Time Nick Message
23:59 pianohacker dcook: This is the right hand of a keyboard kit I've been slowly soldering and assembling
23:59 dcook pianohacker: What is the project? I see bits and pieces here and there
23:58 wizzyrea apropos of your keyboard ... thing
23:58 wizzyrea ping cjh_ ^ see that link
23:58 pianohacker ooh, he a keyboard nerd too? (and is he coming to hackfest?)
23:57 wizzyrea pianohacker: you and cjh should talk about this project.
23:57 pianohacker The right hand has keycaps! https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1898192_10152298256073698_1058212689_n.jpg
23:54 dcook Also, Access...*shudder*
23:54 dcook :S
23:54 dcook As in you couldn't access certain functionality by short-cuts, menus, etc.
23:54 dcook I was using MS Access 2010 or 2013 yesterday and it's help menu actually said something along the lines of "Don't use this option or you won't be able to do X"
23:51 dcook engineer/doctor/lawyer/etc
23:51 dcook true true
23:51 wizzyrea but you're right! microsoft sucks!
23:51 wizzyrea well technically that's one of the signs that you're a good engineer, that you know which book to look in when you don't know :P
23:50 dcook You know Microsoft sucks when you have to Google how to do everything..
23:49 dcook It's not my computer so I can't really make that decision :p
23:49 dcook lol
23:49 * wizzyrea whispers "do... it...."
23:49 dcook I have a debian image and a blank dvd right there...
23:48 dcook hehe
23:44 trea and yet still true
23:44 wizzyrea :)
23:44 wizzyrea </snark>
23:44 wizzyrea start -> run -> cmd -> format c: -> insert linux cd -> reboot
23:43 * wizzyrea has an easy way to fix that
23:42 dcook I suppose I could use Thunderbird although not sure what options there are for shared calendars..
23:42 mtj some good friday scrollback peeps :p
23:42 dcook Yeah, our work machines are all Windows :/
23:41 rangi poor you
23:41 rangi you use outlook?
23:40 dcook I was wondering why it was quiet..
23:40 dcook Apparently my support emails are going to my junk mail as well. Nice one, Outlook.
23:40 dcook Hmm, getting warmer
23:38 huginn mtj: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 24.0°C (10:00 AM EST on March 07, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
23:38 mtj @wunder sydney, australia
23:32 dcook (Oh ElasticSearch...I yearn for you)
23:30 wizzyrea orbital took several years off, then came back with a really amazing album
23:30 pianohacker omfg my keycaps are here brbbbbbbbbb
23:29 wizzyrea the not-live version is probably on grooveshark somewhere
23:29 pianohacker cool! Thanks
23:29 wizzyrea :)
23:29 wizzyrea yep
23:29 pianohacker wizzyrea: wait, is this the same orbital of halcyon (and on and on) fame?
23:28 wizzyrea well you don't have to watch I reckon
23:28 pianohacker ah what a sell
23:28 wizzyrea pianohacker: if you are not sensitive to strobe lighting, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8QcwjdrTM8&feature=kp
23:26 dcook Finally coming around to Rave Tapes
23:26 dcook Current track: http://grooveshark.com/s/Blues+Hour/6HYABZ?src=5
23:26 pianohacker prog house allegedly but whatever
23:26 pianohacker Here, something a bit more trancey: https://soundcloud.com/blighters-1/oceanlab-feat-justine-suissa
23:25 dcook mellow
23:25 dcook Well, maybe not meandering...
23:25 * dcook goes back to his meandering post-rock for a bit.
23:24 dcook I bet they'll make a mint.
23:24 dcook It's genius though.
23:24 dcook Unfortunately yes
23:24 pianohacker dcook++ # for bravery
23:24 pianohacker dcook: Did you watch it all the way through?
23:24 dcook My brain actually hurts now
23:23 wizzyrea <3 wahanui
23:23 wahanui Get it yourself, wizzyrea.
23:23 wizzyrea get the popcorn
23:23 dcook pianohacker: That's perhaps one of the worst videos I've seen in quite some time
23:22 pianohacker sort of dude who would welcome a shy 17-year-old into a coding community :)
23:22 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
23:22 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #168: "gmcharlt: #koha is ALL the time" (added by chris_n at 09:01 PM, December 01, 2011)
23:22 wizzyrea @quote random
23:21 wizzyrea it's awesome
23:21 pianohacker some silly sappy dude
23:21 wizzyrea that guy, he's super idealistic.
23:21 rangi who wrote that
23:21 rangi what a bunch of hippy drivel
23:21 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #192: "sekjal: running on master is a great way to catch bugs... but then you have bugs." (added by wizzyrea at 04:02 PM, March 09, 2012)
23:21 wizzyrea @quote random
23:21 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the open, nothing is hidden so you can see what is going on at any time. [...] Koha grows through its strong and vibrant community, and the best users are the ones who invest the time in asking questions." (added by wizzyrea at 08:00 PM, April 14, 2011)
23:21 pianohacker wizzyrea: that hybrid video is interesting, I'm not sure what to think of that
23:21 wizzyrea @quote random
23:21 wizzyrea there we go.
23:21 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #300 added.
23:21 wizzyrea @quote add Pianohacker: there's that moment just a bit in where it goes from "*yawn* j-pop..." to "METAL DANCING KAWAII OF DOOM"
23:20 wizzyrea curses.
23:20 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
23:20 wizzyrea @quote add Pianohacker: there's that moment just a bit in where it goes from "*yawn* j-pop..." to "METAL DANCING KAWAII OF DOOM"
23:19 pianohacker there's that moment just a bit in where it goes from "*yawn* j-pop..." to "METAL DANCING KAWAII OF DOOM"
23:19 dcook 30 seconds in and I thought it would be much worse
23:19 dcook wizzyrea: So true
23:18 dcook wth...
23:18 wizzyrea it's not as terrible as it seems like it should be
23:18 * dcook takes a deep breath and clicks
23:18 dcook I'm a little bit terrified
23:18 pianohacker dcook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88hU078nUQs
23:17 dcook Nopes
23:17 pianohacker ... have you watched the video?
23:17 dcook Partially, I'm not sure if I actually do want to know...
23:17 dcook pianohacker: So what is the deal there? I haven't brought myself to reading about it yet
23:17 dcook record.abs*
23:17 * dcook glares at the commented out 035 in records.abs
23:17 dcook Err, indexing config rather..
23:16 dcook ...is because you forget to mod the index again after your initial test.
23:16 dcook I love/hate that moment when you finally figure out the reason your program isn't working the way you think it should be working...
23:16 rangi heh
23:16 pianohacker wtf is going on with babymetal
22:54 pianohacker ahh I'd forgotten how good this medicine remix was, the original is way too downtempo
22:53 dcook Oh wow there's more after the song
22:53 eythian dcook: that video was pretty great
22:53 pianohacker wizzyrea++
22:52 wizzyrea pianohacker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xptIEkCHTZ4
22:52 dcook You folks are neat
22:51 dcook I really need to cross the ditch sometime
22:49 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moTXALu7BrI <--shaky camera angle, but you get the idea
22:49 dcook Wha?
22:49 dcook another Norwegian export apparently: http://grooveshark.com/s/The+Fairy+Tale/2CI41o?src=5
22:48 wizzyrea ^.^
22:48 rangi best opening keynote ever
22:48 rangi kiwicon last year was opened with a metal band
22:48 eythian rangi: I accidentally had two of those links playing at the same time about 0.2 seconds out, it sounds a lot better like that.
22:48 pianohacker oh damn this feel the fire mix is goooood
22:48 wizzyrea l. o. l.
22:48 eythian heh
22:48 rangi eythian: imagine them opening kiwicon :)
22:47 dcook I still have yet to read that article..
22:47 rangi looks hella fun
22:47 wizzyrea hehehe
22:46 rangi id totally go to a babymetal concert
22:46 dcook hehe
22:46 dcook rangi, wizzyrea: digging both daughter remixxes
22:46 wizzyrea ah music day in #koha, I have missed it.
22:46 * wizzyrea has not listened but will
22:46 pianohacker sweet :)
22:46 dcook pianohacker: I've only listened to a few songs, but I've liked 'em
22:45 pianohacker derp
22:45 pianohacker oh that wasn't a typo, the band CHVRCHES
22:45 wizzyrea it's me, I admit.
