Time Nick Message 23:56 mtompset Okay. This is probably a dumb sounding question, but is the difference between acquisitions and cataloguing basically whether you ordered it, or you discovered you already had a copy? 23:54 tcohen hi mtompset 23:54 mtompset Greetings, wizzyrea. 23:51 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. :) 23:12 bag rhcl NCRL won 23:00 rhcl the meeting, I mean 23:00 rhcl I musta missed the winner of the NA Koha Users Group. Was it announced somewhere? Who won? 22:41 jsasse #quit 22:32 wizzyrea good night cait 22:29 cait good night all 22:18 gmcharlt i.e., if you're going to have a stated policy of not charging or waiving certain types of fines for specified patron groups, having the code manage it could be useful 22:17 gmcharlt wizzyrea: and indeed, yes, you've surfaced something implicit in my comments 22:16 gmcharlt yeah 22:14 eythian even a plugin that just passes through access. That way there is an obvious boundary. 22:14 tcohen (i prefer to do it as a template plugin too, didn't think of it before, and will do it that way) 22:13 tcohen do you think those should be template plugins instead too? 22:13 cait wizzyrea: so it hasn#t come up 22:13 tcohen eythian and gmcharlt: i'm evaluating the difficulty to do something like C4::External::* do 22:13 cait wizzyrea: we don't use the long overdues script 22:12 eythian tcohen: I tend to agree with gmcharlt there, we should try to avoid poking directly into C4 from TT, it's too tight coupling. 22:11 wizzyrea but that is a people problem, not a tech problem. 22:11 wizzyrea "the system handles that, you don't touch it" 22:11 wizzyrea to me 22:11 wizzyrea ^ this actually reads like a roundabout argument *for* allowing certain categories to be systematically excluded from fees 22:08 gmcharlt and there are libraries where getting caught waiving one's own fines would be grounds for discipline 22:06 wizzyrea yeah that's a good plan. 22:06 gmcharlt wizzyrea: as a data point, I try to encourage folks not to use staff accounts for their own borrowing 22:05 gmcharlt however, I have an inchoate sense that it's better to take the time to write a TT plugin module, as opening the door to surfacing core APIs in templates fees like it could mix levels too much 22:05 wizzyrea or libraries that don't want to charge their volunteers lost charges. Though to me, if you lose a book from the library you really ought to be responsible for replacing it, even if you're staff :P 22:02 wizzyrea I agree it might be a 123, but apparently it causes enough consternation for someone to ask for it. 22:02 gmcharlt tcohen: I think you need \&C4::... 22:01 tcohen gmcharlt: is &C4::External::CMIS::image_url() kosher? 22:01 tcohen gmcharlt: thanks. 22:01 wizzyrea well what about say, homebound borrowers? 22:01 gmcharlt tcohen: yes - http://www.template-toolkit.org/docs/manual/Variables.html#section_Subroutines 22:00 bag wait by time - I totally meant money :P 22:00 bag seems silly to me to waste the time on that dev - when the staff member can just waive their own fines or override the renewal 21:57 wizzyrea "charge lost items" or something 21:57 wizzyrea feels like it ought to be a parameter in the circ rules 21:57 wizzyrea yeah, I don't either, which actually surprises me a lot! 21:56 cait wizzyrea: havne't seen something on bugzilla 21:53 wizzyrea in the works* 21:52 wizzyrea i.e. borrower category "staff" doesn't get replacement charges applied 21:52 wizzyrea does anyone have development in the work to make long overdue not charge based on borrower category? 21:51 tcohen would that work? 21:50 tcohen and use it: <img src="[% CMISImageURL( SEARCH_RESULT.normalized_isbn ) %]" alt="" class="item-thumbnail" /> 21:49 tcohen $template->param( CMISImageURL => &C4::External::CMIS::image_url() ); 21:49 tcohen for example, I'd like to do smth like: 21:48 tcohen how can I pass a function reference to a template? 21:09 mtompset Greetings, eythian. :) 21:09 rhcl hi eythian 21:07 cait hi eythian 21:06 eythian hi 20:43 mveron Bye #koha 20:32 oleonard Bye everyone. See you all in 17 hours or so 20:30 rangi cool 20:30 tcohen bernardo has been playing with that idea of yours rangi (hi rangi) 20:30 rangi it wont drop the size, but it will slow it growing, by a lot 20:29 rangi once that is working fine, then remove them from the main one 20:29 cait cool 20:29 rangi then a symlink, before building the tarball/release should pull them all in 20:29 rangi just copied so far, but id like to get bernardo to commit to there, instead of to the main repo 20:28 cait moving the po files? 20:28 rangi here's what ive been doing http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha-translations.git;a=summary 20:28 oleonard html5 20:28 mtompset which standard? 20:28 mtompset which level of HTML compliance are we working on having? 