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pianohacker |
@zyxel-- |
| 00:00 |
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huginn` |
pianohacker: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 00:00 |
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pianohacker |
oh right |
| 00:00 |
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pianohacker |
zyxel-- |
| 00:00 |
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pianohacker |
^ above make really crappy modems/routers |
| 00:04 |
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gmcharlt |
I am a little surprised that nobody seems to have ever had an itch that would be scratched by writing a Perl binding for fontconfig |
| 00:06 |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: I think maybe those itches turned out to be fatal. |
| 00:08 |
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gmcharlt |
I wonder why; fontconfig itself is nothing more than a fancy database |
| 00:08 |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: sure, but fonts on Linux = guaranteed madness up until recently |
| 00:09 |
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jcamins |
It was like looking into the abyss... and having it stare back at you. |
| 00:09 |
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* jcamins |
shudders. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, tcohen. |
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druthb |
o/ |
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mtompset |
Greetings, druthb. |
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* druthb |
duct-tapes talljoy to her chair |
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talljoy |
crikey i know. |
| 02:11 |
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talljoy |
it's pidgin. acting flighty tonight |
| 02:19 |
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mtj |
can anybody think of a clever way to use .po files to translate the marc21.sql files, into various languages? |
| 02:20 |
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mtj |
hmm, druthb - any ideas? ^^ |
| 02:21 |
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druthb |
mtj: That's a problem I've been thinking about some, but don't have any firm answers for. And the solution would still mean you get *one* language choice, not a true-multi-language system, which irks my sensibilities. |
| 02:22 |
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mtj |
yeah, i clicked to that too |
| 02:23 |
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mtj |
a bit like having a marc21 or unimarc system…. but never-ever an ILS that handles *both* formats |
| 02:23 |
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druthb |
yes. |
| 02:23 |
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mtj |
i still dont fully understand the .po process |
| 02:25 |
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druthb |
as it is *right now*, it pretty much only does templates for admin and opac, plus the sys prefs. Anything in the .pl or sql is untouched. |
| 02:27 |
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mtj |
druthb, its not possible to translate a raw .sql file, is it? |
| 02:27 |
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mtj |
… the .sql file needs to have its strings extracted/dumped to another file, for processing? |
| 02:28 |
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mtj |
…and then, ?somehow? the translated strings are substituted back into the .sql file |
| 02:28 |
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mtj |
is that how it works? |
| 02:29 |
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druthb |
Basically. |
| 02:29 |
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druthb |
it's pretty gnarly--you'd have to do that *before* you install! |
| 02:30 |
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mtj |
or, the RM could build those files when releasing |
| 02:31 |
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mtj |
and then those files would not need to be built before installing, coz the RM did that already |
| 02:34 |
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mtj |
hmm, i might leave that chat for another day |
| 02:35 |
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mtompset |
Just when the ideas were getting interesting. :( |
| 02:38 |
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druthb |
heh. |
| 02:38 |
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druthb |
adding_more_RM_work-- |
| 02:38 |
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druthb |
plus, that's not very dynamic. |
| 02:38 |
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mtompset |
True enough. |
| 02:38 |
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mtj |
hmm, i think ive finally clicked to how the po stuff works |
| 02:39 |
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mtj |
yes, perfectly true… but |
| 02:40 |
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mtj |
running a single script to build 50 framework files, is a bunch more dynamic that manually doing it |
| 02:41 |
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mtompset |
Yes, couldn't that vapour-ware script be run as part of the package/tar.gz building? |
| 02:42 |
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druthb |
yes. What I'd *prefer*, though, is the ability for the system to be truly multilingual. That's going to take some pretty broad DB changes. |
| 02:42 |
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mtompset |
There's probably already some sort of script to run to do the building of the packages or a tar.gz. |
| 02:43 |
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jcamins |
Everyone uses a different script. |
| 02:43 |
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mtompset |
So something like, pull out the strings for the pages from a DB query keyed on and id and language id? |
| 02:44 |
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jcamins |
The problem is not translating. |
| 02:44 |
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mtj |
sorry, when i said 'doing it' , i meant tracking updates to the .sql files |
| 02:44 |
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jcamins |
I mean, someone would have to write the string extracting and merging parts for misc/translator/translate, but that's not technically difficult. |
| 02:45 |
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jcamins |
The problem is is still that the system is about as multi-lingual as an American. |
| 02:45 |
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mtompset |
jcamins: Glad an American said that. ;) |
| 02:46 |
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* jcamins |
wanders off to get some sleep. |
| 02:46 |
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mtompset |
Have a good night, jcamins. :) |
| 02:48 |
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mtompset |
I suppose, I'm not understanding what you mean by truly multilingual, druthb. |
| 02:49 |
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mtj |
well, atm you can only choose 1 framework, for 1 language |
| 02:49 |
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druthb |
For instance, if you're in the staff client in English mode, and edit a bib, the labels are in English. If you change the staff client to, say French--or Klingon--or whatever, then edit a bib, the labels are in....English. |
| 02:50 |
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mtompset |
Really?! |
| 02:50 |
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wahanui |
really is off now |
| 02:50 |
