Time Nick Message 00:00 dcook ? 00:00 dcook http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets 00:00 jcamins Yeah. 00:01 jcamins Cool, eh? 00:01 jcamins You'll need to try it on recent master. 00:02 jcamins http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?q=http%3A%2F%2Fkohadev.cpbibliography.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fkoha%2Fopac-detail.pl%3Fbiblionumber%3D24433 00:03 dcook Courtesy of master XSLTs? 00:03 jcamins Yeah. 00:03 dcook Sweet 00:03 rangi dcook: courtesy of dan scott 00:03 dcook I would've killed for RDFa on some government sites a few months ago 00:03 dcook Well, maybe not killed... 00:03 dcook Good one, dan scott. Wherever you are! 00:04 jcamins dbs++ 00:04 rangi dcook: its dbs, in here :) 00:04 dcook dbs++ 00:05 dcook Progress is awesome 00:06 dcook Has that made it into a release or is just in master? 00:06 rangi it will be in 3.14 00:07 rangi im not sure if it got picked back 00:07 dcook bug 6594 00:07 rangi @query rdfa 00:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6594 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add schema.org microdata 00:07 huginn rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6594 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add schema.org microdata 00:07 rangi :) 00:07 dcook Doesn't look like it, but that's pretty cool 00:07 dcook Hmm, I like your way better ;) 00:44 jeff gmcharlt++ esi++ 00:54 jcamins jeff: what did they do this time? 00:56 jeff made a customer happy. :-) 00:59 wizzyrea i hope that means he's gotten out his weed wacker and fought his way out of the weeds. 00:59 wizzyrea whacker? 00:59 wizzyrea yes. that. 00:59 wahanui yes. that is probably what we are doing now. if we have more patrons then it becomes tough. 01:00 eythian Wacken is a place in Germany with a huge annual metal festival. 01:00 wizzyrea suppose that gives a different meaning to weed wacken 01:01 eythian Metal != Reggae 01:01 * wizzyrea tries to remember what the chemical alteration substance of choice is for metalheads. 01:01 wizzyrea beer? 01:01 wahanui i guess beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy. 01:02 wizzyrea that it is. 01:02 dcook Yeah, I think it's beer 01:03 wizzyrea beer wacken sounds less funny. 01:03 dcook wine wacken? 01:03 * dcook pictures metalheads in tuxes holding wine glasses 01:07 * dcook notes that the time is only 11am in Sydney.. 02:02 rangi @query overdrive 02:02 huginn rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10846 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Add preference for naming OverDrive collection 02:02 huginn rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10879 normal, P5 - low, ---, pianohacker, NEW , OverDrive should check for OverDriveLibraryID before performing search 02:02 huginn rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search 02:02 huginn rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9252 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add option to send patron's home branch in AF field 02:02 huginn rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9531 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Make SIP2 message terminator configurable via SIPconfig.xml 02:16 wizzyrea we are retiring ccsr in favor of bootstrap soon eh? 02:17 dcook Oh? That didn't seem very long lived 02:17 wizzyrea the bootstrap one looks pretty much just like it 02:17 wizzyrea and is responsive in the same way 02:17 wizzyrea just wondering if I should be fixing bugs 02:17 wizzyrea in ccsr 02:17 wizzyrea such as "opacnavright messes up login box in ccsr" 02:19 jcamins wizzyrea: if you're patching it for the customer's staging server yes, otherwise, meh. 02:20 wizzyrea meh it is. 02:20 jcamins Heh. 02:21 wizzyrea actually most of the new nav preferences are messed up in ccsr. 02:21 wizzyrea right nav and bottom nav 02:21 wizzyrea but I think ok in bootstrap 02:21 wizzyrea well I know ok in bootstrap 02:23 dbs dcook: glad that the RDFa makes you happy; also, the LoC mirrors at http://stuff.coffeecode.net/www.loc.gov/ happen to be mine too :) 02:29 dcook dbs: I put two and two together after a little bit of perusing ;) 02:29 dcook Good work with both :) 02:31 * jeff grins 02:31 jeff dbs++ 03:11 rambutan @seen jcamins 03:11 huginn rambutan: jcamins was last seen in #koha 50 minutes and 54 seconds ago: <jcamins> Heh. 03:11 jcamins rambutan: I'll be leaving in a few minutes, but what's up? 03:11 rambutan @later tell jcamins Somehow when I'm logged on at home it holds the nick even after it's been kicked. 03:11 huginn rambutan: The operation succeeded. 03:12 jcamins Ah. 03:12 rambutan that' 03:12 rambutan s all 04:00 wizzyrea hey um. for new theme development, if one were going to do that, what version of IE would we want to support (lowest) 04:02 * dcook would suggest 7 04:03 dcook I think some people still use 6 but they're quite rare 04:03 dcook I think 7 is becomingn rarer...so you might be able to get away with 8 04:03 dcook But I've had enough people complain about 7 to say 7 :p 04:08 mtompset I can't get my data reindexed. GRRRRRR. 04:18 * Oak waves 04:59 dcook mtompset: Still having issues? 04:59 * dcook waves to Oak and ebegin 04:59 mtompset dcook: Yes. 04:59 dcook What's up? 05:00 dcook I know you were mentioning it the other day, but does Zebra croak? 05:01 Oak Ahoy dcook 05:01 Oak hello mtompset 05:01 mtompset zebra isn't croaked. 05:02 dcook So at what stage isn't it reindexing? 05:04 mtompset okay... reboot server. 05:04 mtompset so everything is running properly. 05:04 mtompset ps aux | grep zebra 05:04 mtompset looks good. 05:04 mtompset try the full reindex. 05:04 mtompset it barfs. 05:04 mtompset so only partial reindex is done. 05:05 mtompset so then I use bug 6566 05:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6566 enhancement, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, CLOSED FIXED, Checking if DB records are properly indexed 05:05 mtompset to insert records into the zebra queue. 05:05 mtompset -- which worked in the past. 05:05 mtompset (on a smaller data set) 05:05 mtompset I had to do a few passes to complete, but it worked. 