| Time |
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Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
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jcamins |
Useful might be over-selling it. |
| 00:00 |
|
jcamins |
"Useful" implies "would be listened to." |
| 00:13 |
|
rangi |
:) |
| 00:44 |
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| 00:47 |
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wizzyrea |
The fox is <reply> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE |
| 00:48 |
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eythian |
wahanui: stonehenge is <reply>http://youtu.be/mbyzgeee2mg |
| 00:48 |
|
wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
| 00:48 |
|
eythian |
I think that one's better anyway |
| 00:49 |
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wizzyrea |
the fox relevant because well. Kids. |
| 00:50 |
|
wizzyrea |
that is completely silly |
| 00:54 |
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| 00:54 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
| 01:10 |
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rambutan |
hi mtompset |
| 01:21 |
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| 01:26 |
|
jcamins |
Hey, does anyone have Koha + MySQL on a test server to do a test for me real quick? |
| 01:26 |
|
wizzyrea |
sure, sup |
| 01:26 |
|
jcamins |
I'm trying to confirm that deleting a biblio from the staff client updates the timestamp to the date deleted in deletedbiblio. |
| 01:27 |
|
jcamins |
The test plan is as follows: create biblio, note biblio.timestamp from MySQL client. Delete biblio using "Delete record" button in staff client. Check deletedbiblio.timestamp for that biblionumber. |
| 01:27 |
|
wizzyrea |
yep sec |
| 01:29 |
|
* dcook |
thinks that works these days but didn't back in the day |
| 01:29 |
|
* dcook |
has a bunch of badd deletedbiblio timestamps from 3.2 |
| 01:30 |
|
dcook |
I haven't tested though right now though, so I'd wait for liz on this one.. |
| 01:30 |
|
wizzyrea |
2013-09-30 14:30:16 < record I just deleted timestamp from deletedbiblio |
| 01:31 |
|
jcamins |
Woohoo! |
| 01:31 |
|
jcamins |
Thanks. |
| 01:31 |
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wizzyrea |
that was edit -> delete items, then edit -> delete record |
| 01:31 |
|
wizzyrea |
that is what you meant right? |
| 01:32 |
|
jcamins |
Yup. |
| 01:32 |
|
wizzyrea |
cool |
| 01:32 |
|
jcamins |
It'd make me happy if I could run a report every day for all records touched in the last day. |
| 01:33 |
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rambutan |
jcamins: that would be useful information? |
| 01:34 |
|
wizzyrea |
yep, I just did it again, timestamp looks just fine in deletedbiblio |
| 01:34 |
|
jcamins |
Exceedingly useful. |
| 01:34 |
|
jcamins |
It would allow for keeping a discovery layer synchronized without the trouble of setting up an actual push notification for changes. |
| 01:37 |
|
dcook |
You could use OAI :p |
| 01:37 |
|
rambutan |
well, hummm |
| 01:37 |
|
dcook |
That might not fit your purposes though |
| 01:39 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: I may be mistaken, but my understanding of OAI is that it doesn't really allow for incremental updating. |
| 01:40 |
|
dcook |
It depends on how you implement it |
| 01:40 |
|
dcook |
The spec has selective harvesting built-in |
| 01:40 |
|
dcook |
It just depends on how often you run your harvests and if you update your "from" date with each harvest |
| 01:40 |
|
dcook |
And whether your repository honours that "from" date properly |
| 01:40 |
|
dcook |
At the moment, Koha doesn't |
| 01:40 |
|
dcook |
brb |
| 01:42 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: nor does Koha report deleted records, making the use of OAI with Koha exceedingly problematic at best. |
| 01:47 |
|
dcook |
I think there's a bug for reporting deleted records at some point :p |
| 01:49 |
|
dcook |
bug 3206 |
| 01:49 |
|
huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3206 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , OAI repositry deleted record support |
| 01:49 |
|
dcook |
I guess it's not an active one though :p |
| 01:50 |
|
jcamins |
Doesn't seem to be. |
| 01:50 |
|
dcook |
I might work on it someday, depending on how that union catalogue idea pans out |
| 01:51 |
|
dcook |
bug 10824 is actually just awaiting sign off |
| 01:51 |
|
huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10824 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , OAI-PMH repository/server not handling time in "from" argument |
| 01:51 |
|
dcook |
I should actually revise that to say "from" and "until" parameters... |
| 02:10 |
|
dcook |
I am having an issue where I get a software error after harvesting 34,000 records from one Koha instance... |
| 02:10 |
|
dcook |
I imagine 680 HTTP requests might upset any server... |
| 02:11 |
|
dcook |
Although there are a few seconds between each request, me thinks |
| 02:39 |
|
mtj |
peeps - shall i log a bug to delete .the greybox/GreyBox_v5_5.zip file(s) in Koha? |
| 02:40 |
|
mtj |
...they are unneeded yes? (and duplicated per lang and theme?) |
| 02:40 |
|
* dcook |
has no idea about Greybox |
| 02:41 |
|
rangi |
i cant see why we would need a zip file |
| 02:48 |
|
mtompset |
Hmmm.... |
| 02:56 |
|
* dcook |
ponders |
| 02:56 |
|
dcook |
OAI-PMH repositories are supposed to use UTC timestamps |
| 02:56 |
|
dcook |
Koha does not... |
| 02:57 |
|
dcook |
Nor does Koha acting as a OAI server.. |
| 03:00 |
|
eythian |
bgkriegel: should bug 9611 have its status changed, or are you still working on it? |
| 03:00 |
|
huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt |
| 03:01 |
|
bgkriegel |
in a minit |
| 03:01 |
|
bgkriegel |
i'm writing my last comment |
| 03:01 |
|
wizzyrea |
your last comment EVAR?! NOOOOOO |
| 03:01 |
|
bgkriegel |
hehe |
| 03:02 |
|
bgkriegel |
:) |
| 03:10 |
|
bgkriegel |
done ! :) |
| 03:13 |
|
mtompset |
EVAR? |
| 03:13 |
|
mtj |
a random pkg question… when installing a new koha package - where are the db updates logged too? |
| 03:15 |
|
wizzyrea |
/var/log/apt/term.log |
| 03:15 |
|
wizzyrea |
(at least it was this morning when I looked at it) |
| 03:16 |
|
mtj |
hmm, thats blank for me |
| 03:19 |
|
mtj |
perhaps that DB-upgrade info only gets sent to the screen, and not a file - i might be imagining it? |
| 03:20 |
|
wizzyrea |
hm it was in the one I looked at this morning |
| 03:20 |
|
wizzyrea |
maybe it's different per apt config |
| 03:20 |
|
wizzyrea |
you installed the package using apt-get eh? |
| 03:23 |
|
mtj |
aah, i just noticed my 'version' was higher than my package |
| 03:23 |
|
mtj |
(prolly testing a master build before) |
| 03:24 |
|
wizzyrea |
oh so did you install it with dpkg? |
| 03:24 |
|
mtj |
yeah, sorry - dpkg -i ./foo.deb |
| 03:24 |
|
wizzyrea |
ah okies :) then it won't be in the apt logs. :) |
| 03:24 |
|
wizzyrea |
but it might be in /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 03:25 |
|
mtj |
yeah, there was indeed some info in there |
| 03:29 |
|
mtj |
cool, was my high version number, causing the problem :) |
| 03:41 |
|
bgkriegel |
bye |
| 04:03 |
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| 04:04 |
|
mtj |
hmm, i've just spotted a subtle bug in updatedb.pl - for the version checking code… |
| 04:04 |
|
mtj |
if ( C4::Context->preference("Version") < TransformToNum($DBversion) ) { |
| 04:04 |
|
mtj |
seems to work better than... |
| 04:05 |
|
mtj |
if ( CheckVersion($DBversion) ) { |
| 04:05 |
|
mtj |
. |
| 04:05 |
|
eythian |
I just found a situation my csvtomarc script can't handle. Embedded newlines in a title... |
| 04:06 |
|
eythian |
mtj: in that case I guess CheckVersion should be fixed. |
| 04:06 |
|
mtj |
wow, i cant blame you for not expecting that eythian |
| 04:06 |
|
eythian |
liberty is not the most sane software out there. |
| 04:13 |
|
mtj |
the mentioned bug seems to be that CheckVersion() skips updatedb blocks with $VERSION values that are more than 3dp |
| 04:14 |
|
mtj |
so, for these 3 updates - the middle one gets skipped... |
| 04:14 |
|
mtj |
3.12.05.000 |
| 04:14 |
|
mtj |
3.12.05.0001 |
| 04:14 |
|
mtj |
3.12.05.001 |
| 04:15 |
|
mtj |
...which is a gotcha if you are attempting to use 'local' version numbers, for your updates |
| 04:15 |
|
cait |
eythian++ |
| 04:15 |
|
eythian |
mtj: 3.12.05.0001 == 3.12.05.001 |
| 04:16 |
|
eythian |
in version number arithmetic |
| 04:16 |
|
eythian |
the dots aren't decimal places, they're simply breaking up sections, and it's an integer in each section. |
| 04:20 |
|
mtj |
hmm, so whats a better string to give the 2nd 'local' update? |
| 04:21 |
|
eythian |
are you supposed to add another section or something? |
| 04:21 |
|
eythian |
well hang on |
| 04:21 |
|
eythian |
you have anohter section |
| 04:21 |
|
eythian |
so 3.12.05.002 |
| 04:22 |
|
eythian |
ah no, that's internal |
| 04:22 |
|
eythian |
I think you can just chuck another section on. |
| 04:22 |
|
eythian |
or increment the already existing minor number, but that's probably less ideal. |
| 04:24 |
|
mtj |
yeah, well i thought i *was* adding another section on :) |
