IRC log for #koha, 2013-10-01

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00:00 dcook ?
00:00 dcook[…]ools/richsnippets
00:00 jcamins Yeah.
00:01 jcamins Cool, eh?
00:01 jcamins You'll need to try it on recent master.
00:02 jcamins[…]lionumber%3D24433
00:03 dcook Courtesy of master XSLTs?
00:03 jcamins Yeah.
00:03 dcook Sweet
00:03 rangi dcook: courtesy of dan scott
00:03 dcook I would've killed for RDFa on some government sites a few months ago
00:03 dcook Well, maybe not killed...
00:03 dcook Good one, dan scott. Wherever you are!
00:04 jcamins dbs++
00:04 rangi dcook: its dbs, in here :)
00:04 dcook dbs++
00:05 dcook Progress is awesome
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00:06 dcook Has that made it into a release or is just in master?
00:06 rangi it will be in 3.14
00:07 rangi im not sure if it got picked back
00:07 dcook bug 6594
00:07 rangi @query rdfa
00:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6594 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add microdata
00:07 huginn rangi: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6594 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add microdata
00:07 rangi :)
00:07 dcook Doesn't look like it, but that's pretty cool
00:07 dcook Hmm, I like your way better ;)
00:44 jeff gmcharlt++ esi++
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00:54 jcamins jeff: what did they do this time?
00:56 jeff made a customer happy. :-)
00:59 wizzyrea i hope that means he's gotten out his weed wacker and fought his way out of the weeds.
00:59 wizzyrea whacker?
00:59 wizzyrea yes. that.
00:59 wahanui yes. that is probably what we are doing now. if we have more patrons then it becomes tough.
01:00 eythian Wacken is a place in Germany with a huge annual metal festival.
01:00 wizzyrea suppose that gives a different meaning to weed wacken
01:01 eythian Metal != Reggae
01:01 * wizzyrea tries to remember what the chemical alteration substance of choice is for metalheads.
01:01 wizzyrea beer?
01:01 wahanui i guess beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy.
01:02 wizzyrea that it is.
01:02 dcook Yeah, I think it's beer
01:03 wizzyrea beer wacken sounds less funny.
01:03 dcook wine wacken?
01:03 * dcook pictures metalheads in tuxes holding wine glasses
01:07 * dcook notes that the time is only 11am in Sydney..
02:02 rangi @query overdrive
02:02 huginn rangi: Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10846 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Add preference for naming OverDrive collection
02:02 huginn rangi: Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10879 normal, P5 - low, ---, pianohacker, NEW , OverDrive should check for OverDriveLibraryID before performing search
02:02 huginn rangi: Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search
02:02 huginn rangi: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9252 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add option to send patron's home branch in AF field
02:02 huginn rangi: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9531 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Make SIP2 message terminator configurable via SIPconfig.xml
02:16 wizzyrea we are retiring ccsr in favor of bootstrap soon eh?
02:17 dcook Oh? That didn't seem very long lived
02:17 wizzyrea the bootstrap one looks pretty much just like it
02:17 wizzyrea and is responsive in the same way
02:17 wizzyrea just wondering if I should be fixing bugs
02:17 wizzyrea in ccsr
02:17 wizzyrea such as "opacnavright messes up login box in ccsr"
02:19 jcamins wizzyrea: if you're patching it for the customer's staging server yes, otherwise, meh.
02:20 wizzyrea meh it is.
02:20 jcamins Heh.
02:21 wizzyrea actually most of the new nav preferences are messed up in ccsr.
02:21 wizzyrea right nav and bottom nav
02:21 wizzyrea but I think ok in bootstrap
02:21 wizzyrea well I know ok in bootstrap
02:23 dbs dcook: glad that the RDFa makes you happy; also, the LoC mirrors at happen to be mine too :)
02:29 dcook dbs: I put two and two together after a little bit of perusing ;)
02:29 dcook Good work with both :)
02:31 * jeff grins
02:31 jeff dbs++
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03:11 rambutan @seen jcamins
03:11 huginn rambutan: jcamins was last seen in #koha 50 minutes and 54 seconds ago: <jcamins> Heh.
03:11 jcamins rambutan: I'll be leaving in a few minutes, but what's up?
03:11 rambutan @later tell jcamins Somehow when I'm logged on at home it holds the nick even after it's been kicked.
03:11 huginn rambutan: The operation succeeded.
03:12 jcamins Ah.
03:12 rambutan that'
03:12 rambutan s all
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04:00 wizzyrea hey um. for new theme development, if one were going to do that, what version of IE would we want to support (lowest)
04:02 * dcook would suggest 7
04:03 dcook I think some people still use 6 but they're quite rare
04:03 dcook I think 7 is becomingn you might be able to get away with 8
04:03 dcook But I've had enough people complain about 7 to say 7 :p
04:08 mtompset I can't get my data reindexed. GRRRRRR.
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04:18 * Oak waves
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04:59 dcook mtompset: Still having issues?
04:59 * dcook waves to Oak and ebegin
04:59 mtompset dcook: Yes.
04:59 dcook What's up?
05:00 dcook I know you were mentioning it the other day, but does Zebra croak?
05:01 Oak Ahoy dcook
05:01 Oak hello mtompset
05:01 mtompset zebra isn't croaked.
05:02 dcook So at what stage isn't it reindexing?
05:04 mtompset okay... reboot server.
05:04 mtompset so everything is running properly.
05:04 mtompset ps aux | grep zebra
05:04 mtompset looks good.
05:04 mtompset try the full reindex.
05:04 mtompset it barfs.
05:04 mtompset so only partial reindex is done.
05:05 mtompset so then I use bug 6566
05:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6566 enhancement, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, CLOSED FIXED, Checking if DB records are properly indexed
05:05 mtompset to insert records into the zebra queue.