05:06 mtompset basically called the script -c -z, sleep 360, and then loop again. manually break when it doesn't add any more. 05:06 mtompset NOW... 05:06 mtompset larger data set. 05:07 mtompset 512MB of ram with no swap space. 05:07 mtompset I got the data in... painfully long to do. 05:07 mtompset via mysqldump. 05:07 mtompset Ran the full reindex properly. 05:07 mtompset koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f library 05:08 mtompset barfs (as expected) 05:08 mtompset turns out the system is killing the process. 05:08 mtompset can't remember what that is called, but linux has a way of detecting something that is going to result in massive deadlock and it auto kills it. 05:09 mtompset I suspect with a larger data set, even this script's zebra queue method is hitting that same problem. 05:10 mtompset because it adds about 13K more records, but then has been looping doing the same amount over and over. 05:10 mtompset So I have a partial reindex, but not full. 05:10 mtompset -- hello, Oak. :) 05:11 mtompset And I am hoping that my library colleagues will agree to moving the hosting from our painful 512MB VM to a much nicer 1GB VM elsewhere for less money. :) 05:11 mtompset Thankfully, this is the QA system. 05:20 mtompset The problem is... there is no log that clearly states consistently, "Processed killed" or anything like that. :( 05:22 mtompset Is there a way to dump the zebraqueue? 05:22 mtompset I mean empty? 05:41 * magnuse waves 05:43 magnuse DELETE FROM zebraqueue;? 05:49 * Oak waves back 05:49 * Oak hugs cait 05:49 Oak here, have some cookies. 05:49 cait oh hi Oak :) 05:49 Oak :) 05:49 cait thank you 05:49 Oak welcome 05:55 dcook @karma windows8 05:55 huginn dcook: Karma for "windows8" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. 05:56 dcook @karma windows8 05:56 huginn dcook: Karma for "windows8" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. 05:57 dcook ... 05:58 dcook @karma windows8 05:58 huginn dcook: Karma for "windows8" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. 06:03 dcook Windows 8 is horrible... 06:03 * dcook looks at the laptop 06:03 dcook Oh...has my user finally been created? 06:03 * dcook looks at his watch 06:03 dcook Wait, I don't wear a watch... 06:06 cait heh 06:06 cait i guess it's slow? 06:06 cait why would you do that to a laptop btw? 06:06 mtompset 8.1 is better. 06:06 mtompset still bad, but better. 06:13 mtompset okay... > 172K records in the zebraqueue. 06:13 mtompset cleared that up... let's see if I can get it to limp to completion now. 06:17 mtompset YAY! I think it is working. I think it may limp to completion! 06:17 mtompset Added about 400+ records in 5 minutes, and then suddenly only 20+ records not done. :) 06:20 rangi you people and your proprietary OSes 06:21 magnuse hehe 06:23 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "BAM! Zebra is working. :)" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/235 06:24 dcook Yeah, I'm not digging the proprietary OSes so much these days 06:24 dcook Work laptop though 06:24 magnuse run linux off a usb? 06:24 dcook Trying to figure out how I'm going to work at Kohacon.. 06:25 rangi dcook: opposite here, you have to get special permission (like you work on the QA or design team) to have a windows machine :) 06:25 dcook hehe 06:25 dcook rangi: That sounds nice :) 06:25 dcook magnuse: I suppose that's an option 06:26 magnuse catalyst++ 06:27 mtompset dcook: What do you mean "trying to figure out how..."? 06:28 mtompset Won't you have a laptop brought with you? 06:28 magnuse “From Librarian to Developer in 90 Minutes†- that sounds like fun! 06:28 dcook Yarp 06:28 dcook The remote connection is pretty slow though 06:29 mtompset Remote connection? Why do you need a remote connection? 06:29 mtompset If this is a windows box, why not VirtualBox and set up putty and a few other useful tools? 06:30 dcook I'm still going to want to have a hand in the kitchen back here :p 06:30 * magnuse would definitely go the virtualbox route if he was tied to a windows box during the hackfest 06:30 magnuse ah 06:30 dcook But that's not a bad idea... 06:31 dcook Although I'm not sure how much hard drive space I have 06:32 dcook And I don't think the memory is so hot on this laptop 06:32 dcook Even the VM I have on this desktop is pretty crap 06:32 mtompset dcook: Welcome to my 11 months in the Philippines in 2012. :P 06:33 cait dcook: make sure you turn the starting sound of windows off somehow... 06:33 mtompset 2GB netbook running 32-bit Ubuntu. 06:33 cait you might get glares bringing a windows machine to kohacon... ;) 06:33 dcook lol 06:33 mtompset Seriously?! Such a judgmental crowd? :P 06:34 dcook Good to know 06:34 cait hehe not so bad 06:35 rangi i totally judge people 06:35 reiveune hello 06:36 dcook rangi is like a cat. It might hiss and scratch at you, but you can't help but them :p 06:37 mtompset ^help but^help but love^? 06:38 dcook Indeed 06:38 * dcook stares at the Windows 8 start menu and tries to remember what he was trying to do 06:39 magnuse install ubuntu? 06:40 dcook Hard drive size 06:40 dcook Thanks for the reminder ;) 06:40 dcook Good lord...what's running on this beast.. 06:40 dcook 83 gb used 06:41 dcook Windows is 20gb alone 06:43 cait @seen khall_away 06:43 huginn cait: khall_away was last seen in #koha 19 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 40 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <khall_away> happy bday rangi! 06:43 cait @seen khall 06:43 huginn cait: khall was last seen in #koha 3 days, 13 hours, 13 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <khall> Ah, I see. Thanks! 06:46 magnuse khall had a moment of enlightenment and bolted from #koha? ;-) 06:49 Oak mtompset, I have little knowledge of what you were doing earlier... but just thought it may help you or improve your understanding by reading this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Btrfs#Copy-On-Write_.28CoW.29 06:49 Oak whole page preferably 06:50 * magnuse renews the koha.no domain 06:51 samueld hi everybody 06:53 kivilahtio__ see bug 9921 06:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nunyo, Patch doesn't apply , Make it possible to force 001 = biblionumber 06:53 kivilahtio__ so someone is currently working on that bug? 06:53 kivilahtio__ then I can just make a dirty hack to get our biblinumber preserved 06:53 dcook magnuse++ 06:54 mtompset Oak: Our VM environment doesn't let me touch /dev, even if I am root. I hate vserver! 