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rambutan |
what sporting event is being discussed? 9-11 would seem to not be soccer, not basketball |
| 00:07 |
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tcohen |
a tennis tie-break |
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bgkriegel |
bye |
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mtompset |
Have a great day, #koha. |
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cait |
good morning #koha |
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cait |
bgkriegel++ |
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cait |
signed off 46! |
| 09:02 |
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* cait |
feels a little like that guy with the hill and the stone at times |
| 09:02 |
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cait |
but i had asked for it... |
| 10:40 |
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cait |
native speaker around? |
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rambutan |
It's morning. |
| 13:33 |
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cait |
goodmornign rambutan :) |
| 13:35 |
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cait |
jcamins helped me out already - jcamins++ |
| 13:56 |
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rambutan |
I thhink you and jcamins must be on #koha 24/7 |
| 13:57 |
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cait |
I am not going to comment on this :) |
| 13:58 |
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rambutan |
I should go check on my pancakes, brb |
| 14:01 |
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| 14:29 |
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rambutan |
jenkins? |
| 14:29 |
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wahanui |
somebody said jenkins was http://jenkins.koha-community.org/ |
| 14:32 |
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rambutan |
image of jenkins reminds me of Jeeves (askjeeves) |
| 14:38 |
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rambutan |
How does the distributed build work in Jenkins? |
| 14:39 |
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cait |
rambutan: I think i am the wrong one to ask this :) |
| 14:39 |
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cait |
as far as i unddrstand it... there are different servers doing different builds and reporting back? |
| 14:40 |
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rambutan |
yea, but what in Jenkins actually sets this up? I'm reading the docs, but haven't found anything yet about |
| 14:40 |
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rambutan |
distribuiting the build over difference CPUs |
| 14:41 |
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cait |
i think one build is done by one server |
| 14:41 |
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cait |
another does the test suite iwth mariadb and so on |
| 14:42 |
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rambutan |
OK, so it's not really a distributed task manager then. |
| 14:42 |
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cait |
not sure |
| 14:42 |
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rambutan |
More like Boinc then |
| 14:44 |
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cait |
to me it looks like both are very different software |
| 14:45 |
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rambutan |
yea, but conceptually the functionality must be analogous |
| 14:45 |
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rambutan |
this is interesting - trigger builds by email |
| 14:45 |
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rambutan |
jenkins-foo: "|/bin/wget -o /dev/null http://YOURHOST/jenkins/job/PROJECTNAME/build" |
| 14:48 |
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rambutan |
wonder if we're using mavin |
| 14:48 |
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rambutan |
Maven |
| 14:48 |
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rambutan |
Ah Ha! Eureka! https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/di[…]istributed+builds |
| 14:49 |
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rambutan |
Wonder who hosts Jenkins Master? |
| 14:49 |
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cait |
rangi does |
| 14:50 |
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rambutan |
ah |
| 14:50 |
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rambutan |
appears quite simple to add/manage slaves |
| 14:52 |
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rambutan |
of course, jenkins is all java, there must be just a little twitch factor there :) |
| 14:55 |
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rambutan |
OK, so we're not compiling Perl, so what does a "build" actually do? |
| 14:56 |
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jcamins |
rambutan: it runs the complete installation process and all the unit tests. |
| 14:56 |
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rambutan |
ic ic |
| 14:56 |
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jcamins |
And a sub-task generates a package. |
| 14:56 |
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rambutan |
so that means it's running a shell script |
| 14:57 |
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jcamins |
continuous integration? |
| 14:57 |
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rambutan |
OK, this is easy as cake |
| 14:57 |
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jcamins |
continuous integration is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nuous_Integration |
| 14:57 |
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jcamins |
That has the build script. |
| 14:59 |
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rambutan |
Wish I could have attended that (Chris') presentation |
| 15:40 |
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rambutan |
@later tell rangi do VM's work OK as Jenkins slaves, or is bare metal preferred? |
| 15:40 |
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huginn |