| 04:24 |
|
eythian |
you need a . for that :) |
| 04:25 |
|
mtj |
well, i thought the dots were simply ignored by koha (as you suggested?) |
| 04:26 |
|
mtj |
ahh, actually you didnt quite say that before… did you :) |
| 04:26 |
|
eythian |
nope |
| 04:29 |
|
mtj |
fwiw - i did initially experiment with an extra '.' but got some weird error, so assumed i was doing it wrong :/ |
| 04:29 |
|
eythian |
I'm not sure if it's right, but it's how it should be done. |
| 04:29 |
|
eythian |
oh, hi cait. |
| 04:30 |
|
mtj |
morning cait :) |
| 04:43 |
|
dcook |
15 minutes until The Signal! |
| 04:43 |
|
* dcook |
also waves to cait |
| 04:44 |
|
mtj |
thanks for the info eythian - i'll poke about some more re: version numbers |
| 04:45 |
|
eythian |
cool. let me know what you work out, too |
| 04:45 |
|
dcook |
Oh noes...it's Monday... |
| 04:45 |
|
eythian |
not for too much longer though |
| 04:45 |
|
* dcook |
would also be curious as to what you find, mtj |
| 04:46 |
|
dcook |
Well, still Sunday in Vancouver..barely Monday in Toronto.. |
| 04:46 |
|
eythian |
so behind the times. |
| 04:46 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: new zealand |
| 04:46 |
|
wahanui |
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4[…]ng-in-new-zealand |
| 04:47 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: new zealand |
| 04:47 |
|
wahanui |
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4[…]ng-in-new-zealand |
| 04:47 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: new zealand is also in the future. We have jetpacks. |
| 04:47 |
|
wahanui |
okay, eythian. |
| 04:48 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 04:49 |
|
dcook |
I should probably listen to local radio but...I like the host and the show in Canada :/ |
| 04:54 |
|
dcook |
argh.. |
| 04:59 |
|
dcook |
wtf Koha... |
| 04:59 |
|
wahanui |
hmmm... koha is a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info |
| 05:02 |
|
* dcook |
wonders if anyone uses Koha as an OAI-PMH server, because if they do...it's not working anywhere near correctly |
| 05:03 |
|
dcook |
Or maybe every one of my patches fixes one thing and breaks another.. |
| 05:05 |
|
cait |
dcook: we had someone testing it for feeding their discovery interface |
| 05:05 |
|
cait |
they noted some problems about it |
| 05:05 |
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cait |
the big problem was that there was no option to include item information |
| 05:05 |
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| 05:05 |
|
cait |
but they were also not so happy about the missing deleted records |
| 05:05 |
|
dcook |
Those are optional things though |
| 05:05 |
|
cait |
and there was something about paging giving you an error when there were no more records |
| 05:05 |
|
dcook |
These are fundamental core problems |
| 05:05 |
|
dcook |
Yep |
| 05:06 |
|
dcook |
Actually, no, I haven't seen that |
| 05:06 |
|
dcook |
The resumption tokens don't appear to work when using dates with times though |
| 05:07 |
|
dcook |
Including item information would be easy |
| 05:07 |
|
dcook |
Showing deleted records wouldn't be too hard either |
| 05:08 |
|
cait |
can only tell you the problems we ran into |
| 05:08 |
|
dcook |
Sorry |
| 05:08 |
|
dcook |
I appreciate you telling me that :) |
| 05:08 |
|
* dcook |
is just unreasonably frustrated and didn't mean to direct his frustration your way |
| 05:08 |
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| 05:09 |
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cait |
it's ok ;) |
| 05:12 |
|
dcook |
I guess I'll fix the resumption tokens... |
| 05:13 |
|
* dcook |
feels like he's slowly becoming the oai guru... |
| 05:13 |
|
mtj |
hmm, there is a bug around the version number stuff - its not just me being stupid |
| 05:13 |
|
dcook |
Maybe because no one else cares about oai :p |
| 05:19 |
|
dcook |
Now that I look at everything again...I think I finally understand... |
| 05:19 |
|
dcook |
Wait...no, it still wouldn't have worked... |
| 05:20 |
|
dcook |
Maybe bug 10824 isn't relevant if we consider Koha to just handle a granularity of YYYY-MM-DD... |
| 05:20 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10824 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , OAI-PMH repository/server not handling time in "from" argument |
| 05:20 |
|
dcook |
But the resumption token thing is still busted.. |
| 05:24 |
|
dcook |
huzzah. Changing the colons to slashes fixes the resumption token issue.. |
| 05:26 |
|
cait |
mtj: but local database updates are evil...;) |
| 05:26 |
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cait |
dcook: yay! |
| 05:30 |
|
mtj |
sure, but also unavoidable cait |
| 05:30 |
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cait |
hm it depends |
| 05:31 |
|
* dcook |
tries to avoid local database changes these days |
| 05:31 |
|
cait |
we have been able to avoid it so far - but we are very cautious about local changes |
| 05:31 |
|
dcook |
Most of the time these days, I tell people that I'm happy to make changes to the database, but only after they've been vetted and pushed by the community first |
| 05:32 |
|
dcook |
Not always possible though |
| 05:34 |
|
cait |
args. |
| 05:34 |
|
cait |
i really have to clean up my addressbook |
| 05:39 |
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mtj |
so, are any koha devs/companies actually using some system for 'local' version numbers for DB updates? |
| 05:40 |
|
cait |
we don't |
| 05:40 |
|
cait |
and i have to run and import patron data :) |
| 05:40 |
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cait |
bbl |
| 05:40 |
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| 05:41 |
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dcook |
mtj: Maybe catalyst? |
| 05:42 |
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dcook |
We track our db changes separately |
| 05:49 |
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mtj |
theres a bug in the TransformToNum() sub, that stops 'local' versions from being evaluated correctly |
| 05:50 |
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mtj |
# remove the 3 last . to have a Perl number |
| 05:50 |
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mtj |
$version =~ s/(.*\..*)\.(.*)\.(.*)/$1$2$3/; |
| 05:51 |
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mtj |
….and its been about since version 3.00.00 :p |
| 05:53 |
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dcook |
:/ |
| 05:55 |
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dcook |
bug 10974 |
| 05:55 |
|
huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10974 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , OAI-PMH Resumption Tokens Do Not Handle Time |
| 05:55 |
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dcook |
If anyone wants a super easy sign off... |
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* mtompset |
grumbles about reindexing on 512MB of memory with no swap space and 53K+ records failing because of some malformed tag, and requiring using a script that inserts everything into the zebraqueue. |
| 06:05 |
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dcook |
Doesn't sound like fun, mtompset |
| 06:05 |
|
dcook |
Although you'll be glad when you've cleaned up the marcxml :) |
| 06:05 |
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mtompset |
It's not. |
| 06:05 |
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mtompset |
Here's the thing. |
| 06:06 |
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mtompset |
It all indexes fine running this script. |
| 06:06 |
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mtompset |
It does not reindex nicely otherwise. |
| 06:06 |
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mtompset |
I should, at some point in time, try to determine the exact record it is barfing on. |
| 06:06 |
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* dcook |
nods |
| 06:07 |
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dcook |
Especially if you're using the XSLTs |
| 06:07 |
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dcook |
I've had sneaky bad bibs get in and it's not pretty |
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* magnuse |
waves |
| 06:29 |
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dcook |
hey ya magnuse |
| 06:31 |
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magnuse |
hiya dcook |
| 06:34 |
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Oak |
magnuse |
| 06:34 |
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Oak |
kia ora #koha |
| 06:34 |
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dcook |
hey Oak |
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magnuse |
Oak |
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* magnuse |
is too slow |
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Oak |
:) |
| 06:37 |
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Oak |
hey dcook |
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marcelr |
hi #koha |
| 06:41 |
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marcelr |
kf++ #qa |
| 06:42 |
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Oak |