06:54 mtompset vserver-- 06:54 dcook magnuse: Looks like someone already has koha.ca 06:54 dcook Naturally, it's about hockey :p 06:55 magnuse kivilahtio__: bug 9921 is about forcing the biblionumber into 001, not making what is in 001 be the biblionumber 06:55 mtompset Some place just outside of Ottawa with a bunch of old guys who like playing hockey. 06:56 Oak magnuse++ 06:56 Oak okay mtompset :) 06:56 mtompset I think I'm going to get more than 2 hours sleep. :) 06:56 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 06:57 Oak @later tell mtompset http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24292-first-physical-evidence-of-why-youre-an-owl-or-a-lark.html 06:57 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded. 06:58 kivilahtio__ magnuse: good point 06:59 magnuse and let me just say that preserving biblionumbers from an old system sounds like a bad idea 07:01 dcook Maybe preserve biblionumbers from an old system in a local field 07:01 dcook But I wouldn't use them 07:08 dcook All right. Gym time! 07:08 * dcook is starting to get addicted enough to these endorphins that he might actually use the gym facilities at the Atlantis 07:08 dcook Maybe... 07:08 wahanui maybe is a momentaneous error 07:17 paxed *grmbl* translatable strings "There are ", "no libraries defined", "no patron categories defined" that's just lovely. 07:23 kf if you don't like it improve it ;) 07:23 kf good morning #koha 07:24 magnuse kia ora kf 07:24 paxed kf: i'm just trying to translate this thing, no idea if we're going to use it. 07:25 kivilahtio__ good morning kf 07:26 kivilahtio__ paxed: we will :) 07:26 kf maybe stop calling it 'this thing' in that case ;) 07:26 paxed also, a missing %s in a translation string breaking a page completely, and not even giving any hint which translation string it is .... a big no-no in my book. 07:27 kf hm that's not true 07:27 rangi be rangi 07:27 wahanui Send a patch! 07:27 kf if you use poedit it will give you ar warn on saving 07:27 kf if you run thte translation scripts, it will also give you a warning 07:27 kf and output the string 07:28 paxed the translation script doesn't tell which file it's doing. 07:28 kf it will give you the string 07:28 kf and you can search easily with that 07:28 magnuse paxed: which version and how are you running the translate script 07:28 magnuse ? 07:28 paxed yes, i know. it could still say which file. 07:28 kf what would the file help you? 07:28 paxed magnuse: git, manually. 07:29 kf and most of the time it's multiple files 07:30 magnuse paxed: tried running with -v too? 07:31 paxed magnuse: ah, that helps. thanks. 07:33 paxed kf: what about those who use pootle, does that complain about missing %s too? 07:34 kf i think i tmight be one of the filters 07:34 kf i normally trnaslate with pootle and then use poedit to double check the files for errors 07:42 paxed the translation files are hostile. i can't imagine trying to translate those without any coding experience. 07:43 magnuse um, you should not have to look inside the files unless you make some mistake in matching up the %s's 07:45 rangi you mean the .po files? 07:45 paxed i have no problem with the po-file format. 07:45 rangi you just like complaining? 07:46 paxed msgid "%s %s (%s) %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s [" <-- this is the reason i'm cranky. 07:46 paxed as an example. 07:46 kf just copy it 07:47 magnuse yeah, those are the easy ones 07:47 kf we can try to help you, but if you are negative about it it won't get easier 07:48 paxed oh, i'm hoping to get underflow soon, i'm 8bit. 07:48 kivilahtio__ lol 07:48 kf ok, i didn't get that one :) 07:48 * magnuse neither 07:48 kf just saying, translating is boring 07:49 kivilahtio__ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEOLPDOKdtY 07:49 kf i am not going to deny that :) 07:49 paxed 8 bits can only store values in the range of 0-255, or if you use signed bit, -128 - 127 ... 07:50 kivilahtio__ ok how do I change the documentation in Koha? Mainly interested in where the man files for bulkmarcimport.pl are? 07:50 kf they are in the file I think 07:50 kf so you would send a patch 07:51 kf or do you mean something that was noted in the manual? 07:51 kf manual? 07:51 wahanui i guess manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 07:51 kivilahtio__ kf: Ah here in the end 07:51 kivilahtio__ kf: my mistake 07:52 magnuse .pl scripts have embedded POD, only the commands provided by the packages have separate man pages (maintained in docbook) 07:52 magnuse ...as far as i know 07:53 magnuse well, .pl and .pm have POD 07:53 kivilahtio__ magnuse: got that 09:10 kivilahtio__ do you have any validator utility classes? 09:10 kivilahtio__ or libraries? 09:10 wahanui libraries are the kings of overcomplication 09:10 kivilahtio__ agreed :D 09:11 kf whta are you trying to do? 09:11 kivilahtio__ validate the biblioitemnumber and biblionumber in the C4-modules 09:11 kivilahtio__ kf: well i can get my patch ready today 09:11 kivilahtio__ kf: you can check it out later if you want 09:12 kf I won't have any time I am afraid 09:12 kf I am covered with QA currently... and my nrmal work 09:12 kivilahtio__ kf: dont sweat it, no rpoblem, you have been very kind as it is 09:21 paxed hm. preferences.pl?tab=circulation apparently can't do utf8 09:36 kf paxed: hm it works fine for me 09:36 kf where do you see a problem? 