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| 00:00 |
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dcook |
La langue de bois...neat phrase |
| 00:05 |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: something that may be relevant to your bug: the intended behavior of the transparent message is that it disappears upon keypress or mouse movement, but only after a delay. If things are close enough together, there's a bug that could cause that behavior not to work |
| 00:05 |
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pianohacker |
Good night, all |
| 01:58 |
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| 02:00 |
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dcook |
\o tcohen |
| 02:01 |
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dcook |
Twitter is great. I had never heard of Apache Derby before... |
| 02:01 |
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tcohen |
dcook o/ |
| 02:01 |
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* jcamins |
imagines a roller derby-style web browser event. |
| 02:01 |
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tcohen |
small footprint / java ? WTF? |
| 02:01 |
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dcook |
P.S. @aestivus's styling and XSLTs were all done by the librarian there |
| 02:02 |
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* dcook |
wishes more librarians were like @aestivus |
| 02:07 |
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tcohen |
night jcamins, dcook |
| 02:07 |
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dcook |
night tcohen |
| 02:11 |
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wizzyrea |
does anyone have really good notes about authority matching? |
| 02:11 |
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jcamins |
Nope. |
| 02:11 |
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jcamins |
Or, at least, I don't. |
| 02:11 |
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wizzyrea |
hrm |
| 02:11 |
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dcook |
Nopes |
| 02:11 |
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dcook |
That reminds me of something I was thinking of recently though... |
| 02:12 |
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dcook |
What do you mean when you refer to authority matching? |
| 02:14 |
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wizzyrea |
sorry I think I meant merging authorities - but I think I got what I needed out of the manual |
| 02:15 |
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wizzyrea |
well I know I do |
| 02:15 |
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wizzyrea |
so forget I asked. ; |
| 02:15 |
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wizzyrea |
;) |
| 02:15 |
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dcook |
Not at all. I'm curious now! |
| 02:15 |
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dcook |
Because I was thinking recently about merging authorities :p |
| 02:15 |
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dcook |
There's stuff in the manual about that?\ |
| 02:15 |
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jcamins |
dcook: different kind of merging. |
| 02:15 |
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dcook |
Mmm |
| 02:16 |
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jcamins |
Merging multiple authority records is implemented by bug 5202. |
| 02:16 |
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dcook |
I gotcha |
| 02:16 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5202 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Merge authority records |
| 02:16 |
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dcook |
Oh? |
| 02:16 |
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jcamins |
What Koha calls authority merging is actually "updating bibs when the authority changes." |
| 02:16 |
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dcook |
Awesome!!! |
| 02:16 |
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wahanui |
That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, dcook |
| 02:16 |
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dcook |
Yeah, I remember the first time I figured that out |
| 02:16 |
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dcook |
There was some hair pulling out I think ;) |
| 02:17 |
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wizzyrea |
they probably mean what you just linked jcamins |
| 02:17 |
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dcook |
Althoug you can use the merge_authorities.pl script manually to merge authorities, me thinks |
| 02:17 |
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jcamins |
dcook: you can, if you have command line access. |
| 02:17 |
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dcook |
Although I think it's just a 1 -> 1 relationship |
| 02:17 |
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dcook |
This looks like you could merge many into one? |
| 02:18 |
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dcook |
Oh wait, nvm |
| 02:19 |
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dcook |
jcamins++ |
| 02:20 |
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dcook |
I was just saying the other day how something like this should exist |
| 02:21 |
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dcook |
I suppose doing multiple merges at once would be more difficult, but this would certainly help a lot |
| 02:21 |
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dcook |
This looks like a proper merge |
| 02:21 |
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dcook |
I suppose I was thinking of "mark X number of records, and redirect their connections to Y authority record" |
| 02:22 |
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dcook |
redirect = re-map |
| 02:27 |
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mrx |
Hi, is there a way to access 2nd value of 020 field in a Marc record? E.g if one 020 field contains 13 digit ISBN and the other 020 field contain 10 digit code, how to access 2nd 020 value? Whenever I try to fetch 020 field it always returns the 1st value |
| 02:37 |
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bgkriegel |
mrx: are you using ExtractValue()? |
| 02:43 |
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mrx |
no, I'm using something like GetMarcBiblio(fetchrow_hashref())->field("020") |
| 02:44 |
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jcamins |
mrx: retrieve it into a list, and then address the second. |
| 02:47 |
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mrx |
oh ok, thanks jcamins |
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| 03:37 |
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dcook |
Hmm, any advice on how to build classes in Koha? |
| 03:42 |
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dcook |
Hmm Class::Accessor looks like it has a constructor with it.. |
| 03:47 |
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dcook |
Class::Accessor it is |