kf++ |
| 06:42 |
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magnuse |
kf++ |
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* dcook |
succumbs to peer pressure |
| 06:44 |
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dcook |
kf++ |
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magnuse |
hehe |
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marcelr |
hi magnuse dcook and oak |
| 06:46 |
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dcook |
hey ya marcelr :) |
| 06:47 |
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magnuse |
hiya marcelr |
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Oak |
Ahoy marcelr |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
| 06:48 |
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wahanui |
hi, gaetan_B |
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Oak |
\o |
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magnuse |
tee hee http://www.nerdmeritbadges.com/ |
| 06:57 |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on September 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
@wunder marseille |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 16.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on September 30, 2013). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:58 |
|
j_wright |
what's the state of Pg support in Koha? |
| 06:58 |
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magnuse |
j_wright: there is none |
| 06:58 |
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rangi |
not entirely true |
| 06:59 |
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magnuse |
oops, listen to rangi, not me |
| 06:59 |
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rangi |
with bug 8798 |
| 06:59 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P3, ---, elliott, In Discussion , Add the use of DBIx::Class |
| 06:59 |
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rangi |
you can deploy to postgresql, and it mostly works |
| 07:00 |
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rangi |
once thats pushed we can clean out the last of the mysqlisms, there are very few left |
| 07:00 |
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dcook |
\o/ |
| 07:00 |
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rangi |
it currently works fine on mariadb too |
| 07:00 |
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magnuse |
\o/ |
| 07:00 |
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rangi |
pg support is nice, but its not a massive priority |
| 07:01 |
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j_wright |
well clearing out the mysqlisms would enable more than Pg support |
| 07:04 |
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rangi |
yep, there arent many |
| 07:04 |
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rangi |
but again, its not a massive priority |
| 07:04 |
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* dcook |
wonders what the massive priorities are |
| 07:05 |
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dcook |
Not that I disagree. I'm just curious :p |
| 07:05 |
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magnuse |
plack |
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magnuse |
dbic |
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magnuse |
stable master |
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rangi |
yep |
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magnuse |
is what i'd say ;-) |
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rangi |
id agree with that |
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magnuse |
yay! :-) |
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j_wright |
would be sad to be using DBIC and still be Mysql-bound |
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rangi |
we are transitioning to maria |
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rangi |
if we get pg support as an aside, all well and good, but its not one of my priorities |
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rangi |
because for the library user, it gains them nothing |
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reiveune |
hello |
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rangi |
and that should be our priority |
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dcook |
^^ |
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dcook |
rangi++ |
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samueld |
hi everybody |
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dcook |
hey samueld |
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magnuse |
bonjour samueld and reiveune |
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reiveune |
\o/ |
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rangi |
hi samueld and reiveune |
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samueld |
hi magnuse |
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j_wright |
pity mariadb doesn't work optimally unless you have ucontext |
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samueld |
is it normal that when i create a categorycode in koha, it is written automatically in upper case instead of lower case? |
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rangi |
yes, its supposed to be samueld |
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magnuse |
there is some js that transforms it to uppercase automagically, i think |
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samueld |
example, i write 'employee" and it is transformed in "EMPLOYEE", that's for why i've some problems to connect koha to the ldap |
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magnuse |
ouch |
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magnuse |
yeah, i was just thinking a couple days ago that forcing uppercase seemed a little heavy handed |
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samueld |
is it a bug? |
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dcook |
Time for me to run. Night/day all. |
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magnuse |
samueld: i would think the js was implemented as a feature, not by accident ;-) |
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samueld |
ok, so, it can be changed |
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magnuse |
cait++ bgkriegel++ for bug 10965 and bug 10969 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10965 major, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Passed QA , Sample itemtypes can't load on new install |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10969 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Fix sample itemtypes for translated installers |
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magnuse |
mysqlf-- for breaking sample item types |
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magnuse |
gah |
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magnuse |
myself-- |
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marcelr |
interesting typo, magnuse: no fan of mysql ? |
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marcelr |
) |
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marcelr |
:) |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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magnuse |
mysqld is not too bad, but i positively hate mysqlf ;-) |
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paxed |
any dev got some time to help me resolve a problem? after install, can't go to maintenance.pl because i get "Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2/DBI.pm line 2058." |
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paxed |
ergh. right, forgot port 8080, derp. |
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paxed |
that should really complain something else if the db is "missing" ...) |
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* magnuse |
waves again |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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magnuse |
kia ora oleonard |
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magnuse |
ooh, shiny new buttons on the cataloguing page! |
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magnuse |
is it just me, or is marcflavour missing from the new, alphabetically sorted sysprefs.sql? |
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marcelr |
magnuse: isn't that a specific choice in webinstaller? |
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marcelr |
it should not be in that file |
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magnuse |
ah yes, that could be it |
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magnuse |
thanks marcelr |
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magnuse |
but at least marcflavour will never be "usmarc", right? |
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marcelr |
marc21 |
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marcelr |
uppercase |
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marcelr |
normarc is one of the big three :) |
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magnuse |
