IRC log for #koha, 2012-11-07

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00:03 lds rangi: i go to bed. Good day ;-) and thank you again for your help
00:04 rangi no problem
00:04 rangi sleep well
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00:34 BobB Hi all,
00:34 BobB what do we use to import authorities these days?  Is deprecated?
00:35 BobB I think we use with an option?
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00:41 jcamins Yeah.
00:41 jcamins -a
00:44 mtj ive a .deb package Q… where can i grab a koha-3.6.4.deb file from ?
00:44 mtj  somewhere?
00:45 eythian mtj: 3.6.4?
00:45 wahanui 3.6.4 is the current stable version
00:45 jcamins We don't keep packages that old.
00:45 jcamins wahanui: forget 3.6.4
00:45 wahanui jcamins: I forgot 3.6.4
00:45 eythian no wahanui, 3.6.4 is not the current stable version
00:45 eythian mtj: you can get 3.6.10
00:46 eythian but yeah, old ones aren't kept
00:46 mtj hmm, i didnt know that
00:47 mtj we're currently testing a 3.6.4 -> 3.8.6 upgrade, so i need that deb to prep up a test box
00:47 mtj i might look for it in the package cache dir, of a local box
00:47 eythian is it currently running from that deb? If so, perhaps its...
00:47 eythian yeah, that
00:47 wahanui yeah, that is, like, cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha
00:52 mtj ooh sweet, i think i just found one -> /var/cache/apt/archives/ko​ha-common_3.6.4-1_all.deb
00:54 BobB jcamins Thank you.
00:59 jcamins BobB: if you're planning a migration that will be onto 3.10, you can also use stage marc import.
01:00 BobB Ah, ok.  We'll be doing it in 3.8 initially, but good to know that is coming.
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01:10 mtj #  dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/ko​ha-common_3.6.4-1_all.deb
01:10 mtj oops...
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01:26 mtj heya david
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01:31 rangi you guys are early
01:31 rangi go vote some more or something
01:32 * oleonard voted early, so I didn't even get to feel like I got anything done today
01:33 oleonard But I have to say, it's awesome to get to sit down at the computer with my ballot and look up the things I don't know about (usually state supreme court races)
01:33 davidnind Just making sure I can get IRC to work at work
01:34 rangi hm yeah, thats right you get to vote on a ton of things
01:34 jcamins oleonard: we had the choice between Candidate A, Candidate A, and Candidate A for the Democratic, Republican, and Other parties for the local elections.
01:35 davidnind Hi Mason
01:35 oleonard President, state senator, 2 congressional elections, count commissioner, judges, 3 ballot issues, sheriff, and coroner.
01:36 oleonard Why do we even elect a coroner?
01:37 jcamins oleonard: to make sure the person inspecting your dead body is the right political party?
01:39 oleonard If that race got heated it would make for some fun campaign ads. Sadly this race wasn't even contested.
01:40 rangi apparently ppl are still in line in virginia
01:40 rangi CBS just reported -- they've stopped reporting results in Virgina bc so many people still in line to vote
01:41 rangi didnt the polls close there like 1 hour and 40 mins ago?
01:41 jcamins rangi: yes, and the northern Virginia mega-state apparently seceded from Virginia, since northern Virginia is going Democrat, and Virginia is going Republican.
01:41 jcamins Yes.
01:41 rangi if you are in a line, before they close .. are you allowed to still vote?
01:42 jcamins Apparently.
01:42 rangi who knew
01:42 BobB there might be a court case about that
01:42 BobB ... with the current judges or the newly elected ones?
01:43 BobB I don't get that, electing judges.
01:43 oleonard Seems wrong, but then again how is appointing them any better?
01:43 jcamins BobB: elected judges wouldn't get to decide that.
01:44 rangi maybe north virginia can join maryland and the rest join west virginia
01:44 jcamins Only lower and superior court judges are elected. Supreme court judges are appointed.
01:44 rangi there, i just cut out one of your states, reducing bureaucracy and wasteful spending
01:44 rangi you're welcome
01:44 rangi :)
01:44 rambutan rangi: yes, if you are in line when the polls close you get to vote
01:44 jcamins lol
01:44 rangi rambutan: ahh thanks
01:45 oleonard rangi: That'd be the best way to get Puerto Rico statehood, since we wouldn't have to change the flag!
01:46 oleonard I would also entertain returning Texas to Mexico.
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01:46 rangi heh
01:46 cjh hahaha
01:46 rangi would they take it back?
01:46 oleonard Maybe not if they got Governor Rick Perry with it.
01:46 rangi mexico is my current favourite country
01:46 rangi just because of
01:47 rangi[…]le-iphone-mexico/
01:47 cjh oh wow
01:48 rangi apple picks a fight and loses, doenst happen often so im happy when it does :)
01:48 rangi lol my tweetstream is awesome
01:48 rangi Romney has commanding leads in both Alabaska and Nebrada, but Obama ahead in New Hampicut
01:48 rhcl by my count apple is only winning about 50% of their various world-wide patent battles
01:49 rangi one of my friends is making up bogus election results
01:49 rangi Obama wins East Anglia, race in Ohiyoming too close to call.
01:50 rangi so, it pretty much all boils down to ohio right?
01:50 rhcl um, really gotta wait for Florida too
01:51 mtj "unifex: If Obama wins *and* Republicans move to #NZ I'm moving to America."
01:51 jcamins rangi: well, that's what we thought until the northern Virginia mega-state seceded.
01:51 rangi heh
01:51 jcamins Now it's anyone's call.
01:51 rangi ohh
01:51 * rangi checks athens county
01:51 oleonard When did Republicans start threatening to move to NZ?
01:51 rangi good work oleonard
01:51 rangi on twitter today
01:52 jcamins After all, if bipartisan committees can contain members from only one party, 1 == 2
01:52 rangi if obama wins im moving to nz
01:52 rangi with our atheist prime minister and universal healthcare
01:52 rangi good luck with that
01:53 rangi[…]#/President/2012/ <-- is what im looking at
01:53 rangi if ppl have better sites, id love to know
01:54 oleonard I would rather go to the dentist than watch election coverage.
01:54 rhcl AP (should be fairly unbiased) is at:[…]=ln&ar=1352253079
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01:55 rangi lol oleonard
01:55 rangi i guess its more fun for me, cos i dont live there
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01:56 jcamins I would told that Google's map is better than Politico's.
01:56 jcamins If you believe it.
01:56 * libsysguy is watching CNN
01:56 libsysguy did I miss the meeting or am i in time
01:56 rangi you are in time
01:56 rangi 4 mins early in fact
01:56 libsysguy sweet
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01:56 libsysguy BOOM!
01:57 libsysguy agenda?
01:57 wahanui hmmm... agenda is a wiki
01:57 oleonard We're talking about how awesome and efficient American elections are libsysguy
01:57 rangi heh
01:57 libsysguy oh well I guess I better get the heck out of here
01:57 libsysguy I'm an optimization nut
01:57 libsysguy thats why the calendar re-write isn't done
01:57 libsysguy :p
01:58 rangi its always on a saturday here
01:58 rangi thats one little efficiency thats easy to make
01:58 libsysguy that makes more sense….but its also nice to get off owrk :p
01:58 rangi :)
01:58 oleonard rangi: Doesn't that have the unwanted effect of making it easier to vote?
01:58 rangi oh yeah whoops
01:58 libsysguy can't have that
01:58 cjh agenda is[…],_7_November_2012
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01:59 rangi any volunteers for chair?
01:59 William #info William
01:59 rangi havent started yet William :)
01:59 libsysguy you're too early William
01:59 libsysguy :p
02:00 William Allrighty then ...back to the election
02:00 William :)
02:00 rangi if no one volunteers you are gonna be stuck with me
02:00 jcamins Sounds good to me.
02:00 jcamins You have one hour.
02:00 libsysguy same
02:00 jcamins Go.
