
ashimema++ as well :) |
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gmcharlt |
@quote random |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: Quote #257: "<pianohacker> That code has enough smells to start a perfume shop" (added by wizzyrea at 10:13 PM, June 12, 2013) |
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Dyrcona |
I like that quote! |
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cait |
heh |
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cait |
@quote random |
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huginn |
cait: Quote #285: "<cait> maybe we should keep #koha for the cookies, and split off a dev chat :)" (added by gmcharlt at 09:26 PM, December 16, 2013) |
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cait |
maybe I shoudl add that to today's agenda? :) |
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druthb |
@quote random |
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huginn |
druthb: Quote #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt" (added by jdavidb at 09:21 PM, August 22, 2009) |
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cait |
@quote random |
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huginn |
cait: Quote #226: "<wizzyrea> like someone would do quote add someone: something funny" (added by gmcharlt at 09:57 PM, December 27, 2012) |
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cait |
@quote random |
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huginn |
cait: Quote #85: "owen: Nothing says embracing my geekness like participating in an IRC meeting about software licenses!" (added by kf at 12:23 PM, July 14, 2010) |
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Oak |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
Oak: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.3°C (4:45 PM CET on March 05, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
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Oak |
@wunder islamabad |
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huginn |
Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 15.0°C (8:00 PM PKT on March 05, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: (Rising). |
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Oak |
Hi cait, druthb, everyone! |
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Oak |
magnuse |
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cait |
hi Oak :) |
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Oak |
:) |
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smi |
logout |
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Oak |
okay |
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rhcl |
@wunder 64507 |
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huginn |
rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 0.3°C (10:03 AM CST on March 05, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising). |
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rhcl |
he's back. tnx gmcharlt |
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druthb |
@wunder 77098 |
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huginn |
druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 7.8°C (10:42 AM CST on March 05, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). |
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rhcl |
humm, isn't that cool for Houston? |
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tcohen |
@wunder cordoba, argentina |
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huginn |
tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 30.1°C (1:40 PM ART on March 05, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
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druthb |
it is chilly in Houston, for march. We had another round of icing yesterday. |
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druthb |
Supposed to get up to 20 or so by Friday. We shall see. |
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reiveune |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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Oak |
hello mtompset |
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mtompset |
Greetings, Oak. |
| 17:23 |
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mtompset |
Are you going to be around for the meeting? |
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Oak |
mtompset, well, i can try. but, it'll be at 12:00am my time. and i have to get up really early. |
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mtompset |
Ah, okay. |
| 17:48 |
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mtompset |
Well, there's always the log files, right? :) |
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Oak |
yeah, but live is live. |
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mtompset |
The game is only on once. :) |
| 18:03 |
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wajasu |
mtompset: i was looking into signing off bug 11489. i was trying some more extensive test scenarios along th lines of cait's comment #19. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11489 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , OPAC search results in 404 error when the only search result is supressed |
| 18:04 |
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mtompset |
Okay, and? |
| 18:04 |
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wajasu |
i did a simple patch to get hidelostitems total count to work, but it seems more invloved. |
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mtompset |
Well, the problem is you can't get it to work fully, because the full result set is never passed back, so you don't know how many are actually hidden. And it could change from page to page/result set to result set. |
| 18:06 |
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mtompset |
This is why facets returned from Zebra (or whatever search engine) are the best way to fix this sort of problem. |
| 18:07 |
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mtompset |
If the query to get the results actually excluded the lost items in the first place, then it would be easily done. |
| 18:08 |
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wajasu |
thats what i thought. |
| 18:09 |
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wajasu |
it looks like there is some attempt. commented out code pertaining to hidelostitems. must not work. |
| 18:10 |
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mtompset |
It's been a while since I looked at that code. |
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Oak |
yeah |
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wajasu |
i added code in the for loop, but the join is against biblioitems. i think we need to get the item lost and count accordingly, and subtract from the total. i did a simple fix, but I think the results only get the first item, and when you subsequent are lost, .. |
| 18:14 |
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mtompset |
wajasu: If I recall, there is another problem... |
| 18:14 |
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wajasu |
so we need to grab all the items to look ate the lost flag. |
| 18:14 |
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mtompset |
The [0] is hardcoded. |
| 18:14 |
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mtompset |
And I think that plays into this. |
| 18:15 |