05:05 mtompset -- which worked in the past.
05:05 mtompset (on a smaller data set)
05:05 mtompset I had to do a few passes to complete, but it worked.
05:06 mtompset basically called the script -c -z, sleep 360, and then loop again. manually break when it doesn't add any more.
05:06 mtompset NOW...
05:06 mtompset larger data set.
05:07 mtompset 512MB of ram with no swap space.
05:07 mtompset I got the data in... painfully long to do.
05:07 mtompset via mysqldump.
05:07 mtompset Ran the full reindex properly.
05:07 mtompset koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f library
05:08 mtompset barfs (as expected)
05:08 mtompset turns out the system is killing the process.
05:08 mtompset can't remember what that is called, but linux has a way of detecting something that is going to result in massive deadlock and it auto kills it.
05:09 mtompset I suspect with a larger data set, even this script's zebra queue method is hitting that same problem.
05:10 mtompset because it adds about 13K more records, but then has been looping doing the same amount over and over.
05:10 mtompset So I have a partial reindex, but not full.
05:10 mtompset -- hello, Oak. :)
05:11 mtompset And I am hoping that my library colleagues will agree to moving the hosting from our painful 512MB VM to a much nicer 1GB VM elsewhere for less money. :)
05:11 mtompset Thankfully, this is the QA system.
05:20 mtompset The problem is... there is no log that clearly states consistently, "Processed killed" or anything like that. :(
05:22 mtompset Is there a way to dump the zebraqueue?
05:22 mtompset I mean empty?
05:41 * magnuse waves
05:43 magnuse DELETE FROM zebraqueue;?
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05:49 * Oak waves back
05:49 * Oak hugs cait
05:49 Oak here, have some cookies.
05:49 cait oh hi Oak :)
05:49 Oak :)
05:49 cait thank you
05:49 Oak welcome
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05:55 dcook @karma windows8
05:55 huginn dcook: Karma for "windows8" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
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05:56 huginn dcook: Karma for "windows8" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
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05:57 dcook ...
05:58 dcook @karma windows8
05:58 huginn dcook: Karma for "windows8" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
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06:03 dcook Windows 8 is horrible...
06:03 * dcook looks at the laptop
06:03 dcook Oh...has my user finally been created?
06:03 * dcook looks at his watch
06:03 dcook Wait, I don't wear a watch...
06:06 cait heh
06:06 cait i guess it's slow?
06:06 cait why would you do that to a laptop btw?
06:06 mtompset 8.1 is better.
06:06 mtompset still bad, but better.
06:13 mtompset okay... > 172K records in the zebraqueue.
06:13 mtompset cleared that up... let's see if I can get it to limp to completion now.
06:17 mtompset YAY! I think it is working. I think it may limp to completion!
06:17 mtompset Added about 400+ records in 5 minutes, and then suddenly only 20+ records not done. :)
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06:20 rangi you people and your proprietary OSes
06:21 magnuse hehe
06:23 pastebot "mtompset" at pasted "BAM! Zebra is working. :)" (13 lines) at
06:24 dcook Yeah, I'm not digging the proprietary OSes so much these days
06:24 dcook Work laptop though
06:24 magnuse run linux off a usb?
06:24 dcook Trying to figure out how I'm going to work at Kohacon..
06:25 rangi dcook: opposite here, you have to get special permission (like you work on the QA or design team) to have a windows machine :)
06:25 dcook hehe
06:25 dcook rangi: That sounds nice :)
06:25 dcook magnuse: I suppose that's an option
06:26 magnuse catalyst++
06:27 mtompset dcook: What do you mean "trying to figure out how..."?
06:28 mtompset Won't you have a laptop brought with you?
06:28 magnuse “From Librarian to Developer in 90 Minutes” - that sounds like fun!
06:28 dcook Yarp
06:28 dcook The remote connection is pretty slow though
06:29 mtompset Remote connection? Why do you need a remote connection?
06:29 mtompset If this is a windows box, why not VirtualBox and set up putty and a few other useful tools?
06:30 dcook I'm still going to want to have a hand in the kitchen back here :p
06:30 * magnuse would definitely go the virtualbox route if he was tied to a windows box during the hackfest
06:30 magnuse ah
06:30 dcook But that's not a bad idea...
06:31 dcook Although I'm not sure how much hard drive space I have
06:32 dcook And I don't think the memory is so hot on this laptop
06:32 dcook Even the VM I have on this desktop is pretty crap
06:32 mtompset dcook: Welcome to my 11 months in the Philippines in 2012. :P
06:33 cait dcook: make sure you turn the starting sound of windows off somehow...
06:33 mtompset 2GB netbook running 32-bit Ubuntu.
06:33 cait you might get glares bringing a windows machine to kohacon... ;)
06:33 dcook lol
06:33 mtompset Seriously?! Such a judgmental crowd? :P
06:34 dcook Good to know
06:34 cait hehe not so bad
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06:35 rangi i totally judge people
06:35 reiveune hello
06:36 dcook rangi is like a cat. It might hiss and scratch at you, but you can't help but them :p
06:37 mtompset ^help but^help but love^?
06:38 dcook Indeed
06:38 * dcook stares at the Windows 8 start menu and tries to remember what he was trying to do
06:39 magnuse install ubuntu?
06:40 dcook Hard drive size
06:40 dcook Thanks for the reminder ;)
06:40 dcook Good lord...what's running on this beast..
06:40 dcook 83 gb used
06:41 dcook Windows is 20gb alone
06:43 cait @seen khall_away
06:43 huginn cait: khall_away was last seen in #koha 19 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 40 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <khall_away> happy bday rangi!
06:43 cait @seen khall
06:43 huginn cait: khall was last seen in #koha 3 days, 13 hours, 13 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <khall> Ah, I see. Thanks!
