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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
01:45 |
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mtompset |
Is there a way to get a browser window to want to stay on top? |
01:45 |
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mtompset |
larger main window pops up a smaller browser window. Force the smaller one to stay visible and focused while open? |
01:46 |
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jcamins |
No. |
01:47 |
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jcamins |
Web browsers have adapted to prevent that sort of disgusting behavior. |
01:58 |
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mtompset |
Okay... then if if the smaller one is popped up... |
01:59 |
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mtompset |
and the larger main window has the user click the button which caused the smaller popup window to appear, is there a way to refocus to the smaller window? |
01:59 |
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mtompset |
Because without the refocus, the smaller window might not be visible, and the user might think the link is busted. |
02:00 |
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jcamins |
That should be the default behavior, I think. |
02:01 |
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mtompset |
It isn't when I'm testing bug 6874. |
02:01 |
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jcamins |
Take a look at how cataloging plugins do it. |
02:01 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC |
02:01 |
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mtompset |
I'm using firefox, and the smaller window that popped up stays behind. |
02:02 |
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jcamins |
Huh. I wonder why. |
02:03 |
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mtompset |
just tried it with IE. Same lack of refocus. |
02:03 |
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jcamins |
Sounds like it has failed QA for several reasons then. |
02:04 |
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mtompset |
it is failing... hasn't failed yet. |
02:04 |
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mtompset |
Hasn't even been signed off yet. |
02:04 |
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mtompset |
I'm not signing off until I'm happy with it. |
02:04 |
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jcamins |
Right, that's my point. |
02:04 |
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jcamins |
It has failed because you can't sign off. |
02:04 |
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jcamins |
If these issues aren't fixed, you can't sign off. |
02:05 |
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mtompset |
I *can* sign off. I *won't* sign off. :) |
02:05 |
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mtompset |
Slight difference. :) |
02:06 |
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02:21 |
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mtompset |
Woo hoo! Found a simple fix for that. :) |
02:28 |
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02:28 |
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mtompset |
I think I need to let my brain relax. Testing drains me. |
02:29 |
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mtompset |
Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. |
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03:51 |
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rangi |
bwahaha |
03:52 |
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rangi |
http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]3-09-27#i_1393167 |
03:52 |
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rangi |
im guessing he hasnt actaully seen much java in the wild |
03:52 |
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jcamins |
lol |
03:52 |
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jcamins |
Clearly not. |
03:53 |
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rangi |
also signing off on somethign that you know doesnt work, is irresponsible |
03:53 |
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* rangi |
catches up on scrollback |
03:54 |
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cjh |
hahahaha that java question is awesome. |
03:54 |
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jcamins |
cjh: I'm not sure, but I think the fact that there is a jkoha which has hundreds or thousands of lines of code and presumably doesn't do anything might be more awesome. |
03:55 |
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rangi |
im not sure it actually has any code? |
03:56 |
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rangi |
probably still writing specs |
03:56 |
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cjh |
the biggest problem modern koha faces: not being written in java? |
03:57 |
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rangi |
oh i lie there is some stuff |
03:57 |
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rangi |
http://jkoha.cvs.sourceforge.n[…]ewvc/jkoha/jkoha/ |
03:57 |
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cjh |
jcamins: wow, I didnt know jkoha was a thing |
03:57 |
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cjh |
http://jkoha.sourceforge.net/ |
03:57 |
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jcamins |
rangi: yeah, looked like tons of code. Just no code that does anything. |
03:58 |
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jcamins |
Not that I looked closely. |
03:58 |
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* Dyrcona |
wrote the software to migrate his consortium from SirsiDynix Horizon to Evergreen in Java. |
03:58 |
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rangi |
it looks like someone has run the maven set up stuff |
03:58 |
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rangi |
and not a lot else |
03:58 |
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jcamins |
Dyrcona: so it was exceptionally well-architected? |
03:58 |
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jcamins |
rangi: right, hundreds or thousands of lines. :P |
03:58 |
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rangi |
:) |
03:58 |
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Dyrcona |
jcamins: I overarchitect everything, even in Perl. |
03:58 |
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jcamins |
Dyrcona: but it was easier in Java? |
03:59 |
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rangi |
avanti started before Koha |
03:59 |
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Dyrcona |
Meh. It's about the same as Perl when you really understand both language.s |
03:59 |