w00t! |
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marcelr |
holmarc never made it ;) |
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magnuse |
aww... |
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magnuse |
Bug 10975 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10975 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , addbiblio.pl checks if marcflavour equals "usmarc" |
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marcelr |
somewhere a title is not filled in the template |
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marcelr |
good catch |
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marcelr |
apparently, it does not hurt much |
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magnuse |
been like that since 2007, i think :-) |
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marcelr |
magnuse: the situation seems to corrected by a later line: $template->param( title => $record->title() ) if ( $record ne "-1" ); |
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marcelr |
in the code more below the first line |
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marcelr |
without the usmarc check |
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kivilahtio__ |
Hi I was migrating items to Koha and realized that the itemnumber was not preserved. I used C4::Items::_koha_new_item() to migrate items. Would it be acceptable if I extended that function to push the itemnumber to DB as well if it is present? |
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kivilahtio__ |
just installing my git environment and figuring stuff out |
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marcelr |
magnuse: no sorry there is an exit in between |
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kivilahtio__ |
or maybe there is a more stylish alternative for migrating items using the Koha API? |
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marcelr |
so in a specific case it should not appear |
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magnuse |
kivilahtio__: why would you need or want to preserve the itemnumbers? |
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kivilahtio__ |
magnuse: so we can target our circulations and holds to our items |
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kivilahtio__ |
and fines |
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kivilahtio__ |
we migrate it all |
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magnuse |
kivilahtio__: use barcodes for the matching instead? |
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kivilahtio__ |
magnuse: our barcodes are not 100% reliable |
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magnuse |
marcelr: it's all yours if you want to fix it ;-) |
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kivilahtio__ |
magnuse: but that is a good idea |
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marcelr |
magnuse: after you please.. i have so much to fix already :) |
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magnuse |
marcelr: me too :-/ |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
not sure if the webinstaller creates the syspref or only updates it |
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marcelr |
hi kf |
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marcelr |
$installer->set_marcflavour_syspref($marcflavour); ? |
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kf |
guess you checked :) |
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kf |
sorry was afk until now |
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kf |
and hi marcelr |
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marcelr |
my $request = $self->{'dbh'}->prepare( "INSERT IGNORE INTO `systempreferences` (variable,value,explanation,options,type) VALUES('marcflavour','$marc_cleaned','Define global MARC flavor (MARC21, UNIMARC or NORMARC) used for character encoding','MARC21|UNIMARC|NORMARC','Choice');" ); |
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marcelr |
kf: i did now |
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marcelr |
code from Installer.pm |
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marcelr |
so that is fine |
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kf |
yep |
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magnuse |
yay! |
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magnuse |
in other news, i would hesitate to call addbiblio.pl "fine"... |
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marcelr |
fine finer finest |
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marcelr |
cya |
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mtompset |
12 hours reindexing... and still not done. Oh the pain! |
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smeagol |
Hi all, does anyone know if localuse syspref counts items that are checked in to koha to trigger a HOLD to waiting status? thanks, as always |
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Barrc |
Hey all - are odd Koha version numbers still considered unstable/dev releases? I ask cause I just ran a package install and then koha-install-log say "KOHA_INSTALLED_VERSION=3.12.05.000" |
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jcamins |
Barrc: the second number is the one that marks stable/development. |
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Barrc |
Of course it does........half asleep here, thanks! |
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banana |
wizzyrea++ -> "we would only include other Open Source projects" |
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kivilahtio__ |
hey I cannot duplicate the field 001 in "Administration" -> "Koha to Marc mapping". I need to explicitly define the field 001 to biblio.biblionumber, biblioitem.biblionumber and biblioitem.biblioitemnumber but I can apparently only assign it once |
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kivilahtio__ |
I would like to preserve our old database id sitting in $001 |
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jcamins |
kivilahtio__: you should not be mapping biblioitem.biblionumber, and biblioitemnumber != biblioitem.biblionumber |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: ERROR: Adding biblio failed: No biblionumber tag for framework "" |
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jcamins |
Personally, I wouldn't do that. |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: hmm, I thought I understood that much from reading the bulmarcimport.pl code |
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jcamins |
You're also going to have to use a custom Zebra configuration. |
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kivilahtio__ |
default id is in $999, but we have it in $001 |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: wow I don't want to do that :D |
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jcamins |
That's what I thought. That's why I leave biblionumber in 999$c and biblioitemnumber in 999$d. |
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kivilahtio__ |
so if I want to keep our existing dabase id's I just need to sucker it up and migrate them in the $999? |
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rambuten |
jcamins: can you kick rambutan for me? |
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jcamins |
You can try that. I'm actually not sure how well it will work. |
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rambutan was kicked by jcamins: rambutan |
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jcamins |
Done. |
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rambuten |
strangely it won't let me assume that nick now |
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kivilahtio__ |
rambuten: maybe it is still reserved? |
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kivilahtio__ |
rambuten: maybe wait a bit? |
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jcamins |
rambuten: rambutan may not have left the network yet. |
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jcamins |
rambuten: if it's registered, you can use /ghost rambutan, I think. |
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rambuten |
somebody has copyrighted it, but they never seem to be online |
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jcamins |
Oh. |
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rambuten |
I never have problems getting the nick, but it's no big deal |
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rambuten |
jcamins: you didn't kick ban, did you? |
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kf |
kivilahtio__: messing with the ids will bring you all kinds of headache later |
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jcamins |
rambuten: nope. |
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kf |
kivilahtio__: we never preserve old ids in migrations, but uor 001 are unique from a union catalog. We only store the ids from former systems in some fields so looking them up would be possible |