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cait |
mornin |
| 04:12 |
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dcook |
hey ya cait |
| 04:13 |
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cait |
hi dcook :) |
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* kf |
waves |
| 05:58 |
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dcook |
That was fast :p |
| 05:58 |
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kf |
it was not a long way :) |
| 06:00 |
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kf |
papa++ |
| 06:01 |
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* magnuse |
waves |
| 06:01 |
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magnuse |
dcook: talking of classes, have you seen the work being done on DBIx::Class? |
| 06:02 |
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magnuse |
bug 8798 |
| 06:02 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P3, ---, elliott, In Discussion , Add the use of DBIx::Class |
| 06:02 |
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kf |
oh good point magnuse |
| 06:04 |
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dcook |
Mmm, not recently |
| 06:04 |
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dcook |
I looked at it a while ago though |
| 06:05 |
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* dcook |
takes another look |
| 06:07 |
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magnuse |
there is something about DBIC_DONT_VALIDATE_RELS gmcharlt said he would be looking into |
| 06:08 |
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dcook |
Yeah, I was just reading that part |
| 06:08 |
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dcook |
Hmm |
| 06:08 |
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dcook |
DBIx::Class does look like it would be useful |
| 06:11 |
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dcook |
I suppose in that case...I would still create a new object...but use the DBIx::Class object during my own construction... |
| 06:11 |
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dcook |
Rather than a hashref from the DB |
| 06:11 |
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dcook |
Although that almost seems counter-intuitive |
| 06:11 |
|
dcook |
Actually, it does seem counter-intuitive |
| 06:12 |
|
dcook |
But maybe my design is bad and it certainly isn't the norm... |
| 06:12 |
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dcook |
Eventually used the source for Class::Accessor as inspiration for how to make my own constructor then used it to make the accessors |
| 06:12 |
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kf |
why not use class:accessor? |
| 06:13 |
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dcook |
I am, but I needed to over-ride its basic constuctor |
| 06:13 |
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dcook |
So that I could put in the HTTP::OAI::Harvester object as one of its properties |
| 06:14 |
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kf |
interesting |
| 06:14 |
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wahanui |
interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 06:15 |
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kf |
koha has a spinelabel css |
| 06:15 |
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kf |
but it can't be edited frm the system prefrences? |
| 06:15 |
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dcook |
Not sure? |
| 06:15 |
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* dcook |
has GetRecord and ListRecords working so far. Just 4 more verbs to go... |
| 06:19 |
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* magnuse |
cheers dcook on |
| 06:19 |
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dcook |
Thanks magnuse :) |
| 06:20 |
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dcook |
At first, I figured that we'd just need ListRecords, but that makes a lot of assumptions |
| 06:20 |
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* kf |
cheers too :) |
| 06:20 |
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dcook |
Best to make an interface that allows the use of all 6 verbs me thinks |
| 06:21 |
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dcook |
Although maybe I should dial it back soon and look at doing the transformations and inserting into Koha.. |
| 06:21 |
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dcook |
Damned scope creep... |
| 06:21 |
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magnuse |
hehe |
| 06:22 |
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dcook |
I want to have something in place for Kohacon... |
| 06:22 |
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dcook |
Still a little ways away I suppose |
| 06:22 |
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dcook |
I should be documenting this so I can speak about it better |
| 06:22 |
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* dcook |
will just stand and scroll through IRC logs for his presentation |
| 06:22 |
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dcook |
That could work, right? |
| 06:22 |
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dcook |
;) |
| 06:23 |
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kf |
totally :) |
| 06:23 |
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magnuse |
sure! |
| 06:24 |
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dcook |
I like your positivity ;) |
| 06:24 |
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kf |
we are supportive |
| 06:27 |
|
dcook |
kf++ |
| 06:27 |
|
dcook |
magnuse++ |
| 06:27 |
|
dcook |
3 verbs down 3 to go |
| 06:27 |
|
dcook |
I should make lunch |
| 06:27 |
|
dcook |
Seeing that it's 4:27pm |
| 06:27 |
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dcook |
It's too bright for this time of day...which is great...means spring/summer approach :D |
| 06:28 |
|
magnuse |
heh |
| 06:29 |
|
magnuse |
interesting time for lunch... ;-) |
| 06:32 |
|
dcook |
I have a tendency to focus and forget about regular human things :p |
| 06:53 |
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kf |
grr |
| 06:53 |
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kf |
itemcallnumber doesn't want to print! |
| 06:53 |
|
dcook |
Hmm |
| 06:53 |
|
dcook |
It might be because of the name |
| 06:53 |
|
dcook |
I've had that issue before |
| 06:55 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, or maybe I'm crazy |
| 06:55 |
|
dcook |
Nvm |
| 06:55 |
|
dcook |
My issue was someone tried "callnumber" rather than "itemcallnumber", I think |
| 06:55 |
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kf |
i have itemcallnumber |
| 06:55 |
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kf |
and 953o |
| 07:07 |
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christophe_c |
hello #koha |
| 07:08 |
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dcook |
salut christophe_c, lds |
| 07:09 |
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christophe_c |
bonjour dcook ;-) |
| 07:12 |
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lds |