22:45 wahanui hmmm... something is sketchy
22:45 wizzyrea or something.
22:45 wizzyrea because they have darkness in their souls because long dark winters.
22:45 eythian err ^-- pianohacker rather
22:45 pianohacker rangi++
22:45 eythian dcook: Norway's major export: black metal.
22:45 pianohacker dammit
22:45 pianohacker good stuff
22:45 huginn pianohacker: downloading the Perl source
22:45 rangi you can blame eythian for that one
22:45 pianohacker @rangi++
22:44 wizzyrea https://soundcloud.com/soundremedy/wolf-alice-leaving-you-soundremedy
22:44 rangi pianohacker: and the last link for today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88hU078nUQs
22:44 pianohacker I really like the london grammar remix, really nice vocal/dubsteppy mix
22:43 dcook eythian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZGa40Hl4zI
22:43 wahanui rumour has it Norway is beautiful
22:43 pianohacker eythian: Norway?
22:43 * dcook fetches a link for eythian
22:43 rangi dcook: i might also ambush people .. warning
22:42 eythian Norway's music scene has opinions on chvrches too...
22:42 dcook Oh, we drove her away
22:42 wizzyrea I like the stuff that mixes progressive trance and dubstep
22:42 rangi not after what happened last time
22:42 dcook ^
22:42 pianohacker any love for chvrches?
22:42 * wizzyrea is not super keen on ear bleeding dubstep
22:41 rangi dcook: https://soundcloud.com/12thfloor/daughter-youth-love-thy <-- maybe more your speed
22:41 dcook I especially like "Strawberries and Razorblades" from Stargazers
22:41 wizzyrea oh that feel the fire one is quite good
22:41 dcook Friend of mine here in Sydney: https://soundcloud.com/jamesflamestar
22:41 rangi hehe
22:41 wizzyrea LIEs.
22:41 dcook I probably need to file some paperwork for it though...
22:41 dcook I'm not born here though, so I might get an exemption
22:41 dcook lol
22:40 rangi one for dcook, you cant live in australia and not worship kylie
22:40 rangi https://soundcloud.com/escort-agency/kylie-minogue-slow-sleng-teng <-- for example
22:40 wizzyrea actually most of the sound remedy stuff I like quite well.
22:40 rangi i listen to almost any random remix
22:39 rangi course i dont just listen to dubstep
22:39 dcook Saw them play back in February
22:39 dcook She's super nervous on stage
22:39 wizzyrea ^ I happen to find that remix *amazing*
22:39 dcook wizzyrea++
22:37 wizzyrea dcook: sometimes the things go together: https://soundcloud.com/soundremedy/daughter-medicine-sound-remedyyy
22:37 rangi the drop is pretty epic, and it takes a long time to get there
22:36 rangi https://soundcloud.com/dubstep/feel-the-fire-saturn-by-sgt
22:36 * pianohacker is listening to links now
22:36 dcook But...I wear new clothes and sensible glasses..
22:36 wizzyrea it's one of my favourite games.
22:36 * wizzyrea gears up for the "can rangi find the music" game
22:36 * dcook wonders if he is the hipster of #koha...
22:35 rangi dubstep you says
22:35 wizzyrea rangi really covers the dubstep better than I do
22:35 rangi https://soundcloud.com/a-tribe-called-red
22:35 wizzyrea that is probably less dub than trance
22:34 rangi but a tribe called red are cool
22:34 wizzyrea https://soundcloud.com/soundremedy/wasting-my-young-years-sound < is what I was listening to before headless chickens.
22:34 rangi pianohacker: https://soundcloud.com/a-tribe-called-red/01-a-tribe-called-red-braves (not trance at all)
22:34 wizzyrea after about 3 days of winter.
22:34 wizzyrea it's the most summery day out there, and it's fracking autumn.
22:33 wizzyrea there should totally be a bbq going.
22:33 eythian even if there's no BBQ going :)
22:33 rangi pianohacker: https://soundcloud.com/stinkahbell/stinkahbell-stinkahz-in-paris
22:33 wizzyrea I like it :)
22:33 eythian good for a sunny Friday
22:33 tcohen night #koha
22:33 eythian wizzyrea: not metal at all, 90's NZ music.
22:32 pianohacker ... could I trouble you for some links, oh miss who I have an unexpected shared interest with?
22:31 wizzyrea ... yes
22:31 pianohacker wizzyrea: ... you listen to dub trance? :D
22:30 wizzyrea oh that is less metal than I expected.
22:30 * wizzyrea pauses her dub-trance
22:30 eythian http://youtu.be/GUBosuLLUvQ <-- wizzyrea, start here
22:29 wizzyrea O.o
22:29 rangi :)
22:29 * eythian just google musics "headless chickens", and hits "radio". That'll do for the next hour or two.
22:22 eythian http://conferencecall.biz/
22:17 eythian http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=2587
22:15 wizzyrea yes, just like that :)
22:15 mtompset http://youtu.be/qtFBRJFN3p8 (Frank Sinatra, wizzyrea)
22:14 rangi for some wellington sounds
22:13 rangi eythian: https://soundcloud.com/kowtow-music/03-nature-of-man
22:11 rhcl I've attended a couple of these: http://www.milb.com/index.jsp?sid=t440
22:11 bag I used to go to the beehive in new britian ct all the time
22:10 bag rhcl I have attended minor league games
22:10 dcook O_o
22:10 dcook I...
22:10 wizzyrea snicker.
22:10 wahanui rumour has it dcook is missing part of that original link due to a smiley face that comes up in dcook's IRC client
22:10 wizzyrea dcook?
22:10 cait i haven't had heard of it either, but it seems to be common in UK
22:10 dcook Err, wondering
22:09 rhcl bag: ever attend any minor league games? season will be starting soon
22:09 dcook eythian: That's a good question.
22:09 wizzyrea I never had any libraries that did that
22:09 wizzyrea cait: err, I can see the utility of that.
22:08 bag YAY!
22:08 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL
22:08 bag bag?
22:08 * eythian wonders what would make good work music for today.
22:08 dcook wizzyrea: Ahhh.
22:07 cait wizzyrea: is 11897 a thing in US?
22:07 wizzyrea just that if I drank that much coffee I'd have enough power to jitter my way to the moon.
22:06 cait rangi: was thinking of those especially: http://www.cafepress.com/mahara/9960700
22:06 dcook wizzyrea: I have no idea what you just said, but it sounds frightening?
22:06 wizzyrea :P
22:06 wizzyrea so I use it for pens.
22:06 cait i was afraid it would be
22:06 wizzyrea the caffienated beverage of my choice in that would make me fly to the moon.
22:06 dcook ^
22:06 wizzyrea it's humongous
22:05 cait wonder how expensive shipping would be
22:05 wizzyrea I have one of those :)
22:05 cait git commited to koha :)
22:05 rangi http://www.cafepress.com/mf/34235117/koha_mugs?productId=298433291 too
22:04 rangi http://www.cafepress.com/mf/74770368/koha_mugs?productId=751374936
22:03 rangi http://www.cafepress.com/mahara/9943875
22:03 magnuse wow, that would be expensive for a tshirt even in norway
22:03 cait we should have nice koha stuff!
22:03 rangi it really is
22:03 rangi yeah
22:03 cait rangi: the mahara stuff is really nice too
22:02 dcook I was just thinking that, rangi :p
22:02 rangi not the price, i cant afford 33.95 for a tshirt, but the design is nice :)
22:02 rangi http://www.zazzle.com/basic_black_evergreen_shirt-235591693917266452 <--- nice
22:01 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 22.0°C (8:30 AM EST on March 07, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
22:01 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
22:00 dcook ^
22:00 eythian it's been better here since yesterday or so
22:00 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (10:30 AM NZDT on March 07, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
22:00 eythian @wunder nzwn
21:59 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.7°C (10:55 PM CET on March 06, 2014). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
21:59 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:58 eythian it was quite fortunate.
21:58 eythian I managed to get mine done on the last fine day that was then followed by 4 days of rain and wind.