06:46 magnuse khall had a moment of enlightenment and bolted from #koha? ;-)
06:49 Oak mtompset, I have little knowledge of what you were doing earlier... but just thought it may help you or improve your understanding by reading this[…]fs#Copy-On-Write_.28CoW.29
06:49 Oak whole page preferably
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06:50 * magnuse renews the domain
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06:51 samueld hi everybody
06:53 kivilahtio__ see bug 9921
06:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nunyo, Patch doesn't apply , Make it possible to force 001 = biblionumber
06:53 kivilahtio__ so someone is currently working on that bug?
06:53 kivilahtio__ then I can just make a dirty hack to get our biblinumber preserved
06:53 dcook magnuse++
06:54 mtompset Oak: Our VM environment doesn't let me touch /dev, even if I am root. I hate vserver!
06:54 mtompset vserver--
06:54 dcook magnuse: Looks like someone already has
06:54 dcook Naturally, it's about hockey :p
06:55 magnuse kivilahtio__: bug 9921 is about forcing the biblionumber into 001, not making what is in 001 be the biblionumber
06:55 mtompset Some place just outside of Ottawa with a bunch of old guys who like playing hockey.
06:56 Oak magnuse++
06:56 Oak okay mtompset :)
06:56 mtompset I think I'm going to get more than 2 hours sleep. :)
06:56 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
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06:57 Oak @later tell mtompset[…]wl-or-a-lark.html
06:57 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded.
06:58 kivilahtio__ magnuse: good point
06:59 magnuse and let me just say that preserving biblionumbers from an old system sounds like a bad idea
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07:01 dcook Maybe preserve biblionumbers from an old system in a local field
07:01 dcook But I wouldn't use them
07:08 dcook All right. Gym time!
07:08 * dcook is starting to get addicted enough to these endorphins that he might actually use the gym facilities at the Atlantis
07:08 dcook Maybe...
07:08 wahanui maybe is a momentaneous error
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07:17 paxed *grmbl* translatable strings "There are ", "no libraries defined", "no patron categories defined"  that's just lovely.
07:23 kf if you don't like it improve it ;)
07:23 kf good morning #koha
07:24 magnuse kia ora kf
07:24 paxed kf: i'm just trying to translate this thing, no idea if we're going to use it.
07:25 kivilahtio__ good morning kf
07:26 kivilahtio__ paxed: we will :)
07:26 kf maybe stop calling it 'this thing' in that case ;)
07:26 paxed also, a missing %s in a translation string breaking a page completely, and not even giving any hint which translation string it is .... a big no-no in my book.
07:27 kf hm that's not true
07:27 rangi be rangi
07:27 wahanui Send a patch!
07:27 kf if you use poedit it will give you ar warn on saving
07:27 kf if you run thte translation scripts, it will also give you a warning
07:27 kf and output the string
07:28 paxed the translation script doesn't tell which file it's doing.
07:28 kf it will give you the string
07:28 kf and you can search easily with that
07:28 magnuse paxed: which version and how are you running the translate script
07:28 magnuse ?
07:28 paxed yes, i know. it could still say which file.
07:28 kf what would the file help you?
07:28 paxed magnuse: git, manually.
07:29 kf and most of the time it's multiple files
07:30 magnuse paxed: tried running with -v too?
07:31 paxed magnuse: ah, that helps. thanks.
07:33 paxed kf: what about those who use pootle, does that complain about missing %s too?
07:34 kf i think i tmight be one of the filters
07:34 kf i normally trnaslate with pootle and then use poedit to double check the files for errors
07:42 paxed the translation files are hostile. i can't imagine trying to translate those without any coding experience.
07:43 magnuse um, you should not have to look inside the files unless you make some mistake in matching up the %s's
07:45 rangi you mean the .po files?
07:45 paxed i have no problem with the po-file format.
07:45 rangi you just like complaining?
07:46 paxed msgid "%s %s (%s) %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s ["   <-- this is the reason i'm cranky.
07:46 paxed as an example.
07:46 kf just copy it
07:47 magnuse yeah, those are the easy ones
07:47 kf we can try to help you, but if you are negative about it it won't get easier
07:48 paxed oh, i'm hoping to get underflow soon, i'm 8bit.
07:48 kivilahtio__ lol
07:48 kf ok, i didn't get that one :)
07:48 * magnuse neither
07:48 kf just saying, translating is boring
07:49 kivilahtio__
07:49 kf i am not going to deny that :)
07:49 paxed 8 bits can only store values in the range of 0-255, or if you use signed bit, -128 - 127   ...
07:50 kivilahtio__ ok how do I change the documentation in Koha? Mainly interested in where the man files for are?
07:50 kf they are in the file I think
07:50 kf so you would send a patch
07:51 kf or do you mean something that was noted in the manual?
07:51 kf manual?
07:51 wahanui i guess manual is at
07:51 kivilahtio__ kf: Ah here in the end
07:51 kivilahtio__ kf: my mistake
07:52 magnuse .pl scripts have embedded POD, only the commands provided by the packages have separate man pages (maintained in docbook)
07:52 magnuse far as i know
07:53 magnuse well, .pl and .pm have POD
07:53 kivilahtio__ magnuse: got that
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09:10 kivilahtio__ do you have any validator utility classes?
09:10 kivilahtio__ or libraries?
09:10 wahanui libraries are the kings of overcomplication
09:10 kivilahtio__ agreed :D
09:11 kf whta are you trying to do?