09:37 kivilahtio__ hmm, I cannot clear my zebra database 09:38 kivilahtio__ ./rebuild_zebra.pl -r -b -a -v 09:39 kivilahtio__ maybe removing /var/lib/zebradb/biblios will do the trick ;) 09:43 kf hm i would not recomment removing files 09:43 kf recommend even 09:43 kf is there any error? when you run with -r? 09:43 kf there is also search faq? 09:43 kf search faq? 09:43 wahanui search faq is http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 09:51 paxed kf: http://bilious.alt.org/~paxed/kohautf8.png 09:51 paxed kf: all the other prefs "panes" show the utf8 chars correctly 09:57 kf hm that's strange 09:58 kf German umlauts display correctly on the cir ctab 09:58 kf I just checked 10:01 paxed i wonder if pootle makes it hard for translators to see if there's a space at the end of the string or not? i need to fix dozens and dozens or translated strings that do not have space at the end when the msgid has space. 10:05 kf it shows it with a red underline 10:06 kf i think many people ignore it or forget it 10:06 paxed lovely. 10:08 kf translation is an iterative process I think 10:08 kf you learn and improve all the time 10:09 paxed it was a comment on the tool, not the process. 10:33 paxed ehheh. msgid "[% description |html %]" 10:39 magnuse just copy it 10:48 mtompset Woo hoo! It continues to reindex properly as far as I can tell. YAY! In a few hours, my indexing nightmare will be gone. 10:59 kivilahtio__ hmm, removing all the directories under var/lib/zebradb/authorities && biblios seems to have fixed my zebra issues regarding biblios not getting removed from zebra... 11:00 kivilahtio__ rebuild_zebra.pl hen rebuilds then broken directory structure 11:03 paxed magnuse: i know, but i find it funny the translation contains Template Toolkit code. 11:08 mtompset I didn't have a permissions problem or a directory problem. My problem is we are running in VERY LOW MEMORY situation. 11:09 mtompset By deleting everything from the zebraqueue table, and restarting the script in bug 6566, our indexing is slowly rebuilding. 11:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6566 enhancement, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, CLOSED FIXED, Checking if DB records are properly indexed 11:10 mtompset If there are too many records in the table, I suspect that the 5 minute interval for reindexing ends up clobbering the former instance attempting to reindex. 11:13 sophie_m mtompset : we've got a script to avoid multiple rebuild_zebra running in the case you describe 11:14 mtompset sophie_m: Actually, I was thinking that perhaps I should look into the reindexing method that tcohen has been pushing. 11:22 Barrc1 Would anyone have any idea why a Koha instance would spawn multiple opac-user.pl sessions, enough to crash a server!? 11:22 Barrc1 opac-search.pl too..........outside of an attack! 11:23 kivilahtio__ Barrc1: wow that is a big guestion. Maybe you should ask the mailing list? 11:24 kf Barrc1: could it be users? double clicking trying again and again? 11:25 Barrc1 kivilahtio_: Yep, I will do. Just thought some might have an quick idea! 11:25 Barrc1 After the crash the kern log shows 1000s of connection being initiated at the same time then, theny Mysql splats! 11:25 jcamins Barrc1: impatient users. 11:25 Barrc1 well, maybe multiple hundreds, rather than 1000's! 11:26 Barrc1 jcamins: The strange thing is the timestamp is exactly the same for all connections 11:27 jcamins Firewall? 11:27 Barrc1 Is there a firewall on the box? 11:27 Barrc1 is that what you mean? 11:29 jcamins Barrc1: I was thinking of a firewall in front of the server. 11:31 Barrc1 Yeah, looks like it might be something to try! 11:32 jcamins I'm not suggesting you add one. I'm suggesting that the one you have is screwed up. 11:34 vfernandes hi :) 11:34 Barrc1 Its a small enough setup. Virtual box with iptables running on it......nothing if front - unless the datacenter are doing something 11:34 vfernandes i'm having a problem with koha 3.12 renewals 11:35 kf vfernandes: what's the problem? 11:35 wahanui the problem is probably it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. 11:35 jcamins I guess you have access logs, so the first question is whether the incoming IP is exactly the same. 11:35 vfernandes the checkout calculates the due date correctly, but when I renew the due_date is the same as the renew date (today) 11:36 Barrc1 yeah, all the same, all with the exact same timestamp, down to ms - so strange 11:37 jcamins Exact same URL? 11:37 Barrc1 I was thinking if there was something in Koha spawning these but it is starting to look like a remote issue - caused by users or user requests 11:37 vfernandes kf any idea why this is happening? 11:37 kf yes 11:38 kf your systempreferences 11:38 Barrc1 yes, all the requests originate from the same source IP 11:38 Barrc1 The IP of the end users 11:38 kf or the circulation conditions 11:38 kf check usedaysmode or similar for how the renewal date is calculated 11:38 Barrc1 apache requests, as opposed to other types! 11:38 kf and check there is a correct renewal period set in your circulation matrix 11:40 vfernandes omg! 11:40 vfernandes renewal period is empty :D 11:40 jcamins Barrc1: yeah, I had a feeling. 11:41 vfernandes thanks kf 12:00 magnuse Barrc1: is it similar to the issue eythian brought up on the mailing list? 12:02 magnuse Barrc1: http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2013-September/039810.html 12:15 Oak later guys 12:18 oleonard Hi #koha 12:45 tcohen morning #koha 12:48 mtompset tcohen! Good morning. :) 12:48 mtompset Greetings, oleonard. :) 12:54 kivilahtio__ I am writing test cases for my patch 12:54 kivilahtio__ any idea how I can get the MARCXML back from zebra which I added using C4::Biblio::AddBiblio? 12:55 kivilahtio__ would like to compare those results. Are they comparable? Any ideas how to compare the sameness of bibliographic records? 12:55 jcamins kivilahtio__: take a look at t/db_dependent/Search.t. 12:55 kivilahtio__ jcamins: figures :D 12:55 kivilahtio__ thanks 12:55 jcamins But be aware that testing Zebra is kinda unpleasant. 12:55 jcamins If you can avoid any tests requiring Zebra, I recommend that route. 12:56 kivilahtio__ jcamins: well I feel the tests wouldnt be so accurate. No better way to make sure marc records match than compare them character to character? 12:56 jcamins You can use Test::Deep. 12:57 jcamins I believe that works, though I'm not sure I have tried. 