IRC log for #koha, 2014-03-04

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00:08 dcook I suppose I should've mentioned I was popping out to the post office then :p
00:09 dcook Commenting more than complaining :p
00:16 papa I can make a couple of inappropriate statements to get the ball rolling
00:18 eythian well, out with it then!
00:20 dcook lol
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01:28 mtj hey #koha, does anyone here use an awesome FOSS diff-ing tool?
01:29 mtj i've just started looking for one... :)
01:29 dcook Don't know about FOSS, but I use vimdiff or Winmerge (depending on whether I'm on Linux or Windows)
01:30 mtj woo, thanks dcook  - i didnt spot vimdiff
01:32 dcook ashimema pointed that one out to me at Kohacon :)
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01:34 mtj i'm taking a peek at DiffMerge now… looks pretty nice too
01:35 dcook There's a few out there. I think Meld is another and Kdiff
01:36 mtj diffmerge not FOSS, afaict :/
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01:37 mtj i couldnt get those 2 to build last nite ... and got too sleepy.. :p
01:37 mtj will try again sometime, tho
01:40 mtj meh, bummer about diffmerge's license
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02:14 mayank I am importing records in koha from excel file.  I have converted data into marc format.  While importing records in koha if I select "Check for embeded item recod data" as Yes then it create mulitple items for book and save bar code.  If I select it to No then no bar code is imported for the book.  I only have one line per iteam.   What should I do to have one iteam and bar code assigned to book?
02:32 eythian mayank: you're probably making a new 952 for each item entry, and each 952 will become its own item.
02:32 eythian You need to make it so that all the fields for the item go into the same 952.
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03:41 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
03:41 * mtompset waves bye to eythian dcook mtj papa, etc. :)
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04:15 eythian while I don't have it completely finished yet, indexing on elasticsearch is hella fast.
04:16 mtj eythian, ooh that sounds sweet
04:16 eythian 21485 records indexed.
04:16 eythian real0m50.518s
04:16 eythian user0m22.264s
04:16 eythian sys0m4.284s
04:16 eythian that's going to a remote es server.
04:16 eythian (remote as in, elsewhere on our network)
04:18 eythian also some record rewriting going on to sanitise things (the test database I'm using has some ugly/wrong data in it, which makes it a good test case.)
04:22 eythian Looks like I could roughly double its speed with some careful multithreading, too. Another time though...
04:23 mtj impressive stats
04:24 mtj 420ish records a second
04:24 eythian yeah.
04:24 eythian I'm not sure how fast zebra is, but not that fast I suspect.
04:24 eythian well, it seems that the export process of rebuild_zebra is a big part of the slowdown. This doesn't really need that step.
04:25 mtj aah, ok
04:26 mtj hey eythian,  whats the minimum ram needed for an ES server?
04:26 mtj any rough idea?
04:27 eythian I dunno really, the server I'm using it on has 2GB and the ES process is using 21% of that, but I haven't attempted to tune it. I could give the process more ram and it'd probably be a bit faster.
04:27 eythian PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
04:27 eythian 23835 elastics  20   0 2435m 398m  46m S    1 20.9  13:56.65 java
04:28 mtj cool, thats way less than i expected
04:29 eythian keeping in mind that a production elasticsearch system pretty much must have three servers for reliability.
04:30 mtj hmm, why 3?
04:30 mtj i thought 2 max...
04:30 dcook Dang...that sounds awesome, eythian
04:31 eythian redundancy, but there are bad situations that can happen with two. i.e. where they get separated and go full split-brain thinking they're both master. If you have three or more, then this doesn't happen.
04:34 mtj a both master situ. sounds non-good :)
04:35 eythian yeah, exactly.
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04:47 mtj i am pretty excited about Koha running with ES
04:49 eythian yeah, I think it'll be quite nice once we get a complete mapping etc set up. Also a lot more forgiving than zebra.
04:51 dcook eythian++
04:51 dcook rangi++
04:51 dcook No pressure ;)
04:52 eythian :)
04:57 eythian OK, my indexer seems to be working fine now, which is nice. The next step is starting to implement the browse feature, which is the whole point of this. That can start tomorrow though.
04:58 eythian actually, I'll need to add item information into it at some stage too, but not immediately.
