| Time |
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Message |
| 00:00 |
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FORMAL |
lol |
| 00:16 |
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* wizzyrea |
pats wahanui |
| 00:16 |
|
wizzyrea |
it's ok lil buddy, he didn't mean it. |
| 00:17 |
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wizzyrea |
can you link us to the place in the log? |
| 00:17 |
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| 00:18 |
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wizzyrea |
oh nm I missed that he had gone. |
| 00:18 |
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wizzyrea |
quant finance! quant finance! |
| 00:18 |
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* wizzyrea |
suspects someone was talking about quaint finance practices in libraries and spelled it wrong. |
| 00:19 |
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* jcamins |
theorizes that maybe "MARC" means something to quants. |
| 00:19 |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: actually, that's a better guess. |
| 00:19 |
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jcamins |
Way better. |
| 00:24 |
|
rangi |
or speaking french |
| 00:24 |
|
rangi |
Comete, pierrick: bah elle est inquiète par rapport au témoignage de l'école des mines quant à leur migration |
| 00:24 |
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jcamins |
rangi: or that. |
| 00:24 |
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dcook |
Mmm |
| 00:35 |
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| 00:46 |
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eythian |
https://www.usenix.org/system/[…]14-17_mickens.pdf |
| 00:50 |
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mtompset |
What does that have to do with anything, eythian? |
| 00:50 |
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eythian |
it's an entertaining look into the history of Intel's processor design process. |
| 00:57 |
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jcamins |
eythian: that was great. |
| 01:07 |
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eythian |
jcamins: it is, isn't it. |
| 01:24 |
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mtompset |
okay... if I'm installing a unimarc system... is grs or dom better (which will get me a working system without having to edit configuration files)? |
| 01:26 |
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jcamins |
GRS-1, there is no DOM configuration for UNIMARC. |
| 01:27 |
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mtompset |
Okay, that's good to know. |
| 01:28 |
|
mtompset |
Does chr vs. icu make a difference if I'm grabbing data from Biblibre's demo system? |
| 02:08 |
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eythian |
wahanui: php |
| 02:08 |
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wahanui |
i think php is http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012[…]al-of-bad-design/ |
| 02:09 |
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eythian |
wahanui: php is also http://www.phpwtf.org/ |
| 02:09 |
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wahanui |
okay, eythian. |
| 02:10 |
|
dcook |
Whoa... |
| 02:14 |
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jcamins |
I'm not sure that some of those are worthy of objection. |
| 02:15 |
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dcook |
...that site is run on Drupal...which is written in PHP, no? |
| 02:15 |
|
dcook |
Interesting.. |
| 02:15 |
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wahanui |
hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 02:15 |
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dcook |
"This site was born out of a DrupalCon presentation to educate people of PHP's quirks. If you want to use this material to bash PHP you are in the wrong place." |
| 02:16 |
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dcook |
O_o |
| 02:16 |
|
* dcook |
is confused |
| 02:30 |
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mtompset |
Isn't Frappat french slang for idiot? |
| 02:31 |
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dcook |
Not that I've ever heard but I'm not that familiar with French slang |
| 02:32 |
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mtompset |
I vaguely recall a story from my grade 10 french teacher saying that she was complaining about having to sleep with a fly swatter to someone in French, but the word for fly swatter was also used as slang for idiot. |
| 02:33 |
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mtompset |
Needless to say the person she was talking to was horrified to hear about her sleeping some one like that. |
| 02:33 |
|
dcook |
ahhh |
| 02:33 |
|
dcook |
Umm no |
| 02:33 |
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dcook |
I know what you're saying now |
| 02:34 |
|
dcook |
Tapette |
| 02:34 |
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dcook |
But it's not slang for idiot |
| 02:34 |
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dcook |
It's a homophobic slang word |
| 02:35 |
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mtompset |
even more horrifying then. :) |
| 02:35 |
|
dcook |
Much more |
| 02:35 |
|
dcook |
Wait |
| 02:35 |
|
dcook |
Horrifying word |
| 02:35 |
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mtompset |
yes. |
| 02:35 |
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mtompset |
My french teacher was straight as far as I knew. |
| 02:36 |
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mtompset |
Mixing up gender identity is horrifying too. |
| 02:37 |
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dcook |
I'm not entirely sure how to take your meaning, mtompset. |
| 02:37 |
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dcook |
My meaning is that tapette is a horrible slang word that no one should ever apply to another person. |
| 02:38 |
|
dcook |
As one's sexual preferences are really no business of anyone else's. |
| 02:39 |
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mtompset |
yes, I was referring to the secondary related idea that suggesting someone is attracted to a particular gender when they are not is horrifying. |
| 02:39 |
|
johnbljr |
Trying to quickly add books and wondering how I can add more frameworks - all I have listed is default and fast add...I still need to go in and choose Book...any suggestions on adding some more default ones? Are there any premade that I can just load in? |
| 02:40 |
|
jcamins |
frameworks? |
| 02:40 |
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wahanui |
frameworks are a big topic |
| 02:40 |
|
jcamins |
marc frameworks? |
| 02:40 |
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wahanui |
marc frameworks is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/MARC_frameworks |
| 02:40 |
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jcamins |
^^ there are a few there |
| 02:40 |
|
dcook |
While I personally wouldn't find that horrifying, I understand that someone else might and that is certainly their right to think that way (even if I might think it's a misguided way of thinking). |
| 02:40 |
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jcamins |
FWIW, I only ever use default and fast add. |
| 02:40 |
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dcook |
But that's my last word on that one, mtompset. I'm more than happy to drop the topic. |
| 02:40 |
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johnbljr |
Thanks. |
| 02:40 |
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mtompset |
dcook: Yes, let's. terrible scenario. |
| 02:41 |
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jcamins |
In fact, I strongly encourage my libraries not to use any of the other frameworks. |
| 02:41 |
|
* mtompset |
cheers. |
| 02:41 |
|
mtompset |
On a positive note. I have a Unimarc installation now. :) |
| 02:41 |
|
dcook |
Sweet. I should set one up one of these days... |
| 02:42 |
|
dcook |
Default and fastadd are usually the ones I advocate as well |
| 02:42 |
|
mtompset |
Default? |
| 02:42 |
|
wahanui |
somebody said Default was ports for those who dont have access/skills to run dns |
| 02:43 |
|
mtompset |
Why wouldn't you use a particular framework (like BKS, etc.)? Why just Default? |
| 02:43 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: because the frameworks that come suggested with Koha are all lacking fields and provide no added value. |
| 02:45 |
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mtompset |
What if you have all of the frameworks (BKS, etc.) updated to not lack fields, etc.? What would motivate the use of Default over the others? |
| 02:45 |
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jcamins |
If you've done that then all the frameworks are identical. |
| 02:45 |
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dcook |
^^ |
| 02:46 |
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mtompset |
So, books would require entering the same meta-data as videos? |
| 02:46 |
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jcamins |
(and you have therefore wasted a lot of your time) |
| 02:47 |
|
jcamins |
More or less. |
| 02:47 |
|
jcamins |
There are a handful of fields that are format-specific, but there are far more fields that aren't. |
| 02:47 |
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mtompset |
So, does Default have all the fields? |
| 02:47 |
|
jcamins |
Nearly. |
| 02:48 |
|
jcamins |
I think there's a patch adding the last few missing. |
| 02:56 |
|
mtompset |
okay... I'm testing a patch, and I think there's a file that is whack... how do I cherry pick from origin/master a particular file? |
| 03:00 |
|
jcamins |
Find the file you want and copy it to where you want it to go. |
| 03:02 |
|
eythian |
or something like git checkout -- origin/master:path/to/file |
| 03:02 |
|
eythian |
might not be exactly that, but it's similar |
| 03:02 |
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jcamins |
eythian: doesn't that hide the diff, though? |
| 03:03 |
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mtompset |
I don't want the diff. |
| 03:03 |
|
mtompset |
I want the original file before the patch. |
| 03:03 |
|
eythian |
oh |
| 03:03 |
|
eythian |
git reset path/to/file perhaps then |
| 03:04 |
|
eythian |
or maybe it's checkout |
| 03:04 |
|
eythian |
This stuff I usually look up. |
| 03:04 |
|
dcook |
git checkout -- path/to/file perhaps? |
| 03:04 |
|
mtompset |
That didn't work dcook. |
| 03:04 |
|
mtompset |
I did look at the git diff, and figured out the problem. |
| 03:04 |
|
mtompset |
But it would be really handy to know how to go, "I want the origin/master version of this file and start from scratch." |
| 03:06 |
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eythian |
reset should do it |
| 03:06 |
|
mtompset |
you can reset an individual file? |
| 03:06 |
|
mtompset |
Okay, that's useful to know. |
| 03:09 |
|
eythian |
yeah, pretty sure you can |
| 03:09 |
|
wizzyrea |
i usually just git checkout |
| 03:09 |
|
eythian |
mtompset: also, you should look into using the patch review thing on bugzilla |
| 03:09 |
|
wizzyrea |
git checkout file.name |
| 03:09 |
|
wizzyrea |
might not work with a patch though |
| 03:09 |
|
eythian |
I think checkout is probably better in this case. |
| 03:09 |
|
wizzyrea |
it will if you've done stuff but haven't committed it |
| 03:10 |
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eythian |
reset is mostly for undoing a git add when used on files. |
| 03:10 |
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wizzyrea |
"there's probably a flag for that (tm)" |
| 03:10 |
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eythian |
but you could make it change the content with --hard. |