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jcamins |
Dyrcona: yeah, I'm just joking. |
03:59 |
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jcamins |
rangi: what's avanti? |
03:59 |
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jcamins |
Oh. |
03:59 |
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rangi |
was going to be an opensource ILS, written in java |
04:00 |
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jcamins |
Ummm... |
04:00 |
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rangi |
they bailed, and just did an opac |
04:00 |
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Dyrcona |
Here's the public repo if you're interested: http://git.mvlcstaff.org/?p=ja[…]2eg.git;a=summary |
04:00 |
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rangi |
http://www.avantilibrarysystems.com/microlcs.html |
04:00 |
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jcamins |
they just released version 0.3.1. |
04:00 |
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rangi |
ahh thats of their new thing nova |
04:00 |
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rangi |
but yeah |
04:01 |
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rangi |
september 99 to jan 5 2000 |
04:01 |
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rangi |
versus 11 years :-) |
04:01 |
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Dyrcona |
heh. |
04:02 |
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rangi |
i wonder what nova does |
04:02 |
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jcamins |
You know, every so often I think "I'd like to use Java for {X thing that is available in Java}." Then I start trying to use it, and discover that A) it needs to download 1GB of JAR files, and B) it won't run on Mac or CentOS. |
04:02 |
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rangi |
http://www.avantilibrarysystems.com/nova/ |
04:02 |
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rangi |
looks like a noSQL db |
04:03 |
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rangi |
i dont id ever wake up and say, you know what, ill try to write a db engine |
04:03 |
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jeff |
kuali is pretty much java, as i understand it. |
04:03 |
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jeff |
huh. kuali ole might be the only ils to start with Acquisitions first. |
04:03 |
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jcamins |
jeff: and, uhhh, they're totally getting close to finishing the library system. |
04:03 |
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jcamins |
Yeah. |
04:03 |
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jcamins |
That's right. |
04:03 |
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wahanui |
I know. |
04:03 |
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rangi |
i just wish they had split the money between koha and evergreen |
04:03 |
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jcamins |
Totally about to be usable. |
04:04 |
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rangi |
imagine how much further along we could be with a few million each to spend on plumbing |
04:04 |
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jcamins |
rangi: actually, I think Nova is what happens when you write Biblionarrator in Java. |
04:04 |
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rangi |
jcamins: ahhh |
04:05 |
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rangi |
https://www.kuali.org/join/contribute |
04:05 |
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* Dyrcona |
bites his tongue about Evergreen's plumbing. |
04:05 |
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rangi |
nothing 1.2 million couldnt fix Dyrcona :) |
04:06 |
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jeff |
hrm. online demo claims you can circ items, but i don't see how. |
04:06 |
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* Dyrcona |
feigns innocence. |
04:06 |
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jcamins |
Dyrcona: $1.2m would pretty much solve any problems you can think of, I think. |
04:06 |
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jcamins |
If applied judiciously. |
04:06 |
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jcamins |
Hey, I bet the code is on Github, since Github is the new cool thing. |
04:06 |
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Dyrcona |
rangi: I say we go to bid for the New Zealand Inland Revenue contracts. They estimated that at how many billion, again? |
04:07 |
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rangi |
7 or so |
04:07 |
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rangi |
something stupid |
04:07 |
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rangi |
most of it will go to oracle |
04:07 |
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Dyrcona |
Taxes have to be easier than an ILS... We're basically reimplementing SAP for Libraries. |
04:07 |
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* Dyrcona |
spits at the mention of the company that must not be named. |
04:07 |
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jcamins |
Oh, look. No. The QA testing tools are on Github, the actual system is not really amenable to pull requests or patch submissions, or anything like that. |
04:08 |
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rangi |
hmm kuali hits my pet peeve, ive been clicking round for a while and i cant find licenses |
04:08 |
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rangi |
im 99% they made their own one |
04:08 |
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jeff |
i do wonder about the 138 newlines preceding the DOCTYPE in the ole demo portal's html |
04:08 |
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rangi |
cos why not just reinvent everything |
04:08 |
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jcamins |
No way I'm taking that bet. |
04:08 |
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04:08 |
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jcamins |
Whoah. |
04:09 |
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jcamins |
Did you notice that the source code for OLE is entirely closed? |
04:09 |
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rangi |
yeah |
04:09 |
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jcamins |
I missed that before. |
04:09 |
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jcamins |
I thought they were just obnoxious. |
04:09 |
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rangi |
community source or something |
04:09 |
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rangi |
thats why i talk of koha as free software |
04:09 |
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rangi |
