IRC log for #koha, 2013-09-28

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01:43 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
01:45 mtompset Is there a way to get a browser window to want to stay on top?
01:45 mtompset larger main window pops up a smaller browser window. Force the smaller one to stay visible and focused while open?
01:46 jcamins No.
01:47 jcamins Web browsers have adapted to prevent that sort of disgusting behavior.
01:58 mtompset Okay... then if if the smaller one is popped up...
01:59 mtompset and the larger main window has the user click the button which caused the smaller popup window to appear, is there a way to refocus to the smaller window?
01:59 mtompset Because without the refocus, the smaller window might not be visible, and the user might think the link is busted.
02:00 jcamins That should be the default behavior, I think.
02:01 mtompset It isn't when I'm testing bug 6874.
02:01 jcamins Take a look at how cataloging plugins do it.
02:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC
02:01 mtompset I'm using firefox, and the smaller window that popped up stays behind.
02:02 jcamins Huh. I wonder why.
02:03 mtompset just tried it with IE. Same lack of refocus.
02:03 jcamins Sounds like it has failed QA for several reasons then.
02:04 mtompset it is failing... hasn't failed yet.
02:04 mtompset Hasn't even been signed off yet.
02:04 mtompset I'm not signing off until I'm happy with it.
02:04 jcamins Right, that's my point.
02:04 jcamins It has failed because you can't sign off.
02:04 jcamins If these issues aren't fixed, you can't sign off.
02:05 mtompset I *can* sign off. I *won't* sign off. :)
02:05 mtompset Slight difference. :)
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02:21 mtompset Woo hoo! Found a simple fix for that. :)
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02:28 mtompset I think I need to let my brain relax. Testing drains me.
02:29 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha.
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03:51 rangi bwahaha
03:52 rangi[…]3-09-27#i_1393167
03:52 rangi im guessing he hasnt actaully seen much java in the wild
03:52 jcamins lol
03:52 jcamins Clearly not.
03:53 rangi also signing off on somethign that you know doesnt work, is irresponsible
03:53 * rangi catches up on scrollback
03:54 cjh hahahaha that java question is awesome.
03:54 jcamins cjh: I'm not sure, but I think the fact that there is a jkoha which has hundreds or thousands of lines of code and presumably doesn't do anything might be more awesome.
03:55 rangi im not sure it actually has any code?
03:56 rangi probably still writing specs
03:56 cjh the biggest problem modern koha faces: not being written in java?
03:57 rangi oh i lie there is some stuff
03:57 rangi http://jkoha.cvs.sourceforge.n[…]ewvc/jkoha/jkoha/
03:57 cjh jcamins: wow, I didnt know jkoha was a thing
03:57 cjh
03:57 jcamins rangi: yeah, looked like tons of code. Just no code that does anything.
03:58 jcamins Not that I looked closely.
03:58 * Dyrcona wrote the software to migrate his consortium from SirsiDynix Horizon to Evergreen in Java.
03:58 rangi it looks like someone has run the maven set up stuff
03:58 rangi and not a lot else
03:58 jcamins Dyrcona: so it was exceptionally well-architected?
03:58 jcamins rangi: right, hundreds or thousands of lines. :P
03:58 rangi :)
03:58 Dyrcona jcamins: I overarchitect everything, even in Perl.
03:58 jcamins Dyrcona: but it was easier in Java?
03:59 rangi avanti started before Koha
03:59 Dyrcona Meh. It's about the same as Perl when you really understand both language.s
03:59 jcamins Dyrcona: yeah, I'm just joking.
03:59 jcamins rangi: what's avanti?
03:59 jcamins Oh.
03:59 rangi was going to be an opensource ILS, written in java
04:00 jcamins Ummm...
04:00 rangi they bailed, and just did an opac
04:00 Dyrcona Here's the public repo if you're interested:[…]2eg.git;a=summary
04:00 rangi
04:00 jcamins they just released version 0.3.1.
04:00 rangi ahh thats of their new thing nova
04:00 rangi but yeah
04:01 rangi september 99 to jan 5 2000
04:01 rangi versus 11 years :-)
04:01 Dyrcona heh.
04:02 rangi i wonder what nova does
04:02 jcamins You know, every so often I think "I'd like to use Java for {X thing that is available in Java}." Then I start trying to use it, and discover that A) it needs to download 1GB of JAR files, and B) it won't run on Mac or CentOS.
