IRC log for #koha, 2012-11-08

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00:13 cait joined #koha
00:15 cait :)
00:17 cait noone here? :)
00:17 * jcamins is.
00:20 cait hi jcamins :)
00:20 jcamins Hello.
00:21 rangi hi cait
00:21 cait hi rangi :)
00:22 eythian hi
00:22 wahanui hey, eythian
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00:40 jcamins tcohen: BTW, thanks for the hint about TexLive 2012.
00:40 tcohen u r welcome
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02:49 rangi atz++
02:54 eythian I assume you're aiming for +++ATH0
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02:58 bag oh what did atz do now?
02:59 rangi good answer on the sec4lib mailing list
02:59 bag ahh not on it
02:59 bag sec4lib?  sounds rough no?
03:00 rangi security .. its really low traffic
03:00 bag right rough
03:01 rangi :)
03:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #223 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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03:46 rangi bug 9027
03:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9027 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , How to do proper setting for cataloging module?
03:46 rangi vaguest bug ever
03:49 eythian I think they're really after the manual perhaps.
03:49 rangi yeah
03:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #223: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/223/
03:52 jenkins_koha * 7805 Exposing the new list permissions in opac and staff
03:52 jenkins_koha * 7805 Followup for perlcritic messages
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04:43 bag marc 710?
04:43 bag @marc 710
04:43 huginn bag: An added entry in which the entry element is a corporate name. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,k,l,m,n,o,p,r,s,t,u,x,3,4,5,6,8]
04:43 bag @marc indictors 710
04:43 huginn bag: unknown field/subfield combination (indictors/710)
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05:01 Manderson Pardon my ignorance, but if a bibliographic record gets stuck in the 'reservoir', how do I get it out and in to the catalog?
05:02 eythian when cataloguing, you can search the reservoir I think.
05:03 eythian So you catalogue based on that record, and when you save it, it'll be in the catalogue.
05:03 eythian Alternately, if it's there as part of a staged MARC file, you can import it through the interface for sorting that stuff
05:03 eythian (which is under "Tools")
05:16 mtj sheesh, i just spotted a tweet from liblime about a solr commit they've pushed, 60 days ago...
05:16 mtj [solr-squash e54b8e3] Replace Zebra/YAZ with Solr
05:16 mtj 140 files changed, 11247 insertions(+), 15250 deletions(-)
05:17 mtj … yet their repo is 7 months old? ->
05:21 BobB hi
05:21 BobB does anyone know if the en-nz translation is actively maintained?
05:22 BobB I just applied it to a 3.8.6 koha and there's still use of terms like check-in and check-out, and catalogue has lost is ue
05:22 mtj BobB, afaik, it is
05:23 BobB thx mtj, some clients are keen to switch
05:24 mtj im not sure which kiwi has been maintaining the file, chris/robin will prolly know
05:24 rangi Hmm?
05:24 BobB I should find out how to contribute to that .... need longer days.  :(
05:25 rangi What would I know?
05:25 BobB aww go on
05:25 rangi (no scroll back on this phone)
05:25 BobB I just asked if the en-nz translation in 3.8.6 is complete?
05:25 mtj whos been recently contributing/maintaining the NZ po files , for koha
05:25 BobB It doesn't look like it
05:26 rangi Ahh
05:26 rangi Me
05:26 rangi Yep
05:26 rangi The release notes should tell you :)
05:26 mtj Koha 3.8 Complete845172012-10-17 12:30 (chrisc)
05:27 mtj
05:27 BobB Me?  Look up the release notes?  :)
05:27 BobB There's still some check-ins and check-outs, its seems
05:29 BobB hang on, I just tested again and didn't see it.  Might get back to you on this one.
05:30 bag mtj?
05:30 wahanui i heard mtj was a danger to bots everywhere.
05:31 bag darn - but anyways heya mason and hey Bob
05:33 mtj hay bag, hows the ginny going?
05:33 bag Awesome!!! thanks for asking
05:34 BobB hi bag
05:34 mtj she keepin' you on your toes :)
05:34 bag she's a big time smiler and giggler
05:35 BobB did she vote for Obama?
05:35 bag She was wearing a "powered by Koha" onesie the other day :)  (the staff got us that one ;) )
05:35 BobB very cool
05:39 mtj ginny++
05:40 bag yup ginny++
05:50 BobB rangi the en-nz translation looks great, thank you
05:51 rangi Sweet
06:36 * magnuse waves
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06:41 rangi hey wizzyrea
06:41 wahanui i think wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans.
06:41 magnuse kia ora wizzyrea
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06:46 rangi wb wizzyrea
06:46 wizzyrea ty hi
06:46 rangi hey magnuse howd your conf go?
06:46 magnuse good!
06:46 magnuse lots of positive response
06:46 rangi i saw a blog post, it looked like people enjoyed it
06:46 rangi excellent
06:47 magnuse no definitive new customers yet of course, but i keep my fingers crossed
06:47 magnuse cait did a great job talking about koha worldwide of course
06:47 rangi excellent :)
06:48 magnuse and i was reminded that i never really figured out how to use authorities with normarc in koha...
06:49 magnuse which was kind of bad, 'cause oslo public library was really wondering about that...
06:49 rangi ahhh
06:49 rangi jcamins probably can help with that
06:49 magnuse yeah, that was my first thought too :-)
06:50 magnuse normarc does not have a "framework" for authorities, so i'm thinking i have to steal the one from marc21 and see if that works
06:51 rangi yeah
06:51 magnuse i guess you saw this?[…]teksystemet-koha/ - published at the end of the day by one of the attendees. yay!
06:51 rangi sounds like a plan
06:51 rangi yep good write up
06:51 magnuse yeah, very cool
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06:52 francharb hi
06:52 magnuse hiya francharb and drojf
06:53 francharb 0/ magnuse
06:53 magnuse \o
06:53 rangi heya francharb and drojf
06:53 drojf hi magnuse and francharb
06:54 francharb 0/ rangi  drojf
06:54 drojf europe's up early ;)
06:54 francharb \0/
06:56 magnuse cait and i also got a guided tour of - by the guy who created their it infrastructure
06:56 magnuse everything in the mueseum is controlled and fed by semantic data in a triplestore - send the system the right message and all the displays in the whole museum can be changed
06:56 magnuse very impressive!
06:57 drojf cool
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07:03 rangi cool!
07:35 magnuse yay!
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07:35 reiveune hello
07:35 magnuse hiya reiveune
07:36 reiveune salut magnuse :)
07:36 * magnuse tries to think of a book that every library in the nexpress catalogue would have
07:37 rangi twilight probably
07:37 rangi or harry potter
07:37 magnuse ah, of course
07:38 magnuse thanks rangi - and sily me for not thinking of harry potter!
07:39 magnuse yeah, twilight had some perfect examples
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08:04 alex_a_ bonjour
08:05 wizzyrea 50 shades of grey :P
08:05 rangi hey alex_a_
08:06 alex_a_ salut rangi
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08:12 lds Hello
08:13 rangi hi lds and matts
08:13 wizzyrea magnuse: also john grisham
08:14 wizzyrea or evanovich
08:15 matts hi !