bonjour/hello #koha |
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| 07:23 |
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dcook |
Hmm, looks like my dev VM is broken... |
| 07:23 |
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dcook |
Ooops |
| 07:23 |
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dcook |
Or...it suddenly started working... |
| 07:28 |
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dcook |
All right. Home time. |
| 07:28 |
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dcook |
Bonne journée/soirée |
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kf |
hm label creator is barely translated |
| 07:35 |
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kf |
lots of issues there :( |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
| 07:39 |
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wahanui |
privet, gaetan_B |
| 07:43 |
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kf |
opachiddenitems-- |
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| 08:17 |
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magnuse |
kf: 953o and itemcallnumber? shouldn't that be 952? |
| 08:17 |
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kf |
typo here but not there |
| 08:17 |
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kf |
but right now fighting a different thing |
| 08:21 |
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* magnuse |
cheers kf on in her battles |
| 08:23 |
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kf |
bug 10676 |
| 08:23 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10676 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OpacHiddenItems not working for restricted |
| 08:24 |
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magnuse |
http://schema.koha-community.org/ says "Generated by SchemaSpy on Fri Sep 28 09:20 NZST 2012" - is that correct? and if it is, who can update it? |
| 08:30 |
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kf |
hm rangi maybe? |
| 08:38 |
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magnuse |
yeah, sounds familiar |
| 09:45 |
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magnuse |
wahanui: forget next gbsd |
| 09:45 |
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wahanui |
magnuse: I forgot next gbsd |
| 09:45 |
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magnuse |
next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day |
| 09:45 |
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magnuse |
next gbsd? |
| 09:45 |
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wahanui |
rumour has it next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day |
| 09:45 |
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kf |
yay :) |
| 09:51 |
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kf |
KOHA? |
| 09:51 |
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wahanui |
KOHA is a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info |
| 09:58 |
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magnuse |
koha? |
| 09:58 |
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wahanui |
i heard koha was a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info |
| 10:25 |
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magnuse |
i want HTTPS for my customers - can anyone recommend a good CA for wildcard SSL certificates? |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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tcohen |
hi #koha |
| 12:30 |
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tcohen |
jcamins: on bug 5202 you note problems with authorities frameworks |
| 12:30 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5202 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Merge authority records |
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oleonard |
Oh yay wizzyrea updated the Bootstrap OPAC demo to the latest version! |
| 12:51 |
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oleonard |
http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz/ |
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oleonard |
Gotta figure out why the cart shows an empty count bubble when it first starts up. |
| 13:00 |
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magnuse |
oh my, that does look good, oleonard |
| 13:05 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: it's missing a #basketcount span:empty CSS declaration. |
| 13:05 |
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oleonard |
Thanks magnuse. I think it's getting close to being usable. |
| 13:06 |
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magnuse |
oleonard: yay! |
| 13:08 |
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magnuse |
i hope it gets into master sooner rather than later, so we can "accidentally discover" any bugs and missing things before pi |
| 13:10 |
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oleonard |
I'm still unsure how to handle multiple controls like this: http://www.screencast.com/t/aijBMmWR |
| 13:10 |
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oleonard |
Should some be hidden? Should they be grouped into menus? |
| 13:11 |
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jcamins |
I think the list stuff should be hidden until someone taps it. |
| 13:11 |
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jcamins |
Unless that's a list view, in which case there should be a title. |
| 13:11 |
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oleonard |
That's the view of a list's contents |
| 13:11 |
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jcamins |
Okay. Never mind. |
| 13:11 |
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wahanui |
Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot. |
| 13:13 |
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oleonard |
I wonder if we should even offer bulk actions at that screen size. |
| 13:16 |
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jcamins |
Possibly not. |
| 13:22 |
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oleonard |
We'll need to be able to add a "delete from this list" button for each item in a list (something we should have anyway) |
| 13:22 |
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oleonard |
I wonder if there is a bug for that |
| 13:24 |
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oleonard |
Bug 7257. Good job, past self. |
| 13:24 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7257 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add a link to remove an individual title from a list |
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tcohen |
quick poll: who's working on fixing reserves? |
| 13:35 |
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tcohen |
@search reserves |
| 13:35 |
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huginn` |
tcohen: There were no matching configuration variables. |
| 13:35 |
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tcohen |
@query reserves |
| 13:35 |
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huginn` |