04:02 rangi
04:02 rangi looks like a noSQL db
04:03 rangi i dont id ever wake up and say, you know what, ill try to write a db engine
04:03 jeff kuali is pretty much java, as i understand it.
04:03 jeff huh. kuali ole might be the only ils to start with Acquisitions first.
04:03 jcamins jeff: and, uhhh, they're totally getting close to finishing the library system.
04:03 jcamins Yeah.
04:03 jcamins That's right.
04:03 wahanui I know.
04:03 rangi i just wish they had split the money between koha and evergreen
04:03 jcamins Totally about to be usable.
04:04 rangi imagine how much further along we could be with a few million each to spend on plumbing
04:04 jcamins rangi: actually, I think Nova is what happens when you write Biblionarrator in Java.
04:04 rangi jcamins: ahhh
04:05 rangi
04:05 * Dyrcona bites his tongue about Evergreen's plumbing.
04:05 rangi nothing 1.2 million couldnt fix Dyrcona :)
04:06 jeff hrm. online demo claims you can circ items, but i don't see how.
04:06 * Dyrcona feigns innocence.
04:06 jcamins Dyrcona: $1.2m would pretty much solve any problems you can think of, I think.
04:06 jcamins If applied judiciously.
04:06 jcamins Hey, I bet the code is on Github, since Github is the new cool thing.
04:06 Dyrcona rangi: I say we go to bid for the New Zealand Inland Revenue contracts. They estimated that at how many billion, again?
04:07 rangi 7 or so
04:07 rangi something stupid
04:07 rangi most of it will go to oracle
04:07 Dyrcona Taxes have to be easier than an ILS... We're basically reimplementing SAP for Libraries.
04:07 * Dyrcona spits at the mention of the company that must not be named.
04:07 jcamins Oh, look. No. The QA testing tools are on Github, the actual system is not really amenable to pull requests or patch submissions, or anything like that.
04:08 rangi hmm kuali hits my pet peeve, ive been clicking round for a while and i cant find licenses
04:08 rangi im 99% they made their own one
04:08 jeff i do wonder about the 138 newlines preceding the DOCTYPE in the ole demo portal's html
04:08 rangi cos why not just reinvent everything
04:08 jcamins No way I'm taking that bet.
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04:08 jcamins Whoah.
04:09 jcamins Did you notice that the source code for OLE is entirely closed?
04:09 rangi yeah
04:09 jcamins I missed that before.
04:09 jcamins I thought they were just obnoxious.
04:09 rangi community source or something
04:09 rangi thats why i talk of koha as free software
04:09 rangi people like liblime and kuali pollute open source
04:09 jeff rangi:
04:09 Dyrcona True dat!
04:10 jeff "The Educational Community License version 2.0 ("ECL") consists of the Apache 2.0 license, modified to change the scope of the patent grant in section 3 to be specific to the needs of the education communities using this license. "
04:10 jcamins jeff: where did you find the license?
04:10 rangi jeff: thanks
04:10 jcamins Ah-ha!
04:10 Dyrcona jeff is here! I have to stop trash talking Evergreen.
04:10 Dyrcona ;)
04:11 jeff mentioned the ECL 2.0 license in the sidebar, rather close to where they say "you can't see the OLE source yet"
04:11 jcamins jeff: I was so appalled I didn't finish reading that page.
04:11 jeff Q1 2014 seems to be when they plan to release SIP *and* SIP2 support.
04:12 Dyrcona SIP and SIP2... Wow!
04:12 jcamins jeff: now if only they were planning on releasing a working system.
04:12 rangi Dyrcona and I will beat them easily then and have NCIP in production :)
04:12 jcamins I'm working on a release of Biblionarrator.
04:12 Dyrcona yeah. I need to start working on my end of NCIP.
04:12 Dyrcona jcamins: What is biblionarrator, again?
04:12 jcamins I came up with the idea of having Biblionarrator several years after they announced that Kuali OLE was going to replace the ILS.
04:13 jcamins Dyrcona: discovery layer/cataloguing system.
04:13 jeff OLE plans to have NCIP first, Q4 2013
04:13 jeff doing NCIP before SIP (and saying both SIP and SIP2) seems odd.
04:13 Dyrcona Ah, right. I know you showed it to me before.
04:13 jeff but probably not the most odd thing.
04:13 jcamins It's changed a bit since then.