08:16 lds hi rangi !!
08:18 magnuse wizzyrea: thanks, twilight worked nicely
08:18 wizzyrea good stuff :)
08:20 magnuse is there a way to not show the names of all the libraries that have the book in the results list?
08:20 magnuse just show "15 copies available" or something?
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08:30 magnuse nah, doesn't look like it is possible at the moment, but that it should be an easy enh
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08:31 magnuse kia ora trea!
08:31 trea kia ora magnuse!
08:31 magnuse yay!
08:31 magnuse how's life in the antipodes?
08:32 trea good, good. just taking it easy
08:33 magnuse nice
08:49 magnuse @later tell cait: looks like my permissions for nb-NO 3.10 are still not quite right
08:49 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
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09:03 paul_p hi trea !
09:04 trea hi paul_p!
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09:07 paul_p trea = so all the family will work on Koha all around the world ? do you have a boy, a sister, an uncle or a grand-ma we could hire at BibLibre ? So we could say "Rea rulez them all" :D :D
09:07 trea well, my mom is retired and looking for a hobby
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09:07 trea perhaps we can convince her to come to france
09:07 trea :D
09:08 * cait waves
09:08 * trea waves to cait
09:08 cait :)
09:09 wizzyrea lol paul_p
09:10 paul_p hi cait & wizzyrea
09:10 wizzyrea also hi cait :)
09:10 cait hi wizzyrea and paul_p
09:10 wizzyrea good morning :)
09:11 bag and I'm going to bed - night all :)  have an excellent day
09:11 trea hey night bag
09:12 rangi hi cait
09:12 cait night bag
09:12 cait hi rangi :)
09:19 magnuse hiya cait - made it home all right?
09:21 cait yep
09:21 cait no problems
09:22 cait only a little delay from berlin to stuttgart
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09:24 magnuse yay
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10:30 vfernandes hi guys :)
10:32 vfernandes anyone had sucessfully updated a koha 2.2.X to 3.8?
10:32 vfernandes which could be the best way?
10:42 slef vfernandes: export catalogue, import again
10:44 vfernandes the client wants to mantain the circulation history
10:45 vfernandes so a new migration is the last option...
10:46 vfernandes if I install the 3.0 the database isn't updated?
10:46 slef could see how much the history tables have changed but I suspect at least you'd want to step via 3.0, then to 3.8 running the special 3.4 item-splitter.
10:47 vfernandes
10:47 vfernandes i'm seeing this page to update 2.2 to 3.0
10:47 vfernandes then I've to update to 3.8
10:48 vfernandes It will be a hard proccess
10:54 vfernandes thanks slef
10:55 slef vfernandes: no worries. Good luck!
10:56 vfernandes i'll need it eheheh
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12:37 chris_n heya paul_p
13:12 libsysguy geez koha looks bad when the javascript is turned off
13:16 paul_p hi chris_n (&others)
13:16 paul_p chris_n i've other patches for release tools ;-)
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13:17 paul_p does someone know a perl library to store permanently the content of a variable on the disk & recover it quickly ?
13:19 paul_p Storable...
13:19 wahanui hmmm... storable is yellow and Graphics::Magick
13:24 magnuse paul_p: use YAML?
13:24 libsysguy storable serializes the variable
13:24 libsysguy err object
13:24 paul_p magnuse = Storable is what I need
13:24 magnuse okelydokely :-)
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13:27 oleonard Hi #koha
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13:29 libsysguy oleonard! I was just thinking about you
13:29 oleonard Aw, that's very sweet
13:29 libsysguy heh
13:29 libsysguy indeed it is
13:29 libsysguy sweet sprinkled with javascript
13:30 libsysguy I was uisng HTTP::Recorder and HTTP::Proxy to autogen WWW::Mechanize scripts but it disables javascript
13:30 paul_p good morning oleonard ( oleonard from OH, the US state we speak once every four years in France ;-) )
13:30 libsysguy and it is hard to navigate
13:31 libsysguy its not just france paul_p
13:31 paul_p libsysguy = probably, but I just listen french news ;-)
13:32 libsysguy spoken like a true frenchman :p
13:35 paul_p libsysguy :p :p
13:36 paul_p libsysguy is "I only listen french news" better ?
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13:38 libsysguy heh paul_p I just have this image of a tall slender guy smoking a cig at all times as you
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13:39 paul_p libsysguy me smoking a cig ? definetely not me !!!!
13:39 oleonard He got the tall part at least :)
13:39 libsysguy hehe I just assumed all french men smoked ;)
13:40 oleonard chris_n around?
13:41 oleonard @later tell chris_n Could you take a look at Bug 9017? Not sure what the best solution is.
13:41 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded.
13:43 oleonard The description of Bug 9029 sounds like the behavior I would expect
13:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9029 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , location switches under certain time-out conditions
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14:05 chris_n paul_p: patches pushed
14:05 chris_n oleonard: looking
14:06 paul_p chris_n = new ones coming soon :D
14:06 chris_n cool
14:06 chris_n full-automation++
14:14 chris_n oleonard: iirc the extension imposed some limitations on DT which I could not work around
14:15 chris_n I'll look at it a bit more once I get my dev foo back up and working today
14:15 oleonard If you think mveron's solution is the best one, please add a comment and remove "failed qa" (or sign off). I just hoped we could do it the "right" way
14:15 chris_n k
14:16 chris_n I attempted to ensure translation would work, so we should be able to fix it one way or another
14:17 jcamins_away paul_p++
14:26 jcamins paul_p: around?
14:27 paul_p jcamins yep
14:27 jcamins paul_p: there was a reason for the -s in the T::T tags.
14:27 jcamins They remove excess whitespace.
14:28 paul_p really ? unknown feature from me ! how does it work ?
14:28 paul_p (because sometimes it's at the beginning, sometimes at the end)
14:28 jcamins [%- removes excess whitespace before the tag.
14:28 jcamins -%] removes excess whitespace after the tag.
14:29 paul_p OK, i'll reintroduce them quickly
14:29 jcamins If you want I can do that.
14:29 chris_n so do we need a test suite for the release tools? ;-)
14:30 jcamins I have some additional patches to push to my script.
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14:30 fudm Good day House
14:31 fudm Am Olumide a system adminsitrator in a Nigerian Institution
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14:31 oleonard Hi fudm
14:31 fudm we just installed Koha for use as an E-library tool
14:32 fudm Hi oleonard
14:32 fudm We are presently having challenges with the indexing
14:33 fudm indexing i mean client having access to catalogued items
14:33 fudm Installation was successful and we have cataloged some few items
14:34 fudm any advice on way out
14:34 jcamins paul_p: I will add the missing '-'s, since I have push access.
14:34 jcamins And we can ask gmcharlt to give you push access to release-tools later.
14:34 jcamins faq?
14:34 wahanui i think faq is found at
14:35 jcamins fudm: ^^ the FAQ has troubleshooting information.
14:35 jcamins second question?
14:35 wahanui rumour has it second question is "What is the exact error message?"