20:25 oleonard JavaScript "polyfills" can help emulate new CSS features which older browsers don't have 20:25 oleonard Other technologies do that. The media queries in the bootstrap theme's CSS change the OPAC's layout based on window size for instance. 20:24 thd oleonard: What I am thinking of is would it be useful for dynamically generating CSS files specific to particular web browser features, such as window size, detected during a browsing session? 20:22 oleonard thd: You can use JavaScript to "compile" LESS on the fly if you want. 20:21 thd oleonard: Is there any dynamic run time functionality in LESS or is it entirely for a compile once process for serving static CSS files? 20:21 mveron Looks interesting... 20:19 cait i am starting to get a better idea of it too 20:19 cait oleonard++ 20:18 thd oleanord: Thanks, I understand better with the distinction about features. 20:18 oleonard The bootstrap theme's LESS file uses some variables, some mixins, lots of nesting, but no operations or functions for instance 20:17 oleonard thd: Not more uses for LESS, but more features in LESS which we could take advantage of 20:16 oleonard thd: http://lesscss.org/features/ 20:16 thd oleonard: During the meeting, you had mentioned something about many more uses for LESS. Would you mention some others? 20:15 cait :) 20:15 cait gmcharlt++ # thx 20:15 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_general_meeting__5_march_2014.2014-03-05-19.05.log.html 20:15 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_general_meeting__5_march_2014.2014-03-05-19.05.txt 20:15 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_general_meeting__5_march_2014.2014-03-05-19.05.html 20:15 huginn Meeting ended Wed Mar 5 20:15:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 20:15 gmcharlt #endmeeting 20:15 gmcharlt thanks, everybody! 20:15 gmcharlt I will also make a point of specifically mentioning this experiment on the general mailing list 20:14 mtompset +1 # worth the experiment. 20:14 gmcharlt #agreed The next general meeting will be a split one at 15UTC and 21UTC on 9 April 2014 20:14 wajasu +1 20:13 jsasse +1 20:13 peggy +1 20:13 clintD +1 20:13 thd +1 # Most any experiment for better attended meeting times. 20:13 mveron +1 experimenting 20:13 jwagner +1 worth a try 20:12 magnuse +1 for experimenting 20:12 oleonard +1 20:12 ColinC +1 20:12 cait +1 20:12 gmcharlt I feel that the current rotation we're on ends up resulting in at least 1/3 of the general meetings being barely attended at all 20:11 gmcharlt namely, a split meeting, 15UTC + 21UTC, similar to the last dev meeting 20:11 gmcharlt as far as timing goes, I woudl like to propose an experiment 20:11 jsasse +1 20:11 magnuse +1 20:10 gmcharlt I propose 9 April as the date 20:10 gmcharlt given the number of meetings this month 20:10 gmcharlt #topic Setting time for next meeting 20:09 mveron (automating) 20:09 mveron That would be great. 20:09 gmcharlt *however*, I think we're getting off into the weeds here -- further commentary on the bug, please 20:09 gmcharlt it's not beyond the realm of possibility that Git hooks could automate it 20:09 gmcharlt and a similar one could be created for LESS compilation 20:08 gmcharlt and that's the point of things like the update_zebra_conf (sp?) makefile target 20:07 oleonard The process is the same for any LESS file changes. 20:07 oleonard There is no reason why an individual patch would require a test plan describing the compile process 20:05 thd Certainly a prominent tutorial would be needed to keep Koha user friendly. 20:04 wajasu the tester must compile the patched LESS files. the person submitting the patch might be nice and supply the test plan with how to compile to the target CSS file. 20:03 gmcharlt so it would be (a) edit the LESS (b) run a command to generate/refresh the CSS (c) test 20:03 gmcharlt since for most things, the LESS files are very similar to CSS 20:03 gmcharlt well, wouln't actually be much different 20:03 gmcharlt ah 20:02 cait yeah, i was more thinking aobut a tutorial on 'how do i change the styling of X now' :) 20:02 gmcharlt just the source LESS fiels 20:02 gmcharlt yes, but as a generated artificat, it wouldn't be stored in the Git tree, and you wouldn't be genreating patches against it 20:01 cait but wouldn't you have to generate one for testing your changes? 20:01 cait not sure i understand less right 20:01 gmcharlt to reiterate, ultimately there would be no CSS to edit 20:01 wajasu this all we have now: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Working_with_Bootstrap_OPAC_LESS_files 20:01 * magnuse too 20:01 cait i am a bit lost there myself right now 20:01 mveron cait + 20:01 cait how to do it right 20:00 cait i think having some clear instructions would be good - on how to edit the css 20:00 wahanui wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org 20:00 wajasu wiki? 20:00 magnuse ah, true 20:00 thd If it would not be in the coding guidelines, how should everyone be expected to know? 19:59 gmcharlt reason: there ultimately won't be CSS files for Bootstrap in teh Git tree for folks to edit 19:59 gmcharlt agreement on koha-devel should suffice 19:59 gmcharlt I don't think it needs to be in the coding guidelines, actually 19:59 gmcharlt eventually - obviously there should be some sort of grace period 19:59 magnuse should this be added to the coding guidelines? 