04:13 Dyrcona SIP3, ftw!
04:13 jeff SIP3++
04:14 jeff utf-8 and no error detection, for one.
04:14 jeff well, two.
04:14 rangi jeff: i bet we'll still beat them
04:14 Dyrcona 3M doesn't even get their checksums right.
04:15 Dyrcona Their docs say "hexadecimal digits," but their self checks send a blank if the zero would be the first digit.
04:15 jeff mad that i didn't make an effort to get support for optional patron PINs in SIP3
04:15 jeff that would have been useful, imo.
04:15 rangi Dyrcona: did you know you can crash their self checks
04:15 rangi if you send them an invalid date
04:15 jcamins jeff: don't worry. 3M wouldn't have implemented it anyway.
04:15 Dyrcona I'm sure you could crash anything.
04:15 rangi they simply reboot
04:16 jcamins Dyrcona: ask how we know. ;)
04:16 rangi yeah but not quite that easily :)
04:16 Dyrcona You did it?
04:16 rangi yep
04:16 * jcamins didn't.
04:16 rangi 8 in one go
04:16 rangi not intentionally
04:16 * jcamins would've done it intentionally.
04:17 rangi took a while to figure out what the hell was going on, cos you dont get any warning they just reboot
04:17 rangi so we were looking at power supplies
04:17 jcamins After business hours, use it as a strobe for dance parties.
04:17 rangi heh
04:17 Dyrcona ha.
04:17 * Dyrcona should probably be in bed.
04:18 * jcamins too.
04:18 Oak leave your laptops where they are
04:18 jeff jcamins: nah, we use our access points and security gates for that. ;-)
04:19 jeff (both have multi-color network addressable LEDs)
04:19 jeff we joke about "party mode" being a line item on future RFPs
04:20 jcamins jeff: I feel like you'd have a lot of trouble keeping people from actually trying that at least once.
04:20 rangi heh
04:21 Dyrcona So, biblionarrator isn't based on Koha?
04:21 jcamins Dyrcona: nope.
04:21 Dyrcona Last time, I thought it was.
04:22 * jeff kills CGI::XMLPost in favor of
04:22 jcamins Nope, but my vision involves there being an interface so that you can load data from Koha easily.
04:22 jeff better the evil you know...
04:22 jcamins EG too.
04:25 Dyrcona Well, I am going to bed.
04:25 Dyrcona Guess I'll leave the laptop on and signed in.
04:25 jeff Dyrcona: nite
04:26 jcamins Good night.
04:26 wahanui It'll all be over soon...
04:27 jeff hrm. SIP3 (well, the copy I have) defines a PI field for Patron PIN, but no messages use that field.
04:27 jeff just the more traditional AD field for Patron Password
04:29 jeff could probably still implement optional patron pin/password requirement with a little cooperation between the self check and sip server, but it's be a bit of a hack.
04:30 jeff look up the user without a password, and if the pin/password isn't required, set valid patron password (CQ) Y
04:31 jeff if the pin/password is required, return CQ N and the self check knows to prompt for credentials.
04:32 jeff (this could be done with SIP2 also, I think)
04:33 jeff context: the idea is that patrons could set a patron setting that determines if they want to check out with no pin required, or use a pin.
04:34 jeff you could do it all server side right now, and for those who don't have it set to require a pin/password, accept any pin/password -- but the end-user UI is pretty lame without client support.
04:36 * jcamins drags himself off to bed, having written a truly pitiful document that is pretending to explain the less-standard features of Biblionarrator.
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08:36 cait morning #koha
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10:28 cait @wunder Konstanz
10:28 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.9°C (12:25 PM CEST on September 28, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
11:34 cait quiet..
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12:03 bgkriegel Hi cait :)
12:04 cait hi bgkriegel :)
12:36 cait bgkriegel: for bug 10806 - i believe you that it works - i just can't test it with my setup i think
12:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , The staff benchmark script does not check authentication failure
12:38 bgkriegel Ok :) It worked fine for me.
12:39 bgkriegel I was a little worried, I did some bad testing lately, so I recheck
12:46 cait hoping someone else from the qa team picks it up
12:46 cait there is also still time for sign offs...
12:46 cait the final deadline is 3rd for nice new shiny things
12:47 cait i am trying to get the queue down this weekend again :) maybe i will succeed this time
12:47 bgkriegel hehe
12:47 cait looking at bug 10419 next
12:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , There is no cronjob script for deleting patrons
12:47 bgkriegel anything cool to sign?
