Time  Nick           Message
23:59 wahanui        okay, eythian.
23:59 eythian        wahanui: php is also http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
23:58 wahanui        php is like perl, not the other way around ;)
23:58 eythian        wahanui: php
23:56 rangi          chris_n: are you about?
22:16 claire         okay...
22:16 eythian        *DateTime
22:15 eythian        it's also not related to your DataTime error.
22:15 mtj            ^^ what he said
22:15 eythian        that's not a Koha related error, you'll have to get your sysadmin to look into it.
22:14 claire         rangi, those are the errors when I update
22:14 claire         The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
22:14 claire         Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_squeeze_updates_contrib_i18n_Translation-en
22:14 claire         Encountered a section with no Package: header
22:14 claire         there' this error when run apt-get update:
22:11 claire         also I there was any error when I tried apt-get update
22:11 rangi          yes
22:10 claire         its details and check out that gives error message
22:10 rangi          if you dont have db access
22:10 rangi          you can do that in reports too
22:10 rangi          that query in the db will show you
22:10 rangi          if details its most likely date of expiry
22:09 claire         the tabs from fines down to notices are working but not check out and details
22:09 claire         yes
22:08 rangi          select * from borrowers where cardnumber=enter_their_cardnumber_here
22:08 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8872 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Improve encoding for xslt files, showmarc and opac-showmarc
22:08 jenkins_koha   * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Changes for intranet showmarc
22:08 jenkins_koha   * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Changes for opac-showmarc
22:08 jenkins_koha   * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872 Add UTF-8 encoding to opac xslt files
22:08 jenkins_koha   * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Add UTF-8 encoding to intranet xslt files
22:08 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #224: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/224/
22:08 rangi          do you have db access? id do
22:07 rangi          ive never seen this error except from an import, or from someone changing things in the database
22:07 rangi          it wont be that then
22:06 claire         The date of birth of that particular patron is written as 15/07/1982
22:06 rangi          you have to find the invalid date, and fix it
22:05 claire         how can I deal with the issue?
22:05 rangi          its quite likely its 0000-00-00 in the db
22:04 rangi          some date to do with that patron has gotten 00 as a month
22:03 claire         okay
22:03 rangi          or it could be one of the issues has a bad date
22:03 rangi          registration
22:03 claire         using new patron
22:03 rangi          it will be one of the dates, expiry, birth
22:02 rangi          if it was a data import id suspect that munged the dates
22:02 rangi          the patrons
22:02 claire         create what?
22:01 rangi          how did you create them?
22:01 rangi          yep
22:01 claire         I'll check that but there are two patrons so far I have came across with the same problem
22:01 rangi          hi wizzyrea
22:00 rangi          how did you create the patron?
22:00 rangi          either way, its probably to do with bad data fro that patron, the have 00 as a month
21:59 claire         3.8.4
21:59 rangi          3.8.6 ?
21:59 wahanui        i think 3.8.x is missing 7805
21:59 rangi          3.8.x?
21:59 rangi          or expiry
21:59 claire         3.8
21:59 rangi          most likely the person has either an invalid date of birth
21:59 claire         those are the first two lines
21:58 rangi          what version of koha?
21:58 claire         The 'month' parameter ("0") to DateTime::new did not pass the 'an integer between 1 and 12' callback  at /usr/lib/perl5/DateTime.pm line 194
21:58 claire         rangi, there's this mesage software error: when I try to view details for a patron.
21:56 rangi          hi claire
21:55 claire         Hi #koha
21:28 jenkins_koha   Starting build #224 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:26 wahanui        Stability is due to db upgrade
21:26 jcamins_away   Stability?
21:26 Manderson      By making it a pay-for option
21:25 Manderson      Yeah, they'll fix it REEEEAAALLL GOOD
21:25 Manderson      *shutter*
21:25 jcamins_away   lol
21:25 rangi          they'll fix it's reliability too
21:25 rangi          give oracle time
21:25 wahanui        privet, eythian
21:25 eythian        hi
21:24 Manderson      I have to say that sometimes, even thought it can be a pain in the ass, Solaris has never let me down in terms of reliablity.
21:24 rangi          in terms of proprietary pieces of crap OSes anyway :)
21:23 rangi          its not that bad
21:23 rangi          ive had it going on solaris
21:22 jcamins_away   Probably a wise decision to try to install Koha on Red Hat before Solaris.
21:21 Manderson      I've DONE them before...but I am far from well-versed in Red Hat. I am a Solaris admin
21:20 jcamins_away   ;)
21:20 jcamins_away   I didn't know anything about Debian packaging a year ago, and now I know a lot. :)
21:20 * chris_n      heads out
21:20 jcamins_away   You could learn!
21:19 Manderson      :(
21:19 Manderson      I am no red hat guru though, so I won't be able to do any RPMs
21:18 jcamins_away   Manderson++
21:18 jcamins_away   Hooray!
21:18 Manderson      I have notes, and plan to write them up on the Wiki
21:18 jcamins_away   Did you take notes?
21:18 jcamins_away   Hooray!
21:18 jcamins_away   Which points to using the API which takes care of that for you.
21:17 Manderson      BTW, I was successful in my test for checking out, checking in, adding and searching for bibs on my red hat installation
21:17 jcamins_away   Also, the marcxml and marc fields should be kept in sync or bad things happen.
21:17 Manderson      Thanks for explanation
21:17 Manderson      Fair enough...
21:17 jcamins_away   Yes.
21:17 Manderson      Perl level?
21:17 jcamins_away   That's why you *must* use the API.
21:16 jcamins_away   But they're not database-level.
21:16 jcamins_away   Yes.
21:16 Manderson      and when it's updated, there are triggers to go back and update those tables too?
21:16 jcamins_away   Right.
21:16 Manderson      So, I am just guessing that when a bib is imported, it gets parsed and put into biblioitem and biblios?
21:15 jcamins_away   It lost that when it started using MARC, but not the table names.
21:15 jcamins_away   So there was a biblio, a biblioitem, and an item.
21:15 jcamins_away   Koha used to have FRBR.
21:14 Manderson      that seems a bit misleading :P
21:14 rangi          nope
21:14 jcamins_away   Right.
21:14 Manderson      Biblioitems doesn't contain item information?
21:14 rangi          off the top of my head
21:14 rangi          you need to call GetMarcBiblio
21:14 rangi          if you want the item level info too
21:13 rangi          ie holdings
21:13 rangi          that does not contain itemdata
21:13 rangi          however
21:13 Manderson      thanks guys!
21:13 rangi          depending on what format you want it in
21:12 jcamins_away   rangi and I are in agreement on this.
21:12 rangi          Manderson: biblioitems.marc and biblioitems.marcxml
21:12 rangi          *snap*
21:12 jcamins_away   If you want to edit records, you need to use the API, though.
21:12 rangi          just don't go changing stuff without using the api
21:12 jcamins_away   Then, yeah, that'll work fine.
21:12 rangi          that will be fine then
21:11 Manderson      Yes
21:11 rangi          read only scripts?
21:11 Manderson      We're on a Voyager system right now and I am evaluating Koha as a viable alternative
21:11 Manderson      We have some custom scripts and software that operate on the raw marc record and I want to ensure that we can still operate with those.
21:09 wahanui        "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
21:09 jcamins_away   first question?
21:09 jcamins_away   Manderson: yes it is. It's in biblioitems. However...
21:09 Manderson      Hi all - can someone tell me if the raw MARC record is stored in a table inside the koha database?