people like liblime and kuali pollute open source |
04:09 |
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jeff |
rangi: http://opensource.org/licenses/ecl2.php |
04:09 |
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Dyrcona |
True dat! |
04:10 |
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jeff |
"The Educational Community License version 2.0 ("ECL") consists of the Apache 2.0 license, modified to change the scope of the patent grant in section 3 to be specific to the needs of the education communities using this license. " |
04:10 |
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jcamins |
jeff: where did you find the license? |
04:10 |
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rangi |
jeff: thanks |
04:10 |
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jcamins |
Ah-ha! https://www.kuali.org/software/license |
04:10 |
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Dyrcona |
jeff is here! I have to stop trash talking Evergreen. |
04:10 |
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Dyrcona |
;) |
04:11 |
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jeff |
http://www.kuali.org/download mentioned the ECL 2.0 license in the sidebar, rather close to where they say "you can't see the OLE source yet" |
04:11 |
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jcamins |
jeff: I was so appalled I didn't finish reading that page. |
04:11 |
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jeff |
Q1 2014 seems to be when they plan to release SIP *and* SIP2 support. |
04:12 |
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Dyrcona |
SIP and SIP2... Wow! |
04:12 |
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jcamins |
jeff: now if only they were planning on releasing a working system. |
04:12 |
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rangi |
Dyrcona and I will beat them easily then and have NCIP in production :) |
04:12 |
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jcamins |
I'm working on a release of Biblionarrator. |
04:12 |
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Dyrcona |
yeah. I need to start working on my end of NCIP. |
04:12 |
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Dyrcona |
jcamins: What is biblionarrator, again? |
04:12 |
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jcamins |
I came up with the idea of having Biblionarrator several years after they announced that Kuali OLE was going to replace the ILS. |
04:13 |
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jcamins |
Dyrcona: discovery layer/cataloguing system. |
04:13 |
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jeff |
OLE plans to have NCIP first, Q4 2013 |
04:13 |
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jeff |
doing NCIP before SIP (and saying both SIP and SIP2) seems odd. |
04:13 |
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Dyrcona |
Ah, right. I know you showed it to me before. |
04:13 |
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jeff |
but probably not the most odd thing. |
04:13 |
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jcamins |
It's changed a bit since then. |
04:13 |
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Dyrcona |
SIP3, ftw! |
04:13 |
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jeff |
SIP3++ |
04:14 |
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jeff |
utf-8 and no error detection, for one. |
04:14 |
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jeff |
well, two. |
04:14 |
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rangi |
jeff: i bet we'll still beat them |
04:14 |
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Dyrcona |
3M doesn't even get their checksums right. |
04:15 |
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Dyrcona |
Their docs say "hexadecimal digits," but their self checks send a blank if the zero would be the first digit. |
04:15 |
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jeff |
mad that i didn't make an effort to get support for optional patron PINs in SIP3 |
04:15 |
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jeff |
that would have been useful, imo. |
04:15 |
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rangi |
Dyrcona: did you know you can crash their self checks |
04:15 |
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rangi |
if you send them an invalid date |
04:15 |
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jcamins |
jeff: don't worry. 3M wouldn't have implemented it anyway. |
04:15 |
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Dyrcona |
I'm sure you could crash anything. |
04:15 |
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rangi |
they simply reboot |
04:16 |
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jcamins |
Dyrcona: ask how we know. ;) |
04:16 |
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rangi |
yeah but not quite that easily :) |
04:16 |
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Dyrcona |
You did it? |
04:16 |
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rangi |
yep |
04:16 |
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* jcamins |
didn't. |
04:16 |
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rangi |
8 in one go |
04:16 |
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rangi |
not intentionally |
04:16 |
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* jcamins |
would've done it intentionally. |
04:17 |
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rangi |
took a while to figure out what the hell was going on, cos you dont get any warning they just reboot |
04:17 |
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rangi |
so we were looking at power supplies |
04:17 |
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jcamins |
After business hours, use it as a strobe for dance parties. |
04:17 |
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rangi |
heh |
04:17 |
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Dyrcona |
ha. |
04:17 |
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* Dyrcona |
should probably be in bed. |
04:18 |
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* jcamins |
too. |
04:18 |
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Oak |
leave your laptops where they are |
04:18 |
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jeff |
jcamins: nah, we use our access points and security gates for that. ;-) |
04:19 |
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jeff |
(both have multi-color network addressable LEDs) |
04:19 |
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jeff |
we joke about "party mode" being a line item on future RFPs |
04:20 |
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jcamins |
