IRC log for #koha, 2013-09-27

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00:01 dcook morning folks
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01:19 mtompset it works?
01:19 wahanui For now...
01:19 mtompset it works?
01:19 wahanui For now...
01:19 mtompset it works?
01:19 wahanui For now...
01:19 mtompset it works maybe!
01:19 mtompset it works!
01:19 wahanui For now...
01:19 mtompset bah, wahanui, you've become boring. I thought you had some randomness in there.
01:20 mtompset Greetings, dcook. :)
01:25 * dcook waves
01:42 wizzyrea it works!
01:42 wahanui You should blog about it.
01:42 wizzyrea totes.
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02:38 eythian mtompset: randomness doesn't mean giving a different response, just that it might give a different response :)
02:48 jcamins Didn't expect that!
02:48 wahanui No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
02:48 eythian <-- copying images with attribution automatically.
02:52 dcook Coool
03:36 wizzyrea that is fantastic
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04:20 mtompset But aren't firefox and other browers dropping plug-in support?
05:16 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
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05:36 cait good morning #koha
05:37 dcook hey ya cait
05:37 cait hi dcook :)
06:18 cait dcook: have you seen the hackfest page on hte wiki?
06:20 dcook Mmm, a little while ago, but not recently
06:22 cait you should write something there :)
06:22 * cait is nudging people to fill the website a bit
06:23 dcook I think I've been nudged enough for one conference :p
06:23 dcook What's the URL again?
06:23 dcook hackfest?
06:23 wahanui hackfest is, like, awesome! Group motivated koha hacking is the best koha hacking :)
06:24 dcook[…]ohacon13/Hackfest
06:24 dcook Hmm
06:26 dcook I don't know if I have any ideas for tutorials or group work, but maybe some discussion
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06:29 reiveune hello
06:29 wahanui hi, reiveune
06:35 dcook Idea for discussion added, cait :p
06:35 cait thx :)
06:35 cait hackfest is also[…]ohacon13/Hackfest
06:35 wahanui okay, cait.
06:36 cait dcook: looks like you intend to open the can or worms
06:36 dcook Oh?
06:37 dcook It's just an idea ;)
06:42 cait yep valid one too
06:42 cait i was just thinking
06:43 cait maybe we should ask the libraries what they like least and like best about Koha and take that into the hackfest with us
06:44 Oak we should that from experienced Koha users here as well.
06:45 magnuse cait++
06:45 * magnuse waves
06:45 * cait waves
06:45 * magnuse waves back
06:45 cait something like the most annoying bug or missing enhancement
06:47 Oak yes, find the most annoying bug that most of present here name, then on the hackfest, you guys will get the once a year chance of being physicaly present in the same room... and then you kill that bug
06:47 Oak high five
06:47 Oak never mind
06:47 wahanui Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot.
06:49 cait kill the bug!
06:49 cait have to run :) bbiab
06:52 dcook It's not a bad idea, Oak, although it might be tough to get everyone's opinion
06:52 dcook I imagine that's the problem with my discussion idea as well. There will never be a time when every (regular) contributor is in the same room
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06:56 dcook Item-level facets :@
06:56 * dcook waves to magnuse in a not angry way but goes back to glaring at facets
06:56 * dcook also waves to sophie_m in a non-angry way :)
06:57 sophie_m hello dcook :-)
06:57 sophie_m why should you be angry ?
06:57 * magnuse waves pacifyingly to dcook
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06:58 sophie_m hi magnuse
06:59 dcook They don't work very well :/
06:59 magnuse bonjour sophie_m
06:59 dcook For instance, if you look for Item Type A and Branch B, you'll get results for bib records that may or may not contain items that have Item Type A at Branch B
06:59 magnuse @wunder boo
06:59 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on September 27, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
07:00 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:00 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 20.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on September 27, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
07:00 dcook Because even though branch and item type are technically item-level, they're indexed at the bib-level...
07:00 magnuse hm, is marseille stuck on 20?
07:00 dcook @wunder syd
07:00 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Bardwell Park, Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (5:00 PM EST on September 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
07:00 magnuse dcook: ooh, that sounds like a can of fun!
07:00 * dcook wonders why magnuse and cait are both talking about cans today :p
07:00 dcook times :/
07:01 dcook Not a difficult explanation per se but not a fun one
07:02 dcook I think I might have just realized how DOM indexing might fix it though..