12:59 kf Joubu: around? :) 13:02 kivilahtio__ jcamins: ok this zebra thing is a pain 13:02 kivilahtio__ jcamins: So there is no way to fetch the exact record if i know the biblionumber? 13:02 kivilahtio__ jcamins: from Zebra? 13:03 Joubu kf: Hi! 13:04 kivilahtio__ jcamins: I give up! :) 13:07 mtompset Greetings again, #koha. 13:08 mtompset Silly Firefox update. 13:10 oleonard Hopefully an improvement mtompset: http://blog.mozilla.org/nnethercote/2013/10/01/memshrink-progress-week-117-120/ 13:10 oleonard mtompset: Also: Try running chatzilla standalone with xulrunner 13:18 oleonard kf++ 13:18 oleonard Joubu++ 13:18 oleonard QA++ 13:18 magnuse qa++ always! 13:20 oleonard @karma qa 13:20 huginn oleonard: Karma for "qa" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. 13:33 mtompset qa++ 13:35 kivilahtio__ so who do I send mail to to be able to push to master? 13:36 kivilahtio__ And how do I define tests in bugzilla? 13:36 kivilahtio__ Any guidelines for that? 13:36 kf kivilahtio__: noone can push to master apart from the RM 13:37 kf you create your patches and put them on a bug, then switch the status to "needs signoff" and a tester will take a look 13:37 kf then if the tester says it's ok, qa does tet, and then the RM might push it ;) 13:37 kf a step by step test plan is what is expected, best in the commit message 13:37 kivilahtio__ kf: yeah I got the workflow but where do I push for QA? 13:38 kf you don't push 13:38 kf it's all done via bugzilla 13:38 kf take a look at git bz? 13:38 kf git bz? 13:38 wahanui git bz is, like, git.koha-community.org/git-bz.git 13:38 kf arg wahanui. 13:38 kf patch workflow? 13:38 wahanui patch workflow is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow 13:38 samueld Qa6DrtPH 13:38 magnuse oops 13:39 kivilahtio__ interesting. I forget what I read. 13:39 kf I or someone else from the QA team will get your patches from there after they are signed off :) 13:40 kf for really big developments there have been branches on mostly personal or company repos in the past - but normally it works with patches on the bug 13:42 oleonard *cough* Bug 10309 *cough* 13:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap 13:42 kivilahtio__ kf: ok, so I have a branch named Bug_6113, which has several commits, each commit start with the bugzilla header. 13:43 kivilahtio__ kf: now I need to understand this git bz. 13:43 kivilahtio__ kf: I'll let you know what happens :) 13:44 kivilahtio__ hmm, I didn't "git checkout -b bug_xxxx origin/master" instead i did "git checkout -b Bug_6113" and hacked away 13:44 kf ok :) 13:45 kf there is a test bug somewhere if you want to test 13:45 kf that shoudl also have worked 13:45 kivilahtio__ kf: Ok, thanks. I try to gz this branch to bugzilla then 14:01 oleonard anyone know off the top of their heads what happens to holds on items which are batch-deleted? 14:04 oleonard In 3.10.x anyway it doesn't look like they're moved to oldreserves 14:07 oleonard Not in master either. 14:17 kf oleonard: ew. 14:17 kf sounds like a bug 14:17 oleonard Looks like the script checks for allocated holds but nothing else if I understand it correctly 14:18 kf [off] http://loc.gov 14:18 kf oleonard: is that item batch delete? 14:18 oleonard Yes 14:18 kf oleonard: maybe we need to make sure it uses the right sub to cancel the reserve instead of just deleting it 14:26 oleonard Oh nice, it deletes the item and biblio record even if the hold is marked waiting 14:27 tcohen [off] wtf 14:28 tcohen [off] will the US get bankrupt? 14:29 oleonard tcohen: No, the conservative party will just make everyone suffer for a while 14:29 oleonard Hopefully the "liberal" 14:29 oleonard ..party won't blink 14:30 oleonard The last time this happened (almost 20 years ago) it didn't end well for the conservatives. I hope history repeats itself. 14:31 tcohen i hope the same 14:32 oleonard In the US the Google Doodle is celebrating the anniversary of Yosemite National Park, which will be closed because of the shutdown. 14:35 kivilahtio__ OK I got the git bz working, but how do I send my 5 commits inside branch bug_6113 to bugzilla. Using git bz 6113 <Commit_hash> just overwrites my attachements in bugzilla as their commit description header is the same 14:36 kivilahtio__ do I need to merge my commits into one big commit? or can I somehow attach the whole branch? 14:36 oleonard Do your 5 commits need to be separate? Can you squash them into one? 14:36 kivilahtio__ oleonard: they don't need to, but I separated the test cases to a separate commit, but I can merge the other 4 14:37 oleonard kivilahtio__: You can use an interactive rebase to squash them together 14:37 oleonard git rebase -i [origin/master] 14:37 kivilahtio__ oleonard: I am VERY new to git 14:37 kivilahtio__ oleonard: OK, I'l look into that 14:43 vfernandes hi again... 14:43 vfernandes how to define stopwords in 3.10? 14:54 oleonard vfernandes: You don't define stopwords in Koha if you're using Zebra. 14:54 oleonard vfernandes: I don' t know much more than that. Are you asking because Zebra is not ignoring something it should? 15:15 kivilahtio__ git is hard :( 15:16 kivilahtio__ do you use hard-core terminal for your git needs? or are the graphical git tools suitable for our use? 15:17 kivilahtio__ I guess nothing works with git-bz 15:17 kivilahtio__ I mean the GUI tools 15:20 oleonard I don't find I have a need for GUI tools 15:20 oleonard I'm not a hardcore Linux geek, but with some experience I'm a happy command-line git user 15:24 * kf too 15:24 kf it gets to be your second nature 15:24 kf after a while 15:24 kf hm maybe wrong phrase... but it gets really easy 15:26 jcamins git? 15:26 wahanui i think git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 15:26 jcamins kivilahtio__: ^^ 15:26 jcamins git-bz 15:26 jcamins git-bz? 15:26 wahanui git-bz is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration 15:26 jcamins kivilahtio__: ^^ 15:27 kf bye all 15:29 masoud Hi 15:29 wahanui que tal, masoud 15:29 masoud I just finished installing Koha on Ubuntu 15:30 masoud I am trying to setup my library 15:30 masoud But I get the following error on http://localhost 15:30 masoud "System maintenance The Koha online catalog is offline for system maintenance." 