IRC log for #koha, 2011-04-21

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00:02 rangi oh crap i forgot my coffee
00:02 * rangi goes back to the kitchen
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00:06 hdl so bug 5579 did make it... that's a thing.
00:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5579 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml
00:06 hdl gmcharlt: about your comment... Yes. I am more in favour of DBIx::Class than SQLHelper.
00:07 hdl But at the moment, there still is the problem of data persistence. which would slow down the things.
00:08 rangi hdl yep a very good thing ;)
00:09 hdl rangi: which success did you have with Plack Implementation for circulation.
00:09 hdl Is it still working ok ?
00:09 rangi hdl: i think the Koha:: namespace gives us the opportunity to introduce DBIx::Class in a more controlled manner, first only on services that are persistent perhaps
00:09 rangi hdl: yes, i plan after the release (when i have time)
00:09 rangi to try it on a bigger client
00:10 hdl the more we introduce Json and ajax, the more we will need DBIx::Class.
00:10 rangi yup
00:11 rangi i think for all those services
00:11 rangi we move them to Koha:: first
00:11 rangi get them going, and then move others over
00:11 rangi if we do it right, we should be able to phase persistance in
00:11 hdl have you played with KiokuDB?
00:11 rangi no, is it good?
00:12 hdl seems really good.
00:12 hdl It would allow us to store some objects directly on disk... Would be a big + for tests
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00:16 rangi right, theres another one like that, i forget its name
00:16 rangi starts with r
00:17 rangi that chilts had used
00:17 hdl KiokuDB seems to be concensual in Modern::Perl galaxy
00:18 hdl time to go to bed
00:18 hdl see you
00:18 rangi sleep well
00:19 gmcharlt hdl: good night
00:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #209: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/209/
00:23 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 6215 : Fixing a bug with virtuallists
00:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6215 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Pagination links missing on lists pages
00:24 jenkins_koha Starting build 210 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
00:26 druthb rangi++
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00:29 * druthb reads[…]_notes_3_4_0.txt; lines 12-14, and just cries and cries.
00:30 space_librarian I think that was wonderful.
00:30 druthb mhm
00:33 bg druthb++
00:35 druthb shux, boss, I din't do anything...
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00:37 druthb bg++
00:49 Waylon is hdl or sekjal available?
00:54 druthb As neither is here, I would presume not, Waylon.
01:00 Waylon hmmmmm... lose 1.1gigs hdd to OS, per VM.... and 255 mb.
01:00 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Updating upgrade instructions <[…]615e10e745a28f9dd>
01:01 gmcharlt rangi++
01:01 Waylon but xenserver hot snapshotting seems better than tar-ing.
01:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #210: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/210/
01:03 jenkins_koha * Henri-Damien LAURENT: Bug 5579: remove items from MARC bib
01:03 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 5579: improvements to
01:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5579 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml
01:03 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 5579: fix moving items from bib to another
01:03 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 5579: correctly signal when to reindex bibs
01:03 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 5579: new routine to embed items in bib
01:03 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 5579: reduce processing to log item changes
01:03 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 5579: remove
01:03 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 5579: remove unused routines
01:03 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 5579: teach MARC export to embed items when needed
01:03 jenkins_koha * Matthias Meusburger: bug 5579 : Fixes several exports to embed items
01:03 jenkins_koha * Matthias Meusburger: bug 5579 : Fixes ISBD display
01:03 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 5579: add line removed during patch review
01:03 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 5579: remove a now-unecessary vestigal variable
01:03 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 5579: tweaks to
01:03 rangi yay no asplode
01:03 jenkins_koha Starting build 211 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:04 rangi ok
01:05 rangi in the for 3.2.x
01:05 rangi there are some updates that do inserts
01:06 rangi they are repeated in master (cos thats where they come from)
01:06 Waylon could just use straight Xen.... hmm..
01:06 rangi im tempted to move them up and change them to match the 3.2.x numbers
01:06 rangi which would mean anyone coming from 3.2.x wont get the upgrade spazzing on them
01:07 rangi[…]30a62bb651a#l3809
01:07 rangi thats the point where they diverged
01:08 rangi worth doing?
01:08 rangi the danger i can think of, is that someone coming from early 3.3.x that hadnt upgraded in a while will miss some
01:08 gmcharlt rangi: that or have record the original version number
01:09 rangi sorry?
01:09 gmcharlt and adjust the specific 3.3 updates to check to see if the applicable 3.2.x update was already run
01:09 rangi oh yeah thats better
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01:10 rangi so set a variable before we do anything recording the number we are coming from
01:10 gmcharlt yep
01:10 rangi yeah ill do that
01:10 rangi thanks
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01:15 rangi if (C4::Context->preference("Version") < TransformToNum($DBversion) && $original_version < TransformToNum("")) {
01:15 rangi my brain is not working good, thats what you meant eh?
01:16 gmcharlt yes, assuming that my $original_version = TransfromToNum(C4::Context​->preference('Version'));
01:16 rangi well its just C4::Context->preference
01:16 rangi without the transform
01:16 gmcharlt oh, right
01:17 rangi but yep i have that at top of the script
01:18 rangi cool yeah that seems to work, (monkeying with the version number in the db)
01:20 rangi gmcharlt++
01:24 rangi distance from earth
01:24 rangi srsly?
01:24 rangi @marc 034
01:24 huginn rangi: The coded form of the mathematical data contained in field 255 (Mathematical Data Area) of the bibliographic record. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,j,k,m,n,p,r,s,t,x,y,z,2,6,8]
01:24 rangi mein gott
01:26 rangi now i have to find a record that uses that
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01:26 rangi and it will be my new demo record
01:26 gmcharlt gotta make sure Koha is ready to support the Lunar Colony Library
01:26 rangi heh
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01:33 Waylon to xen or not to xen.. that is the question..
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01:37 brendan__ not to xen is the answer
01:41 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Updating to try to stop duplicate upgrades being run <[…]c8073f2d60b41bc4c>
01:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #211: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/211/
01:42 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Updating upgrade instructions
01:42 jenkins_koha Starting build 212 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:43 Waylon xen gives me online backups via its tools... or via lvm snapshots.. and restoring.. bring down vm, bring up snapshotted vm.
01:44 Waylon tar backups or lvm snapshots on bare bones system... restoration..... how/
01:44 Waylon ?
01:51 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 6227: tweak release notes <[…]be6a0b2f0a2475a40> / bug 6227: adjust description of NoZebra syspref <[…]3a9db617975081327> / bug 6227: remove search engine question from installer <[…]iff;h=7382cc31584
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02:09 Brooke_ kia ora!
02:09 rangi hey Brooke_
02:09 wahanui1 Brooke_ is hearing no objections
02:09 Brooke_ :D
02:09 Brooke_ I like that one.
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02:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #212: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/212/
02:22 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Updating to try to stop duplicate upgrades being run
02:22 jenkins_koha Starting build 213 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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02:35 Brooke_ 0/
02:36 Brooke_ ye're up late.
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02:39 Brooke_ 0/
02:46 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6224 : Revert "3.0.x: ce353e7 bug #3674 allow users creation with disabled password" <[…]5b5059d80bf1663ad>
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03:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #213: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/213/
03:01 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 6227: remove search engine question from installer
03:01 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 6227: adjust description of NoZebra syspref
03:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6227 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, deprecate NoZebra for 3.4.0
03:01 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 6227: tweak release notes
03:01 jenkins_koha Starting build 214 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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03:26 Brooke_ 0/
03:26 AmitG heya Brooke_
03:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #214: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/214/
03:41 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 6224 : Revert "3.0.x: ce353e7 bug #3674 allow users creation with disabled password"
03:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6224 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, New patrons created with an OPAC login but no password are assigned a default password
03:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3674 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, REOPENED, Creating users with empty password
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03:57 kmkale Namaskar #koha
03:57 druthb Namaskar, kmkale.
03:57 space_librarian namaste kmkale. How was the trip yesterday?
03:57 kmkale hi druthb
03:58 kmkale hi space_librarian it was too much. Reached home 9pm 4hrs driving total. Outside temp was about 44
03:58 kmkale :(
03:58 space_librarian yikes!
03:58 space_librarian That's horrible.
04:03 kmkale yeh. No AC as the buildings are not completed yet :(
04:04 druthb whew
04:04 druthb that is fierce.
04:08 * space_librarian remembers 44 degrees. It was no fun.
04:13 druthb where I lived in west Texas, it routinely got above 38 in the summer, but rarely more than 41.  And it was dry as a mother-in-law's kiss, not that soaking-wet humid kind of hot.
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04:22 cait good morning #koha
04:23 bg heya cait
04:23 bg good evening
04:23 cait hi bg :)
04:32 druthb hi, cait.  :)
04:32 cait why are you awakeẞ
04:32 cait ?
04:33 * druthb makes whining noises, and points at that ill-begotten Destiny system she's trying to convert.