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kivilahtio__ |
kf: lol I cant set my mappings back to the defaults! Ok I'll try the $999 route |
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kivilahtio__ |
but this might be really hard when merging biblios and items |
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kivilahtio__ |
I just save my new mappings but nothing happens... |
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jcamins |
kivilahtio__: how often do you merge bibs and items? |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: well it takes time to rewite the scripts. I was hoping to reuse some Koha parts which use the biblionumber. |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: ok I just realized my logical mistake |
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kivilahtio__ |
bah ui misunderstanding |
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rambuten |
didn't the old koha-community have a search field on the main page |
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rambuten |
? |
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jcamins |
I think so, yeah. |
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rambuten |
kinda annoying to have to do a google search to find something on a given site. |
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jcamins |
We could probably add it back below "Community Resources." |
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rambuten |
apparently no presentation schedule yet? |
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jcamins |
For the conference? |
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jcamins |
There is. |
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rambuten |
it's not exactly jumping out at me on any of the pages I see |
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jcamins |
Yeah, the KohaCon13 pages are kind of unusable. There's one somewhere, though. |
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rambuten |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]KohaCon13_Program |
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jcamins |
That's the one. |
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kf |
hackfest? |
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wahanui |
hackfest is awesome! Group motivated koha hacking is the best koha hacking :) |
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kf |
I will try to send out an email about the hackfest planning tomorrow or so I think |
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kf |
hackfest13 is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohacon13/Hackfest |
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kf |
hackfest13? |
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wahanui |
hackfest13 is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohacon13/Hackfest |
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kf |
jcamins: i think oyu are around the first day of the hackfest? |
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jcamins |
I am, yes. |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
you could talk about the awesome query parser |
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kf |
or... |
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rambuten |
I'm gratified to see that coffee break sessions are will represented. I wonder if I could offer to bring/have purchased some better-than-your-average-bear coffee, like Eight O' Clock |
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rambuten |
will/well |
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jeff |
jcamins: Would you consider yourself a good person whose brain I could pick about Koha and Plack? |
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kivilahtio__ |
jeff :) |
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jeff |
jcamins: for starters, the "coding for plack" idea on the hackfest wiki page has me wondering what the current state of plack is in koha? |
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jeff |
kivilahtio__: greetings! |
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jcamins |
jeff: probably one of the best you're going to get, anyway. |
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rambuten |
no speed talks @kohacon13 ? |
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jcamins |
jeff: most things work under Plack. |
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jeff |
jcamins: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack and the referenced bug 7172 both seem somewhat dormant. Is that because the work's done, or because there hasn't been much progress to note lately? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7172 major, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Omnibus for Plack variable scoping problems |
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jcamins |
At this point I think we've addressed all the variable scoping issues, mostly with terrible bandaids. |
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jcamins |
The only things that absolutely don't work under Plack are database export, and the progress bar for importing records. |
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jcamins |
However, Koha under Plack is still a bit brittle. |
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jeff |
jcamins: I understand that Plack has support for running (most, with some assumptions/fixes) CGI-style scripts under PSGI using Plack::App::CGIBin. Are you aware of anything that does the reverse -- takes a script that speaks PSGI and allows it to run under a CGI environment? |
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jeff |
jcamins: That last one isn't Koha-specific at all, sorry. :-) |
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jcamins |
jeff: I am not. |
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kf |
bye all |
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jeff |
Thanks. It was worth a shot. I had this dream of writing a script that talks PSGI and then in the README says "if you must run this under a CGI environment, do XYZ" |
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jcamins |
There may be something. |
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jcamins |
I know very little about native-PSGI applications. |
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kivilahtio__ |
hey there is something wrong with the bulkmarcimport.pl script. There seems to be no way of pushing the old biblio id to the biblionumber! The marc mappings don't do anything since the database accessor functions don't even touch the biblionumber column! in C4::Biblio::_koha_add_biblio() |
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kivilahtio__ |
biblionumber is picked fine up until that function, where nothing is done upon the biblionumber? I mean there should be a way to map the biblionumber? |
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kivilahtio__ |
anyway, I'm going home |
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kivilahtio__ |
Issues is that the biblionumber is correctly brought up to the database accessor function but it is not stored in the DB, but a new one is generated from the database primary key sequence |
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kf |
kivilahtio__: there is probably not |
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j_wright |
jeff: Plack::Handler::CGI |
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kf |
kivilahtio__: koha gives the bilbionumber, it's not supposed that you bring your own |
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kf |
kivilahtio__: it's not made to do what you want |
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kivilahtio__ |
kf: But that is what the bulkmarcimport uses from "Koha to MARC mapping" |
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kf |
the 999 are special |
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kf |
see bug 6113 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6113 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , enhancement to keep previous ids |
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kf |
i am still not sure it's a good idea |
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kivilahtio__ |
kf: if I can't have a biblionumber set in biblio-table, how can I link my items, when they have the biblionumber in them pointing to the parent record? |
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j_wright |
jeff: XYZ is, rename app.psgi to app.cgi, change the shebang line to #!/usr/bin/env plackup or the three lines from the POD |
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jcamins |
kivilahtio__: what do you mean by "link your items"? |
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jcamins |
That sounds like a one-time task. |
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kf |
you can have a biblionumber, of course you need one, but we let koha set them. |
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kivilahtio__ |
kf: I cant migrate holdings with the marc records |