09:11 kivilahtio__ validate the biblioitemnumber and biblionumber in the C4-modules
09:11 kivilahtio__ kf: well i can get my patch ready today
09:11 kivilahtio__ kf: you can check it out later if you want
09:12 kf I won't have any time I am afraid
09:12 kf I am covered with QA currently... and my nrmal work
09:12 kivilahtio__ kf: dont sweat it, no rpoblem, you have been very kind as it is
09:21 paxed hm.  apparently can't do utf8
09:36 kf paxed: hm it works fine for me
09:36 kf where do you see a problem?
09:37 kivilahtio__ hmm, I cannot clear my zebra database
09:38 kivilahtio__ ./ -r -b -a -v
09:39 kivilahtio__ maybe removing /var/lib/zebradb/biblios will do the trick ;)
09:43 kf hm i would not recomment removing files
09:43 kf recommend even
09:43 kf is there any error? when you run with -r?
09:43 kf there is also search faq?
09:43 kf search faq?
09:43 wahanui search faq is
09:51 paxed kf:
09:51 paxed kf: all the other prefs "panes" show the utf8 chars correctly
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09:57 kf hm that's strange
09:58 kf German umlauts display correctly on the cir ctab
09:58 kf I just checked
10:01 paxed i wonder if pootle makes it hard for translators to see if there's a space at the end of the string or not? i need to fix dozens and dozens or translated strings that do not have space at the end when the msgid has space.
10:05 kf it shows it with a red underline
10:06 kf i think many people ignore it or forget it
10:06 paxed lovely.
10:08 kf translation is an iterative process I think
10:08 kf you learn and improve all the time
10:09 paxed it was a comment on the tool, not the process.
10:33 paxed ehheh. msgid "[% description |html %]"
10:39 magnuse just copy it
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10:48 mtompset Woo hoo! It continues to reindex properly as far as I can tell. YAY! In a few hours, my indexing nightmare will be gone.
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10:59 kivilahtio__ hmm, removing all the directories under var/lib/zebradb/authorities && biblios  seems to have fixed my zebra issues regarding biblios not getting removed from zebra...
11:00 kivilahtio__ hen rebuilds then broken directory structure
11:03 paxed magnuse: i know, but i find it funny the translation contains Template Toolkit code.
11:08 mtompset I didn't have a permissions problem or a directory problem. My problem is we are running in VERY LOW MEMORY situation.
11:09 mtompset By deleting everything from the zebraqueue table, and restarting the script in bug 6566, our indexing is slowly rebuilding.
11:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6566 enhancement, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, CLOSED FIXED, Checking if DB records are properly indexed
11:10 mtompset If there are too many records in the table, I suspect that the 5 minute interval for reindexing ends up clobbering the former instance attempting to reindex.
11:13 sophie_m mtompset : we've got a script to avoid multiple rebuild_zebra running in the case you describe
11:14 mtompset sophie_m: Actually, I was thinking that perhaps I should look into the reindexing method that tcohen has been pushing.
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11:22 Barrc1 Would anyone have any idea why a Koha instance would spawn multiple sessions, enough to crash a server!?
11:22 Barrc1 too..........outside of an attack!
11:23 kivilahtio__ Barrc1: wow that is a big guestion. Maybe you should ask the mailing list?
11:24 kf Barrc1: could it be users? double clicking trying again and again?
11:25 Barrc1 kivilahtio_: Yep, I will do. Just thought some might have an quick idea!
11:25 Barrc1 After the crash the kern log shows 1000s of connection being initiated at the same time then, theny Mysql splats!
11:25 jcamins Barrc1: impatient users.
11:25 Barrc1 well, maybe multiple hundreds, rather than 1000's!
11:26 Barrc1 jcamins: The strange thing is the timestamp is exactly the same for all connections
11:27 jcamins Firewall?
11:27 Barrc1 Is there a firewall on the box?
11:27 Barrc1 is that what you mean?
11:29 jcamins Barrc1: I was thinking of a firewall in front of the server.
11:31 Barrc1 Yeah, looks like it might be something to try!
11:32 jcamins I'm not suggesting you add one. I'm suggesting that the one you have is screwed up.
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11:34 vfernandes hi :)
11:34 Barrc1 Its a small enough setup. Virtual box with iptables running on it......nothing if front - unless the datacenter are doing something
11:34 vfernandes i'm having a problem with koha 3.12 renewals
11:35 kf vfernandes: what's the problem?
11:35 wahanui the problem is probably it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
11:35 jcamins I guess you have access logs, so the first question is whether the incoming IP is exactly the same.
11:35 vfernandes the checkout calculates the due date correctly, but when I renew the due_date is the same as the renew date (today)
11:36 Barrc1 yeah, all the same, all with the exact same timestamp, down to ms - so strange
11:37 jcamins Exact same URL?
11:37 Barrc1 I was thinking if there was something in Koha spawning these but it is starting to look like a remote issue - caused by users or user requests
11:37 vfernandes kf any idea why this is happening?
11:37 kf yes
11:38 kf your systempreferences
11:38 Barrc1 yes, all the requests originate from the same source IP
11:38 Barrc1 The IP of the end users
11:38 kf or the circulation conditions
11:38 kf check usedaysmode or similar for how the renewal date is calculated
11:38 Barrc1 apache requests, as opposed to other types!
11:38 kf and check there is a correct renewal period set in your circulation matrix
11:40 vfernandes omg!
11:40 vfernandes renewal period is empty :D
11:40 jcamins Barrc1: yeah, I had a feeling.
11:41 vfernandes thanks kf
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12:00 magnuse Barrc1: is it similar to the issue eythian brought up on the mailing list?
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12:02 magnuse Barrc1: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/039810.html
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12:15 Oak later guys
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12:18 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:45 tcohen morning #koha
12:48 mtompset tcohen! Good morning. :)
12:48 mtompset Greetings, oleonard. :)
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12:54 kivilahtio__ I am writing test cases for my patch
12:54 kivilahtio__ any idea how I can get the MARCXML back from zebra which I added using C4::Biblio::AddBiblio?