04:33 cait hmpf.
04:36 kmkale hi cait
04:36 cait h ikmkale
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04:47 bg night all
04:47 Oak \o
04:49 cait good night brendan
04:50 Oak good night Gallagher
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05:21 cait rangi: around?
05:25 cait hmpf. that is confusing.
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06:00 rangi whats confusing?
06:00 rangi on the bus on the way home
06:01 cait the version numbers and comparing
06:01 rangi oh :)
06:01 cait I am working on the itemsstocknumberidx thing
06:01 cait It's correct when you start with a 3.2.2 or 3.2.4 I have confirmed that now
06:01 rangi send the patch ill fix the numbers
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06:02 cait but starting from before items.stocknumber was introduced into the db (so that it's created by the updatedatabase) gives me all kinds of database errors
06:02 rangi orly
06:02 rangi hmm
06:02 cait and one of them my stocknumber thing
06:03 cait updating from 3.2.4 also gives one about privacy
06:03 rangi I can look at when the wine wears off
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06:03 rangi very good bordeaux from paul
06:03 cait was it good?
06:03 cait ah :)
06:03 rangi all the wine lovers at work thought it was great
06:04 cait I can send you the patch as far as I get with notes, would this be ok?
06:04 rangi thats fine
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06:07 cait thx rangi
06:07 cait which mail?
06:07 Waylon okay! debian lenny or debian squeeze?
06:12 cait rangi: probably the if clause we constructed does not work correctly
06:13 cait hm.
06:16 alex_a bonjour #koha
06:17 rangi my catalyst one
06:17 rangi squeeze
06:18 cait bonjour alex_a
06:24 alex_a hi cait
06:28 Waylon one vote for squeeze... hmm... only one problem with it... my host doesn't have it as a os reload option... so im going to have to put a iso image in a lockbox then attach it via imdi... ah what fun new things im learning today.
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07:19 fredericd rangi: Are you still working on TT parser for translation tools?
07:30 rangi nope i think between cait and I we got it working pretty well
07:30 rangi there is only one more thing I might do, and that is remove trailing whitespace
07:30 rangi but that wont be tonight
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07:44 kf good morning #koha
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07:55 fredericd rangi: What do you think of this case?...
07:55 fredericd In, line 397, you have that:
07:55 fredericd <td>
07:55 fredericd [% IF ( RESERVE.wait ) %]
07:55 fredericd [% IF ( RESERVE.atdestination ) %]
07:55 fredericd [% IF ( RESERVE.found ) %]
07:55 fredericd Item waiting at <b> [% RESERVE.wbrname %]</b>[% IF ( RESERVE.formatted    waitingdate ) %] until [% RESERVE.formattedwaitingdate %][% END %]
07:55 fredericd In OPAC .po file it becomes:
07:55 fredericd #. %1$s:  IF ( RESERVE.wait )
07:55 fredericd #. %2$s:  IF ( RESERVE.atdestination )
07:55 fredericd #. %3$s:  IF ( RESERVE.found )
07:55 fredericd #: opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/
07:55 fredericd msgid "%s %s %s Item waiting at "
07:55 fredericd msgstr "Document mis de coté à <b> %s </b>"
07:56 fredericd It's not very clear for translators. The placeholders in the string
07:56 fredericd to translate %s %s %s are not here for containing variables related to
07:56 fredericd the text to translate but to accomodate TT condition tags. There is a
07:56 fredericd risk that translator move placeholders and so break template.
07:56 rangi yep, that has always been the risk tho
07:57 rangi translators have moved, deleted placeholders in the past
07:57 fredericd Yes, but here we have placeholders for TT directives not for variables coming from Perl script
08:00 rangi yes, people will need to be careful and to test
08:00 kf fredericd: I translated an updates opac po file and agree that you have to be careful
08:00 kf but it also gives more flexibility
08:00 kf and you can see more clearly how sentences are constructed
08:00 kf before it would cut such things into  pieces
08:01 kf making it hard to find out what belongs together
08:01 fredericd kf: On Pootle, German .po files are those based on HTML::Template
08:01 kf yes
08:01 kf I did it with poedit on my laptop
08:01 fredericd Are you working on them or on TT based .po files?
08:01 rangi but kf updated them all using the tt files
08:01 fredericd ok
08:01 kf I was testing the translation scripts all week
08:02 fredericd If it works I will update Pootle
08:02 fredericd with TT based strings
08:02 kf I have completed opac and foudn no problems there in testing - still can have some hidden probles
08:02 kf but nothing obvious
08:02 kf xslt and javascript translation work now
08:02 kf it's a lot more placeholders - that's right
08:03 kf and there is a minor improvement we could make:
08:03 rangi the trailing whitespace?
08:03 kf there are a lot of cases where a trailing space at the end makes the string fuzzy
08:03 kf yep
08:03 fredericd I have a translator who isn't an IT person, and she complains...
08:03 kf I think a good example are all the pulldowns with formats on the advanced search page
08:04 kf hm, I think the basic thing is: copy it over and change only the english parts
08:04 kf I can understand it - but I am not sure there is a perfect solution for that
08:05 fredericd it can work now with German and even French
08:05 kf rangi told me that with the new syntax it's hard to see if something is a real placeholder or a directive
08:05 fredericd but I don't understand why other languages translators aren't complaining more!
08:05 kf hm sorry fredericd?
08:05 kf don't know
08:05 kf and there was not a lot of testing too
08:06 fredericd I mean that in German or French you can find a sentence which has a similar syntax than the English one
08:06 kf and having no placesholders makes it harder
08:06 kf ah
08:06 fredericd it's not that easy for other languages
08:06 kf you are right probably
08:06 kf I would like to get rid of those sentences int he templates
08:06 fredericd where you need to rearrange words, variables, in the sentence
08:07 kf being constructed like <part sentence> <if else constructs> <part sentence> etc.
08:07 rangi yes, fixing the templates for that
08:07 rangi would be the right thing to do
08:07 kf there is a lot of that in the borrower accoutns page
08:07 kf but I tried it once and gave up
08:07 rangi its better to do
08:07 kf I never got all the ifs and else right again
08:07 fredericd the solution could be to modify ALL templates to explicitelly mark what has to be translated
08:07 kf I hope it will be a little easier with TT now
08:08 fredericd like _( in javascript
08:08 rangi <if> whole sentence <else> whole sentence <end>
08:08 kf rangi: right, that's much easier!
08:08 kf but developers forget about translation very easy
08:08 rangi yes
08:08 kf I can understand that - but it's still annoying :)
08:08 rangi we should pester them more
08:09 rangi if we write some tests
08:09 rangi that complain about untranslatable strings
08:09 rangi then jenkins can yell at them :)
08:09 kf hm but probably hard to write a test for that?
08:09 rangi hard, but possible
08:09 kf normally it's me yelling at them :P
08:09 fredericd a good article on the subject:
08:10 rangi it is a lot easier to see with tt
08:10 kf perhaps we need a I18N qa
08:10 rangi i find the tempaltes much much easier to read
08:10 kf checking templates for translation issues
08:10 rangi because comments are comments
08:10 rangi and you can see the tags easily
08:10 kf fredericd: want me to send you my translated german opac file?
08:10 kf for testing?
08:11 fredericd kf: Isn't it on Pootle?
08:12 kf I was not brave enough for uploading it
08:12 kf if you say it's ok I can do that now
08:13 fredericd for OPAC it should work
08:13 kf I was not sure if rangi will make omre changes and didn't want to scare people by making it uncomplete again and again
08:13 fredericd I agree that for Staff it puts Pootle server on its knees
08:14 kf rangi: you think it's save to update from that file later?
08:14 kf or both of you
08:14 rangi i wont be making anymore before the release
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08:16 kf oh no
08:16 kf I have deleted the mail with the file it seems :(
08:20 kf and emptied the bin...
08:22 kf ok
08:22 kf will upload it tonight and people can get it from pootle if they want
08:23 kf hmpf.
08:30 kf rangi: the messaging table still seems to be broken
08:32 kf the header is missing from the last column, the layout is a little broken and it looks like it can be edited on the summary page - but it shouldn't have the checkboxes there, only when you open it for editing
08:33 kf and insted of Advance notice it says Unknown??
08:33 rangi opac or staff?
08:33 kf staff
08:33 * rangi hasnt been working on that, just pushed the patch from owen
08:34 kf in opac the table looks right, but there is still Unknown
08:35 rangi i doubt i am going to have time to do anything about it, but if you update the bug someone else might be able to
08:35 kf I will add screenshots
08:37 rangi hmmm
08:39 rangi in english eh?
08:39 rangi cos it showing ok for me
08:40 kf yes english
08:40 kf mah
08:40 kf you have Advance Notice there?