| 03:10 |
|
mtompset |
patch review thing on bugzilla? |
| 03:10 |
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wizzyrea |
true |
| 03:11 |
|
eythian |
mtompset: yes |
| 03:11 |
|
eythian |
you click 'review' beside the patch. |
| 03:11 |
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wizzyrea |
ohhh |
| 03:11 |
|
wizzyrea |
git checkout master~2 file.name |
| 03:12 |
|
wizzyrea |
check out the version of file.name from 2 commits back |
| 03:13 |
|
wizzyrea |
mtompset++ for making me look at the git checkout man page. |
| 03:14 |
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eythian |
mtompset: you should use the review thing on bugzilla by reading the instructions :) you can comment on a particular line, which is what you wanted there I think. |
| 03:16 |
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mtompset |
:( The interface for it is not intuitive. |
| 03:16 |
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mtompset |
I'm not going to spam bugs list again. |
| 03:17 |
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eythian |
it isn't intuitive at all. |
| 03:19 |
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wizzyrea |
which bug? |
| 03:20 |
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mtompset |
I'm working on testing bug 6874 |
| 03:20 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC |
| 03:20 |
|
mtompset |
And I only found this problem as a result of trying to install a fresh install UNIMARC koha. |
| 03:21 |
|
mtompset |
Thoroughness is a good thing! |
| 03:22 |
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mtompset |
Ah... there's a double click to review the line individually. |
| 03:23 |
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mtompset |
Okay... figured it is... mouse over tool tip doesn't always appear. |
| 03:23 |
|
mtompset |
^is^out^ |
| 03:27 |
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wizzyrea |
did the framework guy leave? |
| 03:28 |
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wizzyrea |
I was going to elucidate the reasons for having the other frameworks, from a practical point of view (i.e. for libraries that don't care about MARC completeness) |
| 03:28 |
|
wizzyrea |
but if he's gone I won't bother. |
| 03:29 |
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mtompset |
I'll listen to you, wizzyrea. :) |
| 03:29 |
|
mtompset |
I'm a library noob. :) |
| 03:30 |
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wizzyrea |
hehe |
| 03:35 |
|
mtompset |
Because if you have a framework with every possible field/subfield... why would you need another one that doesn't? |
| 03:36 |
|
eythian |
because that really clutters your display |
| 03:36 |
|
eythian |
also makes it easy to miss one that you should have filled out, because you're skipping 90% of them anyway. |
| 03:37 |
|
dcook |
Depending on what type of cataloguer you are :p |
| 03:38 |
|
dcook |
And the item being catalogued |
| 03:38 |
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wizzyrea |
yea but not every library needs professional records. If they do, they don't do it themselves, they get the records from OCLC. |
| 03:38 |
|
dcook |
True true |
| 03:38 |
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wizzyrea |
or another trusted source. |
| 03:38 |
|
dcook |
Those usually benefit from the fast add framework then |
| 03:38 |
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wizzyrea |
I don't think it's really that easy. |
| 03:39 |
|
dcook |
It's not always |
| 03:39 |
|
eythian |
fast add is a different thing again really though |
| 03:39 |
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wizzyrea |
I have seen a very wide variety of uses for the frameworks |
| 03:39 |
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dcook |
I imagine some people do use the serials one |
| 03:39 |
|
dcook |
Maybe a/v |
| 03:39 |
|
wizzyrea |
and lots of our libraries use one "Articles" |
| 03:40 |
|
dcook |
Mmm, right |
| 03:40 |
|
dcook |
I think what jcamins wants to avoid by using different frameworks is the staleness of frameworks |
| 03:40 |
|
* eythian |
wonders how this particular data has a coauthor with no author. |
| 03:40 |
|
wizzyrea |
and yet more wanted to have a specific framework that put all the fields they always use on tab 0, and the optional ones on other tabs |
| 03:41 |
|
dcook |
Ideally, it would be nice if there were one tag library and then each "framework" were a view of it |
| 03:41 |
|
dcook |
Optional? |
| 03:41 |
|
wahanui |
whatever jcamins forgets to check is optional. |
| 03:41 |
|
mtompset |
Ooooh... yes. dcook. I like that. So all the tags are there, but the framework changes the view. |
| 03:42 |
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wizzyrea |
that was supposed to be the purpose, back in the day. XSLT kind of changed that |
| 03:42 |
|
mtompset |
Then you wouldn't necessarily have to tab between 1XX, 2XX, etc. records. |
| 03:42 |
|
wizzyrea |
and they do do that |
| 03:42 |
|
dcook |
Not really |
| 03:42 |
|
wizzyrea |
for the cataloging interface |
| 03:43 |
|
dcook |
Each framework has its own tag library |
| 03:43 |
|
mtompset |
tags to display, not actual tags. |
| 03:43 |
|
dcook |
If your framework doesn't have a particular field showing, it gets nixed when you save |
| 03:43 |
|
dcook |
Or if you need to add a field, you need to add it to all frameworks (or figure out the ones that probably shoudl have it) |
| 03:44 |
|
mtompset |
Whatever... not like frameworks are going to change in the near future. :) |
| 03:44 |
|
dcook |
true true |
| 03:44 |
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wizzyrea |
the thing where you have to add it to all of them if you want it is a pain. |
| 03:44 |
|
wizzyrea |
and that editing interface is pants. |
| 03:44 |
|
dcook |
It certainly is |
| 03:44 |
|
wizzyrea |
way too many clicks. |
| 03:45 |
|
dcook |
I accept the premise that you'd want different views for different purposes though. |
| 03:45 |
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mtompset |
That's a good premise, I think. |
| 03:45 |
|
dcook |
I think older systems called them templates |
| 03:45 |
|
dcook |
wizzyrea: way too many clicks |
| 03:45 |
|
johnbljr |
the reason I did not have it was because my install used UNIMARC and not Marc21 |
| 03:45 |
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* dcook |
misses the pure text interface of yore |
| 03:46 |
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wizzyrea |
ah a cataloguing purist. |
| 03:46 |
|
dcook |
A cataloguing pragmatist :p |
| 03:46 |
|
dcook |
You can catalogue way faster with that text interface |
| 03:46 |
|
dcook |
You didn't need to touch the mouse |
| 03:46 |
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dcook |
I might have a touch of purity though, which is one reason I decided not to be a cataloguer :p |
| 03:47 |
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* dcook |
would rather offer cataloguing advice than obsess over "perfectly" descrbing a resource |
| 03:47 |
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wizzyrea |
there's a problem between the people who don't want to have climb the super steep learning curve of a text interface, vs the people who want to be able to just pick it up and go |
| 03:48 |
|
wizzyrea |
rather the people who have slaved over their text interface for so long that they have a hard time with anything else |
| 03:48 |
|
wizzyrea |
because yea, no mousing is fast |
| 03:48 |
|
wizzyrea |
it's also harder to learn |
| 03:48 |
|
dcook |
It is |
| 03:48 |
|
eythian |
steep learning curves are good, because it means in a short time you learn a lot. It's the shallow ones that are bad because over a long time you learn very little. |
| 03:48 |
|
dcook |
Ideally, it would be nice to have two interfaces |
| 03:48 |
|
wizzyrea |
much harder to climb though ;) |
| 03:48 |
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dcook |
eythian: That's downright quoteable |
| 03:49 |
|
dcook |
Initially learning to program: steep learning curve |
| 03:49 |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: no it isn't, because it takes you less time to do so. |
| 03:49 |
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dcook |
Trying to program well: way more shallow and difficult.. |
| 03:49 |
|
* dcook |
agrees |
| 03:49 |
|
dcook |
Anyway, got to go |
| 03:49 |
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wizzyrea |
lol I guess that depends on when you think you're done learning |
| 03:49 |
|
wizzyrea |
and if there's ever an end |
| 03:50 |
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eythian |
not really, if it's a graph, it's best when it's steep. |
| 03:50 |
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dcook |
life-long learning of steep learning curves :p |
| 03:50 |
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dcook |
ok, really going now |
| 03:50 |
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eythian |
time on X, amount learned on Y |
| 03:51 |
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wizzyrea |
mm ok, if we're talking about a graph then yes. |
| 03:52 |
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wizzyrea |
if we are talking about effort expended though, no. |
| 03:52 |
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eythian |
then it wouldn't be a learning curve, it'd be an effort expended curve. |
| 03:52 |
|
eythian |
curve is just a word for an often-monotonic graph after all. |
| 03:54 |
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wizzyrea |
I think I could happily argue about this with you all day |
| 04:05 |
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mtompset |
@quote add "eythian:steep learning curves are good, because it means in a short time you learn a lot. It's the shallow ones that are bad because over a long time you learn very little." |
| 04:05 |
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huginn |
mtompset: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 04:06 |
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mtompset |
@quote add "eythian:steep learning curves are good, because it means in a short time you learn a lot. It's the shallow ones that are bad because over a long time you learn very little." |
| 04:06 |
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huginn |
mtompset: The operation succeeded. Quote #279 added. |
| 04:06 |
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mtompset |
@get quote 278 |
| 04:06 |
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huginn |
mtompset: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Lart, Quote, and ReleaseDay plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get". |
| 04:06 |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 04:06 |
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mtompset |
@quote get 278 |
| 04:06 |
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huginn |
mtompset: Quote #278: "jcamins: ... OMGOMGOMG MUST FIX ALL THE THINGS." (added by mtompset at 03:50 AM, September 17, 2013) |
| 04:07 |
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mtompset |
@quote random |
| 04:07 |
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huginn |
mtompset: Quote #119: "<wasabi> wow, and a pig!!! -> http://www.blainefranger.com/b[…]8_nepali_food.jpg" (added by wasabi at 10:22 AM, January 27, 2011) |
| 04:08 |
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mtompset |
@quote random |
| 04:08 |
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huginn |
mtompset: Quote #214: "obelos: Perhaps this means it's time for HLT to choose a different name so we can all move on with our work without this distraction." (added by mtj at 01:52 AM, August 08, 2012) |
| 04:08 |
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mtompset |