14:35 fudm oleanard: read somethings about Zebra indexing, which i followed the instructions while installing Koha
14:35 jcamins No, not that question.
14:35 jcamins Third question?
14:35 wahanui it has been said that Third question is "What version of Koha are you using?"[…]ion-koha-running/
14:35 jcamins That question.
14:35 jcamins :)
14:35 fudm but still same error
14:35 fudm No results match your search for 'kw,wrdl: chemistry' in Federal University,Dutsin-ma.Library Catalog.
14:36 jcamins Yeah, I didn't mean to ask the second question. I wanted the third question.
14:36 fudm anyone helping out please
14:37 jcamins fudm: what version of Koha are you using?
14:37 jcamins I also pointed you to a FAQ.
14:37 fudm am using 3.08.06 on Ubuntu 11.10
14:37 jcamins How did you install Koha?
14:39 chris_n paul_p: you should be able to push to the release tool repo now
14:39 jcamins paul_p: I can still add the missing '-'s since I already started on it.
14:40 chris_n we'll just have to be careful that we don't have a git collision :-)
14:41 jcamins Right.
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14:42 * chris_n wonders if we should be doing pulls and pushes rather than rebase with that repo
14:43 jcamins chris_n: yes, except for when we forget to push patches, in which case we need to rebase our local changes on master.
14:43 chris_n right
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14:44 fudm i lost connection
14:45 jcamins fudm: how did you install Koha? Packages?
14:46 paul_p jcamins = probable git collision. please wait until I push my current patch
14:46 fudm :jcamins: I installed all over the internet
14:46 fudm :jcamins: i followed instructions found on koha wiki site
14:46 jcamins fudm: which instructions?
14:47 jcamins paul_p: okay, let me know when you've done that.
14:47 fudm :jcamins: installing Koha on Ubuntu 11.10
14:47 paul_p does someone know how to / what define the terminal width ?
14:48 fudm :jcamins:[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
14:48 paul_p my script retrieve bugzilla comments in 80 char size, that's not what I'm expecting...
14:48 jcamins paul_p: I do not, sorry.
14:49 jcamins fudm: did you use packages or tarball?
14:49 fudm :jcamins: packages
14:49 wahanui well, packages is at
14:50 paul_p and the answer is = stty cols 80
14:50 fudm :jcamins:packages i assume! i dont know the diff between packages and tarball
14:50 jcamins fudm: did you download a file called "koha-3.08.06.tar.gz"?
14:51 jcamins If you did, you used the tarball.
14:51 fudm :jcamins:yes i downloaded that
14:51 jcamins That's unfortunate.
14:51 jcamins You need to set up your cron jobs.
14:52 jcamins And make sure you've started Zebra.
14:52 fudm :jcamins: i got the tar.gz file using "wget http://download.koha-community[…]oha-latest.tar.gz"
14:52 jcamins Did you work your way through the FAQ on this problemt hat I sent you?
14:52 jcamins Yeah, definitely tarball.
14:53 fudm :jcamins: sorry, was the faq for me?
14:53 jcamins Yes.
14:53 jcamins faq?
14:53 wahanui faq is found at
14:53 jcamins The very last question addresses this.
14:53 fudm :jcamins: i followed this to create a cron job during koha installation "5 - Setup Zebra Server to Automatically Start on Boot Up   $ sudo ln -s /usr/share/koha/bin/ /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon $ sudo update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults $ sudo /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start"
14:53 jcamins That has nothing to do with cron.
14:54 jcamins That's setting up Zebra to run when the system starts.
14:54 jcamins Which is also important.
14:54 wahanui okay, jcamins.
14:54 jcamins which?
14:54 wahanui i guess which is important.
14:54 jcamins wahanui: forget which
14:54 wahanui jcamins: I forgot which
14:54 oleonard wahanui: Who is on first
14:54 wahanui no idea, oleonard
14:54 fudm :jcamins: ok, so how do i go about the cron job
14:54 oleonard dang
14:54 jcamins wahanui: \Who \is on first is I don't know.
14:54 wahanui OK, jcamins.
14:54 jcamins who is on first?
14:55 jcamins who is on first
14:55 jcamins Who is on first
14:55 jcamins Oh well.
14:55 fudm :jcamins: the cron job; how do i go about it pls
14:55 jcamins fudm: you do understand that I'm doing this for free, right?
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14:56 fudm :jcamins:yes i do, i really appreciate the assistance
14:56 jcamins Okay. Patience is appreciated when you are receiving gratis help.
14:57 fudm :jcamins: Ok
14:57 Manderson Hi all - I am still trying to figure out how to get bib items into my catalog. They get stuck in the reservoir, and seem to stay there. Any ideas?
14:57 jcamins fudm: the first thing to do is start Zebra: `sudo service koha-zebra-daemon start`
14:57 jcamins Then, you'll rebuild Zebra as described in the FAQ.
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14:58 fudm :jcamins: ok
14:59 fudm :jcamins: i just started the zebra service
15:00 jcamins So now you're going to set your PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF variables and run -b -a -r -v
15:01 jcamins I'm not 100
15:01 jcamins % sure where that script is, but you can find it.
15:02 fudm :jcamins: how pls
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15:02 fudm :jcamins: using this "export PERL5LIB=/path/to/your/koha/"
15:02 jcamins Right.
15:02 jcamins Changing the path to where Koha is installed.
15:03 jcamins And `export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha_conf.xml`
15:03 fudm :jcamins: am presently searching for the PERL5LIB
15:04 jcamins You'll find all this in the instructions, too.
15:04 fudm :jcamins: ok, let me follow the instructions then revert back to you
15:05 jcamins I believe it is `export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha`
15:06 fudm :jcamins: am i just to "run export PERL5LIB=/usr/kohalocation" from the terminal(cmd lin)
15:06 jcamins Right.
15:11 fudm :jcamins:ok, i ran the instructions but i cant see any response
15:11 jcamins Including rebuild_zebra?
15:11 fudm :jcamins: ok, i ran the instructions but i cant see any response
15:11 jcamins The export commands do not give any output.
15:12 fudm ok
15:12 fudm :jcamins: ok
15:12 jcamins You don't need to preface my nick to every statement. Since we're the only ones talking, I'll be able to follow.
15:12 fudm ok
15:13 fudm am i to run this export KOHA_.... from the unzipped koha3.0806 folder?
15:13 jcamins BTW, for those who were concerned, the snow was not nearly as bad as I was anticipating. Just a couple of inches at most.
15:13 jcamins It doesn't matter what folder you run it from.
15:14 jcamins However, you should be using the folders where Koha was installed, not the folder where you unzipped Koha.
15:15 fudm ok, that is the "usr/share/koha" right?
15:16 jcamins I think so.
15:16 jcamins I don't use the tarball for installing.
15:17 gmcharlt @quote random
15:17 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #29: "< CGI634> kill self now avoid slow cataloging death" (added by chris at 09:32 PM, September 02, 2009)
15:17 slef hey don't kill me!
15:21 magnuse hm, was it a typo or wasn't it a typo?
