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lds |
rangi: i go to bed. Good day ;-) and thank you again for your help |
| 00:04 |
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rangi |
no problem |
| 00:04 |
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rangi |
sleep well |
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| 00:34 |
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BobB |
Hi all, |
| 00:34 |
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BobB |
what do we use to import authorities these days? Is bulkauthimport.pl deprecated? |
| 00:35 |
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BobB |
I think we use bulkmarcimport.pl with an option? |
| 00:41 |
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| 00:41 |
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jcamins |
Yeah. |
| 00:41 |
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jcamins |
bulkmarcimport.pl -a |
| 00:44 |
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mtj |
ive a .deb package Q… where can i grab a koha-3.6.4.deb file from ? |
| 00:44 |
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mtj |
http://debian.koha-community.org/ somewhere? |
| 00:45 |
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eythian |
mtj: 3.6.4? |
| 00:45 |
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wahanui |
3.6.4 is the current stable version |
| 00:45 |
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jcamins |
We don't keep packages that old. |
| 00:45 |
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jcamins |
wahanui: forget 3.6.4 |
| 00:45 |
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wahanui |
jcamins: I forgot 3.6.4 |
| 00:45 |
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eythian |
no wahanui, 3.6.4 is not the current stable version |
| 00:45 |
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eythian |
mtj: you can get 3.6.10 |
| 00:46 |
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eythian |
but yeah, old ones aren't kept |
| 00:46 |
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mtj |
hmm, i didnt know that |
| 00:47 |
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mtj |
we're currently testing a 3.6.4 -> 3.8.6 upgrade, so i need that deb to prep up a test box |
| 00:47 |
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mtj |
i might look for it in the package cache dir, of a local box |
| 00:47 |
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eythian |
is it currently running from that deb? If so, perhaps its... |
| 00:47 |
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eythian |
yeah, that |
| 00:47 |
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wahanui |
yeah, that is, like, cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha |
| 00:52 |
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mtj |
ooh sweet, i think i just found one -> /var/cache/apt/archives/koha-common_3.6.4-1_all.deb |
| 00:54 |
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BobB |
jcamins Thank you. |
| 00:59 |
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jcamins |
BobB: if you're planning a migration that will be onto 3.10, you can also use stage marc import. |
| 01:00 |
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BobB |
Ah, ok. We'll be doing it in 3.8 initially, but good to know that is coming. |
| 01:04 |
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| 01:10 |
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mtj |
# dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/koha-common_3.6.4-1_all.deb |
| 01:10 |
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mtj |
oops... |
| 01:10 |
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mtj |
heya david |
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| 01:31 |
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rangi |
you guys are early |
| 01:31 |
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rangi |
go vote some more or something |
| 01:32 |
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* oleonard |
voted early, so I didn't even get to feel like I got anything done today |
| 01:33 |
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oleonard |
But I have to say, it's awesome to get to sit down at the computer with my ballot and look up the things I don't know about (usually state supreme court races) |
| 01:33 |
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davidnind |
Just making sure I can get IRC to work at work |
| 01:34 |
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rangi |
hm yeah, thats right you get to vote on a ton of things |
| 01:34 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: we had the choice between Candidate A, Candidate A, and Candidate A for the Democratic, Republican, and Other parties for the local elections. |
| 01:35 |
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davidnind |
Hi Mason |
| 01:35 |
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oleonard |
President, state senator, 2 congressional elections, count commissioner, judges, 3 ballot issues, sheriff, and coroner. |
| 01:36 |
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oleonard |
Why do we even elect a coroner? |
| 01:37 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: to make sure the person inspecting your dead body is the right political party? |
| 01:39 |
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oleonard |
If that race got heated it would make for some fun campaign ads. Sadly this race wasn't even contested. |
| 01:40 |
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rangi |
apparently ppl are still in line in virginia |
| 01:40 |
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rangi |
CBS just reported -- they've stopped reporting results in Virgina bc so many people still in line to vote |
| 01:41 |
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rangi |
didnt the polls close there like 1 hour and 40 mins ago? |
| 01:41 |
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jcamins |
rangi: yes, and the northern Virginia mega-state apparently seceded from Virginia, since northern Virginia is going Democrat, and Virginia is going Republican. |
| 01:41 |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
| 01:41 |
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rangi |
if you are in a line, before they close .. are you allowed to still vote? |
| 01:42 |
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jcamins |
Apparently. |
| 01:42 |
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rangi |
who knew |
| 01:42 |
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BobB |
there might be a court case about that |
| 01:42 |
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BobB |
... with the current judges or the newly elected ones? |
| 01:43 |
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BobB |
I don't get that, electing judges. |
| 01:43 |
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oleonard |
Seems wrong, but then again how is appointing them any better? |
| 01:43 |
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jcamins |
BobB: elected judges wouldn't get to decide that. |
| 01:44 |
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rangi |
maybe north virginia can join maryland and the rest join west virginia |
| 01:44 |
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jcamins |
Only lower and superior court judges are elected. Supreme court judges are appointed. |
| 01:44 |
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rangi |
there, i just cut out one of your states, reducing bureaucracy and wasteful spending |
| 01:44 |
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rangi |
you're welcome |
| 01:44 |
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rangi |
:) |
| 01:44 |
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rambutan |
rangi: yes, if you are in line when the polls close you get to vote |
| 01:44 |
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jcamins |
lol |
| 01:44 |
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rangi |
rambutan: ahh thanks |
| 01:45 |
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oleonard |
rangi: That'd be the best way to get Puerto Rico statehood, since we wouldn't have to change the flag! |
| 01:46 |
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oleonard |
I would also entertain returning Texas to Mexico. |
| 01:46 |
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| 01:46 |
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rangi |
heh |
| 01:46 |
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cjh |
hahaha |
| 01:46 |
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rangi |
would they take it back? |
| 01:46 |
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oleonard |
Maybe not if they got Governor Rick Perry with it. |
| 01:46 |
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rangi |
mexico is my current favourite country |
| 01:46 |
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rangi |
just because of |
| 01:47 |
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rangi |
http://mashable.com/2012/11/02[…]le-iphone-mexico/ |
| 01:47 |
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cjh |
oh wow |
| 01:48 |
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rangi |
apple picks a fight and loses, doenst happen often so im happy when it does :) |
| 01:48 |
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rangi |
lol my tweetstream is awesome |
| 01:48 |
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rangi |
Romney has commanding leads in both Alabaska and Nebrada, but Obama ahead in New Hampicut |
| 01:48 |
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rhcl |
by my count apple is only winning about 50% of their various world-wide patent battles |
| 01:49 |
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rangi |
one of my friends is making up bogus election results |
| 01:49 |
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rangi |
Obama wins East Anglia, race in Ohiyoming too close to call. |
| 01:50 |
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rangi |
so, it pretty much all boils down to ohio right? |
| 01:50 |
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rhcl |
um, really gotta wait for Florida too |
| 01:51 |
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mtj |
"unifex: If Obama wins *and* Republicans move to #NZ I'm moving to America." |
| 01:51 |
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jcamins |
rangi: well, that's what we thought until the northern Virginia mega-state seceded. |
| 01:51 |
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rangi |
heh |
| 01:51 |
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jcamins |
Now it's anyone's call. |
| 01:51 |
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rangi |
ohh |
| 01:51 |
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* rangi |
checks athens county |
| 01:51 |
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oleonard |
When did Republicans start threatening to move to NZ? |
| 01:51 |
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rangi |
good work oleonard |
| 01:51 |
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rangi |
on twitter today |
| 01:52 |
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jcamins |
After all, if bipartisan committees can contain members from only one party, 1 == 2 |
| 01:52 |
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rangi |
if obama wins im moving to nz |
| 01:52 |
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rangi |
with our atheist prime minister and universal healthcare |
| 01:52 |
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rangi |
good luck with that |
| 01:53 |
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rangi |
http://www.politico.com/2012-e[…]#/President/2012/ <-- is what im looking at |
| 01:53 |
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rangi |
if ppl have better sites, id love to know |
| 01:54 |
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oleonard |
I would rather go to the dentist than watch election coverage. |
| 01:54 |
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rhcl |
AP (should be fairly unbiased) is at: https://www.google.com/news/se[…]=ln&ar=1352253079 |
| 01:54 |
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| 01:55 |
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rangi |
lol oleonard |
| 01:55 |
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rangi |
i guess its more fun for me, cos i dont live there |
| 01:56 |
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| 01:56 |
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jcamins |
I would told that Google's map is better than Politico's. |
| 01:56 |
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jcamins |
If you believe it. |
| 01:56 |
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* libsysguy |
is watching CNN |
| 01:56 |
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libsysguy |
did I miss the meeting or am i in time |
| 01:56 |
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rangi |
you are in time |
| 01:56 |
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rangi |
4 mins early in fact |
| 01:56 |
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libsysguy |
sweet |
| 01:56 |
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| 01:56 |
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libsysguy |
BOOM! |
| 01:57 |
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libsysguy |
agenda? |
| 01:57 |
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wahanui |
hmmm... agenda is a wiki |
| 01:57 |
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oleonard |
We're talking about how awesome and efficient American elections are libsysguy |
| 01:57 |
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rangi |
heh |
| 01:57 |
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libsysguy |
oh well I guess I better get the heck out of here |
| 01:57 |
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libsysguy |
I'm an optimization nut |
| 01:57 |
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libsysguy |
thats why the calendar re-write isn't done |
| 01:57 |
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libsysguy |
:p |
| 01:58 |
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rangi |
its always on a saturday here |
| 01:58 |
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rangi |
thats one little efficiency thats easy to make |
| 01:58 |
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libsysguy |
that makes more sense….but its also nice to get off owrk :p |
| 01:58 |
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rangi |
:) |
| 01:58 |
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oleonard |
rangi: Doesn't that have the unwanted effect of making it easier to vote? |
| 01:58 |
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rangi |
oh yeah whoops |
| 01:58 |
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libsysguy |
can't have that |
| 01:58 |
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cjh |
agenda is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…],_7_November_2012 |
| 01:59 |
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| 01:59 |
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rangi |
any volunteers for chair? |
| 01:59 |
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William |
#info William |
| 01:59 |
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rangi |
havent started yet William :) |
| 01:59 |
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libsysguy |
you're too early William |