tcohen: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2927 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Saving on enter |
| 13:35 |
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huginn` |
tcohen: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3792 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Checking out on-hold item to someone else replaces item-level hold with next available |
| 13:35 |
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huginn` |
tcohen: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2898 normal, P3, ---, henridamien, NEW , C4::Letters::parseletter kills performance in notice jobs |
| 13:35 |
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huginn` |
tcohen: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5800 normal, P3, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , Hold Policy "home library only" incompatible with CircControl "patron home library" |
| 13:35 |
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huginn` |
tcohen: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3054 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Holds/reserves accountlines record contains NULL itemnumber |
| 13:37 |
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jeffkelly |
Hello! We are trying to install Koha on Ubuntu server at our school, with very little experience. We followed the instructions as per http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ubuntu_-_packages but once we try to access for the web installation we receive the message: System maintenance The Koha online catalog is offline for system maintenance. We'll be back soon! If you have any questions, please contact the site administrator. |
| 13:38 |
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jeffkelly |
Has anyone experienced such an issue? Suggestions? |
| 13:38 |
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jcamins |
jeffkelly: yes. You probably need to configure your DNS. |
| 13:38 |
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jcamins |
Or change your virtual host to match your DNS. |
| 13:38 |
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wahanui |
jcamins: that doesn't look right |
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| 13:39 |
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jcamins |
That happens when you are accessing the OPAC instead of the staff client. |
| 13:40 |
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magnuse |
yeah, try to get tp the staff client, where you can run through the web part of the install process |
| 13:40 |
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jcamins |
The virtual hosts are configured in /etc/apache2/sites-available/[instancename] |
| 13:41 |
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jeffkelly |
I see. I will double check our DNS and virtual host, as well as making sure we are trying to access staff vs opac. Thanks! |
| 13:43 |
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kf_away |
tcohen: that shoudl give youan answer :( |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn` |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0°C (3:50 PM CEST on August 02, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
@wunder marseille |
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huginn` |
magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 32.0°C (3:30 PM CEST on August 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
gah! |
| 14:00 |
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magnuse |
@wunder konstanz |
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huginn` |
magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 31.2°C (3:15 PM CEST on August 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:00 |
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magnuse |
gah! |
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kf |
gah. |
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gaetan_B |
bye ! |
| 14:13 |
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jeffkelly |
Hmm, as far as I can tell...everything looks alright and we are trying to access the staff client. Is there anything else specific we can try? |
| 14:18 |
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kf |
jeffkelly: what is the url you are trying? |
| 14:19 |
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kf |
only opac gives maintenance, staff never does |
| 14:20 |
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jeffkelly |
we tried setting it up exactly as the instructions say...so http://library-intra.myDNSname.org:80 |
| 14:21 |
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kf |
80 is opac |
| 14:21 |
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kf |
try 8080 |
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kf |
oh hm |
| 14:22 |
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kf |
intra... not sure then - which instructions did you use? |
| 14:22 |
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jeffkelly |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ubuntu_-_packages |
| 14:25 |
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magnuse |
jeffkelly: try pasting your /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/something |
| 14:25 |
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magnuse |
paste? |
| 14:25 |
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wahanui |
I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org |
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jeffkelly |
I am acutally on a seperate device...and I'm not typing it all out.. |
| 14:31 |
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bigbrovar_ |
3rd day trying to figure out why issn matching rule of the marc stage import doesn't work. I have gone through each and every record to ensure the issn of the records in koha matches with the mrc file to be imported and the match.. after all said and done.. I just can't figure out what I could be doing wrong. I am so tempted to file a bug (running 3-12 debian squeeze packages) |
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and yes I did ran koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v library (numerous times ) |
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so depressed right now.. i have already spent like close to 72 (cummulative) hours on this.. and I just can't figure what is wrong. |
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bigbrovar_ |
from the docs the matching rule seems straight forward.. if it finds a match for say issn .. add ignore the records, add the items.. issn exist in imported marc as it does in the koha database.. why report 0 records with at least one match? |
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* Nicole C. Engard: update multiple copies to multiple items |
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* Nicole C. Engard: update search group description |
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tcohen |
are tag and and authorities cloud usable out of the box? |
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tcohen |
nengard? |