12:55 kivilahtio__ would like to compare those results. Are they comparable? Any ideas how to compare the sameness of bibliographic records?
12:55 jcamins kivilahtio__: take a look at t/db_dependent/Search.t.
12:55 kivilahtio__ jcamins: figures :D
12:55 kivilahtio__ thanks
12:55 jcamins But be aware that testing Zebra is kinda unpleasant.
12:55 jcamins If you can avoid any tests requiring Zebra, I recommend that route.
12:56 kivilahtio__ jcamins: well I feel the tests wouldnt be so accurate. No better way to make sure marc records match than compare them character to character?
12:56 jcamins You can use Test::Deep.
12:57 jcamins I believe that works, though I'm not sure I have tried.
12:59 kf Joubu: around? :)
13:02 kivilahtio__ jcamins: ok this zebra thing is a pain
13:02 kivilahtio__ jcamins: So there is no way to fetch the exact record if i know the biblionumber?
13:02 kivilahtio__ jcamins: from Zebra?
13:03 Joubu kf: Hi!
13:04 kivilahtio__ jcamins: I give up! :)
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13:07 mtompset Greetings again, #koha.
13:08 mtompset Silly Firefox update.
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13:10 oleonard Hopefully an improvement mtompset:[…]ess-week-117-120/
13:10 oleonard mtompset: Also: Try running chatzilla standalone with xulrunner
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13:18 oleonard kf++
13:18 oleonard Joubu++
13:18 oleonard QA++
13:18 magnuse qa++ always!
13:20 oleonard @karma qa
13:20 huginn oleonard: Karma for "qa" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4.
13:33 mtompset qa++
13:35 kivilahtio__ so who do I send mail to to be able to push to master?
13:36 kivilahtio__ And how do I define tests in bugzilla?
13:36 kivilahtio__ Any guidelines for that?
13:36 kf kivilahtio__: noone can push to master apart from the RM
13:37 kf you create your patches and put them on a bug, then switch the status to "needs signoff" and a tester will take a look
13:37 kf then if the tester says it's ok, qa does tet, and then the RM might push it ;)
13:37 kf a step by step test plan is what is expected, best in the commit message
13:37 kivilahtio__ kf: yeah I got the workflow but where do I push for QA?
13:38 kf you don't push
13:38 kf it's all done via bugzilla
13:38 kf take a look at git bz?
13:38 kf git bz?
13:38 wahanui git bz is, like,
13:38 kf arg wahanui.
13:38 kf patch workflow?
13:38 wahanui patch workflow is at[…]nt-patch_Workflow
13:38 samueld Qa6DrtPH
13:38 magnuse oops
13:39 kivilahtio__ interesting. I forget what I read.
13:39 kf I or someone else from the QA team will get your patches from there after they are signed off :)
13:40 kf for really big developments there have been branches on mostly personal or company repos in the past - but normally it works with patches on the bug
13:42 oleonard *cough* Bug 10309 *cough*
13:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap
13:42 kivilahtio__ kf: ok, so I have a branch named Bug_6113, which has several commits, each commit start with the bugzilla header.
13:43 kivilahtio__ kf: now I need to understand this git bz.
13:43 kivilahtio__ kf: I'll let you know what happens :)
13:44 kivilahtio__ hmm, I didn't    "git checkout -b bug_xxxx origin/master"   instead i did "git checkout -b Bug_6113"    and hacked away
13:44 kf ok :)
13:45 kf there is a test bug somewhere if you want to test
13:45 kf that shoudl also have worked
13:45 kivilahtio__ kf: Ok, thanks. I try to gz this branch to bugzilla then
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14:01 oleonard anyone know off the top of their heads what happens to holds on items which are batch-deleted?
14:04 oleonard In 3.10.x anyway it doesn't look like they're moved to oldreserves
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14:07 oleonard Not in master either.
14:17 kf oleonard: ew.
14:17 kf sounds like a bug
14:17 oleonard Looks like the script checks for  allocated holds but nothing else if I understand it correctly
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14:18 kf oleonard: is that item batch delete?
14:18 oleonard Yes
14:18 kf oleonard: maybe we need to make sure it uses the right sub to cancel the reserve instead of just deleting it
14:26 oleonard Oh nice, it deletes the item and biblio record even if the hold is marked waiting
14:29 oleonard tcohen: No, the conservative party will just make everyone suffer for a while
14:29 oleonard Hopefully the "liberal"
14:29 oleonard won't blink
14:30 oleonard The last time this happened (almost 20 years ago) it didn't end well for the conservatives. I hope history repeats itself.
14:31 tcohen i hope the same
14:32 oleonard In the US the Google Doodle is celebrating the anniversary of Yosemite National Park, which will be closed because of the shutdown.
14:35 kivilahtio__ OK I got the git bz working, but how do I send my 5 commits inside branch bug_6113 to bugzilla. Using git bz 6113 <Commit_hash> just overwrites my attachements in bugzilla as their commit description header is the same
14:36 kivilahtio__ do I need to merge my commits into one big commit? or can I somehow attach the whole branch?
14:36 oleonard Do your 5 commits need to be separate? Can you squash them into one?
14:36 kivilahtio__ oleonard: they don't need to, but I separated the test cases to a separate commit, but I can merge the other 4
14:37 oleonard kivilahtio__: You can use an interactive rebase to squash them together
14:37 oleonard git rebase -i [origin/master]
14:37 kivilahtio__ oleonard: I am VERY new to git
14:37 kivilahtio__ oleonard: OK, I'l look into that
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14:43 vfernandes hi again...
14:43 vfernandes how to define stopwords in 3.10?
14:54 oleonard vfernandes: You don't define stopwords in Koha if you're using Zebra.