07:02 dcook Or could fix it
07:02 dcook Mmm, actually, maybe not
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07:02 sophie_m yep magnuse and 25° during the day
07:02 magnuse it's can day!
07:03 magnuse or cannes day, if you are in the south of france
07:03 sophie_m :-)
07:03 magnuse oh, and "can day" is short for "can do day", of course
07:05 dcook I wish I can do a fix for search :p
07:06 magnuse give all your money to jcamins? ;-)
07:07 dcook hehe
07:07 dcook money, time, and energy :p
07:07 dcook He's only one man
07:07 dcook An amazing man, but still only one
07:10 magnuse :-)
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07:13 kf good morning again :)
07:13 magnuse kia ora kf
07:13 kf kia ora magnuse
07:16 kf dcook: seems you understand now? about item level facetting?
07:19 dcook Just the problem
07:19 dcook Not the solution
07:20 dcook You and Jared explained the problem a while ago though :)
07:20 kf dcook: yeah but it seems i failed to explain how dom could fix it :)
07:20 dcook I don't know how item level facetting could ever work as expected :S
07:20 dcook Ah, yes, there is that :p
07:21 dcook I assume that it would mean the introduction of more indexes?
07:21 dcook No, that wouldn't work either..
07:22 dcook Items dissolve into the bib record when indexing
07:23 dcook The only way I can imagine this problem going away is if the items were able to keep their integrity
07:24 dcook Anyway, I should probably get going
07:25 dcook I should already be on my way to the gym!
07:25 dcook No beer o'clock for this guy...
07:25 kf sec
07:25 dcook sec?
07:27 * dcook waits?
07:28 kf I think the trick is to have an index where the different infromation is indexed together ... in one term?
07:28 dcook that I think about it...maybe that could work
07:28 dcook Maybe
07:29 dcook But you could still run into problems, I would think
07:29 dcook Instead of having itemtype indexes, you could just have item indexes, and then search those I guess..
07:29 dcook But I don't know how that would work either
07:30 dcook It would probably work for single facet searches (but the current indexing does too)
07:30 kf i think it would be an additional index probably
07:30 kf well you would construct something like item:branch location as a search term
07:31 kf so it would require a bit of new logic for the facets to change the links according to what you searched before
07:31 kf it's doable, but not easy i guess
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07:31 dcook Mmm, I think I getcha now
07:31 dcook so item: branch location
07:31 dcook item: branch itemtype
07:31 dcook Like that?
07:31 kf yeah
07:31 dcook Yeah, if the logic was there, I could see that working
07:31 kf maybe need to add a prefix not sure, to avoid colliosions
07:31 dcook We'd need a lot of extra indexes though
07:32 kf item: branchsomething locationsomething ...
07:32 kf hm that would only be one I think?
07:32 dcook Basically, we'd need an index for every permutation
07:32 samueld hi everybody
07:32 kf dcook: hm i don't think so
07:32 dcook Ah, I see what you mean by prefix now
07:32 dcook Hmm
07:32 kf it's like a title search
07:32 kf not phrase where the sequence would matter
07:33 dcook You mean word search?
07:33 kf guess so
07:33 dcook Ok...I get what you're saying now
07:33 kf was not sure about the correct term
07:33 dcook It might be string search
07:33 dcook I can't remember the correct term either
07:34 kf at least we understoood each other :)
07:34 dcook I know there is title:w, title:p, and title:s
07:34 dcook Can't remember the difference between w and s
07:34 magnuse just search, as opposed to "prhrase search"?
07:36 dcook Hmm, apparently Zebra does facets as well..
07:36 dcook[…]l-retrieval-types
07:36 dcook I think Jared mentioned that once
07:36 kf yes it does
07:36 kf i think someone said there was a problem with utf8 data there, but not sure it's still a problem
07:36 kf it's been a long while since
07:37 dcook[…]er-map-files.html
07:39 dcook Wait, that's the one I want apparently...[…]l-pqf-apt-mapping
07:39 dcook Hmm, I'm not sure
07:39 dcook But I really need to run :(
07:40 kf cya tomorrow :)
07:40 kf and have anice evening!