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wahanui |
nengard is fast |
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nengard |
tag cloud should be |
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nengard |
if you have it enabled in the sys prefs |
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nengard |
the authorities cloud is a french only thing as far as i know so i don't have an answer on that |
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tcohen |
how can i generate the tag cloud? |
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nengard |
it's automatic |
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nengard |
if you have tags enabled and you have some tags on titles |
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nengard |
the cloud should be there |
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nengard |
http://manual.koha-community.o[…].html#opactagging |
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tcohen |
no cloud or browser field/subfield defined : nothing to do |
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nengard |
?? |
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kf |
tcohen: there are 2 clouds |
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kf |
what is labelled cloud int hte prefs will need a scrpit |
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kf |
it kind of works a bit for marc21 |
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kf |
you could give it a test run |
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kf |
but it's not related to the tag cloud |
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kf |
bigbrovar_: filing a bug might be good - or trying the mailng list. maybe supply screenshots and example records |
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tcohen |
kf++ |
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kf |
yay! |
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oleonard |
We've moved on from Google Groups to StackExchange I see... |
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jcamins |
oleonard: StackExchange != mailing list, so I think this is progress. |
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oleonard |
What do you mean? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: at least the proposal is for a system that isn't identical to one we already have. |
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tcohen |
the main problem is maintenance of course |
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tcohen |
(duplicate questions, etc) |
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jcamins |
tcohen: from my point of view, the main problem is that I am not following any additional fora. |
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jcamins |
Argh. I keep losing count of pages. |
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tcohen |
yes, it would mean the list plus ask |
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oleonard |
Did I have a work in progress for Bug 7257 resulting in that screenshot, or did I just mock it up? |
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oleonard |
Need to know whether I should be mad at myself for letting that work in progress disappear from my computer and my memory. |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7257 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add a link to remove an individual title from a list |
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oleonard |
*whew* |
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* oleonard |
hopes all those folks weren't probed by aliens while they were gone. |
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JesseM |
:) |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: I dare not speak of our experience on that other side... |
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* gmcharlt |
shivers |
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oleonard |
Whenever I get an email from someone suggesting I add a link to our web site I'm suspicious about their motives. The latest one is from this domain, which I'm not entirely convinced isn't a fake site: http://www.goodwincc.org/ |
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oleonard |
Would someone have created a whole fake site to make their "helpful suggestion" sound legit? |
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oleonard |
Do I need to lay off the tin foil hats? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: call your local library and see if they're for real? |
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* jcamins |
chortles. |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: oleonard already talks to himself too much in channel... ;) |
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oleonard |
Does a place like this really not mention what town their in, and list their address as "372 Main Street – 627–9025" |
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oleonard |
s/their/they're, sorry. |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: oleonard probably. It's a community center for the people who go to the church it's attached to. |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: whoops, I never finished typing my response to you. |
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jcamins |
Let me try that again. |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: that's why I'm encouraging him to use a different communication technology. |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: yeah, upon looking at it and trying (and failing) to Google what city or even state they're in ... it does look off to me too |
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* oleonard |
pulls off another sheet of tin foil and offers it to gmcharlt |
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jcamins |
oleonard: respond and ask that for their exact address and phone number? |
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oleonard |
My curiosity may yet convince me to do so |
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jcamins |
oleonard: they're not a 501(c)(3) or incorporated in Ohio under any name that includes "Goodwin." |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: what's weird is that most of the (relatively few) references I'm finding to them are about how they've contributed links for other websites |
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oleonard |
Yeah I found that too |
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gmcharlt |
what's veddy-veddy interesting though, is that while I have found a Goodwin Community center in North Charleston, NC ... its street address and phone number are cmopletely different |
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gmcharlt |
er, SC, not NC |
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druthb |
@quote random |
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huginn` |
druthb: Quote #120: "<sekjal> I think time is less like a continuum, and more like a series of git commits" (added by gmcharlt at 05:57 PM, January 27, 2011) |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, huginn`. |