19:58 cait so qa will fail when the less changes aremissing? 19:58 oleonard yes 19:57 gmcharlt oleonard: does that answer your question? 19:56 gmcharlt and (pending further discussion at next week's meeting, I think) toss back any new ones that /only/ touch the CSS 19:55 gmcharlt and as far as dealing with patches that include LESS vs. CSS, my inclination is to take the LESS as authoritative 19:55 gmcharlt as far as LESS via CSS... ultimately LESS will be the only thing that gets stored in the Git tree 19:54 gmcharlt oleonard: from my POV it has gotten us to closer to setting up a install target 19:54 oleonard ...until we get something else in place? 19:54 oleonard Are we still asking devs to submit patches containing both LESS modifications and compiled CSS? 19:54 oleonard Where has this discussion gotten us? 19:54 cait maybe just: be prepared for lots of bugzilla mails next week :) and keep an eye on your patches? :) 19:54 gmcharlt oleonard: answer 19:53 wahanui Question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" 19:53 oleonard gmcharlt: Question 19:53 * cait has none 19:52 gmcharlt anyboyd? 19:52 gmcharlt #topic Announcements 19:52 mtompset Okay. Thank you for the clarifications. 19:51 gmcharlt #info Next dev meeting is scheduled for 15UTC and 21UTC on 12 March 2014 19:51 gmcharlt mtompset: see http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_dev_meeting__25_february_2014_15_00_utc.2014-02-25-14.59.html 19:51 cait mtompset: yes 19:51 oleonard gmcharlt: yes 19:50 mtompset There's a dev meeting next week? 19:50 gmcharlt oleonard: anything else on this for the moemtn? 19:49 gmcharlt #action gmcharlt will add LESS compilation to the agenda for the dev meeting next week 19:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11896 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , add tools for compiling LESS files 19:49 gmcharlt #info bug 11896 should be used for hashing out patches for adding LESS-compilation to the install/upgrade process 19:49 gmcharlt OK, to wrap up, I think 19:48 gmcharlt for Ubuntu, looks like precise is the first release it's avaiable for 19:47 gmcharlt for Debian Jessie 19:47 gmcharlt gah 19:47 gmcharlt wajasu: npm itself is packaged only for Debian 19:47 gmcharlt and I'm inclined to agree 19:47 wajasu what dists is npm packaged on? 19:47 gmcharlt cait has suggested that LESS-compilation be added to the agenda for the next dev meeting 19:46 gmcharlt but I'll add a comment to the bug with that suggsetion 19:46 gmcharlt dunno - experimentation required 19:46 gmcharlt on the other hand, things like https://www.npmjs.org/package/npm2debian might obviate that difficulty 19:45 wahanui understandable. is probably why i was running it against a local copy 19:45 oleonard gmcharlt: Hm, understandable. 19:45 thd s/less/LESS/ 19:44 gmcharlt oleonard: not necessarily opposed to grunt, but I note that it's not packaged by Debian 19:44 thd Is there an advantage to using less for web browser client specific changes or are all proper advantages of less server side? 19:43 jcamins (not that I think that generating the CSS on the fly is a crucial behavior that needs to be added NOW NOW NOW, just noting that the fact that we can compile our own LESS stylesheets doesn't make it a better idea than writing our own opac.css files for relatively small changes) 19:42 jcamins That seems reasonable. Until we can build the LESS and cache it on the fly, OpacUserCSS is going to seem vastly preferable for anything that doesn't involve large numbers of changes, though, at least in my opinion. 19:42 oleonard gmcharlt: Could this process be done so that instead of triggering the LESS compile directly it triggered a grunt task which included LESS file compilation? 19:41 gmcharlt blithely pushing aside, for the moment, the question of user-level customization task that would be best done via tweakign the LESS? 19:41 gmcharlt oleonard: jcamins: ^^ does this seem reasonable for a next step 19:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11896 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , add tools for compiling LESS files 19:40 gmcharlt bug 11896 19:40 oleonard The bootstrap theme's LESS file only begins to implement all the features possible with LESS 19:40 bag #info Brendan Gallagher bywater 19:39 oleonard Note that while that may be true for stock Bootstrap CSS it's not true for the bootstrap theme's LESS. We would need to make improvements. 