15:22 mtj you know what our problem is?
15:22 mtj this page should aggressively recommend using the koha packages for beginner installs ->
15:23 mtj … its the first mistake, that n00bs make, when installing koha
15:23 jcamins mtj: agreed.
15:23 magnuse +1
15:26 mtj i suggest a hottt-pink flashing marquee bold italic banner '---===use the packages====---', and a midi tune of super-mario theme music
15:26 jcamins lol
15:26 jcamins I suggest that if you do that I will sick the Reas on you.
15:26 jcamins And they are all very, very tall so you don't want that.
15:27 mtj ^^ ill ask liz about it, next time i see her
15:28 jcamins Oh, I think I can edit
15:28 jcamins If you'd like to e-mail the lists to make sure people agree?
15:29 mtj *and* that very same suggestion on ->, too
15:30 mtj jcamins, yep - will do
15:30 slef careful not to alienate the non-debs
15:30 jcamins I think it's more important on, actually.
15:30 slef also should promote the livecd for newbies too
15:30 jcamins slef: first there needs to be a new LiveCD.
15:31 oleonard <crickets>
15:31 jcamins Right now the most up-to-date LiveCD is... not new.
15:31 mtj and google-groups - to share our stories...
15:31 slef jcamins: nah, olderversions are ok for first tries IMO
15:31 * slef goes to get mtj's leg bone
15:31 jcamins slef: I disagree. There is no upgrade path from them.
15:32 slef jcamins: so write that there.  "Try this out. Don't use it for real sites." or something
15:32 slef "real sites because the upgrade path is not good/there"
15:32 jcamins That's the plan, and the reason we have a LiveCD manager.
15:32 slef JFDI
15:32 * jcamins isn't creating a livecd.
15:33 slef It's already there, people already use them, let's at least tell them the score.
15:33 jcamins And I'm not encouraging anyone to use a misconfigured version of Koha that's six months old.
15:33 jcamins *I* am the one who is on #koha when they show up and ask why it's broken who is dumb enough to try to help.
15:35 jcamins Regarding non-Debian distros, I think a note like "If you are using a deb-based distro (for example, Debian or Ubuntu), you are strongly encouraged to use the packages for production installations, since the packages automatically handle a lot of the inconvenient configuration."
15:36 slef that's ok
15:37 mtj i think we all want less n00bs having koha problems, caused by bad install decisions
15:37 mtj … that we then have to help fix :/
15:39 mtj theres much good info about install stuff on the wiki, but many people never even get that far - it seems…
15:39 jcamins @later tell rangi I think awstats on is misconfigured. One unique visitor per month since June seems improbable.
15:39 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
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15:40 caser Good morning/afternoon/evening everyone!
15:41 mtj … i think if we just improve the info on '' & '', we can fix that
15:41 oleonard Hi caser
15:41 jcamins mtj: and remove links from the wiki directly to tarball files?
15:42 jcamins (I'm not sure if there are any)
15:42 jcamins Manderson: in answer to your question much earlier, when you save a record it should go into the catalog. Most likely the problem is that you don't have the rebuild_zebra cronjobs running.
15:43 mtj jcamins, nor me, either
15:43 mtj hey caser
15:45 caser We recently used a script to delete records without items, and while the records are indeed no longer existent, they are still showing up in search results in the OPAC.  When you try to pull up the record from the search results, you get an error message.
15:45 magnuse jcamins or anyone else know a handy set of marc21 authority records for testing?
15:45 oleonard Where are the "installing Koha on Ubuntu 11.10" instructions fudm referred to?
15:46 caser Anyone know why/how the title is still coming up in the search result, even though the record has been deleted?
15:46 jcamins oleonard: see Koha_on_Ubuntu on the wiki.
15:46 jcamins caser: yes, you need to rebuild your indexes.
15:46 magnuse oleonard:[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
15:46 jcamins Run ` -b -a -r -v`
15:46 * oleonard replaces jcamins with a bot that replies "rebuild your indexes"
15:46 jcamins help?
15:46 wahanui i think help is at if no-one here can help.
15:46 jcamins Humbug.
15:46 jcamins problem?
15:47 wahanui i heard problem was its human beings doing it or that grub was nudged to the emergency holographic shell
15:47 jcamins forget problem
15:47 wahanui jcamins: I forgot problem
15:47 jcamins Problem was it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
15:47 magnuse excuse?
15:47 wahanui magnuse: Just pick up the phone and give modem connect sounds. "Well you said we should get more lines so we don't have voice lines."
15:47 jcamins Problem?
15:47 jcamins Problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
15:47 jcamins problem?
15:47 wahanui problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild my indexes.
15:47 jcamins Hm.
15:47 jcamins forget problem
15:47 wahanui jcamins: I forgot problem
15:47 jcamins Problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild \your indexes.
15:47 jcamins problem?
15:47 wahanui problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
15:47 jcamins There we go.
15:48 oleonard the "Koha_on_Ubuntu" page doesn't have installation instructions, and recommends using packages.
15:49 jcamins oleonard: oh, good.
15:49 jcamins I thought those were the super-long Ubuntu tarball instructions.
15:51 jcamins Since fudm is using Ubuntu 11.10, presumably s/he started the installation ages ago, though.
15:57 magnuse book title of the day: "MARC21 for everyone : a practical guide"
15:57 jcamins lol
15:58 jcamins magnuse: oh, yeah, authority records.
15:58 magnuse only if you know about any handy ones floating around...
15:58 jcamins I just sent to someone.
15:58 magnuse yay!
15:59 jcamins I just have to find them.
16:00 magnuse anyone tried importing MeSH records into koha?
16:00 jcamins No, but I've thought about it.
16:00 oleonard My staff is perpetually annoyed *and* surprised that the OPAC doesn't enforce hold limits
16:00 oleonard The annoyed part I understand. The surprised part? Really, still?
16:01 magnuse hehe
16:01 jcamins magnuse: I'll look for it after some breakfast.
16:02 * magnuse realized during the "get to know koha" day yesterday that authorities and normarc was something he put off until later and then forgot about...
16:03 oleonard But honestly, we should hide the holds limit settings from circ rules until they're fixed. They're not enforced!
16:09 caser jcamins Thanks, I'm looking into the rebuild.
16:10 caser Is a special circumstance due to the mass deletion or should we be doing rebuild regularly by cron?
16:11 jcamins Mass deletion.
16:12 oleonard jcamins: Because the regular cron update doesn't catch them?
16:13 jcamins Right.
16:15 caser Thank you!
16:21 caser So, from the comment "oleonard replaces jcamins with a bot that replies "rebuild your indexes"" shall I assume that this is the equivalent of "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
16:22 jcamins Pretty much.
16:23 paul_p jcamins (& chris_n ) = 2 new patches pushed on release-tools
16:23 jcamins paul_p: thanks.
16:23 jcamins I'll push my additional patches now.
16:23 caser got it.
16:23 paul_p jcamins perfect
16:24 reiveune bye
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16:24 jcamins Well, once I fix the spacing in the credits section.