| 01:59 |
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libsysguy |
:p |
| 02:00 |
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William |
Allrighty then ...back to the election |
| 02:00 |
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William |
:) |
| 02:00 |
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rangi |
if no one volunteers you are gonna be stuck with me |
| 02:00 |
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jcamins |
Sounds good to me. |
| 02:00 |
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jcamins |
You have one hour. |
| 02:00 |
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libsysguy |
same |
| 02:00 |
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jcamins |
Go. |
| 02:00 |
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rangi |
#startmeeting |
| 02:00 |
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wahanui |
if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
| 02:00 |
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huginn |
Meeting started Wed Nov 7 02:00:25 2012 UTC. The chair is rangi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 02:00 |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. |
| 02:01 |
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rangi |
#topic Introductions |
| 02:01 |
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Topic for #koha is now Introductions |
| 02:01 |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 02:01 |
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oleonard |
#info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 02:01 |
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libsysguy |
#info Elliott Davis, ByWater Solutions |
| 02:01 |
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rangi |
#info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, Rmaint 3.8.x and 3.10.x |
| 02:01 |
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BobB |
#info Bob Birchall, Calyx information essentials |
| 02:01 |
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cjh |
#info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT |
| 02:01 |
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nancyk |
#info NancyK Reno |
| 02:01 |
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rhcl |
#info rhcl = Greg - Rolling Hills Consolidated Library |
| 02:01 |
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jwagner |
#info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
| 02:01 |
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jcamins |
#info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, Release Manager for 3.12 and RMaint emeritus for 3.6.x |
| 02:01 |
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eythian |
#info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT |
| 02:01 |
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libsysguy |
aww I forgot to add that I am QAA 3.12 |
| 02:01 |
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libsysguy |
shoot |
| 02:01 |
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clintD |
#info Clint Deckard, Anact |
| 02:02 |
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JDatTeTakere |
2#info Joanne Dillon (JD), Te Takere |
| 02:02 |
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rangi |
in blue even |
| 02:02 |
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rangi |
anyone else? |
| 02:02 |
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JDatTeTakere |
2Felt like being colourful :-) |
| 02:02 |
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mtj |
#info Mason James, NZ |
| 02:03 |
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rangi |
#topic Announcements |
| 02:03 |
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Topic for #koha is now Announcements |
| 02:03 |
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| 02:03 |
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kathryn |
#info Kathryn Tyree, Catalyst IT NZ |
| 02:03 |
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davidnind |
#infor David Nind, NZ |
| 02:03 |
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wizzyrea |
#info Liz Rea |
| 02:03 |
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rangi |
anyone have any announcements ? |
| 02:04 |
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rangi |
wizzyrea starts work at catalyst on monday |
| 02:04 |
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rangi |
thats the only one i have |
| 02:04 |
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wizzyrea |
\o/ |
| 02:04 |
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libsysguy |
I've starting working on automated testing |
| 02:04 |
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libsysguy |
with WWW::Mech |
| 02:04 |
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wizzyrea |
libsysguy++ |
| 02:04 |
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rangi |
cool |
| 02:04 |
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libsysguy |
ill publish the repo soon |
| 02:05 |
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| 02:05 |
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rangi |
#action libsysguy to publish repo of his mechanized testing suite |
| 02:05 |
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rangi |
anything else before we move on? |
| 02:05 |
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jcamins |
#info We now have a repository for a version of git-bz customized for Koha at http://git.koha-community.org/[…]-bz.git;a=summary |
| 02:05 |
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mtj |
#info i've just eaten waaay too many samosas :/ |
| 02:05 |
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jcamins |
That's it from me. |
| 02:05 |
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wizzyrea |
oooo |
| 02:05 |
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wizzyrea |
to both |
| 02:05 |
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rangi |
git-bz++ |
| 02:06 |
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libsysguy |
git-bz++ |
| 02:06 |
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wizzyrea |
^^ what he said |
| 02:06 |
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rangi |
#topic update on 3.8 |
| 02:06 |
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Topic for #koha is now update on 3.8 |
| 02:06 |
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rangi |
3.8 is coming along nicely, on schedule for 3.8.7 release on time |
| 02:06 |
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cjh |
awesome |
| 02:06 |
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libsysguy |
is it going to include the hourly fixes? |
| 02:06 |
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libsysguy |
for use with the calendar |
| 02:07 |
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rangi |
if they are pushed to master then yes |
| 02:07 |
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libsysguy |
hehe |
| 02:07 |
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libsysguy |
fair enough |
| 02:07 |
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rangi |
ie signed off, passed qa, and pushed, then ill cherry pick them to 3.8.x |
| 02:07 |
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rangi |
#topic update on 3.10 |
| 02:07 |
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Topic for #koha is now update on 3.10 |
| 02:08 |
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rangi |
we have no paul, but i think reading the newsletter is a good idea |
| 02:08 |
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jcamins |
paul_p isn't here, so I'll give what information I have. |
| 02:08 |
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rangi |
#link http://koha-community.org/koha[…]er-11-12-2012-10/ |
| 02:08 |
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| 02:08 |
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jcamins |
Now that 3.10.x has been branched and I am pushing to master we have an additional set of eyes looking over code before it gets into 3.10.x. |
| 02:09 |
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rangi |
excellent |
| 02:09 |
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jcamins |
Paul is cherry-picking bugfixes that do not include string changes. |
| 02:09 |
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jcamins |
Any code that either of us is uncomfortable with will probably not go into master until after 3.10.x is released. |
| 02:09 |
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jcamins |
*3.10.0 |
| 02:10 |
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jcamins |
("probably" because there is always the possibility -- however slight -- of an error) |
| 02:10 |
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kathryn |
oops I forgot about tweetbot sorry for the interruption, my jokes always backfire... |
| 02:10 |
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rangi |
sounds good to me |
| 02:10 |
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jcamins |
As far as I know, 3.10.0 is on-schedule |
| 02:10 |
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jcamins |
I will address 3.12 when we get there. |
| 02:10 |
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rangi |
anyone have anything else for 3.10? |
| 02:11 |
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jcamins |
Oh, one more thing. |
| 02:11 |
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jcamins |
TEST BUGFIXES!!!! |
| 02:11 |
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rangi |
oh yes |
| 02:11 |
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rangi |
#action everyone test bug fixes |
| 02:11 |
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rangi |
#topic 3.12 |
| 02:11 |
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Topic for #koha is now 3.12 |
| 02:11 |
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jcamins |
#action Test and sign off on the bugfixes that are already in Bugzilla, and test 3.10.x/master and fix any bugs you find. |
| 02:12 |
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jcamins |
Oh, rangi beat me. |
| 02:12 |
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rangi |
heh |
| 02:12 |
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rangi |
you again jcamins |
| 02:12 |
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Irma |
sorry I am late # Irma CALYX information essentials - Sydney |
| 02:12 |
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Irma |
hi all |
| 02:12 |
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jcamins |
The master branch will be 3.11 once 3.10.0 is released. |
| 02:13 |
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jcamins |
Right now I am only pushing 3.10-safe fixes to that branch. |
| 02:13 |
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rangi |
cool |
| 02:13 |
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| 02:13 |
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jcamins |
However, as non-3.10 patches pass QA I am applying them to an integration branch on my local machine. |
| 02:13 |
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jcamins |
This brings up an important point. |
| 02:14 |
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jcamins |
One of the bugs that was marked "Passed QA" was marked that BY ITS AUTHOR, without ANY member of the QA team approving it. |
| 02:14 |
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jcamins |
Attached to that bug were no fewer than *three* patches that had not been tested by anyone. |
| 02:14 |
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rangi |
down with that kind of thing |
| 02:14 |
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wizzyrea |
ew yea not acceptable. |
| 02:14 |
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jcamins |
That is not, and never has been acceptable. |
| 02:15 |
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jcamins |
The change in release manager does not mean a relaxation of QA standards. |
| 02:15 |
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jcamins |
I will, in fact, be requesting additional signoffs from members of the QA team whenever they QA patches. |
| 02:15 |
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rangi |
shall i do an info point only qa team can mark things passed-qa ? |
| 02:15 |
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jcamins |
Yes, good idea. |
| 02:16 |
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wizzyrea |
I think bugzilla can manage that sort of thing or no? |
| 02:16 |
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wizzyrea |
with permissions |
| 02:16 |
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wizzyrea |
bugzilla can do some crazy awesome things. |
| 02:16 |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: I'm not sure. But if it can, that might be good. |
| 02:16 |
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libsysguy |
yeah can we fix that kind of thing with perms |
| 02:16 |
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rangi |
#info only qa team should mark patches passed qa, unless there are some crazy circumstances like security and everyone is on holiday in tahiti or something |
| 02:16 |
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wizzyrea |
wewt |
| 02:16 |
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jcamins |
#action Find out if we can set Bugzilla permissions so that only the QA team can mark things "Passed QA" |
| 02:16 |
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wizzyrea |
tahiti_holiday++ |
| 02:16 |
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jcamins |
Let's see, what else? |
| 02:17 |
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cjh |
although if a patch is 'passed qa' and then goes 'in discussion' it would require a qa team member to put it back to 'passed qa', is this desired? |
| 02:17 |
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jcamins |
cjh: I'm leaning towards "yes." |
| 02:17 |
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wizzyrea |
yea, I tend to agree with hat |
| 02:17 |
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wizzyrea |
that* |
| 02:17 |
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libsysguy |
same |
| 02:17 |
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rangi |
i think we have a big team now |
| 02:17 |
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rangi |
that should be ok |
| 02:17 |
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jcamins |
The bug report that I'm referring to was set to "Passed QA" by the author several times. |
| 02:17 |
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cjh |
eek |
| 02:17 |
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wizzyrea |
!! |
| 02:17 |
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wizzyrea |
oy |
| 02:17 |
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cjh |
jcamins++ # for bringing it up |
| 02:18 |
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jcamins |
Other than that, I expect a nice tight six-month release cycle, and I'll be preparing monthly "previews." |
| 02:18 |
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eythian |
a general reinforcement of the rules would be good |
| 02:18 |
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wizzyrea |
I like your style. |
| 02:18 |
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eythian |
I've seen a patch by company X that was signed off by someone associated with X, and then the QA signoff was also from X. |
| 02:18 |
|
eythian |
And it broke things for other people. |
| 02:19 |
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rangi |
