Time Nick Message 00:15 cait :) 00:17 cait noone here? :) 00:17 * jcamins is. 00:20 cait hi jcamins :) 00:20 jcamins Hello. 00:21 rangi hi cait 00:21 cait hi rangi :) 00:22 eythian hi 00:22 wahanui hey, eythian 00:40 jcamins tcohen: BTW, thanks for the hint about TexLive 2012. 00:40 tcohen u r welcome 02:49 rangi atz++ 02:54 eythian I assume you're aiming for +++ATH0 02:58 bag oh what did atz do now? 02:59 rangi good answer on the sec4lib mailing list 02:59 bag ahh not on it 02:59 bag sec4lib? sounds rough no? 03:00 rangi security .. its really low traffic 03:00 bag right rough 03:01 rangi :) 03:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #223 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 03:46 rangi bug 9027 03:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9027 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , How to do proper setting for cataloging module? 03:46 rangi vaguest bug ever 03:49 eythian I think they're really after the manual perhaps. 03:49 rangi yeah 03:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #223: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/223/ 03:52 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 7805 Exposing the new list permissions in opac and staff 03:52 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 7805 Followup for perlcritic messages 04:43 bag marc 710? 04:43 bag @marc 710 04:43 huginn bag: An added entry in which the entry element is a corporate name. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,k,l,m,n,o,p,r,s,t,u,x,3,4,5,6,8] 04:43 bag @marc indictors 710 04:43 huginn bag: unknown field/subfield combination (indictors/710) 05:01 Manderson Pardon my ignorance, but if a bibliographic record gets stuck in the 'reservoir', how do I get it out and in to the catalog? 05:02 eythian when cataloguing, you can search the reservoir I think. 05:03 eythian So you catalogue based on that record, and when you save it, it'll be in the catalogue. 05:03 eythian Alternately, if it's there as part of a staged MARC file, you can import it through the interface for sorting that stuff 05:03 eythian (which is under "Tools") 05:16 mtj sheesh, i just spotted a tweet from liblime about a solr commit they've pushed, 60 days ago... 05:16 mtj [solr-squash e54b8e3] Replace Zebra/YAZ with Solr 05:16 mtj 140 files changed, 11247 insertions(+), 15250 deletions(-) 05:17 mtj … yet their repo is 7 months old? -> https://github.com/liblime/LibLime-Koha 05:21 BobB hi 05:21 BobB does anyone know if the en-nz translation is actively maintained? 05:22 BobB I just applied it to a 3.8.6 koha and there's still use of terms like check-in and check-out, and catalogue has lost is ue 05:22 mtj BobB, afaik, it is 05:23 BobB thx mtj, some clients are keen to switch 05:24 mtj im not sure which kiwi has been maintaining the file, chris/robin will prolly know 05:24 rangi Hmm? 05:24 BobB I should find out how to contribute to that .... need longer days. :( 05:25 rangi What would I know? 05:25 BobB aww go on 05:25 rangi (no scroll back on this phone) 05:25 BobB I just asked if the en-nz translation in 3.8.6 is complete? 05:25 mtj whos been recently contributing/maintaining the NZ po files , for koha 05:25 BobB It doesn't look like it 05:26 rangi Ahh 05:26 rangi Me 05:26 rangi Yep 05:26 rangi The release notes should tell you :) 05:26 mtj Koha 3.8 Complete 84517 2012-10-17 12:30 (chrisc) 05:27 mtj http://translate.koha-community.org/en_NZ/ 05:27 BobB Me? Look up the release notes? :) 05:27 BobB There's still some check-ins and check-outs, its seems 05:29 BobB hang on, I just tested again and didn't see it. Might get back to you on this one. 05:30 bag mtj? 05:30 wahanui i heard mtj was a danger to bots everywhere. 05:31 bag darn - but anyways heya mason and hey Bob 05:33 mtj hay bag, hows the ginny going? 05:33 bag Awesome!!! thanks for asking 05:34 BobB hi bag 05:34 mtj she keepin' you on your toes :) 05:34 bag she's a big time smiler and giggler 05:35 BobB did she vote for Obama? 05:35 bag She was wearing a "powered by Koha" onesie the other day :) (the staff got us that one ;) ) 05:35 BobB very cool 05:39 mtj ginny++ 05:40 bag yup ginny++ 05:50 BobB rangi the en-nz translation looks great, thank you 05:51 rangi Sweet 06:36 * magnuse waves 06:41 rangi hey wizzyrea 06:41 wahanui i think wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans. 06:41 magnuse kia ora wizzyrea 06:46 rangi wb wizzyrea 06:46 wizzyrea ty hi 06:46 rangi hey magnuse howd your conf go? 06:46 magnuse good! 06:46 magnuse lots of positive response 06:46 rangi i saw a blog post, it looked like people enjoyed it 06:46 rangi excellent 06:47 magnuse no definitive new customers yet of course, but i keep my fingers crossed 06:47 magnuse cait did a great job talking about koha worldwide of course 06:47 rangi excellent :) 06:48 magnuse and i was reminded that i never really figured out how to use authorities with normarc in koha... 06:49 magnuse which was kind of bad, 'cause oslo public library was really wondering about that... 06:49 rangi ahhh 06:49 rangi jcamins probably can help with that 06:49 magnuse yeah, that was my first thought too :-) 06:50 magnuse normarc does not have a "framework" for authorities, so i'm thinking i have to steal the one from marc21 and see if that works 06:51 rangi yeah 06:51 magnuse i guess you saw this? http://buskerud.fylkesbibl.no/2012/11/07/det-frie-biblioteksystemet-koha/ - published at the end of the day by one of the attendees. yay! 06:51 rangi sounds like a plan 06:51 rangi yep good write up 06:51 magnuse yeah, very cool 06:52 francharb hi 06:52 magnuse hiya francharb and drojf 06:53 francharb 0/ magnuse 06:53 magnuse \o 06:53 rangi heya francharb and drojf 06:53 drojf hi magnuse and francharb 06:54 francharb 0/ rangi drojf 06:54 drojf europe's up early ;) 06:54 francharb \0/ 06:56 magnuse cait and i also got a guided tour of http://www.popsenteret.no/ - by the guy who created their it infrastructure 06:56 magnuse everything in the mueseum is controlled and fed by semantic data in a triplestore - send the system the right message and all the displays in the whole museum can be changed 06:56 magnuse very impressive! 06:57 drojf cool 07:03 rangi cool! 07:30 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Introducing my daughter. http://t.co/wtpOY6YS #kohails" 07:35 magnuse yay! 07:35 reiveune hello 07:35 magnuse hiya reiveune 07:36 reiveune salut magnuse :) 07:36 * magnuse tries to think of a book that every library in the nexpress catalogue would have 07:37 rangi twilight probably 07:37 rangi or harry potter 07:37 magnuse ah, of course 07:38 magnuse thanks rangi - and sily me for not thinking of harry potter! 07:39 magnuse yeah, twilight had some perfect examples 08:04 alex_a_ bonjour 08:05 wizzyrea 50 shades of grey :P 08:05 rangi hey alex_a_ 08:06 alex_a_ salut rangi 08:12 lds Hello 08:13 rangi hi lds and matts 08:13 wizzyrea magnuse: also john grisham 08:14 wizzyrea or evanovich 08:15 matts hi ! 08:16 lds hi rangi !! 08:18 magnuse wizzyrea: thanks, twilight worked nicely 08:18 wizzyrea good stuff :) 08:20 magnuse is there a way to not show the names of all the libraries that have the book in the results list? 08:20 magnuse just show "15 copies available" or something? 08:30 magnuse nah, doesn't look like it is possible at the moment, but that it should be an easy enh 08:31 magnuse kia ora trea! 08:31 trea kia ora magnuse! 08:31 magnuse yay! 08:31 magnuse how's life in the antipodes? 