@quote random |
| 04:08 |
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huginn |
mtompset: Quote #199: "chris_n: considering marc is scary to us, I can't imagine what it does to patrons." (added by wizzyrea at 02:24 PM, April 09, 2012) |
| 04:08 |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 04:08 |
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mtompset |
considering marc? |
| 04:08 |
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wahanui |
considering marc is scarry to us, I can't imagine what it does to patrons |
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Oak |
kia ora #koha |
| 04:13 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, Oak! |
| 04:13 |
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mtompset |
Long time no chat. |
| 04:13 |
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* mtompset |
cheers, "Woo hoo! Triggered all the C4::Biblio changes in this patch." |
| 04:16 |
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Oak |
hello mtompset :) yes... lot of things going on here so no time to chat lately. |
| 04:18 |
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mtompset |
It doesn't help that my timezone has shifted. |
| 04:18 |
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mtompset |
I should be going to sleep shortly. |
| 04:18 |
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mtompset |
It's after midnight here. |
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Oak |
:) yeah |
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mtompset |
Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha dcook Oak wizzyrea eythian and anyone else I missed. :) |
| 04:34 |
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eythian |
oh hey, New Zealand now has access to google books |
| 04:36 |
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eythian |
...although it says most of them aren't available, so who knows. |
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eythian |
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waves |
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magnuse |
nudge nudge http://area51.stackexchange.co[…]-library-software |
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magnuse |
@marc 571 |
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huginn |
magnuse: unknown tag 571 |
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marcelr |
hi #koha |
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wizzyrea_ |
sup |
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yo |
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reiveune |
hello |
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magnuse |
hei! |
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* magnuse |
suspects stackexchange is not going to happen |
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marcelr |
hi magnuse |
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mtj |
heya magnuse, marcelr |
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hi mtj |
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mtj |
magnuse, yeah - we just cant accept having SE mods closing legitimate questions on our forum… :/ |
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magnuse |
yeah, that is a downer |
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mtj |
but, as others have recommend - discourse or shapado look good |
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…we can run either of those on *our* server, without the threat of random moderators trashing the site ^^ |
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magnuse |
yay! anyone volunteering to install? |
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mtj |
afaik, not yet |
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magnuse |
ruby seems to be the cool kid on the block these days... |
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samueld |
hi everybody |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on September 26, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
@wunder marseille |
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magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 20.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on September 26, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
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cait |
morning #koha |
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magnuse |
guten morgen holiday-cait! |
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cait |
morning :) |
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Oak |
i can try/set-up Discourse on my computer, and if it works there, I can set up a micro instance on AWS for you guys to play with... |
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Oak |
hello cait \o |
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cait |
hi Oak :) |
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cait |
hi kathryn_ |
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cait |
wrong time of day! :) |
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I know! :) hi cait :) |
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cait |
but yu are not still working i hope? |
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wizzyrea_ |
sup kathryn_ :) |
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kathryn_ |
hiyee I'm just lurking around, reading home renovation blogs :) |
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wizzyrea_ |
oooo |
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kathryn_ |
noone blogs entertainingly about fixing leaks |
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wizzyrea_ |
surely there's a joke to be made about filling crevices with silicone |
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kathryn_ |
aye! |
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kathryn_ |
maybe this is my inter-niche |
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magnuse |
tee hee |
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magnuse |
wb wizzyrea_ |
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wizzyrea_ |
lol the hazards of using a web based irc client. |
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magnuse |
moahahaha |
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wizzyrea_ |
i had to rebuild my laptop, hasn't been a priority to get konversation set up again :) |
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magnuse |
wizzyrea_: rebuild physically, or just reinstall software? |
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wizzyrea_ |
well a little of both |
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wizzyrea_ |
i kind of burned up mine >.> |
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magnuse |
ouch?!? |
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wizzyrea_ |
well laptops and pillows don't seem to mix >.> |
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magnuse |
heh |
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* Oak |
always puts a flat clipboard under his laptop... when using in bed |
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cait |
huge comic book here |
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Oak |
:) ooh comic book! |
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Oak |
geek aleret |
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cait |
heh |
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Oak |
i was thinking, that forums like phpbb may also be a good fit for us. in a phpbb forum we can have sub-forums like General, Announcements, Programming, jQuery, OPAC, and then topics inside them. this way things get organized a bit. and our community is quite sensible one so there won't be huge mess of topics. and in that "forumy" sense, Discourse looks good too. I saw this: http://ubuntu-discourse.org/ |
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cait |
hm i don't like forums much personally |
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Oak |
hm |
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Oak |
elaborate a bit.... |
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cait |
but that's me :) i am complicated |
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cait |
trying.. |
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cait |
i think thinks get easily lost in their |
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cait |
i like the rating idea for good answers |
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cait |
because if a form thread has like.. 10 pages it gets hard to follow, like with some of those looong bug discussions we tend to have |
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Oak |
yeah rating system is great. i read an answer with most UPs in SE and just ignore the other answers... saves time. |
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cait |
think things... |
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Oak |
you have a point. |
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will google "forum+rating+system" |
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cait |
i think the stack exchange idea was good |
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cait |
just having it on an independent platform |
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Oak |
hm |
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Oak |
http://meta.stackoverflow.com/[…]k-overflow-clones |
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Oak |
'shapado' looks interesting |
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Oak |
but no. we need something free I think. |
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cait |
yep |
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cait |
doing dishes bbl |
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magnuse |
shapado is free software, agpl |
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magnuse |
they just try to hide it :-) |
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magnuse |
at the bottom here: https://shapado.com/plans it says "Powered by Shapado 4.1.0 under the GNU Affero General Public License" and there is a link to http://gitorious.org/shapado |
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Oak |
ooh let me check that |
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Oak |
where is the download link magnuse? let's download 100 copies of it asap!! |
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Oak |
oh wait. clone repository! |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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marcelr |
hi oleonard |
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magnuse |
clone all the repositories! |
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oleonard |
Sorry, but if someone starts a Koha phpbb forum I will not be visiting. |
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cait |
you don't like forums either? |
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oleonard |
No. Too hard to keep up with. If I'm forced to visit every day to find out what's new I just won't. |
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cait |
true |
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magnuse |
yup |
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oleonard |
I'm open to the stack exchange model because it could act as a sort of FAQ system. I don't see a need for a new discussion venue. |
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cait |
oleonard: well put :) |
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cait |
i agree, but I couldn't really explain my aversion to forums earlier |
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oleonard |