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Oak |
wajasu++ |
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Oak |
mtompset++ |
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* Oak |
sleepy. see you later #koha. |
| 18:17 |
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wajasu |
do you recall whan [0] is? is it the 1st item? |
| 18:17 |
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wajasu |
whan/what |
| 18:17 |
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mtompset |
Yes... there is an array reference to the first item [0]... |
| 18:17 |
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mtompset |
it should have a tiny loop to look for the first non-hidden/lost item. |
| 18:17 |
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mtompset |
and not hardcode 0. |
| 18:18 |
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mtompset |
let's see if I can find and remember this mess. |
| 18:18 |
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wajasu |
i agree. |
| 18:18 |
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mtompset |
bug 8168 is easier to sign off. ;) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8168 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , ersatz CSV header in attachment of overdue notices sent to administrator |
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wajasu |
i can look at 8168 |
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magnuse |
meeting in ~30 minutes, right? |
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ColinC |
yes |
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* cait |
is ready :) |
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mtompset |
Greetings, magnuse cait. :) |
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mtompset |
Greetings, ColinC. :) |
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magnuse |
hiya mtompset and ColinC |
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cait |
and hi ColinC, magnuse and mtompset |
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ColinC |
hi all |
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cait |
hm could be quick tonight |
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* cait |
waves at peggy :) |
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peggy |
Hi Cait! |
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mveron |
Hi #koha |
| 18:52 |
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cait |
hi mveron :) |
| 18:52 |
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mveron |
hi cait :-) |
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mveron |
@wunder allschwil |
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huginn |
mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 7.3°C (7:53 PM CET on March 05, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
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peggy |
light snow in the air here - kind of pretty |
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* cait |
wonders if there is enough time left for making tea |
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cait |
hm gonna try, brb |
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mtompset |
Run cait run! :) |
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magnuse |
wb oleonard-away |
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cait |
back |
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* magnuse |
suspects cait of instant tea and hot water from the tap |
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cait |
nope |
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cait |
it's tea bags, but i boiled the water :) |
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gmcharlt |
:0 |
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magnuse |
poor water |
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magnuse |
or should that be "pour water"? |
| 19:02 |
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mveron |
Tea bags were a misunderstanding, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_bag |
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mveron |
The loose tea was intended to be removed from the sample bags by customers, but they found it easier to brew the tea with the tea still enclosed in the porous bags. |
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mveron |
:-) |
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rhcl |
is the meeting over? |
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jcamins |
mveron: interesting! |
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wahanui |
interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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oleonard |
The meeting should be starting now? |
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mtompset |
rhcl: That would be pretty fast if it was. |
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mtompset |
It should be, as far as I know. |
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rhcl |
@wunder time |
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huginn |
rhcl: Error: No such location could be found. |
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mtompset |
@wunder Dublin |
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gmcharlt |
give me a moemnt to get organized, and I'm happy to run it |
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huginn |
mtompset: Error: No such location could be found. |
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mtompset |
@wunder Dublin, ireland |
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huginn |
mtompset: The current temperature in Swords West, Swords, Ireland is 9.4°C (7:04 PM GMT on March 05, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
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gmcharlt |
#startmeeting Koha General Meeting, 5 March 2014 |
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huginn |
Meeting started Wed Mar 5 19:05:02 2014 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Koha General Meeting, 5 March 2014) |
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huginn |
The meeting name has been set to 'koha_general_meeting__5_march_2014' |
| 19:05 |
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mtompset |
wajasu++ #thanks for the sign off. |
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gmcharlt |
#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting_5_March_2014 Agenda |
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gmcharlt |
#topic Introductions |
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Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Koha General Meeting, 5 March 2014) |
| 19:05 |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
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mtompset |
#info Mark Tompsett |
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cait |
#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
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oleonard |
#info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
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magnuse |
#info Magnus Enger, Oslo Public Library, Norway |
| 19:05 |
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gmcharlt |
#info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, 3.16RM, Equinox, USA |
| 19:05 |
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jwagner |
#info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