02:00 rangi #startmeeting
02:00 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
02:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Nov  7 02:00:25 2012 UTC.  The chair is rangi. Information about MeetBot at
02:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
02:01 rangi #topic Introductions
02:01 Topic for #koha is now Introductions
02:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
02:01 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
02:01 libsysguy #info Elliott Davis, ByWater Solutions
02:01 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, Rmaint 3.8.x and 3.10.x
02:01 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx information essentials
02:01 cjh #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT
02:01 nancyk #info NancyK Reno
02:01 rhcl #info rhcl = Greg - Rolling Hills Consolidated Library
02:01 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
02:01 jcamins #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, Release Manager for 3.12 and RMaint emeritus for 3.6.x
02:01 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT
02:01 libsysguy aww I forgot to add that I am QAA 3.12
02:01 libsysguy shoot
02:01 clintD #info Clint Deckard, Anact
02:02 JDatTeTakere 2#info Joanne Dillon (JD), Te Takere
02:02 rangi in blue even
02:02 rangi anyone else?
02:02 JDatTeTakere 2Felt like being colourful :-)
02:02 mtj #info Mason James, NZ
02:03 rangi #topic Announcements
02:03 Topic for #koha is now Announcements
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02:03 kathryn #info Kathryn Tyree, Catalyst IT NZ
02:03 davidnind #infor David Nind, NZ
02:03 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea
02:03 rangi anyone have any announcements ?
02:04 rangi wizzyrea starts work at catalyst on monday
02:04 rangi thats the only one i have
02:04 wizzyrea \o/
02:04 libsysguy I've starting working on automated testing
02:04 libsysguy with WWW::Mech
02:04 wizzyrea libsysguy++
02:04 rangi cool
02:04 libsysguy ill publish the repo soon
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02:05 rangi #action libsysguy to publish repo of his mechanized testing suite
02:05 rangi anything else before we move on?
02:05 jcamins #info We now have a repository for a version of git-bz customized for Koha at[…]-bz.git;a=summary
02:05 mtj #info i've just eaten waaay too many samosas :/
02:05 jcamins That's it from me.
02:05 wizzyrea oooo
02:05 wizzyrea to both
02:05 rangi git-bz++
02:06 libsysguy git-bz++
02:06 wizzyrea ^^ what he said
02:06 rangi #topic update on 3.8
02:06 Topic for #koha is now update on 3.8
02:06 rangi 3.8 is coming along nicely, on schedule for 3.8.7 release on time
02:06 cjh awesome
02:06 libsysguy is it going to include the hourly fixes?
02:06 libsysguy for use with the calendar
02:07 rangi if they are pushed to master then yes
02:07 libsysguy hehe
02:07 libsysguy fair enough
02:07 rangi ie signed off, passed qa, and pushed, then ill cherry pick them to 3.8.x
02:07 rangi #topic update on 3.10
02:07 Topic for #koha is now update on 3.10
02:08 rangi we have no paul, but i think reading the newsletter is a good idea
02:08 jcamins paul_p isn't here, so I'll give what information I have.
02:08 rangi #link[…]er-11-12-2012-10/
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02:08 jcamins Now that 3.10.x has been branched and I am pushing to master we have an additional set of eyes looking over code before it gets into 3.10.x.
02:09 rangi excellent
02:09 jcamins Paul is cherry-picking bugfixes that do not include string changes.
02:09 jcamins Any code that either of us is uncomfortable with will probably not go into master until after 3.10.x is released.
02:09 jcamins *3.10.0
02:10 jcamins ("probably" because there is always the possibility -- however slight -- of an error)
02:10 kathryn oops I forgot about tweetbot sorry for the interruption, my jokes always backfire...
02:10 rangi sounds good to me
02:10 jcamins As far as I know, 3.10.0 is on-schedule
02:10 jcamins I will address 3.12 when we get there.
02:10 rangi anyone have anything else for 3.10?
02:11 jcamins Oh, one more thing.
02:11 jcamins TEST BUGFIXES!!!!
02:11 rangi oh yes
02:11 rangi #action everyone test bug fixes
02:11 rangi #topic 3.12
02:11 Topic for #koha is now 3.12
02:11 jcamins #action Test and sign off on the bugfixes that are already in Bugzilla, and test 3.10.x/master and fix any bugs you find.
02:12 jcamins Oh, rangi beat me.
02:12 rangi heh
02:12 rangi you again jcamins
02:12 Irma sorry I am late # Irma CALYX information essentials - Sydney
02:12 Irma hi all
02:12 jcamins The master branch will be 3.11 once 3.10.0 is released.
02:13 jcamins Right now I am only pushing 3.10-safe fixes to that branch.
02:13 rangi cool
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02:13 jcamins However, as non-3.10 patches pass QA I am applying them to an integration branch on my local machine.
02:13 jcamins This brings up an important point.
02:14 jcamins One of the bugs that was marked "Passed QA" was marked that BY ITS AUTHOR, without ANY member of the QA team approving it.
02:14 jcamins Attached to that bug were no fewer than *three* patches that had not been tested by anyone.
02:14 rangi down with that kind of thing
02:14 wizzyrea ew yea not acceptable.
02:14 jcamins That is not, and never has been acceptable.
02:15 jcamins The change in release manager does not mean a relaxation of QA standards.
02:15 jcamins I will, in fact, be requesting additional signoffs from members of the QA team whenever they QA patches.
02:15 rangi shall i do an info point only qa team can mark things passed-qa ?
02:15 jcamins Yes, good idea.
02:16 wizzyrea I think bugzilla can manage that sort of thing or no?
02:16 wizzyrea with permissions
02:16 wizzyrea bugzilla can do some crazy awesome things.
02:16 jcamins wizzyrea: I'm not sure. But if it can, that might be good.
02:16 libsysguy yeah can we fix that kind of thing with perms
02:16 rangi #info only qa team should mark patches passed qa, unless there are some crazy circumstances like security and everyone is on holiday in tahiti or something
02:16 wizzyrea wewt
02:16 jcamins #action Find out if we can set Bugzilla permissions so that only the QA team can mark things "Passed QA"
02:16 wizzyrea tahiti_holiday++
02:16 jcamins Let's see, what else?
02:17 cjh although if a patch is 'passed qa' and then goes 'in discussion' it would require a qa team member to put it back to 'passed qa', is this desired?
02:17 jcamins cjh: I'm leaning towards "yes."
02:17 wizzyrea yea, I tend to agree with hat
02:17 wizzyrea that*
02:17 libsysguy same
02:17 rangi i think we have a big team now
02:17 rangi that should be ok
02:17 jcamins The bug report that I'm referring to was set to "Passed QA" by the author several times.
02:17 cjh eek
02:17 wizzyrea !!
02:17 wizzyrea oy
02:17 cjh jcamins++ # for bringing it up
02:18 jcamins Other than that, I expect a nice tight six-month release cycle, and I'll be preparing monthly "previews."
02:18 eythian a general reinforcement of the rules would be good
02:18 wizzyrea I like your style.
02:18 eythian I've seen a patch by company X that was signed off by someone associated with X, and then the QA signoff was also from X.
02:18 eythian And it broke things for other people.
02:19 rangi yeah, now the team is big too, its easy to stop that
02:19 jcamins Yes. That's a good point.
02:19 rangi i think cait will be great at managing those things
02:19 jcamins During the 3.12 cycle I'll be leaning on cait a lot to deal with delegation.
02:20 libsysguy cait will rule with an iron fist
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02:21 BobB :)
02:21 jcamins #info During the 3.12 release cycle, the RM will assign the QAM as QA contact to bugs where he is concerned about a conflict of interest, and the QAM can delegate as appropriate.
02:21 jcamins I think that's pretty much it from me.
02:21 rangi thanks jcamins
02:21 jcamins Oh, one more thing.
02:21 * rangi pauses
02:22 jcamins #info The RM will prepare a "roadmap" for 3.12 after 3.10.0 is released, but since the focus is on "stability," don't expect a detailed plan for exactly what we're going to be working on at any given point.
02:22 jcamins That's it.
02:22 rangi jcamins++
02:22 Irma Is there a date for the next Global Bug Squashing Day?