With any discussion system you need to be able to quickly scan through to see if there are topics which are relevant to you and ignore the rest. I think email is best for this because I'm already reading email throughout the day. |
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* cait |
nods |
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oleonard |
Bug 2969 could use some second and third opinions with regard to gmcharlt's last comment |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2969 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, amit.gupta, In Discussion , Report Name should be mandatory for saved reports |
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oleonard |
Good enough, or needs more work? |
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cait |
hm i think a good first step - i'd take that and do a separate bug for more screw tigthening |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
oleonard: commented |
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oleonard |
Thanks cait |
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cait |
yw |
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magnuse |
oleonard++ cait++ |
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cait |
hm? |
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druthb |
cait++ |
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oleonard |
Yes, us++ for being awake! |
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druthb |
oleonard++ |
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* cait |
hides |
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magnuse |
for moving bugs along, one comment at a time :-) |
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tcohen |
morning #koha |
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cait |
morning tcohen |
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Joubu |
thanks oleonard for the followup on bug 10858 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Browse selected biblios |
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oleonard |
You're welcome |
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oleonard |
Bug 10951 is a good idea, but it would have been nice to implement it in a Koha News kind of way, with different values for different languages |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10951 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, ASSIGNED , Make the NoLoginInstructions a customizable field through preferences |
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cait |
oleonard: true for every new preference like that |
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cait |
i like that they kept the translatable standard message in the template |
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cait |
i think it looks like noone is going to implement it as 'news' currently :( |
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* oleonard |
would do it if he were smart that way |
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cait |
similar problem here |
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oleonard |
Maybe cait1 knows how to do it. She's the latest version! |
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Oak |
i was about to say a similar thing |
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cait1 |
i have 3 big building sites in the neighboorhood |
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cait1 |
and my interent is down :( |
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cait1 |
... |
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cait1 |
back using umts |
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tcohen |
i cait1 |
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tcohen |
s/^i/hi/ |
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Oak |
aye aye cait1 |
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Oak |
it should be "run forrest run" |
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Oak |
double r |
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Topic for #koha is now QA sprint, run Forrest run! | http://area51.stackexchange.co[…]-library-software |
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oleonard |
Let it not be said I didn't get anything done today. |
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oleonard |
Joubu: I think it's odd that msaby and I both got the same error testing Bug 10857 (an error I've never gotten before) but I will retest today. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10857 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Add facets cancellation |
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Joubu |
oleonard: yes, but I think the jajm's patch will definitly fix the issue |
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slef |
@marc 245 b |
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huginn |
slef: Remainder of title |
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slef |
@marc 245 |
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huginn |
slef: The title and statement of responsibility area of the bibliographic description of a work. [a,b,c,f,g,h,k,n,p,s,6,8] |
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slef |
wahanui: MARC? |
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wahanui |
MARC is probably the standard that isn't |
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slef |
wahanui: MARC21? |
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wahanui |
i heard MARC21 was at http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/ecbdlist.html , http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ecadlist.html |
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alaquerre |
Hi all, question for everyone : Is there a way in Koha to work with Alfresco ? The goal we have here is to put pdf and word document inside Alfresco. After that, if we query Koha, we would like to get result from Alfresco ? Possible ? |
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cait |
not without catalouging something in Koha |
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slef |
or configuring pazpar2? |
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cait |
maybe |
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cait |
there is a patch from Jesse to have external z39.50 targets but it's currently stuck |
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cait |
waiting for rebase |
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slef |
does Alfresco speak z39.50 or similar |
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slef |
? |
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cait |
I would be surprised :( |
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alaquerre |
I can't tell |
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slef |
Does anyone know why does fieldmapping.sql only exist in uk-UA and ru-RU? |
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cait |
slef: no, but they have done some things different than others |
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cait |
what is in the file? |
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cait |
slef: actually i wanted to ask you about a bug when you showed up |
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slef |
sets up subtitle in two frameworks |
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cait |
slef: ah, no i don't think the other languages have that |
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slef |
cait: you can try but I have no spare koha time until 1 Oct ;-) |
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slef |
@query subtitle |
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huginn |
slef: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4166 normal, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , No way to know what keywords to use for Keyword Mapping |
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huginn |
slef: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8265 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Allow a better form of the title to be included in notices |
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huginn |
slef: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6016 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Keyword Mapping Should Work with XSLT turned on |
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cait |
that's ok |
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huginn |
slef: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7074 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , keyword mapping on checkin and checkout screen |
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cait |
just need an info |
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huginn |
slef: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10383 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , printable version of bib record doesn't include subtitle in staff client |
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cait |
slef: bug 7716 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7716 enhancement, P3, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Statistical/analytic item type |
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cait |
you marked it sponsored,so I wondered if there was something i could start from already if I tried to do something like that :) |
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slef |
oh yeah |
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cait |
I'd really like to have that for our ILL workflow and copies of articles the user gets to keep |
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cait |
obviously such a thing wouldn'tmake it into 3.14 |
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cait |
but i'd like to start sometime soon after the release |
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slef |
There's wip/bug_7716 on the server I'm working on right now. |
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cait |
can you give me a link? |
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cait |
and would it be ok to take a look? keeping your work intact of course |
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slef |
Sadly not but If you can remind me the send-email command, I'll send it across. |
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slef |
or if it's published, I can rebase and git bz it |
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cait |
do you meant git send-email -f um commit or something like that? |
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slef |
but if it isn't there may be a reason |
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slef |
so I'd need to check what we did wrong :-/ |
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slef |
(client data leak, usually) |
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cait |
oh |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
well if you could put it somewhere on your list it would be nice |
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slef |
if it leaks, I'll send it to you because I trust you |
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cait |
aww |
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slef |
but I won't publish it |
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cait |
what do you mean by client data leak? |
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slef |
it hardcodes some aspect of the sponsoring library |
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slef |
I'm forever trying to avoid them, but sometimes they still sneak through. |
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cait |
ah ok, hm problematic |
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slef |