yeah, now the team is big too, its easy to stop that |
| 02:19 |
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jcamins |
Yes. That's a good point. |
| 02:19 |
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rangi |
i think cait will be great at managing those things |
| 02:19 |
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jcamins |
During the 3.12 cycle I'll be leaning on cait a lot to deal with delegation. |
| 02:20 |
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libsysguy |
cait will rule with an iron fist |
| 02:20 |
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| 02:21 |
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BobB |
:) |
| 02:21 |
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jcamins |
#info During the 3.12 release cycle, the RM will assign the QAM as QA contact to bugs where he is concerned about a conflict of interest, and the QAM can delegate as appropriate. |
| 02:21 |
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jcamins |
I think that's pretty much it from me. |
| 02:21 |
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rangi |
thanks jcamins |
| 02:21 |
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jcamins |
Oh, one more thing. |
| 02:21 |
|
* rangi |
pauses |
| 02:22 |
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jcamins |
#info The RM will prepare a "roadmap" for 3.12 after 3.10.0 is released, but since the focus is on "stability," don't expect a detailed plan for exactly what we're going to be working on at any given point. |
| 02:22 |
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jcamins |
That's it. |
| 02:22 |
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rangi |
jcamins++ |
| 02:22 |
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Irma |
Is there a date for the next Global Bug Squashing Day? |
| 02:22 |
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oleonard |
jcamins++ |
| 02:22 |
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rangi |
#topic kohacon13 |
| 02:22 |
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Topic for #koha is now kohacon13 |
| 02:22 |
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wizzyrea |
jcamins++ i like roadmaps |
| 02:23 |
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cjh |
heh |
| 02:23 |
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rangi |
Irma: can you ask that again when we get to miscallaneous please |
| 02:23 |
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Irma |
ok |
| 02:23 |
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rangi |
but spelt right ;) |
| 02:23 |
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rangi |
nancyk: did you have any information about kohacon13 ? |
| 02:23 |
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nancyk |
almost finished touring hotels, have it narrowed down to 3 |
| 02:23 |
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rangi |
oh cool |
| 02:23 |
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nancyk |
looks like mid odtober |
| 02:24 |
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nancyk |
rats bad spelling |
| 02:24 |
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rangi |
cool |
| 02:24 |
|
rangi |
#info kohacon13 dates are looking like mid october |
| 02:24 |
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Irma |
nancyk ++ |
| 02:24 |
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nancyk |
We will get info on the web site and wiki as soon as we know which hotel |
| 02:25 |
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nancyk |
Excited!!!! |
| 02:25 |
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libsysguy |
nancyk I require a beautyrest in my hotel :p |
| 02:25 |
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jcamins |
Could you put a link to the KohaCon13 website and wiki pages in the minutes? |
| 02:25 |
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rangi |
nancyk++ |
| 02:25 |
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wizzyrea |
lol. |
| 02:25 |
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oleonard |
What's the weather like in October? |
| 02:25 |
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wizzyrea |
well you are our "hottest developer" so there's that. |
| 02:25 |
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libsysguy |
nancyk++ |
| 02:25 |
|
rangi |
#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]KohaCon13_Summary |
| 02:25 |
|
libsysguy |
I do have to keep up my beauty :p |
| 02:25 |
|
rangi |
and |
| 02:25 |
|
nancyk |
70s and sometimes 80s sunny |
| 02:25 |
|
* wizzyrea |
giggles |
| 02:26 |
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rangi |
#link http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon13-2/ |
| 02:26 |
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wizzyrea |
sounds pretty perfect ;) |
| 02:26 |
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oleonard |
Swank. |
| 02:26 |
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thd |
#info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme , New York City, survived the blackout and heatout |
| 02:26 |
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rangi |
good to see you safe and sound thd |
| 02:26 |
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wizzyrea |
yes! thd made it through sandy! |
| 02:26 |
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rhcl |
thd: nor'easter coming, right |
| 02:26 |
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rhcl |
? |
| 02:26 |
|
rangi |
does anyone else have anything else about kohacon13 ? |
| 02:26 |
|
nancyk |
no |
| 02:27 |
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davidnind |
70 F = 21 degrees C |
| 02:27 |
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rangi |
#topic actions from the last meeting |
| 02:27 |
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Topic for #koha is now actions from the last meeting |
| 02:27 |
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rangi |
i don tthink we had any actions? |
| 02:28 |
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jcamins |
I don't see any. |
| 02:28 |
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rangi |
moving on |
| 02:28 |
|
rangi |
#topic Miscellaneous |
| 02:28 |
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Topic for #koha is now Miscellaneous |
| 02:28 |
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BobB |
spelt right, too |
| 02:28 |
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rangi |
Irma: you had a question? :) |
| 02:28 |
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| 02:29 |
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BobB |
it was about Global Bug Squashing Day, is there a date? |
| 02:29 |
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Irma |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day Next date? |
| 02:29 |
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Irma |
snap |
| 02:29 |
|
rangi |
ah, magnus usually organises that |
| 02:29 |
|
rangi |
id suggest an email to the koha-devel list |
| 02:30 |
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wizzyrea |
he's sleeping :) |
| 02:30 |
|
rangi |
of course, we could just pick a date ;) |
| 02:30 |
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rangi |
itd be good to do one before 3.10.0 |
| 02:30 |
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jcamins |
It's usually the second Friday. |
| 02:30 |
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rangi |
*nod* |
| 02:30 |
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rangi |
which is tomorrow |
| 02:30 |
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Irma |
Stefan is in Sydney until 3/12 so before then would be good |
| 02:30 |
|
rangi |
in nz |
| 02:31 |
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jcamins |
Which would be... 9 November |
| 02:31 |
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oleonard |
I'd love to see people try to lead testing on patches they have written which have languished in the needs-signoff queue for a long time. |
| 02:31 |
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mtj |
or 16th nov, the friday after that? |
| 02:31 |
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rangi |
i think the 9th is good |
| 02:31 |
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rangi |
15th is string freeze for 3.8.x |
| 02:32 |
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rangi |
adn we dont want a pile of patches the week before 3.10.0 |
| 02:32 |
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mtj |
yeah, so 16th not so good |
| 02:32 |
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jcamins |
I'm fine with the 16th, but keep in mind that I _am_ a stickler, and we have two people pushing code to get it into 3.10.x, so some patches would probably get deferred for 3.10.1 |
| 02:32 |
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rangi |
yeah |
| 02:32 |
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jcamins |
And by "probably" I mean "I am absolutely certain." |
| 02:32 |
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rangi |
#idea bug squashing day on the 9th of november |
| 02:33 |
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rangi |
if people want it to happen then, they just need to make a wiki page |
| 02:33 |
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rangi |
and send out emails |
| 02:33 |
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rangi |
any one want to volunteer to do that ? |
| 02:34 |
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wizzyrea |
hrm think it'll actually get any traction? does it have to be a friday? |
| 02:34 |
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rangi |
nope |
| 02:34 |
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rangi |
make it monday and ill make it your job to test patches *grin* |
| 02:34 |
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wizzyrea |
^.^ |
| 02:35 |
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Irma |
Friday 9th Nov or Mon 12th Nov ok for CALYX |
| 02:35 |
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rangi |
well i think the secret with it, like pretty much everything in koha, is someone needs to organise/do it |
| 02:35 |
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rangi |
and magnuse is conferencing |
| 02:35 |
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rangi |
and so is cait |
| 02:35 |
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rangi |
and they usually do it |
| 02:35 |
|
rangi |
so someone else will need to step up |
| 02:36 |
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oleonard |
I can to the wiki and the emails if we can settle on a date |
| 02:36 |
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mtj |
im trying to work out how to use a 'Template:Globsquad' template to make a new GSBD page |
| 02:36 |
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mtj |
+1 9th nov |
| 02:37 |
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Irma |
+ 9th nov |
| 02:37 |
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Irma |
+1 9th nov |
| 02:37 |
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oleonard |
Will magnus and cait still be conferencing Friday? Monday? |
| 02:37 |
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rangi |
cait will be make on friday |
| 02:38 |
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thd |
+1 12 Nov. |
| 02:38 |
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stefan-l |
+1 9th nov |
| 02:38 |
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jcamins |
What about GBSW? - Global Bug Squashing Weekend |
| 02:38 |
|
jcamins |
We're approaching 3.10. |
| 02:38 |
|
rangi |
true |
| 02:38 |
|
jcamins |
Now is a good time to really focus on testing. |
| 02:38 |
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rangi |
yup |
| 02:39 |
|
* oleonard |
can bug-squash at work but too many obligations at home |
| 02:39 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: right, that's why it's Friday-Monday. |
| 02:39 |
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jcamins |
*College* weekend. |
| 02:39 |
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oleonard |
I see |
| 02:39 |
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jcamins |
Not real person weekend. :P |
| 02:39 |
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cjh |
I feel 2 days is a bit short notice, hopefully we can get enough people |
| 02:39 |
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jcamins |
Right, so we also have 5 days notice for Monday. |
| 02:40 |
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jcamins |
We'll call it a sprint, or a storm, or whatever's cool in project management. |
| 02:40 |
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cjh |
heh |
| 02:40 |
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thd |
storm :) |
| 02:40 |
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jcamins |
#action jcamins will mark candidates for 3.10 that are in "Needs signoff" assuming he has power this week. |
| 02:40 |
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mtj |
i love the bugs squash weekend idea |
| 02:40 |
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rangi |
scrum storm sprint |
| 02:41 |
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cjh |
a bug squash weekend sounds cool. |
| 02:41 |
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rangi |
dont kick the ball |
| 02:41 |
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rangi |
pass it |
| 02:41 |
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oleonard |
Anyone object to GBSW? |
| 02:41 |
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rangi |
not me |
| 02:41 |
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BobB |
What about starting on Friday and letting it run until Monday? Is that the suggestion? |
| 02:41 |
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jcamins |
This will make it easier for people to prioritize for the bug squashers. |
| 02:41 |
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rangi |
thats the one BobB |
| 02:41 |
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jcamins |
BobB: exactly. :) |
| 02:41 |
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BobB |
cool |
| 02:41 |
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mtj |
koha bitzkrieg |
| 02:42 |
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wizzyrea |
O.o |
| 02:42 |
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jcamins |
So, let's vote? |
| 02:42 |
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mtj |
'Shock and Awe!' |
| 02:42 |
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jcamins |
+1 |
| 02:42 |
|
rangi |
+1 |
| 02:42 |
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oleonard |
+1 |
| 02:42 |
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Irma |
+1 |
| 02:43 |
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davidnind |
+1 |
| 02:43 |
|
mtj |
+1 |
| 02:43 |
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cjh |
+1 |
| 02:43 |
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thd |
+1 all weekend although I am otherwise committed |
| 02:43 |
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libsysguy |
+1 |
| 02:44 |
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stefan-l |
+1 on friday |
| 02:44 |
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BobB |
+1 |
| 02:44 |
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rangi |
#agreed Global bug squashing weekend starting november 9th |
| 02:45 |
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rangi |
ok, anything else before we move on to the date for the next meeting? |