08:32 trea good, good. just taking it easy 08:33 magnuse nice 08:49 magnuse @later tell cait: looks like my permissions for nb-NO 3.10 are still not quite right 08:49 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 09:03 paul_p hi trea ! 09:04 trea hi paul_p! 09:07 paul_p trea = so all the family will work on Koha all around the world ? do you have a boy, a sister, an uncle or a grand-ma we could hire at BibLibre ? So we could say "Rea rulez them all" :D :D 09:07 trea well, my mom is retired and looking for a hobby 09:07 trea perhaps we can convince her to come to france 09:07 trea :D 09:08 * cait waves 09:08 * trea waves to cait 09:08 cait :) 09:09 wizzyrea lol paul_p 09:10 paul_p hi cait & wizzyrea 09:10 wizzyrea also hi cait :) 09:10 cait hi wizzyrea and paul_p 09:10 wizzyrea good morning :) 09:11 bag and I'm going to bed - night all :) have an excellent day 09:11 trea hey night bag 09:12 rangi hi cait 09:12 cait night bag 09:12 cait hi rangi :) 09:19 magnuse hiya cait - made it home all right? 09:21 cait yep 09:21 cait no problems 09:22 cait only a little delay from berlin to stuttgart 09:24 magnuse yay 10:30 vfernandes hi guys :) 10:32 vfernandes anyone had sucessfully updated a koha 2.2.X to 3.8? 10:32 vfernandes which could be the best way? 10:42 slef vfernandes: export catalogue, import again 10:44 vfernandes the client wants to mantain the circulation history 10:45 vfernandes so a new migration is the last option... 10:46 vfernandes if I install the 3.0 the database isn't updated? 10:46 slef could see how much the history tables have changed but I suspect at least you'd want to step via 3.0, then to 3.8 running the special 3.4 item-splitter. 10:47 vfernandes http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Upgrading_2.2 10:47 vfernandes i'm seeing this page to update 2.2 to 3.0 10:47 vfernandes then I've to update to 3.8 10:48 vfernandes It will be a hard proccess 10:54 vfernandes thanks slef 10:55 slef vfernandes: no worries. Good luck! 10:56 vfernandes i'll need it eheheh 12:37 chris_n heya paul_p 13:12 libsysguy geez koha looks bad when the javascript is turned off 13:16 paul_p hi chris_n (&others) 13:16 paul_p chris_n i've other patches for release tools ;-) 13:17 paul_p does someone know a perl library to store permanently the content of a variable on the disk & recover it quickly ? 13:19 paul_p Storable... 13:19 wahanui hmmm... storable is yellow and Graphics::Magick 13:24 magnuse paul_p: use YAML? 13:24 libsysguy storable serializes the variable 13:24 libsysguy err object 13:24 paul_p magnuse = Storable is what I need 13:24 magnuse okelydokely :-) 13:27 oleonard Hi #koha 13:29 libsysguy oleonard! I was just thinking about you 13:29 oleonard Aw, that's very sweet 13:29 libsysguy heh 13:29 libsysguy indeed it is 13:29 libsysguy sweet sprinkled with javascript 13:30 libsysguy I was uisng HTTP::Recorder and HTTP::Proxy to autogen WWW::Mechanize scripts but it disables javascript 13:30 paul_p good morning oleonard ( oleonard from OH, the US state we speak once every four years in France ;-) ) 13:30 libsysguy and it is hard to navigate 13:31 libsysguy its not just france paul_p 13:31 paul_p libsysguy = probably, but I just listen french news ;-) 13:32 libsysguy spoken like a true frenchman :p 13:35 paul_p libsysguy :p :p 13:36 paul_p libsysguy is "I only listen french news" better ? 13:38 libsysguy heh paul_p I just have this image of a tall slender guy smoking a cig at all times as you 13:39 paul_p libsysguy me smoking a cig ? definetely not me !!!! 13:39 oleonard He got the tall part at least :) 13:39 libsysguy hehe I just assumed all french men smoked ;) 13:40 oleonard chris_n around? 13:41 oleonard @later tell chris_n Could you take a look at Bug 9017? Not sure what the best solution is. 13:41 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded. 13:43 oleonard The description of Bug 9029 sounds like the behavior I would expect 13:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9029 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , location switches under certain time-out conditions 14:05 chris_n paul_p: patches pushed 14:05 chris_n oleonard: looking 14:06 paul_p chris_n = new ones coming soon :D 14:06 chris_n cool 14:06 chris_n full-automation++ 14:14 chris_n oleonard: iirc the extension imposed some limitations on DT which I could not work around 14:15 chris_n I'll look at it a bit more once I get my dev foo back up and working today 14:15 oleonard If you think mveron's solution is the best one, please add a comment and remove "failed qa" (or sign off). I just hoped we could do it the "right" way 14:15 chris_n k 14:16 chris_n I attempted to ensure translation would work, so we should be able to fix it one way or another 14:17 jcamins_away paul_p++ 14:26 jcamins paul_p: around? 14:27 paul_p jcamins yep 14:27 jcamins paul_p: there was a reason for the -s in the T::T tags. 14:27 jcamins They remove excess whitespace. 14:28 paul_p really ? unknown feature from me ! how does it work ? 14:28 paul_p (because sometimes it's at the beginning, sometimes at the end) 14:28 jcamins [%- removes excess whitespace before the tag. 14:28 jcamins -%] removes excess whitespace after the tag. 14:29 paul_p OK, i'll reintroduce them quickly 14:29 jcamins If you want I can do that. 14:29 chris_n so do we need a test suite for the release tools? ;-) 14:30 jcamins I have some additional patches to push to my release-tool.pl script. 14:30 fudm Good day House 14:31 fudm Am Olumide a system adminsitrator in a Nigerian Institution 14:31 oleonard Hi fudm 14:31 fudm we just installed Koha for use as an E-library tool 14:32 fudm Hi oleonard 14:32 fudm We are presently having challenges with the indexing 14:33 fudm indexing i mean client having access to catalogued items 14:33 fudm Installation was successful and we have cataloged some few items 14:34 fudm any advice on way out 14:34 jcamins paul_p: I will add the missing '-'s, since I have push access. 14:34 jcamins And we can ask gmcharlt to give you push access to release-tools later. 14:34 jcamins faq? 14:34 wahanui i think faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 14:35 jcamins fudm: ^^ the FAQ has troubleshooting information. 14:35 jcamins second question? 14:35 wahanui rumour has it second question is "What is the exact error message?" 14:35 fudm oleanard: read somethings about Zebra indexing, which i followed the instructions while installing Koha 14:35 jcamins No, not that question. 14:35 jcamins Third question? 14:35 wahanui it has been said that Third question is "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/find-version-koha-running/ 14:35 jcamins That question. 14:35 jcamins :) 14:35 fudm but still same error 14:35 fudm No results match your search for 'kw,wrdl: chemistry' in Federal University,Dutsin-ma.Library Catalog. 14:36 jcamins Yeah, I didn't mean to ask the second question. I wanted the third question. 14:36 fudm anyone helping out please 14:37 jcamins fudm: what version of Koha are you using? 14:37 jcamins I also pointed you to a FAQ. 14:37 fudm am using 3.08.06 on Ubuntu 11.10 14:37 jcamins How did you install Koha? 14:39 chris_n paul_p: you should be able to push to the release tool repo now 14:39 jcamins paul_p: I can still add the missing '-'s since I already started on it. 14:40 chris_n we'll just have to be careful that we don't have a git collision :-) 14:41 jcamins Right. 