02:22 oleonard jcamins++
02:22 rangi #topic kohacon13
02:22 Topic for #koha is now kohacon13
02:22 wizzyrea jcamins++ i like roadmaps
02:23 cjh heh
02:23 rangi Irma: can you ask that again when we get to miscallaneous please
02:23 Irma ok
02:23 rangi but spelt right ;)
02:23 rangi nancyk: did you have any information about kohacon13 ?
02:23 nancyk almost finished touring hotels, have it narrowed down to 3
02:23 rangi oh cool
02:23 nancyk looks like mid odtober
02:24 nancyk rats bad spelling
02:24 rangi cool
02:24 rangi #info kohacon13 dates are looking like mid october
02:24 Irma nancyk ++
02:24 nancyk We will get info on the web site and wiki as soon as we know which hotel
02:25 nancyk Excited!!!!
02:25 libsysguy nancyk I require a beautyrest in my hotel :p
02:25 jcamins Could you put a link to the KohaCon13 website and wiki pages in the minutes?
02:25 rangi nancyk++
02:25 wizzyrea lol.
02:25 oleonard What's the weather like in October?
02:25 wizzyrea well you are our "hottest developer" so there's that.
02:25 libsysguy nancyk++
02:25 rangi #link[…]KohaCon13_Summary
02:25 libsysguy I do have to keep up my beauty :p
02:25 rangi and
02:25 nancyk 70s and sometimes 80s sunny
02:25 * wizzyrea giggles
02:26 rangi #link
02:26 wizzyrea sounds pretty perfect ;)
02:26 oleonard Swank.
02:26 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme , New York City, survived the blackout and heatout
02:26 rangi good to see you safe and sound thd
02:26 wizzyrea yes! thd made it through sandy!
02:26 rhcl thd: nor'easter coming, right
02:26 rhcl ?
02:26 rangi does anyone else have anything else about kohacon13 ?
02:26 nancyk no
02:27 davidnind 70 F = 21 degrees C
02:27 rangi #topic actions from the last meeting
02:27 Topic for #koha is now actions from the last meeting
02:27 rangi i don tthink we had any actions?
02:28 jcamins I don't see any.
02:28 rangi moving on
02:28 rangi #topic Miscellaneous
02:28 Topic for #koha is now Miscellaneous
02:28 BobB spelt right, too
02:28 rangi Irma: you had a question? :)
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02:29 BobB it was about Global Bug Squashing Day, is there a date?
02:29 Irma[…]bug_squashing_day Next date?
02:29 Irma snap
02:29 rangi ah, magnus usually organises that
02:29 rangi id suggest an email to the koha-devel list
02:30 wizzyrea he's sleeping :)
02:30 rangi of course, we could just pick a date ;)
02:30 rangi itd be good to do one before 3.10.0
02:30 jcamins It's usually the second Friday.
02:30 rangi *nod*
02:30 rangi which is tomorrow
02:30 Irma Stefan is in Sydney until 3/12 so before then would be good
02:30 rangi in nz
02:31 jcamins Which would be... 9 November
02:31 oleonard I'd love to see people try to lead testing on patches they have written which have languished in the needs-signoff queue for a long time.
02:31 mtj or 16th nov, the friday after that?
02:31 rangi i think the 9th is good
02:31 rangi 15th is string freeze for 3.8.x
02:32 rangi adn we dont want a pile of patches the week before 3.10.0
02:32 mtj yeah, so 16th not so good
02:32 jcamins I'm fine with the 16th, but keep in mind that I _am_ a stickler, and we have two people pushing code to get it into 3.10.x, so some patches would probably get deferred for 3.10.1
02:32 rangi yeah
02:32 jcamins And by "probably" I mean "I am absolutely certain."
02:32 rangi #idea bug squashing day on the 9th of november
02:33 rangi if people want it to happen then, they just need to make a wiki page
02:33 rangi and send out emails
02:33 rangi any one want to volunteer to do that ?
02:34 wizzyrea hrm think it'll actually get any traction? does it have to be a friday?
02:34 rangi nope
02:34 rangi make it monday and ill make it your job to test patches *grin*
02:34 wizzyrea ^.^
02:35 Irma Friday 9th Nov or Mon 12th Nov ok for CALYX
02:35 rangi well i think the secret with it, like pretty much everything in koha, is someone needs to organise/do it
02:35 rangi and magnuse is conferencing
02:35 rangi and so is cait
02:35 rangi and they usually do it
02:35 rangi so someone else will need to step up
02:36 oleonard I can to the wiki and the emails if we can settle on a date
02:36 mtj im trying to work out how to use a 'Template:Globsquad' template to make a new GSBD page
02:36 mtj +1 9th nov
02:37 Irma + 9th nov
02:37 Irma +1 9th nov
02:37 oleonard Will magnus and cait still be conferencing Friday? Monday?
02:37 rangi cait will be make on friday
02:38 thd +1 12 Nov.
02:38 stefan-l +1 9th nov
02:38 jcamins What about GBSW? - Global Bug Squashing Weekend
02:38 jcamins We're approaching 3.10.
02:38 rangi true
02:38 jcamins Now is a good time to really focus on testing.
02:38 rangi yup
02:39 * oleonard can bug-squash at work but too many obligations at home
02:39 jcamins oleonard: right, that's why it's Friday-Monday.
02:39 jcamins *College* weekend.
02:39 oleonard I see
02:39 jcamins Not real person weekend. :P
02:39 cjh I feel 2 days is a bit short notice, hopefully we can get enough people
02:39 jcamins Right, so we also have 5 days notice for Monday.
02:40 jcamins We'll call it a sprint, or a storm, or whatever's cool in project management.
02:40 cjh heh
02:40 thd storm :)
02:40 jcamins #action jcamins will mark candidates for 3.10 that are in "Needs signoff" assuming he has power this week.
02:40 mtj i love the  bugs squash weekend idea
02:40 rangi scrum storm sprint
02:41 cjh a bug squash weekend sounds cool.
02:41 rangi dont kick the ball
02:41 rangi pass it
02:41 oleonard Anyone object to GBSW?
02:41 rangi not me
02:41 BobB What about starting on Friday and letting it run until Monday?  Is that the suggestion?
02:41 jcamins This will make it easier for people to prioritize for the bug squashers.
02:41 rangi thats the one BobB
02:41 jcamins BobB: exactly. :)
02:41 BobB cool
02:41 mtj koha bitzkrieg
02:42 wizzyrea O.o
02:42 jcamins So, let's vote?
02:42 mtj 'Shock and Awe!'
02:42 jcamins +1
02:42 rangi +1
02:42 oleonard +1
02:42 Irma +1
02:43 davidnind +1
02:43 mtj +1
02:43 cjh +1
02:43 thd +1 all weekend although I am otherwise committed
02:43 libsysguy +1
02:44 stefan-l +1 on friday
02:44 BobB +1
02:44 rangi #agreed Global bug squashing weekend starting november 9th
02:45 rangi ok, anything else before we move on to the date for the next meeting?
02:45 jcamins Not from me.
02:46 rangi ok
02:46 Irma RDA and getting Koha ready for it ...
02:46 rangi heh, thats more of a wiki page i think
02:46 BobB ..that's a big one!
02:46 rangi first they need to decide which rda :)
02:47 rangi but yeah, can we move that one to the list?
02:47 rangi and/or wiki?
02:47 rangi
02:47 thd The MARC framewarks are years out of date.  Funding disappeared for that work.
02:47 jcamins Yeah, I'd say the wiki is the place for that discussion.
02:48 Irma Should we enter it as an agenda item for the next meetings though?
02:48 oleonard I'm not sure that would be productive before a list/wiki discussion has started
02:48 BobB Prolly need to get more momentum first, via the wiki.
02:49 rangi yeah
02:49 wizzyrea ^^
02:49 Irma So that we can briefly discuss progress and necessary actions?
02:49 rangi then organise a meeting of ppl interested in it
02:49 oleonard speaking of which, we need to get the license upgrade conversation started again too
02:49 rangi not really a general topic i dont think
02:49 jcamins Yeah, wiki and/or list, then when there's an action, discuss it in a general meeting.