21:08 cait           hmm
21:08 jcamins_away   Blocker, critical, and major, I guess.
21:07 cait           8395	major	order receive not sorting right
21:07 cait           hm no major too
21:07 jcamins_away   The idea was supposed to be "Fixed these problems."
21:07 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4054 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , Double-clicking the 'place hold' button can result in duplicate holds
21:07 maximep        aaaaaaah what a nice day... had fun with bug 4054. 3 hours to find that :/
21:07 cait           that doesn't seem ideal to me
21:07 jcamins_away   Critical and blockers.
21:07 cait           and not new features
21:07 cait           because those seem to be bugs
21:07 cait           was wondering how the highlights get sleected
21:07 cait           ah ok
21:06 jcamins_away   cait: no, that was Paul's change this morning.
21:06 cait           jcamins: release notes look great - did you do the sub headings from bug categories?
21:06 rangi          the purricane
21:05 rangi          https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/9252_10152238110110724_680090078_n.jpg
21:04 rangi          course im biased
21:04 rangi          they do do great food
21:04 jcamins_away   lol
21:04 rangi          lol
21:04 cait           http://robertas.tumblr.com/
21:04 * cait         gets hypnotized by pizza
21:02 jcamins_away   Ah. Nope.
21:02 rangi          just was wondering if you were anywhere near there
21:02 rangi          (from roberta's to 96th that is)
21:02 rangi          he has a stocked up van, needs a driver to drive out there to hand out food
21:01 rangi          my brother in law manages http://robertaspizza.com/
21:01 jcamins_away   Why?
21:01 jcamins_away   rangi: pretty far. Especially since there's no train service out to Rockaway.
21:01 rangi          jcamins_away: how far are you away from 96th in rockaway?
21:01 cait           oleonard++
21:01 cait           and btw, you are not really away :)
21:01 cait           jcamins_away: it worked perfectly, thx for the hints
21:01 oleonard       Guh, I think that's enough for today.
20:59 jcamins_away   Okay. Just wondering.
20:59 cait           I won't miss my dad's bad internet connection
20:58 oleonard       No, I don't have accountlines.id
20:57 jcamins_away   That patch added a column called "accountlinesid."
20:57 jcamins_away   Ah, no, I'm wondering about a column called "id" in the accountlines table.
20:56 oleonard       I do now jcamins_away
20:56 oleonard       I reset my version number and the update happened correctly. I assume that means it got lost in the shuffle
20:56 jcamins_away   oleonard: do you have an accountlines.id column?
20:55 cait1          oleonard: that does  not sound good
20:55 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7671 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Master , add a real primary key "accountlinesid" in accountlines
20:55 oleonard       And by crazy, I mean my database hadn't been updated when bug 7671 was pushed.
20:55 cait1          ah right... might be my perspective
20:55 chris_n        depends on your standard of crazy
20:55 cait1          you didn#t seem crazy to me
20:54 cait1          hm?
20:54 oleonard       Because I was crazy.
20:54 oleonard       Aaaaand that's why I needed a sanity check.
20:54 chris_n        ie. t/Cache_Memcached.t
20:54 jcamins_away   chris_n: that's a good idea.
20:53 chris_n        like db tests are?
20:53 chris_n        so shouldn't we put tests for optional modules into a separate dir?
20:50 cait1          ok, now trying to make release notes :)
20:50 cait1          jcamins++
20:50 cait1          awesome thx
20:50 jcamins_away   Fixed.
20:49 cait1          yep
20:49 jcamins_away   In gitdm/domain-map?
20:48 chris_n        t/Cache_Memcached.t also requires memcached; fixing it too
20:48 cait1          or only BSZ, but no -
20:48 cait1          BSZ BW
20:47 cait1          because we don't have a hyphen really
20:47 jcamins_away   Yes.
20:47 cait1          jcamins_away: can I send a patch for it?
20:47 cait1          jcamins_away: ah
20:47 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9038 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Paying fines doesn't work
20:47 oleonard       Bug 9038
20:46 jcamins_away   *script
20:46 jcamins_away   I generated it many times this morning while editing the file.
20:45 cait1          jcamins_away: I will try, adding repo now
20:45 jcamins_away   Definitely.
20:45 jcamins_away   Yes.
20:44 rangi          that looks like a candidate for 3.8.x to me
20:44 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8872 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improve encoding for xslt files, showmarc and opac-showmarc
20:44 rangi          bug 8872
20:44 jcamins_away   Easy.
20:44 jcamins_away   But still.
20:44 jcamins_away   I may have that file name slightly off.
20:44 jcamins_away   cd ~/kohaclone; ~/release-tools/get_bugs.pl -t v3.08.00; vim misc/release_notes/release_notes_3_9_0.txt
20:43 jcamins_away   Clone the release-tools repo.
20:43 jcamins_away   Very.
20:42 cait1          jcamins_away: is it easy to generate release notes? I would like to take a look at a list of the features and bugs for testing purposes
20:42 jcamins_away   That's why we're closing scads of bugs on the release of 3.10.
20:41 rangi          yep
20:41 jcamins_away   But a lot of people comment on bugs after they've been pushed.
20:41 jcamins_away   Right.
20:41 rangi          up until its pushed comments on the bug
20:41 rangi          new bug
20:40 rangi          i think once its pushed
20:40 cait1          ... and he is rm :)
20:40 rangi          yep
20:40 jcamins_away   They're a lot easier to miss.
20:40 jcamins_away   I've decided I don't like comments on existing bugs.
20:40 cait1          hm, maybe a new one and link?
20:40 jcamins_away   File a new bug.
20:39 oleonard       File a new bug about the regression or add a comment to the existing bug?
20:39 cait1          melia: it's ok :)
20:39 melia          I don't speak German. sorry cait1. if it were in Spanish, maybe!
20:38 jcamins_away   Use git-bz -m
20:38 jcamins_away   chris_n: both.
20:38 cait1          but good catch
20:38 cait1          oleonard: ouch.
20:38 chris_n        so are we still sending patches to the list? or just git-bz'ing them to bz?
20:38 oleonard       And that bisect was pain in the ass.
20:38 cait1          melia: do you speak german? I have some easy patches waiting for sign-off ;)
20:38 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7671 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Master , add a real primary key "accountlinesid" in accountlines
20:38 oleonard       Bug 7671 is the cause of the fine-paying regression.
20:36 melia          until you guys do the weekend thing anyway...
20:36 rangi          hehe
20:36 melia          I'm gonna win, rangi! :)
20:36 rangi          9 signoffs for november so far
20:36 rangi          melia++
20:31 chris_n        cool
20:31 mtj            oooh, i just spotted the keywords field  :)
20:30 mtj            (i just stuffed more keywords in the title)
20:29 chris_n        ahh
20:29 mtj            heh, no, im waiting for huginn to reload the bug title….
20:29 chris_n        what a rough way to get keywords in ;-)
20:28 chris_n        just marked mine as a duplicate
20:28 chris_n        yup
20:28 mtj            chris_n, Bug 7119
20:27 mtj            chris_n, yeah
20:27 chris_n        needs keywords
20:27 chris_n        so much for a working search
20:27 cait1          chris_n/rangi: thx :)
20:26 chris_n        ugh
20:26 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7119 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Code cleaning & improvements omnibus
20:26 mtj            chris_n, Bug 7119
20:26 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9037 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Catch-all enhancement for coding style improvements and fixes
20:26 chris_n        bug 9037
20:25 * chris_n      will add one
20:24 chris_n        it appears there is not bug for general style improvements/fixes
20:24 rangi          and are harmless to everything else
20:24 chris_n        they tell your editor what style to use
20:23 cait1          what are those removed editor statements?