15:31 masoud Tried googling but it didn't help 15:31 masoud any pointers would be great 15:31 masoud am running a virtualbox Xubuntu 12.04 LTS 15:31 masoud with 1 GB RAM 15:33 oleonard masoud: What method did you use to install Koha? 15:33 oleonard You're arriving at the public interface rather than the staff interface 15:34 masoud not sure if I am naive.... 15:34 oleonard You have to access the staff interface to complete installation 15:34 masoud went about the instructions in http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 15:34 masoud did sudo apt-get install 15:34 kivilahtio__ luckily I made backups of the changes I did today, otherwise... The whole git repo got blasted under my rebases and undos and whatnot 15:35 kivilahtio__ anyway now got the one-commit-patch to bugzilla 15:35 oleonard masoud: Did you define a domain name in koha-sites.conf? 15:36 kivilahtio__ so is there any standard for the "create test case" in bugzilla? Or is it enough testing if I have a test script attached in the patch? 15:36 masoud don't have a domain name 15:36 kivilahtio__ like this link 15:36 kivilahtio__ http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/tr_new_case.cgi?product=Koha&bug=6113 15:36 masoud i am currently testin it out 15:36 masoud on a standalone one 15:36 oleonard masoud: Did you edit koha-sites.conf as described in those instructions? 15:36 masoud before I install for my friends library 15:36 masoud yes i did... 15:37 masoud left the domain as "" 15:38 oleonard masoud: You can put a made-up domain in koha-sites.conf if you're doing a local test installation 15:38 masoud tried that as well as .myDNSname.org 15:39 masoud lemme try once more 15:40 masoud but when I do a dnsdomainname in the Ubuntu terminal, I get nothing 15:41 jcamins kivilahtio__: we don't really use BZ test cases at present. 15:42 oleonard masoud: I don't know what to suggest. All I know is that I have followed those instructions and installed successfully. I would think about what steps you might have done differently from the instructions. 15:43 masoud thanks, @oleonard.... is there a direct way of accessing the staff site.... say by way of a specific url? 15:44 masoud or is it always http://localhost? 15:44 oleonard A specific URL is exactly what you should have defined in koha-sites.conf 15:45 masoud for which parameter in the koha-sites.conf? 15:46 rambutan masoud: what happens when you do: http://127.0.0.1:8080 15:47 masoud i get a 404 15:47 oleonard rambutan: This is a package install, so unless masoud defined a different intranet port by hand I don't think that will work. 15:47 oleonard masoud: What is your instance name? 15:47 rambutan really, didn't know that 15:47 masoud library 15:48 oleonard What about going to http://library-intra ? 15:49 masoud chromium throws an error "This webpage is not available" 15:50 oleonard masoud: How far into the instructions did you get? 15:51 masoud till the instruction on lynx 15:51 masoud installed lynx .... 15:51 masoud but then i figured that i could run on the chromium browser as well 15:51 oleonard Yes, that's right. 15:51 wahanui no it's not. 15:52 oleonard Shut up wahanui 15:52 wahanui oleonard is making me cry! 15:54 kivilahtio__ I like wahanui 15:56 oleonard masoud: Maybe you could try pasting the contents of /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf 15:56 oleonard paste? 15:56 wahanui i heard paste was found at http://paste.koha-community.org 15:59 masoud DOMAIN="" INTRAPORT="80" INTRAPREFIX="" INTRASUFFIX="-intra" DEFAULTSQL="" OPACPORT="80" OPACPREFIX="" OPACSUFFIX="" ZEBRA_MARC_FORMAT="marc21" ZEBRA_LANGUAGE="en" 16:05 oleonard Sorry masoud, I don't know what to suggest next. Maybe someone else has an idea. 16:06 masoud no probs, @oleonard.... thanks a lot... 16:10 jcamins masoud: does `ping library-intra` work? 16:11 masoud says unknown host 16:12 jcamins masoud: okay, there's your problem. 16:12 masoud this is a standalone install... 16:13 jcamins You'll have to configure library-intra to point to the correct place. 16:13 masoud ok ... 16:13 masoud let me play around with /etc/hosts 16:16 masoud thanks @jcamins.... 16:17 masoud worked after modifying my /etc/hosts 16:17 masoud i get the staff login.... 16:17 masoud pheww..... thanks a lot guys... 16:21 masoud got onto the web installer... 16:24 jcamins Curse you government shutdown, you get in the way of my work! 16:24 * jcamins routes around the damage. 16:25 cait can you? 16:25 oleonard You're not allowed to route around the damage until you have been ideologically transformed by it. 16:25 jcamins cait: yeah, somehow... 16:34 cait Joubu: still around? 16:36 mtompset Why does the government shutdown affect you, jcamins? 16:37 mtompset How? 16:37 tcohen eythian: did u see the fixed patch for bug 10624? 16:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-common.init should implement the 'status' option switch 16:38 tcohen mtompset: maybe some gov's offices are closed? 16:46 mtompset I should get around to signing off those things I'd say I'd try signing off on. :) 16:47 mtompset what table shows checkouts. 16:47 cait hm i am going to do a git bisect... wish me luck 16:48 chris_n stupid administration 16:50 oleonard mtompset: issues 16:52 cait iiinteresting 16:52 cait bug 9130 16:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9130 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, CLOSED FIXED, Remove old javascript from Parcel 16:52 cait that broke it 16:54 mtompset uh oh... poor dcook, breaking things. 16:55 cait yay :) 16:56 cait i cleaned my cookies - now i can see pending orders again :D 17:19 mtompset cookies++ 17:19 mtompset @karma cookies 17:19 huginn mtompset: Karma for "cookies" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. 