12:47 cait but first i have to go out and buy food :)
12:47 jcamins Bug 10240!
12:47 wahanui somebody said bug 10240 was pretty cool, if I say so myself.
12:47 cait hmmm
12:47 jcamins :)
12:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10240 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Offline circulation using HTML5 and IndexedDB
12:48 cait yep that one is pretty cool actually
12:48 cait and bootstrap opac testing
12:48 bgkriegel yep, I have that one on my list
12:50 cait hm maybe bug 5342
12:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5342 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Serial claiming improvements
12:50 cait it would bring the serial claiming mor ein line with orders claiming
12:51 cait bug 9044
12:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Allow to select items on catalogue/ and trigger actions
12:51 cait oh
12:52 cait bug 9611
12:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt
12:52 cait there is lots of good stuff in there waiting
12:52 bgkriegel :) Let's work
12:53 cait just throwing it out htere... there is really a bunch of nice things waiting :)
12:54 cait ok, running to the supermarket
12:54 cait will be back soon
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13:25 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
13:26 mtompset Is it me, or are sign-off's addictive? You sign off one patch, and then you get told it depends on something else which still needs sign-off. I wonder when the nesting ends. :P
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13:42 mtompset Is anyone here familiar with setting up a dummy user in LDAP?
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14:13 mtompset Greetings, cait.
14:13 mtompset I appreciate the feedback. :)
14:15 mtompset Any idea on how to get LDAP authentication set up for Koha?
14:26 mtompset Okay, got LDAP up and running. YAY!
14:26 mtompset I can't replicate the problem. :(
14:26 bgkriegel Testing bug 10952 , as anonymous user without search history, do some searches, then pressed search history and then a big Error. Can someone confirm?
14:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10952 major, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Store anonymous search history in session
14:26 bgkriegel
14:27 mtompset YIKES. Yucky message there, bgkriegel.
14:28 bgkriegel hi mtompset
14:28 bgkriegel yep, bad. But can be my install
14:28 mtompset Greetings, bgkriegel. :)
14:28 bgkriegel Hi mtompset :)
14:29 mtompset So, just OPAC, search without being logged in, and then click search history?
14:29 bgkriegel yes
14:29 mtompset with or without patch applied?
14:29 bgkriegel without
14:30 mtompset how do you get anonymous search history?
14:30 bgkriegel on the top right...
14:30 bgkriegel if it's enabled
14:31 mtompset What sysprefs need setting?
14:32 bgkriegel I think EnableOpacSearchHistory
14:32 mtompset I have that, but no search history for anonymous.
14:33 cait anonymous just means search history when not logged in
14:34 mtompset So how do I enable search history when not logged in?
14:34 cait with the preference bgkriegel gave you activate search history in general
14:34 cait then you just log out and search
14:35 mtompset It's not acitvating.
14:36 cait I am not sure what you expect
14:36 mtompset something other than "log in" in the top right.
14:36 bgkriegel theres is nothing until you do a search
14:37 mtompset AH! Okay... there is top right.
14:38 mtompset I do not get any errors... two general searches, the top right link appears, click it, no problems, clear history, no problem.
14:38 bgkriegel perfect
14:39 bgkriegel Then I need to reinstall ! :)
14:39 mtompset Sorry for the bad news?
14:40 bgkriegel No problem, better not have another bug :)
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15:26 mtompset Ah, there is the bug. Replicated! Woo hoo!
15:26 bgkriegel :)
15:37 mtompset -- this is for the 10925 bug I'm testing.
15:49 mtompset cait: Are you still around?
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17:38 bgkriegel cait: around?
17:43 cait bgkriegel++
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22:50 jcamins bgkriegel++
22:53 bgkriegel jcamins++, it's your work :)
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23:21 tcohen hmmm, 9-11
23:22 bgkriegel ? :)
23:22 tcohen the kiwis win
23:22 bgkriegel ouch! I forget
23:25 tcohen too many mistakes...
23:25 bgkriegel not bad result.. for now
23:27 bgkriegel 1rst half
23:43 tcohen take that nz :P
23:43 bgkriegel hehe
23:44 tcohen it will bite me back, i'm sure about that
23:45 bgkriegel shhh
23:46 bgkriegel indeed :(

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