14:42 * chris_n wonders if we should be doing pulls and pushes rather than rebase with that repo 14:43 jcamins chris_n: yes, except for when we forget to push patches, in which case we need to rebase our local changes on master. 14:43 chris_n right 14:44 fudm i lost connection 14:45 jcamins fudm: how did you install Koha? Packages? 14:46 paul_p jcamins = probable git collision. please wait until I push my current patch 14:46 fudm :jcamins: I installed all over the internet 14:46 fudm :jcamins: i followed instructions found on koha wiki site 14:46 jcamins fudm: which instructions? 14:47 jcamins paul_p: okay, let me know when you've done that. 14:47 fudm :jcamins: installing Koha on Ubuntu 11.10 14:47 paul_p does someone know how to / what define the terminal width ? 14:48 fudm :jcamins: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu 14:48 paul_p my script retrieve bugzilla comments in 80 char size, that's not what I'm expecting... 14:48 jcamins paul_p: I do not, sorry. 14:49 jcamins fudm: did you use packages or tarball? 14:49 fudm :jcamins: packages 14:49 wahanui well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 14:50 paul_p and the answer is = stty cols 80 14:50 fudm :jcamins:packages i assume! i dont know the diff between packages and tarball 14:50 jcamins fudm: did you download a file called "koha-3.08.06.tar.gz"? 14:51 jcamins If you did, you used the tarball. 14:51 fudm :jcamins:yes i downloaded that 14:51 jcamins That's unfortunate. 14:51 jcamins You need to set up your cron jobs. 14:52 jcamins And make sure you've started Zebra. 14:52 fudm :jcamins: i got the tar.gz file using "wget http://download.koha-community.org/koha-latest.tar.gz" 14:52 jcamins Did you work your way through the FAQ on this problemt hat I sent you? 14:52 jcamins Yeah, definitely tarball. 14:53 fudm :jcamins: sorry, was the faq for me? 14:53 jcamins Yes. 14:53 jcamins faq? 14:53 wahanui faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 14:53 jcamins The very last question addresses this. 14:53 fudm :jcamins: i followed this to create a cron job during koha installation "5 - Setup Zebra Server to Automatically Start on Boot Up $ sudo ln -s /usr/share/koha/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon $ sudo update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults $ sudo /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start" 14:53 jcamins That has nothing to do with cron. 14:54 jcamins That's setting up Zebra to run when the system starts. 14:54 jcamins Which is also important. 14:54 wahanui okay, jcamins. 14:54 jcamins which? 14:54 wahanui i guess which is important. 14:54 jcamins wahanui: forget which 14:54 wahanui jcamins: I forgot which 14:54 oleonard wahanui: Who is on first 14:54 wahanui no idea, oleonard 14:54 fudm :jcamins: ok, so how do i go about the cron job 14:54 oleonard dang 14:54 jcamins wahanui: \Who \is on first is I don't know. 14:54 wahanui OK, jcamins. 14:54 jcamins who is on first? 14:55 jcamins who is on first 14:55 jcamins Who is on first 14:55 jcamins Oh well. 14:55 fudm :jcamins: the cron job; how do i go about it pls 14:55 jcamins fudm: you do understand that I'm doing this for free, right? 14:56 fudm :jcamins:yes i do, i really appreciate the assistance 14:56 jcamins Okay. Patience is appreciated when you are receiving gratis help. 14:57 fudm :jcamins: Ok 14:57 Manderson Hi all - I am still trying to figure out how to get bib items into my catalog. They get stuck in the reservoir, and seem to stay there. Any ideas? 14:57 jcamins fudm: the first thing to do is start Zebra: `sudo service koha-zebra-daemon start` 14:57 jcamins Then, you'll rebuild Zebra as described in the FAQ. 14:58 fudm :jcamins: ok 14:59 fudm :jcamins: i just started the zebra service 15:00 jcamins So now you're going to set your PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF variables and run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v 15:01 jcamins I'm not 100 15:01 jcamins % sure where that script is, but you can find it. 15:02 fudm :jcamins: how pls 15:02 fudm :jcamins: using this "export PERL5LIB=/path/to/your/koha/" 15:02 jcamins Right. 15:02 jcamins Changing the path to where Koha is installed. 15:03 jcamins And `export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha_conf.xml` 15:03 fudm :jcamins: am presently searching for the PERL5LIB 15:04 jcamins You'll find all this in the instructions, too. 15:04 fudm :jcamins: ok, let me follow the instructions then revert back to you 15:05 jcamins I believe it is `export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha` 15:06 fudm :jcamins: am i just to "run export PERL5LIB=/usr/kohalocation" from the terminal(cmd lin) 15:06 jcamins Right. 15:11 fudm :jcamins:ok, i ran the instructions but i cant see any response 15:11 jcamins Including rebuild_zebra? 15:11 fudm :jcamins: ok, i ran the instructions but i cant see any response 15:11 jcamins The export commands do not give any output. 15:12 fudm ok 15:12 fudm :jcamins: ok 15:12 jcamins You don't need to preface my nick to every statement. Since we're the only ones talking, I'll be able to follow. 15:12 fudm ok 15:13 fudm am i to run this export KOHA_.... from the unzipped koha3.0806 folder? 15:13 jcamins BTW, for those who were concerned, the snow was not nearly as bad as I was anticipating. Just a couple of inches at most. 15:13 jcamins It doesn't matter what folder you run it from. 15:14 jcamins However, you should be using the folders where Koha was installed, not the folder where you unzipped Koha. 15:15 fudm ok, that is the "usr/share/koha" right? 15:16 jcamins I think so. 15:16 jcamins I don't use the tarball for installing. 15:17 gmcharlt @quote random 15:17 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #29: "< CGI634> kill self now avoid slow cataloging death" (added by chris at 09:32 PM, September 02, 2009) 15:17 slef hey don't kill me! 15:21 magnuse hm, was it a typo or wasn't it a typo? 15:22 mtj you know what our problem is? 15:22 mtj this page should aggressively recommend using the koha packages for beginner installs -> http://koha-community.org/download-koha 15:23 mtj … its the first mistake, that n00bs make, when installing koha 15:23 jcamins mtj: agreed. 15:23 magnuse +1 15:26 mtj i suggest a hottt-pink flashing marquee bold italic banner '---===use the packages====---', and a midi tune of super-mario theme music 15:26 jcamins lol 15:26 jcamins I suggest that if you do that I will sick the Reas on you. 15:26 jcamins And they are all very, very tall so you don't want that. 15:27 mtj ^^ ill ask liz about it, next time i see her 15:28 jcamins Oh, I think I can edit downloads.k-c.org. 15:28 jcamins If you'd like to e-mail the lists to make sure people agree? 15:29 mtj *and* that very same suggestion on -> http://download.koha-community.org, too 15:30 mtj jcamins, yep - will do 15:30 slef careful not to alienate the non-debs 15:30 jcamins I think it's more important on download.k-c.org, actually. 15:30 slef also should promote the livecd for newbies too 15:30 jcamins slef: first there needs to be a new LiveCD. 15:31 oleonard <crickets> 15:31 jcamins Right now the most up-to-date LiveCD is... not new. 15:31 mtj and google-groups - to share our stories... 15:31 slef jcamins: nah, olderversions are ok for first tries IMO 15:31 * slef goes to get mtj's leg bone 15:31 jcamins slef: I disagree. There is no upgrade path from them. 15:32 slef jcamins: so write that there. "Try this out. Don't use it for real sites." or something 15:32 slef "real sites because the upgrade path is not good/there" 15:32 jcamins That's the plan, and the reason we have a LiveCD manager. 