jeff: I feel like you'd have a lot of trouble keeping people from actually trying that at least once. |
04:20 |
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rangi |
heh |
04:21 |
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Dyrcona |
So, biblionarrator isn't based on Koha? |
04:21 |
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jcamins |
Dyrcona: nope. |
04:21 |
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Dyrcona |
Last time, I thought it was. |
04:22 |
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* jeff |
kills CGI::XMLPost in favor of CGI.pm |
04:22 |
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jcamins |
Nope, but my vision involves there being an interface so that you can load data from Koha easily. |
04:22 |
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jeff |
better the evil you know... |
04:22 |
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jcamins |
EG too. |
04:25 |
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Dyrcona |
Well, I am going to bed. |
04:25 |
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Dyrcona |
Guess I'll leave the laptop on and signed in. |
04:25 |
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jeff |
Dyrcona: nite |
04:26 |
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jcamins |
Good night. |
04:26 |
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wahanui |
It'll all be over soon... |
04:27 |
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jeff |
hrm. SIP3 (well, the copy I have) defines a PI field for Patron PIN, but no messages use that field. |
04:27 |
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jeff |
just the more traditional AD field for Patron Password |
04:29 |
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jeff |
could probably still implement optional patron pin/password requirement with a little cooperation between the self check and sip server, but it's be a bit of a hack. |
04:30 |
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jeff |
look up the user without a password, and if the pin/password isn't required, set valid patron password (CQ) Y |
04:31 |
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jeff |
if the pin/password is required, return CQ N and the self check knows to prompt for credentials. |
04:32 |
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jeff |
(this could be done with SIP2 also, I think) |
04:33 |
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jeff |
context: the idea is that patrons could set a patron setting that determines if they want to check out with no pin required, or use a pin. |
04:34 |
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jeff |
you could do it all server side right now, and for those who don't have it set to require a pin/password, accept any pin/password -- but the end-user UI is pretty lame without client support. |
04:36 |
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* jcamins |
drags himself off to bed, having written a truly pitiful document that is pretending to explain the less-standard features of Biblionarrator. |
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08:36 |
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cait |
morning #koha |
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10:28 |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
10:28 |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.9°C (12:25 PM CEST on September 28, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
11:34 |
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cait |
quiet.. |
12:03 |
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12:03 |
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bgkriegel |
Hi cait :) |
12:04 |
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cait |
hi bgkriegel :) |
12:36 |
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cait |
bgkriegel: for bug 10806 - i believe you that it works - i just can't test it with my setup i think |
12:36 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , The staff benchmark script does not check authentication failure |
12:38 |
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bgkriegel |
Ok :) It worked fine for me. |
12:39 |
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bgkriegel |
I was a little worried, I did some bad testing lately, so I recheck |
12:46 |
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cait |
hoping someone else from the qa team picks it up |
12:46 |
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cait |
there is also still time for sign offs... |
12:46 |
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cait |
the final deadline is 3rd for nice new shiny things |
12:47 |
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cait |
i am trying to get the queue down this weekend again :) maybe i will succeed this time |
12:47 |
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bgkriegel |
hehe |
12:47 |
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cait |
looking at bug 10419 next |
12:47 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , There is no cronjob script for deleting patrons |
12:47 |
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bgkriegel |
anything cool to sign? |
12:47 |
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cait |
but first i have to go out and buy food :) |
12:47 |
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jcamins |
Bug 10240! |
12:47 |
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wahanui |
somebody said bug 10240 was pretty cool, if I say so myself. |
12:47 |
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cait |
hmmm |
12:47 |
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jcamins |
:) |
12:47 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10240 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Offline circulation using HTML5 and IndexedDB |
12:48 |
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cait |
yep that one is pretty cool actually |
12:48 |
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cait |
and bootstrap opac testing |
12:48 |
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bgkriegel |
yep, I have that one on my list |
12:50 |
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cait |
hm maybe bug 5342 |
12:50 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5342 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Serial claiming improvements |
12:50 |
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cait |
it would bring the serial claiming mor ein line with orders claiming |
12:51 |
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cait |
bug 9044 |
12:51 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Allow to select items on catalogue/detail.pl and trigger actions |
12:51 |
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cait |
oh |
12:52 |