08:41 rangi yep
08:41 kf it must be english
08:41 rangi and the last colum is DIgest Only
08:41 kf I have deleted all other language folders
08:41 kf hm no
08:41 rangi Digests Only
08:41 kf the last colum should be Don't notify
08:41 rangi what do you see?
08:41 kf with checkboxes
08:42 kf I am in master and git pulled...
08:42 kf hm.
08:42 rangi Do not notify
08:42 rangi Days in advanceEmailDigests only?Do not notify
08:42 kf yes
08:43 rangi thats cut and paste from my page
08:43 kf looking for owens bug now
08:43 kf I only see that in opac
08:43 rangi i see that in both
08:43 kf in staff it's broken on the summary page
08:43 kf and I never get advance notice
08:44 rangi i bet its a scoping thing again
08:44 kf all I found was bug 5238
08:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5238 minor, P5, ---, cnighswonger, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Fatal error when saving printer profile if paper bin field is blank
08:44 kf ok, not that one
08:45 kf bug 5328
08:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5328 critical, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Patron Messaging Preferences Table Is Missing Checkboxes
08:45 rangi there was another one
08:45 rangi a 6 something one
08:45 kf events yes
08:45 kf I wonder if it's my database
08:46 kf it's quite old
08:46 kf and updated various times
08:46 kf hm
08:46 rangi b993d2d2317720370d64f7fcca2230f9164ebeef
08:46 rangi one from colin
08:46 AmitG heya rangi, kf
08:47 kf hm, commit message is about the tabs
08:47 kf I am talking about the preferences table
08:47 kf I notice that the message names in the database have changed
08:47 kf Item Due has changed to Item_due
08:48 kf aha
08:48 kf they all have underscored -but not Advance Notiv
08:48 kf Notice
08:48 kf but why?
08:48 rangi 6222
08:48 kf it's message name in message_attributes
08:48 kf bug 6222
08:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6222 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Patron messaging preferences tables does not appear when modifying patron
08:49 rangi ah yeah you cant have spaces in variable names
08:49 rangi was the one i was thinking of
08:49 rangi right the updatedatabase must be wrong
08:49 kf ok, but why was Advanced Notice not changed
08:49 rangi lemme check
08:49 kf aha
08:50 kf and the table breaks - that makes sense. it also does that when you miss to select the sample notices and transports during install
08:50 rangi yep
08:50 rangi $dbh->do("UPDATE message_attributes SET message_name = 'Advance_Notice' WHERE message_name='Advance Notice'");
08:50 Waylon hdl, you responsive?
08:50 rangi its fixed now
08:50 hdl ?
08:50 hdl Waylon: ?
08:51 rangi what is in the db kf, Advanced
08:51 Waylon woo. cool. hdl: Koha via nginx .... how do i do it?
08:51 rangi or Advance
08:51 kf Advance
08:51 kf I added the underscore - the name shows correctly now
08:51 rangi right, so it might have been broken then fixed
08:51 rangi ill check the git blame
08:51 kf but I have stil a broken table on the summary screen - on the edit screen it works
08:52 kf yep, all edit screens look nice, but the table on the details tab is broken
08:52 kf and it should look different
08:52 hdl Waylon: rangi might be more active for that... you can create an apache vhost and use nginx as a proxy
08:52 rangi yes
08:52 kf it should be greyed out
08:52 rangi Bug 6163 : Fixing typo in updatedatabase
08:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6163 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, patron messaging form screwy in multiple places
08:53 rangi ill look
08:53 Waylon hdl: yeah.. but rangi refered me on to you, as hes .. amazingly busy getting the 3.4 out. so.. nginx and fastcgi isn't enough? need apache too?
08:53 kf aha
08:53 rangi kf: is it ok in the opac?
08:53 kf yes
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08:53 kf opac has onle the edit screen
08:53 kf no preview
08:53 rangi ah right
08:54 kf so, why is my table broken. hm.
08:54 hdl Waylon: if you have fastcgi and plack install
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08:54 hdl Waylon: you may use[…]59d42f71dc3c6cc6e
08:54 rangi hdl: i referred him to you to reinforce that you cant just switch on fastcgi and have it work, there are persitent variables and circular references in the code that need to be fixed first
08:54 kf rangi: is it greyed out for you on the details tab?
08:54 Waylon hdl: nginx, fastcgi and plack, can replace apache?
08:55 hdl Waylon: yes... But use with caution
08:55 Waylon hmm...
08:55 hdl test before getting in production.
08:55 hdl With Opac, it may work
08:56 hdl it works in fact
08:56 kf rangi: I will make a bug, add my screenshots
08:56 hdl you have to add a use feature 'switch' in
08:56 kf and you can mark it works for me ;)
08:57 rangi kf: koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/inc​ludes/
08:57 rangi line 39
08:57 Waylon hdl: yup. we've just got  two new servers, unused so far.. because i need to migrate the koha... thinking.. good oppertunity to optimize everything.
08:57 rangi [% IF ( messaging_preference.messaging_form_inactive ) %]
08:58 rangi can you try changing that to [% IF ( messaging_form_inactive ) %]
08:58 hdl you can launch KOHA_CONF=.... PERL5LIB=.... starman --workers 12 --port 5000 /path/to/prod.psgi
08:58 rangi if that works, i think we have fixed it
08:58 Waylon hdl: starman = nginx?
08:58 hdl And use nginx as a proxy to port 5000 + servicing static files directly
08:58 hdl nope starman comes with plack
08:58 Waylon ahh
08:59 kf ok, bug is 6229
08:59 hdl (It is an http lightweight wrapper)
08:59 kf bug 6229
08:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6229 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Patron messaging table preview broken
08:59 Waylon ahh. what needs to be altered in opac-detail?
08:59 rangi kf did you see above?
08:59 kf yep
08:59 hdl add the line "use feature 'switch';"
09:00 kf trying to do that right now :)
09:00 rangi cool thanks
09:00 Waylon hdl: huh.. what does it do?
09:00 hdl If you have given...when in it
09:01 kf hm interesting
09:01 kf the pulldown for the days of the advacne notice got greyed out
09:01 kf but not the whole table
09:01 kf perhaps there is some more
09:01 rangi yeah
09:01 hdl Waylon: it informs the perl interpreter to decode the given when structure
09:02 Waylon given when?
09:02 rangi line 56
09:02 rangi needs the same thing
09:02 rangi 74, 92 etc
09:03 kf on it
09:03 rangi all the ones with messaging_preference.messaging_form_inactive
09:03 rangi cool thanks
09:03 hdl Waylon: forget it...
09:03 wahanui1 hdl: I forgot it
09:03 kf sure
09:03 kf :)
09:03 hdl I have that in my code.
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09:03 hdl It is not in the official code
09:03 Waylon ahh
09:04 Waylon just looked it up... given .. when.. is neat!
09:04 kf rangi: all greyed out now
09:04 rangi yay
09:04 kf but still the last column is slightly broken
09:06 kf [% UNLESS ( messaging_form_inactive ) %]<th>Do not notify</th>[% END %]
09:06 kf ?
09:07 rangi so it doesnt show that, except when editing
09:08 rangi line 126
09:08 rangi [% UNLESS ( messaging_preference.messaging_form_inactive ) %]
09:08 rangi needs to be fixed
09:08 rangi then that should fix the last column
09:09 Waylon ahh! nginx + fastcgi.. too much problems.. but nginx + plack, works well?
09:10 hdl Plack is working quite nice.
09:10 hdl
09:11 hdl architecture is quite specific and uses 3 different machines....
09:11 Waylon plack works for the intranet side too?
09:12 Waylon wow, thats fast
09:14 kf bummer I missed that ne
09:14 kf and now it works!
09:15 kf patch coming up
09:15 kf rangi++
09:16 Waylon okay.. gotta sleep.
09:16 Waylon Thankyou hdl and rangi!
09:16 Waylon rangi++
09:16 Waylon hdl++
09:16 Waylon nginx++
09:17 Waylon anything else i haven't added to....
09:17 Waylon anyway.. night all.
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09:42 kf rangi: sent
09:49 kf and all becaue I wanted to test a new notcie for one of my libraries
09:53 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6229] Patron messaging table preview broken <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6229>
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10:15 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6230] Search to hold links in result list <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6230>
11:07 kf hmpf
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11:11 Brooke_ kia ora!
11:13 kf kia ora Brooke
11:13 kf *sigs*
11:13 Brooke_ :)
11:13 kf bug6212
11:13 kf bug 6212
11:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6212 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, Small display problems in OPAC results
11:13 Brooke_ I hope that's missing an n and not an h
11:14 kf lol
11:14 kf no, an h
11:14 Brooke_ aww :(
11:14 Brooke_ vas is loss?
11:14 kf I think xslt doesn't work with system preferences any more
11:14 kf was ist los ;)
11:14 Brooke_ (I can always make a German happy ;)
11:15 Brooke_ (also works on Frenchies)
11:15 kf I am not quite sure yet
11:15 kf I started with: urls don't show up on result list
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11:16 Brooke_ harrumph
11:17 kf why do one always discover such things when it's too late??