15:32 slef JFDI 15:32 * jcamins isn't creating a livecd. 15:33 slef It's already there, people already use them, let's at least tell them the score. 15:33 jcamins And I'm not encouraging anyone to use a misconfigured version of Koha that's six months old. 15:33 jcamins *I* am the one who is on #koha when they show up and ask why it's broken who is dumb enough to try to help. 15:35 jcamins Regarding non-Debian distros, I think a note like "If you are using a deb-based distro (for example, Debian or Ubuntu), you are strongly encouraged to use the packages for production installations, since the packages automatically handle a lot of the inconvenient configuration." 15:36 slef that's ok 15:37 mtj i think we all want less n00bs having koha problems, caused by bad install decisions 15:37 mtj … that we then have to help fix :/ 15:39 mtj theres much good info about install stuff on the wiki, but many people never even get that far - it seems… 15:39 jcamins @later tell rangi I think awstats on download.k-c.org is misconfigured. One unique visitor per month since June seems improbable. 15:39 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 15:40 caser Good morning/afternoon/evening everyone! 15:41 mtj … i think if we just improve the info on 'koha-community.org/download-koha' & 'download.koha-community.org', we can fix that 15:41 oleonard Hi caser 15:41 jcamins mtj: and remove links from the wiki directly to tarball files? 15:42 jcamins (I'm not sure if there are any) 15:42 jcamins Manderson: in answer to your question much earlier, when you save a record it should go into the catalog. Most likely the problem is that you don't have the rebuild_zebra cronjobs running. 15:43 mtj jcamins, nor me, either 15:43 mtj hey caser 15:45 caser We recently used a script to delete records without items, and while the records are indeed no longer existent, they are still showing up in search results in the OPAC. When you try to pull up the record from the search results, you get an error message. 15:45 magnuse jcamins or anyone else know a handy set of marc21 authority records for testing? 15:45 oleonard Where are the "installing Koha on Ubuntu 11.10" instructions fudm referred to? 15:46 caser Anyone know why/how the title is still coming up in the search result, even though the record has been deleted? 15:46 jcamins oleonard: see Koha_on_Ubuntu on the wiki. 15:46 jcamins caser: yes, you need to rebuild your indexes. 15:46 magnuse oleonard: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu 15:46 jcamins Run `rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v` 15:46 * oleonard replaces jcamins with a bot that replies "rebuild your indexes" 15:46 jcamins help? 15:46 wahanui i think help is at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help. 15:46 jcamins Humbug. 15:46 jcamins problem? 15:47 wahanui i heard problem was its human beings doing it or that grub was nudged to the emergency holographic shell 15:47 jcamins forget problem 15:47 wahanui jcamins: I forgot problem 15:47 jcamins Problem was it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. 15:47 magnuse excuse? 15:47 wahanui magnuse: Just pick up the phone and give modem connect sounds. "Well you said we should get more lines so we don't have voice lines." 15:47 jcamins Problem? 15:47 jcamins Problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. 15:47 jcamins problem? 15:47 wahanui problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild my indexes. 15:47 jcamins Hm. 15:47 jcamins forget problem 15:47 wahanui jcamins: I forgot problem 15:47 jcamins Problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild \your indexes. 15:47 jcamins problem? 15:47 wahanui problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. 15:47 jcamins There we go. 15:48 oleonard the "Koha_on_Ubuntu" page doesn't have installation instructions, and recommends using packages. 15:49 jcamins oleonard: oh, good. 15:49 jcamins I thought those were the super-long Ubuntu tarball instructions. 15:51 jcamins Since fudm is using Ubuntu 11.10, presumably s/he started the installation ages ago, though. 15:54 oleonard [off] Then there's always the random blog posts: http://clean-clouds.com/2011/12/22/open-source-ils-installation-guide-for-koha-on-ubuntu-10-04-lts-with-mysql-5/ 15:54 jcamins [off] Yeah, that's the biggest problem, and the author refuses to take it down because it's good for SEO. 15:57 magnuse book title of the day: "MARC21 for everyone : a practical guide" 15:57 jcamins lol 15:58 jcamins magnuse: oh, yeah, authority records. 15:58 magnuse only if you know about any handy ones floating around... 15:58 jcamins I just sent to someone. 15:58 magnuse yay! 15:59 jcamins I just have to find them. 16:00 magnuse anyone tried importing MeSH records into koha? http://www.nlm.nih.gov/mesh/marc.html 16:00 jcamins No, but I've thought about it. 16:00 oleonard My staff is perpetually annoyed *and* surprised that the OPAC doesn't enforce hold limits 16:00 oleonard The annoyed part I understand. The surprised part? Really, still? 16:01 magnuse hehe 16:01 jcamins magnuse: I'll look for it after some breakfast. 16:02 * magnuse realized during the "get to know koha" day yesterday that authorities and normarc was something he put off until later and then forgot about... 16:03 oleonard But honestly, we should hide the holds limit settings from circ rules until they're fixed. They're not enforced! 16:09 caser jcamins Thanks, I'm looking into the rebuild. 16:10 caser Is a special circumstance due to the mass deletion or should we be doing rebuild regularly by cron? 16:11 jcamins Mass deletion. 16:12 oleonard jcamins: Because the regular cron update doesn't catch them? 16:13 jcamins Right. 16:15 caser Thank you! 16:21 caser So, from the comment "oleonard replaces jcamins with a bot that replies "rebuild your indexes"" shall I assume that this is the equivalent of "have you tried turning it off and on again?" 16:22 jcamins Pretty much. 16:23 paul_p jcamins (& chris_n ) = 2 new patches pushed on release-tools 16:23 jcamins paul_p: thanks. 16:23 jcamins I'll push my additional patches now. 16:23 caser got it. 16:23 paul_p jcamins perfect 16:24 reiveune bye 16:24 jcamins Well, once I fix the spacing in the credits section. 16:28 chris_n paul_p++ 16:29 * cait waves 16:30 jcamins Hm. And we should use the mapping file that git-stats uses. 16:30 jcamins For companies. 16:30 oleonard Hi cait 16:30 oleonard Still in Norway? 16:30 cait nope 16:31 cait came back late last night 16:31 cait my dad picked me up, still staying with my family 16:31 chris_n jcamins: true 16:34 jcamins Okay, pushed my changes. 16:34 jcamins I'll see if I can figure out how to do the mapping. 16:34 jcamins paul_p: looks like the lists are working again. 16:35 jcamins Alas, gitdm is written in Python. 16:35 paul_p jcamins yes, it seems http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2012-November/038419.html (except I don't get the email myself...) 16:36 paul_p we faced some problems with it because of our VPN & some internal DNS wrongly resolved (at least that's what I understood...) 