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oleonard |
git checkout oleonardtimeline; git reset --hard 2013-08-02 05:00:00 |
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oleonard |
I must not be in the right git repository |
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druthb |
git checkout druthb; git reset—hard 2013-08-02 15:59:59 |
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druthb |
hm. That didn't work, either. |
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tcohen |
oleonard, what do u think of making the "Z39.50 search" button (on the first cataloging page) a dropdown to choose the desired framework? |
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tcohen |
(and even change the wording to something like "New from Z39.50 search") |
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oleonard |
tcohen: Maybe a split button, so that if you want you can just click the main part of the button to use the default? |
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tcohen |
i like that |
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tcohen |
it would make cataloging from z39.50 two clicks faster |
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tcohen |
and might be a better workaround for bug 9742 |
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jcamins |
bug 9742? |
| 17:18 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9742 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Confirm overlay prompt always appears on creating record from Z39.50 |
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jcamins |
Ah. |
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tcohen |
if you are editing a record, it is understandable that you are prompted to confirm |
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tcohen |
if you're creating a new one, you shouldnt |
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* tcohen |
sees they are not completely related topics :-/ |
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tcohen |
oleonard: can you point me to a split button example currently used in Koha? |
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oleonard |
addbiblio.pl |
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wahanui |
i guess addbiblio.pl is a tangled mess, and every time we touch it we break something. |
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tcohen |
thanks |
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oleonard |
http://getbootstrap.com/2.3.2/[…]l#buttonDropdowns |
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tcohen |
"New from Z39.50" ? |
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oleonard |
That makes sense to me |
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jcamins |
"... the thrilling new standard by the makers of PQF and CCL." |
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tcohen |
hh |
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kf |
lol |
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kf |
you all are always trying to send me to bed |
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kf |
why is noone sending me home? |
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druthb |
kf? |
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wahanui |
kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert. |
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druthb |
hush, wahanui. |
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wahanui |
druthb: what? |
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druthb |
kf, go home! |
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kf |
thx druthb |
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rambutan |
I go home. |
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* kf |
waves goodbye |
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* cait |
waves |
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druthb |
cait! |
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cait |
I've got fresh estragon |
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druthb |
drojf! |
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cait |
any suggestions what to do with it almighty #koha? |
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drojf |
druthb! |
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cait |
druthb! drojf! |
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drojf |
cait! |
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drojf |
a nice vodka estragon |
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druthb |
hm.. "Estragon is one of the two main characters from Samuel Beckett's _Waiting for Godot_." |
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jcamins |
I have no idea what estragon is. |
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druthb |
Terragon, jcamins. |
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jcamins |
druthb: ah. |
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jcamins |
cait: put it on thinly-sliced potatoes and bake them. |
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jcamins |
Or make a salad dressing. |
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jcamins |
Or apply to fish. |
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drojf |
Estragon is one of the two main characters from Samuel Beckett's Waiting for Godot. |
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cait |
i neither have fish nor potatos right now |
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cait |
and i get potatos next week with the veggy box |
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cait |
would it work with gnocchi? |
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jcamins |
It would. |
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jcamins |
But I thought you didn't have potatoes? |
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drojf |
Artemisia dracunculus sounds much more attractive |
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cait |
i have gnocchi :) |
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cait |
jcamins: more hints? |
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jcamins |
cait: hmm. |
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jcamins |
I'd probably make a butter sauce with it. |
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cait |
hmm |
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cait |
i got butter |
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cait |
how do you make a butter sauce? |
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cait |
cooking with butter is not something i do often |
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jcamins |
I just melt the butter, add the herbs, boil for a bit, and then pour over the gnocchi. |
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cait |
ah ok |
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jcamins |
Half stick of butter per lb of gnocchi. |
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cait |
that sounds easy |