19:39 mveron https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/AIUI 19:39 cait wahanui++ 19:38 wahanui aiui is As I Understand It 19:38 magnuse aiui? 19:38 gmcharlt i.e., that certain types of changes would be basically one-liners in the LESS, but become larger in the generated CSS 19:38 gmcharlt jcamins: right, but AIUI, that's the point of recompiling -- for certain things, you just set a Bootstrap variable, and it recalculates everything for you during the compilation 19:36 jcamins (i.e. I might start out changing the height of the navbar, but by the time I'm done, I can reasonably expect to have changed a skajillion other things too; otherwise I could just override the places where the variable is used) 19:35 gmcharlt one second, I'm writing something up for BZ on this 19:34 wahanui I know. That's why I said it. 19:34 magnuse peggy: very true! 19:33 jcamins The reason I find that dramatic is that just changing the height of the navbar doesn't really seem to me to be enough... though maybe it's just a mouse and cookie problem. 19:32 peggy seem 19:32 peggy It wouldn't see dramatic to a non-technical librarian 19:32 gmcharlt of course, there are other options for placing it 19:32 gmcharlt meh, not every library's logo fits well into a constraint that it be < 40 px tall 19:31 jcamins gmcharlt: that's true, but that seems kind of dramatic to me. 19:31 oleonard Along with LESS compiling, the other thing I have in mind is incorporating tasks using something like Grunt: http://gruntjs.com/ 19:30 gmcharlt though I'm open to suggestions that I'm wrong on that point 19:30 gmcharlt well, not necessarily /that/ dramatic -- changing the height of the navbar is, AFAICT, best done via LESS 19:29 jcamins oleonard: it would have to be pretty dramatic. 19:29 jcamins But my feeling is anyone doing that level of customization is going to be figuring it out themselves, so I see no need to make special allowances for it. 19:29 oleonard I doubt most would do that much 19:28 jcamins If I were to customize dramatically based on the Bootstrap theme, I would use LESS. 19:28 oleonard But I could foresee a system which took custom CSS from system preferences and automatically minified it and concatenated it with Koha's built-in CSS 19:28 wajasu what if tweakable bits are in sysprefs, and upon save, less is run to compile a new customized css file? 19:27 oleonard There's no reason why folks can't customize using plain CSS, even while incorporated more complex tools like media queries. I don't think LESS needs to enter into the equation 19:27 cait hm it feels like the LESS would make more sense if you are using a css file opposed to the opacusercss? 19:26 gmcharlt and is there call, you think, for compiling LESS files to potentially become part of the standard toolkit for tweaks? 19:26 gmcharlt how would you recommend they go about that? 19:26 gmcharlt but let's say somebody wants to do something like tweak the height of the navbar to accommodate a taller logo? 19:25 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agggme, New York City 19:25 gmcharlt override bits of CSS is one thing 19:25 gmcharlt what would be your recommendation for somebody who wants to incoporate this into their OPAC customization tweaks 19:25 gmcharlt however... I have a question I'd like your opinion on 19:24 gmcharlt which would mean it would be done during installation and updates 19:24 gmcharlt it would be easy enough to make a build target to recompile the less 19:24 gmcharlt oleonard: here's my current thinking - 19:24 cait :) 19:24 gmcharlt #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Working_with_Bootstrap_OPAC_LESS_files info on compiling LESS files 19:23 magnuse lol 19:23 gmcharlt (sorry, I could. not. resist.) 19:23 gmcharlt #topic Compiling LESS files more 19:23 gmcharlt #action Galen will put getting the site-selection process starting for KohaCon 2015 on the April general meeting agenda 19:22 ColinC +1 19:22 magnuse +1 19:22 mveron +1 19:22 cait +1 19:22 jsasse +1 19:22 gmcharlt how about just an action item to put this on the agenda for the April meeting? 19:22 gmcharlt :) 19:22 cait i have my hands pretty full already 19:21 cait ah sorry no 19:21 oleonard Whoops, cait just volunteered! ;) 19:21 gmcharlt yeah, to split the difference, a bit earlier than June for CFP would be good, but don't necessarily need to do it instantly 19:20 cait oleonard: maybe the next host wants to have it a bit earlier in the year - I think starting now would not hurt 19:20 gmcharlt in that case, doesn't hurt to defer for a bit longer 19:20 oleonard Looks like the first call for 2014 proposals was June 2013? 19:19 huginn gmcharlt: Your current monologue is at least 2 lines long. 19:19 gmcharlt @monologue 19:18 gmcharlt are there any volunteers here who want to go ahead and get that started? 