02:49 thd We should be trying to push it so that people can at least have full RDA records from copy cataloguing when those start becoming widely available.
02:49 wizzyrea I feel like I need to know what exactly needs to be done? "RDA support" is pretty nebulous for me
02:50 eythian the wiki page makes a few starting points
02:50 rangi yep, those are all opinions
02:50 rangi and ripe for putting on a wiki page :)
02:50 * rangi moves on
02:50 thd I am well informed about RDA and paid for some expensive classes.
02:50 rangi #topic date for next meeting
02:50 Topic for #koha is now date for next meeting
02:50 rangi (i warned you about letting me chair, i have an awards thingy to go to later)
02:51 rangi the next time is 18:00 UTC
02:51 wizzyrea +1
02:51 thd I like the pace :)
02:51 rangi so who has a date in mind?
02:51 thd early in the month please
02:51 BobB 5 Dec?
02:52 Irma 5/12?
02:52 wahanui 0.416666666666667
02:52 mtj 5 dec
02:52 davidnind 5 December - first Wednesday of the MOnth?
02:52 BobB that's the first Wednesday in Dec
02:52 rangi sounds good
02:52 cjh sounds good.
02:52 rangi lets vote
02:52 jcamins +1
02:52 mtj +1
02:52 cjh +1
02:52 oleonard +1
02:52 JDatTeTakere +1
02:52 thd +1
02:52 rangi +1
02:52 Irma +1
02:52 davidnind +1
02:52 nancyk +1
02:52 jwagner +1
02:52 kathryn +1
02:52 mtj obama wins!
02:53 wizzyrea we can hope ;)
02:53 rangi heh
02:53 Irma Great voting! If only US elections were this simple ;-)
02:53 rangi #agreed Next meeting is Decmber 5 18:00 UTC
02:53 mtj ok, see y'all next 5 dec
02:53 rangi December too
02:53 rangi decememememeber
02:54 rangi #endmeeting
02:54 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software The next general meeting is 7 November 2012 2:00 UTC
02:54 huginn Meeting ended Wed Nov  7 02:53:43 2012 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)
02:54 huginn Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community[…]-11-07-02.00.html
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02:54 Irma rangi ++
02:54 BobB Thanks rangi
02:54 oleonard And not again until then mtj? ;)
02:54 mtj thanks for chairing chris
02:54 cjh rangi++
02:54 davidnind rangi++
02:54 thd jcamins: Did you try shopping for food last week?
02:55 mtj oleonard, well… some of you before then
02:55 rangi who is gary johnson?
02:55 clintD rangi: good luck tonight, enjoy
02:55 jcamins thd: thankfully the first day I had to was Saturday.
02:55 rangi ahh libertarian
02:55 jcamins It took four stores to find milk and cream.
02:55 jcamins And potatoes.
02:56 oleonard rangi: He gets the stoner vote with Ron Paul out of the running.
02:56 jcamins lol
02:56 wizzyrea i'm glad you got supplies before the storm hit
02:56 wizzyrea thd what has it been like for you?
02:57 thd jcamins: Apparently provisions were often better in the blackout zone if you could find some place open by torchlight.
02:58 thd wizzyrea: It was very, very cold in a building with no insulation, no cooking facilities, and no hot water.
02:59 jcamins We're far enough out that we had power, so the stores were mostly open, they just didn't have anything left.
03:00 thd wizzyrea: There is a modest corner market a couple of blocks from me which never closes for any cause whatever which was open by torchlight selling out their basement.
03:00 cjh hahahh awesome
03:01 thd wizzyrea: I was able to find some vegetables locally by torchlight which were sold out at supermarkets.
03:01 jcamins Okay, I have marked all "Needs signoff" bugs that will be held for 3.12 as such.
03:02 wizzyrea oy!
03:03 thd wizzyrea: I walked 90 blocks last Wednesday collecting food for a couple of people who were not mobile enough to procure their own.
03:03 bag thd++
03:03 wizzyrea thd++
03:04 rangi thd++
03:04 thd wizzyrea: Walking was many times faster than taking the bus in the giant traffic jam resulting from insufficient subway service.
03:04 wizzyrea yea, I hear transit is a nightmare
03:06 thd Services have been restored much faster than I had been expecting, although, going to Brooklyn or Staten Island is still a major problem.
03:08 wizzyrea *nod* that's what I've been hearing. I also heard that the jersey shore was obliterated
03:08 thd Do not ever discard your land line with the telephone services independent power source.
03:09 eythian been meaning to buy a cheap one of those for those situations
03:09 thd The New Jersey shore was where Sandy landed, however, despite the damage, Sandy was merely a cyclone by the time it landed in New Jersey.
03:10 jcamins Southern Long Island is a mess.
03:10 jcamins One of my clients lives out there.
03:10 jcamins In the last building in Long Beach.
03:10 thd People in the US northeast have no idea what an actual proper hurricane would be like.
03:10 jcamins The building is still standing, but he's moved into the city for the foreseeable future.
03:11 thd The minimum sustained wind speed for a hurricane is double what Sandy had when it landed.
03:11 jcamins thd: the damage wasn't from the wind... it was from the water.
03:12 thd jcamins: However, the convection forces which brought the water are related to wind.
03:12 thd Sandy produced very little rain in the US.
03:13 wizzyrea well and from what I read - it wasn't the fact that sandy was a hurricane, it was that it was a hurricane colliding with a nor'easter
03:13 thd Irene, last year, had much more rain.
03:13 jcamins I was told it was the hurricane + high tide.
03:14 thd jcamins, wizzyrea: Exactly, the combination of storm convection, and high tidal forces.
03:15 thd jcamins: The New York Times reported last year about the only hurricane recorded to every hit very near New York City.
03:15 rangi CNN calls the Shire with Baggins getting 54%, but is projecting an easy win in Mordor for Sauron. Isengard is still up for grabs.
03:16 oleonard That Sauron, all he cared about was the 1%.
03:16 jcamins oleonard: well, he had only one ring to rule them all.
03:16 wizzyrea lol.
03:16 wizzyrea loooool
03:16 jcamins You try ruling 99% with one ring!
03:16 thd I think it was 1938 that Long Island was washed over by tide and waves with a direct hurricane hit.
03:17 wizzyrea i read an article the other day, talking about the jersey shor
03:17 wizzyrea that the man made seawalls were eroding the beach that actually protects the land
03:17 jcamins The family of my best friend growing up has a house in Barnegat Light.
03:18 jcamins One of only three beaches on LBI that wasn't substantially washed away, apparently.
03:18 thd wizzyrea: Count on us foolish humans to much up any natural protection.
03:19 jcamins I guess a lot of residents have been trying to prevent the government from rebuilding the natural dunes, or something like that.
03:19 jcamins (on LBI, not in Barnegat Light)
03:19 thd However, if you build your house on the sand, then you should expect what you get. you
03:20 oleonard See you in 10 hours #koha
03:20 rangi cya oleonard
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03:20 thd jcamins: Do you know anyone who lives in Hoboken, New Jersey?
03:21 jcamins thd: yeah, my cousins.
03:21 jcamins They've been staying with other family.
03:21 thd jcamins: I met someone last night from Hoboken who said that the national guard had removed her.
03:22 jcamins As far as I know they still haven't been able to go back to Hoboken.
03:24 thd jcamins: This young woman was odly buying pictures to hang on her wall as if the world was about to end.
03:24 jcamins Why would you buy pictures to hang on your wall if the world was about to end?
03:25 jcamins Wouldn't you buy chocolate?
03:25 thd jcamins: If you thought that you had only one last look at the world some people would buy pictures other people would buy chocolate.
03:25 * jcamins would buy chocolate.
03:26 * thd would read a book if there was any light.
03:26 jcamins And sweetened condensed milk, sugar, and matches.
03:26 jcamins If the world is going to end, I'd like it to end with the prospect of pomegranate fudge in the afterlife.
03:27 * jcamins heads to bed.
03:27 eythian
03:27 thd jcamins: Good night.