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kivilahtio__ |
kf: just too much reworking our migration tool |
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kf |
you could write a script that looked up the number |
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kf |
that#s what we do |
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kf |
we store the former id in a custom field and then look it up |
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kf |
well for other migrations, for items + biblio we attach the items as 952 |
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kf |
and import them with the marc records |
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jcamins |
I'd prepare MARC records that included the items prior to the import. |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: well we have component parts with links from 773w -> 001 of the parent |
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kivilahtio__ |
we cant change the database id |
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kf |
and if you use an sql script... i would carry the number you need for linking in another custom field and adapt the sql accordingly |
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kf |
kivilahtio__: 001 has nothing to do with biblionumber |
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jcamins |
773$w->001 doesn't use biblionumber. |
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kivilahtio__ |
but our legacy data has that linkage |
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jcamins |
Right, and that's not biblionumber. |
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kf |
we do exactly that in koha |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: so where does 773w point in koha? |
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kf |
linkings from 001 to $w subfields |
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jcamins |
The 001 field. |
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kf |
the 001 of the host record |
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kf |
which is not the bilbionumber |
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jcamins |
Remember, Koha and EG treat records rather differently. |
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kivilahtio__ |
kf: but why cant they be the same? they are bu definition the same thing? |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: I hope I understood that better |
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jcamins |
Whereas EG does a lot at the database level, Koha's bibliographic relationships are controlled only at the MARC level, in Zebra. |
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kf |
kivilahtio__: I don't think there is a definitoin that your internal record number has to match the controlnumber |
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kf |
and they could be the same thing, but it doesn't matter for yourl inking, for your linking it's only important that you keep your 001 and $w subfields intact |
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kivilahtio__ |
kf: ok |
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kf |
kivilahtio__: the link above is a result list of articles |
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kf |
as an example |
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kivilahtio__ |
kf: but what is the handicap for using our legacy id's? I have a solution in mind for that already and I think I could du that bug which was posted |
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kivilahtio__ |
programmatically it is not a problem, but I feel there are some sinister drawbacks to not using the in-DB primary key sequence? |
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kf |
what happens if koha assigns the next number? |
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kf |
are your legacy ids strictly numeric? |
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kivilahtio__ |
kf: I cant link holdins records to the bibliographic record |
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kivilahtio__ |
kf: yes |
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kivilahtio__ |
starting from 1001 -> |
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kivilahtio__ |
well within the databse id range |
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kf |
some people have voted for that bug - i am not a fan, but i just think meddling with the numbes is prone to create headache later |
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jeff |
j_wright++ -- thanks! (re: Plack pointers) |
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kivilahtio__ |
kf: I am only afraid of zebra |
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jcamins |
I think making it possible to keep 001 as biblionumber would be nice, but not really necessary. |
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kf |
hm there is also a bug for that |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: I understand. But for me it is easier to just keep the 001 as a biblionumber :D |
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kivilahtio__ |
and make this odd bugfix while at it |
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jcamins |
kivilahtio__: it is almost surely not easier. |
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kf |
bug 9921 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nunyo, Patch doesn't apply , Make it possible to force 001 = biblionumber |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: so what risks do you see in keeping the 001 matching the biblionumber and itemnumber? |
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jcamins |
kivilahtio__: nothing, the problem is making the biblionumber match the 001. |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: we use a strict integer, 0< |
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jcamins |
If you have a single bad record, a single inconsistency, you are likely to trash your database. |
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jcamins |
Itemnumber is of course unrelated. |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: why? we have staggered numbers, some records have been deleted on they fly, so our id sequence would be like 1001,1002,1004,1006,1007,1008,1009,1011 |
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kf |
hm sorry have to leave |
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kf |
bye all |
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kivilahtio__ |
kf: Thakns for your help! |
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jcamins |
kivilahtio__: what happens when it turns out your previous system actually had a duplicate 001? |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: well the biblionumber is primary key, so it cannot be dubplicated. Mysql deals with it |
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kivilahtio__ |
so the legacy record is not migrated |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: it can be manually migrated later |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: this happens occasionally and I dont see an issue with that |
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jcamins |
You'd have to make it optional, because data from Voyager, III, and most other ILSes that I have encountered does not consistently have 001 set correctly. |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: or in our case we collect the erroes in a huge log and manually clean up our databsae as we proceed with the migration |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: naturally |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: Ill start working on that patch tomorrow |
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jcamins |
As I said, I have no objection to you adding this feature, I just think that it's likely to not work nearly as well as you imagine. |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: but it is good to know there are no Zebra related dangers |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: if the only problem is the purity of the 001, then it will work for us |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: And I would rather have this work for us in the master Koha |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: so others could benefit as well |
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jcamins |
The other danger I can see is primary key exhaustion. |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: Agreed |
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jcamins |
001 is often an arbitrarily large number. |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: but the primary key can be compressed, it is a big script but doable when the time comes |
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kivilahtio__ |
just need to realign all the foreign key references |
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kivilahtio__ |
and force full reindex of Zebra |
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jcamins |