14:54 oleonard vfernandes: I don' t know much more than that. Are you asking because Zebra is not ignoring something it should?
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15:15 kivilahtio__ git is hard :(
15:16 kivilahtio__ do you use hard-core terminal for your git needs? or are the graphical git tools suitable for our use?
15:17 kivilahtio__ I guess nothing works with git-bz
15:17 kivilahtio__ I mean the GUI tools
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15:20 oleonard I don't find I have a need for GUI tools
15:20 oleonard I'm not a hardcore Linux geek, but with some experience I'm a happy command-line git user
15:24 * kf too
15:24 kf it gets to be your second nature
15:24 kf after a while
15:24 kf hm maybe wrong phrase... but it gets really easy
15:26 jcamins git?
15:26 wahanui i think git is[…]Control_Using_Git
15:26 jcamins kivilahtio__: ^^
15:26 jcamins git-bz
15:26 jcamins git-bz?
15:26 wahanui git-bz is at[…]_bz_configuration
15:26 jcamins kivilahtio__: ^^
15:27 kf bye all
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15:29 masoud Hi
15:29 wahanui que tal, masoud
15:29 masoud I just finished installing Koha on Ubuntu
15:30 masoud I am trying to setup my library
15:30 masoud But I get the following error on http://localhost
15:30 masoud "System maintenance The Koha online catalog is offline for system maintenance."
15:31 masoud Tried googling but it didn't help
15:31 masoud any pointers would be great
15:31 masoud am running a virtualbox Xubuntu 12.04 LTS
15:31 masoud with 1 GB RAM
15:33 oleonard masoud: What method did you use to install Koha?
15:33 oleonard You're arriving at the public interface rather than the staff interface
15:34 masoud not sure if I am naive....
15:34 oleonard You have to access the staff interface to complete installation
15:34 masoud went about the instructions in[…]ubuntu_-_packages
15:34 masoud did sudo apt-get install
15:34 kivilahtio__ luckily I made backups of the changes I did today, otherwise... The whole git repo got blasted under my rebases and undos and whatnot
15:35 kivilahtio__ anyway now got the one-commit-patch to bugzilla
15:35 oleonard masoud: Did you define a domain name in koha-sites.conf?
15:36 kivilahtio__ so is there any standard for the "create test case" in bugzilla? Or is it enough testing if I have a test script attached in the patch?
15:36 masoud don't have a domain name
15:36 kivilahtio__ like this link
15:36 kivilahtio__[…]uct=Koha&bug=6113
15:36 masoud i am currently testin it out
15:36 masoud on a standalone one
15:36 oleonard masoud: Did you edit koha-sites.conf as described in those instructions?
15:36 masoud before I install for my friends library
15:36 masoud yes i did...
15:37 masoud left the domain as ""
15:38 oleonard masoud: You can put a made-up domain in koha-sites.conf if you're doing a local test installation
15:38 masoud tried that as well as
15:39 masoud lemme try once more
15:40 masoud but when I do a dnsdomainname in the Ubuntu terminal, I get nothing
15:41 jcamins kivilahtio__: we don't really use BZ test cases at present.
15:42 oleonard masoud: I don't know what to suggest. All I know is that I have followed those instructions and installed successfully. I would think about what steps you might have done differently from the instructions.
15:43 masoud thanks, @oleonard.... is there a direct way of accessing the staff site.... say by way of a specific url?
15:44 masoud or is it always http://localhost?
15:44 oleonard A specific URL is exactly what you should have defined in koha-sites.conf
15:45 masoud for which parameter in the koha-sites.conf?
15:46 rambutan masoud: what happens when you do:
15:47 masoud i get a 404
15:47 oleonard rambutan: This is a package install, so unless masoud defined a different intranet port by hand I don't think that will work.
15:47 oleonard masoud: What is your instance name?
15:47 rambutan really, didn't know that
15:47 masoud library
15:48 oleonard What about going to http://library-intra ?
15:49 masoud chromium throws an error "This webpage is not available"
15:50 oleonard masoud: How far into the instructions did you get?
15:51 masoud till the instruction on lynx
15:51 masoud installed lynx ....
15:51 masoud but then i figured that i could run on the chromium browser as well
15:51 oleonard Yes, that's right.
15:51 wahanui no it's not.
15:52 oleonard Shut up wahanui
15:52 wahanui oleonard is making me cry!
15:54 kivilahtio__ I like wahanui
15:56 oleonard masoud: Maybe you could try pasting the contents of /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf
15:56 oleonard paste?
15:56 wahanui i heard paste was found at
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16:05 oleonard Sorry masoud, I don't know what to suggest next. Maybe someone else has an idea.
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16:06 masoud no probs, @oleonard.... thanks a lot...
16:10 jcamins masoud: does `ping library-intra` work?
16:11 masoud says unknown host
16:12 jcamins masoud: okay, there's your problem.
16:12 masoud this is a standalone install...
16:13 jcamins You'll have to configure library-intra to point to the correct place.
16:13 masoud ok ...
16:13 masoud let me play around with /etc/hosts
16:16 masoud thanks @jcamins....
16:17 masoud worked after modifying my /etc/hosts
16:17 masoud i get the staff login....
16:17 masoud pheww..... thanks a lot guys...
16:21 masoud got onto the web installer...
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16:24 jcamins Curse you government shutdown, you get in the way of my work!
16:24 * jcamins routes around the damage.
16:25 cait can you?
16:25 oleonard You're not allowed to route around the damage until you have been ideologically transformed by it.
16:25 jcamins cait: yeah, somehow...
16:34 cait Joubu: still around?
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16:36 mtompset Why does the government shutdown affect you, jcamins?
16:37 mtompset How?
16:37 tcohen eythian: did u see the fixed patch for bug 10624?