20:23 rangi          or the people who copy his madness and perpetuate it
20:23 oleonard       That's for sure.
20:23 rangi          there's no understanding that guy
20:23 rangi          why would he fork, and cause me to have to read and write affadavits?
20:22 chris_n        sounds likely
20:22 jcamins_away   rangi: but why would he do something like that? Or is it just a mystery?
20:21 rangi          cos they were kados?
20:21 jcamins_away   I'm not sure, actually.
20:21 chris_n        do we have a bug for general style cleanup?
20:20 * jcamins_away is not used to this keyboard.
20:20 jcamins_away   *?
20:20 jcamins_away   ?
20:20 jcamins_away   I think sometime in 2007 or something like that someone went through and removed all the editor definitions. rangi might know why.
20:20 * chris_n      thought tab was something you drink
20:19 chris_n        I'll submit two patches then
20:19 libsysguy      because I'm lazy
20:19 * libsysguy    prefers tabs
20:19 * chris_n      is persecuting existing tabby abominations
20:19 jcamins_away   (as opposed to tabby cats, which we like)
20:19 jcamins_away   Right. I thought you were trying to prevent your typing from creating new tabby abominations.
20:18 chris_n        After the 'expandtab' option is set, all the new tab characters entered will be changed to spaces. This will not affect the existing tab characters.
20:18 chris_n        jcamins_away: retab is it
20:17 jcamins_away   *file
20:17 jcamins_away   cait1: except in the history fire, which is a tab-separated CSV.
20:17 chris_n        so can't we add editor directives to the tops of our files?
20:17 cait1          we use 4 spaces.. :P
20:17 cait1          but we don#t use tabs...
20:17 * rangi        has fixed that a bunch of times now
20:16 rangi          but do not put spaces in the history.txt that is a tab seperated file ... ill stab you if you do that ;)
20:16 jcamins_away   M-x giveusreasonstomakefunofthejuniorQAA :P
20:16 libsysguy      M-x untabify
20:16 chris_n        :retab to the rescue
20:16 * chris_n      is going to rip out these tabs then
20:15 libsysguy      yeah make sure they are spaces and not tabs or paul_p will stab you in the eye
20:15 libsysguy      lol
20:15 libsysguy      what is this board coming to
20:15 jcamins_away   Sorry.
20:15 jcamins_away   Spaces.
20:15 libsysguy      then you insult my favorite editor
20:15 chris_n        4 tabs!
20:15 libsysguy      first you summon me
20:15 libsysguy      okay really
20:15 jcamins_away   chris_n: we're using 4 tabs.
20:15 chris_n        anyone remember the "brief" line editor?
20:14 jcamins_away   I don't use Emacs, and libsysguy is never going to live down the time he reindented most of the Koha codebase.
20:14 rangi          mine doesnt
20:14 jcamins_away   rangi: I know.
20:14 rangi          maybe your emacs does that
20:14 chris_n        so are we using tabs or spaces now, and how many
20:14 rangi          i call bs
20:13 jcamins_away   Unlike Emacs, which massacres every file you open.
20:13 jcamins_away   Yeah, vim does not automatically replace tabs with four spaces everywhere.
20:13 chris_n        they're still there :-P
20:13 chris_n        argh
20:12 jcamins_away   :)
20:12 chris_n        I owe you some chocolate
20:12 chris_n        tnx
20:12 chris_n        ahh
20:12 chris_n        jcamins_away: it should be trivial to do
20:12 jcamins_away   set expandtab
20:11 * chris_n      gives up trying
20:11 chris_n        so what part of this vimrc do I change to rid myself of all the '^I' : http://paste.koha-community.org/264
20:11 jcamins_away   Especially if we could do it in a way that makes it possible to store RPM/AUR package names, too.
20:10 jcamins_away   That might be nice. mtompset wrote a script to generate that, but if we could centralize, I would like that.
20:08 chris_n        jcamins_away: I'll look at the package thing too while I'm mucking around
20:06 chris_n        I'm attempting to move it over intact
20:05 chris_n        it was on a HDD from my old system
20:05 chris_n        yup, and an additional switch could produce package names instead of module names
20:05 jcamins_away   What happened to it?
20:05 jcamins_away   Resurrecting?
20:05 chris_n        resurrecting a repo and dev install is not for the faint of heart :P
20:04 jcamins_away   That's an intriguing idea.
20:04 jcamins_away   Ooh.
20:04 chris_n        it's just a hash iirc
20:04 chris_n        I'm sure package names could be easily added
20:03 jcamins_away   But koha_perl_deps gives me only the names of the modules.
20:02 jcamins_away   If we had an automated way to get a list of only required packages, I could easily add it to my build test.
20:02 jcamins_away   Thanks.
20:00 chris_n        I'll fix the test
19:59 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8919 critical, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , ExtendedPatronAttributes not populated from LDAP
19:59 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9005 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Changing sysprefs requires restart under Plack
19:59 jenkins_koha   * dpavlin: Bug 8919 - ExtendedPatronAttributes not populated from LDAP
19:59 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 9005: Allow user to disable syspref cache
19:59 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #935: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/935/
19:59 chris_n        it might be nice to have tests of a default install or require all recommended packages
19:58 jcamins_away   And the packages install all recommended packages, too.
19:58 rangi          not just t/
19:58 rangi          cos it runs all the tests
19:58 rangi          it has all modules installed
19:58 * chris_n      wonders why jenkins has not caught it?
19:57 rangi          you will see it's a simple fix
19:57 rangi          if you look at t/00-load.t
19:57 rangi          yep
19:57 chris_n        so bug?
19:56 pastebot       "chris_n" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "cnighswonger@cnighswonger-dt:~" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/263
19:56 rangi          yeah
19:56 jcamins_away   00-load should not be testing Koha::Cache::*
19:56 rangi          because that is definitely optional
19:56 jcamins_away   It shouldn't be. We shoudl adjust 00-load.
19:56 rangi          should not be testing Koha::Cache::Memcached
19:56 rangi          in that case i think 00-load.t
19:55 chris_n        so memcached foo is not required, right?
19:55 rangi          yep
19:55 pastebot       "chris_n" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "cnighswonger@cnighswonger-dt:~" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/262
19:54 jcamins_away   All packages required for tests in t/ should be required, period.
19:54 jcamins_away   No.
19:54 chris_n        should 'prove t' result in failed tests due to non-mandatory packages *not* being installed?
19:33 rangi          eew regression
19:31 oleonard       I need a sanity check. I'm marking an checked-out item lost, paying the fine, and finding that Koha still thinks the patron owes the fine. Can someone else try it?
19:30 rangi          back
19:22 oleonard       I've been trying hard to do so, since it gives me more latitude to demand them from others ;)
19:21 melia          thanks!  yours are easy to test, oleonard. you write great test plans :)
19:20 oleonard       melia++ # for patch-testing!
19:17 oleonard       Hm, if I just paid that fine why does it still show up on the patron's screen?
19:14 oleonard       ...Although I don't understand how the process works for libraries that want this. The item is made lost, the patron pays for it, and then... The items stays on their card forever? The item is manually checked in later?
19:13 jcamins_away   (where "functionality" includes "consistency")
19:12 * oleonard     will test in that case.
19:12 jcamins_away   If the patch doesn't remove any functionality, I'm comfortable with it.
19:11 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8484 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to choose if lost items are removed from a borrowers record.