07:40 dcook Hope not. My saturday is tomorrow ;)
07:40 dcook thanks :)
07:40 dcook Have a good day and a good weekend!
08:20 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:20 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 16.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on September 27, 2013). Conditions: Light Fog. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
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09:03 kivilahtio__ does this script still exists? misc/maintenance/
09:03 kivilahtio__ I would like to migrate holdings to Koha directly to the items table
09:15 kf kivilahtio__: not sure, we have never used it
09:15 kf but it shoudl not be necessary i think
09:15 kf you fill the items table directly, then you do a full reindex
09:15 sophie_m kivilahtio__: this script was used to synchronised marc in biblioitems with items data. As biblioitems doesn't contains items info anymore, it is deprecated
09:15 kf in ealrier times item information was also held in the marcxml and marc fields in the database, so that needed to be synched
09:15 kf what sophie_m says :)
09:15 kivilahtio__ ok
09:16 kivilahtio__ so I just run the
09:16 kf important is the full reindex
09:16 kivilahtio__
09:16 kf after you have changed the item data yes
09:16 kivilahtio__ rok on!
09:17 kivilahtio__ thanks!
09:17 kivilahtio__ I can get into migrating our data
09:17 kivilahtio__ I hope I can do it during the weekend. We are having a Evergreen vs Koha final meeting next monday
09:18 kivilahtio__ just extended the UseBranchTransferLimits to limit holds as well. Took me 4h! Yay! That was one thing that COULD NEVER be done with Koha :D
09:18 kf ah
09:18 kf hope your meeting goes well
09:19 kivilahtio__ kf: However it goes, I am sure it will turn out ok for me, atleast ;)
10:04 magnuse kivilahtio__: hope you make the right decision, then :-)
10:26 kivilahtio__ magnuse: thanks magnuse for caring!
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12:21 oleonard Hi #koha
12:24 magnuse kia ora oleonard
12:31 kf hi oleonard :)
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12:54 druthb kf!
12:54 magnuse druthb!
12:54 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
12:54 kf druthb!
12:54 magnuse kf!
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13:08 tcohen morning #koha
13:09 ebegin Hi there ! I remember having seen a list of domain name vs company name in order to get the company credited for a commit. Anybody can point me where this is ?
13:12 magnuse ebegin: this?[…]=.mailmap;hb=HEAD
13:13 jcamins I don't recall seeing anything like that in Koha.
13:14 magnuse i think maybe rangi has one that he uses when he runs the statistics?
13:14 jcamins I used this as RM:[…]286f7e831;hb=HEAD
13:14 jcamins But I think rangi has his own.
13:14 ebegin jcamins, that's it !
13:15 ebegin Thanks ! We will add inLibro since we are planning to do much more check ins
13:16 ebegin jcamins,++
13:16 ebegin jcamins++
13:17 ebegin magnuse was close though, and I think we will add entries in there too
13:17 jcamins ebegin: you only need to add to the mailmap if you don't set your git environments up consistently.
13:20 ebegin jcamins, does git have a kind of 'Organization' setting ?
13:22 kf jcamins: i think there is a mailmap file somewhere in koha... but not sure
13:22 jcamins ebegin: no.
13:22 jcamins kf: yeah, magnuse provided a link earlier.
13:22 kf oh right...s crolling sown
13:22 kf down
13:22 kf sorry :)
13:22 tcohen .mailmap
13:23 blou Holà #koha
13:23 kf hi blou
13:23 blou Question about installer/data/mysql/
13:24 tcohen ebegin: put a file ~/.gitmessage.txt
13:24 tcohen with a single line: Sponsored-by: inLibro
13:24 blou How do we modify this for a patch?  It doesn't seem right hardcode a db version in it (ex:
13:25 kf tcohen: i think inLibro is the company, so maybe better doing it with the mailmap
13:25 kf blou: you create a new entry
13:25 kf and set the version there to 3.13.00.XXX
13:25 tcohen database updates?
13:25 kf the RM will add the number when it goes in
13:25 ebegin tcohen, cool trick !
13:26 magnuse blou:[…]/Database_updates
13:26 tcohen wahanui: database updates is[…]/Database_updates
13:26 wahanui OK, tcohen.
13:26 blou kf: ha!  Excellent!  Thanks a lot!