19:18 * cait agrees 19:18 gmcharlt seems reasonable to me 19:18 gmcharlt #info question was posed as to whether it is time to start site-selection for the 2015 conference 19:17 gmcharlt #topic KohaCon 2015 19:17 gmcharlt ... and so it is 19:17 gmcharlt looks like neither tcohen or bgkriegel are here, so this may be brief 19:16 gmcharlt #topic KohaCon 2014 19:15 gmcharlt any other questions? 19:15 magnuse gmcharlt++ 19:15 cait gmcharlt++ 19:14 gmcharlt #info The Marseille Hackfest runs from 10-14 March 19:14 gmcharlt #info gmcharlt will set firm dates for feature freeze immediate after hackfest 19:13 magnuse gmcharlt: are there dates for feature freeze et al yet? 19:13 gmcharlt #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Developers_IRC_Meeting,_February_25,_2014 notes and minutes from the 25 February IRC dev meeting 19:13 wahanui rumour has it next week is project week 19:13 magnuse mtompset: next week! 19:13 mtompset When is the hackfest again? 19:12 gmcharlt #info QA team is currently working on patch signoff and patch rescue during this period 19:12 gmcharlt #info RM will be clearing the passed QA queue (via pushing or throwing patches back) prior to the Marseille hackfest 19:12 gmcharlt #topic Update on 3.16 19:11 gmcharlt #info 3.12.11 released on February 25 19:11 gmcharlt #info 3.14.4 released on February 26 19:11 gmcharlt #info No particular updates from the RMaints - no news is good news 19:11 gmcharlt ok, we'll just assume that they're all hunky-dory 19:10 cait I guess bad timing - none of them seems around? 19:09 gmcharlt RMaints for 3.8, 3.10, 3.12, and 3.14, please give any updates you have now 19:09 gmcharlt #topic Maintenance release updates 19:08 gmcharlt ok 19:07 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin 19:06 clintD #info clint deckard, Anact,NZ 19:06 rhcl #info rhcl = Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library, St. Joseph, MO, USA -ro 19:06 jcamins #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services 19:06 mveron #info Marc Véron, marc veron ag (www.veron.ch), Allschwil, Switzerland, member of Koha Support Schweiz 19:06 ColinC #info Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe 19:05 jsasse #info Joel Sasse, MN USA 19:05 peggy #info Peggy Thrasher, NH, USA 19:05 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS 19:05 gmcharlt #info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, 3.16RM, Equinox, USA 19:05 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Oslo Public Library, Norway 19:05 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 19:05 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 19:05 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett 19:05 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 19:05 gmcharlt #topic Introductions 19:05 gmcharlt #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_5_March_2014 Agenda 19:05 mtompset wajasu++ #thanks for the sign off. 19:05 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'koha_general_meeting__5_march_2014' 19:05 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:05 huginn Meeting started Wed Mar 5 19:05:02 2014 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:05 gmcharlt #startmeeting Koha General Meeting, 5 March 2014 19:04 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Swords West, Swords, Ireland is 9.4°C (7:04 PM GMT on March 05, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 19:04 mtompset @wunder Dublin, ireland 19:04 huginn mtompset: Error: No such location could be found. 19:04 gmcharlt give me a moemnt to get organized, and I'm happy to run it 19:04 mtompset @wunder Dublin 19:04 huginn rhcl: Error: No such location could be found. 19:04 rhcl @wunder time 19:04 mtompset It should be, as far as I know. 19:04 mtompset rhcl: That would be pretty fast if it was. 19:04 oleonard The meeting should be starting now? 19:03 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 19:03 jcamins mveron: interesting! 19:03 rhcl is the meeting over? 19:02 mveron :-) 19:02 mveron The loose tea was intended to be removed from the sample bags by customers, but they found it easier to brew the tea with the tea still enclosed in the porous bags. 19:02 mveron Tea bags were a misunderstanding, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_bag 19:02 magnuse or should that be "pour water"? 19:01 magnuse poor water 19:00 gmcharlt :0 19:00 cait it's tea bags, but i boiled the water :) 19:00 cait nope 19:00 * magnuse suspects cait of instant tea and hot water from the tap 18:59 cait back 18:58 magnuse wb oleonard-away 18:58 mtompset Run cait run! :) 18:55 cait hm gonna try, brb 18:55 * cait wonders if there is enough time left for making tea 18:54 peggy light snow in the air here - kind of pretty 18:53 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 7.3°C (7:53 PM CET on March 05, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 18:53 mveron @wunder allschwil 18:52 mveron hi cait :-) 18:52 cait hi mveron :) 18:52 mveron Hi #koha 18:51 peggy Hi Cait! 18:47 * cait waves at peggy :) 18:44 cait hm could be quick tonight 18:42 ColinC hi all 18:41 cait and hi ColinC, magnuse and mtompset 18:40 magnuse hiya mtompset and ColinC 18:37 mtompset Greetings, ColinC. :) 18:37 mtompset Greetings, magnuse cait. :) 18:35 * cait is ready :) 18:34 ColinC yes 18:32 magnuse meeting in ~30 minutes, right? 