04:59 dcook \o/
04:59 dcook Or as I started typing...
04:59 dcook /o/ \o\ /o/
04:59 dcook That's dancing btw...
05:00 eythian bag: yo, if you check out the elastic_search branch now, there's a working indexer.
05:02 * eythian goes before the storm gets here.
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05:20 cait hi #koha
05:38 dcook eythian: Was cait the storm? :p
05:38 dcook hi cait :)
05:59 cait hi dcook
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07:40 reiveune hello
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07:48 * magnuse waves
07:48 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:48 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 6.1°C (8:48 AM CET on March 04, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady).
07:48 magnuse @wunder boo
07:48 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (8:20 AM CET on March 04, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
07:50 sophie_m hello magnuse
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08:06 * Oak waves
08:08 Oak question: RequestOnOpac  is set to "Allow", but I don't see "Place Hold" when viewing an individual title. Just "Print", "Add to your Cart" etc. I'm on 3.14.04.
08:12 magnuse Oak: what is  AllowOnShelfHolds set to?
08:12 magnuse and are the items you are looking at on loan or not?
08:12 Oak Aha!
08:12 Oak got it.
08:12 Oak Thank you!
08:13 magnuse my pleasure!
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08:15 Joubu hello
08:17 Oak hello Joubu
08:19 magnuse hiya Joubu
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08:47 huginn` GERMS!!!!
08:47 wahanui germs is
08:48 Oak morning cait
08:50 magnuse kia ora cait!
08:51 cait hi Oak and magnuse :)
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08:53 cait hi #koha
08:54 * magnuse wonders where cait is today
08:59 cait at work :)
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09:55 nlegrand hey #koha
10:00 magnuse hiya nlegrand
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11:02 alex_ Hi every one
11:04 alex_ i have a question about Koha, if u are free, please help!
11:08 alex_ In detail item page, there is some tabs (holding, comments,... ). HOw can i add one more tab like "download link", which shows MARC 300_6 field. (I have made this field clickable)
11:14 alex_ hi
11:14 wahanui bidet, alex_
11:15 alex_ :)
11:15 alex_ can u help me?
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11:26 mayank alex_: post your question directly
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11:56 cait alex_a: the tabs are for various functions and can not be customized
11:56 cait are you using MARC21 or UNIMARC?
11:56 cait a download link would be 856 I think
11:56 cait and then it will be displayed as a link and you can style it using CSS to pop out a bit more
11:57 cait ... and he is already gone and I am talking to noone *sigh*
11:57 ashimema alex_, cait is correct, those tabs are not 'meant' to be edited... though if your a jQuery wiz you can probably do it..
11:57 cait hey ashimema :)
11:57 ashimema though that'll have to be an exercise left to the experimenter ;)
11:57 cait the countdown is running :)
11:58 ashimema ack.. me too
11:58 ashimema indeed.. I've spent some of today improving my dev workflow (on the tablet )
11:58 cait ah so you are bringing the tablet? saving room in the hand luggage?
11:59 ashimema lol.. I don't actually own a laptop at the moment.
11:59 ashimema Desktop for main work, Tablet for remote work and a phone
11:59 ashimema I have to admit.. the tablet isn't perfect.. but actually it's surprisingly capable and improving all the time.
12:00 ashimema SGit for android has been a bit of a revelation
12:00 ashimema though I wish it was using a faster library.. JGit is just slow... libgit2 based apps always seem faster to me.
12:07 cait you are using a graphical git thing?
12:09 ashimema only on android.. I havent rooted the tablet.. so finding a git client at all is.. challenging.
12:09 ashimema I just use command line on the desktop at home..
12:09 ashimema though if they made sourcetree for linux.. i'de give that a go
12:10 cait ah
12:11 cait i think magnuse used an ssh client on my tablet when his laptop made problems
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12:37 magnuse cait: yeah, i probably did, but i was not very productive, i think...
12:38 * magnuse makes a note of bringing a bootable usb to the hackfest, just in case...