| 02:45 |
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jcamins |
Not from me. |
| 02:46 |
|
rangi |
ok |
| 02:46 |
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Irma |
RDA and getting Koha ready for it ... |
| 02:46 |
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rangi |
heh, thats more of a wiki page i think |
| 02:46 |
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BobB |
..that's a big one! |
| 02:46 |
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rangi |
first they need to decide which rda :) |
| 02:47 |
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rangi |
but yeah, can we move that one to the list? |
| 02:47 |
|
rangi |
and/or wiki? |
| 02:47 |
|
rangi |
http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/RDA |
| 02:47 |
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thd |
The MARC framewarks are years out of date. Funding disappeared for that work. |
| 02:47 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, I'd say the wiki is the place for that discussion. |
| 02:48 |
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Irma |
Should we enter it as an agenda item for the next meetings though? |
| 02:48 |
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oleonard |
I'm not sure that would be productive before a list/wiki discussion has started |
| 02:48 |
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BobB |
Prolly need to get more momentum first, via the wiki. |
| 02:49 |
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rangi |
yeah |
| 02:49 |
|
wizzyrea |
^^ |
| 02:49 |
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Irma |
So that we can briefly discuss progress and necessary actions? |
| 02:49 |
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rangi |
then organise a meeting of ppl interested in it |
| 02:49 |
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oleonard |
speaking of which, we need to get the license upgrade conversation started again too |
| 02:49 |
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rangi |
not really a general topic i dont think |
| 02:49 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, wiki and/or list, then when there's an action, discuss it in a general meeting. |
| 02:49 |
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thd |
We should be trying to push it so that people can at least have full RDA records from copy cataloguing when those start becoming widely available. |
| 02:49 |
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wizzyrea |
I feel like I need to know what exactly needs to be done? "RDA support" is pretty nebulous for me |
| 02:50 |
|
eythian |
the wiki page makes a few starting points |
| 02:50 |
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rangi |
yep, those are all opinions |
| 02:50 |
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rangi |
and ripe for putting on a wiki page :) |
| 02:50 |
|
* rangi |
moves on |
| 02:50 |
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thd |
I am well informed about RDA and paid for some expensive classes. |
| 02:50 |
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rangi |
#topic date for next meeting |
| 02:50 |
|
|
Topic for #koha is now date for next meeting |
| 02:50 |
|
rangi |
(i warned you about letting me chair, i have an awards thingy to go to later) |
| 02:51 |
|
rangi |
the next time is 18:00 UTC |
| 02:51 |
|
wizzyrea |
+1 |
| 02:51 |
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thd |
I like the pace :) |
| 02:51 |
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rangi |
so who has a date in mind? |
| 02:51 |
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thd |
early in the month please |
| 02:51 |
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BobB |
5 Dec? |
| 02:52 |
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Irma |
5/12? |
| 02:52 |
|
wahanui |
0.416666666666667 |
| 02:52 |
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mtj |
5 dec |
| 02:52 |
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davidnind |
5 December - first Wednesday of the MOnth? |
| 02:52 |
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BobB |
that's the first Wednesday in Dec |
| 02:52 |
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rangi |
sounds good |
| 02:52 |
|
cjh |
sounds good. |
| 02:52 |
|
rangi |
lets vote |
| 02:52 |
|
jcamins |
+1 |
| 02:52 |
|
mtj |
+1 |
| 02:52 |
|
cjh |
+1 |
| 02:52 |
|
oleonard |
+1 |
| 02:52 |
|
JDatTeTakere |
+1 |
| 02:52 |
|
thd |
+1 |
| 02:52 |
|
rangi |
+1 |
| 02:52 |
|
Irma |
+1 |
| 02:52 |
|
davidnind |
+1 |
| 02:52 |
|
nancyk |
+1 |
| 02:52 |
|
jwagner |
+1 |
| 02:52 |
|
kathryn |
+1 |
| 02:52 |
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mtj |
obama wins! |
| 02:53 |
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wizzyrea |
we can hope ;) |
| 02:53 |
|
rangi |
heh |
| 02:53 |
|
Irma |
Great voting! If only US elections were this simple ;-) |
| 02:53 |
|
rangi |
#agreed Next meeting is Decmber 5 18:00 UTC |
| 02:53 |
|
mtj |
ok, see y'all next 5 dec |
| 02:53 |
|
rangi |
December too |
| 02:53 |
|
rangi |
decememememeber |
| 02:54 |
|
rangi |
#endmeeting |
| 02:54 |
|
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Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The next general meeting is 7 November 2012 2:00 UTC |
| 02:54 |
|
huginn |
Meeting ended Wed Nov 7 02:53:43 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 02:54 |
|
huginn |
Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-11-07-02.00.html |
| 02:54 |
|
huginn |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]2-11-07-02.00.txt |
| 02:54 |
|
huginn |
Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]07-02.00.log.html |
| 02:54 |
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Irma |
rangi ++ |
| 02:54 |
|
BobB |
Thanks rangi |
| 02:54 |
|
oleonard |
And not again until then mtj? ;) |
| 02:54 |
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mtj |
thanks for chairing chris |
| 02:54 |
|
cjh |
rangi++ |
| 02:54 |
|
davidnind |
rangi++ |
| 02:54 |
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thd |
jcamins: Did you try shopping for food last week? |
| 02:55 |
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mtj |
oleonard, well… some of you before then |
| 02:55 |
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rangi |
who is gary johnson? |
| 02:55 |
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clintD |
rangi: good luck tonight, enjoy |
| 02:55 |
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jcamins |
thd: thankfully the first day I had to was Saturday. |
| 02:55 |
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rangi |
ahh libertarian |
| 02:55 |
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jcamins |
It took four stores to find milk and cream. |
| 02:55 |
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jcamins |
And potatoes. |
| 02:56 |
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oleonard |
rangi: He gets the stoner vote with Ron Paul out of the running. |
| 02:56 |
|
jcamins |
lol |
| 02:56 |
|
wizzyrea |
i'm glad you got supplies before the storm hit |
| 02:56 |
|
wizzyrea |
thd what has it been like for you? |
| 02:57 |
|
thd |
jcamins: Apparently provisions were often better in the blackout zone if you could find some place open by torchlight. |
| 02:58 |
|
thd |
wizzyrea: It was very, very cold in a building with no insulation, no cooking facilities, and no hot water. |
| 02:59 |
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jcamins |
We're far enough out that we had power, so the stores were mostly open, they just didn't have anything left. |
| 03:00 |
|
thd |
wizzyrea: There is a modest corner market a couple of blocks from me which never closes for any cause whatever which was open by torchlight selling out their basement. |
| 03:00 |
|
cjh |
hahahh awesome |
| 03:01 |
|
thd |
wizzyrea: I was able to find some vegetables locally by torchlight which were sold out at supermarkets. |
| 03:01 |
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jcamins |
Okay, I have marked all "Needs signoff" bugs that will be held for 3.12 as such. |
| 03:02 |
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wizzyrea |
oy! |
| 03:03 |
|
thd |
wizzyrea: I walked 90 blocks last Wednesday collecting food for a couple of people who were not mobile enough to procure their own. |
| 03:03 |
|
bag |
thd++ |
| 03:03 |
|
wizzyrea |
thd++ |
| 03:04 |
|
rangi |
thd++ |
| 03:04 |
|
thd |
wizzyrea: Walking was many times faster than taking the bus in the giant traffic jam resulting from insufficient subway service. |
| 03:04 |
|
wizzyrea |
yea, I hear transit is a nightmare |
| 03:06 |
|
thd |
Services have been restored much faster than I had been expecting, although, going to Brooklyn or Staten Island is still a major problem. |
| 03:08 |
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wizzyrea |
*nod* that's what I've been hearing. I also heard that the jersey shore was obliterated |
| 03:08 |
|
thd |
Do not ever discard your land line with the telephone services independent power source. |
| 03:09 |
|
eythian |
been meaning to buy a cheap one of those for those situations |
| 03:09 |
|
thd |
The New Jersey shore was where Sandy landed, however, despite the damage, Sandy was merely a cyclone by the time it landed in New Jersey. |
| 03:10 |
|
jcamins |
Southern Long Island is a mess. |
| 03:10 |
|
jcamins |
One of my clients lives out there. |
| 03:10 |
|
jcamins |
In the last building in Long Beach. |
| 03:10 |
|
thd |
People in the US northeast have no idea what an actual proper hurricane would be like. |
| 03:10 |
|
jcamins |
The building is still standing, but he's moved into the city for the foreseeable future. |
| 03:11 |
|
thd |
The minimum sustained wind speed for a hurricane is double what Sandy had when it landed. |
| 03:11 |
|
jcamins |
thd: the damage wasn't from the wind... it was from the water. |
| 03:12 |
|
thd |
jcamins: However, the convection forces which brought the water are related to wind. |
| 03:12 |
|
thd |
Sandy produced very little rain in the US. |
| 03:13 |
|
wizzyrea |
well and from what I read - it wasn't the fact that sandy was a hurricane, it was that it was a hurricane colliding with a nor'easter |
| 03:13 |
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thd |
Irene, last year, had much more rain. |
| 03:13 |
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jcamins |
I was told it was the hurricane + high tide. |
| 03:14 |
|
thd |
jcamins, wizzyrea: Exactly, the combination of storm convection, and high tidal forces. |
| 03:15 |
|
thd |
jcamins: The New York Times reported last year about the only hurricane recorded to every hit very near New York City. |
| 03:15 |
|
rangi |
CNN calls the Shire with Baggins getting 54%, but is projecting an easy win in Mordor for Sauron. Isengard is still up for grabs. |
| 03:16 |
|
oleonard |
That Sauron, all he cared about was the 1%. |
| 03:16 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: well, he had only one ring to rule them all. |
| 03:16 |
|
wizzyrea |
lol. |
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wizzyrea |
loooool |
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jcamins |
You try ruling 99% with one ring! |
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thd |
I think it was 1938 that Long Island was washed over by tide and waves with a direct hurricane hit. |
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wizzyrea |
i read an article the other day, talking about the jersey shor |
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wizzyrea |
that the man made seawalls were eroding the beach that actually protects the land |
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jcamins |
The family of my best friend growing up has a house in Barnegat Light. |
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jcamins |
One of only three beaches on LBI that wasn't substantially washed away, apparently. |
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thd |
wizzyrea: Count on us foolish humans to much up any natural protection. |
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jcamins |
I guess a lot of residents have been trying to prevent the government from rebuilding the natural dunes, or something like that. |
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jcamins |
(on LBI, not in Barnegat Light) |
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thd |
However, if you build your house on the sand, then you should expect what you get. you |
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oleonard |
See you in 10 hours #koha |
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rangi |
cya oleonard |
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thd |
jcamins: Do you know anyone who lives in Hoboken, New Jersey? |
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jcamins |
thd: yeah, my cousins. |
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jcamins |
They've been staying with other family. |
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thd |
jcamins: I met someone last night from Hoboken who said that the national guard had removed her. |
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jcamins |
As far as I know they still haven't been able to go back to Hoboken. |
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thd |
jcamins: This young woman was odly buying pictures to hang on her wall as if the world was about to end. |
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jcamins |
Why would you buy pictures to hang on your wall if the world was about to end? |
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jcamins |
Wouldn't you buy chocolate? |
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thd |
jcamins: If you thought that you had only one last look at the world some people would buy pictures other people would buy chocolate. |
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* jcamins |
would buy chocolate. |
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* thd |
would read a book if there was any light. |
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jcamins |
And sweetened condensed milk, sugar, and matches. |
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jcamins |
If the world is going to end, I'd like it to end with the prospect of pomegranate fudge in the afterlife. |
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* jcamins |
heads to bed. |
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eythian |
http://youtu.be/dX_1B0w7Hzc |
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thd |
jcamins: Good night. |
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* thd |
hunts some food by plentiful electric light with the knowledge of how very easy it is now. |
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rangi |
:) |
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eythian |
can someone who has a tarball install handy tell me what directory the 'history.txt' file ends up in? |
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rangi |
hmm dont have one handy sorry |
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Oak |
kia ora #koha |
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Oak |
missed the meeting :( |
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mtj |
eythian, about? |
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mtj |
is it common to do a dist-upgrade on a koha-common package, anyone? |
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Oak |
guten morgen cait |
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Oak |
hwo is marcus? |
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cait |
hello Oak |