03:30 * thd hunts some food by plentiful electric light with the knowledge of how very easy it is now.
03:32 rangi :)
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03:49 eythian can someone who has a tarball install handy tell me what directory the 'history.txt' file ends up in?
03:50 rangi hmm dont have one handy sorry
03:59 Oak kia ora #koha
04:00 Oak missed the meeting :(
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06:09 mtj eythian, about?
06:09 mtj is it common to do a dist-upgrade on a koha-common package, anyone?
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06:55 Oak guten morgen cait
06:55 Oak hwo is marcus?
06:57 cait hello Oak
06:57 cait doing well, growing and drooling
07:11 alex_a_ bonjour
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07:31 reiveune hello
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07:59 lds hello
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08:05 gaetan_B hello
08:05 wahanui que tal, gaetan_B
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08:40 * cait waves
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08:43 drojf hi cait
08:46 cait hi drojf
08:47 cait the first Norwegian Koha day is about to start soon :)
08:52 drojf \o/
08:53 drojf will you be speaking in norwegian? :P
08:55 cait um... no,
08:55 cait magnuse will talk enough norwegian for the two of us :)
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10:24 cait mveron++
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10:27 * cait waves :)
10:27 cait @wunder Oslo, Norway
10:27 huginn cait: The current temperature in Harestua, Harestua, Norway is -4.1°C (11:25 AM CET on November 07, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising).
10:27 cait @quote random
10:27 magnuse hiya #koha
10:28 huginn cait: Quote #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it" (added by gmcharlt at 06:23 PM, September 16, 2009)
10:28 magnuse anyone want to wave to 20 norwegian librarians learning about koha?
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10:56 cait lds: no biblibre today?
10:56 cait quite quiet in here :)
10:57 lds cait: hello
10:58 * drojf missed the norwegians
10:58 drojf :(
11:04 clrh cait: we are here, don't worry ;)
11:05 StarseekR some of us got lured in, and are still here *waves*
11:12 * jcamins waves to the 20 Norwegian librarians.
11:15 * drojf waves to all lured in norwegians :)
11:15 * StarseekR waves back
11:15 drojf StarseekR: how is the workshop so far?
11:15 StarseekR interesting:)
11:16 drojf is it your first contact with koha?
11:16 jcamins My cat Myshkin extends his greetings as well.
11:17 StarseekR yep. have heard a lot about it, but never gotting around to looking into it on my own :D
11:21 drojf StarseekR: is it information about koha or do you also get hands-on training today?
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11:46 cait hands on training will be later I think
11:46 cait now was lunch :) yum!
11:46 cait jcamins: you still around?
11:47 jcamins cait: yes.
11:47 jcamins I learned interesting things from your presentation. :)
11:48 jcamins I didn't realize that the National Library of Venezuela had updated.
11:52 jcamins Myshkin didn't realize how few cats had Koha catalogs.
11:52 jcamins He's insulted.
11:52 drojf after all i read about the us presidential election i wonder when some world police-y country will invade the usa to bring democracy
11:54 jcamins drojf: I expect it will be a long time. After all, it's usually the US doing the invading.
11:54 drojf it's wise to allow cannabis so people don't complain ;)
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12:01 koyauni hi guys, when I search Z39.5 to update an existing record, it will find the record, but the TITLE is empty, and when imported, the record is updated, and when listed there is no title, I have tried with many records, and the results is the same.
12:01 jcamins What source are you using?
12:01 koyauni has anyone came cross something like this
12:01 jcamins I have not.
12:02 koyauni British Libray and LOC
12:02 koyauni this is new, it did not use to be link this
12:02 jcamins What did you change?
12:03 koyauni look at this
12:03 koyauni http://library.koyauniversity.[…]?biblionumber=634
12:03 koyauni now the info is completed so I use Z39 to search and find the record and then import the data,
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12:05 jcamins Okay, but what changed?
12:06 koyauni but now the data in Z39 does not shows the title
12:06 jcamins You said that.
12:06 koyauni I tried with many book and all comes with no title
12:06 jcamins Yes, I know.
12:06 jcamins What did you change?
12:06 jcamins Something must have changed.
12:07 koyauni so let me import fo this book and see what happens
12:07 jcamins If it just magically stopped working, the only thing you can do is wait for it to magically start working again.
12:07 koyauni I do not know what
12:07 koyauni :)
12:07 jcamins In that case I can't help you, sorry.
12:07 koyauni I see tag 245 has information but doe snot show
12:09 cait did you change the marcflavour setting?
12:09 cait (I hope not)
12:09 koyauni well this seams to happen only at admin side
12:10 drojf xslt something
12:10 koyauni since I updated the record via z39 now http://library.koyauniversity.[…]?biblionumber=634
12:10 koyauni and only in admin the title is not shown!
12:11 koyauni what is marcflavour setting please
12:11 jcamins It is a system preference.
12:12 jcamins It sounds like what has happened is that you changed your MARC framework and broke it.
12:12 koyauni yes in Interpret and store MARC records in the which reads MRC21
12:12 koyauni MARC21
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12:25 koyauni fixed now, XSLTDetailsDisplay set to default and works now
12:28 drojf my pleasure, you're welcome
12:32 drojf the answer to jcamins' question was "it stopped working after i changed my xslt file" btw. could have been quite easy
12:32 jcamins drojf: no, I'm pretty sure the answer to my question was "it stopped working after I erased a bunch of fields in the framework editor."
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12:33 drojf jcamins: but how would changing the xslt repair that?
12:34 jcamins drojf: it didn't.
12:34 jcamins It's a workaround.
12:34 drojf how does that work?
12:34 jcamins The XSLT files do not use the frameworks.
12:34 drojf ah
12:34 drojf i see
12:35 drojf well, we will find out sooner or later
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13:16 oleonard Hi #koha
13:26 drojf hi oleonard
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14:33 druthb o/
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14:43 cait hi druthb :)
14:43 druthb hi, cait. :)
14:44 oleonard How's your Norwegian shaping up cait?
14:44 cait I think I got thank you by now
14:44 cait but that's about it
14:45 cait from here it looks like magnuse is doing a great job and the location is very nice
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14:56 oleonard Wow, want to make time out? Submit a barcode along with a long string of random numbers instead of a date under "specify due date"
14:58 libsysguy oleonard stop poking circulation…its a sad little function that only works under optimal conditions
14:58 cait meh.
14:58 oleonard Anyway, I'm making the field read only for Bug 8972
14:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8972 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Due Date set to 100 years ago.
14:58 * cait just discovered lots ofmissing sample data in the german web installer
14:58 cait some of it kinda mandatory :(
15:00 jcamins Oh, what do people think about turning off BiblioAddsAuthorities by default?
15:00 jcamins We get an awful lot of questions from people who can't figure out how to edit authority-controlled fields.
15:00 cait I am not sure about it really
15:02 oleonard Based on my library's workflow I would say yes, turn it off. But that doesn't mean we're doing it the "right" way.
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15:12 jcamins I wonder if rangi has a backup of the jenkins database from 3.2.
15:15 cait hm
15:15 cait this is puzzling.
15:17 chris_n jcamins: +1
15:19 chris_n oleonard: I suspected as much with the current dt_from_string code
15:20 chris_n it does not have a "what you passed in does not validate" sort of catch
15:21 chris_n and so is probably subject to long, thoughtful musings over un-date-like strings passed in
15:25 jcamins oleonard++
15:28 oleonard What do I have to do to get circulation to pop up that weird error dialog with the date field in it?
15:29 cait rangi++
15:30 cait for always helping out newbies some of which some might be norwegian :)
15:30 cait oleonard: hm, maybe try a due date in the past? or do you mean something else?
15:30 cait oleonard++ too - awesome idea a bug squashing weekend :)
15:32 druthb hi, gmcharlt!
15:32 gmcharlt druthb: howdy!
15:33 * cait packs up
15:33 cait bye all :)
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15:33 jcamins Would someone who was around during the Koha 3.0 release cycle give me a little hint about how to access the web installer?
15:33 jcamins It seems it's not automatic?
