Time  Nick        Message
23:18 jcamins     Woo! Filter win!
23:17 tweetbot    [off] twitter: @ranginui: "ZOMG #KohaILS people, please stop feeding the troll"
08:14 huginn`     cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 12.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on June 01, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
08:14 cait        @wunder Konstanz
04:42 * druthb    heads for bed!
04:37 druthb      Yes, and yes. :D
04:35 talljoy     then you're an emptynester.  found a choir or dance group in houston yet?
04:33 druthb      Nope; probably be the end of July before all the pieces fall into place.
04:31 talljoy     has the minion moved out yet?
04:29 druthb      That'd be awesome!  Thanks!
04:28 talljoy     i went to an author lunch at TLA (just to see Andrew McCarthy) and she was the other author.  Anyways, i got a signed copy of her book and read it.  Light romance stuff, thought you might enjoy it.  I'd be happy to mail it to ya if you PM me your address.
04:28 druthb      I haven't, no
04:27 talljoy     http://www.susanephillips.com/
04:27 talljoy     hey do you read anything by Susan Phillips?
04:26 druthb      I still have a fair bit of tinkering to do, but it's coming along.
04:25 talljoy     i like the site a lot.  very nice
04:25 talljoy     sigh...that kind of day.  2 migrations in 24 hours. both with nervous nells
04:25 druthb      how do you like the site layout?
04:25 druthb      :)
04:25 talljoy     duh.. i see your NAME in big letters now!!!
04:24 talljoy     is that your pen up there ^^
04:24 druthb      I'm gonna try to get a dozen or so up on the website this weekend.
04:23 talljoy     i will!
04:23 druthb      Plz to give him the link. :D
04:22 talljoy     i have to hide my pen from the young 'un.  he has a pen fetish.  Buys pens with his allowance.  odd!
04:22 talljoy     selling your wares!  cool.
04:21 druthb      Setting up Zen-Cart is a minor pain in the patootie.
04:21 druthb      I figured it was high time I got those online.
04:20 druthb      I've been doing some turning lately, plus I had a few from before I left Maryland.
04:20 druthb      :)
04:20 talljoy     druthb that looks like a pen you made me!
04:15 mtompset    Have a great day.
04:14 mtompset    Better just go to bed.
04:09 mtompset    Is there a way to hide branches from results?
03:57 druthb      woo hoo!   http://transformedwoodworks.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1
03:08 druthb      GT works *okay*, *sometimes* for a single word or short phrase.
03:08 druthb      mhm.
03:07 mtj         s/nicely/badly/
03:04 * druthb    nominates mtj for Chief Teller Of Non-Anglophones That GTranslate Is Right.
03:03 mtj         you can see it translates the hardcoded english MARC21 field descriptions nicely
03:02 mtj         …try the 'korean' option, from the google-trans drop-down
03:01 mtj         [off] here is a nice example -> http://ebc.calyx.net.au/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=65
02:59 mtj         hey ftw, google-translate works really well with koha..
02:59 * mtompset  nods.
02:58 druthb      Obvious, yes, correct--probably...but definitely non-trivial.
02:58 mtj         druthb, i like your idea - it feels like the obvious/correct choice
02:58 mtompset    would we be even able to multilingual-ize them?
02:57 mtompset    Question... what about the error logs?
02:57 druthb      yep, something like that.
02:56 mtompset    Updates done to that db via a po2db script? ;)
02:56 mtompset    Yes, that's more of what I was envisioning, mtj.
02:56 druthb      yes.  At least, for all langs that *that install* wanted to use.
02:55 mtj         in a proper multi-linual koha, we would need to load all syspref strings, for all langs, into the db
02:55 druthb      gnarly, but it'd work.
02:55 druthb      yep.  Basically, the thinking I'd had is to add a field (to already-bloated tables) for "lang"...and then you select with an additional WHERE for the current language.
02:53 mtj         so we would need a way to display the correct syspref strings, for a users language (as an example)
02:53 mtj         yep
02:51 mtj         we still need to sort this, before we can get there
02:51 druthb      Oh, absolutely.  But Frameworks are just *part* of that.  Every piece of text everywhere in the DB that is intended for screen display...
02:51 mtj         … so this problem is still relevant
02:51 mtj         druthb, to get to where we want to be, we still need a way to have up-to-date frameworks for all langs
02:50 mtompset    I haven't tried, so I wouldn't know.