13:26 blou magnuse: thanks!!
13:27 magnuse my pleasure!
13:27 blou i need to learn to abuse those little bots
13:27 tcohen kf: as UNC's employee should i stop pasting patches with "Sponsored-by" line then?
13:28 kf tcohen: hm no I don'tthink so., because you are working for a library and doing features for it...
13:28 jcamins Sponsored-by and the gitdm file are two different things.
13:28 magnuse hm, the database updates page says "Now that bug 7167 has been pushed..." wasn't that pulled out again?
13:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , updatedatabase improvements
13:28 kf tcohen: so employer and library are the same :)
13:29 jcamins inLibro is probably not sponsoring many of its developments.
13:29 tcohen yeah, but it seems that because of the sponsored-by line UNC always appears in a weird place
13:29 tcohen on the release notes
13:29 kf maybe addtionally add to the mailmap?
13:29 kf i think the spnsored by shows up as sponsoring institutions and libraries or something like that
13:30 ebegin jcamins, we sponsored a lot of them actually :-)
13:30 jcamins The Sponsored-by and mailmap show in different places.
13:30 kf ebegin: I think mailmap would be the first thing to change - so you go in the stats with a good name -.the sponsored by just adds to a list in the rlease notes :)
13:30 tcohen kf: i think i'll check the get-bugs script
13:30 jcamins ebegin: in that case, for some you could have both sponsored-by and non-sponsored by.
13:31 kf get-bugs?
13:31 kf sorry, it's friday, i am consued
13:31 kf easy to confuse and can't type apparently
13:31 tcohen kf: the script that generates the release notes, sorry
13:31 jcamins Though my feeling is that it doesn't make sense for vendors to use Sponsored-by, even if they did sponsor the development.
13:31 jcamins It misses the point of that enhancement to the release notes, which was to highlight *users* that were sponsoring development.
13:32 kf jcamins: same feeling here somehow... but I don't think we have written it down somewhere. I think the initial idea of the sponsored-by was to have  way to mention the libraries spnsoring?
13:32 tcohen Lyon and Rennes always appear as companies for example
13:32 ebegin jcamins, I see. In case where the dev is not sponsored, we wont put Sponsored-by
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13:32 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
13:32 magnuse but Lyon and Rennes do their own development? or not?
13:32 magnuse hiya mtompset
13:33 mtompset Greetings, magnuse. :)
13:33 kf tcohen: hm i think they have been sending patches and are also biblibre customers, so might have sponsored something
13:33 mtompset Greetings, kf. :)
13:33 jcamins kf: yeah, I added Sponsored-by for that reason.
13:34 jcamins And as the end users, I have no problem with Lyons and Rennes listed in sponsored-by.
13:34 ebegin tcohen, the .gitmessage.txt is a template and is can be edited at commit time, right ?
13:34 kf ah end users
13:34 kf that's good
13:34 kf to differentiate
13:34 tcohen ebegin: exactly
13:35 tcohen jcamins: how should i list UNC in the release notes ?
13:35 kf i think you are really both
13:35 kf end user and developer
13:36 tcohen we have "companies" and "libraries" (users)
13:36 tcohen oh, and "individuals"
13:37 jcamins tcohen: UNC should be listed in both companies and libraries.
13:37 tcohen not that i care too much about this, just clarifying
13:37 jcamins Though companies should maybe renamed "organizations."
13:37 tcohen +1
13:37 kf the qotd feature seems a bit fragile
13:38 kf jcamins: true
13:39 kf grr.
13:39 kf i have no idea why it doesn't show!
13:42 magnuse kf: simple questions first: did you enable the feature?
13:43 jeff HP apparently region-locks their inkjet printer cartridges.
13:43 jeff that just seems... wow.
13:43 kf magnuse: yup
13:44 jeff didn't actually mean to go into that here, but now that i think about it #koha seems almost an appropriate place.
13:44 * jcamins heads into the city.
13:46 kf magnuse: and i turned it on and off again to make sure
13:46 magnuse kf: no clue then, i'm afraid
13:46 kf hmpf
13:46 kf but thx ;)
13:46 kf oh
13:46 kf could someone do me a tiny favour and check if it shows on master?