15:34 * oleonard squints through his inch-thick glasses and holds the horn up to his ear
15:34 oleonard Eh, sonny?
15:34 jcamins Nor directly...
15:34 jcamins I guess there's an error in the httpd.conf that it generated.
15:34 * oleonard has no idea, blames the senility
15:35 jcamins I'll try 3.0.6.
15:36 jcamins And then just keep going up until it works or I identify an actual problem.
15:37 jcamins Or I get bored.
15:37 jcamins I could always get bored.
15:38 oleonard cait++ # it was a date due in the past
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15:45 jcamins Right...
15:45 jcamins I'm bored.
15:46 jcamins If anyone feels like installing old versions of Koha with all the sample data and then taking a dump of the database and sending it to me, I will use those databases to write a test for updating Koha.
15:48 jcamins Unfortunately Apache seems not to like the httpd.conf that Koha is generating.
15:50 jcamins I guess I could actually create a database by running all the .sql files I can find.
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15:54 oleonard jcamins must be looking for stuff to do now that he can't comment on political blogs all day long
15:55 oleonard Oh no I submitted a patch. Should've saved it for Friday!
15:57 jcamins oleonard: if I were looking for stuff to do, I'd figure this out myself. :P
16:00 jcamins Right, loading the SQL files doesn't work.
16:01 jcamins Oh well. Testing upgrades would've been a good idea.
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16:05 * chris_n digs in his basket of archives for a moment to see if there is an ancient 3.x backup there
16:08 chris_n jcamins: I have a db from 3.0002012
16:09 chris_n if you are interested; I'll need you to sanitize it or dispose of it when done
16:09 jcamins I can sanitize it.
16:10 chris_n its 500MB, how do you want it sent along?
16:10 jcamins Hm. Do you use Dropbox?
16:10 chris_n not at present
16:10 * jcamins will add a user in his owncloud. One moment.
16:19 reiveune bye
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16:24 oleonard nengard around?
16:24 nengard yes
16:24 oleonard I'm trying to reproduce Bug 9022
16:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9022 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , clicking two word tags says 'no tags'
16:25 oleonard Where are you when you click the tag? /tags/
16:25 nengard yes
16:26 oleonard Chrome on Mac?
16:26 nengard firefox ?
16:26 wahanui hmmm... firefox is koha's preferred browser
16:26 nengard getting more info
16:26 oleonard Works for me in master in Firefox, Chrome, IE9
16:27 oleonard I suspect it just needs a "url" filter on the template tag but I can't test if I can't reproduce.
16:27 nengard video coming
16:27 nengard it's not consistent
16:28 nengard
16:30 oleonard Have you confirmed that the tag links work in the OPAC?
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16:32 nengard nope
16:33 nengard not sure how to do that since the tags in question are rejected or pending
16:33 nengard and so not visible to everyone
16:34 oleonard Does it affect the outcome if they are rejected or pending as opposed to approved?
16:38 nengard i don't know ? kinda doing catch up here and didn't test thoroughly, just wnated to jot it down before I forgot - i can troubleshoot more in 2 weeks :( I'm away the rest of this week and all but one day next week
16:38 nengard :(
16:38 oleonard Okay.
16:39 nengard maybe it's just that those titles were deleted ?. i didn't think about that
16:39 nengard might be worth checking on
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16:44 oleonard I'm guessing that's what it is.
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16:45 oleonard Is this the wrong URL or did something break?[…]bin/
16:46 jcamins oleonard: I'm not sure. I meant to ask rangi but forgot.
16:54 ras0ir anyone knows why koha use pootle for translation?
16:54 jcamins ras0ir: it enables many people to work on translations simultaneously.
16:54 ras0ir but there are better alternatives such as transifex
16:55 jcamins Possibly other reasons, too. I don't know.
16:55 jcamins I suspect there probably weren't many other options in 2002.
16:56 oleonard Transifex is a paid service.
16:56 jcamins Also, where would the money come from to pay for something like that?
16:56 jcamins And how could we be confident it wouldn't just disappear?
16:56 ras0ir transifex is free for open source projects
16:57 oleonard ...but is not itself open source.
16:57 ras0ir transifex is open source as well
16:57 oleonard Where do you see that ras0ir?
16:58 jcamins oleonard:
16:58 jcamins If someone wanted to propose switching to transifex for 3.14, they could certainly do so.
17:01 jcamins That would make a good platform for a Translation Manager.
17:01 ras0ir absolutely
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17:02 jcamins I don't see any prospect of changing the translation system during 3.12, but if you wanted to ask on the koha-translate list you certainly could. There may be other reasons we're using Pootle too.
17:04 jcamins (note: I am not the one who makes decisions about the translation system, I just don't foresee it happening)
17:05 ras0ir ok i'll ask on the koha-translate list
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18:06 khall hey all, does anyone here want to enable sms alerts without paying for an sms gateway? If so, this is the patch for you: bug 9021
18:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9021 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add SMS via email as an alternative to SMS services via SMS::Send drivers
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18:13 * magnuse waves from OSL
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18:19 magnuse @later tell cait: the sushi wasn't any good anywat ;-)
18:19 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
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19:03 rangi hi magnus
19:07 rangi magnuse even
19:07 rangi and morning all
19:09 magnuse kia ora rangi!
19:10 bag heya rangi and magnuse
19:11 magnuse hiya bag
19:13 rangi fixed the
19:13 oleonard Thanks rangi
19:14 oleonard[…]bin/
19:14 oleonard Ouch. 120.
19:14 rangi yep
19:14 oleonard We have to halve that just to get it to where we were at the last GBSD
19:14 rangi yep
19:19 magnuse did someone propose a bug squashing weekend?
19:20 jcamins magnuse: yes.
19:20 magnuse yay
19:20 oleonard At the meeting yesterday magnuse
19:20 magnuse ah, i have not seen the log or even the minutes yet...
19:21 rangi im not sure anyone has put up the minutes yet, ill try to do that today
19:22 magnuse i'll add the links now
19:25 magnuse doe
19:25 magnuse and done, even
19:29 rangi thanks
19:34 chris_n so do we have a script which allows me to build a package from my git repo?
19:35 magnuse chris_n: have you seen debian/build-git-snapshot or something like that?
19:36 magnuse[…]es_-_The_Easy_Way
19:36 chris_n cool
19:36 * magnuse wanders off to catch a plane
19:37 rangi transifex would be interesting to me, if i saw it running on someones server
19:37 jcamins Only 2569 files left to download before the TeXLive installation can start.
19:37 * chris_n is looking for the best way to handle local development which needs to be applied in production without waiting for it to be pushed in a release
19:38 rangi or if it had an INSTALL file
19:38 jcamins chris_n: local branch that tracks upstream.
19:38 jcamins Then build packages, test, and install in production.
19:38 chris_n that's sort of what I was thinking
19:38 rangi yep
19:38 jcamins That's how I do it.
19:38 rangi we do that daily
19:38 chris_n most development can wait, but some is being screamed for :)
19:38 * jcamins does it monthly.
19:39 jcamins Well, unless there's something important.
19:39 jcamins In which case I do it more often.
19:39 jcamins Naturally.
19:39 rangi (for staging servers)
19:39 rangi but yeah building packages is pretty simple once you ahve your environment up
19:40 * chris_n is thinking this eliminates the horrors of merge conflicts and fiends
19:40 chris_n opps, friends
19:41 jcamins Well, there can still be conflicts.
19:41 rangi yep
19:41 rangi but they are easier to handle
19:41 rangi and if it is a local branch, i wouldnt do merges
19:41 rangi but rebase
19:42 rangi heres how i do a branch that is 3.6.x based but with some customisations
19:42 jcamins Really?
19:42 rangi yes
19:42 rangi lemme show you
19:42 jcamins I was doing rebase at first, but ran into problems.
19:42 rangi git rebase -i v3.06.04 --onto v3.08.05
19:42 rangi actually
19:42 rangi git rebase -i v3.06.04 --onto v3.06.05
19:43 chris_n whew
19:43 rangi 3.6.5 then my changes
19:43 jcamins rangi: does that help you avoid fixing the same merge conflicts every time?