12:45 cait magnuse: oh :(
12:49 magnuse mainly because the keyboard of the weird german placing of the letters on the keyboard ;-) - but thanks for letting me borrow it anyways! :-)
12:50 cait the keyboard is totally normal.... :)
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12:53 oleonard Hi #koha
12:54 cait hi oleonard :)
12:58 magnuse cait: yeah, right ;-)
12:58 * magnuse waves to oleonard
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13:03 francharb hello
13:04 magnuse hiya francharb
13:05 magnuse @wunder marseille
13:05 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 11.6°C (2:05 PM CET on March 04, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 18%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
13:05 magnuse @wunder boo
13:05 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (1:50 PM CET on March 04, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
13:08 oleonard @wunder 45701
13:08 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Windy Ridge, Athens, Ohio is -12.7°C (8:08 AM EST on March 04, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -21.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 30.34 in 1027 hPa (Rising).
13:09 francharb @wunder montreal, qc
13:09 huginn` francharb: Error: No such location could be found.
13:09 francharb @wunder montreal
13:09 huginn` francharb: Error: No such location could be found.
13:09 * oleonard shakes his fist at winter
13:09 francharb nevermind
13:12 jwagner @wunder 20707
13:12 huginn` jwagner: The current temperature in McKnew, Burtonsville, Maryland is -10.2°C (8:05 AM EST on March 04, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: -15.0°C. Pressure: 30.44 in 1031 hPa (Steady).
13:13 cait @wunder Konstanz
13:13 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 4.0°C (2:00 PM CET on March 04, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
13:18 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
13:18 huginn` tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 21.8°C (10:15 AM ART on March 04, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
13:23 magnuse cordoba++
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13:57 mayank I am importing records in koha from excel file.  I have converted data into marc format.  While importing records in koha if I select "Check for embeded item recod data" as Yes then it create mulitple items for book and save bar code.  If I select it to No then no bar code is imported for the book.  I only have one line per iteam.   What should I do to have one iteam and bar code assigned to book? Sample data is available at
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14:22 smrt hi i was just wondering if there was anyway to stop the guarantor address from overwriting the patron address. i've googled and googled and searched through the admin options but i can't seem to find anything that will stop that from happening
14:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #451 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #451: SUCCESS in 13 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/451/
14:25 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update offline circulation docs
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14:28 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update offline circulation docs
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15:22 nlegrand ok, here is something about profiling with Devel::NYTProf:[…]th_Devel::NYTProf hope my english is not to broken and this will be useful :)
15:23 nlegrand and yes, the module is a module not yet distributed by the BULAC, I hope we will in the next months
15:23 nlegrand the example module I had trouble with and shown as a profiling example in the wiki page I mean
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15:27 cait nlegrand++ :)
15:28 nlegrand ^^
15:29 cait the module - stacks
15:29 cait can you tell somethiing about what it does?
15:30 cait we got libraries with closed stacks here, so that makes me curious :)
15:31 nlegrand we have close stacks too, it's permit patrons to requests a book in stacks
15:32 nlegrand with their koha accounts from the OPAC
15:32 cait aaah
15:32 nlegrand then we deliver the books, which can be consulted in the library or issued if possible
15:32 cait do you have prnters in the closed stacks? for the people who pull the items?
15:33 cait nlegrand: sounds very familiar so far :)
15:33 cait i think Germany and France are often quite similar - we also have inventory/accession numbers for example
15:33 nlegrand we have a desk that prints all stack requests
15:33 cait but you print them as well :)
15:33 nlegrand yep
15:34 cait here the biggest libraries have multiple printers/desks printing and often it's selected by callnumber.... which complicates things
15:34 nlegrand we print something for the ghost, and something to deliver to the patron
15:35 nlegrand cait: actually we do, rare books stack requests are separated from the others
15:35 cait the ghost? :)
15:35 nlegrand ouch, bad translation :)
15:35 nlegrand we put something in the stack at the book place when we take the book
15:36 nlegrand a dummy
15:36 nlegrand :)
15:37 nlegrand dummy seems to be the right english translation for "fantôme" :)
15:38 cait :)
15:38 cait thx for explaining, it sure sounds interesting :)
15:39 wajasu when i was doing a followup patch for bug 11573, i wondered what accession numbers were. and where they are stored in the schema/biblio/item?  so i did not add it to the fine description, but only the callnumber
15:39 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11573 new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , change description of charges in account fines
15:40 cait wajasu: I think having too much information in the description wouldn't make sense - better have less and a link to the item
15:41 gmcharlt +1
15:41 wajasu ok.  So should i add a "View Item" link?