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cait |
doing well, growing and drooling |
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alex_a_ |
bonjour |
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reiveune |
hello |
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hello |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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wahanui |
que tal, gaetan_B |
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* cait |
waves |
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drojf |
hi cait |
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cait |
hi drojf |
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cait |
the first Norwegian Koha day is about to start soon :) |
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drojf |
\o/ |
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drojf |
will you be speaking in norwegian? :P |
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cait |
um... no, |
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cait |
magnuse will talk enough norwegian for the two of us :) |
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cait |
mveron++ |
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* cait |
waves :) |
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cait |
@wunder Oslo, Norway |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Harestua, Harestua, Norway is -4.1°C (11:25 AM CET on November 07, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising). |
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cait |
@quote random |
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magnuse |
hiya #koha |
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huginn |
cait: Quote #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it" (added by gmcharlt at 06:23 PM, September 16, 2009) |
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magnuse |
anyone want to wave to 20 norwegian librarians learning about koha? |
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cait |
lds: no biblibre today? |
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cait |
quite quiet in here :) |
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lds |
cait: hello |
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* drojf |
missed the norwegians |
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drojf |
:( |
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clrh |
cait: we are here, don't worry ;) |
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StarseekR |
some of us got lured in, and are still here *waves* |
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* jcamins |
waves to the 20 Norwegian librarians. |
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* drojf |
waves to all lured in norwegians :) |
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* StarseekR |
waves back |
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drojf |
StarseekR: how is the workshop so far? |
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StarseekR |
interesting:) |
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drojf |
is it your first contact with koha? |
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jcamins |
My cat Myshkin extends his greetings as well. |
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StarseekR |
yep. have heard a lot about it, but never gotting around to looking into it on my own :D |
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drojf |
StarseekR: is it information about koha or do you also get hands-on training today? |
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cait |
hands on training will be later I think |
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cait |
now was lunch :) yum! |
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cait |
jcamins: you still around? |
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jcamins |
cait: yes. |
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jcamins |
I learned interesting things from your presentation. :) |
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jcamins |
I didn't realize that the National Library of Venezuela had updated. |
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jcamins |
Myshkin didn't realize how few cats had Koha catalogs. |
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jcamins |
He's insulted. |
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drojf |
after all i read about the us presidential election i wonder when some world police-y country will invade the usa to bring democracy |
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jcamins |
drojf: I expect it will be a long time. After all, it's usually the US doing the invading. |
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drojf |
it's wise to allow cannabis so people don't complain ;) |
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koyauni |
hi guys, when I search Z39.5 to update an existing record, it will find the record, but the TITLE is empty, and when imported, the record is updated, and when listed there is no title, I have tried with many records, and the results is the same. |
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jcamins |
What source are you using? |
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koyauni |
has anyone came cross something like this |
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jcamins |
I have not. |
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koyauni |
British Libray and LOC |
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koyauni |
this is new, it did not use to be link this |
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jcamins |
What did you change? |
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koyauni |
look at this |
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koyauni |
http://library.koyauniversity.[…]?biblionumber=634 |
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koyauni |
now the info is completed so I use Z39 to search and find the record and then import the data, |
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jcamins |
Okay, but what changed? |
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koyauni |
but now the data in Z39 does not shows the title |
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jcamins |
You said that. |
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koyauni |
I tried with many book and all comes with no title |
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jcamins |
Yes, I know. |
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jcamins |
What did you change? |
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jcamins |
Something must have changed. |
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koyauni |
so let me import fo this book and see what happens |
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jcamins |
If it just magically stopped working, the only thing you can do is wait for it to magically start working again. |
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koyauni |
I do not know what |
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koyauni |
:) |
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jcamins |
In that case I can't help you, sorry. |
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koyauni |
I see tag 245 has information but doe snot show |
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cait |
did you change the marcflavour setting? |
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cait |
(I hope not) |
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koyauni |
well this seams to happen only at admin side |
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drojf |
xslt something |
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koyauni |
since I updated the record via z39 now http://library.koyauniversity.[…]?biblionumber=634 |
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koyauni |
and only in admin the title is not shown! |
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koyauni |
what is marcflavour setting please |
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jcamins |
It is a system preference. |
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jcamins |
It sounds like what has happened is that you changed your MARC framework and broke it. |
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koyauni |
yes in Interpret and store MARC records in the which reads MRC21 |
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koyauni |
MARC21 |
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koyauni |
fixed now, XSLTDetailsDisplay set to default and works now |
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drojf |
my pleasure, you're welcome |
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drojf |
the answer to jcamins' question was "it stopped working after i changed my xslt file" btw. could have been quite easy |
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jcamins |
drojf: no, I'm pretty sure the answer to my question was "it stopped working after I erased a bunch of fields in the framework editor." |
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drojf |
jcamins: but how would changing the xslt repair that? |
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jcamins |
drojf: it didn't. |
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jcamins |
It's a workaround. |
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drojf |
how does that work? |
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jcamins |
The XSLT files do not use the frameworks. |
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drojf |
ah |
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drojf |
i see |
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drojf |
well, we will find out sooner or later |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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drojf |
hi oleonard |
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druthb |
o/ |
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cait |
hi druthb :) |
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druthb |
hi, cait. :) |
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oleonard |
How's your Norwegian shaping up cait? |
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cait |
I think I got thank you by now |
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cait |
but that's about it |
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cait |
from here it looks like magnuse is doing a great job and the location is very nice |
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oleonard |
Wow, want to make circulation.pl time out? Submit a barcode along with a long string of random numbers instead of a date under "specify due date" |
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libsysguy |
oleonard stop poking circulation…its a sad little function that only works under optimal conditions |
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cait |
meh. |
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oleonard |
Anyway, I'm making the field read only for Bug 8972 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8972 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Due Date set to 100 years ago. |
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* cait |
just discovered lots ofmissing sample data in the german web installer |
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cait |
some of it kinda mandatory :( |
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jcamins |
Oh, what do people think about turning off BiblioAddsAuthorities by default? |
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jcamins |
We get an awful lot of questions from people who can't figure out how to edit authority-controlled fields. |
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cait |
I am not sure about it really |
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oleonard |
Based on my library's workflow I would say yes, turn it off. But that doesn't mean we're doing it the "right" way. |
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jcamins |
I wonder if rangi has a backup of the jenkins database from 3.2. |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
this is puzzling. |
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chris_n |
jcamins: +1 |
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chris_n |
oleonard: I suspected as much with the current dt_from_string code |
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chris_n |
it does not have a "what you passed in does not validate" sort of catch |
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chris_n |
and so is probably subject to long, thoughtful musings over un-date-like strings passed in |
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jcamins |
oleonard++ |
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oleonard |
What do I have to do to get circulation to pop up that weird error dialog with the date field in it? |
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cait |
rangi++ |
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cait |
for always helping out newbies some of which some might be norwegian :) |
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cait |
oleonard: hm, maybe try a due date in the past? or do you mean something else? |
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cait |
oleonard++ too - awesome idea a bug squashing weekend :) |
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druthb |
hi, gmcharlt! |
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gmcharlt |
druthb: howdy! |
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* cait |
packs up |
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cait |
bye all :) |
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jcamins |
Would someone who was around during the Koha 3.0 release cycle give me a little hint about how to access the web installer? |
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jcamins |
It seems it's not automatic? |
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* oleonard |
squints through his inch-thick glasses and holds the horn up to his ear |
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oleonard |
Eh, sonny? |
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jcamins |
Nor directly... |
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jcamins |
I guess there's an error in the httpd.conf that it generated. |
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* oleonard |
has no idea, blames the senility |
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jcamins |
I'll try 3.0.6. |
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jcamins |
And then just keep going up until it works or I identify an actual problem. |
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jcamins |
Or I get bored. |
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jcamins |
I could always get bored. |
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oleonard |
cait++ # it was a date due in the past |
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jcamins |
Right... |
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jcamins |
I'm bored. |
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jcamins |
If anyone feels like installing old versions of Koha with all the sample data and then taking a dump of the database and sending it to me, I will use those databases to write a test for updating Koha. |
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jcamins |
Unfortunately Apache seems not to like the httpd.conf that Koha is generating. |