11:17 Brooke_ it is never too late with regular releases :D
11:17 kf ok... too late for the big release
11:17 kf the 3.4 one
11:17 * Brooke_ thinks you need some sleep, because you've been at this too long.
11:18 kf ok
11:18 kf ok
11:18 kf definitely the system preferences
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11:30 kf hi jwagnre
11:30 jwagner Hi kf
11:33 * Brooke_ turns over boxen in search of the Classification Code for Cutter...
11:34 kf ?
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11:38 AmitG heya jwagner
11:43 jwagner Hi AmitG
11:44 Brooke_ hey nengard
11:44 nengard hiya
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12:01 kf rangi?
12:01 wahanui1 i think rangi is going to recommend that ppl using other languages wait for 3.4.1
12:01 Brooke_ oh that is so not good enough.
12:02 kf I think chris made him forget
12:03 kf ok, it's probably too late for him
12:03 Brooke_ ^
12:03 Brooke_ midnight + kids.
12:03 kf aha! today is not the 22nd
12:04 Brooke_ is in eNZed
12:04 kf yes
12:04 kf these holidays are disturbing -t oday feels like friday
12:04 Brooke_ odd, does here, too
12:06 kf I wonder if authorities linking works without systempreferences in xslt
12:07 Brooke_ authorities are magical beasts best looked at but not touched.
12:12 kf can someone test if linking an authority to a record works fort hem?
12:12 jwagner Question on the circ checkout page. I've had people complaining that with a barcode reader programmed to put a return after scanning, checkins accept that as if you'd clicked the submit button, but checkouts don't.  Is that deliberate?
12:13 kf it should work the same for both
12:13 kf never got complaints and our scanners are usually programmed like that
12:13 jwagner So when your staff are checking out, and they scan an item, it goes ahead & completes the transaction?
12:13 kf hm, ok, one 2 of our librares use rfid, but 4 don't
12:13 kf all on 3.2.2
12:14 kf yes
12:14 jwagner OK, I'll have to dig some more. Thanks.
12:14 kf and I am digging for the next template bug
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12:19 Brooke_ 0/
12:19 oleonard Hi all
12:29 kf oleonard++
12:29 oleonard kf++
12:30 kf oleonard: could you take a look at the xslt system preferences?
12:30 kf I am really stuck on that :(
12:30 oleonard What's up?
12:30 kf was trying to check if it also breaks authorities linking when I raninto the next bug
12:30 oleonard Bug 6231?
12:30 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6231 critical, P1, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, System preferences in XSLT view broken
12:30 kf ah sorry, system preferences in xslt
12:30 kf yes - that evil bug
12:31 oleonard Sure, I'll take a look
12:31 kf thx a lot
12:31 kf I wonder if the problem is that we got rid of the items?
12:31 kf in xml
12:31 kf I am not sure how the system preferences should be passed to the xslt
12:32 gmcharlt good day
12:32 * Brooke_ smiles at gmcharlt.
12:33 kf hi gmcharlt
12:33 kf or you might know!
12:33 kf bug 6231
12:33 kf I wondered if that could be related to the recent changes for items and xxml
12:34 * gmcharlt looks
12:35 gmcharlt no, I don't think it's related to 5579
12:35 * gmcharlt looks further
12:36 Brooke_ oi! stop using your x ray vision. Bugzilla doesn't like it.
12:37 rangi i dont think its template::toolkit related either, since it doesnt use that
12:37 rangi adn a warn in C4/
12:37 rangi shows them being set in the xml
12:37 kf rangi: shouldn't you sleep?
12:37 kf while I am runnign from one bug into another today? :)
12:38 kf kinda ruled templates out too - think the variable is not passed, but don't undersatnd how that works
12:38 kf not good enough
12:38 rangi [Fri Apr 22 00:39:43 2011] <items xmlns=""></items><sysprefs>
12:38 rangi [Fri Apr 22 00:39:43 2011] <syspref name="hidelostitems">0</syspref>
12:38 rangi [Fri Apr 22 00:39:43 2011] <syspref name="OPACURLOpenInNewWindow">0</syspref>
12:39 gmcharlt yep
12:39 kf ?
12:39 oleonard ?
12:39 rangi afaict nothing has changed
12:39 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6232] Can't link authorities to bibliographic record <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6232>
12:40 hdl mmmm... strange.
12:43 kf I was tempted to mark that blocker
12:43 kf I am not sure if it will break authorities too (the an number search)
12:44 kf was going to check that when I found my next bug
12:44 rangi its def not a blocker
12:45 rangi there is no data loss
12:45 kf I know...
12:45 rangi but its weird, as nothing has changed that i can tell
12:45 kf can I say for me it feels like one?
12:45 kf but you can reproduce?
12:46 rangi i cant tell, i can see all the sysprefs being set in the xml
12:46 kf I found the problem with online resources on my latpop and on my work computer
12:46 rangi can others reproduce?
12:47 kf noone was around until oleonard showed up and shortly after that it got crowded
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12:47 kf rangi: where do you see them?
12:49 kf I can see nothing in my marcxml table
12:49 kf column
12:49 gmcharlt kf: the syspref values are injected into the XML when the page is rendered
12:49 rangi i put a warn in C4/
12:50 kf gmcharlt: thx
12:50 kf it's easy to check: look at a record with an url and change the urlinnewwindow thing
12:50 kf or check if the link shows up in the result list
12:50 kf to reproduce I mean
12:51 rangi kf do you know when it last worked?
12:52 kf I think jareds options were probably the last to get in
12:52 kf after UseControlNumber
12:52 kf the things abut usetracings
12:52 kf I suppose it worked for the signoffer
12:52 kf but otherwise no clue
12:53 gmcharlt rangi: 5884fb100071e973daf671a4ada6b32724376768 broke it
12:53 rangi ta gmcharlt
12:53 gmcharlt the syspref names as referred to in the XSLT are case-sensitive, that patch, for whatever reason, changed the case in a couple cases
12:54 kf oh no, and I missed it
12:54 * kf grumbles
12:54 rangi ahhh
12:54 rangi phew
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12:54 kf phew but still
12:54 kf I was looking at those files like forever and didn#t see it :(
12:54 rangi case ones are hard to spot
12:55 gmcharlt kf: I lend you my eyes, next time you'll lend me yours ;)
12:55 rangi right, back to sleep i go, ill push the fixed xslt patch in the morning :)
12:55 gmcharlt rangi: sleep well
12:56 kf sleep well rangi
12:56 kf and don't coe back again before morning!
12:56 gmcharlt rangi: are you writing a patch?  If not, I'll do it
12:56 kf I can do
12:56 gmcharlt ok
12:56 kf let me check if I see it this time
12:57 kf hm
12:57 kf I did a git show with the commit id
12:58 kf is there a better way? lots of css stuff?
12:59 gmcharlt kf: yeah, that looks like a squashed patch, you have to page down til you get to the bit that changes the xslt
12:59 gmcharlt you can also search for that commit hash
13:00 kf I treid but got no result
13:00 kf with commit and the full commit hash?
13:02 gmcharlt hmm, looks like not
13:02 gmcharlt try this
13:02 gmcharlt[…]4ada6b32724376768
13:03 kf 4133 files changed!
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13:03 * Brooke_ waves to jcamins.
13:03 kf hi jcamins
13:04 kf gmcharlt: I will write a patch
13:04 oleonard Is there a wizzyrea awake yet?
13:04 gmcharlt kf++
13:05 gmcharlt kf: MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl was mangeld as well
13:05 gmcharlt as was MARC21slim2intranetDetail.xsl
13:06 kf yes, I will check all 3 files
13:07 kf UNIMARC too?
13:08 gmcharlt no, doesn't look like it
13:10 kf ok
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13:19 * jcamins_away isn't here, but he's curious- what was wrong with the XSLTs?
13:19 jwagner Avaunt, spirit from the vasty deep!
13:22 gmcharlt jcamins_away: overzealous automatic script that did s/URL/url/ in a couple places
13:24 jcamins_away gmcharlt: ah.
13:24 * jcamins_away is glad he didn't do it.
13:27 Brooke_ hmph
13:27 Brooke_ community site has gone all wonky on meh
13:28 Brooke_ thought it was my connection but the other interwebs are otay
13:28 oleonard Ouch. Error establishing a database connection
13:28 Brooke_ the wiki does not seem to be busted
13:29 Brooke_ cause it let me save what I was editing
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13:30 Brooke_ 0/
13:31 kf hi sekjal
13:31 sekjal hi, kf
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13:37 jcamins_away sekjal: note that the first time you create a package it takes a really long time because it has to download all the dependencies.