18:19 wajasu i can look at 8168 18:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8168 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , ersatz CSV header in attachment of overdue notices sent to administrator 18:18 mtompset bug 8168 is easier to sign off. ;) 18:18 wajasu i agree. 18:18 mtompset let's see if I can find and remember this mess. 18:17 mtompset and not hardcode 0. 18:17 mtompset it should have a tiny loop to look for the first non-hidden/lost item. 18:17 mtompset Yes... there is an array reference to the first item [0]... 18:17 wajasu whan/what 18:17 wajasu do you recall whan [0] is? is it the 1st item? 18:15 * Oak sleepy. see you later #koha. 18:15 Oak mtompset++ 18:15 Oak wajasu++ 18:14 mtompset And I think that plays into this. 18:14 mtompset The [0] is hardcoded. 18:14 wajasu so we need to grab all the items to look ate the lost flag. 18:14 mtompset wajasu: If I recall, there is another problem... 18:13 wajasu i added code in the for loop, but the join is against biblioitems. i think we need to get the item lost and count accordingly, and subtract from the total. i did a simple fix, but I think the results only get the first item, and when you subsequent are lost, .. 18:12 Oak yeah 18:10 mtompset It's been a while since I looked at that code. 18:09 wajasu it looks like there is some attempt. commented out code pertaining to hidelostitems. must not work. 18:08 wajasu thats what i thought. 18:07 mtompset If the query to get the results actually excluded the lost items in the first place, then it would be easily done. 18:06 mtompset This is why facets returned from Zebra (or whatever search engine) are the best way to fix this sort of problem. 18:06 mtompset Well, the problem is you can't get it to work fully, because the full result set is never passed back, so you don't know how many are actually hidden. And it could change from page to page/result set to result set. 18:04 wajasu i did a simple patch to get hidelostitems total count to work, but it seems more invloved. 18:04 mtompset Okay, and? 18:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11489 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , OPAC search results in 404 error when the only search result is supressed 18:03 wajasu mtompset: i was looking into signing off bug 11489. i was trying some more extensive test scenarios along th lines of cait's comment #19. 18:03 mtompset The game is only on once. :) 17:48 Oak yeah, but live is live. 17:48 mtompset Well, there's always the log files, right? :) 17:48 mtompset Ah, okay. 17:47 Oak mtompset, well, i can try. but, it'll be at 12:00am my time. and i have to get up really early. 17:23 mtompset Are you going to be around for the meeting? 17:23 mtompset Greetings, Oak. 17:23 Oak hello mtompset 17:21 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 16:59 reiveune bye 16:44 druthb Supposed to get up to 20 or so by Friday. We shall see. 16:44 druthb it is chilly in Houston, for march. We had another round of icing yesterday. 16:43 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 30.1°C (1:40 PM ART on March 05, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 16:42 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 16:42 rhcl humm, isn't that cool for Houston? 16:42 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 7.8°C (10:42 AM CST on March 05, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). 16:42 druthb @wunder 77098 16:03 rhcl he's back. tnx gmcharlt 16:03 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 0.3°C (10:03 AM CST on March 05, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising). 16:03 rhcl @wunder 64507 15:58 Oak okay 15:57 smi logout 15:49 Oak :) 15:49 cait hi Oak :) 15:46 Oak magnuse 15:46 Oak Hi cait, druthb, everyone! 15:46 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 15.0°C (8:00 PM PKT on March 05, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: (Rising). 15:46 Oak @wunder islamabad 15:46 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.3°C (4:45 PM CET on March 05, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 15:46 Oak @wunder Konstanz 15:41 huginn cait: Quote #85: "owen: Nothing says embracing my geekness like participating in an IRC meeting about software licenses!" (added by kf at 12:23 PM, July 14, 2010) 15:41 cait @quote random 15:40 huginn cait: Quote #226: "<wizzyrea> like someone would do quote add someone: something funny" (added by gmcharlt at 09:57 PM, December 27, 2012) 15:40 cait @quote random 15:40 huginn druthb: Quote #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt" (added by jdavidb at 09:21 PM, August 22, 2009) 15:40 druthb @quote random 15:32 cait maybe I shoudl add that to today's agenda? :) 15:32 huginn cait: Quote #285: "<cait> maybe we should keep #koha for the cookies, and split off a dev chat :)" (added by gmcharlt at 09:26 PM, December 16, 2013) 15:32 cait @quote random 15:32 cait heh 15:31 Dyrcona I like that quote! 