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jcamins |
I guess I could actually create a database by running all the .sql files I can find. |
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oleonard |
jcamins must be looking for stuff to do now that he can't comment on political blogs all day long |
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oleonard |
Oh no I submitted a patch. Should've saved it for Friday! |
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jcamins |
oleonard: if I were looking for stuff to do, I'd figure this out myself. :P |
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jcamins |
Right, loading the SQL files doesn't work. |
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jcamins |
Oh well. Testing upgrades would've been a good idea. |
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* chris_n |
digs in his basket of archives for a moment to see if there is an ancient 3.x backup there |
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chris_n |
jcamins: I have a db from 3.0002012 |
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chris_n |
if you are interested; I'll need you to sanitize it or dispose of it when done |
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jcamins |
I can sanitize it. |
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chris_n |
its 500MB, how do you want it sent along? |
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jcamins |
Hm. Do you use Dropbox? |
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chris_n |
not at present |
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* jcamins |
will add a user in his owncloud. One moment. |
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reiveune |
bye |
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oleonard |
nengard around? |
| 16:24 |
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nengard |
yes |
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oleonard |
I'm trying to reproduce Bug 9022 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9022 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , clicking two word tags says 'no tags' |
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oleonard |
Where are you when you click the tag? /tags/review.pl? |
| 16:25 |
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nengard |
yes |
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oleonard |
Chrome on Mac? |
| 16:26 |
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nengard |
firefox ? |
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wahanui |
hmmm... firefox is koha's preferred browser |
| 16:26 |
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nengard |
getting more info |
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oleonard |
Works for me in master in Firefox, Chrome, IE9 |
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oleonard |
I suspect it just needs a "url" filter on the template tag but I can't test if I can't reproduce. |
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nengard |
video coming |
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nengard |
it's not consistent |
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nengard |
http://screencast.com/t/1WmMR0RaAp |
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oleonard |
Have you confirmed that the tag links work in the OPAC? |
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nengard |
nope |
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nengard |
not sure how to do that since the tags in question are rejected or pending |
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nengard |
and so not visible to everyone |
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oleonard |
Does it affect the outcome if they are rejected or pending as opposed to approved? |
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nengard |
i don't know ? kinda doing catch up here and didn't test thoroughly, just wnated to jot it down before I forgot - i can troubleshoot more in 2 weeks :( I'm away the rest of this week and all but one day next week |
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nengard |
:( |
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oleonard |
Okay. |
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nengard |
maybe it's just that those titles were deleted ?. i didn't think about that |
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nengard |
might be worth checking on |
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oleonard |
I'm guessing that's what it is. |
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oleonard |
Is this the wrong URL or did something break? http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]bin/bug_status.pl |
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jcamins |
oleonard: I'm not sure. I meant to ask rangi but forgot. |
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ras0ir |
anyone knows why koha use pootle for translation? |
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jcamins |
ras0ir: it enables many people to work on translations simultaneously. |
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ras0ir |
but there are better alternatives such as transifex |
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jcamins |
Possibly other reasons, too. I don't know. |
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jcamins |
I suspect there probably weren't many other options in 2002. |
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oleonard |
Transifex is a paid service. |
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jcamins |
Also, where would the money come from to pay for something like that? |
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jcamins |
And how could we be confident it wouldn't just disappear? |
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ras0ir |
transifex is free for open source projects |
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oleonard |
...but is not itself open source. |
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ras0ir |
transifex is open source as well |
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oleonard |
Where do you see that ras0ir? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: https://github.com/transifex/transifex |
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jcamins |
If someone wanted to propose switching to transifex for 3.14, they could certainly do so. |
| 17:01 |
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jcamins |
That would make a good platform for a Translation Manager. |
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ras0ir |
absolutely |
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jcamins |
I don't see any prospect of changing the translation system during 3.12, but if you wanted to ask on the koha-translate list you certainly could. There may be other reasons we're using Pootle too. |
| 17:04 |
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jcamins |
(note: I am not the one who makes decisions about the translation system, I just don't foresee it happening) |
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ras0ir |
ok i'll ask on the koha-translate list |
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khall |
hey all, does anyone here want to enable sms alerts without paying for an sms gateway? If so, this is the patch for you: bug 9021 |
| 18:06 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9021 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add SMS via email as an alternative to SMS services via SMS::Send drivers |
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* magnuse |
waves from OSL |
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magnuse |
@later tell cait: the sushi wasn't any good anywat ;-) |
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huginn |
magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
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* magnuse |
drops a pin and is deafened by the sound |
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rangi |
hi magnus |
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rangi |
magnuse even |
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rangi |
and morning all |
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magnuse |
kia ora rangi! |
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bag |
heya rangi and magnuse |
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magnuse |
hiya bag |
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rangi |
fixed the bug_status.pl |
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oleonard |
Thanks rangi |
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oleonard |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]bin/bug_status.pl |
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oleonard |
Ouch. 120. |
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rangi |
yep |
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oleonard |
We have to halve that just to get it to where we were at the last GBSD |
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rangi |
yep |
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magnuse |
did someone propose a bug squashing weekend? |
| 19:20 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: yes. |
| 19:20 |
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magnuse |
yay |
| 19:20 |
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oleonard |
At the meeting yesterday magnuse |
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magnuse |
ah, i have not seen the log or even the minutes yet... |
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rangi |
im not sure anyone has put up the minutes yet, ill try to do that today |
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magnuse |
i'll add the links now |
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magnuse |
doe |
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magnuse |
and done, even |
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rangi |
thanks |
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chris_n |
so do we have a script which allows me to build a package from my git repo? |
| 19:35 |
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magnuse |
chris_n: have you seen debian/build-git-snapshot or something like that? |
| 19:36 |
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magnuse |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]es_-_The_Easy_Way |
| 19:36 |
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chris_n |
cool |
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* magnuse |
wanders off to catch a plane |
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rangi |
transifex would be interesting to me, if i saw it running on someones server |
| 19:37 |
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jcamins |
Only 2569 files left to download before the TeXLive installation can start. |
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* chris_n |
is looking for the best way to handle local development which needs to be applied in production without waiting for it to be pushed in a release |
| 19:38 |
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rangi |
or if it had an INSTALL file |
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jcamins |
chris_n: local branch that tracks upstream. |
| 19:38 |
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jcamins |
Then build packages, test, and install in production. |
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chris_n |
that's sort of what I was thinking |
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rangi |
yep |
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jcamins |
That's how I do it. |
| 19:38 |
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rangi |
we do that daily |
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chris_n |
most development can wait, but some is being screamed for :) |
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* jcamins |
does it monthly. |
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jcamins |
Well, unless there's something important. |
| 19:39 |
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jcamins |
In which case I do it more often. |
| 19:39 |
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jcamins |
Naturally. |
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rangi |
(for staging servers) |
| 19:39 |
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rangi |
but yeah building packages is pretty simple once you ahve your environment up |
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* chris_n |
is thinking this eliminates the horrors of merge conflicts and fiends |
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chris_n |
opps, friends |
| 19:41 |
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jcamins |
Well, there can still be conflicts. |
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rangi |
yep |
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rangi |
but they are easier to handle |
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rangi |
and if it is a local branch, i wouldnt do merges |
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rangi |
but rebase |
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rangi |
heres how i do a branch that is 3.6.x based but with some customisations |
| 19:42 |
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jcamins |
Really? |
| 19:42 |
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rangi |
yes |
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rangi |
lemme show you |
| 19:42 |
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jcamins |
I was doing rebase at first, but ran into problems. |
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rangi |
git rebase -i v3.06.04 --onto v3.08.05 |
| 19:42 |
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rangi |
actually |
| 19:42 |
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rangi |
git rebase -i v3.06.04 --onto v3.06.05 |
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chris_n |
whew |
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rangi |
3.6.5 then my changes |
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jcamins |
rangi: does that help you avoid fixing the same merge conflicts every time? |
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rangi |
yep |
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jcamins |
That's why I switched to merge. |
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rangi |
the -i |
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rangi |
if you fix the commits |
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rangi |
then they dont conflict again |
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rangi |
you can also take the opportunity to squash some |
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rangi |
with -i |
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rangi |
but the real advantage is it ends up like this |
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jcamins |
Ooh. Hot cocoa. |
| 19:45 |
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jcamins |
This is a good idea. |
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rangi |
http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]hauraki-packaging |
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jcamins |
Interesting. |
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wahanui |
interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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rangi |
all the local changes, all at the top |
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rangi |
easy to see |