19:43 rangi yep
19:43 jcamins That's why I switched to merge.
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19:43 rangi the -i
19:44 rangi if you fix the commits
19:44 rangi then they dont conflict again
19:44 rangi you can also take the opportunity to squash some
19:44 rangi with -i
19:44 rangi but the real advantage is it ends up like this
19:45 jcamins Ooh. Hot cocoa.
19:45 jcamins This is a good idea.
19:45 rangi[…]hauraki-packaging
19:45 jcamins Interesting.
19:45 wahanui interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad
19:45 rangi all the local changes, all at the top
19:45 rangi easy to see
19:45 rangi and to try to get rid of
19:46 jcamins When I did just "git rebase kc/3.6.x," I ended up with a horrible mess by the second time.
19:46 rangi each rebase that list gets shorter
19:46 rangi --onto is key
19:47 jcamins I'll have to do that for 3.8.x when I switch.
19:48 * chris_n looks
19:48 rangi[…]onsidered-useful/
19:49 chris_n very nice
19:49 chris_n keeping them at the top and eliminating local commits asap are my two primary concerns
19:49 rangi yep
19:49 rangi it works great for that
19:49 chris_n that hopefully makes upgrading as pain-free as possible
19:49 rangi hmm so did i miss something
19:50 rangi or has purchase suggestions never sent email?
19:50 jcamins No idea.
19:50 francharb hi all
19:50 jcamins It didn't ring any bells with me.
19:50 bag I've gotten emails that say purchase suggestion accepted
19:50 oleonard Hi francharb
19:50 bag is that what you are talking about
19:50 francharb hi oleonard
19:50 * chris_n has no idea
19:51 francharb how is it going
19:51 francharb ?
19:51 chris_n hi francharb
19:51 francharb hi chris_n
19:51 rangi hmm yeah that bit does, but when someone makes one on the opac it doesnt email the library eh?
19:51 jcamins Hi francharb.
19:51 francharb 0/ jcamins
19:51 bag let me check rangi
19:51 chris_n rangi: I don't think so
19:52 chris_n we get suggestions from our patrons, but I don't recall receiving them via email
19:53 bag rangi no… I only have the responses
19:53 rangi yeah
19:53 rangi ill reply to elaine
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20:04 chris_n tnx rangi && jcamins
20:05 francharb anyone knows how the HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn syspref is related to the return policy that can be defined within the smart rules page?
20:06 rangi francharb: hmm not sure sorry
20:09 rangi francharb: my guess is the smartrules one is designed to replace the syspref, but im not sure
20:11 francharb rangi, that's what I think too (maxreserves syspref works that way. it's the default value if there are no smart rules for the holds...)
20:11 francharb rangi, I have the same question for the connection between the notice setting a patron can do with the enhancedmessagingpreferences on, and the item circulation alerts page, any chance you would know anything about it? ;)
20:12 rangi hmm ive never actually used the item circulation alerts stuff, just the messaging stuff
20:15 rangi this one eh? /cgi-bin/koha/admin/ ?
20:15 francharb yep!
20:15 rangi i suspect there is no relation and if that code works, you would just get both happening in parallel
20:15 francharb :)
20:15 rangi but i don't have any libraries using the circulation alerts .. at least not afaik
20:15 rangi :)
20:16 francharb thank you!
20:17 rangi patrons do love the enhanced messaging though
20:17 chris_n ahh... its alive
20:17 * chris_n restores his dev repo
20:17 rangi the trick is making them know they can
20:17 francharb rangi, that's right!
20:18 rangi quite a few parents at hlt have set up check-in emails for their childrens accounts
20:18 francharb :)
20:18 rangi that way, when they tell the kid, 'return that book on your way to school'
20:18 rangi they get an email if the kid did :)
20:19 jcamins rangi: smart!
20:19 jcamins It's snowing outside.
20:20 jcamins A lot.
20:20 rangi ohhh
20:20 chris_n very smart
20:20 rangi i hope ppl have power back and stuff
20:20 rangi no power and heating and snow would be crap
20:20 jcamins rangi: I think steam is still out in parts of Manhattan.
20:22 jcamins And 79k people in NY are without power.
20:22 francharb my father used to say "trust does not exclude control"
20:22 francharb he wasn't the only one apparently
20:22 francharb ;)
20:24 * jcamins would be one of the parents doing that, now that it's been suggested.
20:24 rangi yikes jcamins
20:24 rangi hehe
20:24 francharb jcamins, really? I always thougt a little bit confusing the trust/control thing...
20:25 chris_n at least until we have a module which bills the kid's fines to the kid's mutual fund or some such :-)
20:25 jcamins francharb: it'd be one less thing to worry about. If I didn't get an e-mail, I'd know I had to plan an extra trip to the library.
20:26 rangi jcamins: exactly
20:28 francharb :)
20:28 jcamins Good news, though- my parents got power back this morning before the snow started.
20:29 francharb \0/
20:29 rangi yay!!
20:29 rangi hmm did thd have power back ? he did didnt he?
20:29 jcamins Doubly good because they have well water.
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20:30 jcamins Yeah, though I think he said there were still some buildings without steam in his neighborhood.
20:31 jcamins Oh yes. Mine is a Russian cat. He's been staring out the window at the snow purring ecstaticly.
20:32 francharb It's hard to figure out how manhattan is without power...
20:32 * chris 's cat demands that you sit there and let it rub you
20:32 jcamins francharb: several of the electrical substations exploded, I think.
20:32 jcamins Thankfully not the one next to my server.
20:33 francharb :)
20:33 * rangi remembers to rsvp for the pizza thursday talk in time
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20:44 mtj morning #koha, and congrats team-usa
20:45 francharb morning mtj
20:45 francharb :)
20:46 mtj heya fcharb
20:49 mtj rangi++, thanx for sorting bugzilla's script
20:49 rangi no worries
20:49 rangi i should commit all those scripts to my repo sometime
20:50 jcamins What do they do?
20:50 jcamins (I gather there are a bunch)
20:51 rangi[…]-bin/
20:51 mtj[…]bin/
20:52 chris there's nothing like a power outage in the midst of a package install to screw things up
20:52 rangi[…]bin/
20:52 rangi the dashboard is some json, of the last 10 signoffs
20:53 mtj ^^ i've been using chris' script to graph bug stats for each branch ->[…]koha_bz_head.html
20:53 jcamins Ah, that's what feeds
20:53 rangi yep
20:53 rangi well not anymore, but it could :)
20:53 jcamins It's not?
20:53 rangi[…]i-bin/
20:54 jcamins Where are the signoffs coming from then?
20:54 rangi naw the dashboard does that query itself
20:54 oleonard chris you lost your n ?
20:54 chris arghh!
20:54 oleonard Much better.
20:55 chris_n whew!
20:55 rangi the progress one is just a nice what changed each day
20:55 rangi[…]n/
20:55 rangi this one feeds this
20:56 rangi
20:56 rangi put in any bug number and click draw graph
20:56 mtj heh, thats awesome
20:57 rangi 5579 is a good one to look at
20:57 rangi cos it changed stat lots
20:57 * oleonard wants those horizontal grid lines to line up with the Y axis labels
20:58 rangi its using jplot
20:58 rangi if you tell me how, ill fix it :)
20:58 oleonard I just lost a fight with datatables.js, I don't think I'm up for it :(
21:00 rangi they were all just little things i did to learn stuff, none of them are particularly useful
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21:10 Manderson So I've got Koha running on there a good way to stress test it?
21:11 jcamins Manderson: before you do anything, TAKE A COMPLETE BACKUP OF THAT SYSTEM!!!!!
21:11 jcamins And print out the shell history.
21:11 Manderson It's on a VM
21:11 jcamins Good. Take a snapshot.
21:11 rangi ahh take a snapshot and save it :)
21:11 rangi you wouldnt want to have to do it all again :)
21:11 drojf and upload it to the wiki :D
21:11 rangi[…]pen-source-awards
21:11 jcamins You're the first person to report Koha working on Red Hat in...