15:42 cait i can't take a closer look at the bug right now
15:42 cait i think some of the charges do that, I would stick with what is consistent
15:43 wajasu the acount tab has a link. so i just thought maybe the "pay fines" tab could have one added too instead of adding every desired field besides callnumber.
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15:44 intx6x hi :)? anyone
15:44 intx6x how i can fix this error KohaAuthorisedValues: plugin not found at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 132. ;(
15:45 cait intx6x: are yo using translated templates? did you update your koha instance?
15:46 intx6x yes spanish
15:46 cait after every koha update
15:46 cait you have to recreate your templates
15:46 intx6x yes the error occurred after update
15:47 cait do what you did when you installed Spanish the first time
15:47 cait for packages you can use koha-translate, for a standard installation something like cd misc/translator, perl translate install es-ES
15:48 intx6x :) okay i will try
15:48 intx6x thanks (:
15:50 wajasu i was laying with the task scheduler which doesn't seem to work for me, and got it tweaked enough for it to run by my manual commandline launch.  but i think i need to figure out te user/permissions that the apache server runs atq.
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15:52 wajasu for staff client does anyone know the user that the apache daemon runs the web app code as?   is that in koha-httpd.conf or related config?
15:53 jcamins wajasu: it depends what mpm you are using, but if you're using itk (as is the default), it's specified in the Apache config file.
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15:54 wajasu ok.
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16:04 cait wajasu: maybe check bugzilla, there are old scheduler bugs with lots of discussion
16:05 wajasu ahh.  found the problem.  i added www-data, which was defined in /etc/apache2/envvars (APACHE_RUN_USER)  to the /etc/at.allow and no more permission problem.
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16:05 cait wajasu: iirc there were security concerns about making it work (permissions etc)
16:05 wajasu i can see that.
16:05 cait well making it wrk the way it's implemented now
16:07 wajasu i can patch it to get it working, and a scheduler rewrite can be done as a separate effort, as galen's comment mentioned.
16:10 jcamins For what it's worth, when I was RM I would not have considered a patch making the scheduler work as currently designed.
16:11 gmcharlt I don't think anybody would, nowaways
16:12 gmcharlt ironically, back when the Schedule::At implementation was pushed, there was actually more of a desire for Windows support for Koha server
16:12 gmcharlt which made it even sillier at the time
16:15 wajasu i think it will conflict with security these days.  if its broke, should we disable or hide it?  or do a rewrite.  poll  a table and such. and if we rewrite.
16:16 wajasu would they want roles/permissions for who can schedule, etc.
16:29 khall gmcharlt: you may want to weigh in on bug 11634, due to YASP ; )
16:29 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11634 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Allow renewal of item with unfilled holds if other available items can fill those holds
16:30 * cait waves at khall
16:30 khall g'day cait!
16:30 cait khall: sorry for missing the pref - from the discussion i thought it was missing
16:30 cait got a bit confused :)
16:30 oleonard edveal: Did you test Bug 11890 in multiple browsers and check that there is no custom JS involved?
16:30 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11890 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Control-Click/Command-Click to open a link in a new tab not consistently working
16:30 khall np! The discussion was whether to remove the pref or not ; )
16:30 khall oleonard: I did, and was able to confirm the bug
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16:31 khall no custom js. Have you been able to reproduce?
16:31 edveal thanks khall. you answers before I could. LOL
16:31 oleonard khall: No, but I might be misunderstanding the problem
16:31 oleonard Oh wait, yes. I was middle-clicking
16:32 khall bascially, on normal links you can middle-click the mouse or ctrl-click the link to open in a new page
16:32 khall I showed a friend how you could middle click a link to open it in a new tab, it blew his mind
16:33 oleonard khall: Party like it's 1999!
16:33 khall lol
16:33 oleonard It's gotta be a conflict with the next/previous browse javascript
16:37 oleonard Suddenly the next/previous browse bugs are appearing. Bug 11817
16:37 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11817 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Staff client next/previous browse JavaScript interferes with other JS functions
16:37 gmcharlt khall: *thud*
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16:56 rhcl @wunder 64507
16:56 huginn` rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -2.3°C (10:56 AM CST on March 04, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
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17:47 reiveune bye
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17:55 talljoy nope
17:57 magnuse down to 185 bugs need signoff - yay!