17:59 reiveune bye 18:34 tcohen bug 10905 and bug 10957 18:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10905 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Author tracings incorrect when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is turned on 18:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , 710$a with 710$b (subordinate unit) present shows wrong (XSLT) 18:37 rangi bug 7791 18:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7791 critical, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Needs Signoff , Deleting basket should not delete all existing orders without warning 18:38 cait1 morning rangi 18:38 rangi morning 18:38 cait1 @wunder wellington 18:38 huginn cait1: Error: No such location could be found. 18:38 cait1 oh 18:38 rangi @wunder nzwn 18:39 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on October 02, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 18:39 cait1 @wunder Konstanz 18:39 huginn cait1: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.3°C (8:35 PM CEST on October 01, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 18:39 cait1 looks like you win 18:39 cait1 brr 18:43 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 18:43 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 22.0°C (3:00 PM ART on October 01, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 17%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1015 hPa (Falling). 18:44 rangi @wunder reno,nv 18:44 huginn rangi: The current temperature in MidTown, Reno, Nevada is 17.3°C (11:15 AM PDT on October 01, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 18:45 cait1 hmm 18:45 rangi everything in the signoff queue applies 18:45 tcohen its in a desert, right? wide temprerature amplitude 18:45 rangi yep 18:45 rangi bbiab 18:46 * tcohen goes find a bigger luggage 18:53 tcohen bbl, bye #koha 18:56 rangi what does the fox say? 18:56 wahanui https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE 19:05 cait1 heh 19:08 wizzyrea hehe 19:08 wizzyrea the fox? 19:08 wahanui http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE 20:00 * cait goes to test bug 9044 next 20:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Allow to select items on catalogue/detail.pl and trigger actions 20:02 cait wizzyrea: US making all the news here tody 20:02 wizzyrea ugh I know. 20:02 * wizzyrea finds her "go maple leafs" shirt 20:02 rambutan for our governmental issues? 20:03 cait yes 20:03 cait i guess people find it hard to imagine that here 20:03 wizzyrea maybe australia? if this happens there it triggers immediate dissolution of the government and full re-elections 20:03 wizzyrea this seems sensible to me 20:04 rangi same here 20:04 cait not sure here 20:04 oleonard Hard to imagine our politicians enacting a rule which could end up getting themselves fired. 20:04 rambutan gee, talk about a tsunami approach! 20:04 wizzyrea BURN IT ALL 20:04 rangi well if they cant do their jobs, then gtfo and let someone who can in 20:04 wizzyrea ^^^^^ 20:05 rambutan what I think should happen in cases like this is that political parties are immendiately dissolved until a totally clean budget is passed 20:05 rangi confidence and supply agreements 20:05 wizzyrea speaking of... need to test LoC ztarget now. 20:06 rambutan sorry wizzyrea, LoC is closed 20:06 rangi was working for me 20:06 wizzyrea the z target? 20:06 * wizzyrea tests it 20:06 cait ah different here 20:06 rangi all last night 20:06 cait but i have no idea how to explain it in english 20:06 wizzyrea yea it's up 20:06 rangi yep 20:07 wizzyrea they missed that cable in the switch room. 20:07 rangi no one is being paid to turn it off 20:07 wizzyrea kek 20:07 wizzyrea the idea that they actually turned off the web sites 20:07 cait ah different system here 20:07 wizzyrea or put on a placeholder 20:07 cait interesting 20:07 wahanui i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 20:08 wizzyrea seeing what happens when the staff isn't there to keep it running would be a better indicator of the necessity of money to run the service than shutting it down. 20:08 rangi totally 20:08 jcamins wizzyrea: I don't think you understand this. 20:08 rangi i hope they didnt actually turn it off 20:08 jcamins We're SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT. 20:08 wizzyrea uhhuh 20:08 jcamins No matter how much more expensive that is than any alternative. 20:08 wizzyrea no I get it. 20:09 rangi cos anytime you do that, theres a decent chance that server aint coming back 20:09 jcamins Because WE ARE SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT. 20:09 * jcamins begins chanting "SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT" in time with the [expletive deleted]s in DC. 20:10 oleonard rangi: http://i.imgur.com/UZCzSH4.jpg 20:10 wizzyrea lol 20:11 wizzyrea did you just make that 20:11 oleonard Yes 20:11 jcamins lol 20:11 rangi heh 20:12 jcamins [off] I know a librarian from LC who was required to catch a flight at 12:02 from New York to DC because they thought that the government was going to be shut down. He was partly on vacation, but they still had to pay god-knows-how-much extra to bring him back to DC. 20:12 rangi yeah 20:13 tweetbot_ [off] @wizzyrea: "lol I <3 my #KohaILS friends - re: govt shutdown: http://t.co/IwwS6lHwRA @oleonard" 20:14 rangi this was interesting to me 20:14 rangi https://twitter.com/DylanReeve/status/384900013282705408 20:14 oleonard Gotta run guys. Try not to make the government any shutty-downier while I'm gone. 20:14 rangi im not sure it would be possible 20:14 rangi cya oleonard :) 20:15 jcamins rangi: yeah, I'm hoping our insurance might go down, but honestly I'd be shocked. 20:15 jcamins Apparently we already have extraordinarly cheap insurance here. 20:15 wizzyrea getting it on your own, outside a group, is still going to be stupid expensive. 20:15 jcamins Yeah. 20:16 gmcharlt don't get me started on the plan that could have been 20:16 * gmcharlt is starting to emerge from the weeds 20:16 * cait waves 20:16 * wizzyrea imagines gmcharlt grass stained, dirty, wild eyed 20:19 wizzyrea http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/10/veterans-occupy-world-war-ii-memorial-closed-because-shutdown/70068/ 20:20 rangi yeah that was cool 20:21 ibeardslee http://blog.scribd.com/2013/10/01/the-new-scribd/ 20:21 rangi interesting 20:21 wahanui somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad 20:28 ibeardslee rangi: what gets me in that photo .. WTFH would you be sitting down with a pack on your back reading when you have all that scenery to be looking at 20:29 wizzyrea on your iPad 20:29 wizzyrea which you can't see in that light anyway 20:29 wizzyrea at least not that generation of iPad. 20:50 tcohen hi wizzyrea 20:50 wizzyrea whaddup :) 20:55 ltreat Hello, everyone. Anyone available to answer a fairly technical question re: database migration? 