21:58 cait or lucky you :)
21:58 magnuse cait: lucky you ;-)
21:58 cait but leaving on Sunday, have a bit more time :)
21:57 cait I still need to do laundry...
21:57 cait rangi: yummy
21:57 magnuse oops, still no packing done and we leave for marseille early on saturday
21:57 cait magnuse: hmpf :)
21:56 magnuse kia ora irma!
21:56 magnuse eythian: mohahahaha
21:56 rangi i got schoko bang, which is zarbitter mit chili
21:55 eythian it'll be like raw herring or something.
21:55 * magnuse will manage to do that ;-)
21:55 cait http://www.ritter-sport.de/#/de_DE/waldenbuch
21:54 cait quite hard to find something that's not available all over europe
21:54 cait i think you can't get all flavours there a tleast...
21:54 cait i will probably bring some to france
21:53 eythian ah right
21:53 cait eythian: iirc they are close to stuttgart, where we had the workshop
21:53 eythian heh, where's it actually from?
21:53 cait eythian: actually you were much closer here to th ehome of ritter sport than in berlin :)
21:52 cait the put ads on stairs, it's quite nice sometimes
21:52 wajasu all color coded!
21:51 cait i really like ritter sport
21:51 wizzyrea europe generally.
21:51 wizzyrea honestly must get to germany one day.
21:51 wizzyrea wowie
21:50 eythian https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=ritter+sport+berlin&client=ubuntu&hs=AW2&channel=fs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=me0YU9jwPIqwkAXAs4DADQ&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAg&biw=1918&bih=1012 <-- that is actually what it looks like inside. It's pretty cool.
21:49 wizzyrea well there were a couple kinds in there.
21:49 wizzyrea yes it was!
21:49 eythian wizzyrea: it was also joghurt ritter that I gave you when I came back, IIRC :)
21:48 wizzyrea well that was freudian.
21:48 eythian Alas, no :)
21:48 wizzyrea mine is joghurt ritter, which, joghurt is what happens to me when I job
21:48 eythian She had some Ritter Sport, but I brought back ~1kg of that from Berlin, so I took the Milka instead.
21:48 cait and she didn't bring some boring but consistent beer for you? :)
21:47 cait cool, wha tkind? :)
21:47 eythian cait: kristina just gave us big blocks of German chocolate :)
21:45 eythian That's what I'd expect. Whether it does that, I don't know...
21:44 wajasu i'm in the prog theme
21:43 wajasu does anyone know how the "refine your search" Availabiliy should work? if i have 2 books, both marked as lost, should the biblio inthe results be hidden when one sees "Limit to currently available items" ?
21:38 cait something you can plug in easily maybe
21:37 cait yeah... but everyone wants covers
21:37 rangi not something you can solve by a general thing in koha
21:37 rangi yes
21:36 cait it's all terribly complicated :(
21:36 cait but there exists some kind of contract negotiated by one of the library associations to cover that
21:36 cait because there is copyright on covers
21:35 cait not only the service provider terms need to be considered I think
21:35 cait for example in order for it to be legal for a library here to display covers
21:35 rangi yep
21:35 cait yeah
21:35 tcohen you have to do it in-house and take responsibility
21:35 cait maybe the plugin idea is not a bad one
21:35 rangi if people muck it up
21:34 rangi yep, im just saying it opens the project up for getting sued
21:34 cait there was an article in a big newspaper here about a university library catalog using amazon for covers
21:34 rangi so its not as simple as making them all fetch it has to be a case by case thing,and you want actual lawyers to read the T&C
21:34 wahanui i heard data privacy was an important topic for us
21:34 cait data privacy...
21:33 rangi which is ok, amazon, you cant do it at all
21:33 cait because it started with that kind of discussion
21:33 rangi google you cant keep longer thanthe headers allow
21:33 cait i think the german provider really allows that
21:33 rangi only some API define a time
21:33 cait hm ok, don't fetch for a longer time
21:33 rangi thats the point
21:33 rangi you are caching
21:33 rangi if you fetch, then return it to the browser
21:32 rangi you are caching
21:32 cait i don#t want to cache really
21:32 rangi if the client fetches, it's their problem
21:32 rangi and make sure you comply, cos its now your problem
21:32 rangi when you cache content, (like you do if the server fetches it) you have to read really carefully all the terms of service
21:31 cait so what tcohen said, should be plugins
21:31 cait so just the other way around
21:31 cait but only isbn13
21:31 cait I think the problem i ran into was that the german provier doesn't do isbn10 at all
21:30 cait wizzyrea: yeah found a few too
21:29 wizzyrea http://www.amazon.com/The-Future-Mind-Scientific-Understand/dp/038553082X/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1394141256&sr=1-3 THis book is brand new, it has both.
21:29 rangi for amazon at least
21:29 cait i really need to add that german service we have now :(
21:29 rangi yes
21:28 cait rangi: you have to have the client get the picture?
21:28 cait wizzyrea: they seemto have lot of isbn10 around... but actually you shouldn't be able to have an isbn10 for every isbn13
21:28 rangi cait: thats against T&c
21:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=906 enhancement, P2, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , ISBN Check
21:28 tcohen bug 906
21:28 cait also have the server get the image
21:28 cait tcohen: woiuld love that
21:27 rangi they dont really care
21:27 tcohen no, not that one
21:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=706 minor, P2, ---, henridamien, CLOSED FIXED, newbasket2.pl search results page has no 'previous' link
21:27 rangi amazon have their own numbering scheme
21:27 tcohen and close bug 706 of course :-P
21:26 rangi yep
21:26 tcohen as far as I can tell we should move all that external cover libs into template plugins, and make them adjust the ISBN's to whatever each service needs
21:26 cait every new book
21:26 wizzyrea cait - do you have an example 13 that has no 10 in Amazon?
21:25 wajasu maybe if none found, try isbn13
21:25 tcohen cait: i've been there, but my work didn't have feedback and I left it
21:25 rangi until they go back and backfill, which i cant imagine them doing anytime fast
21:24 rangi it is for most of their catalogue
21:24 wizzyrea that would be wicked.
21:24 cait or you would never get covers for new books
21:24 cait i think that might not be true any longer
21:24 rangi thats cos amazon only recognises 10
21:23 wizzyrea it isn't if they dont :/
21:23 wizzyrea it is if amazon recognises isbn13
21:23 cait which is... kinda backwards
21:23 cait in 3.12 there is code that normalizes to isbn10
21:23 cait tcohen: if you start looking at the cover code anyway... could you please tell it to use isbn13?
21:22 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
21:22 tcohen @later tell oleonard I need to ask you about the GetMarcISBN code, it should look just like GetMarcISSN but it doesn't
21:20 eythian hi
21:15 cait ?
21:14 mtompset Looks like the blou ping system has timed out. :(
21:12 wizzyrea sensel. Like tinsel, but with sense!
21:12 cait i can tell you more after next week :)
21:12 wizzyrea sense.
21:12 wizzyrea that makes a lot more sensel
21:12 cait nle...
21:12 cait i think legrand is from france
21:11 wizzyrea nlegrand, that is not the same thing as nlengard. Wow that's a letter mixup, sorry!
21:11 wizzyrea (I think?)
21:11 wizzyrea she's still here, nlengard?
21:09 mveron :-)
21:09 mtompset DOH! I forgot to ask nengard a question.
21:09 mtompset mveron: Good day (24 hour period) :)
21:09 mveron Oh, it's late... Good night everybody :-)
21:08 wajasu sent/set/
21:08 wajasu when the marc record item status is sent to "Lost". does the itemlost in the item table get syncronized?
21:06 mveron took
21:06 * mveron ...tok a lot of the easy ones...
21:05 mtompset Yes, particularly with the more detailed ones.
21:05 mveron Sign off is a good way to learn a lot about koha :-)
21:05 cait mveron++ :)
21:04 mveron :-)
21:04 mtompset mveron++ # for number of sign offs.
21:03 mtompset mveron: Thanks for bumping me into 5th. :(
20:59 wizzyrea yep yw
20:57 tcohen thanks liz
20:55 wizzyrea periodicals and DVD's are hard to get covers for.