rambutan: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:55 |
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rambutan |
@later tell rangi How many Jenkins slaves are we currently running? |
| 15:55 |
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huginn |
rambutan: The operation succeeded. |
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cait |
bgkriegel++ :) |
| 17:22 |
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bgkriegel |
now for what? :) |
| 17:23 |
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bgkriegel |
thx :) |
| 17:24 |
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bgkriegel |
you have been very busy! cait++ |
| 17:24 |
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cait |
not busy enough :) |
| 17:24 |
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cait |
still 13 enh/new features remaining |
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| 18:26 |
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cait1 |
t |
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bgkriegel |
:) |
| 18:26 |
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bgkriegel |
done 10854 |
| 18:28 |
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cait |
bgkriegel++ :) |
| 18:49 |
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bgkriegel |
cait: 10969. Russian file has a TRUNCATE, but can't be truncated because foreign key constraint, so 1) remove truncate or 2) replace with delete 3) lift constraint for that sentence |
| 18:56 |
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cait |
bgkriegel: hm |
| 18:56 |
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cait |
you are right - i just kept it how it was |
| 18:56 |
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cait |
maybe comment it? |
| 18:56 |
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cait |
it seems quite dangerous |
| 18:56 |
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bgkriegel |
If they want truncate, then i go for 3) |
| 18:56 |
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cait |
ok |
| 18:56 |
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bgkriegel |
just disable, truncate and enable |
| 18:57 |
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cait |
ok |
| 19:10 |
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rangi |
morning |
| 19:10 |
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rangi |
2 new devs in september |
| 19:10 |
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cait |
morning |
| 19:11 |
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rangi |
i should do a patch for that |
| 19:12 |
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rangi |
@later tell rambutan VM work fine, we have 2 already, i still need to configure bgkriegel's one to do a bit more, galens one is running master against mariadb, i can show you how at kohacon |
| 19:12 |
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huginn |
rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:09 |
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mtj |
hey rangi, have you got round to looking at travis.cli.org ? |
| 20:09 |
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rangi |
yep, it's good as far as proprietary SaaS goes |
| 20:10 |
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mtj |
s/looking/look/ |
| 20:12 |
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jcamins |
rangi: it looks like their code is on Github. |
| 20:12 |
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mtj |
hmm, i actually thought it travis was FOSS :/ |
| 20:12 |
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rangi |
oh cool |
| 20:12 |
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jcamins |
MIT license. |
| 20:12 |
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wahanui |
well, mit license is compatible, but upgrading to GPLv3+ is a good idea anyway. |
| 20:12 |
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rangi |
i might be confusing with coveralls |
| 20:13 |
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jcamins |
rangi: https://github.com/travis-ci/travis |
| 20:13 |
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rangi |
mtj: it seems fine, doesnt do anything jenkins doesnt |
| 20:13 |
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rangi |
its integration with github is nice, if you like github |
| 20:13 |
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rangi |
but there is a plugin to do the same for jenkins |
| 20:15 |
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mtj |
i started experimenting with travis coz it was quick, free and i couldnt spare a jenkins box |
| 20:17 |
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mtj |
i think jenkins does a bunch more stuff than travis |
| 20:18 |
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mtj |
i liked getting a clean VM for every build in travis…. tho i'm sure jenkins could be set up to do the same thing |
| 20:19 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 20:19 |
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jcamins |
mtj: easy peasy. Worst case scenario, you use Vagrant. |
| 20:19 |
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jcamins |
jenkins can run a bash script that starts Vagrant. |
| 20:19 |
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rangi |
https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/di[…]NS/Vagrant+Plugin |
| 20:20 |
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rangi |
even easier |
| 20:20 |
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mtj |
touche |
| 20:21 |
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jcamins |
Cool. |
| 20:22 |
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mtj |
is it easy to get different OSs booting in vagrant? |
| 20:22 |
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rangi |
havent tried, but i cant imagine it is |
| 20:22 |
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mtj |
ie: as a vagrant 'box' |
| 20:23 |
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mtj |
looks like it might be easy peasy |
| 20:24 |
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jcamins |
mtj: I only use it with Ubuntu. |