15:29 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #257: "<pianohacker> That code has enough smells to start a perfume shop" (added by wizzyrea at 10:13 PM, June 12, 2013) 15:29 gmcharlt @quote random 15:17 cait ashimema++ as well :) 14:39 cait Joubu++ :) 14:38 * Dyrcona waves. 14:38 * cait waves at Dyrcona 14:37 rhcl cool, tnx 14:37 Dyrcona rhcl: I did a later for gmcharlt in #evergreen on your behalf. :) 14:26 rhcl ovbiously that wont work either 14:25 rhcl @later tell gmcharlt kickstart huggin? 14:23 rhcl maybe I need just a little jolt 14:23 rhcl coffee 14:22 rhcl pour coffed down its throat and shock it with 21 AAA batteries 14:21 * oleonard shakes huggin and shouts "Don't you die on me! You never gave up on anything in your life!!" 14:21 rhcl dead bot apparently 14:20 wahanui huggin is probably a bot 14:20 rhcl huggin? 14:20 rhcl @wunder 64507 14:15 cait oleonard: i am easy to confuse with timezones... 14:15 cait 20:00? 14:10 * magnuse is too tired 14:10 magnuse lol 14:10 magnuse so the meeting is in *5* hours? 14:10 oleonard Yes :) 14:10 magnuse so the meeting is in hours? 14:09 * magnuse fixed the wiki 14:07 oleonard Does that look right now? 14:07 oleonard http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Koha+General+IRC+Meeting&iso=20140305T19 14:03 oleonard Ugh, did I get the time wrong? I thought I pasted it right from the wiki entry 14:03 cait now i am confused :) 14:03 cait colin said the link and text don't match on the list 14:01 oleonard ? 14:00 cait which time is right now? 14:00 cait :) 13:59 oleonard I added an item to the agenda about procedures for LESS compiling and other client-side asset handling. I hope that's agreeable. 13:28 magnuse oleonard++ 13:28 oleonard I'll do it 13:25 * magnuse does not volunteer 13:24 magnuse who sends a reminder to the lists? 13:23 cait :) 13:23 cait thx for the reminder 13:23 magnuse ooh, meeting in 4 hours 36 minutes 13:11 cait hi oleonard :) 13:11 oleonard Hi everyone 13:10 tcohen hi cait 13:10 cait hola tcohen :) 12:47 wahanui morning is a state of cat 12:47 tcohen morning! 12:04 cait good luck! 12:03 ashimema still investigating 12:03 ashimema well.. data/config 12:02 ashimema I think it may be data related at our end.. 12:02 cait did you check the help page? 12:02 cait ashimema: hmmmm i thoguth there was an option for even more verbose 11:37 * magnuse is scheduled to upgrade customers to 3.14.4 today 11:35 magnuse ashimema: http://demo.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=lessig&branch_group_limit= is 3.14.4 from the packages - search seems to be ok there 11:20 ashimema nor tripple ;) 11:20 ashimema double v give's me no further detail 11:11 cait -v -v i think 11:10 cait for even more output 11:10 cait there is a double -v option 11:10 cait hm and zebra doesn't tell you more? 11:10 ashimema sadly.. the mapping all looks in order to me :( 11:08 ashimema just trackng donw what hcnages our team have made since then. 11:07 ashimema and search was working fine only last week. 11:07 ashimema that's part of the problem.. 11:07 ashimema it's every record.. 11:05 cait and there is a script that can help find broken records - soemthing with slice in it 11:05 ashimema cheers cait 11:04 cait missing biblionumbers... 11:04 cait koha2marc-linkings 11:04 cait up 11:04 cait sometimes the problem seems to be related to framework set 11:04 cait hm 10:52 ashimema wondering whats changed 10:52 ashimema just run the rebuild with verbose.. seems rebuild is unable to parse records :( 10:52 ashimema jut ran an apt upgrade so 3.14.04 10:51 wahanui it has been said that latest is 3.6.4 10:51 ashimema latest.. 10:43 cait ashimema: i hate that one, can never figure out why it happens 10:39 * pianohacker is out of midnight oil, bye all 10:35 magnuse ashimema: not recently. which version? 10:26 ashimema in the packages recently.. 10:26 ashimema anyone been getting: Can't call method "data" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 1716. 10:16 nlegrand Let's plan a shortage ^^ 10:16 nlegrand mtj: I was afraid of something like that :). Thanks. 10:12 drojf hi #koha 10:12 drojf hi cait 10:11 khall mornin cait! 10:11 cait hi khall :) 10:11 cait hi drojf :) 10:00 mtj try using ionice/nice to make the process less greedy 09:59 mtj its 09:59 mtj nlegrand, ots probably more trouble that it is worth you :/ 09:32 nlegrand I try to make my zebra full reindex (rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -r -x -w) outside my koha server (too long, too ressource greedy) and then rsync the zebradb on the koha server. It fails :). Is there a way to do this kind of things or should I always rebuild on the koha server? 