20:55 wizzyrea afaik, (and according to the code) we don't use ISSN - you can do a local cover for those
20:55 tcohen was asking just in case I missed something
20:54 tcohen reading the code I find that we don't
20:54 wizzyrea unless you have an example
20:54 wizzyrea I don't think we are, I've only observed isbn
20:53 tcohen I don't see how are we showing covers based on ISSN
20:53 tcohen is anyone used to the cover fetching codE?
20:46 cait :)
20:45 wizzyrea Oh you can batch edit items from the detail screen! THat's awesome! or Patron lists! That's awesome!
20:45 wizzyrea I find, at least once a week, a new feature that delights me.
20:44 cait in a good direction
20:44 cait but actually lots of things move :)
20:44 cait my theory is that we don't notice the good change often, we are too close to see
20:44 cait yeah
20:44 wajasu test plans are awesome. at least it gives context for where to go even if minimal.
20:43 wizzyrea ^ room for improvement but HEAPS and HEAPS better than it used to be
20:43 cait also test plans
20:43 cait wizzyrea: true :)
20:42 wizzyrea \o/
20:42 wizzyrea super good work everybody.
20:42 wizzyrea can I just say, I really love how consistent people are about putting bug numbers on their commits these days.
20:41 wajasu are facets, the box to the left (Availability, Auhtors, Libraries ...) ?
20:41 * mveron Hates bugs found by customers :-)
20:38 * tcohen hates finding bugs
20:28 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update fund restriction with note
20:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.14.x build #25: SUCCESS in 12 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.14.x/25/
20:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #25 for job Koha_Docs_3.14.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:28 cjh_ rhcl: morning, you rang?
20:28 druthb that was a VMS-based text-terminal system, and you had "screens" you called up with stuff like SIS009 and such.
20:27 jcamins A Fellow of the Royal Society was involved?!?
20:27 druthb they had an FRS and an HRS and some other goodies too
20:26 druthb There was an older system called SIS, too, by …. Z-systems, I think.
20:26 mveron tcohen: Thanks. :-)
20:25 jcamins [off] SAP, SIS, both are better described with a four-letter word starting with 'S'.
20:25 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update fund restriction with note
20:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #452: SUCCESS in 16 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/452/
20:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #452 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:25 tcohen mveron: i can take a look tomorrow
20:25 druthb I'm told that it's not too outrageous to develop against. I did an interface between Banner and a Symphony box to pass billing along.
20:25 jcamins druthb: yes, SIS. That's what I was thinking of.
20:24 pianohacker guess what my university uses, and I am trying to interface with for a scheduling app I inherited?
20:24 druthb ?
20:24 druthb http://www.ellucian.com/student-information-system/
20:24 rhcl ?
20:24 pianohacker [off] son of a BITCH
20:24 druthb yeah, that's them.
20:23 druthb Now owned by Ellucian.
20:23 pianohacker druthb: Wait, hold on. Now supported by Ellucian?
20:23 druthb SCT Banner. That's the one.
20:23 wajasu i was playing with java with apache camel message gateway to koha via a STOMP message protocol so that koha could call java services on an ESB. such as Solr, ElasticSearch, payment gateways, etc
20:22 rangi mveron: tcohen is probably the best to talk to about that
20:22 rangi ah right
20:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11906 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Bad display of utf-8 chars in Patron lists (Datatable)
20:22 mveron I'm looking for a pattern on how to fix Bug 11906 - Bad display of utf-8 chars in Patron lists (Datatable)
20:21 druthb The university I was at had a system they just *loved*—on paper. In operation, it sucked rocks.
20:21 rangi and costs about 7 houses
20:21 rangi which is utter shite
20:20 rangi is peoplesoft
20:20 rangi the other pile of crap
20:20 rangi it works about as well as you would expect
20:20 rangi they throw it banking, academic institutes
20:20 rangi SAP does everything
20:19 tcohen [off] Ole is also awful BTW
20:19 druthb I'm hunting for it...sec
20:19 jcamins druthb: I thought that was SAP, too.
20:19 druthb no, SAP is more manufacturing based…there's another one that is University centric, does classes, grades, all kinds of things *except* ILS
20:18 tcohen instead of having a harcoded one
20:18 jcamins pianohacker: ::snrrrk::
20:18 tcohen it seems to have something we lack of, which is the posibility to define custom workflows
20:18 pianohacker oh, they'll be fine. We've proven that Tomcat isn't at all a barrier to deployment
20:18 jcamins druthb: wajasu thought of it. SAP.
20:18 druthb jcamins, I know the one you're talking about, but can't think of the name...
20:18 rhcl all those modules you're talking about are on the download page: https://www.kuali.org/download
20:17 tcohen of the ILS component
20:17 tcohen I've seen the interface
20:17 wajasu accounting, etc
20:17 cait it's more thought to be a management software for the whole university
20:17 cait i think the financial part is rice
20:17 cait kuali has different software
20:17 jcamins tcohen: no, I don't mean that it uses Oracle, I meant that it provides SAP-like functionality.
20:16 tcohen + MySQL
20:16 tcohen jcamins: Java + Tomcat
20:16 jcamins rhcl: oh, looks like they have it available now.
20:16 mveron Hi #Koha
20:16 cait at least that's what i am told :)
20:16 cait jcamins: for what it odes we don't
20:15 jcamins wajasu: that's it.
20:15 jcamins That really, really big one that enterprises use.
20:15 wajasu SAP?
20:15 barton druthb: http://all-sorts.org/nouns/geeks
20:15 jcamins No, not ERM.
20:15 * tcohen is not sure it is Oracle dependent
20:15 cait Electronic resource management
20:15 rhcl source code seems to be available here: https://www.kuali.org/download
20:15 cait ERM
20:14 jcamins For HR.
20:14 jcamins I can't think of what it's called.
20:14 jcamins tcohen: it replaces that giant Oracle program.
20:14 tcohen what does Ole perform in that we don't? file repository + ILS?
20:14 rhcl well, I don't know of course, but surely it must be somewhere to have an approved OS license
20:13 jcamins rhcl: I'd be a lot more impressed by that fact if there were actual source available. Last time I looked, there wasn't.
20:13 tcohen [off] fork it?
20:13 cait [off] the license is not the only thing... if you have the software and can't give back, what will you do?
20:13 rhcl "Kuali software is available, without fee, for anyone to use or modify under the Educational Community License."
20:13 druthb As I told someone from there at code4lib a couple years ago, "it's so huge that there are only about a dozen universities in the world that'll be capable of using it."
20:12 rhcl the license seems to be OSI approved open source
20:12 druthb it's also so enormous that it requires a herd of geeks to keep it happy. LOTS of moving parts.
20:12 jcamins rangi: I'd say it's almost open source, anyway.
20:12 cait [off] is has a membership model - you pay to decide
20:12 cait [off] it's developed by one company so far... i am not sure how open it will be to contributions
20:11 rangi not free software
20:11 tcohen no community
20:11 rangi id say its open source
20:11 rangi of a sort
20:11 rangi :)
20:11 tcohen isn't OLe free software?
20:10 * pianohacker needs to finish his keyboard so he can type
20:10 pianohacker *big something
20:09 pianohacker but definitely a good something
20:09 pianohacker maybe a good something
20:09 bag we = something with koha that could recieve that money and put it to good use (not a for-profit) :)
20:09 rangi it'll be a big something
20:09 pianohacker augh
20:09 rangi its java
20:08 pianohacker any bets on whether it'll be a good something?
20:08 rangi we do
20:08 bag man we need to start writing grants
20:08 rangi yup
20:08 pianohacker 40 developers at $100,000 for a year? You could make a lot of something with that
20:08 wajasu i'm trying to reconcile hiddenitems, lostitems, etc with optional biblio results display, and auto details redirect, whilst being concerned about 9 pound babies.
20:07 jcamins rangi: I know!
20:07 rangi thats a crap ton of money
20:07 rangi With this latest grant, IU has now received more than $4 million from Mellon for the OLE project.
20:07 rangi oh i lie
20:07 rangi 3.1 sorry
20:06 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=18995
20:06 pianohacker ?
20:06 rangi ole is at 3.3 million now
20:05 rangi zomg
20:05 * pianohacker wants a turn at that chopping block
20:05 rangi luckily its not much longer for this world
20:04 * wajasu Search getRecords is a real piece of work.