19:11 oleonard       jcamins_away: Is bug 8484 a non-starter at this point for you? Or did bag's comment change your mind?
19:04 jcamins_away   tcohen: yay! :)
19:04 tcohen         farewell zebraqueue-daemon
18:55 rangi          If I can't I'd rather remove it than put a note I think
18:54 jcamins_away   Thanks.
18:54 rangi          I'll see if I can get it using the nginx logs first
18:53 jcamins_away   Maybe we should stick a note on that says "this does not include downloads" or something.
18:53 jcamins_away   rangi: okay, that makes sense.
18:51 jenkins_koha   Starting build #935 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:51 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8784 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Missing files in debian.packages list
18:51 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8805 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Add a biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl for NORMARC
18:51 jenkins_koha   * mtompset: Bug 8784 - Missing files in debian.packages list
18:51 jenkins_koha   * magnus: Bug 8805 - Add a biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl for NORMARC
18:51 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #934: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/934/
18:48 mtj            morning #koha, hiya rangi
18:40 rangi          I dunno if awstats understands nginx logs ill try and see
18:37 cait1          good morning rangi :)
18:33 rangi          So its all the same ip to apache and it's not counting the downloads themselves anyway
18:32 rangi          Yep stats is looking at apache logs, download has nginx in front serving the actual files, apache is just doing the page itself
18:30 wahanui        Morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast
18:30 rangi          Morning
18:10 chris_n        yet: /usr/lib/perl5/ZOOM.pm
18:10 chris_n        weirdness: #     Error:  Can't locate ZOOM.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/cnighswonger/Repositories/koha.3.2.labels/ /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .)
18:00 tcohen         (just the symlinks :-P)
18:00 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8519 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Make koha-index-daemon run on startup
18:00 tcohen         we only need to push bug 8519 and remove any reference to zebra weird indexing stuff on the instructions
17:58 tcohen         i'm sure on debian is the same
17:58 chris_n        ahh, I missed that
17:58 tcohen         and the fact that idzebra is official in universe repos (which is a default)
17:58 tcohen         on ubuntu instructions it is implied by the use of dpkg --set-selections
17:57 chris_n        tcohen: many of them seem to be missing zebra install sections (for those using git or tarball)
17:56 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9005' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=92bdb7367795445a2a211e116cdb1d6dd59d5ce7> / Bug 8919 - ExtendedPatronAttributes not populated from LDAP <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=24125d4be39a3b6f19b1b0ae3f51855575a01759> / Bug 9005: Allow user to disable syspref cache <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff
17:49 * jcamins      heads into the city, having pushed a couple things to master.
17:44 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8784' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=612fa3f1584338b4eaf4f91ab0cac9d86395cf35> / Bug 8784 - Missing files in debian.packages list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=93b90b28283f6e3bfc27895a31d644562cfea532> / Bug 8805 - Add a biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl for NORMARC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;
17:44 tcohen         chris_n, whats the problem with the docs? (sorry, arrived late=
17:43 jenkins_koha   Starting build #934 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:28 chris_n        but it sure has disappeared from several other places
17:28 chris_n        here it is: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.2_on_Debian_Squeeze_via_GIT#Set_up_Indexdata_apt_sources_for_Yaz_and_Zebra_packages
17:28 jcamins        It was.
17:27 chris_n        I thought for sure that was in there somewhere in the past
17:27 jcamins        paul_p: I updated get_bugs.pl to use the domain map.
17:27 chris_n        hmm... the INSTALL files seem to miss that point too
17:26 jcamins        oleonard: no, there was one for tarball installs.
17:25 oleonard       Is that the humongous guide you were thinking of jcamins?
17:25 chris_n        just a small oversight ;-)
17:24 chris_n        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_git
17:24 jcamins        chris_n: that's quite possible.
17:24 oleonard       Which page chris_n?
17:24 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9001 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , zebraqueue_daemon is deprecated and must go
17:24 jenkins_koha   tomascohen: Bug 9001: Remove Zebraqueue_daemon
17:24 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.10.x build #10: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/10/
17:24 chris_n        or else I have missed it
17:24 * chris_n      finds it interesting that the koha_on_ubuntu_-_git wiki page does not mention installing zebra
17:04 cait1          yeah
17:01 oleonard       ...where I would quibble with the truth of their "global leader" assertion.
17:00 oleonard       ...and of course doesn't mention open source except in their boilerplate "about liblime" paragraph
16:59 cait1          their press release is quite silent aobut that little fact
16:58 jcamins        Granted. But the code for 4.12 was never made available.
16:58 cait1          well, you never know what shocking thing they plan next
16:58 jcamins        cait1: I'd be shocked if they released it.
16:57 cait1          the download is still 4.10
16:57 cait1          or I didn#t find it
16:57 cait1          it seems
16:57 cait1          and no release notes
16:57 cait1          and it's not on their repo yet
16:55 jcamins        Kind of limited in terms of search options.
16:55 jcamins        Yup.
16:54 tcohen         so, liblime announced the availability of a Solr version of its Koha fork
16:53 maximep        I know my lack of memory =)
16:53 maximep        haha that I do
16:53 libsysguy      :p
16:53 libsysguy      the 3 C's of programming
16:52 libsysguy      that is why you commit early, commit often, and comment
16:50 maximep        I have the worst memory :/
16:50 maximep        I actually don't remember anything about what I did on that stuff haha
16:48 jcamins        If you've already gotten it working, though, a patch would be welcomed.
16:47 jcamins        libsysguy is working on making that work generally.
16:47 jcamins        maximep: because that's the logical time for books to be due.
16:47 maximep        ah, the fixes don't work because of a local change. It seems we use the closing hour in date_due instead of 23:59. Not sure why we did that haha
16:45 maximep        pretty crazy that it took 7 minor releases to fix :S
16:44 cait1          the bug looks like a bit of a never ending story :(
16:44 cait1          maybe you can find the right fix?
16:44 cait1          maximep:  :(
16:42 jenkins_koha   Starting build #10 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:42 maximep        and the patches don't exactly work for me :/
16:41 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8253 critical, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , fix fine doubling, when upgrading from 3.6 to 3.8 (or later)
16:41 maximep        spent all my morning fixing effects of bug 8253 when I updated to 3.8. How did I miss this bug :/
16:39 caser          Bye
16:39 caser          jcamins Thanks for the help!
16:39 jcamins        Humbug. I don't want to figure out how to read the domain map.
16:36 paul_p         we faced some problems with it because of our VPN & some internal DNS wrongly resolved (at least that's what I understood...)
16:35 paul_p         jcamins yes, it seems http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2012-November/038419.html (except I don't get the email myself...)
16:35 jcamins        Alas, gitdm is written in Python.
16:34 jcamins        paul_p: looks like the lists are working again.
16:34 jcamins        I'll see if I can figure out how to do the mapping.
16:34 jcamins        Okay, pushed my changes.
16:31 chris_n        jcamins: true
16:31 cait           my dad picked me up, still staying with my family
16:31 cait           came back late last night
16:30 cait           nope
16:30 oleonard       Still in Norway?
16:30 oleonard       Hi cait
16:30 jcamins        For companies.
16:30 jcamins        Hm. And we should use the mapping file that git-stats uses.
16:29 * cait         waves
16:28 chris_n        paul_p++
16:24 jcamins        Well, once I fix the spacing in the credits section.
16:24 reiveune       bye
16:23 paul_p         jcamins perfect
16:23 caser          got it.
16:23 jcamins        I'll push my additional patches now.