16:28 chris_n paul_p++
16:29 * cait waves
16:30 jcamins Hm. And we should use the mapping file that git-stats uses.
16:30 jcamins For companies.
16:30 oleonard Hi cait
16:30 oleonard Still in Norway?
16:30 cait nope
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16:31 cait came back late last night
16:31 cait my dad picked me up, still staying with my family
16:31 chris_n jcamins: true
16:34 jcamins Okay, pushed my changes.
16:34 jcamins I'll see if I can figure out how to do the mapping.
16:34 jcamins paul_p: looks like the lists are working again.
16:35 jcamins Alas, gitdm is written in Python.
16:35 paul_p jcamins yes, it seems http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/038419.html (except I don't get the email myself...)
16:36 paul_p we faced some problems with it because of our VPN & some internal DNS wrongly resolved (at least that's what I understood...)
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16:39 jcamins Humbug. I don't want to figure out how to read the domain map.
16:39 caser jcamins Thanks for the help!
16:39 caser Bye
16:41 maximep spent all my morning fixing effects of bug 8253 when I updated to 3.8. How did I miss this bug :/
16:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8253 critical, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , fix fine doubling, when upgrading from 3.6 to 3.8 (or later)
16:42 maximep and the patches don't exactly work for me :/
16:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #10 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:44 cait1 maximep:  :(
16:44 cait1 maybe you can find the right fix?
16:44 cait1 the bug looks like a bit of a never ending story :(
16:45 maximep pretty crazy that it took 7 minor releases to fix :S
16:47 maximep ah, the fixes don't work because of a local change. It seems we use the closing hour in date_due instead of 23:59. Not sure why we did that haha
16:47 jcamins maximep: because that's the logical time for books to be due.
16:47 jcamins libsysguy is working on making that work generally.
16:48 jcamins If you've already gotten it working, though, a patch would be welcomed.
16:50 maximep I actually don't remember anything about what I did on that stuff haha
16:50 maximep I have the worst memory :/
16:52 libsysguy that is why you commit early, commit often, and comment
16:53 libsysguy the 3 C's of programming
16:53 libsysguy :p
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16:53 maximep haha that I do
16:53 maximep I know my lack of memory =)
16:54 tcohen so, liblime announced the availability of a Solr version of its Koha fork
16:55 jcamins Yup.
16:55 jcamins Kind of limited in terms of search options.
16:57 cait1 and it's not on their repo yet
16:57 cait1 and no release notes
16:57 cait1 it seems
16:57 cait1 or I didn#t find it
16:57 cait1 the download is still 4.10
16:58 jcamins cait1: I'd be shocked if they released it.
16:58 cait1 well, you never know what shocking thing they plan next
16:58 jcamins Granted. But the code for 4.12 was never made available.
16:59 cait1 their press release is quite silent aobut that little fact
17:00 oleonard ...and of course doesn't mention open source except in their boilerplate "about liblime" paragraph
17:01 oleonard ...where I would quibble with the truth of their "global leader" assertion.
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17:04 cait1 yeah
17:24 * chris_n finds it interesting that the koha_on_ubuntu_-_git wiki page does not mention installing zebra
17:24 chris_n or else I have missed it
17:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #10: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/10/
17:24 jenkins_koha tomascohen: Bug 9001: Remove Zebraqueue_daemon
17:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9001 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , zebraqueue_daemon is deprecated and must go
17:24 oleonard Which page chris_n?
17:24 jcamins chris_n: that's quite possible.
17:24 chris_n[…]a_on_ubuntu_-_git
17:25 chris_n just a small oversight ;-)
17:25 oleonard Is that the humongous guide you were thinking of jcamins?
17:26 jcamins oleonard: no, there was one for tarball installs.
17:27 chris_n hmm... the INSTALL files seem to miss that point too
17:27 jcamins paul_p: I updated to use the domain map.
17:27 chris_n I thought for sure that was in there somewhere in the past
17:28 jcamins It was.
17:28 chris_n here it is:[…]nd_Zebra_packages
17:28 chris_n but it sure has disappeared from several other places
17:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #934 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:44 tcohen chris_n, whats the problem with the docs? (sorry, arrived late=
17:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8784' into 3.12-master <[…]ab0cac9d86395cf35> / Bug 8784 - Missing files in debian.packages list <[…]a31d644562cfea532> / Bug 8805 - Add a biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl for NORMARC <[…]git;a=commitdiff;
17:49 * jcamins heads into the city, having pushed a couple things to master.
17:56 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9005' into 3.12-master <[…]16cdb1d6dd59d5ce7> / Bug 8919 - ExtendedPatronAttributes not populated from LDAP <[…]e3f51855575a01759> / Bug 9005: Allow user to disable syspref cache <[…].git;a=commitdiff
17:57 chris_n tcohen: many of them seem to be missing zebra install sections (for those using git or tarball)
17:58 tcohen on ubuntu instructions it is implied by the use of dpkg --set-selections
17:58 tcohen and the fact that idzebra is official in universe repos (which is a default)
17:58 chris_n ahh, I missed that
17:58 tcohen i'm sure on debian is the same
18:00 tcohen we only need to push bug 8519 and remove any reference to zebra weird indexing stuff on the instructions
18:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8519 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Make koha-index-daemon run on startup
18:00 tcohen (just the symlinks :-P)
18:10 chris_n weirdness: #     Error:  Can't locate in @INC (@INC contains: /home/cnighswonger/Repositories/koha.3.2.labels/ /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .)
18:10 chris_n yet: /usr/lib/perl5/
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18:30 rangi Morning
18:30 wahanui Morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast
18:32 rangi Yep stats is looking at apache logs, download has nginx in front serving the actual files, apache is just doing the page itself
18:33 rangi So its all the same ip to apache and it's not counting the downloads themselves anyway
18:37 cait1 good morning rangi :)
18:40 rangi I dunno if awstats understands nginx logs ill try and see
18:48 mtj morning #koha, hiya rangi
18:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #934: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/934/
18:51 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 8805 - Add a biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl for NORMARC
18:51 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8784 - Missing files in debian.packages list
18:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8805 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Add a biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl for NORMARC
18:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8784 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Missing files in debian.packages list
18:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #935 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:53 jcamins_away rangi: okay, that makes sense.
18:53 jcamins_away Maybe we should stick a note on that says "this does not include downloads" or something.
18:54 rangi I'll see if I can get it using the nginx logs first
18:54 jcamins_away Thanks.
18:55 rangi If I can't I'd rather remove it than put a note I think
19:04 tcohen farewell zebraqueue-daemon
19:04 jcamins_away tcohen: yay! :)
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19:11 oleonard jcamins_away: Is bug 8484 a non-starter at this point for you? Or did bag's comment change your mind?
19:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8484 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to choose if lost items are removed from a borrowers record.
19:12 jcamins_away If the patch doesn't remove any functionality, I'm comfortable with it.
19:12 * oleonard will test in that case.
19:13 jcamins_away (where "functionality" includes "consistency")
19:14 oleonard ...Although I don't understand how the process works for libraries that want this. The item is made lost, the patron pays for it, and then... The items stays on their card forever? The item is manually checked in later?