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cait |
bug 9611 |
12:52 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt |
12:52 |
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cait |
there is lots of good stuff in there waiting |
12:52 |
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bgkriegel |
:) Let's work |
12:53 |
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cait |
just throwing it out htere... there is really a bunch of nice things waiting :) |
12:54 |
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cait |
ok, running to the supermarket |
12:54 |
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cait |
will be back soon |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
13:26 |
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mtompset |
Is it me, or are sign-off's addictive? You sign off one patch, and then you get told it depends on something else which still needs sign-off. I wonder when the nesting ends. :P |
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mtompset |
Is anyone here familiar with setting up a dummy user in LDAP? |
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14:13 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, cait. |
14:13 |
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mtompset |
I appreciate the feedback. :) |
14:15 |
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mtompset |
Any idea on how to get LDAP authentication set up for Koha? |
14:26 |
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mtompset |
Okay, got LDAP up and running. YAY! |
14:26 |
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mtompset |
I can't replicate the problem. :( |
14:26 |
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bgkriegel |
Testing bug 10952 , as anonymous user without search history, do some searches, then pressed search history and then a big Error. Can someone confirm? |
14:26 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10952 major, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Store anonymous search history in session |
14:26 |
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bgkriegel |
http://paste.koha-community.org/232 |
14:27 |
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mtompset |
YIKES. Yucky message there, bgkriegel. |
14:28 |
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bgkriegel |
hi mtompset |
14:28 |
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bgkriegel |
yep, bad. But can be my install |
14:28 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, bgkriegel. :) |
14:28 |
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bgkriegel |
Hi mtompset :) |
14:29 |
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mtompset |
So, just OPAC, search without being logged in, and then click search history? |
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bgkriegel |
yes |
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mtompset |
with or without patch applied? |
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bgkriegel |
without |
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mtompset |
how do you get anonymous search history? |
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bgkriegel |
on the top right... |
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bgkriegel |
if it's enabled |
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mtompset |
What sysprefs need setting? |
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bgkriegel |
I think EnableOpacSearchHistory |
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mtompset |
I have that, but no search history for anonymous. |
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cait |
anonymous just means search history when not logged in |
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mtompset |
So how do I enable search history when not logged in? |
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cait |
with the preference bgkriegel gave you activate search history in general |
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cait |
then you just log out and search |
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mtompset |
It's not acitvating. |
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cait |
I am not sure what you expect |
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mtompset |
something other than "log in" in the top right. |
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bgkriegel |
theres is nothing until you do a search |
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mtompset |
AH! Okay... there is top right. |
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mtompset |
I do not get any errors... two general searches, the top right link appears, click it, no problems, clear history, no problem. |
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bgkriegel |
perfect |
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bgkriegel |
Then I need to reinstall ! :) |
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mtompset |
Sorry for the bad news? |
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bgkriegel |
No problem, better not have another bug :) |
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mtompset |
Ah, there is the bug. Replicated! Woo hoo! |
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bgkriegel |
:) |
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mtompset |
-- this is for the 10925 bug I'm testing. |
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mtompset |
cait: Are you still around? |
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bgkriegel |
cait: around? |
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cait |
bgkriegel++ |
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jcamins |
bgkriegel++ |
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bgkriegel |
jcamins++, it's your work :) |
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tcohen |
hmmm, 9-11 |
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bgkriegel |
? :) |
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tcohen |
the kiwis win |
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bgkriegel |
ouch! I forget |
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tcohen |
too many mistakes... |
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bgkriegel |
not bad result.. for now |
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bgkriegel |
1rst half |
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tcohen |
take that nz :P |
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bgkriegel |
hehe |
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tcohen |
it will bite me back, i'm sure about that |
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bgkriegel |
shhh |
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bgkriegel |
indeed :( |