19:47 mtompset Indeed. Looking forward to watching those needs sign offs dropping drastically. :)
19:45 cait we'll miss you
19:43 * khall wishes everyone a great hackfest in marseille!
19:42 khall that's a pretty big baby!
19:42 * magnuse wanders off to start packing for marseille
19:42 rangi kahu was 3.04 kg, and atarau was 4.24kg
19:39 rangi fair enough!
19:35 khall indeed!
19:34 magnuse heh, 4 kilos, eh?
19:34 khall I think it's scaring my wife! She's totally changed her mind about avoiding a c-section ; )
19:33 rangi oh yeah that is a big baby
19:32 khall full of anticipation
19:32 cait how is kyle? :)
19:31 cait tired? :)
19:31 khall how's cait today?
19:31 cait :)
19:30 khall She's gonna be a big baby, 9+ pounds, so they don't want to wait too long ; )
19:29 khall We've got an appointment on Monday. They'll decide then if we should think about getting her induced
19:29 khall Tomorrow is the official due date, but so far there's no indication anything is going to happen
19:28 khall not quite yet ; )
19:28 khall et al
19:28 rangi morning khall :) are you a dad yet?
19:27 khall good mornin rangi!
19:25 rangi morning
18:13 cait thx :)
18:13 magnuse cait: done
18:12 magnuse rangi++
18:11 cait magnuse: i added it to the hackfest doc - on a new tab - add your name/time as a reminder maybe?
18:11 cait just try to be there ok? :)
18:10 pianohacker beer coffee? I've had coffee beer
18:10 magnuse kewl
18:10 cait just have a beer/coffee somewhere close or walk down to the harbour or so
18:09 cait because some people can#t make it it seems
18:09 cait magnuse: i have been thinking about returning to the spot at 7
18:09 cait rangi++
18:09 magnuse so i'll just catch up if i can, don't wait for me
18:08 magnuse but i'll have to stay in until 19:00, and it all depends on the little'un
18:08 magnuse i *might* join you for dinner on sunday, if you'll let me
18:08 cait tsk :)
18:02 pianohacker Yes, haven't gotten a chance to read yet
18:00 cait did you see my mail about dinner on sunday?
18:00 cait hi pianohacker
18:00 pianohacker hi guys
17:59 mtompset Greetings, pianohacker.
17:59 rhcl hi pianohacker
17:59 pianohacker Hi
17:58 rhcl I'd think the fishing would be great.
17:57 rhcl If I read the stats correctly, they pay the top 90% of wages for this job title. Wonder what life on an oil rig in the Gulf is like?
17:56 rhcl I need a new job. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (US) I should be a sysadmin for an oil company.
17:54 huginn rhcl: cjh was last seen in #koha 6 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 42 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <cjh> heh
17:54 rhcl @seen cjh
17:53 cait she has a new job too
17:53 huginn rhcl: Space_Librarian was last seen in #koha 1 year, 7 weeks, 5 days, 19 hours, 9 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <Space_Librarian> lol. good one.
17:53 rhcl @seen Space_Librarian
17:52 huginn rhcl: ricardo was last seen in #koha 3 years, 4 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 44 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <ricardo> thd: With NICKSERV commands :) Write /nickserv help register
17:52 rhcl @seen ricardo
17:33 cait it's a mediawiki... it has every reason to
17:32 bag hey
17:32 druthb hi, bag! :)
17:32 * barton notices that the wiki is glaring back at cait.
17:31 * druthb chuckles.
17:31 * cait glares a little
17:31 cait editing druthb's on her request
17:30 barton salty lime jello? 8-P
17:29 mtompset cool gun, bag.
17:26 * bag needs one of these http://bugasalt.com/ to hit the skittles as they fly this way
17:25 * druthb has skittles.
17:25 rhcl druthb is still listed as ByWater. \\Where are all them skittles that fell on the floor when you need some ammo?\\
17:18 nengard country added to mine
17:17 huginn rhcl: I have not seen rch.
17:17 rhcl @seen rch
17:16 rhcl I also note (and just updated my own listing) that the non-US people tend to list their country code, and nearly all the US people fail to do so. - FWIW
17:15 rhcl maybe there should be a way to mark list members as "inactive" if they haven't been on channel for a year or two.
17:14 barton cait: 'gratzi' == 'thank you' in Italian.
17:13 cait barton: huh? :)
17:13 nengard sad
17:13 barton cait: gratzi!
17:13 nengard :(
17:13 huginn bag: sekjal was last seen in #koha 43 weeks, 6 days, 3 hours, 43 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <sekjal> our camera was put up late this year; the eggs were already there when we installed
17:13 bag @seen sekjal
17:13 nengard not a big deal as i see it - those people might still come in channel an then at least we know who they are :)
17:13 cait barton: confirmed:)
17:13 nengard hehe
17:12 barton (come back! come back!)
17:12 barton nengard: yes. In fact there are a number of people listed as bywater employees who are no longer...
17:11 cait give me a sec
17:11 barton cait: yes... as a matter of fact, your post was mere milliseconds after I clicked 'submit' :-)\
17:11 nengard some job titles are wrong too ...
17:11 oleonard No more hdl, libsysguy, sekjal...
17:10 cait barton: do you need confirmation for your wiki account?
17:10 oleonard On the other hand, some on that list are no longer regulars
17:09 oleonard And if anyone else here is a regular but not on that list please add yourselves!
17:09 reiveune bye
17:08 barton oleonard: I'm just registering for a wiki login so that I can do that :-)
17:07 oleonard And you can add yourself barton :)
17:03 barton wajasu: Thanks! Very good to know.
16:55 wajasu barton: this may help http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
16:52 barton Hey, I'm just curious: who else in #koha does tech support for Koha as their primary job?
16:49 gaetan_B bye!
16:29 cait sorry, have to run:) post office closes in half an hour
16:27 cait not sure about the databases - I hear less about it as that is separate from the ILS
16:27 cait the ebooks are very popular
16:26 rhcl cait: would you say that the springer databases are popular in Europe? http://link.springer.com/
16:22 cait Joubu++ for taking on the oldest open bug :)
16:20 cait but i will sure need this at some point
16:20 cait oleonard++
16:19 cait oleonard: we are still on 3.12.. just arrive dther eto be honest with all of them
16:19 gmcharlt oleonard++
16:19 cait oh cool
16:19 oleonard I posted an intro to the new Bootstrap theme on my Koha blog: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/new-opac-theme-bootstrap/
16:11 oleonard Anyone know of a library which is running the new bootstrap opac theme in production?
16:05 cait nope it looks alright :)
16:05 dbs cait++
16:05 dbs cait: right, mostly I wanted to ensure that I didn't inadvertently set something that kept it from being visible in a "to sign-off / to QA" kind of queue :)
15:58 gaetan_B hi AmitG, long time no see!
15:58 AmitG gaetan_B around?
15:58 AmitG all
15:58 wahanui bonjour, AmitG
15:58 AmitG hi
15:52 cait hi dbs - it still needs a sign off, maybe that will happen next week at the hackfest
15:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dan, Needs Signoff , Improve RDFa schema.org mappings in prog and bootstrap
15:52 * dbs would like to ensure that the settings for bug 11786 are correct for getting said fixes into master and 3.14 (specifically targeting 3.14 as the version)
15:47 fridolin bye
14:59 cait ithink it's a bit trial and error currently
14:58 cait hm not really
14:41 Viktor Is there any cheat sheet for what those codes are suppose to contain? http://manual.koha-community.org/3.14/en/notices.html#noticemarkup keeps it to a quite general level.
14:37 Viktor I'll do that then cait - thanks! Just wanted to know if I misunderstood this first.
14:36 cait Viktor: it doesn't sound right
14:35 cait Viktor: maybe file a bug as a first step?
14:35 cait we don't use the print notices :(
14:35 Viktor cait: problem is of course that people will go to the wrong branch.
14:35 cait i wonder if one of the settings would influence it
14:35 Viktor cait: Hm. We don't use email much as of yet. But when we print the messages for different branches this happens when a book is borrowed from another branch.
14:34 mtompset Still not so strong in that regard. :(
14:33 wahanui somebody said mtompset was catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
14:33 rhcl hey mtompset
14:33 cait Viktor: hm if you compare to the emails, is it the same there or only for the print?