| 19:05 |
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peggy |
#info Peggy Thrasher, NH, USA |
| 19:05 |
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jsasse |
#info Joel Sasse, MN USA |
| 19:06 |
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ColinC |
#info Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe |
| 19:06 |
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mveron |
#info Marc Véron, marc veron ag (www.veron.ch), Allschwil, Switzerland, member of Koha Support Schweiz |
| 19:06 |
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jcamins |
#info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services |
| 19:06 |
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rhcl |
#info rhcl = Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library, St. Joseph, MO, USA -ro |
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clintD |
#info clint deckard, Anact,NZ |
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drojf |
#info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin |
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gmcharlt |
ok |
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gmcharlt |
#topic Maintenance release updates |
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Topic for #koha is now Maintenance release updates (Meeting topic: Koha General Meeting, 5 March 2014) |
| 19:09 |
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gmcharlt |
RMaints for 3.8, 3.10, 3.12, and 3.14, please give any updates you have now |
| 19:10 |
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cait |
I guess bad timing - none of them seems around? |
| 19:11 |
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gmcharlt |
ok, we'll just assume that they're all hunky-dory |
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gmcharlt |
#info No particular updates from the RMaints - no news is good news |
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gmcharlt |
#info 3.14.4 released on February 26 |
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gmcharlt |
#info 3.12.11 released on February 25 |
| 19:12 |
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gmcharlt |
#topic Update on 3.16 |
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Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.16 (Meeting topic: Koha General Meeting, 5 March 2014) |
| 19:12 |
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gmcharlt |
#info RM will be clearing the passed QA queue (via pushing or throwing patches back) prior to the Marseille hackfest |
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gmcharlt |
#info QA team is currently working on patch signoff and patch rescue during this period |
| 19:13 |
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mtompset |
When is the hackfest again? |
| 19:13 |
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magnuse |
mtompset: next week! |
| 19:13 |
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wahanui |
rumour has it next week is project week |
| 19:13 |
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gmcharlt |
#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]February_25,_2014 notes and minutes from the 25 February IRC dev meeting |
| 19:13 |
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magnuse |
gmcharlt: are there dates for feature freeze et al yet? |
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gmcharlt |
#info gmcharlt will set firm dates for feature freeze immediate after hackfest |
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gmcharlt |
#info The Marseille Hackfest runs from 10-14 March |
| 19:15 |
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cait |
gmcharlt++ |
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magnuse |
gmcharlt++ |
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gmcharlt |
any other questions? |
| 19:16 |
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gmcharlt |
#topic KohaCon 2014 |
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Topic for #koha is now KohaCon 2014 (Meeting topic: Koha General Meeting, 5 March 2014) |
| 19:17 |
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gmcharlt |
looks like neither tcohen or bgkriegel are here, so this may be brief |
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gmcharlt |
... and so it is |
| 19:17 |
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gmcharlt |
#topic KohaCon 2015 |
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Topic for #koha is now KohaCon 2015 (Meeting topic: Koha General Meeting, 5 March 2014) |
| 19:18 |
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gmcharlt |
#info question was posed as to whether it is time to start site-selection for the 2015 conference |
| 19:18 |
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gmcharlt |
seems reasonable to me |
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* cait |
agrees |
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gmcharlt |
are there any volunteers here who want to go ahead and get that started? |
| 19:19 |
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gmcharlt |
@monologue |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: Your current monologue is at least 2 lines long. |
| 19:20 |
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oleonard |
Looks like the first call for 2014 proposals was June 2013? |
| 19:20 |
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gmcharlt |
in that case, doesn't hurt to defer for a bit longer |
| 19:20 |
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cait |
oleonard: maybe the next host wants to have it a bit earlier in the year - I think starting now would not hurt |
| 19:21 |
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gmcharlt |
yeah, to split the difference, a bit earlier than June for CFP would be good, but don't necessarily need to do it instantly |
| 19:21 |
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oleonard |
Whoops, cait just volunteered! ;) |
| 19:21 |
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cait |
ah sorry no |
| 19:22 |
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cait |
i have my hands pretty full already |
| 19:22 |
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gmcharlt |
:) |
| 19:22 |
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gmcharlt |
how about just an action item to put this on the agenda for the April meeting? |
| 19:22 |
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jsasse |
+1 |
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cait |
+1 |
| 19:22 |
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mveron |
+1 |
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magnuse |
+1 |
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ColinC |
+1 |
| 19:23 |
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gmcharlt |
#action Galen will put getting the site-selection process starting for KohaCon 2015 on the April general meeting agenda |
| 19:23 |
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gmcharlt |
#topic Compiling LESS files more |
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Topic for #koha is now Compiling LESS files more (Meeting topic: Koha General Meeting, 5 March 2014) |
| 19:23 |
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gmcharlt |
(sorry, I could. not. resist.) |
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magnuse |
lol |