19:17 oleonard Hm, if I just paid that fine why does it still show up on the patron's screen?
19:20 oleonard melia++ # for patch-testing!
19:21 melia thanks!  yours are easy to test, oleonard. you write great test plans :)
19:22 oleonard I've been trying hard to do so, since it gives me more latitude to demand them from others ;)
19:30 rangi back
19:31 oleonard I need a sanity check. I'm marking an checked-out item lost, paying the fine, and finding that Koha still thinks the patron owes the fine. Can someone else try it?
19:33 rangi eew regression
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19:54 chris_n should 'prove t' result in failed tests due to non-mandatory packages *not* being installed?
19:54 jcamins_away No.
19:54 jcamins_away All packages required for tests in t/ should be required, period.
19:55 pastebot "chris_n" at pasted "cnighswonger@cnighswonger-dt:~" (17 lines) at
19:55 rangi yep
19:55 chris_n so memcached foo is not required, right?
19:56 rangi in that case i think 00-load.t
19:56 rangi should not be testing Koha::Cache::Memcached
19:56 jcamins_away It shouldn't be. We shoudl adjust 00-load.
19:56 rangi because that is definitely optional
19:56 jcamins_away 00-load should not be testing Koha::Cache::*
19:56 rangi yeah
19:56 pastebot "chris_n" at pasted "cnighswonger@cnighswonger-dt:~" (14 lines) at
19:57 chris_n so bug?
19:57 rangi yep
19:57 rangi if you look at t/00-load.t
19:57 rangi you will see it's a simple fix
19:58 * chris_n wonders why jenkins has not caught it?
19:58 rangi it has all modules installed
19:58 rangi cos it runs all the tests
19:58 rangi not just t/
19:58 jcamins_away And the packages install all recommended packages, too.
19:59 chris_n it might be nice to have tests of a default install or require all recommended packages
19:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #935: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/935/
19:59 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 9005: Allow user to disable syspref cache
19:59 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 8919 - ExtendedPatronAttributes not populated from LDAP
19:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9005 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Changing sysprefs requires restart under Plack
19:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8919 critical, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , ExtendedPatronAttributes not populated from LDAP
20:00 chris_n I'll fix the test
20:02 jcamins_away Thanks.
20:02 jcamins_away If we had an automated way to get a list of only required packages, I could easily add it to my build test.
20:03 jcamins_away But koha_perl_deps gives me only the names of the modules.
20:04 chris_n I'm sure package names could be easily added
20:04 chris_n it's just a hash iirc
20:04 jcamins_away Ooh.
20:04 jcamins_away That's an intriguing idea.
20:05 chris_n resurrecting a repo and dev install is not for the faint of heart :P
20:05 jcamins_away Resurrecting?
20:05 jcamins_away What happened to it?
20:05 chris_n yup, and an additional switch could produce package names instead of module names
20:05 chris_n it was on a HDD from my old system
20:06 chris_n I'm attempting to move it over intact
20:08 chris_n jcamins_away: I'll look at the package thing too while I'm mucking around
20:10 jcamins_away That might be nice. mtompset wrote a script to generate that, but if we could centralize, I would like that.
20:11 jcamins_away Especially if we could do it in a way that makes it possible to store RPM/AUR package names, too.
20:11 chris_n so what part of this vimrc do I change to rid myself of all the '^I' :
20:11 * chris_n gives up trying
20:12 jcamins_away set expandtab
20:12 chris_n jcamins_away: it should be trivial to do
20:12 chris_n ahh
20:12 chris_n tnx
20:12 chris_n I owe you some chocolate
20:12 jcamins_away :)
20:13 chris_n argh
20:13 chris_n they're still there :-P
20:13 jcamins_away Yeah, vim does not automatically replace tabs with four spaces everywhere.
20:13 jcamins_away Unlike Emacs, which massacres every file you open.
20:14 rangi i call bs
20:14 chris_n so are we using tabs or spaces now, and how many
20:14 rangi maybe your emacs does that
20:14 jcamins_away rangi: I know.
20:14 rangi mine doesnt
20:14 jcamins_away I don't use Emacs, and libsysguy is never going to live down the time he reindented most of the Koha codebase.
20:15 chris_n anyone remember the "brief" line editor?
20:15 jcamins_away chris_n: we're using 4 tabs.
20:15 libsysguy okay really
20:15 libsysguy first you summon me
20:15 chris_n 4 tabs!
20:15 libsysguy then you insult my favorite editor
20:15 jcamins_away Spaces.
20:15 jcamins_away Sorry.
20:15 libsysguy what is this board coming to
20:15 libsysguy lol
20:15 libsysguy yeah make sure they are spaces and not tabs or paul_p will stab you in the eye
20:16 * chris_n is going to rip out these tabs then
20:16 chris_n :retab to the rescue
20:16 libsysguy M-x untabify
20:16 jcamins_away M-x giveusreasonstomakefunofthejuniorQAA :P
20:16 rangi but do not put spaces in the history.txt that is a tab seperated file ... ill stab you if you do that ;)
20:17 * rangi has fixed that a bunch of times now
20:17 cait1 but we don#t use tabs...
20:17 cait1 we use 4 spaces.. :P
20:17 chris_n so can't we add editor directives to the tops of our files?
20:17 jcamins_away cait1: except in the history fire, which is a tab-separated CSV.
20:17 jcamins_away *file
20:18 chris_n jcamins_away: retab is it
20:18 chris_n After the 'expandtab' option is set, all the new tab characters entered will be changed to spaces. This will not affect the existing tab characters.
20:19 jcamins_away Right. I thought you were trying to prevent your typing from creating new tabby abominations.
20:19 jcamins_away (as opposed to tabby cats, which we like)
20:19 * chris_n is persecuting existing tabby abominations
20:19 * libsysguy prefers tabs
20:19 libsysguy because I'm lazy
20:19 chris_n I'll submit two patches then
20:20 * chris_n thought tab was something you drink
20:20 jcamins_away I think sometime in 2007 or something like that someone went through and removed all the editor definitions. rangi might know why.
20:20 jcamins_away ?
20:20 jcamins_away *?
20:20 * jcamins_away is not used to this keyboard.
20:21 chris_n do we have a bug for general style cleanup?
20:21 jcamins_away I'm not sure, actually.
20:21 rangi cos they were kados?
20:22 jcamins_away rangi: but why would he do something like that? Or is it just a mystery?
20:22 chris_n sounds likely
20:23 rangi why would he fork, and cause me to have to read and write affadavits?
20:23 rangi there's no understanding that guy
20:23 oleonard That's for sure.
20:23 rangi or the people who copy his madness and perpetuate it
20:23 cait1 what are those removed editor statements?