13:38 sekjal jcamins_away:  good to know, thank you
13:38 * jcamins_away returns you to your regularly scheduled programming
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13:46 wizzyrea_away :/ ec2 having troubles, which is where our website is :(
13:46 sekjal oh noes!
13:46 wizzyrea_away yep
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13:47 wizzyrea_away pretty cool
13:49 kf gmcharlt: patch sent
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13:53 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6231] System preferences in XSLT view broken <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6231>
13:53 kf oh, foudn new bug
13:54 oleonard kf, I'm seeing something weird when testing your patch for Bug 6229
13:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6229 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Patron messaging table preview broken
13:55 oleonard Oh wait, maybe not?
13:55 * oleonard checks again
13:55 kf tell me waht you see :)
13:56 kf i am in full bug fixing mode today
13:57 oleonard I guess it was a fluke. I could see the messaging table for every account but my own.
13:57 oleonard But now I see it just fine.
14:00 oleonard wizzyrea_away: I saw your link in the log
14:00 oleonard I know what's going on there. Thought it was fixed.
14:00 wizzyrea_away it may be, that was the 5579 branch
14:00 wizzyrea_away i realized after I posted it
14:02 oleonard Anyway, it stems from the record being part of a series. Koha thinks (thought?) series == serial, and wants (wanted?) to show serial info under 'publication details'
14:02 wizzyrea_away ah
14:03 kf yes, that was fixed
14:03 kf maybe reappeared?
14:05 kf uhoh
14:05 kf oleonard: do you have a second?
14:05 oleonard Yes
14:05 kf ok, looking at bug 6234
14:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6234 normal, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Links on hold ratios report broken
14:06 kf that uses an include
14:06 kf
14:07 kf I think to fix it I need to add a scope this time - but will break the include
14:07 kf does the include even make sense now with the scoping?
14:07 kf hope my explanation makes any sense...
14:08 oleonard Yes it does
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14:10 oleonard kf, I don't know what to say about that one.
14:10 oleonard I'm tempted to wait for chris to wake up and ask him if there is some kind of wizardry he can suggest
14:12 kf hm ok
14:12 kf can I reassign this one to you?
14:12 kf or make it new / add you back
14:12 oleonard I'd say make it new for now
14:13 kf ok
14:13 kf I will leave a comment
14:16 kf I wonder how often this included is used
14:17 kf often
14:17 kf
14:21 oleonard Here's my guess:
14:21 oleonard [% INCLUDE '' biblionumber= reserveloo.biblionumber %]
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14:21 oleonard We modify the include in each of those instances to pass the biblionumber variable to the include
14:23 kf hm ok
14:23 kf how must the include look like ?
14:23 kf ah
14:23 kf not change it?
14:23 kf let me test
14:24 oleonard I wonder why catalog/ is working?
14:24 oleonard Oh, because someone already fixed it
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14:24 oleonard <p>[% SEARCH_RESULT.result_number %].
14:24 oleonard [% biblionumber = SEARCH_RESULT.biblionumber %]
14:24 oleonard [% INCLUDE '' %]
14:25 oleonard kf: I'd be happy to work on this if you'd like
14:25 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6235] "Saved" message in sysprefs never gets hidden on IE8 <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6235>
14:26 kf oleonard: it's ok
14:26 kf and it works :)
14:26 kf i will do this one and go home after it
14:28 kf I wonder why the ratio is a link on that page
14:29 kf the title yes - and it works now after the change
14:29 kf but why the ratio?
14:30 oleonard Hm, that's new to me
14:31 oleonard Clicking the hold ratio number populates the "refine results" form with that number.
14:31 kf it's a <p class="ratiolimit">
14:32 kf when I kill that, the link is gone
14:32 kf doesn't seem to break things
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14:38 kf oleonard: is patron search broken again?
14:38 jcamins_away So, it looks like the Receive button's broken with T::T.
14:39 kf file a bug
14:39 kf ;)
14:39 jcamins_away I am.
14:39 kf jcamins: can you check patron search?
14:39 kf noramlly you would get all by sending an empty search
14:39 jcamins_away One moment. I don't have a VM running.
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14:42 jcamins_away kf: it does seem that an empty search doesn't return any results.
14:44 kf hm that's quite a big change in behaviour
14:44 kf :(
14:45 * oleonard wasn't aware that you used to be able to search all that way
14:45 kf yep you werw
14:45 jcamins_away kf: the patron searching is entirely broken.
14:45 kf I do that all the time
14:45 jcamins_away See...
14:45 kf jcamins: was that supposed to make me feel better?
14:45 gmcharlt and now point to the download site until EC2 is fixed
14:45 jcamins_away bug 6127.
14:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6127 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Setting library on patron search brings back all patrons regardless of search
14:45 kf oleonard: can you look at something for me? the dashed border around the due date dates on /circ/
14:45 jcamins_away kf: probably not.
14:46 kf is that by intention?
14:46 kf it looks funny
14:46 oleonard kf: you could always use '%' to search all
14:46 jcamins_away oleonard: cool! I didn't know that.
14:46 kf me neither
14:46 oleonard Bug 1707
14:46 kf I use empty searches a lot
14:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1707 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, REOPENED, Search for patron '%' returns all results
14:47 kf hm
14:48 kf dashed borders?
14:49 oleonard Added by Bug 6049
14:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6049 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, christophe.croullebois, NEW, Add a filter by date in
14:49 oleonard I agree it looks weird.
14:49 oleonard hdl: Do you know what the intention was?
14:49 kf hm
14:49 kf a guess, to show that both belong to Date due
14:50 hdl oleonard: just to show an inner box and related informations
14:51 oleonard To indicate that the two fields are grouped?
14:51 hdl oleonard: without adding some more descriptions
14:51 hdl oleonard: yes
14:51 jcamins_away @later tell nengard If you could copy the error we saw into bug 6236, I'd appreciate it. I can't duplicate on my VM.
14:51 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
14:51 hdl oleonard: was in 3.0 as such
14:52 kf searching for tt bugs makes us more critical
14:52 hdl us ? united states ?
14:53 oleonard It makes all of us scrutinize everything for changes
14:54 kf hmpf
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14:54 kf oleonard: i will leave the dashed line for now
14:54 kf new queston: I put an item into transfer to check the transferstoreceive for my master bug
14:54 hdl ah... More sensible to user interface.
14:55 kf now it shows up twice
14:55 kf can someone reproduce this?
14:58 oleonard kf: Did you use to set the transfer?
14:59 kf yes
14:59 kf seemed easier than doing it with a hold
14:59 jcamins_away wizzyrea_away: why did you reindex NExpress?
15:00 oleonard kf: It shows up twice on transferstoreceive?
15:00 kf yes
15:00 kf I I think I know the reason perhaps: I accidently picked an item with a hold on it
15:00 oleonard I'm not seeing that
15:01 kf can' reproduce with other items
15:04 kf seems I am going crazy here
15:04 kf I was trying to get a book into my holds shelf
15:04 kf available for pickup
15:04 kf but I can return the book as often as I want, I get no slip
15:04 wizzyrea I didn't reindex nexpress, I reindexed my test server ;)
15:04 wizzyrea which is an old copy of nexpress
15:05 jcamins_away wizzyrea: ah. Yeah, it takes a while.
15:05 wizzyrea jcamins_away: does bywater have any libraries in the millions?
15:06 wizzyrea if you do, how long does an index take?
15:06 jcamins_away wizzyrea: no we do not.
15:06 jcamins_away But I'm guessing a *long* time.
15:06 kf can someone please tell me it works?
15:07 kf place hold on available book - check in book
15:07 gmcharlt wizzyrea: speaking of numbers, how long did  itself take?
15:07 jcamins_away wizzyrea: actually wait. We might.
15:07 wizzyrea well, to be honest I fell asleep, but it had been at least 2 hours when I went to sleep
15:07 wizzyrea and it was done when I awoke the next morning
15:08 wizzyrea so somewhere between 2 and 8 hours
15:08 jcamins_away No, no 1m+ systems.
15:08 oleonard wizzyrea's ready to publish a scientific paper with precision like that ;)
15:09 gmcharlt you could win the pole vault record with error bars that high!
15:09 gmcharlt ;)
15:09 wizzyrea I"m just being honest
15:09 wizzyrea >.>
15:09 wizzyrea you know what you should add to the script
15:09 wizzyrea an echo of the datetime when it starts
15:09 wizzyrea and same when it finishes
15:10 wizzyrea then you'd know
15:10 wizzyrea ;)
15:10 jcamins_away Or, even better, a statistical summary at the end.
15:10 gmcharlt touche
15:10 gmcharlt wizzyrea++
15:10 wizzyrea jcamins_away++
15:10 wizzyrea none of this piddly manual writing things down nonsense
15:10 wizzyrea only pure digital precision ;)
15:11 wizzyrea such as it is
15:11 wizzyrea though, with this aws thing today, i'm not feeling so kindly towards computers.