14:30 Viktor Btw - a HOLD_PRINT notice problem: <<branches.branchname>> and other values under <<branches. >> seems to collect the branch that owns a copy instead of the branch where the patron can collect the copy. Is this expected or did we just mess things up?
14:27 mtompset Greetings, rhcl. :)
14:27 * mtompset waves at Viktor and magnuse in an attempt to get a wave going around the room. ;)
14:24 * Viktor waves back at magnuse
14:23 * magnuse waves to Viktor
14:18 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -3.9°C (8:18 AM CST on March 06, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
14:18 rhcl @wunder 64507
13:55 oleonard Okay marcelr I'll take a look
13:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9032 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Share a list
13:55 marcelr oleonard: Your suggestions on the last patch of bug 9032 are welcome (creating and modifying bootstrap template; no css changes at least from me..) Thx
13:46 magnuse lol
13:42 mtompset magnuse++ #intravenous caffeine. YES! Too much blood in my caffeine stream. ;)
13:42 marcelr especially if you did not even search for them ;)
13:42 mtompset marcelr: It's easy to not find duplicates some times. :)
13:40 * cait sends cookies to magnuse
13:40 oleonard Don't forget chocolate!
13:40 marcelr mtompset: did not see your patch for IsSuperLibrarian
13:39 magnuse maybe some kind of intravenous...
13:39 magnuse ah, that is true! :-)
13:39 mtompset I said caffeine. That includes colas, teas, or any other form of caffeine. :)
13:36 magnuse oleonard: yeah, if i close my eyes i see "raining" green numbers
13:36 * magnuse does not drink coffee, but definitely needs more sleep
13:32 oleonard Just a glitch in the Matrix magnuse
13:31 mtompset magnuse: Either more caffeine or more sleep are probably in order. :)
13:30 tcohen morning mtompset magnuse #koha
13:28 magnuse not a good sign...
13:28 magnuse i completely forgot i wrote that the first time...
13:28 magnuse gah
13:27 * magnuse has taken the liberty of creating http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Developers_IRC_Meeting,_March_12_2014
13:25 mtompset magnuse++ # for thinking ahead. :)
13:24 mtompset Greetings, tcohen.
13:22 jcamins Which is probably about thirty versions behind.
13:22 mtompset Same here, jcamins. Though, I have patched some of the other things.
13:22 jcamins But it's FF 26.
13:22 jcamins Works on FF under Ubuntu 12.04 for me.
13:21 * magnuse has taken the liberty of creating http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Developers_IRC_Meeting,_March_12_2014 - please feel free to edit
13:21 mtompset Well, sometimes Ubuntu libraries aren't as current as Debian ones.
13:21 jcamins It doesn't seem to be, because I didn't change my 700 field.
13:21 gaetan_B i don't see why this would be os dependent though
13:21 oleonard Works for me with FF and Chrome in my Ubuntu VM
13:21 gaetan_B i'm on ubuntu
13:21 gaetan_B i also have it in chromium
13:20 mtompset I tried FF 27.0.1 -- couldn't reproduce. I'm using Windows 7.
13:20 oleonard Data-dependent?
13:20 mtompset Couldn't reproduce.
13:20 mtompset I just tried IE 11.
13:19 gaetan_B i have the bug in ff 27
13:18 jcamins Works on FF.
13:18 jcamins I'll test on FF.
13:17 oleonard I'm testing on master, FF and Chrome on Windows 7.
13:17 mtompset Which version of Koha? What OS?
13:16 mtompset Neither can I, oleonard.
13:16 * oleonard still can't reproduce
13:14 kivilahtio is there a third way ? :)
13:14 mtompset I don't get that problem.
13:14 kivilahtio any ideas why there are two different codebases for adding items (cataloguing->additem.pl and acquisitions->neworder|empty|subscription|suggestion...) ?
13:13 gaetan_B i'll leave it to you for now though, i'm in the middle of a training ;)
13:12 * mtompset grumbles about the default enhancement setting in bugzilla.
13:12 gaetan_B i probably do
13:12 jcamins oleonard: http://screencast.com/t/o2zXFrBNJhtY
13:12 gaetan_B i didn't check
13:12 gaetan_B hmm not an enh though
13:12 mtompset Do you get any javascript errors, gaetan_B?
13:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11898 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , the js accordion when editing marc frameworks is broken for the t tab
13:12 gaetan_B bug 11898
13:11 gaetan_B ok i'll save the bug then
13:11 jcamins I am now on latest master and I'm still seeing it.
13:11 gaetan_B i have a very slow connection here and can't update my instance to a really fresh master unfortunately
13:10 jcamins I'll check on latest master.
13:10 oleonard I guess I'm not seeing it jcamins
13:09 mtompset Greetings, oleonard jcamins #koha -- Viktor. :) -- Goes to check log files. This conversation might be interesting. :)
13:09 Viktor Greetings!
13:08 jcamins Click on "Advanced constraints" on the t tab.
13:08 oleonard Simply opening the 't' tab gets you broken accordion? Or do you have to do something else?
13:07 jcamins Masterish, anyway.
13:07 gaetan_B jcamins: did you reproduce it in master
13:02 gaetan_B ok i'll open a bug on bugzilla then
13:01 jcamins 700
13:01 oleonard What's something with a t?
13:00 * jcamins can reproduce.
13:00 jcamins Wow, that's a funny bug.
13:00 gaetan_B if you try to edit constraints for a t subfield, you end up with just the headers for each section, and they won't open again
12:59 gaetan_B :)
12:59 gaetan_B i just want to make sure it's not just with me
12:59 gaetan_B i found this one while looking up bugzilla, but this seems to be another, new, bug
12:58 magnuse ah, sorry, i was thinking about another problem :-)
12:58 gaetan_B nope
12:58 gaetan_B the js accordion gets stuck on subfields t, did you notice it before ?
12:58 magnuse gaetan_B: with memcached on?
12:58 gaetan_B there's a problem in the admin with marc frameworks
12:57 gaetan_B hi oleonard
12:52 magnuse hiya oleonard
12:51 oleonard Hi #koha
10:53 cait TT can do it even, the old template system was not as nice
10:53 cait i think for the one you found that bit would not be hard to fix
10:49 paxed also that there's only one fraction after the decimal mark...
10:48 cait but i know other library software that can't do that
10:48 cait ... i agree that it would be nicer to have a decimal comma then a decimal point
10:48 cait it was coded for the currency formatting expected in english speaking countries and how it works for computrs
10:43 paxed i'm just surprised that a program that actually handles currency wasn't coded with currency formatting in the first place.
10:41 cait i'd love if we had a plugin like for date formatting to take care of it
10:41 cait because noone got around to do it yet
10:41 paxed why not FORMAT ALL CURRENCY</meme>
10:41 cait paxed: i think it's only a display problem there tho - looks like it will give sums for each tax rate , this is the sum for all with 10%
10:40 cait paxed: there are several bugs related to gst and calculation in bugzilla, also there were some questions from galen on the mailinglist some time ago, rying to figure out people's expectations
10:38 paxed +r
10:38 paxed basket shows gste total rather weidly: http://bilious.alt.org/~paxed/kohabasket_sillyvalue.png
10:02 magnuse bonjour fridolin
09:49 fridolin hie all
09:43 HB Hey koha a question about field 008 if i want to change a book to continuing resource on that field it wont do that (afther i save its back the old thing again) anny tips ?
09:20 magnuse Oak
09:12 Oak okay.
09:12 Oak stop talking now Oak.
09:11 Oak because otherwise i miss some.
09:11 Oak should just use 'hi everyone' actually. hm.
09:10 Oak Bonjour alex_a, Joubu
09:10 Oak guten morgen cait
09:10 Oak magnuse
08:32 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded.
08:32 ashimema @later tell tcohen you called?
08:17 cait magnuse: that's more like ti!
08:16 magnuse woohoo, look at that: http://www.yr.no/place/France/Provence-Alpes-C%C3%B4te_d%E2%80%99Azur/Marseille/long.html
08:15 magnuse "Realtor, CABRIES" does not quite sound like "marseille", though?