20:24 chris_n they tell your editor what style to use
20:24 rangi and are harmless to everything else
20:24 chris_n it appears there is not bug for general style improvements/fixes
20:25 * chris_n will add one
20:26 chris_n bug 9037
20:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9037 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Catch-all enhancement for coding style improvements and fixes
20:26 mtj chris_n, Bug 7119
20:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7119 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Code cleaning & improvements omnibus
20:26 chris_n ugh
20:27 cait1 chris_n/rangi: thx :)
20:27 chris_n so much for a working search
20:27 chris_n needs keywords
20:27 mtj chris_n, yeah
20:28 mtj chris_n, Bug 7119
20:28 chris_n yup
20:28 chris_n just marked mine as a duplicate
20:29 chris_n what a rough way to get keywords in ;-)
20:29 mtj heh, no, im waiting for huginn to reload the bug title….
20:29 chris_n ahh
20:30 mtj (i just stuffed more keywords in the title)
20:31 mtj oooh, i just spotted the keywords field  :)
20:31 chris_n cool
20:36 rangi melia++
20:36 rangi 9 signoffs for november so far
20:36 melia I'm gonna win, rangi! :)
20:36 rangi hehe
20:36 melia until you guys do the weekend thing anyway...
20:38 oleonard Bug 7671 is the cause of the fine-paying regression.
20:38 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7671 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Master , add a real primary key "accountlinesid" in accountlines
20:38 cait1 melia: do you speak german? I have some easy patches waiting for sign-off ;)
20:38 oleonard And that bisect was pain in the ass.
20:38 chris_n so are we still sending patches to the list? or just git-bz'ing them to bz?
20:38 cait1 oleonard: ouch.
20:38 cait1 but good catch
20:38 jcamins_away chris_n: both.
20:38 jcamins_away Use git-bz -m
20:39 melia I don't speak German. sorry cait1. if it were in Spanish, maybe!
20:39 cait1 melia: it's ok :)
20:39 oleonard File a new bug about the regression or add a comment to the existing bug?
20:40 jcamins_away File a new bug.
20:40 cait1 hm, maybe a new one and link?
20:40 jcamins_away I've decided I don't like comments on existing bugs.
20:40 jcamins_away They're a lot easier to miss.
20:40 rangi yep
20:40 cait1 ... and he is rm :)
20:40 rangi i think once its pushed
20:41 rangi new bug
20:41 rangi up until its pushed comments on the bug
20:41 jcamins_away Right.
20:41 jcamins_away But a lot of people comment on bugs after they've been pushed.
20:41 rangi yep
20:42 jcamins_away That's why we're closing scads of bugs on the release of 3.10.
20:42 cait1 jcamins_away: is it easy to generate release notes? I would like to take a look at a list of the features and bugs for testing purposes
20:43 jcamins_away Very.
20:43 jcamins_away Clone the release-tools repo.
20:44 jcamins_away cd ~/kohaclone; ~/release-tools/ -t v3.08.00; vim misc/release_notes/release_notes_3_9_0.txt
20:44 jcamins_away I may have that file name slightly off.
20:44 jcamins_away But still.
20:44 jcamins_away Easy.
20:44 rangi bug 8872
20:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8872 minor, P5 - low, ---,, Pushed to Master , Improve encoding for xslt files, showmarc and opac-showmarc
20:44 rangi that looks like a candidate for 3.8.x to me
20:45 jcamins_away Yes.
20:45 jcamins_away Definitely.
20:45 cait1 jcamins_away: I will try, adding repo now
20:46 jcamins_away I generated it many times this morning while editing the file.
20:46 jcamins_away *script
20:47 oleonard Bug 9038
20:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9038 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Paying fines doesn't work
20:47 cait1 jcamins_away: ah
20:47 cait1 jcamins_away: can I send a patch for it?
20:47 jcamins_away Yes.
20:47 cait1 because we don't have a hyphen really
20:48 cait1 BSZ BW
20:48 cait1 or only BSZ, but no -
20:48 chris_n t/Cache_Memcached.t also requires memcached; fixing it too
20:49 jcamins_away In gitdm/domain-map?
20:49 cait1 yep
20:50 jcamins_away Fixed.
20:50 cait1 awesome thx
20:50 cait1 jcamins++
20:50 cait1 ok, now trying to make release notes :)
20:53 chris_n so shouldn't we put tests for optional modules into a separate dir?
20:53 chris_n like db tests are?
20:54 jcamins_away chris_n: that's a good idea.
20:54 chris_n ie. t/Cache_Memcached.t
20:54 oleonard Aaaaand that's why I needed a sanity check.
20:54 oleonard Because I was crazy.
20:54 cait1 hm?
20:55 cait1 you didn#t seem crazy to me
20:55 chris_n depends on your standard of crazy
20:55 cait1 ah right... might be my perspective
20:55 oleonard And by crazy, I mean my database hadn't been updated when bug 7671 was pushed.
20:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7671 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Master , add a real primary key "accountlinesid" in accountlines
20:55 cait1 oleonard: that does  not sound good
20:56 jcamins_away oleonard: do you have an column?
20:56 oleonard I reset my version number and the update happened correctly. I assume that means it got lost in the shuffle
20:56 oleonard I do now jcamins_away
20:57 jcamins_away Ah, no, I'm wondering about a column called "id" in the accountlines table.
20:57 jcamins_away That patch added a column called "accountlinesid."
20:58 oleonard No, I don't have
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20:59 cait I won't miss my dad's bad internet connection
20:59 jcamins_away Okay. Just wondering.
21:01 oleonard Guh, I think that's enough for today.
21:01 cait jcamins_away: it worked perfectly, thx for the hints
21:01 cait and btw, you are not really away :)
21:01 cait oleonard++
21:01 rangi jcamins_away: how far are you away from 96th in rockaway?
21:01 jcamins_away rangi: pretty far. Especially since there's no train service out to Rockaway.
21:01 jcamins_away Why?
21:01 rangi my brother in law manages
21:02 rangi he has a stocked up van, needs a driver to drive out there to hand out food
21:02 rangi (from roberta's to 96th that is)
21:02 rangi just was wondering if you were anywhere near there
21:02 jcamins_away Ah. Nope.
21:04 * cait gets hypnotized by pizza
21:04 cait
21:04 rangi lol
21:04 jcamins_away lol
21:04 rangi they do do great food
21:04 rangi course im biased
21:05 rangi https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akam[…]4_680090078_n.jpg
21:06 rangi the purricane
21:06 cait jcamins: release notes look great - did you do the sub headings from bug categories?
21:06 jcamins_away cait: no, that was Paul's change this morning.
21:07 cait ah ok
21:07 cait was wondering how the highlights get sleected
21:07 cait because those seem to be bugs
21:07 cait and not new features
21:07 jcamins_away Critical and blockers.
21:07 cait that doesn't seem ideal to me
21:07 maximep aaaaaaah what a nice day... had fun with bug 4054. 3 hours to find that :/
21:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4054 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , Double-clicking the 'place hold' button can result in duplicate holds
21:07 jcamins_away The idea was supposed to be "Fixed these problems."
21:07 cait hm no major too
21:07 cait 8395majororder receive not sorting right
21:08 jcamins_away Blocker, critical, and major, I guess.
21:08 cait hmm
21:09 Manderson Hi all - can someone tell me if the raw MARC record is stored in a table inside the koha database?
21:09 jcamins_away Manderson: yes it is. It's in biblioitems. However...