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gmcharlt |
#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]p_OPAC_LESS_files info on compiling LESS files |
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cait |
:) |
| 19:24 |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: here's my current thinking - |
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gmcharlt |
it would be easy enough to make a build target to recompile the less |
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gmcharlt |
which would mean it would be done during installation and updates |
| 19:25 |
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gmcharlt |
however... I have a question I'd like your opinion on |
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gmcharlt |
what would be your recommendation for somebody who wants to incoporate this into their OPAC customization tweaks |
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gmcharlt |
override bits of CSS is one thing |
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thd |
#info Thomas Dukleth, Agggme, New York City |
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gmcharlt |
but let's say somebody wants to do something like tweak the height of the navbar to accommodate a taller logo? |
| 19:26 |
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gmcharlt |
how would you recommend they go about that? |
| 19:26 |
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gmcharlt |
and is there call, you think, for compiling LESS files to potentially become part of the standard toolkit for tweaks? |
| 19:27 |
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cait |
hm it feels like the LESS would make more sense if you are using a css file opposed to the opacusercss? |
| 19:27 |
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oleonard |
There's no reason why folks can't customize using plain CSS, even while incorporated more complex tools like media queries. I don't think LESS needs to enter into the equation |
| 19:28 |
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wajasu |
what if tweakable bits are in sysprefs, and upon save, less is run to compile a new customized css file? |
| 19:28 |
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oleonard |
But I could foresee a system which took custom CSS from system preferences and automatically minified it and concatenated it with Koha's built-in CSS |
| 19:28 |
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jcamins |
If I were to customize dramatically based on the Bootstrap theme, I would use LESS. |
| 19:29 |
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oleonard |
I doubt most would do that much |
| 19:29 |
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jcamins |
But my feeling is anyone doing that level of customization is going to be figuring it out themselves, so I see no need to make special allowances for it. |
| 19:29 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: it would have to be pretty dramatic. |
| 19:30 |
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gmcharlt |
well, not necessarily /that/ dramatic -- changing the height of the navbar is, AFAICT, best done via LESS |
| 19:30 |
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gmcharlt |
though I'm open to suggestions that I'm wrong on that point |
| 19:31 |
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oleonard |
Along with LESS compiling, the other thing I have in mind is incorporating tasks using something like Grunt: http://gruntjs.com/ |
| 19:31 |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: that's true, but that seems kind of dramatic to me. |
| 19:32 |
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gmcharlt |
meh, not every library's logo fits well into a constraint that it be < 40 px tall |
| 19:32 |
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gmcharlt |
of course, there are other options for placing it |
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peggy |
It wouldn't see dramatic to a non-technical librarian |
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peggy |
seem |
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jcamins |
The reason I find that dramatic is that just changing the height of the navbar doesn't really seem to me to be enough... though maybe it's just a mouse and cookie problem. |
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magnuse |
peggy: very true! |
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wahanui |
I know. That's why I said it. |
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gmcharlt |
one second, I'm writing something up for BZ on this |
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jcamins |
(i.e. I might start out changing the height of the navbar, but by the time I'm done, I can reasonably expect to have changed a skajillion other things too; otherwise I could just override the places where the variable is used) |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: right, but AIUI, that's the point of recompiling -- for certain things, you just set a Bootstrap variable, and it recalculates everything for you during the compilation |
| 19:38 |
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gmcharlt |
i.e., that certain types of changes would be basically one-liners in the LESS, but become larger in the generated CSS |
| 19:38 |
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magnuse |
aiui? |
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wahanui |
aiui is As I Understand It |
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cait |
wahanui++ |
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mveron |
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/AIUI |
| 19:39 |
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oleonard |
Note that while that may be true for stock Bootstrap CSS it's not true for the bootstrap theme's LESS. We would need to make improvements. |
| 19:40 |
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bag |
#info Brendan Gallagher bywater |
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oleonard |
The bootstrap theme's LESS file only begins to implement all the features possible with LESS |
| 19:40 |
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gmcharlt |
bug 11896 |
| 19:40 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11896 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , add tools for compiling LESS files |
| 19:41 |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: jcamins: ^^ does this seem reasonable for a next step |
| 19:41 |
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gmcharlt |
blithely pushing aside, for the moment, the question of user-level customization task that would be best done via tweakign the LESS? |
| 19:42 |
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oleonard |
gmcharlt: Could this process be done so that instead of triggering the LESS compile directly it triggered a grunt task which included LESS file compilation? |
| 19:42 |
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jcamins |
That seems reasonable. Until we can build the LESS and cache it on the fly, OpacUserCSS is going to seem vastly preferable for anything that doesn't involve large numbers of changes, though, at least in my opinion. |
| 19:43 |
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jcamins |