08:12 huginn cait: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 3.4°C (9:12 AM CET on March 06, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
08:12 cait @wunder Marseille
08:04 wahanui niihau, Joubu
08:04 Joubu hello
08:02 alex_a bonjour
07:57 magnuse hællæ!
07:55 laurence helle magnuse
07:54 reiveune salut marcelr :)
07:53 marcelr hi magnuse reiveune
07:53 reiveune salut magnuse
07:53 magnuse hiya laurence reiveune marcelr
07:43 marcelr hi #koha
07:37 reiveune hello
07:34 cait bbl :)
07:33 cait hm marseille has to catch up to my packing plans
07:32 magnuse hah!
07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:20 AM CET on March 06, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
07:32 magnuse @wunder boo
07:32 magnuse hah, i think i can top that
07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 1.6°C (8:32 AM CET on March 06, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
07:32 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:24 * magnuse waves
07:14 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha.
07:14 mtompset See you later today, perhaps. :)
07:13 wajasu game over. for me as well. got a lead on something. will look into it tomorrow.
07:13 mtompset I'm not quite in the right frame of mind to discuss searching. Sorry.
07:13 mtompset It's 2:12AM...
07:07 wajasu i think i know what's needed.
06:54 wajasu are you on the verge of greatness with what you are debugging? or can you resume discussing the search behavior for lost/hidden items.
06:45 mtompset No. I just forgot how to trigger the first way, and I found the second way first. ;)
06:42 wajasu nice. u trigger happy?
06:41 mtompset Woo hoo! Found another way to trigger the same error. :)
06:09 mtompset perl guesses the context wrong!
06:08 mtompset That's the problem.
06:07 mtompset "If no matching subfields are found, undef is returned in a scalar context and an empty list in a list context."
06:00 mtompset Well, maybe it isn't undef? It definitely is the hemain line, like I suspected.
05:57 mtompset And the first letter is assumed to be the one to build from.
05:57 mtompset We have 180$x, not a 180$v.
05:57 mtompset It's 180.
05:57 mtompset but it isn't 162.
05:56 mtompset eythian: It's a non-existent field error. It seems that blah => undef is causing the problem.
05:50 wajasu cool
05:45 mtompset found the busted authority record that generates our odd hash error.
05:45 mtompset YAY! I am thankful that WGET was timestamping. :)
05:42 wajasu KABOOM
05:42 mtompset bad news... don't know which authority number did it.
05:42 mtompset woo hoo! triggered the error...
05:39 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (6:30 PM NZDT on March 06, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
05:39 eythian @wunder nzwn
05:11 mtompset let's try again. :) It's only 2700ish seconds.
05:07 mtompset I guess it didn't like that for loop. ;)
04:56 dcook ^
04:55 eythian it would be handier if it were well documented.
04:55 dcook eythian: That would be handy
04:54 dcook Albert Markovski: Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about.
04:54 dcook Vivian Jaffe: Have you ever transcended space and time?
04:54 dcook For the logs...
04:53 eythian it's intended to be an interface between user input and whatever search engine you're using
04:53 dcook ^
04:53 dcook http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp0vr1n25u4
04:53 eythian heh
04:53 dcook What is QueryBuilder?
04:52 dcook Wait, not QueryBuilder
04:52 dcook eythian: I used to have a vague idea
04:42 mtompset Okay... figured out a way to trigger the BuildSummary function. Now running through all our authority data. Hopefully the data point that triggered the error that got me looking at 11797 happens.
04:41 eythian that sucks when you want to implement something that matches the same pattern.
04:40 mtompset Not likely, is my guess.
04:40 * mtompset laughs.
04:35 * eythian wonders if there's any documentation for how the QueryBuilder is supposed to work around anywhere.
04:23 Oak hello mtompset :)
04:12 bag awesome eythian
04:08 mtompset Hi, Oak.
04:08 mtompset Something like that, eythian. :)
04:03 wahanui okay, eythian.
04:03 eythian no wahanui, patch is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/bfHvGkj.jpg
04:03 wahanui ...but patch is pretty old now, good luck...
04:03 eythian wahanui: patch is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/bfHvGkj.jpg
04:03 eythian err
04:02 eythian wajasu: patch is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/bfHvGkj.jpg
03:55 * Oak waves
03:46 eythian bag: I now have a very preliminary "title starts with" type search working. Now it'll be easier to do the rest.
03:42 mtompset oh! It assumes the 880 is only linked to 4xx or 5xx fields!
03:40 mtompset That 880 code is rather... convoluted and strange.
03:39 eythian never assume
03:36 mtompset 880$w?! WHAT?! How do we even know 'w' is used?
03:32 mtompset well, I think the term => blah is pushed out in a way that it used by koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/includes/opac-authorities.inc
03:29 mtompset 880 is a weird field. Trying to understand it.
03:22 eythian I bet it doesn't
03:13 mtompset I don't get how that code even works!
03:13 mtompset Oops 880.
03:12 mtompset It's the weird one line reference in the middle of a 6.. foreach.
03:09 eythian But, it's the only other reference to subfields_to_report in the file
03:09 eythian I can't talk in line numbers as I have a different version checked out.
03:09 rangi yep just the usual
03:08 mtompset Oh... someone not reading the manual?
03:07 mtompset Oops, I meant *sigh* not sign.
03:07 mtompset "but, you'll have to deal with the spurious reference to it a few lines below all this."
03:06 eythian huh?
03:06 mtompset Ewwww! 1130? Is that what you were talking about eythian?
03:04 mtompset What's the sign for, rangi?
02:53 eythian http://instagram.com/p/lL1K4xGmvZ/ <-- OBEY HOLLYWOOD
02:48 rangi *sigh*
02:41 mtompset well, on goes the chauffeur hat. I'll be back.
02:41 eythian but, you'll have to deal with the spurious reference to it a few lines below all this.
02:40 eythian so you did
02:40 eythian oh right
02:40 mtompset That's what I said, but used blah. :P
02:40 eythian my $subfields_to_report;
02:40 eythian foreach my $field ($record->field('1..')) {
02:40 eythian becomes
02:40 eythian foreach my $field ($record->field('1..')) {
02:40 eythian my $subfields_to_report;
02:40 eythian no
02:39 mtompset foreach ... { my blah; ... }?
02:39 eythian well, right now it's outside the foreach.
02:39 mtompset moving it into the foreach?
02:39 eythian it's valid to have an undef in a hashref, so that's maybe not the source of your "odd number of items" thing.
02:38 eythian and fixing the weird reference to it later in the function.
02:38 mtompset oh... undef.
02:38 eythian mtompset: by moving it into the foreach
02:38 eythian mtompset: but what does it return in this case?
02:38 mtompset how?
02:38 eythian Scope everything as tight as possible.
02:38 mtompset That's what I believe 'u' is... non-existent.
02:37 eythian I'd scope it tighter.
02:37 eythian err.
02:37 mtompset eythian: And how would you scope the variable differently?
02:37 eythian mtompset: and what does it return if you ask it for a subfield that doesn't exist?
02:37 tcohen night mtompset
02:36 mtompset good night, tcohen.
02:36 eythian later
02:36 tcohen night #koha, thanks for the help eythian
02:36 mtompset actually, if the field doesn't exist, I think the $field->subfield('u') would return '';
02:35 eythian as it stands, it's got a fair bit of code-smell
02:35 eythian that doesn't matter.
02:35 eythian it's still assuming that the data it's looking over is correct, which is invariably a bad idea.
02:35 mtompset but the list needs to be comprehensive.
02:35 mtompset Yes, that is true.
02:34 eythian e.g. if I make a record with only 'u' fields, that'll break this
02:34 mtompset no, because the second 'else' uses 'a'.
02:34 eythian because if you get no output from it, you're still going to have issues.
02:33 eythian the report should be done, and then that should be tested.
02:33 eythian Never depend on having particular fields or subfields in marc
02:33 mtompset which is why I put else.
02:33 eythian it does matter if an empty list is returned.
02:33 eythian oh
02:33 eythian yeah, but it doesn't matter if there's no 'v'
02:32 eythian because it fixes a bad smell.
02:32 mtompset but there is no 'v' for a 162.
02:32 eythian the point is more that having it scoped properly is the best fix
02:32 mtompset and then '162' wouldn't change it.