So if you import one record that has a 001 of 2147483646, you've just killed your database. |
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jcamins |
No, I mean in MySQL. |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: we dont have that big id's |
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jcamins |
You'll want to make *very* sure of that. |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: I am sure Mysql takes care of its boundary values. But I will write a warning about that to the help |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: do you really think MySQL goes crazy if you push it's integer boundaries? |
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jcamins |
No. |
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jcamins |
But Koha will. |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: ahhh :D |
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kivilahtio__ |
jcamins: well I got your Koha INT_MAX :D |
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rambuten |
Is the NCIP protocol specification finalized? |
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jeff |
i'm not sure which of the last three words to mockingly place in quotation marks. |
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jeff |
(sorry, snark is often not helpful) |
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jeff |
rambuten: there are at least three currently published versions of the NCIP standard, and I suspect you could consider all of them finalized. see http://www.ncip.info/the-standard.html |
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rambuten |
Yea, I was just looking at that site. |
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oleonard |
Why do you ask rambuten? RDA is far from final but people are already "using" it |
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rambuten |
We funding a PAC development, and the dev had some questions. |
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rambuten |
We're |
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oleonard |
Can you say more? |
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jeff |
The other aspect to consider is that the NCIP standard defines a protocol of sorts, which is used to imeplement one or more Application Profiles. Some of those Application Profiles have various "flavors" in the wild, when it comes to interacting with specific software. |
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oleonard |
Even in the open source world, people are often mum |
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jeff |
What aspect of NCIP relates to your PAC development (or vice versa)? |
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rambuten |
Well, the PACs will authenticate to the Koha (and we hope to incorporate/test w/ Evergreen too) db server. |
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rambuten |
SIP is a given, and probably NCIP will be included too. |
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jeff |
ah. just to be clear, can you define what you mean by "PAC" in this context? |
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rambuten |
Public Access Computing - public Internet computers |
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jeff |
Since both Evergreen and Koha do a good job of speaking SIP2, I'd almost suggest leaving it at that. Is there any particular reason you're thinking about supporting NCIP? Do you want to talk to other things that do talk NCIP and do not talk SIP2? |
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rambuten |
No, but "more is better", right? And there may be weird things out there that don't come to mind immediately where admins would prefer to use NCIP. |
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jcamins |
You should ask dyrcona about NCIP. |
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rambuten |
OK, next time I see him online I'll ping him. |
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jcamins |
Not to say that jeff doesn't know about NCIP. He might. |
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jcamins |
But I know dyrcona was working on NCIP a few weeks ago. |
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jeff |
Keep in mind that neither Evergreen nor Koha currently speak NCIP "out of the box". If you don't have a particular need for it, I'd say leave room/hooks/whatnot for future enhancement, but leave it at that. :-) |
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rambuten |
Wish KohaCon13 was having speed talks, I'd love to throw up some slides. |
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mtompset |
rambuten: Sometimes less is more. :) |
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jcamins |
rambuten: are you staying for the hackfest? |
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rambuten |
no, sadly |
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rambuten |
gmcharlt: about? Any NCIP comments? |
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cait1 |
rambuten: why not drop nancy a mail suggesting that? |
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rambuten |
hummm |
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cait1 |
there might be some changes in the program last minute, you neve rknow |
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gmcharlt |
rambuten: briefly, because I'm in the weeds at the moment, you might want to consider joining http://lists.mvlc.org/listinfo/ncip-dev |
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jeff |
There is an implementation of an NCIP 1.0 responder (intended for use with Evergreen and III's INN-REACH) here: https://github.com/jonscott/iNCIPit (with at least one more up to date fork available) and I believe Dyrcona and rangi and possibly others are collaborating on code here: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?[…]ver.git;a=summary |
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jeff |
there's a developers-only list at the url gmcharlt posted (though others can supposedly lurk, as i understand it), and a document describing it at... |
| 19:38 |
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jeff |
ah, here: NCIP Responder Design: https://docs.google.com/docume[…]K2a51lotgSsU/edit |
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* jeff |
sends sympathy gmcharlt's way -- good luck in the weeds |
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gaetan_B |
bye ! |
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* jeff |
returns to making iNCIPit.cgi more useful |
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mtj |
jeff, have you spotted rangi's ncip repo on github? -> https://github.com/ranginui/ncip-server-chris |
| 19:53 |
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rambuten |
Does everybody have an NCIP dev/blog going on? |
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jeff |
mtj: I hadn't, thanks. It seems to be a currently outdated additional remote for the repo I linked earlier, http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?[…]ver.git;a=summary |
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mtj |
ah, ok… i just spotted it on #koha yesterday :) |
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* jeff |
stars/watches |
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jeff |
mtj: thanks. :-) |
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rangi |
jeff: thats just a mirror |
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rangi |
http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?[…]ng/NCIPServer.git |
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rangi |
its a collab between koha and evergreen people |
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cait1 |
very cool :) |
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rangi |
my repo runs a little ahead, then gets merged |
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rangi |
but its getting there |
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jeff |
rangi: thanks for the clarification. that's what it looked like, but i wasn't certain. |
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jeff |
well, i suppose "wasn't certain" isn't entirely accurate, but I'm not going to worry about being that precise. :P |
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jcamins |
Ooh, good news everyone! My library school has just added a course on Dialog to their schedule for the fall! |
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cait1 |
wow |
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cait1 |
was dialog that query langauge for expensive databases? |
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rangi |
? |
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* cait1 |
should just look it up before asking stupid questions |
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jcamins |
Dialog _is_ the expensive database. |
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jcamins |
I only know of one thing that it is still used for regularly: citation searches for tenure applications. |