16:39 jcamins Humbug. I don't want to figure out how to read the domain map. 16:39 caser jcamins Thanks for the help! 16:39 caser Bye 16:41 maximep spent all my morning fixing effects of bug 8253 when I updated to 3.8. How did I miss this bug :/ 16:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8253 critical, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , fix fine doubling, when upgrading from 3.6 to 3.8 (or later) 16:42 maximep and the patches don't exactly work for me :/ 16:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #10 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:44 cait1 maximep: :( 16:44 cait1 maybe you can find the right fix? 16:44 cait1 the bug looks like a bit of a never ending story :( 16:45 maximep pretty crazy that it took 7 minor releases to fix :S 16:47 maximep ah, the fixes don't work because of a local change. It seems we use the closing hour in date_due instead of 23:59. Not sure why we did that haha 16:47 jcamins maximep: because that's the logical time for books to be due. 16:47 jcamins libsysguy is working on making that work generally. 16:48 jcamins If you've already gotten it working, though, a patch would be welcomed. 16:50 maximep I actually don't remember anything about what I did on that stuff haha 16:50 maximep I have the worst memory :/ 16:52 libsysguy that is why you commit early, commit often, and comment 16:53 libsysguy the 3 C's of programming 16:53 libsysguy :p 16:53 maximep haha that I do 16:53 maximep I know my lack of memory =) 16:54 tcohen so, liblime announced the availability of a Solr version of its Koha fork 16:55 jcamins Yup. 16:55 jcamins Kind of limited in terms of search options. 16:57 cait1 and it's not on their repo yet 16:57 cait1 and no release notes 16:57 cait1 it seems 16:57 cait1 or I didn#t find it 16:57 cait1 the download is still 4.10 16:58 jcamins cait1: I'd be shocked if they released it. 16:58 cait1 well, you never know what shocking thing they plan next 16:58 jcamins Granted. But the code for 4.12 was never made available. 16:59 cait1 their press release is quite silent aobut that little fact 17:00 oleonard ...and of course doesn't mention open source except in their boilerplate "about liblime" paragraph 17:01 oleonard ...where I would quibble with the truth of their "global leader" assertion. 17:04 cait1 yeah 17:24 * chris_n finds it interesting that the koha_on_ubuntu_-_git wiki page does not mention installing zebra 17:24 chris_n or else I have missed it 17:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #10: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/10/ 17:24 jenkins_koha tomascohen: Bug 9001: Remove Zebraqueue_daemon 17:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9001 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , zebraqueue_daemon is deprecated and must go 17:24 oleonard Which page chris_n? 17:24 jcamins chris_n: that's quite possible. 17:24 chris_n http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_git 17:25 chris_n just a small oversight ;-) 17:25 oleonard Is that the humongous guide you were thinking of jcamins? 17:26 jcamins oleonard: no, there was one for tarball installs. 17:27 chris_n hmm... the INSTALL files seem to miss that point too 17:27 jcamins paul_p: I updated get_bugs.pl to use the domain map. 17:27 chris_n I thought for sure that was in there somewhere in the past 17:28 jcamins It was. 17:28 chris_n here it is: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.2_on_Debian_Squeeze_via_GIT#Set_up_Indexdata_apt_sources_for_Yaz_and_Zebra_packages 17:28 chris_n but it sure has disappeared from several other places 17:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #934 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:44 tcohen chris_n, whats the problem with the docs? (sorry, arrived late= 17:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8784' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=612fa3f1584338b4eaf4f91ab0cac9d86395cf35> / Bug 8784 - Missing files in debian.packages list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=93b90b28283f6e3bfc27895a31d644562cfea532> / Bug 8805 - Add a biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl for NORMARC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff; 17:49 * jcamins heads into the city, having pushed a couple things to master. 17:56 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9005' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=92bdb7367795445a2a211e116cdb1d6dd59d5ce7> / Bug 8919 - ExtendedPatronAttributes not populated from LDAP <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=24125d4be39a3b6f19b1b0ae3f51855575a01759> / Bug 9005: Allow user to disable syspref cache <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff 17:57 chris_n tcohen: many of them seem to be missing zebra install sections (for those using git or tarball) 17:58 tcohen on ubuntu instructions it is implied by the use of dpkg --set-selections 17:58 tcohen and the fact that idzebra is official in universe repos (which is a default) 17:58 chris_n ahh, I missed that 17:58 tcohen i'm sure on debian is the same 18:00 tcohen we only need to push bug 8519 and remove any reference to zebra weird indexing stuff on the instructions 18:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8519 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Make koha-index-daemon run on startup 18:00 tcohen (just the symlinks :-P) 18:10 chris_n weirdness: # Error: Can't locate ZOOM.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/cnighswonger/Repositories/koha.3.2.labels/ /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) 18:10 chris_n yet: /usr/lib/perl5/ZOOM.pm 18:30 rangi Morning 18:30 wahanui Morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast 18:32 rangi Yep stats is looking at apache logs, download has nginx in front serving the actual files, apache is just doing the page itself 18:33 rangi So its all the same ip to apache and it's not counting the downloads themselves anyway 18:37 cait1 good morning rangi :) 18:40 rangi I dunno if awstats understands nginx logs ill try and see 18:48 mtj morning #koha, hiya rangi 18:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #934: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/934/ 18:51 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 8805 - Add a biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl for NORMARC 18:51 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8784 - Missing files in debian.packages list 18:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8805 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Add a biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl for NORMARC 18:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8784 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Missing files in debian.packages list 18:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #935 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:53 jcamins_away rangi: okay, that makes sense. 18:53 jcamins_away Maybe we should stick a note on that says "this does not include downloads" or something. 18:54 rangi I'll see if I can get it using the nginx logs first 18:54 jcamins_away Thanks. 18:55 rangi If I can't I'd rather remove it than put a note I think 19:04 tcohen farewell zebraqueue-daemon 19:04 jcamins_away tcohen: yay! :) 19:11 oleonard jcamins_away: Is bug 8484 a non-starter at this point for you? Or did bag's comment change your mind? 19:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8484 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to choose if lost items are removed from a borrowers record. 