(not that I think that generating the CSS on the fly is a crucial behavior that needs to be added NOW NOW NOW, just noting that the fact that we can compile our own LESS stylesheets doesn't make it a better idea than writing our own opac.css files for relatively small changes) |
| 19:44 |
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thd |
Is there an advantage to using less for web browser client specific changes or are all proper advantages of less server side? |
| 19:44 |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: not necessarily opposed to grunt, but I note that it's not packaged by Debian |
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thd |
s/less/LESS/ |
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oleonard |
gmcharlt: Hm, understandable. |
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wahanui |
understandable. is probably why i was running it against a local copy |
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gmcharlt |
on the other hand, things like https://www.npmjs.org/package/npm2debian might obviate that difficulty |
| 19:46 |
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gmcharlt |
dunno - experimentation required |
| 19:46 |
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gmcharlt |
but I'll add a comment to the bug with that suggsetion |
| 19:47 |
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gmcharlt |
cait has suggested that LESS-compilation be added to the agenda for the next dev meeting |
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wajasu |
what dists is npm packaged on? |
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gmcharlt |
and I'm inclined to agree |
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gmcharlt |
wajasu: npm itself is packaged only for Debian |
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gmcharlt |
gah |
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gmcharlt |
for Debian Jessie |
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gmcharlt |
for Ubuntu, looks like precise is the first release it's avaiable for |
| 19:49 |
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gmcharlt |
OK, to wrap up, I think |
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gmcharlt |
#info bug 11896 should be used for hashing out patches for adding LESS-compilation to the install/upgrade process |
| 19:49 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11896 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , add tools for compiling LESS files |
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gmcharlt |
#action gmcharlt will add LESS compilation to the agenda for the dev meeting next week |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: anything else on this for the moemtn? |
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mtompset |
There's a dev meeting next week? |
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oleonard |
gmcharlt: yes |
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cait |
mtompset: yes |
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gmcharlt |
mtompset: see http://meetings.koha-community[…]-02-25-14.59.html |
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gmcharlt |
#info Next dev meeting is scheduled for 15UTC and 21UTC on 12 March 2014 |
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mtompset |
Okay. Thank you for the clarifications. |
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gmcharlt |
#topic Announcements |
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gmcharlt |
anyboyd? |
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* cait |
has none |
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oleonard |
gmcharlt: Question |
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wahanui |
Question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: answer |
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cait |
maybe just: be prepared for lots of bugzilla mails next week :) and keep an eye on your patches? :) |
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oleonard |
Where has this discussion gotten us? |
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oleonard |
Are we still asking devs to submit patches containing both LESS modifications and compiled CSS? |
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oleonard |
...until we get something else in place? |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: from my POV it has gotten us to closer to setting up a install target |
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gmcharlt |
as far as LESS via CSS... ultimately LESS will be the only thing that gets stored in the Git tree |
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gmcharlt |
and as far as dealing with patches that include LESS vs. CSS, my inclination is to take the LESS as authoritative |
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gmcharlt |
and (pending further discussion at next week's meeting, I think) toss back any new ones that /only/ touch the CSS |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: does that answer your question? |
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oleonard |
yes |
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cait |
so qa will fail when the less changes aremissing? |
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magnuse |
should this be added to the coding guidelines? |
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gmcharlt |
eventually - obviously there should be some sort of grace period |
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gmcharlt |
I don't think it needs to be in the coding guidelines, actually |
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gmcharlt |
agreement on koha-devel should suffice |
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gmcharlt |
reason: there ultimately won't be CSS files for Bootstrap in teh Git tree for folks to edit |
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thd |
If it would not be in the coding guidelines, how should everyone be expected to know? |
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magnuse |
ah, true |
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wajasu |
wiki? |
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wahanui |
wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org |
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cait |
i think having some clear instructions would be good - on how to edit the css |
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cait |
how to do it right |
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mveron |
cait + |
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cait |
i am a bit lost there myself right now |
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* magnuse |
too |
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wajasu |
this all we have now: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]p_OPAC_LESS_files |
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gmcharlt |
to reiterate, ultimately there would be no CSS to edit |
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cait |
not sure i understand less right |
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cait |
but wouldn't you have to generate one for testing your changes? |
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gmcharlt |
yes, but as a generated artificat, it wouldn't be stored in the Git tree, and you wouldn't be genreating patches against it |
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gmcharlt |