02:50 druthb      *everything* should change.  And it doesn't.  If it's contained in the database, and *not* a syspref description, it's not getting changed, at all.
02:50 wahanui     really is off now
02:50 mtompset    Really?!
02:49 druthb      For instance, if you're in the staff client in English mode, and edit a bib, the labels are in English.  If you change the staff client to, say French--or Klingon--or whatever, then edit a bib, the labels are in....English.
02:49 mtj         well, atm you can only choose 1 framework,  for 1 language
02:48 mtompset    I suppose, I'm not understanding what you mean by truly multilingual, druthb.
02:46 mtompset    Have a good night, jcamins. :)
02:46 * jcamins   wanders off to get some sleep.
02:45 mtompset    jcamins: Glad an American said that. ;)
02:45 jcamins     The problem is is still that the system is about as multi-lingual as an American.
02:44 jcamins     I mean, someone would have to write the string extracting and merging parts for misc/translator/translate, but that's not technically difficult.
02:44 mtj         sorry, when i said 'doing it' , i meant tracking updates to the .sql files
02:44 jcamins     The problem is not translating.
02:43 mtompset    So something like, pull out the strings for the pages from a DB query keyed on and id and language id?
02:43 jcamins     Everyone uses a different script.
02:42 mtompset    There's probably already some sort of script to run to do the building of the packages or a tar.gz.
02:42 druthb      yes.  What I'd *prefer*, though, is the ability for the system to be truly multilingual.  That's going to take some pretty broad DB changes.
02:41 mtompset    Yes, couldn't that vapour-ware script be run as part of the package/tar.gz building?
02:40 mtj         running a single script to build 50 framework files, is a bunch more dynamic that manually doing it
02:39 mtj         yes, perfectly true… but
02:38 mtj         hmm, i think ive finally clicked to how the po stuff works
02:38 mtompset    True enough.
02:38 druthb      plus, that's not very dynamic.
02:38 druthb      adding_more_RM_work--
02:38 druthb      heh.
02:35 mtompset    Just when the ideas were getting interesting. :(
02:34 mtj         hmm, i might leave that chat for another day
02:31 mtj         and then those files would not need to be built before installing, coz the RM did that already
02:30 mtj         or, the RM could build those files when releasing
02:29 druthb      it's pretty gnarly--you'd have to do that *before* you install!
02:29 druthb      Basically.
02:28 mtj         is that how it works?
02:28 mtj         …and then, ?somehow? the translated strings are substituted back into the .sql file
02:27 mtj         … the .sql file needs to have its strings extracted/dumped to another file, for processing?
02:27 mtj         druthb, its not possible to translate a raw .sql file, is it?
02:25 druthb      as it is *right now*, it pretty much only does templates for admin and opac, plus the sys prefs.  Anything in the .pl or sql is untouched.
02:23 mtj         i still dont fully understand the .po process
02:23 druthb      yes.
02:23 mtj         a bit like having a marc21 or unimarc system…. but never-ever an ILS that handles *both* formats
02:22 mtj         yeah, i clicked to that too
02:21 druthb      mtj: That's a problem I've been thinking about some, but don't have any firm answers for.  And the solution would still mean you get *one* language choice, not a true-multi-language system, which irks my sensibilities.
02:20 mtj         hmm, druthb  - any ideas? ^^
02:19 mtj         can anybody think of a clever way to use .po files to translate the marc21.sql files, into various languages?
02:11 talljoy     it's pidgin.  acting flighty tonight
02:11 talljoy     crikey i know.
02:10 * druthb    duct-tapes talljoy to her chair
01:58 mtompset    Greetings, druthb.
01:51 druthb      o/
01:45 mtompset    Greetings, tcohen.
01:41 mtompset    Greetings, #koha.
00:09 * jcamins   shudders.
00:09 jcamins     It was like looking into the abyss... and having it stare back at you.
00:08 jcamins     gmcharlt: sure, but fonts on Linux = guaranteed madness up until recently
00:08 gmcharlt    I wonder why; fontconfig itself is nothing more than a fancy database
00:06 jcamins     gmcharlt: I think maybe those itches turned out to be fatal.
00:04 gmcharlt    I am a little surprised that nobody seems to have ever had an itch that would be scratched by writing a Perl binding for fontconfig
00:00 pianohacker ^ above make really crappy modems/routers
00:00 pianohacker zyxel--
00:00 pianohacker oh right
00:00 huginn`     pianohacker: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
00:00 pianohacker @zyxel--