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15:12 hdl wizzyrea time yourcommand gives you the information
15:12 hdl wizzyrea "time yourcommand" i mean
15:14 jcamins_away hdl: yeah, but do you remember to do that every time you run a script?
15:14 * wizzyrea doesn't
15:14 * jcamins_away doesn't either
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15:16 hdl no But I donot want to know how much time a command take every time I launch a command... ;)
15:17 jcamins_away nengard: if you could copy the error message into that bug, it would be helpful, I think.
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15:18 nengard done
15:18 kf bug 6238
15:18 jcamins_away Thanks.
15:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6238 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Checkboxes in staff's list view are missing
15:18 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6237] Recent changes leave compile time warnings in <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6237>
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15:27 kf oleonard: patch sent
15:27 kf I think there are more bugs hiding, but I am the last person here at work - time to leave
15:27 kf bye all :)
15:28 oleonard Thanks kf I'll test
15:28 kf oleonard+
15:28 kf oleonard++ even :)
15:28 kf will be back later for more bug hunting
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15:28 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6234] Links on hold ratios report broken <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6234>
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15:47 Oak \o
15:47 oleonard Hi Oak
15:48 Oak Hello oleonard :)
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16:09 Brooke_ kia ora
16:09 Brooke_ @later tell kf big bang theory is funny as
16:09 huginn Brooke_: The operation succeeded.
16:10 oleonard funny as?
16:10 Brooke_ you heard me :P
16:11 wizzyrea I think that's a british/kiwi-ism
16:11 Brooke_ it ain't a britism
16:11 wizzyrea kiwi-ism then :)
16:13 * oleonard tried Big Bang Theory and didn't care for it
16:16 Brooke_ did you catch more than one episode? Cause it's kind of like dexter so far
16:16 Brooke_ the first one was not terribly bril
16:16 Brooke_ but a few in I was dyin'
16:17 oleonard I dunno, half a dozen or so
16:17 Brooke_ then you have done your duty, young man :P
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16:29 cait hi Brooke_
16:30 * druthb waves to cait, and grins like a fool.
16:30 cait hi druthb
16:35 nengard I'm getting a 404 on the doc page;
16:35 nengard anyone else?
16:35 wizzyrea nengard
16:35 wizzyrea ec2 is down
16:35 wizzyrea which is where the website is
16:35 nengard i just read about that being down
16:35 wizzyrea so just wait
16:35 nengard didn't know we were there
16:36 nengard thanks for letting meknow
16:36 nengard me know
16:36 wizzyrea sure. It's why redirects to atm
16:36 wizzyrea if you had tried the home page you'd have seen ;)
16:38 nengard yes i did
16:38 nengard was very confused
16:38 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6168] Can't delete holds from circulation page <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6168>
16:38 nengard its been down a while ... can't amazon get their act together?
16:38 wizzyrea it's a big deal, apparently
16:38 wizzyrea one of those cascading failure deals
16:39 wizzyrea you should see the AWS forums
16:39 gmcharlt the hashtag #ec2 is all a-twitter
16:39 * gmcharlt apologize profusely for that pun
16:39 wizzyrea there are techs all over totally FREAKING OUT
16:39 wizzyrea < included
16:39 wizzyrea hehe
16:39 wizzyrea puns are simultaneously the best and worst form of humor.
16:41 * oleonard suspects it happened when the millionth lolcat was posted to Reddit
16:41 nengard hehe
16:42 Brooke_ oh no you di'int blame lolcats for an outage :P
16:43 Brooke_ and the site is up, so it can't be their fault :P
16:43 wizzyrea heh, but it was down earlier
16:43 wizzyrea they probably got their EBS stuff out before it was impossible to do it
16:44 Brooke_ dez catz were sleepin
16:44 wizzyrea and brought it back up in another zone
16:44 oleonard The 500th business cat maybe?
16:45 * oleonard wanders off on a business cat tangent
16:46 Brooke_ I edited the wiki more than mah blog last release cycle.
16:46 Brooke_ Truf.
16:48 nengard hmmm hootsuite down too ... seriously do all these social sites use the same service? monopoly is bad
16:49 Brooke_ the cloud, it's not what's for dinner.
16:49 * oleonard wonders if Liblime still hosts there
16:50 wizzyrea oleonard: they do
16:51 oleonard Offline circ for them I guess.
16:51 wizzyrea their bit of aws was down earlier, but seems to be back now
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16:54 Brooke_ chow
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17:00 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6238] Checkboxes in staff's list view are missing <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6238>
17:11 nengard_lunch did anyone report the bug with lists in the staff client where if you click the titles they don't go anywhere?
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17:13 sekjal nengard: not sure... I didn't
17:13 nengard i'll do it - sorry if it's a dup
17:16 cait nengard: is fixed by a patch I will resubmit
17:16 cait oleonard made some comments I have to build in
17:16 nengard awesome!!
17:16 nengard and I'll sign off on it :) hehe
17:17 nengard i feel like maybe we needed to test all this TT stuff sooner .. I know it was in it's own branch, but I never did anything with it :(
17:18 library_systems_guy speaking of TT stuff, how is everybody liking using it?
17:19 cait at the moment i think we are only fixing it, not using
17:19 cait or it feels like that
17:20 cait I think the nice things will come later
17:20 library_systems_guy I know when i used it with catalyst I really liked it
17:20 cait nengard: yes, more testing before a big release like this is needed :(
17:21 library_systems_guy nengard: are you thinking of pushing back the release?
17:21 cait I think that will not happen
17:21 cait but rangi decides
17:22 oleonard The trouble with testing the TT branch was so much was broken, it was hard to get down to the small details
17:22 oleonard I think we're still a ways from finding all the problems.
17:22 cait chris hall fixed a lot of things I reported
17:23 cait we all have a lot to do - but I think we need to find a way to do more systematic testing
17:23 oleonard Oh yeah I'm not saying things weren't getting fixed
17:23 cait oleonard: going to refactor the patch - thx for the comments
17:23 oleonard Thanks for your work on it
17:23 cait yep
17:23 cait np
17:23 library_systems_guy right now is testing just somebody seeing if it works?
17:24 library_systems_guy or are there unit test available?
17:24 cait no, we have unit tests too
17:24 cait but they don't catch template problems
17:25 library_systems_guy can you do a link based parser and check the page header or are you looking for more than just if the page is there
17:25 nengard library_systems_guy, I know you think I'm awesome ... but I'm not where near as awesome as rangi and he will get the releae out on time!! :)
17:26 nengard we're looking for more than the page being there
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17:26 nengard we're looking to make sure the page looks right and does what it's supposed to do
17:26 library_systems_guy heh
17:26 library_systems_guy guess that does make it challenging to test
17:26 cait library_systems_guy the little details
17:27 nengard checkboxes and mis aligned columns
17:27 cait slightly broken tables
17:27 library_systems_guy I think i've learned a lot about how much librarians pay attention to the little details since ive started working in a library
17:27 library_systems_guy can you even develop testing modules for things like that
17:28 library_systems_guy the reason I'm curious is I'm taking Software Development and this is stuff we talk about in class all the time
17:28 cait perhaps selenium
17:28 cait but I think it's quite hard to do automatic testing on this things
17:32 jcamins_away person_who_did_the_fixed_fields_editor++
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17:40 rhcl Does ISO 2011 apply to Koha (or support companies) at all? "Conformity assessment -- Requirements for bodies providing audit and certification of management systems "
17:42 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6242] Javscript errors in <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6242> / [Bug 6234] Links on hold ratios report broken <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6234>
17:48 moodaepo This needs to be updated to point to the koha-community blog >
17:48 cait is there something that needs work right now?
17:48 cait or just search for new bugs?
17:48 * moodaepo should probably just email
17:48 gmcharlt rhcl: do you mean ISO 17021:2011 ?
17:49 jcamins_away cait: you could sign off on the two follow-up patches to bug 5683.
17:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5683 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, REOPENED, can corrupt records
17:50 nengard library_systems_guy, my hubby does web qa and he has tests he runs, but he has to then visit all the pages and click all the links and try all the forms ... so there is no way (except a human) to test things thoroughly
17:50 gmcharlt rhcl: if so, doesn't seem relevant except to bodies that are themselves certification agencies
17:50 cait jcamins: really never touched that script
17:52 jcamins_away Wise.
17:53 jcamins_away It caused data corruption.
17:53 rhcl gmcharlt: yes, ack response
17:54 jcamins_away That's why we now have a test to check the behavior.
17:55 jcamins_away Follow-up patch 2.
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18:16 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6235] "Saved" message in sysprefs never gets hidden on IE8 <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6235>
18:28 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6239] Merging records broken <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6239>
18:36 rangi morning
18:36 cait hi rangi
18:36 rangi cait: just more testing
18:36 cait hm?
18:36 oleonard Hi rangi, you can't have gotten enough sleep
18:36 rangi i can sleep tomorrow
18:37 * cait is confused
18:37 rangi 05:50 < cait> is there something that needs work right now?