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rangi |
and to try to get rid of |
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jcamins |
When I did just "git rebase kc/3.6.x," I ended up with a horrible mess by the second time. |
| 19:46 |
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rangi |
each rebase that list gets shorter |
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rangi |
--onto is key |
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jcamins |
I'll have to do that for 3.8.x when I switch. |
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* chris_n |
looks |
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rangi |
http://blog.thebehrens.net/201[…]onsidered-useful/ |
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chris_n |
very nice |
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chris_n |
keeping them at the top and eliminating local commits asap are my two primary concerns |
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rangi |
yep |
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rangi |
it works great for that |
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chris_n |
that hopefully makes upgrading as pain-free as possible |
| 19:49 |
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rangi |
hmm so did i miss something |
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rangi |
or has purchase suggestions never sent email? |
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jcamins |
No idea. |
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francharb |
hi all |
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jcamins |
It didn't ring any bells with me. |
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bag |
I've gotten emails that say purchase suggestion accepted |
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oleonard |
Hi francharb |
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bag |
is that what you are talking about |
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francharb |
hi oleonard |
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* chris_n |
has no idea |
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francharb |
how is it going |
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francharb |
? |
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chris_n |
hi francharb |
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francharb |
hi chris_n |
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rangi |
hmm yeah that bit does, but when someone makes one on the opac it doesnt email the library eh? |
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jcamins |
Hi francharb. |
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francharb |
0/ jcamins |
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bag |
let me check rangi |
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chris_n |
rangi: I don't think so |
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chris_n |
we get suggestions from our patrons, but I don't recall receiving them via email |
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bag |
rangi no… I only have the responses |
| 19:53 |
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rangi |
yeah |
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rangi |
ill reply to elaine |
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chris_n |
tnx rangi && jcamins |
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francharb |
anyone knows how the HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn syspref is related to the return policy that can be defined within the smart rules page? |
| 20:06 |
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rangi |
francharb: hmm not sure sorry |
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rangi |
francharb: my guess is the smartrules one is designed to replace the syspref, but im not sure |
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francharb |
rangi, that's what I think too (maxreserves syspref works that way. it's the default value if there are no smart rules for the holds...) |
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francharb |
rangi, I have the same question for the connection between the notice setting a patron can do with the enhancedmessagingpreferences on, and the item circulation alerts page, any chance you would know anything about it? ;) |
| 20:12 |
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rangi |
hmm ive never actually used the item circulation alerts stuff, just the messaging stuff |
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rangi |
this one eh? /cgi-bin/koha/admin/item_circulation_alerts.pl ? |
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francharb |
yep! |
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rangi |
i suspect there is no relation and if that code works, you would just get both happening in parallel |
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francharb |
:) |
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rangi |
but i don't have any libraries using the circulation alerts .. at least not afaik |
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rangi |
:) |
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francharb |
thank you! |
| 20:17 |
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rangi |
patrons do love the enhanced messaging though |
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chris_n |
ahh... its alive |
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* chris_n |
restores his dev repo |
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rangi |
the trick is making them know they can |
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francharb |
rangi, that's right! |
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rangi |
quite a few parents at hlt have set up check-in emails for their childrens accounts |
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francharb |
:) |
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rangi |
that way, when they tell the kid, 'return that book on your way to school' |
| 20:18 |
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rangi |
they get an email if the kid did :) |
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jcamins |
rangi: smart! |
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jcamins |
It's snowing outside. |
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jcamins |
A lot. |
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rangi |
ohhh |
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chris_n |
very smart |
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rangi |
i hope ppl have power back and stuff |
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rangi |
no power and heating and snow would be crap |
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jcamins |
rangi: I think steam is still out in parts of Manhattan. |
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jcamins |
And 79k people in NY are without power. |
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francharb |
my father used to say "trust does not exclude control" |
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francharb |
he wasn't the only one apparently |
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francharb |
;) |
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* jcamins |
would be one of the parents doing that, now that it's been suggested. |
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rangi |
yikes jcamins |
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rangi |
hehe |
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francharb |
jcamins, really? I always thougt a little bit confusing the trust/control thing... |
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chris_n |
at least until we have a module which bills the kid's fines to the kid's mutual fund or some such :-) |
| 20:25 |
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jcamins |
francharb: it'd be one less thing to worry about. If I didn't get an e-mail, I'd know I had to plan an extra trip to the library. |
| 20:26 |
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rangi |
jcamins: exactly |
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francharb |
:) |
| 20:28 |
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jcamins |
Good news, though- my parents got power back this morning before the snow started. |
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francharb |
\0/ |
| 20:29 |
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rangi |
yay!! |
| 20:29 |
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rangi |
hmm did thd have power back ? he did didnt he? |
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jcamins |
Doubly good because they have well water. |
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jcamins |
Yeah, though I think he said there were still some buildings without steam in his neighborhood. |
| 20:31 |
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jcamins |
Oh yes. Mine is a Russian cat. He's been staring out the window at the snow purring ecstaticly. |
| 20:32 |
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francharb |
It's hard to figure out how manhattan is without power... |
| 20:32 |
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* chris |
's cat demands that you sit there and let it rub you |
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jcamins |
francharb: several of the electrical substations exploded, I think. |
| 20:32 |
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jcamins |
Thankfully not the one next to my server. |
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francharb |
:) |
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* rangi |
remembers to rsvp for the pizza thursday talk in time |
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mtj |
morning #koha, and congrats team-usa |
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francharb |
morning mtj |
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francharb |
:) |
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mtj |
heya fcharb |
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mtj |
rangi++, thanx for sorting bugzilla's bug_counts.pl script |
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rangi |
no worries |
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rangi |
i should commit all those scripts to my repo sometime |
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jcamins |
What do they do? |
| 20:50 |
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jcamins |
(I gather there are a bunch) |
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rangi |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]-bin/dashboard.pl |
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mtj |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]bin/bug_counts.pl |
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chris |
there's nothing like a power outage in the midst of a package install to screw things up |
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rangi |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]bin/bug_status.pl |
| 20:52 |
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rangi |
the dashboard is some json, of the last 10 signoffs |
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mtj |
^^ i've been using chris' script to graph bug stats for each branch -> http://munin.kohaaloha.com/koh[…]koha_bz_head.html |
| 20:53 |
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jcamins |
Ah, that's what feeds dashboard.k-c.org. |
| 20:53 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 20:53 |
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rangi |
well not anymore, but it could :) |
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jcamins |
It's not? |
| 20:53 |
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rangi |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]i-bin/progress.pl |
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jcamins |
Where are the signoffs coming from then? |
| 20:54 |
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rangi |
naw the dashboard does that query itself |
| 20:54 |
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oleonard |
chris you lost your n ? |
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chris |
arghh! |
| 20:54 |
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oleonard |
Much better. |
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chris_n |
whew! |
| 20:55 |
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rangi |
the progress one is just a nice what changed each day |
| 20:55 |
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rangi |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]n/patch_status.pl |
| 20:55 |
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rangi |
this one feeds this |
| 20:56 |
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rangi |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/its_a_bugs_life.html |
| 20:56 |
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rangi |
put in any bug number and click draw graph |
| 20:56 |
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mtj |
heh, thats awesome |
| 20:57 |
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rangi |
5579 is a good one to look at |
| 20:57 |
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rangi |
cos it changed stat lots |
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* oleonard |
wants those horizontal grid lines to line up with the Y axis labels |
| 20:58 |
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rangi |
its using jplot |
| 20:58 |
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rangi |
if you tell me how, ill fix it :) |
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oleonard |
I just lost a fight with datatables.js, I don't think I'm up for it :( |
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rangi |
they were all just little things i did to learn stuff, none of them are particularly useful |
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Manderson |
So I've got Koha running on Redhat...is there a good way to stress test it? |
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jcamins |
Manderson: before you do anything, TAKE A COMPLETE BACKUP OF THAT SYSTEM!!!!! |
| 21:11 |
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jcamins |
And print out the shell history. |
| 21:11 |
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Manderson |
It's on a VM |
| 21:11 |
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jcamins |
Good. Take a snapshot. |
| 21:11 |
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rangi |
ahh take a snapshot and save it :) |
| 21:11 |
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rangi |
you wouldnt want to have to do it all again :) |
| 21:11 |
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drojf |
and upload it to the wiki :D |
| 21:11 |
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rangi |
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technol[…]pen-source-awards |
| 21:11 |
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jcamins |
You're the first person to report Koha working on Red Hat in... |
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jcamins |
I guess I've been hanging around #koha for three years now. |
| 21:12 |
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rangi |
i learnt about this last night http://www.sofastatistics.com/home.php |
| 21:12 |
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Manderson |
Jeez...really? This didn't seem like that difficult of a task :P |
| 21:13 |
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jcamins |