19:12 jcamins_away If the patch doesn't remove any functionality, I'm comfortable with it. 19:12 * oleonard will test in that case. 19:13 jcamins_away (where "functionality" includes "consistency") 19:14 oleonard ...Although I don't understand how the process works for libraries that want this. The item is made lost, the patron pays for it, and then... The items stays on their card forever? The item is manually checked in later? 19:17 oleonard Hm, if I just paid that fine why does it still show up on the patron's screen? 19:20 oleonard melia++ # for patch-testing! 19:21 melia thanks! yours are easy to test, oleonard. you write great test plans :) 19:22 oleonard I've been trying hard to do so, since it gives me more latitude to demand them from others ;) 19:30 rangi back 19:31 oleonard I need a sanity check. I'm marking an checked-out item lost, paying the fine, and finding that Koha still thinks the patron owes the fine. Can someone else try it? 19:33 rangi eew regression 19:54 chris_n should 'prove t' result in failed tests due to non-mandatory packages *not* being installed? 19:54 jcamins_away No. 19:54 jcamins_away All packages required for tests in t/ should be required, period. 19:55 pastebot "chris_n" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "cnighswonger@cnighswonger-dt:~" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/262 19:55 rangi yep 19:55 chris_n so memcached foo is not required, right? 19:56 rangi in that case i think 00-load.t 19:56 rangi should not be testing Koha::Cache::Memcached 19:56 jcamins_away It shouldn't be. We shoudl adjust 00-load. 19:56 rangi because that is definitely optional 19:56 jcamins_away 00-load should not be testing Koha::Cache::* 19:56 rangi yeah 19:56 pastebot "chris_n" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "cnighswonger@cnighswonger-dt:~" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/263 19:57 chris_n so bug? 19:57 rangi yep 19:57 rangi if you look at t/00-load.t 19:57 rangi you will see it's a simple fix 19:58 * chris_n wonders why jenkins has not caught it? 19:58 rangi it has all modules installed 19:58 rangi cos it runs all the tests 19:58 rangi not just t/ 19:58 jcamins_away And the packages install all recommended packages, too. 19:59 chris_n it might be nice to have tests of a default install or require all recommended packages 19:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #935: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/935/ 19:59 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 9005: Allow user to disable syspref cache 19:59 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 8919 - ExtendedPatronAttributes not populated from LDAP 19:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9005 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Changing sysprefs requires restart under Plack 19:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8919 critical, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , ExtendedPatronAttributes not populated from LDAP 20:00 chris_n I'll fix the test 20:02 jcamins_away Thanks. 20:02 jcamins_away If we had an automated way to get a list of only required packages, I could easily add it to my build test. 20:03 jcamins_away But koha_perl_deps gives me only the names of the modules. 20:04 chris_n I'm sure package names could be easily added 20:04 chris_n it's just a hash iirc 20:04 jcamins_away Ooh. 20:04 jcamins_away That's an intriguing idea. 20:05 chris_n resurrecting a repo and dev install is not for the faint of heart :P 20:05 jcamins_away Resurrecting? 20:05 jcamins_away What happened to it? 20:05 chris_n yup, and an additional switch could produce package names instead of module names 20:05 chris_n it was on a HDD from my old system 20:06 chris_n I'm attempting to move it over intact 20:08 chris_n jcamins_away: I'll look at the package thing too while I'm mucking around 20:10 jcamins_away That might be nice. mtompset wrote a script to generate that, but if we could centralize, I would like that. 20:11 jcamins_away Especially if we could do it in a way that makes it possible to store RPM/AUR package names, too. 20:11 chris_n so what part of this vimrc do I change to rid myself of all the '^I' : http://paste.koha-community.org/264 20:11 * chris_n gives up trying 20:12 jcamins_away set expandtab 20:12 chris_n jcamins_away: it should be trivial to do 20:12 chris_n ahh 20:12 chris_n tnx 20:12 chris_n I owe you some chocolate 20:12 jcamins_away :) 20:13 chris_n argh 20:13 chris_n they're still there :-P 20:13 jcamins_away Yeah, vim does not automatically replace tabs with four spaces everywhere. 20:13 jcamins_away Unlike Emacs, which massacres every file you open. 20:14 rangi i call bs 20:14 chris_n so are we using tabs or spaces now, and how many 20:14 rangi maybe your emacs does that 20:14 jcamins_away rangi: I know. 20:14 rangi mine doesnt 20:14 jcamins_away I don't use Emacs, and libsysguy is never going to live down the time he reindented most of the Koha codebase. 20:15 chris_n anyone remember the "brief" line editor? 20:15 jcamins_away chris_n: we're using 4 tabs. 20:15 libsysguy okay really 20:15 libsysguy first you summon me 20:15 chris_n 4 tabs! 20:15 libsysguy then you insult my favorite editor 20:15 jcamins_away Spaces. 20:15 jcamins_away Sorry. 20:15 libsysguy what is this board coming to 20:15 libsysguy lol 20:15 libsysguy yeah make sure they are spaces and not tabs or paul_p will stab you in the eye 20:16 * chris_n is going to rip out these tabs then 20:16 chris_n :retab to the rescue 20:16 libsysguy M-x untabify 20:16 jcamins_away M-x giveusreasonstomakefunofthejuniorQAA :P 20:16 rangi but do not put spaces in the history.txt that is a tab seperated file ... ill stab you if you do that ;) 20:17 * rangi has fixed that a bunch of times now 20:17 cait1 but we don#t use tabs... 20:17 cait1 we use 4 spaces.. :P 20:17 chris_n so can't we add editor directives to the tops of our files? 20:17 jcamins_away cait1: except in the history fire, which is a tab-separated CSV. 20:17 jcamins_away *file 20:18 chris_n jcamins_away: retab is it 20:18 chris_n After the 'expandtab' option is set, all the new tab characters entered will be changed to spaces. This will not affect the existing tab characters. 20:19 jcamins_away Right. I thought you were trying to prevent your typing from creating new tabby abominations. 20:19 jcamins_away (as opposed to tabby cats, which we like) 20:19 * chris_n is persecuting existing tabby abominations 20:19 * libsysguy prefers tabs 20:19 libsysguy because I'm lazy 20:19 chris_n I'll submit two patches then 20:20 * chris_n thought tab was something you drink 20:20 jcamins_away I think sometime in 2007 or something like that someone went through and removed all the editor definitions. rangi might know why. 20:20 jcamins_away ? 20:20 jcamins_away *? 20:20 * jcamins_away is not used to this keyboard. 20:21 chris_n do we have a bug for general style cleanup? 20:21 jcamins_away I'm not sure, actually. 20:21 rangi cos they were kados? 20:22 jcamins_away rangi: but why would he do something like that? Or is it just a mystery? 20:22 chris_n sounds likely 20:23 rangi why would he fork, and cause me to have to read and write affadavits? 20:23 rangi there's no understanding that guy 20:23 oleonard That's for sure. 20:23 rangi or the people who copy his madness and perpetuate it 20:23 cait1 what are those removed editor statements? 