16:23 jcamins        paul_p: thanks.
16:23 paul_p         jcamins (& chris_n ) = 2 new patches pushed on release-tools
16:22 jcamins        Pretty much.
16:21 caser          So, from the comment "oleonard replaces jcamins with a bot that replies "rebuild your indexes"" shall I assume that this is the equivalent of "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
16:15 caser          Thank you!
16:13 jcamins        Right.
16:12 oleonard       jcamins: Because the regular cron update doesn't catch them?
16:11 jcamins        Mass deletion.
16:10 caser          Is a special circumstance due to the mass deletion or should we be doing rebuild regularly by cron?
16:09 caser          jcamins Thanks, I'm looking into the rebuild.
16:03 oleonard       But honestly, we should hide the holds limit settings from circ rules until they're fixed. They're not enforced!
16:02 * magnuse      realized during the "get to know koha" day yesterday that authorities and normarc was something he put off until later and then forgot about...
16:01 jcamins        magnuse: I'll look for it after some breakfast.
16:01 magnuse        hehe
16:00 oleonard       The annoyed part I understand. The surprised part? Really, still?
16:00 oleonard       My staff is perpetually annoyed *and* surprised that the OPAC doesn't enforce hold limits
16:00 jcamins        No, but I've thought about it.
16:00 magnuse        anyone tried importing MeSH records into koha? http://www.nlm.nih.gov/mesh/marc.html
15:59 jcamins        I just have to find them.
15:58 magnuse        yay!
15:58 jcamins        I just sent to someone.
15:58 magnuse        only if you know about any handy ones floating around...
15:58 jcamins        magnuse: oh, yeah, authority records.
15:57 jcamins        lol
15:57 magnuse        book title of the day: "MARC21 for everyone : a practical guide"
15:54 jcamins        [off] Yeah, that's the biggest problem, and the author refuses to take it down because it's good for SEO.
15:54 oleonard       [off] Then there's always the random blog posts: http://clean-clouds.com/2011/12/22/open-source-ils-installation-guide-for-koha-on-ubuntu-10-04-lts-with-mysql-5/
15:51 jcamins        Since fudm is using Ubuntu 11.10, presumably s/he started the installation ages ago, though.
15:49 jcamins        I thought those were the super-long Ubuntu tarball instructions.
15:49 jcamins        oleonard: oh, good.
15:48 oleonard       the "Koha_on_Ubuntu" page doesn't have installation instructions, and recommends using packages.
15:47 jcamins        There we go.
15:47 wahanui        problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
15:47 jcamins        problem?
15:47 jcamins        Problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild \your indexes.
15:47 wahanui        jcamins: I forgot problem
15:47 jcamins        forget problem
15:47 jcamins        Hm.
15:47 wahanui        problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild my indexes.
15:47 jcamins        problem?
15:47 jcamins        Problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
15:47 jcamins        Problem?
15:47 wahanui        magnuse: Just pick up the phone and give modem connect sounds. "Well you said we should get more lines so we don't have voice lines."
15:47 magnuse        excuse?
15:47 jcamins        Problem was it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
15:47 wahanui        jcamins: I forgot problem
15:47 jcamins        forget problem
15:47 wahanui        i heard problem was its human beings doing it or that grub was nudged to the emergency holographic shell
15:46 jcamins        problem?
15:46 jcamins        Humbug.
15:46 wahanui        i think help is at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help.
15:46 jcamins        help?
15:46 * oleonard     replaces jcamins with a bot that replies "rebuild your indexes"
15:46 jcamins        Run `rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v`
15:46 magnuse        oleonard: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
15:46 jcamins        caser: yes, you need to rebuild your indexes.
15:46 jcamins        oleonard: see Koha_on_Ubuntu on the wiki.
15:46 caser          Anyone know why/how the title is still coming up in the search result, even though the record has been deleted?
15:45 oleonard       Where are the "installing Koha on Ubuntu 11.10" instructions fudm referred to?
15:45 magnuse        jcamins or anyone else know a handy set of marc21 authority records for testing?
15:45 caser          We recently used a script to delete records without items, and while the records are indeed no longer existent, they are still showing up in search results in the OPAC.  When you try to pull up the record from the search results, you get an error message.
15:43 mtj            hey caser
15:43 mtj            jcamins, nor me, either
15:42 jcamins        Manderson: in answer to your question much earlier, when you save a record it should go into the catalog. Most likely the problem is that you don't have the rebuild_zebra cronjobs running.
15:42 jcamins        (I'm not sure if there are any)
15:41 jcamins        mtj: and remove links from the wiki directly to tarball files?
15:41 oleonard       Hi caser
15:41 mtj            … i think if we just improve the info on 'koha-community.org/download-koha' & 'download.koha-community.org', we can fix that
15:40 caser          Good morning/afternoon/evening everyone!
15:39 huginn         jcamins: The operation succeeded.
15:39 jcamins        @later tell rangi I think awstats on download.k-c.org is misconfigured. One unique visitor per month since June seems improbable.
15:39 mtj            theres much good info about install stuff on the wiki, but many people never even get that far - it seems…
15:37 mtj            … that we then have to help fix :/
15:37 mtj            i think we all want less n00bs having koha problems, caused by bad install decisions
15:36 slef           that's ok
15:35 jcamins        Regarding non-Debian distros, I think a note like "If you are using a deb-based distro (for example, Debian or Ubuntu), you are strongly encouraged to use the packages for production installations, since the packages automatically handle a lot of the inconvenient configuration."
15:33 jcamins        *I* am the one who is on #koha when they show up and ask why it's broken who is dumb enough to try to help.
15:33 jcamins        And I'm not encouraging anyone to use a misconfigured version of Koha that's six months old.
15:33 slef           It's already there, people already use them, let's at least tell them the score.
15:32 * jcamins      isn't creating a livecd.
15:32 slef           JFDI
15:32 jcamins        That's the plan, and the reason we have a LiveCD manager.
15:32 slef           "real sites because the upgrade path is not good/there"
15:32 slef           jcamins: so write that there.  "Try this out. Don't use it for real sites." or something
15:31 jcamins        slef: I disagree. There is no upgrade path from them.
15:31 * slef         goes to get mtj's leg bone
15:31 slef           jcamins: nah, olderversions are ok for first tries IMO
15:31 mtj            and google-groups - to share our stories...
15:31 jcamins        Right now the most up-to-date LiveCD is... not new.
15:31 oleonard       <crickets>
15:30 jcamins        slef: first there needs to be a new LiveCD.
15:30 slef           also should promote the livecd for newbies too
15:30 jcamins        I think it's more important on download.k-c.org, actually.
15:30 slef           careful not to alienate the non-debs
15:30 mtj            jcamins, yep - will do
15:29 mtj            *and* that very same suggestion on -> http://download.koha-community.org, too
15:28 jcamins        If you'd like to e-mail the lists to make sure people agree?
15:28 jcamins        Oh, I think I can edit downloads.k-c.org.
15:27 mtj            ^^ ill ask liz about it, next time i see her
15:26 jcamins        And they are all very, very tall so you don't want that.
15:26 jcamins        I suggest that if you do that I will sick the Reas on you.
15:26 jcamins        lol
15:26 mtj            i suggest a hottt-pink flashing marquee bold italic banner '---===use the packages====---', and a midi tune of super-mario theme music
15:23 magnuse        +1
15:23 jcamins        mtj: agreed.