13:46 kf we recently updated this instllation to the latest 3.12.x
13:48 kf when there was only 1 quote it worked
13:48 kf now the library added more and they look perfect and it stopped showing
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13:54 magnuse kf: alas, no time for testing, but if you want to test on you can log in as demo/demo
13:54 kf i thik i will postpone it to monday
13:58 kivilahtio__ phew got the Bibs and Items in DB
13:59 kivilahtio__ not production ready but still. gg
13:59 kivilahtio__ just wanted to tell someone ! :)
14:00 magnuse kivilahtio__: yay!
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14:14 * magnuse calls it a week - happy pizza day #koha!
14:14 kivilahtio__ happy weekend magnuse!
14:16 tcohen pizza for magnuse!
14:16 magnuse w00t!
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14:18 kivilahtio__ have you thought about rewriting Koha with a real object oriented language? Like Java? Which actually forces many good design practices?
14:19 kivilahtio__ I'm sure you have but just asking if someone has a opinion
14:20 kivilahtio__ Not looking for a friday night firefight regarding the issue tho ;)
14:28 kf kivilahtio__: i think you can write bad code in any language
14:28 mtompset Thanks for the correction, kf. :)
14:29 kf i think most people would have known waht you meant, but since blou is new, i wanted to save him headache :)
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14:37 kivilahtio__ kf: so true :) Just noticed some polymorphism in C4::Circulation::AddIssue and was wondering how easily these could be maintained using object inheritance.
14:43 mtompset Are you referring to the type checking for the date, kivilahtio__?
14:43 kivilahtio__ mtompset: =item C<$borrower> is a hash with borrower informations (from GetMember or GetMemberDetails).
14:44 kivilahtio__ mtompset: could this maybe be resolved usig a PAtron-object?
14:45 kivilahtio__ mtompset: not complaining, I feel things are pretty straightforward here, but I think there would be benefit in defining object for databse types.
14:46 mtompset Perhaps it is a matter of having some base data, and any thing extra is irrelevant. In which case doing the object thing is pointless.
14:47 mtompset if there was different processing based on different information content, then perhaps going the object route would make sense.
14:48 mtompset Haven't looked, so I can't properly comment. :)
14:48 kivilahtio__ mtompset: prolly, I am not a Koha specialist
15:03 jcamins kivilahtio__: people suggest rewriting Koha in a different language about once every two months.
15:04 jcamins Maybe three.
15:06 rambutan I think Koha should be rewritten in Ada.
15:06 rambutan There, now we're good for two or three months.
15:06 reiveune byec
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15:07 rambutan But just a few minutes ago I was checking to see the state of Prolog on Linux, so that's on my mind for next quarter.
15:14 gmcharlt oleonard: could you look at my last comment on bug 10836?
15:14 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10836 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , New layout for placing holds in the OPAC
15:29 blou kf, mtompset, oleaonard: When modifying kohastructure.sql, do I need to do the Pg version as well? (Bug 8753?)
15:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Failed QA , Add forgot password link to OPAC
15:30 blou Yeah!
15:30 mtompset blou: Considering the Pg version is newer, I don't know.
15:30 mtompset Good question though. :)
15:30 jcamins Not at present. And the Pg version is much older.
15:31 blou well, file is bigger :)
15:31 mtompset okay, guess I never noticed it before then. :P
15:31 jcamins Also, that patch should not require a change to kohastructure.sql. Just sysprefs.sql.
15:34 blou I did not code the change, I'm the commiter :)  But it uses a new table to store the unique id sent to the user in email, for future validation
15:36 jcamins blou: ah, then yes, kohastructure change.
15:36 blou I'll add more comments on that in the commit/patch.
15:36 jcamins There was a different bug that just added a syspref.
15:37 blou I'm running 3 in parallels, to confuse reviewers, but mostly just to confuse myself
15:38 jcamins Hehe. Looks like you're succeeding.
15:42 blou got to be good at something
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15:48 oleonard Yes, gmcharlt. Sorry, I was afk.
15:48 gmcharlt oleonard: I've since started working on a follow-up patch -- I'll want extra eyes on it, so will be attaching it soon
15:48 * oleonard just walked an MLS student through the process of installing Koha
15:48 gmcharlt oleonard++
15:54 sophie_m I can't find v3.10.08 release notes on
15:55 sophie_m Someone ot help me ?