Sometimes I even create them when I need a particular value or behaviour and I've no way for koha to do it yet. |
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cait |
hm we will have to take that out then I think - before anything could go on bugzilla |
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slef |
yeah but it should give you a start |
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cait |
that would be cool |
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slef |
OK it's been a while. When filing a new bug, do I click "New Case" or "New Run"? |
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oleonard |
Wow, I am quite consistently crashing Firefox by clicking a link in OPAC search results. I wonder what the trick is? |
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slef |
wahanui: bug reporting guidelines? |
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wahanui |
wish i knew, slef |
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slef |
wahanui: bug reporting? |
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wahanui |
rumour has it bug reporting is explained at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]orting_Guidelines |
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slef |
Choose "Enter a new bug" |
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cait |
slef: neither, new abit above |
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cait |
yep that one :) |
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slef |
errr, where's that then? |
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cait |
the other is a plugin ... i have no idea still what it does |
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cait |
rangi and gmcharlt were testing something |
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cait |
slef: first row of links: Home | New |
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* slef |
tries "File a bug" on the home page, muttering about incorrect docs and the need to redirect his openID to something that still works |
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gmcharlt |
cait: slef: testopia -- an add-on to allow test cases to be written and linked to bugs |
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gmcharlt |
a few have been written, but I've not had much time to take the experiment further |
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cait |
gmcharlt: i tried playin with it, but i was not able to figure out how it would work |
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cait |
gmcharlt: can you point to an example? |
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cait |
gmcharlt: it's all empty for me when i open it and go through the tabs and tree structure |
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slef |
Bug 6716 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, P3, ---, nengard, RESOLVED FIXED, Database Documentation |
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slef |
The attachment you are attempting to access has been removed. |
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slef |
yay |
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slef |
oh I'll do git log --grep=... |
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slef |
Bug 10953 has been added to the database |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10953 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Missing subtitle fieldmapping unless you use ru-RU or uk-UA |
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cait |
slef: what's the problem with the file? :) |
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cait |
the mapping is a default feature |
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cait |
so we could provide a sample file, but there it should not cause you any problems if you miss the configuration |
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cait |
and i think it only works without xslt |
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gmcharlt |
cait: here's an example http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ase.cgi?case_id=1 |
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cait |
i am not uathorized :( |
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cait |
You are not authorized to view case 1 |
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gmcharlt |
ah, that would be a problem :) |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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rambutan |
hi mtompset |
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mtompset |
Greetings, rambutan. |
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gmcharlt |
cait: OK, please try again |
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slef |
cait: there is no file |
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slef |
cait: xslt transforms marcxml IIRC so sidesteps the issue, but as long as Normal View is default, I think we should make it easier to show subtitles |
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cait |
slef: that's ok - maybe we should change the default tho at some point |
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cait |
hm maybe we did |
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cait |
gmcharlt: can access now |
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cait |
but have to run to the post office |
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cait |
will take a closer look a little later |
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oleonard |
Who wants to try to crash Firefox? Do a keyword search, click on one of the results. Click the author link on the detail page to perform an author search. Click a facet in the author search results. Click a title on the resulting search results. |
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* slef |
does that |
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* cait |
grumps |
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cait |
they are on vacation |
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slef |
the post office? |
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cait |
and i have this huge package i can barely carry |
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oleonard |
Trying it in Chrome doesn't result in a crash but the page has been endlessly loading. |
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cait |
that needs to get sent back today or tomorrow |
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slef |
oleonard: no crash, but I think I may be endlessly loading. |
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cait |
slef: not german post... but the shop where i need to bring the package to that was in walking distance |
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slef |
oleonard: I think I just did two subject searches in a while. |
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slef |
aieee server down |
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cait |
that is so annoying. |
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slef |
not down, just slow |
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slef |
mysqld hogging |
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* slef |
tries it again |
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slef |
ok, now it's working... the mysqld slowdown may have been unrelated |
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slef |
oleonard: sorry, worksforme in 3.10 (I think) |
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rambutan |
facet? |
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slef |
rambutan: I think he means the "Refine your search" bit on the left |
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slef |
BICBW |
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kivilahtio__ |
Phew! Just generalized the UseLibraryTransferLimits to limit holds as well. |
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oleonard |
Works for me in 3.10 too |
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oleonard |
But not in master |
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kivilahtio__ |
6h, not bad considering this is my first modification test thingy |
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kivilahtio__ |
+some debugging time |
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kivilahtio__ |
I mean time to properly configure the CGI debugging tools |
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* cait |
arranged that it will be picked up on saturday - yay |
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rambutan |
oleonard: I'm clearly not doing things right, but it works for me |
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oleonard |
rambutan: In master? |
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cait |
ok gone again :) |
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rambutan |
ah, no |
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cait |
kivilahtio__: make sure you file a bug and give back your modifications |
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cait |
kivilahtio__: being stuck on highly modified koha is evil :) |
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oleonard |
Facets. Facets facets facets. @query facets |
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oleonard |
@query facets |
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huginn |
oleonard: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1964 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Facetted searching should change search box |
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huginn |
oleonard: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9361 normal, P4, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC 610 and 611 fields in bulk imports are not linked to authorities |
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huginn |
oleonard: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3451 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , No facets for tags search |
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huginn |
oleonard: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , tags not searchable |
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huginn |
oleonard: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8026 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Facets code should allow to build facets on controlfields |
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oleonard |
Yes, I'm pretty sure facets are a thing. |
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oleonard |
I was hoping Bug 10952 would cure that crash, but no. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10952 major, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Store anonymous search history in session |
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oleonard |
Happens with search history disabled and with browse results disabled. |
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mtompset |
Okay... more progress. Need to figure out how to trigger baskets. |
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mtompset |
SPLIT! |
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mtompset |
YAY! I figured out how to trigger the basket.pl |
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magnuse |
druthb! |
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druthb |
magnuse! |
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wahanui |
magnuse is a Norwegian giant. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, tcohen druthb magnuse, etc. :) |
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magnuse |
hiya mtompset |
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druthb |
hi, mtompset! :) |
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druthb |