15:23 mtj            … its the first mistake, that n00bs make, when installing koha
15:22 mtj            this page should aggressively recommend using the koha packages for beginner installs -> http://koha-community.org/download-koha
15:22 mtj            you know what our problem is?
15:21 magnuse        hm, was it a typo or wasn't it a typo?
15:17 slef           hey don't kill me!
15:17 huginn         gmcharlt: Quote #29: "< CGI634> kill self now avoid slow cataloging death" (added by chris at 09:32 PM, September 02, 2009)
15:17 gmcharlt       @quote random
15:16 jcamins        I don't use the tarball for installing.
15:16 jcamins        I think so.
15:15 fudm           ok, that is the "usr/share/koha" right?
15:14 jcamins        However, you should be using the folders where Koha was installed, not the folder where you unzipped Koha.
15:13 jcamins        It doesn't matter what folder you run it from.
15:13 jcamins        BTW, for those who were concerned, the snow was not nearly as bad as I was anticipating. Just a couple of inches at most.
15:13 fudm           am i to run this export KOHA_.... from the unzipped koha3.0806 folder?
15:12 fudm           ok
15:12 jcamins        You don't need to preface my nick to every statement. Since we're the only ones talking, I'll be able to follow.
15:12 fudm           :jcamins: ok
15:12 fudm           ok
15:11 jcamins        The export commands do not give any output.
15:11 fudm           :jcamins: ok, i ran the instructions but i cant see any response
15:11 jcamins        Including rebuild_zebra?
15:11 fudm           :jcamins:ok, i ran the instructions but i cant see any response
15:06 jcamins        Right.
15:06 fudm           :jcamins: am i just to "run export PERL5LIB=/usr/kohalocation" from the terminal(cmd lin)
15:05 jcamins        I believe it is `export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha`
15:04 fudm           :jcamins: ok, let me follow the instructions then revert back to you
15:04 jcamins        You'll find all this in the instructions, too.
15:03 fudm           :jcamins: am presently searching for the PERL5LIB
15:03 jcamins        And `export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha_conf.xml`
15:02 jcamins        Changing the path to where Koha is installed.
15:02 jcamins        Right.
15:02 fudm           :jcamins: using this "export PERL5LIB=/path/to/your/koha/"
15:02 fudm           :jcamins: how pls
15:01 jcamins        % sure where that script is, but you can find it.
15:01 jcamins        I'm not 100
15:00 jcamins        So now you're going to set your PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF variables and run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v
14:59 fudm           :jcamins: i just started the zebra service
14:58 fudm           :jcamins: ok
14:57 jcamins        Then, you'll rebuild Zebra as described in the FAQ.
14:57 jcamins        fudm: the first thing to do is start Zebra: `sudo service koha-zebra-daemon start`
14:57 Manderson      Hi all - I am still trying to figure out how to get bib items into my catalog. They get stuck in the reservoir, and seem to stay there. Any ideas?
14:57 fudm           :jcamins: Ok
14:56 jcamins        Okay. Patience is appreciated when you are receiving gratis help.
14:56 fudm           :jcamins:yes i do, i really appreciate the assistance
14:55 jcamins        fudm: you do understand that I'm doing this for free, right?
14:55 fudm           :jcamins: the cron job; how do i go about it pls
14:55 jcamins        Oh well.
14:55 jcamins        Who is on first
14:55 jcamins        who is on first
14:54 jcamins        who is on first?
14:54 wahanui        OK, jcamins.
14:54 jcamins        wahanui: \Who \is on first is I don't know.
14:54 oleonard       dang
14:54 fudm           :jcamins: ok, so how do i go about the cron job
14:54 wahanui        no idea, oleonard
14:54 oleonard       wahanui: Who is on first
14:54 wahanui        jcamins: I forgot which
14:54 jcamins        wahanui: forget which
14:54 wahanui        i guess which is important.
14:54 jcamins        which?
14:54 wahanui        okay, jcamins.
14:54 jcamins        Which is also important.
14:54 jcamins        That's setting up Zebra to run when the system starts.
14:53 jcamins        That has nothing to do with cron.
14:53 fudm           :jcamins: i followed this to create a cron job during koha installation "5 - Setup Zebra Server to Automatically Start on Boot Up   $ sudo ln -s /usr/share/koha/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon $ sudo update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults $ sudo /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start"
14:53 jcamins        The very last question addresses this.
14:53 wahanui        faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
14:53 jcamins        faq?
14:53 jcamins        Yes.
14:53 fudm           :jcamins: sorry, was the faq for me?
14:52 jcamins        Yeah, definitely tarball.
14:52 jcamins        Did you work your way through the FAQ on this problemt hat I sent you?
14:52 fudm           :jcamins: i got the tar.gz file using "wget http://download.koha-community.org/koha-latest.tar.gz"
14:52 jcamins        And make sure you've started Zebra.
14:51 jcamins        You need to set up your cron jobs.
14:51 jcamins        That's unfortunate.
14:51 fudm           :jcamins:yes i downloaded that
14:51 jcamins        If you did, you used the tarball.
14:50 jcamins        fudm: did you download a file called "koha-3.08.06.tar.gz"?
14:50 fudm           :jcamins:packages i assume! i dont know the diff between packages and tarball
14:50 paul_p         and the answer is = stty cols 80
14:49 wahanui        well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
14:49 fudm           :jcamins: packages
14:49 jcamins        fudm: did you use packages or tarball?
14:48 jcamins        paul_p: I do not, sorry.
14:48 paul_p         my script retrieve bugzilla comments in 80 char size, that's not what I'm expecting...
14:48 fudm           :jcamins: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
14:47 paul_p         does someone know how to / what define the terminal width ?
14:47 fudm           :jcamins: installing Koha on Ubuntu 11.10
14:47 jcamins        paul_p: okay, let me know when you've done that.
14:46 jcamins        fudm: which instructions?
14:46 fudm           :jcamins: i followed instructions found on koha wiki site
14:46 fudm           :jcamins: I installed all over the internet
14:46 paul_p         jcamins = probable git collision. please wait until I push my current patch
14:45 jcamins        fudm: how did you install Koha? Packages?
14:44 fudm           i lost connection
14:43 chris_n        right
14:43 jcamins        chris_n: yes, except for when we forget to push patches, in which case we need to rebase our local changes on master.
14:42 * chris_n      wonders if we should be doing pulls and pushes rather than rebase with that repo
14:41 jcamins        Right.
14:40 chris_n        we'll just have to be careful that we don't have a git collision :-)
14:39 jcamins        paul_p: I can still add the missing '-'s since I already started on it.
14:39 chris_n        paul_p: you should be able to push to the release tool repo now
14:37 jcamins        How did you install Koha?
14:37 fudm           am using 3.08.06 on Ubuntu 11.10
14:37 jcamins        I also pointed you to a FAQ.
14:37 jcamins        fudm: what version of Koha are you using?
14:36 fudm           anyone helping out please
14:36 jcamins        Yeah, I didn't mean to ask the second question. I wanted the third question.
14:35 fudm           No results match your search for 'kw,wrdl: chemistry' in Federal University,Dutsin-ma.Library Catalog.
14:35 fudm           but still same error
14:35 jcamins        :)
14:35 jcamins        That question.
14:35 wahanui        it has been said that Third question is "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/find-version-koha-running/
14:35 jcamins        Third question?
14:35 jcamins        No, not that question.
14:35 fudm           oleanard: read somethings about Zebra indexing, which i followed the instructions while installing Koha
14:35 wahanui        rumour has it second question is "What is the exact error message?"