Manderson: good... wanna make an rpm of Koha now? :) |
| 21:13 |
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jcamins |
Or at least a how-to guide? |
| 21:13 |
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rangi |
ooh that would be excellent! |
| 21:13 |
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drojf |
what version of koha are you running? |
| 21:13 |
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jcamins |
Manderson: but, back to your original question, if you're able to search for books and check them in and out, everything else is just window dressing. |
| 21:13 |
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Manderson |
3.08.06 |
| 21:14 |
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jcamins |
Manderson++ |
| 21:14 |
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oleonard |
"window dressing?!" |
| 21:14 |
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cjh |
awesome, koha on red hat! |
| 21:14 |
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cjh |
Manderson++ |
| 21:14 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: well, isn't it? |
| 21:14 |
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Manderson |
Don't give me ++'s yet...I need to get it tested out... |
| 21:14 |
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jcamins |
Also, if those three functions work, we know how to troubleshoot basically everything else. |
| 21:15 |
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ras0ir |
i'm running koha on arch linux :P |
| 21:15 |
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oleonard |
Okay, I guess in the context of getting it running on a new distro |
| 21:15 |
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jcamins |
ras0ir: a couple of people have been successful with that. Red Hat is particularly unfriendly. |
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cjh |
ras0ir: did you use the package on the aur? |
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ras0ir |
cjh: yes |
| 21:16 |
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jcamins |
I think several people have gone insane trying to install Koha under Red Hat. |
| 21:16 |
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rangi |
cjh: did you package that? |
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Manderson |
All I did to get it running on Redhat was to compile Yaz and Zebra from source, link all their binaries and libraries into /usr/bin and /usr/lib respectively. |
| 21:16 |
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rangi |
i think more have trouble with centos/fedora than redhat itself |
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jcamins |
Manderson: and it just worked? Just like that. |
| 21:16 |
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jcamins |
*? |
| 21:16 |
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jcamins |
What version of Red Hat? |
| 21:17 |
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Manderson |
Pretty much |
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ras0ir |
jcamins: i think it's because of lack of perl packages and zebra stuff |
| 21:17 |
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Manderson |
RH Enterprise Linux Server 6 |
| 21:17 |
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Manderson |
Perl packages were a bitch |
| 21:17 |
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cjh |
rangi: no I didnt package it, it was yhager. |
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Manderson |
Had to CPAN most of them and resolve dependencies manually |
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rangi |
ahh right |
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* oleonard |
waves goodbye for the evening |
| 21:17 |
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rangi |
Manderson: yep, thats where most ppl give up |
| 21:18 |
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rangi |
they are all .deb packaged, theres no reason there couldnt be .rpm of them all too |
| 21:18 |
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rangi |
it just needs someone to want to enough to do it :) |
| 21:18 |
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cjh |
is there a list of all the koha deps? |
| 21:18 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 21:18 |
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Manderson |
rangi: to get many of them working, I had to download the header files, which requires enabling the "optional" yum repo to get them |
| 21:18 |
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jcamins |
Hm... I think this snow could be called "driving." |
| 21:18 |
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rangi |
cjh: you can go |
| 21:19 |
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rangi |
./koha_perl_deps.pl -a |
| 21:19 |
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rangi |
in a git checkout |
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cjh |
awesome |
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Manderson |
rangi: thank god for that perl script |
| 21:19 |
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rangi |
its very handy eh |
| 21:19 |
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Manderson |
yessir |
| 21:20 |
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rangi |
back in the day |
| 21:20 |
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rangi |
someone did rpm for a bunch of them |
| 21:20 |
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cjh |
that is an awesome script |
| 21:20 |
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rangi |
http://lists.koha-community.or[…]-June/026137.html |
| 21:20 |
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rangi |
sometime my memory scares me |
| 21:20 |
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rangi |
i can remember stuff like that |
| 21:20 |
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rangi |
but not where i put my glasses 10 mins ago |
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cjh |
heh |
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ras0ir |
lol |
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jcamins |
lol |
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mtj |
Manderson, congrats on your tenacity :) |
| 21:21 |
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Manderson |
Oh...also...SELinux got in the way some. |
| 21:21 |
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Manderson |
Thanks mtj |
| 21:22 |
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jcamins |
Manderson: oh, darn. I should've told you there's a patch for the SELinux problems. |
| 21:22 |
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jcamins |
I'd forgotten that was on Red Hat. |
| 21:22 |
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jcamins |
It needs someone to test it. |
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Manderson |
No worries...at this point, I am not concerned about it being enforced, so I just disabled it for the time being. |
| 21:23 |
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jcamins |
Unfortunately, I don't have a system with SELinux so I can't test it. |
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Manderson |
Is there a scrip that launches zebra in daemon mode? |
| 21:36 |
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jcamins |
Manderson: it doesn't work under Red Hat. |
| 21:36 |
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jcamins |
It requires the "daemon" program, which apparently isn't used in Red Hat and its derivatives. |
| 21:37 |
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Manderson |
Ahh |
| 21:37 |
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Manderson |
Gotcha |
| 21:39 |
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ras0ir |
could someone paste init scripts for koha, i'd like to create systemd units |
| 21:40 |
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jcamins |
ras0ir: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0780a8556;hb=HEAD |
| 21:40 |
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ras0ir |
thanks |
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jcamins |
Manderson: actually, looks like someone tested the script and it got in. |
| 21:41 |
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jcamins |
set-selinux-labels.sh |
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jcamins |
ras0ir: koha-zebra-ctl is the key one. |
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ras0ir |
what's sip used for? rfid? |
| 21:42 |
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Manderson |
jcamins: thanks, I'll take a look |
| 21:42 |
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jcamins |
Selfcheck machines, ebook systems, etc. |
| 21:44 |
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Manderson |
jcamins: Zebra itself has a daemon option... -D |
| 21:44 |
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Manderson |
starts up and throws itself into the background |
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jcamins |
Manderson: I think the reason we don't use it is that it is hard to stop the daemon. |
| 21:44 |
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jcamins |
I'm not sure, though. |
| 21:45 |
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Manderson |
Gotcha |
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Manderson |
Thanks |
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eythian |
yeah the 'daemon' tool wraps even self-backgrounding things in handy ways to make them easier to manage |
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francharb |
time to sleep |
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francharb |
see ya |
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jcamins |
Interesting: http://cartographer.visualmotive.com/ |
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* rangi |
waves from the bus |
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rangi |
Bag: have you tried Sierra nevada tumbler? |
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bag |
no I have not |
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bag |
oh what I have!!! |
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bag |
it's good |
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bag |
I was thinking - tumblr like a webpage |
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bag |
heh |
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rangi |
I tried it last night it is good |
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bag |
not the true nectar! |
| 22:23 |
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rangi |
I also tried Bling ipa |
| 22:23 |
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rangi |
Which was ok |
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bag |
I had arrogant bastard ale lastnight - cause all them in the elections are like that ALE |
| 22:25 |
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rangi |
Hehe |
| 22:28 |
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eythian |
rangi: did you get the white house beer last night? |
| 22:28 |
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rangi |
I didn't |
| 22:28 |
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rangi |
We ended up at the Malthouse |
| 22:28 |
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eythian |
ah right |
| 22:29 |
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bag |
I have a friend that was working on the obama campaign and got some of the obama collection white house ale last night |
| 22:29 |
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rangi |
Cos hashigo zake was too full |
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eythian |
bag: they brewed a batch of it here for yesterday |
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bag |
nice |
| 22:30 |
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eythian |
rangi: ah right, I didn't go in, but I did see that it didn't appear to last long |
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rangi |
I think it would be one of their more profitable wednesdays |
| 22:36 |
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rangi |
Righto my stop bbiab |
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jcamins |
Can you use patron 0 as an anonymous patron? |
| 22:45 |
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cjh |
heh "kick koha's tires and see if you can break something!" |
| 22:45 |
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cjh |
oleonard++ |
| 22:47 |
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rangi |
jcamins: no |
| 22:47 |
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rangi |
thats the kohaadmin user |
| 22:47 |
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jcamins |
That's what I thought. |
| 22:47 |
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rangi |
it will go badly |
| 22:47 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, logic told me that if you do that any data you try to connect to the anonymous user will go spectacularly missing. |
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rangi |
*nod* |
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rangi |
did you want to answer? |
| 22:52 |
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jcamins |
I did. |
| 22:52 |
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rangi |
sweet |
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jcamins |
Wow. |
| 23:07 |
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jcamins |
So it sounds like this snowstorm really is pretty serious. |
| 23:07 |
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rangi |
thats not good |
| 23:07 |
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jcamins |
There is a car stuck outside, it sounds like. |
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jcamins |
Considering it started snowing about 3 hours ago, that promises downed wires if it really snows for the next 13 hours. |
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gaetan_B |
bye |
| 23:48 |
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mtj |
ive got a koha package upgrade Q... |
| 23:48 |
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jcamins |
Yes? |
| 23:49 |
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mtj |
after a 'apt-get upgrade koha-common' is run successfully - does the upgradedatabase.pl script get run too, automatically? |
| 23:49 |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
| 23:50 |
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mtj |
or, does the upgradedatabase.pl get triggered , when the superuser logs into the staff client next? |
| 23:50 |
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jcamins |
No. |
| 23:50 |
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jcamins |
It's run automatically. |
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mtj |
gotcha :) |
| 23:50 |
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jcamins |
Note that this means that if you created an instance and never ran the web installer you'll get a screen full of warnings. |
| 23:50 |
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mtj |
cool, thats is indeed whats just happened here (just wanted to confim) :) |
| 23:51 |
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mtj |
yeah, i can see that - you cant upgrade a system that was never installed to start with |
| 23:51 |
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mtj |
s/system/db/ |
| 23:53 |
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mtj |
s/installed/created/ :) |