18:37 rangi 05:50 < cait> or just search for new bugs?
18:37 cait oh
18:37 cait ok
18:38 library_systems_guy exit
18:38 rangi theres prolly a lot of these little issues, the more we can get found and fixed the better
18:38 library_systems_guy oops wrong window :-/
18:38 rangi im aiming to build the tarball at 8pm, which is in 14 hours
18:38 rangi and release it at 10pm
18:39 rangi any of these little patches, im not waiting on signoff for either, will just test them here and push
18:39 rangi and I will note in the release announcement that due to the template::toolkit change we expect there will be a few more unfound gotchas
18:39 cait ok
18:40 cait 14 hours - wow
18:40 cait could be a long night :P
18:40 rangi 13.20 again :)
18:40 cait 13:20?
18:40 rangi how many hours actually
18:41 wizzyrea anybody got a bot for the countdown :P
18:42 cait I had problems with holds -wizzyrea have you worked on those perhaps?
18:42 cait or tested
18:42 wizzyrea what specifically?
18:42 wizzyrea i certainly *can* go over them again
18:43 cait on my work computer I put a hold on a on shelf item at the same branch and check-in didn't bring up anything
18:43 oleonard Wow, export/import frameworks? I didn't see that before
18:43 cait it's probably my setup - but would be happy to hear it works for you
18:43 rangi yeah its very cool
18:43 cait and I had problems ovrriding a hold
18:43 cait you know, with the override syspref activated, I got the confirmation window but couldn't place it
18:45 wizzyrea k ii'll check that
18:45 cait thx a lot
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18:47 wizzyrea rangi, master has 5579 in it now, correct?
18:47 cait oleonard: good catch!
18:47 cait the fast add thing :)
18:48 oleonard I was looking for more instances of the same bug that cased the problem with the merge records page
18:48 * chris_n cheers rangi on
18:48 oleonard I wouldn't have noticed that the link was missing just by looking at it
18:49 rangi man im glad git.k-c isnt in amazon
18:49 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6243] Link to fast cataloging missing from circulation home page <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6243>
18:49 rangi wizzyrea: yes it is
18:49 wizzyrea ty
18:49 wizzyrea wanted to make sure I didn't have to switch DB"s and reindex
18:49 wizzyrea not time for that, really
18:49 * oleonard has been learning from rangi's patches
18:50 wizzyrea cait, I got a box
18:50 wizzyrea for holds
18:50 cait yay
18:50 wizzyrea on an on-shelf item
18:50 cait wonder what's wrong with my settings
18:50 cait but feeling better about that now!
18:50 wizzyrea AllowOnShelfHolds on?
18:50 cait yep
18:50 wizzyrea or off?
18:50 cait on
18:50 wizzyrea hm
18:51 cait it's my computer at work - so I think we can't really track it down
18:51 cait the other thing was on this computer - the override holds
18:51 cait the button wouldn't work
18:51 cait I am resetting my database here to get back to a clean state right now
18:51 wizzyrea what are you trying to override?
18:51 cait hm, I think it was a ref item
18:51 wizzyrea check out a book over a hold
18:51 wizzyrea ?
18:51 cait no place a hold on a item not for loan
18:52 cait something like htat
18:52 wizzyrea hmm ok
18:52 cait where you get the yellow warnings in the holds screen
18:52 wizzyrea k
18:52 wizzyrea i'll check
18:52 cait and it asks normally not ... you really want to?
18:53 wizzyrea specific item hold?
18:53 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6229: Message preferences on patron details tab broken <[…]0175557e753bc78b1>
18:53 cait hm yes
18:53 wizzyrea k
18:53 wizzyrea well, it won't even let me pick that
18:53 wizzyrea let me check my settings
18:53 cait search for override
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18:53 cait there is one for holds
18:53 wizzyrea k
18:54 wizzyrea got it
18:54 wizzyrea
18:54 wizzyrea seems odd it'd say "undefined"
18:54 wizzyrea but it did let me do it
18:55 wizzyrea
18:55 wizzyrea
18:55 wizzyrea sorry 2nd
18:55 wizzyrea paste happy
18:58 cait ad after ok the hold was placed?
18:58 cait because it didn't do it forme
18:58 cait I came back to the holds screen
18:59 cait to the items list with no hold placed
18:59 jenkins_koha Starting build 215 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:59 cait ah ok... 2nd screen
18:59 cait hm
19:02 wizzyrea seems odd that you'd be having trouble
19:03 cait no idea what happened
19:03 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6239, Merging records broken <[…]f624e62faf64c9919> / Fix for bug 6243 - Link to fast cataloging missing from circulation home page <[…]f6211aabdba9a8cad> / Bug 6230: Search to hold links on titles in result list were missing <http://git.koha-comm
19:05 cait but happy it's me and not a bug :)
19:07 wizzyrea well...
19:07 wizzyrea me too
19:07 wizzyrea but
19:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit32: Revert "3.0.x: ce353e7 bug #3674 allow users creation with disabled password" <[…]75e7e972053d50a0c>
19:14 jenkins_koha Starting build 22 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6234: Fixing missing biblionumber for links using <[…]22010e57a995ae590>
19:14 wizzyrea ihow do you have your system set up?
19:14 * wizzyrea really wishes for a quick display of sysprefs
19:14 wizzyrea the biggies like
19:14 wizzyrea INDY branches IS ON
19:14 cait ind branches off i think
19:15 cait the database is gone now :(
19:15 wizzyrea ah sok
19:15 wizzyrea so
19:15 wizzyrea practicaly question
19:15 wizzyrea practical*
19:15 wizzyrea how do you guys manage your test DB's?
19:15 wizzyrea fresh one for every load?
19:15 wizzyrea every update you're testing?
19:16 cait hm for database updates I dump my database before testing
19:16 cait and restore after testing
19:16 wizzyrea hm interesting
19:16 wizzyrea I use a pretty big DB for my test server
19:16 cait rangi showed me how to do that at kohacon :)
19:16 cait ah, no I have a pretty empty one
19:16 wizzyrea i'm still kicking myself for missing that.
19:17 cait hm?
19:17 wizzyrea I missed the git class :(
19:17 cait oh
19:17 cait where were you?
19:19 * cait sends wizzyrea some cookies
19:19 oleonard She was probably with her family or some nonsense like that ;)
19:19 wizzyrea working on something else
19:20 wizzyrea ha, no, actually
19:20 chris_n for those who like their privacy:
19:20 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6244] Javascript error on circulation home page <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6244>
19:21 wizzyrea chris_n: thanks, that's interesting
19:22 chris_n yeah, you just have to keep clicking... its amazing how many tracking cookies one attracts in a very short period
19:24 wizzyrea oy
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19:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6232: Impossible to link authorities to bibliographic records <[…]432daf1effa5d17f1> / Bug 6231: some system preferences in XSLT broken <[…]abaae5f499f889659> / Fix for Bug 6238 - Checkboxes in staff's list view are missing <
19:25 wizzyrea i had like 40something
19:25 wizzyrea ashamed.
19:29 * chris_n had >47 :-D
19:30 wizzyrea hmm
19:31 * oleonard has Firefox configured to clear most cookies when Firefox closes
19:31 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6240] edit subscription loses bib link <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6240>
19:34 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6236 : When checking for expiry don't try to process 0 dates <[…]19ab886b7702d075c> / Bug 6237: remove compile time warning <[…]f20b152b186829abf> / Bug 6237: Remove redeclarations of global vars in same scope <
19:35 nengard wow, i did good ... I had 13
19:36 wizzyrea I think you can never get below 13
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19:39 nengard well it is a new computer after all :) hehe
19:40 oleonard Does the message_queue table not actually store email addresses?
19:40 nengard um ... isn't that in the borrowers table?
19:41 oleonard There are columns in the message_queue table for "to_address" and "from_address," but in my test system they're empty
19:41 rangi oleonard: nope, they get pulled out when the mail is sent
19:41 rangi confused me to
19:41 oleonard Okay, I figured that might be the case
19:42 cait some end up there, but only very few
19:42 cait not sure which (speaking about email addresses)
19:42 rangi i think hold notices, and checkin/checkouts do
19:42 rangi overdues dont
19:42 rangi its something like that
19:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6240 : pass a hash to template not a scalar <[…]12ba422621909b953> / Follow-up fix for Bug 6168, Can't delete holds from circulation page <[…]47d7161ce0b501453>
19:45 cait hm
19:45 cait when I oder from z39.50 and try to save i get an error about lost basket number
19:47 rangi sounds like a scope thing again
19:48 cait yup
19:48 cait think I found it - I searched on the neworderempty but i think its the result list
19:48 cait :)
19:48 rangi cool
19:50 SteveJ What is the IE browser compatability for the latest stable? 7+?
19:50 rangi for the opac, or the staff side?
