IRC log for #koha, 2013-06-02

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Time S Nick Message
00:03 mtj yep, me too
00:05 mtj i even missed brooke's reply :)
00:06 mtj which means i cant reply to either… even if i wanted too
00:11 tcohen hi mtj
00:11 tcohen i'm about to answer BTW
00:12 mtj heya tomas
00:12 mtj really?
00:12 wahanui somebody said really was off now
00:13 bgkriegel don't answer
00:13 mtj yeah, dont answer...
00:14 tcohen oops
00:14 tcohen already did it
00:14 bgkriegel too late :)
00:14 tcohen i'm flamer-friendly I guess
00:14 tcohen hi bgkriegel
00:14 bgkriegel hi tomas
00:15 bgkriegel hi mtj
00:15 mtj hey bernardo, thanks for those marc framworks patches
00:16 bgkriegel :-)
00:16 bgkriegel I was working today on that
00:17 mtj i have a task to add some RDA patches koha
00:17 mtj i want to ask people if i should add them to the default marc21 framework... or make a new RDA fwrk instead?
00:18 bgkriegel mmm, ask the list? :-)
00:18 tcohen people already using Koha will have to choose to change the default framework
00:18 tcohen people new to koha will benefit from that I gues
00:19 mtj afaict, the RDA stuff is not actually part of the marc21 spec?
00:20 bgkriegel I think not
00:20 mtj tcohen, yeah… there is a possiblilty people have modified their default fwrk already
00:20 tcohen yes, but shipping new frameworks with Koha wont affect them
00:21 mtj 'updating' that fwrk could break their system :/ so we dont want to do that
00:21 mtj we can just tell people in the release-notes, to do that manually - if they want/need to
00:22 tcohen unless you thought of messing with installed frameworks during upgrade, which you shouldnt
00:22 tcohen exactly
00:23 mtj yep, agreed :)
00:24 * tcohen is heading to raise the amount of time for the "undo" feature gmail has for sent emails
00:24 mtj bgkriegel, yes, i'll email the list  about the RDA question
00:38 mtj tcohen, i have come to realise… the trick is to just not respond
00:38 tcohen its a bug i was born with: i already knew it
00:39 tcohen and answered anyway
00:39 mtj ...if you cant resist the urge - set up a mail-filter to make it impossible for you
00:39 mtj so far, its working for me :)
00:41 mtj if i am really curious, i can still read the thread on the koha mail-archives website - but i cant respond :)
00:41 tcohen hmm, so you cannot be tempted
00:42 mtj yeah… and hey - i have the same bug as you, i think
00:42 mtj …so i patched it  ;)
00:43 tcohen hehe
00:45 tcohen i live in an illusional world where I can convince him by explaining things to him
00:45 tcohen gotta fix that bug, true story
00:45 bgkriegel not a chance
00:48 cjh heh
00:50 tcohen maybe he attends to reno and we beat him
00:51 tcohen the email filter sounds simpler and... well... less violent of course
00:51 mtj fyi: tcohen, im using gmail as my filter - it took me 5 mins to sort
00:51 mtj worked 1st time, too
00:57 mtj heya cjh
00:57 cjh hey mtj :)
01:08 tcohen bye #koha, see u at the pubs tonight, if you happen to be in cordoba :-D
02:40 rangi Mtj: there is already and rda framework on the wiki ppl can just import it using framework import in koha
02:53 mtj yeah, i know that :)
02:54 mtj i've been asked to do some rda stuff, for calyx...
02:55 mtj like updating the xslt stylesheets for the new rda fields, too
02:58 jcamins The new RDA fields are absolutely part of MARC21.
02:58 mtj right… just reading that now ->
02:59 mtj "MARC 21 Updates 9-15 include all changes to MARC for use with RDA approved through June 2012."
02:59 jcamins As for display, add the useful (hahahahahaha!!!!) RDA fields to the default stylesheets with classes.
02:59 jcamins And you might want ot check with ByWater. They did a big press release about how they were providing full RDA support for their clients.
03:00 jcamins Presumably by now "full support" means they actually display them, and they have patches to submit.
03:00 mtj yep, ill do that - for sure
03:02 jcamins Out of curiosity, which fields have people actually found a use for?
03:02 jcamins I guess the new imprint statements that you never see?
03:03 mtj hmm, so with these new update.16 patches - the rda-fwrk files on the wiki will be redundant?
03:03 mtj as update.16 has all the rda fields added already?
03:04 jcamins No, because existing installations will not have their frameworks overwritten.
03:05 mtj hmm,  the wiki's rda files *only* have the new rda fields?
03:06 mtj …to be amended to an existing framework?
03:08 mtj so, the good news is - update.16 contains all current rda fields
03:08 mtj thats a nice discovery
03:09 mtj jcamins, i have noooo idea about any 'usefulness' of any rda fields
03:09 mtj atm, its just a task i've been asked to sort...
03:10 jcamins Right, but presumably there are fields they want displayed?