20:24 chris_n they tell your editor what style to use 20:24 rangi and are harmless to everything else 20:24 chris_n it appears there is not bug for general style improvements/fixes 20:25 * chris_n will add one 20:26 chris_n bug 9037 20:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9037 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Catch-all enhancement for coding style improvements and fixes 20:26 mtj chris_n, Bug 7119 20:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7119 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Code cleaning & improvements omnibus 20:26 chris_n ugh 20:27 cait1 chris_n/rangi: thx :) 20:27 chris_n so much for a working search 20:27 chris_n needs keywords 20:27 mtj chris_n, yeah 20:28 mtj chris_n, Bug 7119 20:28 chris_n yup 20:28 chris_n just marked mine as a duplicate 20:29 chris_n what a rough way to get keywords in ;-) 20:29 mtj heh, no, im waiting for huginn to reload the bug title…. 20:29 chris_n ahh 20:30 mtj (i just stuffed more keywords in the title) 20:31 mtj oooh, i just spotted the keywords field :) 20:31 chris_n cool 20:36 rangi melia++ 20:36 rangi 9 signoffs for november so far 20:36 melia I'm gonna win, rangi! :) 20:36 rangi hehe 20:36 melia until you guys do the weekend thing anyway... 20:38 oleonard Bug 7671 is the cause of the fine-paying regression. 20:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7671 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Master , add a real primary key "accountlinesid" in accountlines 20:38 cait1 melia: do you speak german? I have some easy patches waiting for sign-off ;) 20:38 oleonard And that bisect was pain in the ass. 20:38 chris_n so are we still sending patches to the list? or just git-bz'ing them to bz? 20:38 cait1 oleonard: ouch. 20:38 cait1 but good catch 20:38 jcamins_away chris_n: both. 20:38 jcamins_away Use git-bz -m 20:39 melia I don't speak German. sorry cait1. if it were in Spanish, maybe! 20:39 cait1 melia: it's ok :) 20:39 oleonard File a new bug about the regression or add a comment to the existing bug? 20:40 jcamins_away File a new bug. 20:40 cait1 hm, maybe a new one and link? 20:40 jcamins_away I've decided I don't like comments on existing bugs. 20:40 jcamins_away They're a lot easier to miss. 20:40 rangi yep 20:40 cait1 ... and he is rm :) 20:40 rangi i think once its pushed 20:41 rangi new bug 20:41 rangi up until its pushed comments on the bug 20:41 jcamins_away Right. 20:41 jcamins_away But a lot of people comment on bugs after they've been pushed. 20:41 rangi yep 20:42 jcamins_away That's why we're closing scads of bugs on the release of 3.10. 20:42 cait1 jcamins_away: is it easy to generate release notes? I would like to take a look at a list of the features and bugs for testing purposes 20:43 jcamins_away Very. 20:43 jcamins_away Clone the release-tools repo. 20:44 jcamins_away cd ~/kohaclone; ~/release-tools/get_bugs.pl -t v3.08.00; vim misc/release_notes/release_notes_3_9_0.txt 20:44 jcamins_away I may have that file name slightly off. 20:44 jcamins_away But still. 20:44 jcamins_away Easy. 20:44 rangi bug 8872 20:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8872 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improve encoding for xslt files, showmarc and opac-showmarc 20:44 rangi that looks like a candidate for 3.8.x to me 20:45 jcamins_away Yes. 20:45 jcamins_away Definitely. 20:45 cait1 jcamins_away: I will try, adding repo now 20:46 jcamins_away I generated it many times this morning while editing the file. 20:46 jcamins_away *script 20:47 oleonard Bug 9038 20:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9038 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Paying fines doesn't work 20:47 cait1 jcamins_away: ah 20:47 cait1 jcamins_away: can I send a patch for it? 20:47 jcamins_away Yes. 20:47 cait1 because we don't have a hyphen really 20:48 cait1 BSZ BW 20:48 cait1 or only BSZ, but no - 20:48 chris_n t/Cache_Memcached.t also requires memcached; fixing it too 20:49 jcamins_away In gitdm/domain-map? 20:49 cait1 yep 20:50 jcamins_away Fixed. 20:50 cait1 awesome thx 20:50 cait1 jcamins++ 20:50 cait1 ok, now trying to make release notes :) 20:53 chris_n so shouldn't we put tests for optional modules into a separate dir? 20:53 chris_n like db tests are? 20:54 jcamins_away chris_n: that's a good idea. 20:54 chris_n ie. t/Cache_Memcached.t 20:54 oleonard Aaaaand that's why I needed a sanity check. 20:54 oleonard Because I was crazy. 20:54 cait1 hm? 20:55 cait1 you didn#t seem crazy to me 20:55 chris_n depends on your standard of crazy 20:55 cait1 ah right... might be my perspective 20:55 oleonard And by crazy, I mean my database hadn't been updated when bug 7671 was pushed. 20:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7671 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Master , add a real primary key "accountlinesid" in accountlines 20:55 cait1 oleonard: that does not sound good 20:56 jcamins_away oleonard: do you have an accountlines.id column? 20:56 oleonard I reset my version number and the update happened correctly. I assume that means it got lost in the shuffle 20:56 oleonard I do now jcamins_away 20:57 jcamins_away Ah, no, I'm wondering about a column called "id" in the accountlines table. 20:57 jcamins_away That patch added a column called "accountlinesid." 20:58 oleonard No, I don't have accountlines.id 20:59 cait I won't miss my dad's bad internet connection 20:59 jcamins_away Okay. Just wondering. 21:01 oleonard Guh, I think that's enough for today. 21:01 cait jcamins_away: it worked perfectly, thx for the hints 21:01 cait and btw, you are not really away :) 21:01 cait oleonard++ 21:01 rangi jcamins_away: how far are you away from 96th in rockaway? 21:01 jcamins_away rangi: pretty far. Especially since there's no train service out to Rockaway. 21:01 jcamins_away Why? 21:01 rangi my brother in law manages http://robertaspizza.com/ 21:02 rangi he has a stocked up van, needs a driver to drive out there to hand out food 21:02 rangi (from roberta's to 96th that is) 21:02 rangi just was wondering if you were anywhere near there 21:02 jcamins_away Ah. Nope. 21:04 * cait gets hypnotized by pizza 21:04 cait http://robertas.tumblr.com/ 21:04 rangi lol 21:04 jcamins_away lol 21:04 rangi they do do great food 21:04 rangi course im biased 21:05 rangi https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/9252_10152238110110724_680090078_n.jpg 21:06 rangi the purricane 21:06 cait jcamins: release notes look great - did you do the sub headings from bug categories? 21:06 jcamins_away cait: no, that was Paul's change this morning. 21:07 cait ah ok 21:07 cait was wondering how the highlights get sleected 21:07 cait because those seem to be bugs 21:07 cait and not new features 21:07 jcamins_away Critical and blockers. 21:07 cait that doesn't seem ideal to me 21:07 maximep aaaaaaah what a nice day... had fun with bug 4054. 3 hours to find that :/ 21:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4054 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , Double-clicking the 'place hold' button can result in duplicate holds 21:07 jcamins_away The idea was supposed to be "Fixed these problems." 21:07 cait hm no major too 21:07 cait 8395 major order receive not sorting right 21:08 jcamins_away Blocker, critical, and major, I guess. 21:08 cait hmm 21:09 Manderson Hi all - can someone tell me if the raw MARC record is stored in a table inside the koha database? 