14:35 jcamins        second question?
14:35 jcamins        fudm: ^^ the FAQ has troubleshooting information.
14:34 wahanui        i think faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
14:34 jcamins        faq?
14:34 jcamins        And we can ask gmcharlt to give you push access to release-tools later.
14:34 jcamins        paul_p: I will add the missing '-'s, since I have push access.
14:34 fudm           any advice on way out
14:33 fudm           Installation was successful and we have cataloged some few items
14:33 fudm           indexing i mean client having access to catalogued items
14:32 fudm           We are presently having challenges with the indexing
14:32 fudm           Hi oleonard
14:31 fudm           we just installed Koha for use as an E-library tool
14:31 oleonard       Hi fudm
14:31 fudm           Am Olumide a system adminsitrator in a Nigerian Institution
14:30 fudm           Good day House
14:30 jcamins        I have some additional patches to push to my release-tool.pl script.
14:29 chris_n        so do we need a test suite for the release tools? ;-)
14:29 jcamins        If you want I can do that.
14:29 paul_p         OK, i'll reintroduce them quickly
14:28 jcamins        -%] removes excess whitespace after the tag.
14:28 jcamins        [%- removes excess whitespace before the tag.
14:28 paul_p         (because sometimes it's at the beginning, sometimes at the end)
14:28 paul_p         really ? unknown feature from me ! how does it work ?
14:27 jcamins        They remove excess whitespace.
14:27 jcamins        paul_p: there was a reason for the -s in the T::T tags.
14:27 paul_p         jcamins yep
14:26 jcamins        paul_p: around?
14:17 jcamins_away   paul_p++
14:16 chris_n        I attempted to ensure translation would work, so we should be able to fix it one way or another
14:15 chris_n        k
14:15 oleonard       If you think mveron's solution is the best one, please add a comment and remove "failed qa" (or sign off). I just hoped we could do it the "right" way
14:15 chris_n        I'll look at it a bit more once I get my dev foo back up and working today
14:14 chris_n        oleonard: iirc the extension imposed some limitations on DT which I could not work around
14:06 chris_n        full-automation++
14:06 chris_n        cool
14:06 paul_p         chris_n = new ones coming soon :D
14:05 chris_n        oleonard: looking
14:05 chris_n        paul_p: patches pushed
13:43 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9029 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , location switches under certain time-out conditions
13:43 oleonard       The description of Bug 9029 sounds like the behavior I would expect
13:41 huginn         oleonard: The operation succeeded.
13:41 oleonard       @later tell chris_n Could you take a look at Bug 9017? Not sure what the best solution is.
13:40 oleonard       chris_n around?
13:39 libsysguy      hehe I just assumed all french men smoked ;)
13:39 oleonard       He got the tall part at least :)
13:39 paul_p         libsysguy me smoking a cig ? definetely not me !!!!
13:38 libsysguy      heh paul_p I just have this image of a tall slender guy smoking a cig at all times as you
13:36 paul_p         libsysguy is "I only listen french news" better ?
13:35 paul_p         libsysguy :p :p
13:32 libsysguy      spoken like a true frenchman :p
13:31 paul_p         libsysguy = probably, but I just listen french news ;-)
13:31 libsysguy      its not just france paul_p
13:30 libsysguy      and it is hard to navigate
13:30 paul_p         good morning oleonard ( oleonard from OH, the US state we speak once every four years in France ;-) )
13:30 libsysguy      I was uisng HTTP::Recorder and HTTP::Proxy to autogen WWW::Mechanize scripts but it disables javascript
13:29 libsysguy      sweet sprinkled with javascript
13:29 libsysguy      indeed it is
13:29 libsysguy      heh
13:29 oleonard       Aw, that's very sweet
13:29 libsysguy      oleonard! I was just thinking about you
13:27 oleonard       Hi #koha
13:24 magnuse        okelydokely :-)
13:24 paul_p         magnuse = Storable is what I need
13:24 libsysguy      err object
13:24 libsysguy      storable serializes the variable
13:24 magnuse        paul_p: use YAML?
13:19 wahanui        hmmm... storable is yellow and Graphics::Magick
13:19 paul_p         Storable...
13:17 paul_p         does someone know a perl library to store permanently the content of a variable on the disk & recover it quickly ?
13:16 paul_p         chris_n i've other patches for release tools ;-)
13:16 paul_p         hi chris_n (&others)
13:12 libsysguy      geez koha looks bad when the javascript is turned off
12:37 chris_n        heya paul_p
10:56 vfernandes     i'll need it eheheh
10:55 slef           vfernandes: no worries. Good luck!
10:54 vfernandes     thanks slef
10:48 vfernandes     It will be a hard proccess
10:47 vfernandes     then I've to update to 3.8
10:47 vfernandes     i'm seeing this page to update 2.2 to 3.0
10:47 vfernandes     http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Upgrading_2.2
10:46 slef           could see how much the history tables have changed but I suspect at least you'd want to step via 3.0, then to 3.8 running the special 3.4 item-splitter.
10:46 vfernandes     if I install the 3.0 the database isn't updated?
10:45 vfernandes     so a new migration is the last option...
10:44 vfernandes     the client wants to mantain the circulation history
10:42 slef           vfernandes: export catalogue, import again
10:32 vfernandes     which could be the best way?
10:32 vfernandes     anyone had sucessfully updated a koha 2.2.X to 3.8?
10:30 vfernandes     hi guys :)
09:24 magnuse        yay
09:22 cait           only a little delay from berlin to stuttgart
09:21 cait           no problems
09:21 cait           yep
09:19 magnuse        hiya cait - made it home all right?
09:12 cait           hi rangi :)
09:12 cait           night bag
09:12 rangi          hi cait
09:11 trea           hey night bag
09:11 bag            and I'm going to bed - night all :)  have an excellent day
09:10 wizzyrea       good morning :)
09:10 cait           hi wizzyrea and paul_p
09:10 wizzyrea       also hi cait :)
09:10 paul_p         hi cait & wizzyrea
09:09 wizzyrea       lol paul_p
09:08 cait           :)
09:08 * trea         waves to cait
09:08 * cait         waves
09:07 trea           :D
09:07 trea           perhaps we can convince her to come to france
09:07 trea           well, my mom is retired and looking for a hobby
09:07 paul_p         trea = so all the family will work on Koha all around the world ? do you have a boy, a sister, an uncle or a grand-ma we could hire at BibLibre ? So we could say "Rea rulez them all" :D :D
09:04 trea           hi paul_p!
09:03 paul_p         hi trea !
08:49 huginn         magnuse: The operation succeeded.
08:49 magnuse        @later tell cait: looks like my permissions for nb-NO 3.10 are still not quite right
08:33 magnuse        nice
08:32 trea           good, good. just taking it easy
08:31 magnuse        how's life in the antipodes?
08:31 magnuse        yay!
08:31 trea           kia ora magnuse!
08:31 magnuse        kia ora trea!
08:30 magnuse        nah, doesn't look like it is possible at the moment, but that it should be an easy enh
08:20 magnuse        just show "15 copies available" or something?
08:20 magnuse        is there a way to not show the names of all the libraries that have the book in the results list?
08:18 wizzyrea       good stuff :)
08:18 magnuse        wizzyrea: thanks, twilight worked nicely
08:16 lds            hi rangi !!
08:15 matts          hi !