17:57 druthb talljoy:
17:58 talljoy lol
17:58 talljoy i need to keep that one.
17:58 talljoy i was wondering where my nope went!
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18:01 druthb
18:02 magnuse awww...
18:02 magnuse nope?
18:02 magnuse nope is
18:02 magnuse nope?
18:02 wahanui nope is
18:02 magnuse nope!
18:02 talljoy the cat is funny too!
18:02 druthb magnuse!
18:02 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
18:02 magnuse druthb!
18:02 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
18:02 druthb nope!
18:02 talljoy lol
18:04 druthb nope is also
18:04 wahanui okay, druthb.
18:04 druthb nope?
18:04 wahanui nope is
18:12 rhcl any community thoughts on the need for another Jenkins node?
18:18 cait rhcl: maybe wait for rangi? he might have an idea
18:19 rhcl yea, I'll ask again later
18:23 magnuse ooh, meeting in 23 hours 37 minutes
18:24 magnuse hm, is it time to start thinking about kohacon15 yet?
18:30 * magnuse adds it to the agenda
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18:49 magnuse ¡hola tcohen!
18:50 tcohen Hallo magnuse
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19:07 cait hola tcohen :)
19:07 tcohen hi cait
19:07 tcohen we're on carnival holiday still
19:08 cait magnuse: thx for the meeting reminder
19:08 cait :)
19:11 magnuse ooh, carnival holiday! how long is that, tcohen
19:11 magnuse ?
19:11 tcohen 2 days in argentina
19:12 tcohen i've been said the whole week in ecuador
19:12 tcohen and guess also brazil
19:13 cait hmm
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19:35 cait cat?
19:35 wahanui it has been said that cat is
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20:10 huginn` rhcl: rangi was last seen in #koha 23 hours, 7 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <rangi>[…]h-dbix-class.html
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20:40 rangi hi rhcl
20:40 rhcl hey rangi
20:40 rhcl any thoughts on the need for another Jenkins node?
20:41 rangi hmm, i think we are ok at the moment, but id check with gmcharlt
20:41 rhcl ack
20:41 rhcl @seen gmcharlt
20:41 huginn` rhcl: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 3 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> khall: *thud*
20:41 gmcharlt rhcl: actually, a Debian testing (Jessie) node would be great
20:42 gmcharlt as I know that there is some breakage (induced? exposed?) by Perl 5.18
20:43 pianohacker given is experimental at line everything
20:43 rhcl   ???
20:43 gmcharlt no,
20:43 gmcharlt i.e, if possible, a node that has the testing release of Debian on it
20:43 rhcl oh, that's pretty trivial
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20:45 rhcl deb on sun x86 OK?
20:48 wajasu i could kick off my koha vmbuilder script later.  just need to tweek the debian dist and repos, and see how it goes.
20:49 gmcharlt rhcl: that's fine
20:50 wajasu where is the lost item status kept inthe biblio?  in an item? 9??  for MARC21.  if we hidelostitems in results and want to adjust the total results count where should I test against?
20:50 wajasu looking in
20:51 wajasu dealing with bug 11489
20:51 cait wajasu: items.lost - and you can take a look at the koha-2-marc-mappings
20:51 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11489 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , OPAC search results in 404 error when the only search result is supressed
20:52 wajasu trying to address comment #19 findings
20:52 cait right, that would be my notes then ;)
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21:00 wizzyrea wajasu: you might check with mtompset I think he was working on that.
21:02 wajasu he was.  i was signing off his work.  i just made a followup patch in my local repo to get the result count correct.  so someone will have sign that one off.
21:03 wizzyrea oh cool
21:05 * oleonard waves to wizzyrea
21:11 wajasu cait: i subtracted the lostitemscount from total to get the results count correct. are withdrawn items hidden from the results? and should i adjust for that as well?
21:11 wajasu or just forget about withdrawn for now.
21:13 cait I think my problem was not relatd to the tcount
21:14 cait sorry, busy with something else right now
21:14 wizzyrea heya oleonard
21:14 wahanui i think oleonard is not really here.  He said so.  He did!
21:14 * oleonard waves goodbye to wizzyrea, and everyone
21:15 wajasu ok.
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