21:09 jcamins_away first question?
21:09 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
21:11 Manderson We have some custom scripts and software that operate on the raw marc record and I want to ensure that we can still operate with those.
21:11 Manderson We're on a Voyager system right now and I am evaluating Koha as a viable alternative
21:11 rangi read only scripts?
21:11 Manderson Yes
21:12 rangi that will be fine then
21:12 jcamins_away Then, yeah, that'll work fine.
21:12 rangi just don't go changing stuff without using the api
21:12 jcamins_away If you want to edit records, you need to use the API, though.
21:12 rangi *snap*
21:12 rangi Manderson: biblioitems.marc and biblioitems.marcxml
21:12 jcamins_away rangi and I are in agreement on this.
21:13 rangi depending on what format you want it in
21:13 Manderson thanks guys!
21:13 rangi however
21:13 rangi that does not contain itemdata
21:13 rangi ie holdings
21:14 rangi if you want the item level info too
21:14 rangi you need to call GetMarcBiblio
21:14 rangi off the top of my head
21:14 Manderson Biblioitems doesn't contain item information?
21:14 jcamins_away Right.
21:14 rangi nope
21:14 Manderson that seems a bit misleading :P
21:15 jcamins_away Koha used to have FRBR.
21:15 jcamins_away So there was a biblio, a biblioitem, and an item.
21:15 jcamins_away It lost that when it started using MARC, but not the table names.
21:16 Manderson So, I am just guessing that when a bib is imported, it gets parsed and put into biblioitem and biblios?
21:16 jcamins_away Right.
21:16 Manderson and when it's updated, there are triggers to go back and update those tables too?
21:16 jcamins_away Yes.
21:16 jcamins_away But they're not database-level.
21:17 jcamins_away That's why you *must* use the API.
21:17 Manderson Perl level?
21:17 jcamins_away Yes.
21:17 Manderson Fair enough...
21:17 Manderson Thanks for explanation
21:17 jcamins_away Also, the marcxml and marc fields should be kept in sync or bad things happen.
21:17 Manderson BTW, I was successful in my test for checking out, checking in, adding and searching for bibs on my red hat installation
21:18 jcamins_away Which points to using the API which takes care of that for you.
21:18 jcamins_away Hooray!
21:18 jcamins_away Did you take notes?
21:18 Manderson I have notes, and plan to write them up on the Wiki
21:18 jcamins_away Hooray!
21:18 jcamins_away Manderson++
21:19 Manderson I am no red hat guru though, so I won't be able to do any RPMs
21:19 Manderson :(
21:20 jcamins_away You could learn!
21:20 * chris_n heads out
21:20 jcamins_away I didn't know anything about Debian packaging a year ago, and now I know a lot. :)
21:20 jcamins_away ;)
21:21 Manderson I've DONE them before...but I am far from well-versed in Red Hat. I am a Solaris admin
21:22 jcamins_away Probably a wise decision to try to install Koha on Red Hat before Solaris.
21:23 rangi ive had it going on solaris
21:23 rangi its not that bad
21:24 rangi in terms of proprietary pieces of crap OSes anyway :)
21:24 Manderson I have to say that sometimes, even thought it can be a pain in the ass, Solaris has never let me down in terms of reliablity.
21:25 eythian hi
21:25 wahanui privet, eythian
21:25 rangi give oracle time
21:25 rangi they'll fix it's reliability too
21:25 jcamins_away lol
21:25 Manderson *shutter*
21:25 Manderson Yeah, they'll fix it REEEEAAALLL GOOD
21:26 Manderson By making it a pay-for option
21:26 jcamins_away Stability?
21:26 wahanui Stability is due to db upgrade
21:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #224 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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21:55 claire Hi #koha
21:56 rangi hi claire
21:58 claire rangi, there's this mesage software error: when I try to view details for a patron.
21:58 claire The 'month' parameter ("0") to DateTime::new did not pass the 'an integer between 1 and 12' callback  at /usr/lib/perl5/ line 194
21:58 rangi what version of koha?
21:59 claire those are the first two lines
21:59 rangi most likely the person has either an invalid date of birth
21:59 claire 3.8
21:59 rangi or expiry
21:59 rangi 3.8.x?
21:59 wahanui i think 3.8.x is missing 7805
21:59 rangi 3.8.6 ?
21:59 claire 3.8.4
22:00 rangi either way, its probably to do with bad data fro that patron, the have 00 as a month
22:00 rangi how did you create the patron?
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22:01 rangi hi wizzyrea
22:01 claire I'll check that but there are two patrons so far I have came across with the same problem
22:01 rangi yep
22:01 rangi how did you create them?
22:02 claire create what?
22:02 rangi the patrons
22:02 rangi if it was a data import id suspect that munged the dates
22:03 rangi it will be one of the dates, expiry, birth
22:03 claire using new patron
22:03 rangi registration
22:03 rangi or it could be one of the issues has a bad date
22:03 claire okay
22:04 rangi some date to do with that patron has gotten 00 as a month
22:05 rangi its quite likely its 0000-00-00 in the db
22:05 claire how can I deal with the issue?
22:06 rangi you have to find the invalid date, and fix it
22:06 claire The date of birth of that particular patron is written as 15/07/1982
22:07 rangi it wont be that then
22:07 rangi ive never seen this error except from an import, or from someone changing things in the database
22:08 rangi do you have db access? id do
22:08 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #224: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/224/
22:08 jenkins_koha * Bug 8872: Add UTF-8 encoding to intranet xslt files
22:08 jenkins_koha * Bug 8872 Add UTF-8 encoding to opac xslt files
22:08 jenkins_koha * Bug 8872: Changes for opac-showmarc
22:08 jenkins_koha * Bug 8872: Changes for intranet showmarc
22:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8872 minor, P5 - low, ---,, Pushed to Stable , Improve encoding for xslt files, showmarc and opac-showmarc
22:08 rangi select * from borrowers where cardnumber=enter_their_cardnumber_here
22:09 claire yes
22:09 claire the tabs from fines down to notices are working but not check out and details
22:10 rangi if details its most likely date of expiry
22:10 rangi that query in the db will show you
22:10 rangi you can do that in reports too
22:10 rangi if you dont have db access
22:10 claire its details and check out that gives error message
22:11 rangi yes
22:11 claire also I there was any error when I tried apt-get update
22:14 claire there' this error when run apt-get update:
22:14 claire Encountered a section with no Package: header
22:14 claire Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists​_squeeze_updates_contrib_i18n_Translation-en
22:14 claire The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
22:14 claire rangi, those are the errors when I update
22:15 eythian that's not a Koha related error, you'll have to get your sysadmin to look into it.
22:15 mtj ^^ what he said
22:15 eythian it's also not related to your DataTime error.
22:16 eythian *DateTime
22:16 claire okay...
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23:56 rangi chris_n: are you about?
23:58 eythian wahanui: php
23:58 wahanui php is like perl, not the other way around ;)
23:59 eythian wahanui: php is also[…]al-of-bad-design/
23:59 wahanui okay, eythian.

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