16:37 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-common.init should implement the 'status' option switch
16:38 tcohen mtompset: maybe some gov's offices are closed?
16:46 mtompset I should get around to signing off those things I'd say I'd try signing off on. :)
16:47 mtompset what table shows checkouts.
16:47 cait hm i am going to do a git bisect... wish me luck
16:48 chris_n stupid administration
16:50 oleonard mtompset: issues
16:52 cait iiinteresting
16:52 cait bug 9130
16:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9130 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, CLOSED FIXED, Remove old javascript from Parcel
16:52 cait that broke it
16:54 mtompset uh oh... poor dcook, breaking things.
16:55 cait yay :)
16:56 cait i cleaned my cookies - now i can see pending orders again :D
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17:19 mtompset cookies++
17:19 mtompset @karma cookies
17:19 huginn mtompset: Karma for "cookies" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5.
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17:59 reiveune bye
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18:34 tcohen bug 10905 and bug 10957
18:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10905 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Author tracings incorrect when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is turned on
18:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , 710$a with 710$b (subordinate unit) present shows wrong (XSLT)
18:37 rangi bug 7791
18:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7791 critical, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Needs Signoff , Deleting basket should not delete all existing orders without warning
18:38 cait1 morning rangi
18:38 rangi morning
18:38 cait1 @wunder wellington
18:38 huginn cait1: Error: No such location could be found.
18:38 cait1 oh
18:38 rangi @wunder nzwn
18:39 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on October 02, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
18:39 cait1 @wunder Konstanz
18:39 huginn cait1: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.3°C (8:35 PM CEST on October 01, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
18:39 cait1 looks like you win
18:39 cait1 brr
18:43 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
18:43 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 22.0°C (3:00 PM ART on October 01, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 17%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
18:44 rangi @wunder reno,nv
18:44 huginn rangi: The current temperature in MidTown, Reno, Nevada is 17.3°C (11:15 AM PDT on October 01, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
18:45 cait1 hmm
18:45 rangi everything in the signoff queue applies
18:45 tcohen its in a desert, right? wide temprerature amplitude
18:45 rangi yep
18:45 rangi bbiab
18:46 * tcohen goes find a bigger luggage
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18:53 tcohen bbl, bye #koha
18:56 rangi what does the fox say?
18:56 wahanui
19:05 cait1 heh
19:08 wizzyrea hehe
19:08 wizzyrea the fox?
19:08 wahanui
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19:59 Topic for #koha is now QA sprint, run Forrest run! |[…]-library-software
20:00 * cait goes to test bug 9044 next
20:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Allow to select items on catalogue/ and trigger actions
20:02 cait wizzyrea: US making all the news here tody
20:02 wizzyrea ugh I know.
20:02 * wizzyrea finds her "go maple leafs" shirt
20:02 rambutan for our governmental issues?
20:03 cait yes
20:03 cait i guess people find it hard to imagine that here
20:03 wizzyrea maybe australia? if this happens there it triggers immediate dissolution of the government and full re-elections
20:03 wizzyrea this seems sensible to me
20:04 rangi same here
20:04 cait not sure here
20:04 oleonard Hard to imagine our politicians enacting a rule which could end up getting themselves fired.
20:04 rambutan gee, talk about a tsunami approach!
20:04 wizzyrea BURN IT ALL
20:04 rangi well if they cant do their jobs, then gtfo and let someone who can in
20:04 wizzyrea ^^^^^
20:05 rambutan what I think should happen in cases like this is that political parties are immendiately dissolved until a totally clean budget is passed
20:05 rangi confidence and supply agreements
20:05 wizzyrea speaking of... need to test LoC ztarget now.
20:06 rambutan sorry wizzyrea, LoC is closed
20:06 rangi was working for me
20:06 wizzyrea the z target?
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20:06 * wizzyrea tests it
20:06 cait ah different here
20:06 rangi all last night
20:06 cait but i have no idea how to explain it in english
20:06 wizzyrea yea it's up
20:06 rangi yep
20:07 wizzyrea they missed that cable in the switch room.
20:07 rangi no one is being paid to turn it off
20:07 wizzyrea kek
20:07 wizzyrea the idea that they actually turned off the web sites
20:07 cait ah different system here
20:07 wizzyrea or put on a placeholder
20:07 cait interesting
20:07 wahanui i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
20:08 wizzyrea seeing what happens when the staff isn't there to keep it running would be a better indicator of the necessity of money to run the service than shutting it down.
20:08 rangi totally
20:08 jcamins wizzyrea: I don't think you understand this.
20:08 rangi i hope they didnt actually turn it off
20:08 wizzyrea uhhuh
20:08 jcamins No matter how much more expensive that is than any alternative.
20:08 wizzyrea no I get it.
20:09 rangi cos anytime you do that, theres a decent chance that server aint coming back
20:09 * jcamins begins chanting "SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT" in time with the [expletive deleted]s in DC.
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20:10 oleonard rangi:
20:10 wizzyrea lol
20:11 wizzyrea did you just make that
20:11 oleonard Yes
20:11 jcamins lol
20:11 rangi heh
20:12 rangi yeah
20:14 rangi this was interesting to me
20:14 rangi[…]84900013282705408
20:14 oleonard Gotta run guys. Try not to make the government any shutty-downier while I'm gone.
20:14 rangi im not sure it would be possible
20:14 rangi cya oleonard :)
20:15 jcamins rangi: yeah, I'm hoping our insurance might go down, but honestly I'd be shocked.
20:15 jcamins Apparently we already have extraordinarly cheap insurance here.
20:15 wizzyrea getting it on your own, outside a group, is still going to be stupid expensive.
20:15 jcamins Yeah.