wahanui: mtompset? |
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wahanui |
mtompset is fighting a test writing learning curve to get code in before feature slush. |
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mtompset |
Close. |
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mtompset |
Testing a patch like crazy in hopes that it makes feature freeze. |
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magnuse |
mtompset++ |
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mtompset |
Thanks, magnuse. :) |
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* mtompset |
sighs. |
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mtompset |
What is recommended if the behaviour handling is poor for bad data cases? |
| 17:56 |
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mtompset |
Signoff and note bad cases? |
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cait |
if something bad happens |
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mtompset |
Not signoff, and note bad cases? |
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cait |
you should note it |
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cait |
it always depends, i don't know what you've found |
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cait |
but trying to break the feature with wrong input should always be part of the testing |
| 17:57 |
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mtompset |
The page allows for uploading files. |
| 17:57 |
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mtompset |
Well, if you don't specify where, and click submit, it still uploads the file, but gives and error. |
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cait |
a perl error? |
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wahanui |
a perl error is not realted to that feature |
| 17:58 |
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mtompset |
It shouldn't upload at all in that case. |
| 17:58 |
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mtompset |
no, an "We didn't like this" type error which is programmed. |
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cait |
it does sound probleamtic yes |
| 17:58 |
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cait |
but if it still uploads and does state it didn't... that's problematic |
| 17:59 |
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mtompset |
exactly. |
| 17:59 |
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mtompset |
it uploads, but the error makes it sound like it failed. |
| 17:59 |
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mtompset |
so when you try again... it fails again. |
| 17:59 |
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mtompset |
and you are forced to read the error logs to determine why. |
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cait |
is there any security measure about what kind of files you can uplaod? |
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cait |
where are they saved to? |
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mtompset |
You can upload ANYTHING that is a file. |
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mtompset |
though, I suspect large files may time out (haven't gotten there yet) |
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cait |
ahum. |
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cait |
where does it end up? |
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mtompset |
as for where. |
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mtompset |
you configure that in the koha-conf.xml |
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mtompset |
and you can create sub-directories from within that directory to allow for grouping. |
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mtompset |
There is no way to get it to write outside those directories as far as I can tell. |
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tcohen |
cait: this is wrong, right? http://snag.gy/Ea0X8.jpg |
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tcohen |
the ' -- ' after 'by' |
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cait |
hm that's non xslt I think? |
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tcohen |
no, that's XSLT |
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cait |
for UNIMARC? |
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tcohen |
MARC21 |
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cait |
oh |
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cait |
then it looks weird |
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jcamins |
tcohen: it's for corporate authors. |
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tcohen |
the register only has 710$a and 710$b |
| 18:04 |
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tcohen |
i'm fixing bug 10957 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , 710$a with 710$b (subordinate unit) present shows wrong (XSLT) |
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jcamins |
I don't remember why, but there was a reason that corporate authors are introduced with double dashes. |
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tcohen |
oh, it is intended then |
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tcohen |
not a visualizatio bug |
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jcamins |
Yeah, but I wouldn't have any objection to removing it. |
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* cait |
looks up train connections to and from the airport :) |
| 18:06 |
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tcohen |
should i add dot at the end? |
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* mtompset |
smirks, "-- . $$!" |
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mtompset |
Librarians have their own formatting quirkiness. |
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cait |
oh please no dots |
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cait |
people here tell me they look silly |
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jcamins |
What cait is saying is that libraries are already dotty. |
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magnuse |
too true! :-) |
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magnuse |
anyone else had trouble opening the value builders in the cataloguing screen in internet explorer? |
| 18:11 |
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magnuse |
ie-- |
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cait |
not yet, but i haven't tried |
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mtompset |
Oh... good testing idea. |
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cait |
i think it was ok in the training i did |
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mtompset |
Oh right... I need cookies. |
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jcamins |
magnuse: works fine in IE10. |
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jcamins |
Ugh. |
| 18:14 |
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jcamins |
How did I end up with IE10? |
| 18:14 |
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* jcamins |
goes questing for older versions. |
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magnuse |
jcamins, cait: thanks. it could possibly be that normarc does things differently than marc21 - i have not kept up to date with some changes that were done for marc21 (and probably unimarc)... |
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jcamins |
Here's IE8. I shall try. |
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oleonard |
IE10 is sneaky |
| 18:15 |
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jcamins |
Works in IE8. |
| 18:17 |
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magnuse |
thanks jcamins |
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oleonard |
I'm perplexed by this, so I'll ask again: Is anyone else seeing collection codes listed under Item type search facets? |
| 18:17 |
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* magnuse |
wanders off |
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cait |
sorry, can't test righ tnow |
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jcamins |
oleonard: nopes. |
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jcamins |
s/s// |
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mtompset |
-- . :P |
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oleonard |
Anyone have any suggestions for where I might look to confirm that I have wonky data causing this? |
| 18:19 |
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mtompset |
Oops... I wonder. |
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mtompset |
@karma mtompset |
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huginn |
mtompset: Karma for "mtompset" has been increased 38 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 35. |
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oleonard |
Looking at the patch on Bug 4255 it looks like it looks for 952y and 942c? |
| 18:20 |
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mtompset |
Okay... whew. Didn't accidentally -- myself. :) |
| 18:20 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4255 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, meenakshi.r, RESOLVED FIXED, Add item type to facet list |
| 18:23 |
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oleonard |
Clicking on one of these collection code facets breaks the functionality of Bug 10857 so I'd like to confirm that it's a data problem |
| 18:23 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10857 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Add facets cancellation |
| 18:24 |
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tcohen |
bug 10957, attached the patch |
| 18:24 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , 710$a with 710$b (subordinate unit) present shows wrong (XSLT) |
| 18:27 |
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cait |
oleonard: check the item information for the result list? |
| 18:28 |
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oleonard |
I've queried the database for items with invalid itemtypes/ccodes and come up empty. |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
oleonard: full reindex? |
| 18:34 |
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cait |
it looks at the zebra data i think |
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oleonard |
I think I found it |
| 18:36 |
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oleonard |
I'm finding collection codes in 942a |
| 18:36 |
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cait |
oh |
| 18:36 |
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mtompset |
cait: Is that last comment friendlier testing steps on bug 6874? |
| 18:36 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC |
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cait |
mtompset: yes |
| 18:37 |
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cait |
where is your problem description? |
| 18:37 |
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cait |
ah i see |
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cait |
the issues note :) |
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mtompset |
ccodes? Did someone say ccodes? |
| 18:39 |
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mtompset |
I was noticing a warning in the error logs related to ccodes last night. |
| 18:44 |
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oleonard |
So, hooray. We have junky data. What else is new I guess. |
| 18:44 |
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oleonard |
Being a pioneer of Koha adoption carries some risk of cruft I think |
| 18:45 |