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jcamins |
Spending a small fortune per search somehow doesn't appeal to most people. |
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cait1 |
oh |
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jcamins |
Weird, eh? |
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cait1 |
it just sounded vaguely familiar |
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cait1 |
possible other databases use their syntax or something? |
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cait1 |
i remember carefully preparing searched than trying to be done really really fast with less possible searches from library school |
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cait1 |
searches |
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wahanui |
searches are rendered client-side, particularly if you click the knowledge trail maps on the right. |
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jcamins |
Yeah, that's Dialog. |
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cait1 |
searches then... typos... :( |
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cait1 |
glad you still got it |
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cait1 |
:) |
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magnuse |
rangi: did you ditch Dancer for NCIP, or is that another piece of the puzzle? |
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rambuten |
http://www.wired.com/wiredente[…]endarmerie_linux/ |
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eythian |
hi |
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wahanui |
que tal, eythian |
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rangi |
its another piece of the puzzle |
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rangi |
so, there is the NCIPServer.pm |
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rangi |
which is called by bin/start_server.pl |
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rangi |
that runs raw |
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rangi |
then NCIPResponder.pm |
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rangi |
is for the mod_perl implementation |
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rangi |
NCIP needs to do both raw and http(s) to be a full implementation |
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rangi |
im going to do a dancer wrapper too |
| 21:17 |
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wizzyrea |
the authority magnifying glasses - can you turn those off? |
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cait1 |
css |
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wizzyrea |
ok cool ty |
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cait1 |
:) |
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wizzyrea |
didn't know if that was a syspref or a hack your way around it thing./ |
| 21:20 |
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cait1 |
hm i think the css here is intended |
| 21:20 |
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cait1 |
for that purpose |
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cait1 |
instead of adding another pref |
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wizzyrea |
yep that's fine |
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wizzyrea |
Just needed to know :) |
| 21:20 |
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cait1 |
so... does someone know why i have no log files appearing in my koha-dev/var/logs? :( |
| 21:20 |
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wizzyrea |
gitified? |
| 21:21 |
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cait1 |
no, stlil haven't got around to try that |
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wizzyrea |
bc if it's a gitified dev environment the logs will be where the packages keep them. |
| 21:24 |
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cait1 |
rangi++ |
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cait1 |
restartedapache, now it works |
| 21:28 |
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cait1 |
anyone feeling like they really want to do me a big favour? :) |
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cait1 |
and order and receive an something on current master? |
| 21:30 |
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cait1 |
eythian: guess now you will have to come back here and buy him a beer? ;) |
| 21:31 |
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eythian |
cait1: guess I will :) |
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cait1 |
:) |
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bag |
manual? |
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wahanui |
manual is, like, at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation |
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bag |
anybody able to get that to load for them ^^^^ |
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jcamins |
@isitdown koha-community.org |
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huginn |
jcamins: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
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eythian |
bag: not working for me |
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jcamins |
bag: Looks like it's down. |
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cait1 |
hi bag |
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bag |
thanks for me too |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: is that something you can poke at? |
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wizzyrea |
yep |
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bag |
hey cait |
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rangi |
gmcharlt: you around? |
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wizzyrea |
that should be back |
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rambuten |
gmcharlt is in the weeds |
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wizzyrea |
oh look you're all checking to see if I'm telling the truth >.> |
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rambuten |
http://www.koha-community.org/documentation <- works for me |
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wizzyrea |
Someone just slamming it with Joomla attacks. Silly people, that won't work it's wordpress. :P |
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wizzyrea |
well it obviously *did* work as a denial of service heh. |
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rambuten |
koha-community you mean? |
| 22:34 |
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wizzyrea |
yep |
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bag |
thanks wizzyrea |
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bag |
@later tell cait - http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10486 updates added like requested :) |
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huginn |
bag: The operation succeeded. |
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huginn |
Bug 10486: new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC |
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dcook |
Hmm, anyone have any back-ups of the LoC website? :p |
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jcamins |
dcook: yeah, see code4lib. :) |
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jcamins |
Well, except for Z39.50. You're SOL there. |
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dcook |
Where am I looking for code4lib? |
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jcamins |
The mailing list. |
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wahanui |
the mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
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jcamins |
http://stuff.coffeecode.net/www.loc.gov/marc/ |
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dcook |
Intriguing |
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dcook |
Thanks for the link |
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dcook |
I actually don't see anything in the mailing list. Hmm. *shrug* |
| 23:46 |
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dcook |
Well, except the system halt message |
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jcamins |
It's the last message in the HEADS UP thread. |
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dcook |
Ah, it probably just hasn't come in my mailbox yet |
| 23:48 |
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dcook |
As with all things, I get the digests |
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dcook |
"The Evergreen and Koha integrated library systems now express their record details in the schema.org vocabulary out of the box using RDFa. " |
| 23:58 |
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dcook |
Ummm, what? |
| 23:58 |
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dcook |
I don't recall seeing RDFa anywhere in Koha... |
| 23:59 |
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jcamins |
Run a detail record through Google's rich snippets tool. |