21:09 jcamins_away Manderson: yes it is. It's in biblioitems. However... 21:09 jcamins_away first question? 21:09 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 21:11 Manderson We have some custom scripts and software that operate on the raw marc record and I want to ensure that we can still operate with those. 21:11 Manderson We're on a Voyager system right now and I am evaluating Koha as a viable alternative 21:11 rangi read only scripts? 21:11 Manderson Yes 21:12 rangi that will be fine then 21:12 jcamins_away Then, yeah, that'll work fine. 21:12 rangi just don't go changing stuff without using the api 21:12 jcamins_away If you want to edit records, you need to use the API, though. 21:12 rangi *snap* 21:12 rangi Manderson: biblioitems.marc and biblioitems.marcxml 21:12 jcamins_away rangi and I are in agreement on this. 21:13 rangi depending on what format you want it in 21:13 Manderson thanks guys! 21:13 rangi however 21:13 rangi that does not contain itemdata 21:13 rangi ie holdings 21:14 rangi if you want the item level info too 21:14 rangi you need to call GetMarcBiblio 21:14 rangi off the top of my head 21:14 Manderson Biblioitems doesn't contain item information? 21:14 jcamins_away Right. 21:14 rangi nope 21:14 Manderson that seems a bit misleading :P 21:15 jcamins_away Koha used to have FRBR. 21:15 jcamins_away So there was a biblio, a biblioitem, and an item. 21:15 jcamins_away It lost that when it started using MARC, but not the table names. 21:16 Manderson So, I am just guessing that when a bib is imported, it gets parsed and put into biblioitem and biblios? 21:16 jcamins_away Right. 21:16 Manderson and when it's updated, there are triggers to go back and update those tables too? 21:16 jcamins_away Yes. 21:16 jcamins_away But they're not database-level. 21:17 jcamins_away That's why you *must* use the API. 21:17 Manderson Perl level? 21:17 jcamins_away Yes. 21:17 Manderson Fair enough... 21:17 Manderson Thanks for explanation 21:17 jcamins_away Also, the marcxml and marc fields should be kept in sync or bad things happen. 21:17 Manderson BTW, I was successful in my test for checking out, checking in, adding and searching for bibs on my red hat installation 21:18 jcamins_away Which points to using the API which takes care of that for you. 21:18 jcamins_away Hooray! 21:18 jcamins_away Did you take notes? 21:18 Manderson I have notes, and plan to write them up on the Wiki 21:18 jcamins_away Hooray! 21:18 jcamins_away Manderson++ 21:19 Manderson I am no red hat guru though, so I won't be able to do any RPMs 21:19 Manderson :( 21:20 jcamins_away You could learn! 21:20 * chris_n heads out 21:20 jcamins_away I didn't know anything about Debian packaging a year ago, and now I know a lot. :) 21:20 jcamins_away ;) 21:21 Manderson I've DONE them before...but I am far from well-versed in Red Hat. I am a Solaris admin 21:22 jcamins_away Probably a wise decision to try to install Koha on Red Hat before Solaris. 21:23 rangi ive had it going on solaris 21:23 rangi its not that bad 21:24 rangi in terms of proprietary pieces of crap OSes anyway :) 21:24 Manderson I have to say that sometimes, even thought it can be a pain in the ass, Solaris has never let me down in terms of reliablity. 21:25 eythian hi 21:25 wahanui privet, eythian 21:25 rangi give oracle time 21:25 rangi they'll fix it's reliability too 21:25 jcamins_away lol 21:25 Manderson *shutter* 21:25 Manderson Yeah, they'll fix it REEEEAAALLL GOOD 21:26 Manderson By making it a pay-for option 21:26 jcamins_away Stability? 21:26 wahanui Stability is due to db upgrade 21:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #224 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:55 claire Hi #koha 21:56 rangi hi claire 21:58 claire rangi, there's this mesage software error: when I try to view details for a patron. 21:58 claire The 'month' parameter ("0") to DateTime::new did not pass the 'an integer between 1 and 12' callback at /usr/lib/perl5/DateTime.pm line 194 21:58 rangi what version of koha? 21:59 claire those are the first two lines 21:59 rangi most likely the person has either an invalid date of birth 21:59 claire 3.8 21:59 rangi or expiry 21:59 rangi 3.8.x? 21:59 wahanui i think 3.8.x is missing 7805 21:59 rangi 3.8.6 ? 21:59 claire 3.8.4 22:00 rangi either way, its probably to do with bad data fro that patron, the have 00 as a month 22:00 rangi how did you create the patron? 22:01 rangi hi wizzyrea 22:01 claire I'll check that but there are two patrons so far I have came across with the same problem 22:01 rangi yep 22:01 rangi how did you create them? 22:02 claire create what? 22:02 rangi the patrons 22:02 rangi if it was a data import id suspect that munged the dates 22:03 rangi it will be one of the dates, expiry, birth 22:03 claire using new patron 22:03 rangi registration 22:03 rangi or it could be one of the issues has a bad date 22:03 claire okay 22:04 rangi some date to do with that patron has gotten 00 as a month 22:05 rangi its quite likely its 0000-00-00 in the db 22:05 claire how can I deal with the issue? 22:06 rangi you have to find the invalid date, and fix it 22:06 claire The date of birth of that particular patron is written as 15/07/1982 22:07 rangi it wont be that then 22:07 rangi ive never seen this error except from an import, or from someone changing things in the database 22:08 rangi do you have db access? id do 22:08 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #224: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/224/ 22:08 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Add UTF-8 encoding to intranet xslt files 22:08 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872 Add UTF-8 encoding to opac xslt files 22:08 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Changes for opac-showmarc 22:08 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Changes for intranet showmarc 22:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8872 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Improve encoding for xslt files, showmarc and opac-showmarc 22:08 rangi select * from borrowers where cardnumber=enter_their_cardnumber_here 22:09 claire yes 22:09 claire the tabs from fines down to notices are working but not check out and details 22:10 rangi if details its most likely date of expiry 22:10 rangi that query in the db will show you 22:10 rangi you can do that in reports too 22:10 rangi if you dont have db access 22:10 claire its details and check out that gives error message 22:11 rangi yes 22:11 claire also I there was any error when I tried apt-get update 22:14 claire there' this error when run apt-get update: 22:14 claire Encountered a section with no Package: header 22:14 claire Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_squeeze_updates_contrib_i18n_Translation-en 22:14 claire The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. 22:14 claire rangi, those are the errors when I update 22:15 eythian that's not a Koha related error, you'll have to get your sysadmin to look into it. 22:15 mtj ^^ what he said 22:15 eythian it's also not related to your DataTime error. 22:16 eythian *DateTime 22:16 claire okay... 23:56 rangi chris_n: are you about? 23:58 eythian wahanui: php 23:58 wahanui php is like perl, not the other way around ;) 23:59 eythian wahanui: php is also http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ 23:59 wahanui okay, eythian.