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jcamins |
Being a library carries some risk of cruft. |
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* cait |
hands oleonard cookies |
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jcamins |
Cookies. Yum. |
| 18:45 |
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jcamins |
What kind of cookies should I make? |
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mtompset |
Junky data is good. It means it isn't your fault, unless you do the cataloguing. :) |
| 18:47 |
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mtompset |
Oooo... cookie ideas... let me see.. I should send you a page suggestion on facebook. |
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rambutan |
yea, I intend to do that |
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rambutan |
cait; well, I think you'd need to show up here once a week or so |
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cait |
that oculd be difficult then |
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cait |
too bad :) |
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rambutan |
oleonard: ah, no, but she's very supportive of open source in general and Koha and IT (me) |
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rambutan |
@seen wizzyrea |
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huginn |
rambutan: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 15 hours and 36 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> I think I could happily argue about this with you all day |
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* oleonard |
doesn't like the job description in that case |
| 18:55 |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.8°C (8:55 PM CEST on September 26, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
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mtompset |
Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. |
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oleonard |
Sure, he says that. But then just 12 hours later he's back as if he didn't trust us to make it 24 hours. |
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cait |
heh |
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* cait |
is torturing druthb with her travel preparations |
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cait |
druthb++ |
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druthb |
:P |
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oleonard |
For Reno? |
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druthb |
yah. |
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oleonard |
Poor druthb (and jcamins!), getting there so late |
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druthb |
also, flying in the US is so unlike the rest of the known universe... |
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oleonard |
A whole day of kohacon without you |
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oleonard |
rangi paul_p and cait are going to be like Reno natives by the time the rest of us arrive |
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jcamins |
curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies? |
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wahanui |
curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies are at http://www.cookiemadness.net/2[…]ate-chip-cookies/ |
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oleonard |
@later tell wizzyrea Something is going wrong with the responsive demo |
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huginn |
oleonard: The operation succeeded. |
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oleonard |
druthb: You still planning to drive? |
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cait |
oleonard: i hope to get there without a day of delay this time |
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cait |
but at least i am prepared for that! |
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druthb |
oleonard: nope. flyin' in. |
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oleonard |
Can I use mysql to search for records with an invalid value in 942c? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: yeah, but not easily. |
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jcamins |
Actually, that's not true. It's easy. |
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jcamins |
What I meant was, do it when the library's not too busy. |
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* oleonard |
is all eyeballs |
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jcamins |
SELECT biblionumber FROM biblioitems WHERE ExtractValue(marcxml,'//datafield[@tag="942"]/subfield[@code="c"]') IN (SELECT itemtype FROM itemtypes); |
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oleonard |
Thanks jcamins |
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* wizzyrea |
made it in before oleonard left |
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wizzyrea |
this is amazing |
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ebegin |
Sorry for the spam on the bugs mailing list. We are experimenting the commit process for our development. |
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oleonard |
Hi wizzyrea |
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oleonard |
I've been slack this week, left early every day until today |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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* jcamins |
contemplates sweet potato pie. |
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wizzyrea |
mmm that would be yummy |
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wizzyrea |
oleonard: looking at it now |
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ebegin |
We are commiting the "I forget my password" features. I'm sure a lot of libraries are waiting for this ;) |
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wizzyrea |
yep definitely |
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cait |
ebegin: yep - that's nice! |
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rambutan |
@seen wizzyrea |
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huginn |
rambutan: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 21 minutes and 2 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> yep definitely |
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wizzyrea |
hi |
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wizzyrea |
sup |
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wizzyrea |
(yes, I know, I'm working on it |
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* gmcharlt |
wonders how many folks use the patches list nowadays |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: not so many. |
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cait |
oleonard mostly :) |
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jcamins |
tcohen also. |
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magnuse |
have fun, #koha! |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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mtompset |
Bye, magnuse? :) |
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magnuse |
see ya mtompset |
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mtompset |
gmcharlt: I have a question about the idea of using jquery to re-write text. |
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mtompset |
That doesn't translate, does it? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: not with a single line. |
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gmcharlt |
depends on one's jQuery |
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mtompset |
So it is possible to write the jquery to detect the language and generate output accordingly? |
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jcamins |
Yeah. |
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cait |
mtompset: what are yo utrying to do? |
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mtompset |
not trying to do anything. |
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mtompset |
I'm thinking about bug 10951 that the new guy posted about. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10951 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Needs Signoff , Make the NoLoginInstructions a customizable field through preferences |
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cait |
hm but that's not done using javascript |
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cait |
but i use javascript to have multiple languages now, would love for a better solution |
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cait |
system preferences are lmited, something like the news system would be better suited for our various customizable areas |
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mtompset |
I know. gmcharlt was suggesting jquery would be better for that scenario. |
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cait |
mtompset: i think i am confused. |
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gmcharlt |
better the jQuery than a new, limited-purpose syspref |
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jcamins |
The jQuery is more translatable, if that's your question. |
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mtompset |
true. sysprefs are dynamic like jquery. |
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cait |
gmcharlt: hm not sure here - i like the way that is done- they keep the old message in the templates and only overwrite it |
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mtompset |
aern't. |
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cait |
seems not fair to require them to write a new translatable system i guess |
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gmcharlt |
cait: and add yet another syspref when the existing ones can suffice |
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cait |
and javascript is still pretty limited and might cause problems |
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* gmcharlt |
is not a member of the syspref all the things club -- I really do think that we have a responsibility to not over-proliferate them |
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cait |
i think all the html prefs should go into a different tool ultimately |
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gmcharlt |
I agree with that |
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cait |
but in terms of accessibility and such i like not depending on jquery where i can avoid it |
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gmcharlt |
well, there is an alternative mechanism already in place for that |
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gmcharlt |
use the translation system + custom PO files to manage tweaks |
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cait |
gmcharlt: custom po files won#t work for english easily |
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cait |
and they are a PITA to maintain |
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cait |
well in my experience that is, there is a place for htem |
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cait |
but yo uwould have to do 2 |
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cait |
a special english one |
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cait |
and another for every language you want to have |
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cait |
having a differnet english one could make you run into some of the problems we have because you can't really define a standard language and browser detection and all that |
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cait |
not sure how doable that is |