03:11 mtj umm… yeah :)
03:11 jcamins If the assignment was just "make Koha RDA-compliant," I'd go back and report that you're finished (and request a check;).
03:11 mtj …we havent got to the specifics of that bit yet :)
03:16 mtj yeah, so i'll check with bywater before i start with the xslt stuff
03:17 mtj via an email to the dev list
03:17 jcamins Hey, that reminds me.
03:18 jcamins I was going to set the Koha lists NOMAIL.
03:23 mtj hmm, what is NOMAIL?
03:24 jcamins What it sounds like.
03:25 jcamins You can set it up so you're still subscribed but none of the mail gets sent to you.
03:25 mtj ok, that was my first guess :)
03:25 jcamins Yep. Nothing sneaky.
03:25 * jcamins heads to bed.
03:26 mtj nighty nite jcamins
03:26 mtj …and may your dreams be filled with nozebra support questions
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08:24 cait @wunder konstanz
08:24 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.6°C (10:20 AM CEST on June 02, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
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13:42 cait1 hi #koha
13:42 bgkriegel hi cait1
13:43 cait1 hi bgkriegel :)
13:43 bgkriegel many names :)
13:48 cait1 yeah i think the tablet is still online :)
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19:17 rangi morning
19:18 bgkriegel morning rangi
19:18 bgkriegel still sunday here :)
19:18 rangi :)
19:19 rangi @wunder nzwn
19:19 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on June 03, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
19:19 cait1 morning rangi
20:12 rangi bgkriegel: the new pootle is working well
20:13 cait1 oh did we get an update?
20:13 bgkriegel yes, it seems :)
20:13 bgkriegel cait1: on a test server
20:13 bgkriegel I did a copy to try the update
20:14 cait1 ah, fingers crossed :)
20:14 rangi cait1 is a good tester she is probably the most experienced translator
20:20 * mtj waves to rangi , cait1, bgkriegel
20:20 cait1 hi mtj
20:20 bgkriegel hi mtj
20:20 cait1 rangi: lol, that's widely exaggerated
20:21 jcamins No one would ever want to match more than one or two tags in their indexing, right:[…]9911cb7e1c5#l2065
20:22 jcamins Zebra's DOM filter apparently doesn't support XSLT 2.0 *or* 1.0. Which baffles me.
20:23 cait1 ?
20:23 mtj hey chris, how did atarau's partaay go?
20:24 cait1 jcamins: what am I looking at?
20:25 rangi mtj:[…]and-maui-nukurau/
20:28 mtj seriously wow!
20:28 cait1 very cool
20:31 mtj stuff will want to do follow-up to the initial story
20:37 mtj the fotos are all pretty classic too :D
20:45 jcamins cait1: Zebra does not support substring() in its DOM filters, apparently, so I have a gazillion "or"s strung together.
20:46 cait1 oh
20:52 jcamins As for why I did that, I was adding a search option for medical and non-medical subject headings.
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22:38 * wizzyrea wave
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23:52 wizzyrea holy smokes it's quiet.
23:53 wizzyrea @quote random
23:53 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #132: "<oleonard> nengard: It depends what time zone Jesus uses I think" (added by druthb at 02:07 PM, May 20, 2011)
23:53 wizzyrea @quote random
23:53 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #50: "<pianohackr|work> It is a landmine, I tell you" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:44 PM, December 23, 2009)
23:53 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
23:53 wizzyrea @quote random
23:53 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 04:04 PM, June 03, 2009)
23:53 wizzyrea @quote random
23:53 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #239: "slef: man cannot live by beer alone. But it's fun to try!" (added by wizzyrea at 10:54 AM, April 03, 2013)
23:53 gmcharlt @quote random
23:53 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody else's code that they are currently working on...its like asking someone if you can hold their kid" (added by kf at 01:35 PM, September 15, 2011)
23:53 wizzyrea :D
23:54 wizzyrea @quote random
23:54 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #182: "rangi: chiclet makes me think all you could type on it is bridget jones diary novels" (added by wizzyrea at 07:35 PM, January 25, 2012)
23:54 wizzyrea though I like chiclet keyboards :P
23:54 wizzyrea @quote random
23:54 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 04:04 PM, June 03, 2009)
23:54 bgkriegel @quote random
23:54 huginn` bgkriegel: Quote #104: "<Brooke> not people quoting me *again*" (added by druthb at 01:07 AM, November 17, 2010)
23:54 wizzyrea tee ehe
23:55 wizzyrea @quote random
23:56 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #153: "<rangi> merging code in git doesn't make me angry, I just think back to svn and cvs, and git could punch me in the face and it would still be better" (added by gmcharlt at 07:49 PM, September 13, 2011)
23:58 gmcharlt good thing for rangi that nobody actually got around to implementing the git-invoke-linus command
23:58 jcamins lol
23:58 gmcharlt so, now that Matt Smith has announced his departure... who should be the new Doctor?

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