09:31 wahanui hello pianohacker are you there? 09:31 ashimema hello pianohacker 09:29 pianohacker Woo midnight oil 09:26 cait hi nlegrand 09:26 cait developers_talking++ 09:25 nlegrand hey #koha 09:04 ashimema :) 09:02 matts okay, no problem :) 09:01 ashimema matts, appologies, I've been pants on getting that regular borrower imports patch up anywhere public... not had a moment to touch it again yet. 09:01 cait hi ashimema :) 09:00 ashimema hi all 08:53 cait hi matts :) 08:50 matts hi #koha ! 08:26 cait hiya magnuse 08:24 magnuse hiya cait 08:24 cait good morning #koha 08:20 magnuse hiya Joubu 08:20 magnuse paxed: for bibliographic records, yes. but not for everything else that is stored in and sorted by the db. like patrons 08:09 Joubu1 hi 08:02 alex_a bonjour magnuse 07:56 paxed magnuse: shouldn't zebra handle that? 07:56 magnuse bonjour alex_a 07:56 magnuse paxed: you might want to look at the collations for your tables though, it might affect sorting (it's something i have been meaning to look into for a looong time) 07:56 alex_a bonjour 07:55 magnuse yup, the more utf8 the better 07:50 paxed hm. i guess mysql character_set_database should be utf8 instead of latin1 ... 07:42 mtj i think its a no-no 07:41 mtj paxed, maybe lots of double-encoding problems? 07:39 reiveune hello 07:34 paxed is there any disadvantage in converting unicode chars to entities in biblioitems.marcxml? 07:23 mtj paxed, i am glad one of us is paying attention 07:22 mtj paxed ^^ 07:22 mtj kia ora magnuse :) 07:21 magnuse kia ora mtj! 07:21 mtj whew, thanks $god for those backups... 07:21 * magnuse waves 07:21 mtj sorry, was pretty close 07:21 mtj oops, i mean tab 10 :p 07:19 paxed tab <> 9? do you mean tab<>10? 07:17 paxed mtj: right, that works. thanks. 07:17 mtj > update marc_subfield_structure set tab = 0 where frameworkcode = 'XXX' and tab <> 9; 07:16 mtj ah, yeah - good point cait :) 07:15 cait hm you shouldn't update 952 07:14 mtj hth :) 07:13 mtj ...now everything for XXX fwrk, will show in single list, on tab 0 07:13 mtj > update marc_subfield_structure set tab = 0 where frameworkcode = 'XXX'; 07:11 paxed ah 07:10 mtj hi paxed, yes… just make all MARC fields have the same tab number, for a fwrk 07:09 mtj mayank, link only works for you - no one else… -> http://ampletrails.com/koha_dat 07:03 paxed can i have the MARC show in a single list, NOT tabbed, in staff client MARC details and marc edit? 06:48 mayank eythian: link is working for me. I am using Marcedit21 06:37 chandoi loz 06:09 cait good morning #koha 05:45 dcook Why yes...a thunder storm just as I'm finishing work does seem like a good idea... 03:58 mtj yo yo, big B 03:58 bag heya mtj 03:57 mtj ahh oops… gone already :( 03:57 mtj mayank, link doesnt work for me… 03:56 mtj hi #koha 03:49 mayank eythian: link is working for me. I am using Marcedit21 03:23 eythian mayank: the link is broken. Also, we don't know what tools you're using to create the marc, but there is probably an option in that tool. 03:22 rangi that link doesnt work for me 03:18 mayank rangi: How can I make it that all the fields for the item go into the same 952. Is the link file need any change ? 02:08 rangi 15:32 < eythian> You need to make it so that all the fields for the item go into the same 952. 02:08 rangi 15:32 < eythian> mayank: you're probably making a new 952 for each item entry, and each 952 will become its own item. 02:03 mayank I am importing records in koha from excel file. I have converted data into marc format. While importing records in koha if I select "Check for embeded item recod data" as Yes then it create mulitple items for book and save bar code. If I select it to No then no bar code is imported for the book. I only have one line per iteam. What should I do to have one iteam and bar code assigned to book? Sample data is available at http://ampletrails.com/koha_dat 01:31 wajasu not funny. 01:22 rangi speaking of funny 01:22 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4PrJYD8RTo 01:19 wizzyrea oh they are funny 01:16 eythian well, it can't fall because the wind is keeping it up. 01:15 rangi hehe 01:15 rangi light rain 01:15 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (2:00 PM NZDT on March 05, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 01:15 rangi @wunder nzwn 01:11 dcook I think it's a paradox 01:10 pianohacker ... why does the designer of MARC have to be a lovely old lady 01:10 dcook But I feel your pain :) 01:09 dcook http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henriette_Avram 01:09 dcook pianohacker: I think she's dead 01:08 pianohacker Jesus christ. I could throw whoever designed the 006/008 fields off a very high bridge and watch them go *splat* with glee