02:32 mtompset because the 180 would set the variable to 'v....'
02:32 eythian and what is "1049"?
02:32 mtompset which is why I gave the scenario.
02:31 eythian never rely on order in MARC
02:31 mtompset And that could be possible if 180, etc. came before a 162.
02:31 eythian I think that the best way to fix it is to move $subfields_to_report into the foreach, fix the reference to it near the end of the function (which makes no sense), and I have no opinion on 162 because I know nothing about it.
02:30 mtompset if the first letter does not exist in the key.
02:30 mtompset 1049...
02:28 eythian Maybe if $field was undefined.
02:28 eythian ok, $subfield_to_report is badly scoped, but I can't see how that would ever get an odd number of elements.
02:26 eythian your else condition looks fishy given the if right below it, or is it doing something like not emptying out the variable, in which case it should be properly scoped?
02:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11797 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , auth_finder.pl: Odd number of elements in anonymous hash
02:24 mtompset eythian, anyone? Any idea on how to trigger a case for bug 11797? I'm pretty sure this will fix it, but I don't know how to trigger it.
02:10 mtompset eythian: Nope. I'm a computer person, not a history buff.
02:10 eythian don't you know your history, mtompset?
02:10 eythian via French, from an 1580's Italian comedy character "Pantaloun" who wore tight trousers over skinny legs. Originally San Pantaleone, the name coming from Greek and meaning "all compassionate"
02:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11830 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Document disk space requirements for git install on Ubuntu
02:09 mtompset I was wondering who might be able to help get a tweak to http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ as per bug 11830's discussion. Or if perhaps, there's a better solution still?
02:08 mtompset Haven't thought that out, eythian. :P
02:08 eythian mtompset: pantaloons
02:07 rangi https://twitter.com/ricep0d/status/441385077193183232/photo/1
02:07 rangi hmm without the w
02:06 rangi whttps://twitter.com/ricep0d/status/441385077193183232/photo/1
02:06 mtompset wizzyrea: Are you the one to talk to about tweaking a www.koha-community.org page?
02:04 mtompset [off] Actually on a bizarre side comment about pants. I figured out why underwear is called pants. Think about the feminine panties.
02:01 * tcohen is looking for it, thanks jcamins!
02:00 jcamins tcohen: base2stay.
01:51 dcook Good one, rangi
01:48 rangi http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/pants
01:47 eythian http://www.reddit.com/r/thatpicofnzfromspace
01:47 dcook Damned polysemy
01:47 dcook Perhaps that's a third meaning?
01:47 dcook It made me wonder about wizzyrea and co saying stuff is 'pants' :p
01:47 eythian usually identifiable from the context, or being specific :)
01:46 tcohen heh
01:46 eythian tcohen: in NZ English, it's ambiguous.
01:46 rangi normally call them underpants
01:46 dcook I should probably clarify before I keep talking about pants...
01:46 * dcook isn't sure about that one
01:46 dcook tcohen: But yeah I think Brits/Aussies/Kiwis might call underwear pants?
01:45 dcook I think aquÃ, pulpo, corazón, cerveza...might be the only words I know outside numbers
01:45 rangi https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQNIJsuNk7SVkP8XugBcliXfeWw0SG0vxWCzlHhmQIg4Q3eCOo82g
01:43 dcook Yeah, I should've used my charmap
01:43 tcohen spelled "aquÃ"
01:43 tcohen accented i
01:42 dcook acqui = here (I believe)
01:42 tcohen "¿donde estan mis calzones?"
01:42 tcohen eythian: pants == underwear?
01:42 rangi yep
01:42 tcohen ham-ón
01:41 rangi but i always have an urge to pronounce jamon as if i was michael jackson
01:40 rangi jamon and huevo
01:40 rangi i can always remember ham and eggs
01:40 rangi that does look good
01:40 rangi ohh
01:40 tcohen the taste of lomitos in Cordoba is awesome
01:39 eythian "where are my pants"
01:39 tcohen -> http://www.betos.com.ar/
01:39 tcohen "quiero un lomito"
01:39 tcohen i can teach you a few
01:39 tcohen heh
01:39 rangi 'where is your hotel?' "the boys eat bread"
01:38 rangi 'what would you like to eat?" "the boys eat bread"
01:38 rangi i figure i can get by telling argentinians that boys eat bread
01:38 rangi thats about all i can remember from duolingo
01:38 rangi Los niños comen pan
01:35 tcohen heh, i took a train at the airport, that combined with the subway took me to roland-garros
01:34 dcook Roland-garros?
01:34 dcook That's so exciting!
01:34 tcohen i've only been to madrid, barcelona and roland-garros actually
01:34 tcohen no dcook, first timer!
01:33 dcook Have you been before, tcohen?
01:33 tcohen d*mn sleepers
01:33 dcook Hmm, not working hard enough then!
01:33 rangi so i doubt it
01:33 rangi its about 2.30am
01:32 tcohen ashimema: around?
01:32 dcook You really did!
01:32 tcohen i performed in the motorbikes, i recall
01:31 tcohen heh
01:30 dcook Also tcohen is just awesome in the arcade :p
01:30 dcook I don't know why, but everytime I think about a few of you folks, I think of Pirate Pizza and beer
01:30 dcook I think he lives in/just outside of London?
01:30 dcook Perhaps ashimema might have some ideas?
01:26 tcohen dcook: indeed!
01:25 dcook London is a tough one :/
01:24 dcook That...was a great video. Go, Scott Ludlam.
01:21 tcohen just as if the Holiday Inn costs the same
01:21 tcohen they all seem quite small and expensive
01:20 tcohen beggining march 23
01:20 tcohen we're going to several places
01:19 dcook tcohen: Ah, I had the feeling that might be the case! Exciting! When do you go?
01:19 tcohen dcook: yes! one of our honeymoon places
01:12 dcook (dcook likes actual feminists)
01:12 dcook For non-Australians: the dude is quite the misogynist.
01:11 dcook Just nothing to be gained by consuming that media
01:11 dcook I can't bring myself to read the publications where he claims to be a feminist
01:10 dcook That's the tagline that I've seen so far :)
01:10 rangi “Prime Minister, you are welcome to take your heartless, racist exploitation of people’s fears and ram it as far from Western Australia as your taxpayer-funded travel entitlements can take you,â€
01:10 rangi this bit is my fave
01:10 dcook rangi: I keep meaning to watch that...
01:09 rangi dcook: http://junkee.com/tony-abbott-slammed-by-greens-senator-in-jaw-dropping-speech-of-the-year-we-want-our-country-back/30146 <=== awesome
01:09 dcook I've only stayed at hostels in London (other than a hotel once years ago as a student)
01:09 eythian there're also too many hotels in London for a useful recommendation :) I've only stayed at two, one was good because it was a week for free (a friend was the housekeeper/barmaid) and the other was just overnight.
01:08 dcook Going to London, tcohen?
01:06 rangi pulls up all the deals, and has reviews
01:06 * dcook perks up
01:06 rangi yeah, trivago.com is quite handy too
01:04 eythian I've generally found that sort of thing reliable.
01:04 eythian Look at the reviews on e.g. booking.com
00:53 tcohen decent hotel in london? for a couple?
00:37 mtompset I think the teacher double talk word for it is... gifted. ;)
00:34 wizzyrea yep, it's special
00:32 eythian it is a bit of a heavyweight process.
00:31 mtompset Okay. I think I understand. Frankly, acquisitions is a horribly ugly process for a person who has never tried it before.
00:28 wizzyrea I think there are people who use acquisitions but don't use it to catalogue as well, though that might be a mad scheme.
00:27 wizzyrea you can catalogue an item without going through acquisitions.
00:27 wizzyrea but they are not dependent
00:27 wizzyrea cataloguing an item is part of the acquisitions workflow, yes
00:25 mtompset (inside the acquisitions section)
00:24 mtompset But doesn't receiving an acquisition actually catalog it?
00:22 wizzyrea if that makes sense
00:22 eythian mtompset: acquisitions is acquiring, cataloguing is cataloguing.
00:22 wizzyrea mtompset: acquisitions handles money and records of what has been ordered and from whom, cataloguing is the last step of that.
00:17 talljoy yo mtompset
00:17 mtompset Greetings, talljoy.