16:00 gmcharlt oleonard: I've attached my follow-up
16:00 oleonard Thanks gmcharlt, I'll test it today
16:03 oleonard It's strange sophie_m, I can find the announcements for 3.10.7 and 3.10.9 but not 3.10.8
16:03 gmcharlt sophie_m: it looks like they weren't posted to the website.  However, you can find a copy here -[…]refs/heads/3.10.x
16:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #123 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:30 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9299: fix LDAP login breakage when ExtendedPatronAttributes is on <[…]bfd71362326569c21>
16:37 oleonard gmcharlt: If you don't mind I'm going to throw a couple of really  minor display-related markup changes in with my signoff
16:37 gmcharlt oleonard: fine with me
16:45 oleonard So the good news is I figured out why collection codes were showing up in my item type search facets. The bad news is we have 84,000 MARC records with the bad data that causes the problem
16:50 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10836: (follow-up) improve display toggles on the OPAC hold request form <[…]92673fe2739685b5d> / Bug 10836 - New layout for placing holds in the OPAC <[…]8bf978596f620a975>
16:57 khall Just an FYI, if your Koha database has biblios where the biblionumber doesn't equal the biblioitemnumber, DO NOT run misc/, or you'll end up with deleted biblioitem rows![…]_bug.cgi?id=10961
16:57 huginn Bug 10961: critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Error in GetMarcBiblio can cause severe data loss
17:10 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10901: (follow-up) add space between 'Edit in host' and 'Delink' <[…]8e956880de8556d7a> / Bug 10901: (follow-up) make the withdrawn column sortable <[…]96e3257aee3292464> / Bug 10901: Add datatables to the add item page <
17:14 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #123: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/123/
17:14 jenkins_koha Srdjan: Bug 9299: fix LDAP login breakage when ExtendedPatronAttributes is on
17:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9299 major, P3, ---, nunyo, Pushed to Master , for loop in requires an extended patron attribute to be set or LDAP logins fail
17:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #124 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:21 sophie_m gmcharlt: thanks but I wanted to give the link to a librarian
17:22 sophie_m thanks gmcharlt and oleonard
17:22 gmcharlt well, the text is the same
17:24 gmcharlt khall: I've added comments to 10961; upshot, I think another part of the solution is removing
17:27 khall gmcharlt: you are correct in your points made, but won't suffer from this same bug, since the bug is in GetMarcBiblio which touch_all_biblios also uses?
17:28 gmcharlt khall: no, because ModBiblio() does the Right Thing and looks up the biblioitemnumber directly
17:29 khall Ah, I see. Thanks!
17:29 gmcharlt IOW, it doesn't go by whatever is embedded in the MARC record
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17:57 cait hm hail storm?
17:57 cait @wunder Konstanz
17:57 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.3°C (7:55 PM CEST on September 27, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
17:58 cait not quite right huginn
17:58 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #124: SUCCESS in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/124/
17:58 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10836 - New layout for placing holds in the OPAC
17:58 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10836: (follow-up) improve display toggles on the OPAC hold request form
17:58 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10901: Add datatables to the add item page
17:58 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10901: (follow-up) make the withdrawn column sortable
17:58 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10836 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , New layout for placing holds in the OPAC
17:58 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10901: (follow-up) add space between 'Edit in host' and 'Delink'
17:58 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10901 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Filters is needed on the add item page
18:02 gmcharlt oops
18:02 * gmcharlt just gave his test VM a case of indigestion by reproducing the load issue eythian wrote about yesterday
18:03 jcamins Well done!
18:03 jcamins What causes it?
18:04 gmcharlt not sure yet if it matches his situation precisely -- need to wait for the VM to calm down -- but if you enter a patron search and never release the enter key, madness ensues
18:04 jcamins There was a patch for that.
18:05 jcamins Let me see if I can find it.
18:06 jcamins Oh, no, it was _saving_ patrons that it was fixed for.
18:10 oleonard I can't believe our copy of The best book of MS-DOS 5 is still checked out
18:10 cait lol
18:11 jcamins oleonard: great book!
18:23 tcohen LOL
18:36 mtompset Hey, there are some still useful tips, I'm sure for those who want to go old school on the command line.