just the source LESS fiels |
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cait |
yeah, i was more thinking aobut a tutorial on 'how do i change the styling of X now' :) |
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gmcharlt |
ah |
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gmcharlt |
well, wouln't actually be much different |
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gmcharlt |
since for most things, the LESS files are very similar to CSS |
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gmcharlt |
so it would be (a) edit the LESS (b) run a command to generate/refresh the CSS (c) test |
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wajasu |
the tester must compile the patched LESS files. the person submitting the patch might be nice and supply the test plan with how to compile to the target CSS file. |
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thd |
Certainly a prominent tutorial would be needed to keep Koha user friendly. |
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oleonard |
There is no reason why an individual patch would require a test plan describing the compile process |
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oleonard |
The process is the same for any LESS file changes. |
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gmcharlt |
and that's the point of things like the update_zebra_conf (sp?) makefile target |
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gmcharlt |
and a similar one could be created for LESS compilation |
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gmcharlt |
it's not beyond the realm of possibility that Git hooks could automate it |
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gmcharlt |
*however*, I think we're getting off into the weeds here -- further commentary on the bug, please |
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mveron |
That would be great. |
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mveron |
(automating) |
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gmcharlt |
#topic Setting time for next meeting |
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gmcharlt |
given the number of meetings this month |
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gmcharlt |
I propose 9 April as the date |
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magnuse |
+1 |
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jsasse |
+1 |
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gmcharlt |
as far as timing goes, I woudl like to propose an experiment |
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gmcharlt |
namely, a split meeting, 15UTC + 21UTC, similar to the last dev meeting |
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gmcharlt |
I feel that the current rotation we're on ends up resulting in at least 1/3 of the general meetings being barely attended at all |
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cait |
+1 |
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ColinC |
+1 |
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oleonard |
+1 |
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magnuse |
+1 for experimenting |
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jwagner |
+1 worth a try |
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mveron |
+1 experimenting |
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thd |
+1 # Most any experiment for better attended meeting times. |
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clintD |
+1 |
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peggy |
+1 |
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jsasse |
+1 |
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wajasu |
+1 |
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gmcharlt |
#agreed The next general meeting will be a split one at 15UTC and 21UTC on 9 April 2014 |
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mtompset |
+1 # worth the experiment. |
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gmcharlt |
I will also make a point of specifically mentioning this experiment on the general mailing list |
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gmcharlt |
thanks, everybody! |
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gmcharlt |
#endmeeting |
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huginn |
Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-03-05-19.05.html |
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huginn |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]4-03-05-19.05.txt |
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huginn |
Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]05-19.05.log.html |
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cait |
gmcharlt++ # thx |
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cait |
:) |
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thd |
oleonard: During the meeting, you had mentioned something about many more uses for LESS. Would you mention some others? |
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oleonard |
thd: http://lesscss.org/features/ |
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oleonard |
thd: Not more uses for LESS, but more features in LESS which we could take advantage of |
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oleonard |
The bootstrap theme's LESS file uses some variables, some mixins, lots of nesting, but no operations or functions for instance |
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thd |
oleanord: Thanks, I understand better with the distinction about features. |
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cait |
oleonard++ |
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cait |
i am starting to get a better idea of it too |
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mveron |
Looks interesting... |
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thd |
oleonard: Is there any dynamic run time functionality in LESS or is it entirely for a compile once process for serving static CSS files? |
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oleonard |
thd: You can use JavaScript to "compile" LESS on the fly if you want. |
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thd |
oleonard: What I am thinking of is would it be useful for dynamically generating CSS files specific to particular web browser features, such as window size, detected during a browsing session? |
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oleonard |
Other technologies do that. The media queries in the bootstrap theme's CSS change the OPAC's layout based on window size for instance. |
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oleonard |
JavaScript "polyfills" can help emulate new CSS features which older browsers don't have |
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mtompset |
which level of HTML compliance are we working on having? |
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mtompset |
which standard? |
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oleonard |
html5 |
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rangi |
here's what ive been doing http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ons.git;a=summary |
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cait |
moving the po files? |
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rangi |