| 20:24 |
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jcamins |
But it's dead simple with Ubuntu. |
| 20:25 |
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mtj |
woah! -> http://www.vagrantbox.es |
| 20:25 |
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jcamins |
mtj: https://github.com/biblionarra[…]aster/Vagrantfile and https://github.com/biblionarra[…]/bootstrap-deb.sh |
| 20:26 |
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mtj |
awesome, i've been looking for something like vagrant for a while… |
| 20:26 |
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jcamins |
That script doesn't actually work because Cassandra's packaging is broken. |
| 20:27 |
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rangi |
vagrant + chef = awesome |
| 20:27 |
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jcamins |
It did for a while, though. |
| 20:27 |
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rangi |
mtj: you should look at docker.io too its pretty neat |
| 20:27 |
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mtj |
i failed badly trying to get ubuntu VMs booting on a debian XEN system, a few weeks ago |
| 20:27 |
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rangi |
different use cases i think |
| 20:27 |
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rangi |
but still neat |
| 20:28 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, very different. But both very cool. |
| 20:29 |
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mtj |
rangi, yep thanks - docker.io was next on my TODO list |
| 20:29 |
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mtj |
( i saw it mentioned on #koha recently - and re-remembered it ) |
| 20:30 |
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rangi |
mtj: travis + coveralls = https://coveralls.io/r/ranginui/ncip-server-chris |
| 20:30 |
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rangi |
which is kinda fun |
| 20:31 |
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rangi |
Devel::Cover::Report::Coveralls |
| 20:31 |
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rangi |
cover -test -report coveralls |
| 20:34 |
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mtj |
very cool :) |
| 20:34 |
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mtj |
i had some success recently, testing Koha install-docs on travis… https://travis-ci.org/KohaAloha/koha-install-docs |
| 20:35 |
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rangi |
cool |
| 20:35 |
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mtj |
was nice to 'prove' that some instructions actually worked... |
| 20:35 |
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rangi |
i really need to get jenkins to mark a build failed |
| 20:35 |
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rangi |
if coverage drops |
| 20:37 |
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cait |
:) |
| 20:37 |
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cait |
+1 |
| 20:37 |
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* rangi |
grabs coffee brb |
| 20:37 |
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mtj |
hmm, perhaps the 'cover' test could be added to the qa-tool.pl even... |
| 20:38 |
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mtj |
like the perl-critic test |
| 20:38 |
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mtj |
(might be a really slow test tho) |
| 20:39 |
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jcamins |
That would be an incredibly slow test. |
| 20:39 |
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mtj |
yeah - i thought it might :p |
| 20:39 |
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jcamins |
You'd have to run the entire test suite twice. |
| 20:40 |
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cait |
another slave? |
| 20:40 |
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cait |
i mean jenkins could do it |
| 20:40 |
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jcamins |
cait: no, I meant with koha-qa. |
| 20:40 |
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cait |
and you could test coverage only on the files changes |
| 20:40 |
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cait |
changed |
| 20:40 |
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cait |
not so slow then maybe |
| 20:41 |
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jcamins |
cait: the problem is you have to run every single test to find out which ones include coverage of the changed files. |
| 20:45 |
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cait |
hm yeah you are right |
| 20:46 |
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rangi |
it shouldnt fail qa |
| 20:46 |
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rangi |
nessecarily |
| 20:46 |
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mtj |
jcamins, thanks for the vagrant examples, they are just what i need :) |
| 20:46 |
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rangi |
but jenkins can make the build fail and highlight coverage dropped |
| 20:48 |
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* jcamins |
contemplates tracings. |
| 20:48 |
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* cait |
runs the qa script on random bugs because she is really too tired to continue testing |
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| 21:26 |
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eythian |
hi |
| 21:26 |
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cait |
hi eythian |
| 21:26 |
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cait |
how are you? |
| 21:26 |
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cait |
:) |
| 21:27 |
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eythian |
Daylight saving changed, so slightly jetlagged :) |
| 21:27 |
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cait |
oh did it? |
| 21:27 |
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cait |
what time is it for you now? |
| 21:27 |
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cait |
11 hours now? that always confuses me |
| 21:30 |