18:38 cait did someone rewrite Koha in Java while i slept? :)
18:39 jeff cait: the magic of timezones!
18:39 jcamins cait: we were going to, until someone decided to use .bat files instead.
18:39 cait :)
18:40 tcohen
18:42 mtompset Oh my evilness!
18:44 cait the last update worries me some :)
18:45 cait ah but not really code there
18:46 mtompset
18:46 mtompset There is code.
18:46 mtompset But you have to hunt for it.
18:47 mtompset What would cause javascript to fail?
18:47 cait mtompset: well i only see initial commits
18:47 tcohen its just a bunch of stub classes
18:47 cait from what looks like general configuration stuff
18:48 jcamins Syntax error, incorrect logic, missing dependencies, lack of execution... any number of things.
18:48 cait jcamins: ?
18:48 mtompset okay... this upload plug in I'm testing for bug 6874...
18:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC
18:48 jcamins cait: reasons why JS fails.
18:48 mtompset there it pops up the window and you select a file to upload... it uploads... and changes the 856$u to a URL.
18:49 mtompset great for when you do it right.
18:49 mtompset Now... you click the plugin icon again... and it asks about deleting the one you just uploaded.
18:49 mtompset no problem there...
18:49 mtompset But if you tell it to delete it... the 856$u URL isn't cleared.
18:49 mtompset but the code is the same as the code that filled in the URL in the first place.
18:50 cait jcamins: ah. :)
18:50 tcohen upload a patron image, press Esc in the middle of the process, upload a patron image
18:50 jcamins Sounds like it failed QA.
18:50 cait agreed
18:51 mtompset tcohen: Does that do a similarly bizarre thing too?
18:51 tcohen not sure, but bizarre
18:52 jcamins tcohen: are you using FF?
18:55 mtompset AH! Found the error.
18:56 tcohen jcamins: sorry, made a silly mistake: it was on frameworks import not patron images
18:57 jcamins tcohen: FF has an interesting feature... hitting the escape key cancels all outstanding network connections.
18:59 tcohen interesting jcamins
19:01 mtompset Silly [% themelang %] vs. [% interface %] problem in the template files.
19:04 mtompset Interesting, Fartkontroll means Speed Trap in Swedish.
19:04 tcohen[…]a-day-at-the-park
19:17 tcohen jcamins:[…]bug.cgi?id=614304
19:17 huginn Bug 614304: was not found.
19:17 tcohen we will eventually reach that number huginn
19:19 tcohen on chrome it never recovers / acknowledges upload finished
19:21 tcohen ok, have a nice weekend #koha
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19:33 cait hm seems everyone is leaving
19:36 Dyrcona seams everyone is splitting....
19:36 cait hm that does sound painful
19:37 cait ah glad to see that ldap patch finally going in
19:38 * oleonard is cruelly forced to work on non-Koha activities
19:39 cait eek
19:39 cait for how much longer?
19:39 oleonard Possibly hours!!
19:40 cait oh god
19:40 * cait sends cookies
19:40 cait how bad is it? drupal?
19:40 oleonard Not that bad ;)
19:40 cait :)
19:40 * jcamins shudders.
19:42 oleonard This would make you shudder jcamins, it's my home-grown staff intranet written in years of spaghetti PHP code
19:42 pianohacker php--
19:42 oleonard php++
19:42 oleonard :P
19:42 * jcamins shudders again.
19:42 pianohacker xquery++
19:42 cait koha++
19:42 pianohacker xslt--
19:42 pianohacker koha++
19:42 cait pianohacker: still waiting for a rebase from you !
19:43 cait as you have made the mistake to show up :)
19:43 pianohacker Have I been under a rock, though? I never knew that xquery existed, it's like xslt but with a good syntax
19:43 pianohacker cait: on bug 10486 or bug 8133?
19:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Patch doesn't apply , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC
19:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8133 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed
19:43 jcamins pianohacker: I've only seen xquery used in one project.
19:44 pianohacker Fair enough. I might start looking at advocating a Koha switch to it (with my volunteered time to move the existing stylesheets)
19:44 cait the first one more than the latter
19:44 jcamins Not that I remember where I saw it.
19:45 pianohacker cait: gotcha. I've been delaying integrating the five quadrillion changes made to 10320 into 10486, but it will happen soonish :)
19:45 cait there is a deadline quite soon..