just copied so far, but id like to get bernardo to commit to there, instead of to the main repo |
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rangi |
then a symlink, before building the tarball/release should pull them all in |
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cait |
cool |
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rangi |
once that is working fine, then remove them from the main one |
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rangi |
it wont drop the size, but it will slow it growing, by a lot |
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tcohen |
bernardo has been playing with that idea of yours rangi (hi rangi) |
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rangi |
cool |
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oleonard |
Bye everyone. See you all in 17 hours or so |
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mveron |
Bye #koha |
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eythian |
hi |
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cait |
hi eythian |
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rhcl |
hi eythian |
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mtompset |
Greetings, eythian. :) |
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tcohen |
how can I pass a function reference to a template? |
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tcohen |
for example, I'd like to do smth like: |
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tcohen |
$template->param( CMISImageURL => &C4::External::CMIS::image_url() ); |
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tcohen |
and use it: <img src="[% CMISImageURL( SEARCH_RESULT.normalized_isbn ) %]" alt="" class="item-thumbnail" /> |
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tcohen |
would that work? |
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wizzyrea |
does anyone have development in the work to make long overdue not charge based on borrower category? |
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wizzyrea |
i.e. borrower category "staff" doesn't get replacement charges applied |
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wizzyrea |
in the works* |
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cait |
wizzyrea: havne't seen something on bugzilla |
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wizzyrea |
yeah, I don't either, which actually surprises me a lot! |
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wizzyrea |
feels like it ought to be a parameter in the circ rules |
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wizzyrea |
"charge lost items" or something |
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bag |
seems silly to me to waste the time on that dev - when the staff member can just waive their own fines or override the renewal |
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bag |
wait by time - I totally meant money :P |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: yes - http://www.template-toolkit.or[…]ction_Subroutines |
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wizzyrea |
well what about say, homebound borrowers? |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt: thanks. |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt: is &C4::External::CMIS::image_url() kosher? |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: I think you need \&C4::... |
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wizzyrea |
I agree it might be a 123, but apparently it causes enough consternation for someone to ask for it. |
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wizzyrea |
or libraries that don't want to charge their volunteers lost charges. Though to me, if you lose a book from the library you really ought to be responsible for replacing it, even if you're staff :P |
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gmcharlt |
however, I have an inchoate sense that it's better to take the time to write a TT plugin module, as opening the door to surfacing core APIs in templates fees like it could mix levels too much |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: as a data point, I try to encourage folks not to use staff accounts for their own borrowing |
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wizzyrea |
yeah that's a good plan. |
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gmcharlt |
and there are libraries where getting caught waiving one's own fines would be grounds for discipline |
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wizzyrea |
^ this actually reads like a roundabout argument *for* allowing certain categories to be systematically excluded from fees |
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wizzyrea |
to me |
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wizzyrea |
"the system handles that, you don't touch it" |
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wizzyrea |
but that is a people problem, not a tech problem. |
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eythian |
tcohen: I tend to agree with gmcharlt there, we should try to avoid poking directly into C4 from TT, it's too tight coupling. |
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cait |
wizzyrea: we don't use the long overdues script |
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tcohen |
eythian and gmcharlt: i'm evaluating the difficulty to do something like C4::External::* do |
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cait |
wizzyrea: so it hasn#t come up |
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tcohen |
do you think those should be template plugins instead too? |
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tcohen |
(i prefer to do it as a template plugin too, didn't think of it before, and will do it that way) |
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eythian |
even a plugin that just passes through access. That way there is an obvious boundary. |
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gmcharlt |
yeah |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: and indeed, yes, you've surfaced something implicit in my comments |
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gmcharlt |
i.e., if you're going to have a stated policy of not charging or waiving certain types of fines for specified patron groups, having the code manage it could be useful |
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cait |
good night all |
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wizzyrea |
good night cait |
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#quit |
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rhcl |
I musta missed the winner of the NA Koha Users Group. Was it announced somewhere? Who won? |
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rhcl |
the meeting, I mean |
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bag |
rhcl NCRL won |
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mtompset |
Greetings, tcohen. :) |
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mtompset |
Greetings, wizzyrea. |
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tcohen |
hi mtompset |
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mtompset |
Okay. This is probably a dumb sounding question, but is the difference between acquisitions and cataloguing basically whether you ordered it, or you discovered you already had a copy? |
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