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druthb |
*everything* should change. And it doesn't. If it's contained in the database, and *not* a syspref description, it's not getting changed, at all. |
| 02:50 |
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mtompset |
I haven't tried, so I wouldn't know. |
| 02:51 |
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mtj |
druthb, to get to where we want to be, we still need a way to have up-to-date frameworks for all langs |
| 02:51 |
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mtj |
… so this problem is still relevant |
| 02:51 |
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druthb |
Oh, absolutely. But Frameworks are just *part* of that. Every piece of text everywhere in the DB that is intended for screen display... |
| 02:51 |
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mtj |
we still need to sort this, before we can get there |
| 02:53 |
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mtj |
yep |
| 02:53 |
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mtj |
so we would need a way to display the correct syspref strings, for a users language (as an example) |
| 02:55 |
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druthb |
yep. Basically, the thinking I'd had is to add a field (to already-bloated tables) for "lang"...and then you select with an additional WHERE for the current language. |
| 02:55 |
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druthb |
gnarly, but it'd work. |
| 02:55 |
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mtj |
in a proper multi-linual koha, we would need to load all syspref strings, for all langs, into the db |
| 02:56 |
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druthb |
yes. At least, for all langs that *that install* wanted to use. |
| 02:56 |
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mtompset |
Yes, that's more of what I was envisioning, mtj. |
| 02:56 |
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mtompset |
Updates done to that db via a po2db script? ;) |
| 02:57 |
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druthb |
yep, something like that. |
| 02:57 |
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mtompset |
Question... what about the error logs? |
| 02:58 |
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mtompset |
would we be even able to multilingual-ize them? |
| 02:58 |
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mtj |
druthb, i like your idea - it feels like the obvious/correct choice |
| 02:58 |
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druthb |
Obvious, yes, correct--probably...but definitely non-trivial. |
| 02:59 |
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* mtompset |
nods. |
| 02:59 |
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mtj |
hey ftw, google-translate works really well with koha.. |
| 03:02 |
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mtj |
…try the 'korean' option, from the google-trans drop-down |
| 03:03 |
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mtj |
you can see it translates the hardcoded english MARC21 field descriptions nicely |
| 03:04 |
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* druthb |
nominates mtj for Chief Teller Of Non-Anglophones That GTranslate Is Right. |
| 03:07 |
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mtj |
s/nicely/badly/ |
| 03:08 |
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druthb |
mhm. |
| 03:08 |
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druthb |
GT works *okay*, *sometimes* for a single word or short phrase. |
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druthb |
woo hoo! http://transformedwoodworks.co[…]h=1&products_id=1 |
| 04:09 |
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mtompset |
Is there a way to hide branches from results? |
| 04:14 |
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mtompset |
Better just go to bed. |
| 04:15 |
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mtompset |
Have a great day. |
| 04:20 |
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talljoy |
druthb that looks like a pen you made me! |
| 04:20 |
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druthb |
:) |
| 04:20 |
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druthb |
I've been doing some turning lately, plus I had a few from before I left Maryland. |
| 04:21 |
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druthb |
I figured it was high time I got those online. |
| 04:21 |
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druthb |
Setting up Zen-Cart is a minor pain in the patootie. |
| 04:22 |
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talljoy |
selling your wares! cool. |
| 04:22 |
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talljoy |
i have to hide my pen from the young 'un. he has a pen fetish. Buys pens with his allowance. odd! |
| 04:23 |
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druthb |
Plz to give him the link. :D |
| 04:23 |
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talljoy |
i will! |
| 04:24 |
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druthb |
I'm gonna try to get a dozen or so up on the website this weekend. |
| 04:24 |
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talljoy |
is that your pen up there ^^ |
| 04:25 |
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talljoy |
duh.. i see your NAME in big letters now!!! |
| 04:25 |
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druthb |
:) |
| 04:25 |
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druthb |
how do you like the site layout? |
| 04:25 |
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talljoy |
sigh...that kind of day. 2 migrations in 24 hours. both with nervous nells |
| 04:25 |
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talljoy |
i like the site a lot. very nice |
| 04:26 |
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druthb |
I still have a fair bit of tinkering to do, but it's coming along. |
| 04:27 |
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talljoy |
hey do you read anything by Susan Phillips? |
| 04:27 |
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talljoy |
http://www.susanephillips.com/ |
| 04:28 |
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druthb |
I haven't, no |
| 04:28 |
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talljoy |
i went to an author lunch at TLA (just to see Andrew McCarthy) and she was the other author. Anyways, i got a signed copy of her book and read it. Light romance stuff, thought you might enjoy it. I'd be happy to mail it to ya if you PM me your address. |
| 04:29 |
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druthb |
That'd be awesome! Thanks! |
| 04:31 |
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talljoy |
has the minion moved out yet? |
| 04:33 |
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druthb |
Nope; probably be the end of July before all the pieces fall into place. |
| 04:35 |
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talljoy |
then you're an emptynester. found a choir or dance group in houston yet? |
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druthb |
Yes, and yes. :D |
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* druthb |
heads for bed! |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn` |
cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 12.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on June 01, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Rising). |
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jcamins |
Woo! Filter win! |
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