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jcamins |
Oh, and I'd add garlic. |
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cait |
that sounds sgood |
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jcamins |
We add garlic to everything. |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
you leave the terragon in in small pieces i guess? |
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jcamins |
Yup. |
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cait |
k thx :) |
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druthb |
garlic is useful for keeping away vampires. |
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druthb |
oop. garlic? |
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druthb |
wahanui: garlic? |
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wahanui |
garlic is useful for keeping away vampires. |
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cait |
yeah, and one of the good sites of living alone |
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druthb |
thought so. |
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tcohen |
oleonard around? |
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* oleonard |
waves |
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tcohen |
http://snag.gy/gRebC.jpg |
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oleonard |
Looks good |
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tcohen |
thanks |
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tcohen |
it doesn't work, but looks good |
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oleonard |
:) |
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tcohen |
kidding, submitting the patch |
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tcohen |
added a parameter to PopupZ3950 (framework |
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tcohen |
) |
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oleonard |
I often get something to look the way I want it before I even get it to work. It helps me know if I've got the workflow corrrect |
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tcohen |
you're right about that |
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tcohen |
bug 10678 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10678 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Allow framework selection when creating from Z39.50 |
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oleonard |
Oh, the prog theme OPAC is broken in IE10? Nice. |
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oleonard |
Cart and Lists buttons look like crap. |
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oleonard |
Probably because of some stupid CSS necessary to accommodate older versions :P |
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maximep |
can't say we ever tested it in ie10 :P |
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maximep |
or anything |
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wahanui |
anything is possible with enough development work :) |
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maximep |
:p |
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gmcharlt |
wahanui: complete cross-browser compatibility? I really question that! ;) |
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wahanui |
gmcharlt: excuse me? |
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cait |
:) |
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tcohen |
put no javascript or css on plain HTML4 and you're almost there :-P |
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* oleonard |
is sure IE would think of a way to mess that up |
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tcohen |
heh |
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* cait |
agrees |
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tcohen |
bye #koha, have a nice weekend |
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oleonard |
You too tcohen |
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* oleonard |
puts his patch for Bug 7257 into a time machine and sends it back to November 2011 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7257 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Add a link to remove an individual title from a list |
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pianohacker |
oleonard: Do you have any sort of convention for what to call the i (or index) parameter passed to a $.each function if you don't need it for anything? |
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oleonard |
No |
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pianohacker |
I realized quite belatedly that _ is not a good idea :) |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: if you don't need it, you can leave it out. |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: Yes, but then you need to refer to the actual value with this, which can get hairy fast |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: I think I've seen (undef, val), actually. That said, I always use idx and val. |
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pianohacker |
fair enough |
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pianohacker |
I like undef though |
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jcamins |
That might only work in certain browsers, or something like that. |
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oleonard |
khall++ # for doing signoffs today |
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drojf |
gmcharlt++ |
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cait |
gmcharlt++ |
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drojf |
signing off+adding a test. thanks! |
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bag |
ha that's a pretty good twitter feed |
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bag |
@kohails++ |
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huginn` |
bag: downloading the Perl source |
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bag |
whoops |
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bag |
koha++ |
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* druthb |
chuckles at bag. |
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druthb |
bag++ #I needed a chuckle. |
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bag |
you are welcome - I have plenty of more dumb things :) |
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bag |
so druthb get this - Sonja is all the way down with her disseration and the profs have signed off on it - but the grad division has one little problem |
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bag |
the page numbers are too low on the page |
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jcamins |
Ha! I was going to guess the margin was wrong. |
| 19:56 |
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bag |
which is easy to fix in Word - but not in Latex |
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oleonard |
"I have to crane my neck way down just to see them!" |
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bag |