21:12 jcamins I guess I've been hanging around #koha for three years now.
21:12 rangi i learnt about this last night
21:12 Manderson Jeez...really? This didn't seem like that difficult of a task :P
21:13 jcamins Manderson: good... wanna make an rpm of Koha now? :)
21:13 jcamins Or at least a how-to guide?
21:13 rangi ooh that would be excellent!
21:13 drojf what version of koha are you running?
21:13 jcamins Manderson: but, back to your original question, if you're able to search for books and check them in and out, everything else is just window dressing.
21:13 Manderson 3.08.06
21:14 jcamins Manderson++
21:14 oleonard "window dressing?!"
21:14 cjh awesome, koha on red hat!
21:14 cjh Manderson++
21:14 jcamins oleonard: well, isn't it?
21:14 Manderson Don't give me ++'s yet...I need to get it tested out...
21:14 jcamins Also, if those three functions work, we know how to troubleshoot basically everything else.
21:15 ras0ir i'm running koha on arch linux :P
21:15 oleonard Okay, I guess in the context of getting it running on a new distro
21:15 jcamins ras0ir: a couple of people have been successful with that. Red Hat is particularly unfriendly.
21:15 cjh ras0ir: did you use the package on the aur?
21:15 ras0ir cjh: yes
21:16 jcamins I think several people have gone insane trying to install Koha under Red Hat.
21:16 rangi cjh: did you package that?
21:16 Manderson All I did to get it running on Redhat was to compile Yaz and Zebra from source, link all their binaries and libraries into /usr/bin and /usr/lib respectively.
21:16 rangi i think more have trouble with centos/fedora than redhat itself
21:16 jcamins Manderson: and it just worked? Just like that.
21:16 jcamins *?
21:16 jcamins What version of Red Hat?
21:17 Manderson Pretty much
21:17 ras0ir jcamins: i think it's because of lack of perl packages and zebra stuff
21:17 Manderson RH Enterprise Linux Server 6
21:17 Manderson Perl packages were a bitch
21:17 cjh rangi: no I didnt package it, it was yhager.
21:17 Manderson Had to CPAN most of them and resolve dependencies manually
21:17 rangi ahh right
21:17 * oleonard waves goodbye for the evening
21:17 rangi Manderson: yep, thats where most ppl give up
21:18 rangi they are all .deb packaged, theres no reason there couldnt be .rpm of them all too
21:18 rangi it just needs someone to want to enough to do it :)
21:18 cjh is there a list of all the koha deps?
21:18 rangi yep
21:18 Manderson rangi: to get many of them working, I had to download the header files, which requires enabling the "optional" yum repo to get them
21:18 jcamins Hm... I think this snow could be called "driving."
21:18 rangi cjh: you can go
21:19 rangi ./ -a
21:19 rangi in a git checkout
21:19 cjh awesome
21:19 Manderson rangi: thank god for that perl script
21:19 rangi its very handy eh
21:19 Manderson yessir
21:20 rangi back in the day
21:20 rangi someone did rpm for a bunch of them
21:20 cjh that is an awesome script
21:20 rangi http://lists.koha-community.or[…]-June/026137.html
21:20 rangi sometime my memory scares me
21:20 rangi i can remember stuff like that
21:20 rangi but not where i put my glasses 10 mins ago
21:21 cjh heh
21:21 ras0ir lol
21:21 jcamins lol
21:21 mtj Manderson, congrats on your tenacity :)
21:21 Manderson Oh...also...SELinux got in the way some.
21:21 Manderson Thanks mtj
21:22 jcamins Manderson: oh, darn. I should've told you there's a patch for the SELinux problems.
21:22 jcamins I'd forgotten that was on Red Hat.
21:22 jcamins It needs someone to test it.
21:22 Manderson No this point, I am not concerned about it being enforced, so I just disabled it for the time being.
21:23 jcamins Unfortunately, I don't have a system with SELinux so I can't test it.
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21:35 Manderson Is there a scrip that launches zebra in daemon mode?
21:36 jcamins Manderson: it doesn't work under Red Hat.
21:36 jcamins It requires the "daemon" program, which apparently isn't used in Red Hat and its derivatives.
21:37 Manderson Ahh
21:37 Manderson Gotcha
21:39 ras0ir could someone paste init scripts for koha, i'd like to create systemd units
21:40 jcamins ras0ir:[…]0780a8556;hb=HEAD
21:40 ras0ir thanks
21:40 jcamins Manderson: actually, looks like someone tested the script and it got in.
21:41 jcamins
21:41 jcamins ras0ir: koha-zebra-ctl is the key one.
21:41 ras0ir what's sip used for? rfid?
21:42 Manderson jcamins: thanks, I'll take a look
21:42 jcamins Selfcheck machines, ebook systems, etc.
21:44 Manderson jcamins: Zebra itself has a daemon option... -D
21:44 Manderson starts up and throws itself into the background
21:44 jcamins Manderson: I think the reason we don't use it is that it is hard to stop the daemon.
21:44 jcamins I'm not sure, though.
21:45 Manderson Gotcha
21:45 Manderson Thanks
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22:01 eythian yeah the 'daemon' tool wraps even self-backgrounding things in handy ways to make them easier to manage
22:01 francharb time to sleep
22:01 francharb see ya
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22:16 jcamins Interesting:
22:19 * rangi waves from the bus
22:21 rangi Bag: have you tried Sierra nevada tumbler?
22:22 bag no I have not
22:22 bag oh what I have!!!
22:22 bag it's good
22:22 bag I was thinking - tumblr like a webpage
22:22 bag heh
22:22 rangi I tried it last night it is good
22:23 bag not the true nectar!
22:23 rangi I also tried Bling ipa
22:23 rangi Which was ok
22:24 bag I had arrogant bastard ale lastnight - cause all them in the elections are like that ALE
22:25 rangi Hehe
22:28 eythian rangi: did you get the white house beer last night?
22:28 rangi I didn't
22:28 rangi We ended up at the Malthouse
22:28 eythian ah right
22:29 bag I have a friend that was working on the obama campaign and got some of the obama collection white house ale last night
22:29 rangi Cos hashigo zake was too full
22:30 eythian bag: they brewed a batch of it here for yesterday
22:30 bag nice
22:30 eythian rangi: ah right, I didn't go in, but I did see that it didn't appear to last long
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22:33 rangi I think it would be one of their more profitable wednesdays
22:36 rangi Righto my stop bbiab
22:43 jcamins Can you use patron 0 as an anonymous patron?
22:45 cjh heh "kick koha's tires and see if you can break something!"
22:45 cjh oleonard++
22:47 rangi jcamins: no
22:47 rangi thats the kohaadmin user
22:47 jcamins That's what I thought.
22:47 rangi it will go badly
22:47 jcamins Yeah, logic told me that if you do that any data you try to connect to the anonymous user will go spectacularly missing.
22:47 rangi *nod*
22:50 rangi did you want to answer?
22:52 jcamins I did.
22:52 rangi sweet
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23:06 jcamins Wow.
23:07 jcamins So it sounds like this snowstorm really is pretty serious.
23:07 rangi thats not good
23:07 jcamins There is a car stuck outside, it sounds like.
23:10 jcamins Considering it started snowing about 3 hours ago, that promises downed wires if it really snows for the next 13 hours.
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23:47 gaetan_B bye
23:48 mtj ive got a koha package upgrade Q...
23:48 jcamins Yes?
23:49 mtj after a 'apt-get upgrade koha-common' is run successfully - does the script get run too, automatically?
23:49 jcamins Yes.
23:50 mtj or, does the get triggered , when the superuser logs into the staff client next?
23:50 jcamins No.
23:50 jcamins It's run automatically.
23:50 mtj gotcha :)
23:50 jcamins Note that this means that if you created an instance and never ran the web installer you'll get a screen full of warnings.
23:50 mtj cool, thats is indeed whats just happened here (just wanted to confim) :)
23:51 mtj yeah, i can see that - you cant upgrade a system that was never installed to start with
23:51 mtj s/system/db/
23:53 mtj s/installed/created/ :)

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