08:14 wizzyrea       or evanovich
08:13 wizzyrea       magnuse: also john grisham
08:13 rangi          hi lds and matts
08:12 lds            Hello
08:06 alex_a_        salut rangi
08:05 rangi          hey alex_a_
08:05 wizzyrea       50 shades of grey :P
08:04 alex_a_        bonjour
07:39 magnuse        yeah, twilight had some perfect examples
07:38 magnuse        thanks rangi - and sily me for not thinking of harry potter!
07:37 magnuse        ah, of course
07:37 rangi          or harry potter
07:37 rangi          twilight probably
07:36 * magnuse      tries to think of a book that every library in the nexpress catalogue would have
07:36 reiveune       salut magnuse :)
07:35 magnuse        hiya reiveune
07:35 reiveune       hello
07:35 magnuse        yay!
07:30 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Introducing my daughter. http://t.co/wtpOY6YS #kohails"
07:03 rangi          cool!
06:57 drojf          cool
06:56 magnuse        very impressive!
06:56 magnuse        everything in the mueseum is controlled and fed by semantic data in a triplestore - send the system the right message and all the displays in the whole museum can be changed
06:56 magnuse        cait and i also got a guided tour of http://www.popsenteret.no/ - by the guy who created their it infrastructure
06:54 francharb      \0/
06:54 drojf          europe's up early ;)
06:54 francharb      0/ rangi  drojf
06:53 drojf          hi magnuse and francharb
06:53 rangi          heya francharb and drojf
06:53 magnuse        \o
06:53 francharb      0/ magnuse
06:52 magnuse        hiya francharb and drojf
06:52 francharb      hi
06:51 magnuse        yeah, very cool
06:51 rangi          yep good write up
06:51 rangi          sounds like a plan
06:51 magnuse        i guess you saw this? http://buskerud.fylkesbibl.no/2012/11/07/det-frie-biblioteksystemet-koha/ - published at the end of the day by one of the attendees. yay!
06:51 rangi          yeah
06:50 magnuse        normarc does not have a "framework" for authorities, so i'm thinking i have to steal the one from marc21 and see if that works
06:49 magnuse        yeah, that was my first thought too :-)
06:49 rangi          jcamins probably can help with that
06:49 rangi          ahhh
06:49 magnuse        which was kind of bad, 'cause oslo public library was really wondering about that...
06:48 magnuse        and i was reminded that i never really figured out how to use authorities with normarc in koha...
06:47 rangi          excellent :)
06:47 magnuse        cait did a great job talking about koha worldwide of course
06:47 magnuse        no definitive new customers yet of course, but i keep my fingers crossed
06:46 rangi          excellent
06:46 rangi          i saw a blog post, it looked like people enjoyed it
06:46 magnuse        lots of positive response
06:46 magnuse        good!
06:46 rangi          hey magnuse howd your conf go?
06:46 wizzyrea       ty hi
06:46 rangi          wb wizzyrea
06:41 magnuse        kia ora wizzyrea
06:41 wahanui        i think wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans.
06:41 rangi          hey wizzyrea
06:36 * magnuse      waves
05:51 rangi          Sweet
05:50 BobB           rangi the en-nz translation looks great, thank you
05:40 bag            yup ginny++
05:39 mtj            ginny++
05:35 BobB           very cool
05:35 bag            She was wearing a "powered by Koha" onesie the other day :)  (the staff got us that one ;) )
05:35 BobB           did she vote for Obama?
05:34 bag            she's a big time smiler and giggler
05:34 mtj            she keepin' you on your toes :)
05:34 BobB           hi bag
05:33 bag            Awesome!!! thanks for asking
05:33 mtj            hay bag, hows the ginny going?
05:31 bag            darn - but anyways heya mason and hey Bob
05:30 wahanui        i heard mtj was a danger to bots everywhere.
05:30 bag            mtj?
05:29 BobB           hang on, I just tested again and didn't see it.  Might get back to you on this one.
05:27 BobB           There's still some check-ins and check-outs, its seems
05:27 BobB           Me?  Look up the release notes?  :)
05:27 mtj            http://translate.koha-community.org/en_NZ/
05:26 mtj            Koha 3.8 		Complete	84517	2012-10-17 12:30 (chrisc)
05:26 rangi          The release notes should tell you :)
05:26 rangi          Yep
05:26 rangi          Me
05:26 rangi          Ahh
05:25 BobB           It doesn't look like it
05:25 mtj            whos been recently contributing/maintaining the NZ po files , for koha
05:25 BobB           I just asked if the en-nz translation in 3.8.6 is complete?
05:25 rangi          (no scroll back on this phone)
05:25 BobB           aww go on
05:25 rangi          What would I know?
05:24 BobB           I should find out how to contribute to that .... need longer days.  :(
05:24 rangi          Hmm?
05:24 mtj            im not sure which kiwi has been maintaining the file, chris/robin will prolly know
05:23 BobB           thx mtj, some clients are keen to switch
05:22 mtj            BobB, afaik, it is
05:22 BobB           I just applied it to a 3.8.6 koha and there's still use of terms like check-in and check-out, and catalogue has lost is ue
05:21 BobB           does anyone know if the en-nz translation is actively maintained?
05:21 BobB           hi
05:17 mtj            … yet their repo is 7 months old? -> https://github.com/liblime/LibLime-Koha
05:16 mtj            140 files changed, 11247 insertions(+), 15250 deletions(-)
05:16 mtj            [solr-squash e54b8e3] Replace Zebra/YAZ with Solr
05:16 mtj            sheesh, i just spotted a tweet from liblime about a solr commit they've pushed, 60 days ago...
05:03 eythian        (which is under "Tools")
05:03 eythian        Alternately, if it's there as part of a staged MARC file, you can import it through the interface for sorting that stuff
05:03 eythian        So you catalogue based on that record, and when you save it, it'll be in the catalogue.
05:02 eythian        when cataloguing, you can search the reservoir I think.
05:01 Manderson      Pardon my ignorance, but if a bibliographic record gets stuck in the 'reservoir', how do I get it out and in to the catalog?
04:43 huginn         bag: unknown field/subfield combination (indictors/710)
04:43 bag            @marc indictors 710
04:43 huginn         bag: An added entry in which the entry element is a corporate name. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,k,l,m,n,o,p,r,s,t,u,x,3,4,5,6,8]
04:43 bag            @marc 710
04:43 bag            marc 710?
03:52 jenkins_koha   * m.de.rooy: 7805 Followup for perlcritic messages
03:52 jenkins_koha   * m.de.rooy: 7805 Exposing the new list permissions in opac and staff
03:52 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #223: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/223/
03:49 rangi          yeah
03:49 eythian        I think they're really after the manual perhaps.
03:46 rangi          vaguest bug ever
03:46 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9027 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , How to do proper setting for cataloging module?
03:46 rangi          bug 9027
03:13 jenkins_koha   Starting build #223 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:01 rangi          :)
03:00 bag            right rough
03:00 rangi          security .. its really low traffic
02:59 bag            sec4lib?  sounds rough no?
02:59 bag            ahh not on it
02:59 rangi          good answer on the sec4lib mailing list
02:58 bag            oh what did atz do now?
02:54 eythian        I assume you're aiming for +++ATH0
02:49 rangi          atz++
00:40 tcohen         u r welcome
00:40 jcamins        tcohen: BTW, thanks for the hint about TexLive 2012.
00:22 wahanui        hey, eythian
00:22 eythian        hi
00:21 cait           hi rangi :)
00:21 rangi          hi cait
00:20 jcamins        Hello.
00:20 cait           hi jcamins :)
00:17 * jcamins      is.
00:17 cait           noone here? :)
00:15 cait           :)