20:55 tcohen cait? 20:55 wahanui cait: go to bed 20:56 cait heh 20:56 cait not that late yet :) 20:56 cait but soonish 20:57 rangi ltreat: we wont know until you ask it 20:57 tcohen cait: bug 10691 20:57 ltreat Very true. I'd heard of this project because we run evergreen at my work, but my church library needs an opensource (read, free) program but it currently uses Concourse 20:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10691 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , 5xx not properly linked by authid in authority search result list 20:57 ltreat Don't want to re-enter all the books 20:59 tcohen any thoughts? 20:59 rangi it might be massive overkill for your library ltreat 21:00 ltreat It might, and we're definitely not tech-gurus and setting it up will be probably a pain, but we need a free alternative without a book number limit 21:01 rangi if you already know evergreen, why not that? 21:01 rangi its only the same level of overkill ;) 21:01 ltreat According to the IT guy, it's much more complicated to set up and requires a server. He thought that Koha was on a slightly smaller scale 21:01 ltreat He could have been wrong lol 21:01 rangi they can both run big, and both run small 21:01 rangi libraries 21:01 wahanui libraries are the kings of overcomplication 21:02 ltreat ikr? you think you have everything set up and then squirrely business happens 21:02 rangi koha requires a server too 21:02 ltreat agh. Don't suppose anyone knows of any other free services for a small library without a book limit? 21:02 rangi it is easier to install, because it is packaged, so if you use ubuntu or debian easier 21:03 tcohen i'd stick with the one that requires less maintenance 21:03 rangi but you either host it yourself, or pay someone to host it for you 21:03 rangi just like you would for evergreen 21:03 ltreat Which one is less maintenance? but yes, actually there are hosting services for libraries like mine where we can get it on the cheap 21:04 rangi cheap is not my forte im afraid, im into free as in freedom, someone else might know though 21:06 ltreat There are specific non-profit hosting companies, according to the IT guy. I would have to track them down. But if both require a server, which would be easier all in all maintenance-wise? I don't have a very tech-happy staff 21:08 rangi hard to know, ive never maintained an evergreen server 21:09 ltreat hm. all right then. thanks for the help! 21:16 tcohen cait: do u have a minute to talk about that bug? 21:16 cait oh sorry 21:16 cait bit tired already, i missed your comment earlier 21:16 cait what's the problem? 21:16 wahanui the problem is probably it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. 21:16 tcohen 10691 21:17 tcohen would u agree to test for RLIN, and fallback to search instead of authid? 21:19 eythian hi 21:19 wahanui bidet, eythian 21:19 tcohen hi eythian 21:20 eythian hi there 21:20 eythian I have your bug open, I'll hopefully get a look at it today. 21:22 tcohen =) 21:24 cait tcohen: I think the way we do it most places is - use the number if there is one 21:25 cait else do a text search 21:25 cait i think that jared does it that way on the detail page, but not sure 21:25 cait results seem different 21:25 tcohen ok, some refactoring is needed then, but it wouldnt be so problematic 21:25 tcohen what i noticed is that this actually doesnt work at all for unimarc... 21:33 tcohen http://rt.com/usa/us-government-shutdown-memes-570/ 21:44 cait hm you would have to ask jared about that i think 21:44 cait not sure about how much is implemented of those features for unimarc 22:23 jcamins tcohen: the value stored in $9 is authid. 22:23 jcamins "RLIN" is just wrong in this context. 22:27 tcohen ok, learnt 22:30 jcamins It's one of those bugs that doesn't really have a clear fix so it stays broken. 22:32 tcohen you're talking about the naming of $9? or the bug itself jcamins? 22:32 jcamins The name. 22:32 wahanui somebody said the name was weird too? 22:37 cait switching to $0 and $w would be nice... 22:37 jcamins That'd be very nice. 22:37 tweetbot_ [off] @KohaILS: "#KohaILS [Koha-patches] [PATCH] [SIGNED-OFF] Bug 10843: the DateTime->add method takes a… http://t.co/EfWaVydVID" 22:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10843 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , print a slip can cause an error 22:55 tweetbot_ [off] @wizzyrea: "@aurynn I am quite proud of the #KohaILS community in that regard, there is a culture of "don't be a dick" that normally prevails." 23:07 jcamins [off] Are you a Java Developer who craves the opportunity to 23:07 jcamins write code that drives our products and enables things to get 23:07 jcamins done? 23:07 jcamins Well, that didn't quite work. 23:07 rangi heh 23:07 rangi neither will that job 23:08 jcamins But I definitely wake up in the morning and think "I want to write code to drive some faceless company's products!" 23:11 eythian face recognition software for a faceless corporation? 23:13 * jcamins considers. 23:13 jcamins Nope, still don't wake up thinking that. 23:15 wizzyrea so, I'm still connecting to z39.50 via yaz... 23:15 jcamins Woohoo! 23:15 wizzyrea to LoC 23:16 wizzyrea so it's not dead yet. 23:19 dcook morning folks 23:21 wizzyrea Hullo-a 23:48 dcook LoC may be down, but you can still read about UNIMARC on Ifla's site :p 23:48 * dcook wonders if there woudl be time to overthrow MARC before LoC comes back online 23:49 jcamins Yes! Do it! 23:49 * dcook looks over at gmcharlt 23:49 dcook Maybe Galen orchestrated this whole thing... 23:49 * dcook wonders if the NSA tracks #koha 23:50 dcook :P