19:45 cait but 10320
19:45 cait bug 10320
19:45 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search
19:45 cait ah
19:46 pianohacker 10486 used some of the same code, due to foolish optimism on my part
19:46 jcamins I had looked at using XQuery for Biblionarrator, but ultimately concluded that I couldn't see much of a benefit to it.
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19:47 pianohacker It's equivalent functionally, in truth. Just, again, much nicer syntax imo
19:47 jcamins Oh, definitely much nicer than XSLT, which I ruled out as well.
19:48 pianohacker ah, okay. What did you end up using (and for what part of biblionarrator, actually?)
19:48 jcamins Record display.
19:48 jcamins Handlebars, primarily.
19:48 jcamins Well, for non-self-describing formats, anyway.
19:48 pianohacker right
19:48 jcamins For self-describing formats, it's just a matter of walking the record and printing everything out as HTML.
19:54 jcamins Yeah,[…]t/renderer.js#L23
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19:56 oleonard Is there anyone out there who is making even halfway-decent arguments that RDA is a good thing?
19:56 jcamins oleonard: no.
19:57 jcamins Well, not arguments that get anywhere near convincing me.
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19:57 oleonard Seems like it would be easier if I could just drink the RDA kool-aid and get it over with.
19:58 oleonard "Just lie back and think of FRBR"
19:58 jcamins lol
19:59 jcamins You'd think that the RDA kool-aid would at least be sweetened.
19:59 jcamins But no. Unsweetened kool-aid.
20:00 oleonard It's particularly galling that the RDA Toolkit costs hundreds of dollars a year to access
20:00 jcamins Yeah. "We're all about inclusiveness and open access... NOW PAY US LOTS OF MONEY!"
20:04 oleonard Lucky for us the overarching rule of RDA seems to be, "You know, do, like, whatever you want."
20:05 jcamins I need to get little bags of M&Ms to A) make M&M cookies and B) give to trick-or-treaters.
20:05 oleonard At the end of September? Both will be gone by the time the trick-or-treaters arrive
20:06 jcamins The M&M cookies are for next week.
20:06 jcamins You may have a point on the M&Ms saved for trick-or-treaters.
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20:07 cait mmh M&Ms
20:08 * cait wants chocolate
20:12 * cait switches to qa
20:13 * oleonard switches to weekend
20:13 oleonard Bye #koha
20:13 cait bye oleonard :)
20:13 cait have a nice one
20:15 cait blou++
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20:52 cait @later tell eythian could you maybe take a look at bug 10733?
20:52 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
20:57 cait fredericd++
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20:57 cait fixing the annoyingly broken translated list email :)
21:25 cait gmcharlt: around?
21:26 gmcharlt cait: yes
21:26 cait I have a question about bug 10956
21:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10956 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Series of OPAC searches can cause a browser crash
21:26 cait hm wrong
21:26 cait bug 10949
21:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10949 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , hold request not retrieved when printing hold slip
21:26 cait it seems i can't reproduce the problem on master
21:26 gmcharlt the slip prints fine for you?
21:26 cait yes
21:27 cait hm it was an item level hold
21:27 cait should it make a difference?
21:27 * cait tries title level
21:28 cait no difference, my template is ugly, but there is a reserve slip
21:29 gmcharlt cait: it could /appear/ to work if the borrowernumber of the patron in question is the same as the reserve_id of a row in the reserves table
21:29 cait interesting
21:29 wahanui well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
21:29 gmcharlt is it the _right_ hold request? :)
21:29 cait let me see
21:29 cait and it is not
21:29 cait :)
21:29 cait tricky!
21:29 gmcharlt indeed
21:29 cait will leave a note to that in my testing notes
21:29 cait thx!
21:29 gmcharlt great!
21:29 gmcharlt and thank you!
21:30 * gmcharlt is just glad that your test patron and test hold didn't happen to have the same ID number ;)
21:31 cait :)
21:31 cait yes, but we would still have figured it out eventually
21:34 cait gmcharlt: you pass QA :)
21:34 cait well your patch does :)
21:34 gmcharlt eek -- I'm not sure I could bear if I personally failed QA! ;)
21:35 cait I think you are not in danger to :)
21:52 cait good night #koha :)
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