my comment was - tell them to get longer paper :) |
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bag |
the problem with moving them is it throws a few of her diagrams out of whack - which is way more important than the page numbers |
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druthb |
yeah, that'll be no fun to fix. |
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* drojf |
would like to add something useful but latex is really long ago |
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jcamins |
bag: I've actually heard of a lot of candidates who encountered problems due to margins after getting their thesis/dissertation approved. |
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bag |
yeah I think the grad division gets their kicks out of it |
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bag |
it's a common thing here |
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druthb |
They have to have one last opportunity to annoy you…besides the bills. That lasts forever. |
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jcamins |
bag: can she keep the figures on the pages she wants by adjusting the tolerance or badness at the same time as adjusting fancyhdr? I did that once or twice. |
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bag |
not sure - but I know she will figure it out |
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bag |
I think she's got it now - only took her like an hour and half :) |
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bag |
the final page count is 106 pages on a B_type of Thompson's Group F (that's the quick version of the title) |
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pianohacker |
an hour spent saying words like "oh shoot" and "dernit" I'm sure |
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oleonard |
Welp, see you later #koha. |
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huginn` |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10666: avoid random failures of Daily quotes tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d93ee119bc3b01486> |
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jenkins_koha |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.10.x build #169: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/169/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: Bug 10494: test cases for the KohaBranchName plugin |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: Bug 10494: remove spurious warnings from the KohaBranchName plugin |
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jenkins_koha |
* Kyle M Hall: Bug 10484: serials-edit.pl not checking for barcode field before checking for barcode subfield |
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jenkins_koha |
* Liz Rea: Bug 6553 - Parentheses in Corporate author break tracings |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10494 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , KohaBranchName sends useless warnings to log if supplied library code is null or not present |
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jenkins_koha |
* Owen Leonard: Bug 10497 - star ratings not showing right in ccsr detail |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10484 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , serials-edit.pl not checking for barcode field before checking for barcode subfield |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6553 major, P3, ---, liz, Pushed to Stable , Parentheses in corporate author break tracings |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10497 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , star ratings not showing right in ccsr detail |
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jenkins_koha |
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pianohacker |
bye all |
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jenkins_koha |
Nicole C. Engard: fix typo |
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jenkins_koha |
* Nicole C. Engard: fix typo |
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jenkins_koha |
* Nicole C. Engard: fix typo |
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jenkins_koha |
* Nicole C. Engard: add path to did you mean |
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jenkins_koha |
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jenkins_koha |
Nicole C. Engard: fix typo |
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tcohen |
how do you call the arrow pointing down on a drop down? |
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jcamins |
Caret. |
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tcohen |
i'm trying to describe this http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ment.cgi?id=20082 on the help page |
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tcohen |
"Click 'New from Z39.50' (optionally, you can choose a framework to which import the record by clicking the caret on the right)" |
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jenkins_koha |
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jenkins_koha |
Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10666: avoid random failures of Daily quotes tests |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10666 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Daily quotes tests are failing |
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jcamins |
Works for me. |
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tcohen |
thanks |
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tcohen |
patch sent |
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* tcohen |
has just realized he doesn't usually take the help into account when submitting patches... |
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jenkins_koha |
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jenkins_koha |
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jenkins_koha |
Nicole C. Engard: add path to did you mean |
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jenkins_koha |
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jenkins_koha |
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jenkins_koha |
Nicole C. Engard: add path to did you mean |
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tcohen |
this is what Koha shows if an invalid framework code is passed to addbiblio http://snag.gy/eMdLl.jpg |
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tcohen |
what would the best possible behaviour in such scenario be? |
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tcohen |
a warning? set the framework to the default? both? |
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jenkins_koha |
Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10666: avoid random failures of Daily quotes tests |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10666 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Daily quotes tests are failing |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt: your post about perl 5.10 is really nice |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: thanks |