20:16 gmcharlt don't get me started on the plan that could have been
20:16 * gmcharlt is starting to emerge from the weeds
20:16 * cait waves
20:16 * wizzyrea imagines gmcharlt grass stained, dirty, wild eyed
20:19 wizzyrea[…]e-shutdown/70068/
20:20 rangi yeah that was cool
20:21 ibeardslee
20:21 rangi interesting
20:21 wahanui somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad
20:28 ibeardslee rangi: what gets me in that photo .. WTFH would you be sitting down with a pack on your back reading when you have all that scenery to be looking at
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20:29 wizzyrea on your iPad
20:29 wizzyrea which you can't see in that light anyway
20:29 wizzyrea at least not that generation of iPad.
20:50 tcohen hi wizzyrea
20:50 wizzyrea whaddup :)
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20:55 ltreat Hello, everyone. Anyone available to answer a fairly technical question re: database migration?
20:55 tcohen cait?
20:55 wahanui cait: go to bed
20:56 cait heh
20:56 cait not that late yet :)
20:56 cait but soonish
20:57 rangi ltreat: we wont know until you ask it
20:57 tcohen cait: bug 10691
20:57 ltreat Very true. I'd heard of this project because we run evergreen at my work, but my church library needs an opensource (read, free) program but it currently uses Concourse
20:57 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10691 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , 5xx not properly linked by authid in authority search result list
20:57 ltreat Don't want to re-enter all the books
20:59 tcohen any thoughts?
20:59 rangi it might be massive overkill for your library ltreat
21:00 ltreat It might, and we're definitely not tech-gurus and setting it up will be probably a pain, but we need a free alternative without a book number limit
21:01 rangi if you already know evergreen, why not that?
21:01 rangi its only the same level of overkill ;)
21:01 ltreat According to the IT guy, it's much more complicated to set up and requires a server. He thought that Koha was on a slightly smaller scale
21:01 ltreat He could have been wrong lol
21:01 rangi they can both run big, and both run small
21:01 rangi libraries
21:01 wahanui libraries are the kings of overcomplication
21:02 ltreat ikr? you think you have everything set up and then squirrely business happens
21:02 rangi koha requires a server too
21:02 ltreat agh. Don't suppose anyone knows of any other free services for a small library without a book limit?
21:02 rangi it is easier to install, because it is packaged, so if you use ubuntu or debian easier
21:03 tcohen i'd stick with the one that requires less maintenance
21:03 rangi but you either host it yourself, or pay someone to host it for you
21:03 rangi just like you would for evergreen
21:03 ltreat Which one is less maintenance? but yes, actually there are hosting services for libraries like mine where we can get it on the cheap
21:04 rangi cheap is not my forte im afraid, im into free as in freedom, someone else might know though
21:06 ltreat There are specific non-profit hosting companies, according to the IT guy. I would have to track them down. But if both require a server, which would be easier all in all maintenance-wise? I don't have a very tech-happy staff
21:08 rangi hard to know, ive never maintained an evergreen server
21:09 ltreat hm. all right then. thanks for the help!
21:16 tcohen cait: do u have a minute to talk about that bug?
21:16 cait oh sorry
21:16 cait bit tired already, i missed your comment earlier
21:16 cait what's the problem?
21:16 wahanui the problem is probably it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
21:16 tcohen 10691
21:17 tcohen would u agree to test for RLIN, and fallback to search instead of authid?
21:19 eythian hi
21:19 wahanui bidet, eythian
21:19 tcohen hi eythian
21:20 eythian hi there
21:20 eythian I have your bug open, I'll hopefully get a look at it today.
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21:22 tcohen =)
21:24 cait tcohen: I think the way we do it most places is - use the number if there is one
21:25 cait else do a text search
21:25 cait i think that jared does it that way on the detail page, but not sure
21:25 cait results seem different
21:25 tcohen ok, some refactoring is needed then, but it wouldnt be so problematic
21:25 tcohen what i noticed is that this actually doesnt work at all for unimarc...
21:33 tcohen[…]utdown-memes-570/
21:44 cait hm you would have to ask jared about that i think
21:44 cait not sure about how much is implemented of those features for unimarc
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22:23 jcamins tcohen: the value stored in $9 is authid.
22:23 jcamins "RLIN" is just wrong in this context.
22:27 tcohen ok, learnt
22:30 jcamins It's one of those bugs that doesn't really have a clear fix so it stays broken.
22:32 tcohen you're talking about the naming of $9? or the bug itself jcamins?
22:32 jcamins The name.
22:32 wahanui somebody said the name was weird too?
22:37 cait switching to $0 and $w would be nice...
22:37 jcamins That'd be very nice.
22:37 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10843 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , print a slip can cause an error
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23:07 jcamins write code that drives our products and enables things to get
23:07 jcamins done?
23:07 jcamins Well, that didn't quite work.
23:07 rangi heh
23:07 rangi neither will that job
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23:08 jcamins But I definitely wake up in the morning and think "I want to write code to drive some faceless company's products!"
23:11 eythian face recognition software for a faceless corporation?
23:13 * jcamins considers.
23:13 jcamins Nope, still don't wake up thinking that.
23:15 wizzyrea so, I'm still connecting to z39.50 via yaz...
23:15 jcamins Woohoo!
23:15 wizzyrea to LoC
23:16 wizzyrea so it's not dead yet.
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23:19 dcook morning folks
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23:21 wizzyrea Hullo-a
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23:48 dcook LoC may be down, but you can still read about UNIMARC on Ifla's site :p
23:48 * dcook wonders if there woudl be time to overthrow MARC before LoC comes back online
23:49 jcamins Yes! Do it!
23:49 * dcook looks over at gmcharlt
23:49 dcook Maybe Galen orchestrated this whole thing...
23:49 * dcook wonders if the NSA tracks #koha
23:50 dcook :P
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