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mtompset |
Sorry... didn't mean to bring up the whole translation mess. |
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cait |
for the login message you'd need one for each library |
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cait |
maybe i misunderstand tho. hm. |
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gmcharlt |
a new syspref by itself doesn't help any of that |
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* gmcharlt |
is not disputing that there are pleny of ways that the translation system could be improved and made more usable |
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cait |
it's actually not that bad :) |
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gmcharlt |
and, for the matter, easier to use as an alternative mechanism for customiizing strings |
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cait |
but i think it's not right to misuse it for customizing |
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cait |
translations are translations, but if you want it to say differently for every library i thik customizable areas that a library can edit easily are better |
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mtompset |
misuse jquery's for customizing? |
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cait |
misuse pos |
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* cait |
is not sure how she ended up argueing wth gmcharlt |
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gmcharlt |
cait: we *are* allowed to have differences of opinion :) |
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cait |
I am not sure i like it :) |
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gmcharlt |
from my POV, the translation system can be viewed as a general-purpose string repliacement tool |
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cait |
i think it's not well suited for that |
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mtompset |
YAY! Another person who understands differences of opinion does not preclude civility and friendship. :) |
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cait |
you have to run jobs on the server |
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cait |
and when you run and maintain lots of very different libraries... |
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gmcharlt |
hence the possiblity of it taking care of translations -- but I do recognize that there would be operational difficulties every time one upgraded |
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cait |
and there is lots of translation work to do, yes |
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cait |
i can only imagine it a nightmare |
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cait |
it already often is |
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cait |
fixing all the typos one missed |
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cait |
and doing that for every and each po file for every library you changed something like a login message... |
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cait |
especially the login message is a good example - because every library has different default passwords and instructions how to type in the numbers printed on the student id card or whatever |
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cait |
i actually wanted that to be customizable for a longer time now :) |
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cait |
i even pondered doing that syspref :) |
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mtompset |
Well, the bug still needs a couple tweaks (as I pointed out in my comment). |
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* gmcharlt |
has a customer who has but a single library, but 5-6 translation active |
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gmcharlt |
that's one thing informing my POV on this |
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mtompset |
True, a syspref would not solve that problem. |
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cait |
gmcharlt: we always offer english and gemran, but we have one with 4 languages active |
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mtompset |
But for libraries with a single language interface, a syspref works just fine. |
| 21:08 |
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cait |
and I maintain my own po files for the manuscript library we have |
| 21:09 |
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cait |
but i am not sure i get the point hm. |
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gmcharlt |
cait: point being that a syspref doesn't currently have any way to specify multiple translations of its value |
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gmcharlt |
though that would be an ability well worth teaching the syspref sytem |
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cait |
gmcharlt: either that or take it out into a tool |
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cait |
there are lots of things that don't translate into multiple languages sadly |
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cait |
itemtype descriptions, authorised value descriptions... |
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cait |
everything that is visible in the opac owuld be nice to have |
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gmcharlt |
yeah, one of the things marcelr has been poking at would help solve that problem |
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cait |
hm? |
| 21:14 |
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gmcharlt |
a mechanism for storing, in the database, translations for strings that are also stored in the database |
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gmcharlt |
so that you could say, here's my library name in en-NZ, and in de-DE, and in fr-FR, etc. |
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cait |
hm i haven't had time yet to take a look at his work for the sample installer files |
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cait |
which is a pity |
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cait |
but yes, something like that |
| 21:16 |
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cait |
a way to specify your standard language for fallbacks, and a way to store translations for strings noting which language they are |
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cait |
things like that |
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gmcharlt |
yeah |
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cait |
hope druthb_away listens in ... I think she gives a presentation about that at kohacon ;) |
| 21:17 |
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cait |
well about translation problems i think |
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cait |
hm it's late, i should finish this - brb |
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cait |
gmcharlt: another thought maybe why i am not so happy with jquery - many of my coworkers are using plugins turning off any javascript they don't explicitly allow on websites |
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cait |
the message would never be visible in that case - or very hard to spot |
| 21:22 |
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cait |
so with a pref i can at least show the german message always - and toggle the english one using jquery |
| 21:22 |
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cait |
not perfect... but a little better |
| 21:24 |
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gmcharlt |
yeah, I can see that -- but where would it end? that argument would justify making a syspref of just about every distinct bit of text that a library might wish to customize |
| 21:24 |
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gmcharlt |
not that anybody would seriously propose that of course |
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cait |
nope :) |
| 21:29 |
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cait |
just saying that bit proposed here is one we evenallowed to customize in our horizon opacs |
| 21:29 |
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cait |
i was all against changing the name of the cart by syspref some time ago |
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cait |
ok, now really gone for a bit - i haven't even had dinner tonight yet |
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gmcharlt |
yeah, it runs into the question of wishing that all of the effort on tackling individual aspects of the same problem were concentrated into a buidling a broader solution |
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wizzyrea |
broader_solutions++ |
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cait |
gmcharlt: hm I think we can agree on that :) |
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eythian |
hi |
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eythian |
wahanui: it works is <reply>But it also eats babies. |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
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cait |
lol |
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eythian |
wahanui: it works is also <reply>However, now everything else is broken. |
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wahanui |
okay, eythian. |
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eythian |
wahanui: it works is also <reply>For now... |
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wahanui |
okay, eythian. |
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eythian |
wahanui: it works is also <reply>You should blog about it. |
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wahanui |
okay, eythian. |
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eythian |
wahanui: literal it works |
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wahanui |
eythian: it works =is= <reply>But it also eats babies.|<reply>However, now everything else is broken.|<reply>For now...|<reply>You should blog about it. |
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gmcharlt |
wahanui: it works is also <reply>But now the Universe has disappeared |
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wahanui |
okay, gmcharlt. |
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rambutan |
it works? |
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wahanui |
But now the Universe has disappeared |
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rambutan |
it works? |
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wahanui |
You should blog about it. |
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wizzyrea |
rofl. |
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eythian |
In wizzyrea's case, it should be FOSBL (Falling Off Swiss Ball Laughing) |
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wizzyrea |
^^ this |
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wizzyrea |
well I suppose, technically when I'm at work, I am always rolling on the floor by way of a swiss ball. |
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jcamins |
I guess I should be using that too. |
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trea |
it works! |
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wahanui |
But now the Universe has disappeared |
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* trea |
claps excitedly for wahanui |
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wizzyrea |
! |
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cait |
it works! |
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wahanui |
But now the Universe has disappeared |
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