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wizzyrea |
10:30 here |
| 21:30 |
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eythian |
yeah, that |
| 21:30 |
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wahanui |
well, yeah, that is cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha... |
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| 21:31 |
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cait |
eythian: i was wondering if you could look at 2 bugs for me? |
| 21:31 |
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cait |
bug 10733 is all packages |
| 21:31 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10733 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Memcached on package installs |
| 21:31 |
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cait |
and i wonder if we need additional changes for bug 10729 |
| 21:31 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Support phrases-icu.xml in install and upgrade |
| 21:37 |
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cait |
eythian: are you hiding now? :) |
| 21:37 |
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eythian |
just distracted :) |
| 21:37 |
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eythian |
I'll try to have a look today. |
| 21:37 |
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cait |
that would be awesome, thx |
| 21:44 |
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jcamins |
So it turns out there are some disadvantages to a discovery layer like Biblionarrator. |
| 21:44 |
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cait |
oh? |
| 21:44 |
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jcamins |
When you do a search you get all the really relevant results that have been cataloged *horribly*. |
| 21:44 |
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jcamins |
And all you can say is "oh my god, I hope I didn't write that." |
| 21:45 |
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jcamins |
While trying to ignore the sneaking suspicion that it may have been one of your first records. |
| 21:45 |
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cait |
ah |
| 21:45 |
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cait |
that happens with people using koha too |
| 21:45 |
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cait |
when they first try the publication date search :) |
| 21:45 |
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cait |
and other searches |
| 21:45 |
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jcamins |
lol |
| 21:46 |
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cait |
9190... that doesn't look quite right |
| 21:46 |
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jcamins |
True, but the really horribly cataloged records don't show up in searches, usually. |
| 21:47 |
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jcamins |
This record... |
| 21:47 |
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* jcamins |
sighs. |
| 22:03 |
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cait |
good night :) |
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| 22:11 |
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jcamins |
@marc 952 |
| 22:11 |
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wahanui |
The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_fields_%289xx%29 |
| 22:11 |
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huginn |
jcamins: unknown tag 952 |
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jcamins |
Good morning, cait. |
| 22:41 |
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cait |
*hides* |
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jcamins |
rangi: hey, I don't suppose you know of anyone who has collected statistics on which indexes are actually used on the OPAC? |
| 23:42 |
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rangi |
not me |
| 23:44 |
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jcamins |
I computed it for one library, and it matched what I expected: 78.61% keyword, 10.09% author, 4.83% title, and 3.8% subject. |
| 23:45 |
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jcamins |
The other 9 indexes used on the OPAC make up the remaining 2.67% of searches. |
| 23:47 |
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rangi |
sounds what id expect |
| 23:48 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, but I'd be interested in sanity checking those results, to confirm that it is as consistent as I think. |
| 23:49 |
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wizzyrea |
i'd guess it has a lot to do with what kind of library, and what kind of search they set as default |
| 23:49 |
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jcamins |
Anti-confirmation bias, don't you know. |
| 23:49 |
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wizzyrea |
but yea, that seems like what I'd expect |
| 23:49 |
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rangi |
ill see if i can pull some stats |
| 23:50 |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: this was a specialized research library. |
| 23:50 |
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wizzyrea |
default set to keyword? |
| 23:50 |
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rangi |
that makes me think |
| 23:50 |
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jcamins |
Yep. |
| 23:56 |
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jcamins |
A study at Nanyang Technical University has keyword 68.9%, title 16.5%, author 8.2%, and subject 6.4%. |
| 23:57 |
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rangi |
we should totally make a way to export those stats, anonymised |
| 23:57 |
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rangi |
so that libraries can click and export and then we can collect them |
| 23:59 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, that'd be useful. |
| 23:59 |
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jcamins |
Well, interesting. |
| 23:59 |
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wahanui |
interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