19:50 SteveJ Didn't know there was a difference, so lets say both
19:51 rangi well we strive to make the opac work in everything
19:52 SteveJ I found out that people are running everything from 6-8 at my office, and want to make sure that would not cause problems (both on the staff and opac sides).
19:52 rangi im less motivated to care about supporting old ie in the staff side, but i think 7+ for that
19:52 rangi i wouldnt ever run 6 for anything anywhere ever
19:52 rangi even microsoft tell you not to
19:52 rangi its pretty much guaranteed to have some javascript issues somewhere on the staff side
19:52 wizzyrea I would probably agree with rangi: you need to work towards eliminating 6
19:53 wizzyrea at the very least :)
19:53 SteveJ Oh I know it is an issue, but it is not something I have any control over:)
19:53 * oleonard agrees as well. And why not get rid of 7 too?
19:53 wizzyrea 7 was a dog :P
19:53 SteveJ I would suggest getting rid of IE altogether, heh
19:53 nengard perfect
19:53 rangi SteveJ: there will be issues with 6 and staff
19:53 wizzyrea :) well that would be ideal
19:53 gmcharlt at least the official desupport of IE6 means that entities that care about such things *have* to do something
19:53 gmcharlt at least, considering the way such policies run
19:54 rangi yep
19:56 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6244, Javascript error on circulation home page <[…]8dd79b50ebb4281ab>
19:57 SteveJ Is anyone planning a get together at SLA in June? I searched the official schedule but did not see anything.
19:59 rangi nengard will be there im sure
20:01 nengard I'll be presenting
20:01 nengard not attending ... but i can be around specific times
20:04 rangi nengard: bug 6241, just the staff side or the opac too?
20:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6241 critical, P5, ---, chris, NEW, links on lists missing bib number
20:04 nengard just the staff
20:04 nengard i think
20:04 nengard hang on
20:04 nengard cait fixed it though
20:04 nengard one of her patches did the trick
20:05 cait yep
20:05 nengard yeah - just tested and it works in staff and opac
20:05 cait the include file caused lots of problems
20:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #215: SUCCESS in 1 h 6 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/215/
20:05 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6229: Message preferences on patron details tab broken
20:05 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6230: Search to hold links on titles in result list were missing
20:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6229 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Patron messaging table preview broken
20:05 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Fix for bug 6243 - Link to fast cataloging missing from circulation home page
20:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6230 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Search to hold links in result list
20:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6243 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Link to fast cataloging missing from circulation home page
20:06 jenkins_koha Starting build 216 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:06 cait sending one for acq now
20:07 cait bug 6245
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20:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6245 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Can't oder from Z39.50 in acquisitions
20:07 gamambel hi
20:07 wahanui what's up, gamambel
20:07 gamambel nice team you got here!
20:08 gamambel i'm looking for an OPAC i can use for communities, and things can be returned to any of the community members
20:08 gamambel and i can use the website to locate the object
20:08 rangi nengard: so i can mark that bug resolved fixed?
20:08 wizzyrea Koha can do that
20:08 nengard yes
20:08 rangi thank
20:08 rangi s
20:09 gamambel wizzyrea: cool that's what i wanted to hear
20:09 gamambel anything specific i should look into?
20:09 gamambel i want communities to be able to register and create their own "library-of-trust"
20:09 gamambel and to have "overlapping" communities
20:09 rangi that would need development work
20:10 gamambel like, if i am part of 3 communities, my stuff can be returned to any of the three communitiesw
20:10 gamambel yeah i know
20:10 wizzyrea yea, that would require work
20:10 gamambel i'm looking for the best suitable base system to start with
20:10 wizzyrea that would be like the sysgroups
20:10 rangi yeah, that concept doesnt really exist, you can only belong to one 'branch' currently
20:10 wizzyrea thing we thought we'd get back a few years ago
20:10 gamambel but koha would be a good base?
20:11 gmcharlt gamambel: would these communities fall into a hierarchy?
20:11 gamambel no
20:11 gamambel more like "friends"
20:11 gamambel like a facebook for books
20:11 wizzyrea yea, I think so, it definitely does your base requirements of letting you circulate items and return them at branches other than their homes
20:11 wizzyrea you mean the libraries are "friends"
20:11 gamambel yes
20:12 wizzyrea not individual items
20:12 gmcharlt gamambel: it would be fairly radical, but yes, you could build what you want into Koha
20:12 gamambel i mean, everyone is a library, right?
20:12 gamambel in some sense we all have items
20:12 gamambel ;)
20:12 wizzyrea have you looked into librarything at all?
20:12 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6245] Can't oder from Z39.50 in acquisitions <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6245>
20:12 gmcharlt or goodreads?
20:13 gamambel yeah i know librarything and goodreads
20:13 gamambel i am a member at librarything
20:13 gamambel but it does not have the "i can return the item to any of his friends", does it?
20:13 gamambel and a searchable OPAC for my friends
20:13 rangi judging by his hostmask, librarythings privacy policy is probably not up to scratch for this sort of thing :)
20:13 gamambel hehe right that too
20:13 gamambel ideally it would be a distributed system like statusNet
20:13 gamambel but i think that is too complicated
20:14 gmcharlt gamambel: in this system, how much do you care if a book doesn't get returned at all?
20:14 gamambel basically i don't as long as it is in some catalog
20:14 gamambel like bookcrossing in some sort, but more friend-to-friend
20:14 gamambel i don't want the book to circulate outside of the circle too much, but as long as it returns to the circle of my friends some time i am fine
20:15 wizzyrea that's an interesting idea, but koha isn't really designed for *that*
20:15 gmcharlt bookmooch for tightly-knit groups, then?
20:15 gamambel i guess none of the existing OPACs is :(
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20:15 gamambel bookmooch? never heard of that
20:15 rangi cait: testing 6245 patch now
20:15 cait cool :)
20:15 cait working on bug 6246 now
20:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6246 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Acq: basket table broken
20:16 gamambel any things i should look into other than koha then?
20:16 oleonard I tried bookmooch a while ago and got frustrated with the terrible interface
20:17 gamambel is it open source?
20:17 gamambel looks ugly
20:17 gmcharlt gamambel: not open source, purely a service
20:18 gamambel also it is not quite the thing i am looking for
20:18 cait hah!
20:18 wizzyrea but bookmooch doesn't "Circulate" per se
20:18 wizzyrea you're not lending, you're giving
20:18 gamambel right
20:18 wizzyrea if I"m understanding
20:18 gmcharlt right
20:18 wizzyrea you're wanting a kind of social network for lending between friends
20:18 gamambel for circulating items, yes
20:18 wizzyrea hmm
20:18 gmcharlt but if I'm undersating gamambel correctly, it's not necessarily "lending" per se as a library would understand it
20:19 gmcharlt more like book routing
20:19 gamambel i currently write down the name of the friend who i gave items to
20:19 gamambel and if i need it back i call the person
20:19 gamambel something like that, but scalable
20:19 gamambel it's sort of a library in that my items can be returned to any of my friends
20:19 gamambel but not necessarily only distributed between my friends
20:20 wizzyrea well, lending as in "I'm giving you this book (checking it out), and you can return it to matt, dick, harry, or any  of my other listed friends. Then they will return it to me"
20:20 rangi cait: hah?
20:20 cait found the problem :)
20:20 gamambel i don't care where the item was in between, i want to make sure i can get it back (or tell people where it is to get it)
20:20 gamambel wizzyrea: they don't have to return it to me
20:20 gamambel they can keep it, as long as the system knows it is there
20:20 wizzyrea Ah
20:21 gamambel "owner: gamambel, location: <currently lended>, return to: wizzrea, rangi, cait, gamambel"
20:21 gamambel "owner: gamambel, location: wizzrea, available"
20:21 wizzyrea something like that?
20:21 rangi cait: yay!
20:21 gamambel yes
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20:22 gamambel can i put this discussion on my website to explain what i'm looking for? :)
20:22 rangi gamambel: yep, this is publicly logged
20:22 wizzyrea fine by me
20:23 jcamins_away logs?
20:23 wahanui logs are down
20:23 jcamins_away Well, that wasn't too helpful, wahanui.
20:23 wahanui jcamins_away: excuse me?
20:23 rangi[…]11-04-21#i_649627
20:23 jcamins_away wahanui: forget logs
20:23 wahanui jcamins_away: I forgot logs
20:23 jcamins_away logs are at
20:23 jcamins_away logs?
20:23 wahanui logs are at
20:24 jcamins_away :)
20:24 gamambel
20:25 cait bug 6246 ready for testing
20:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6246 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Acq: basket table broken
20:25 rangi yay
20:25 rangi cait++
20:26 druthb cait++
20:26 gamambel i gotta go now, thanks wizzyrea
20:26 druthb wahanui: druthb?
20:26 wahanui you are probably one fine number in a skirt.
20:26 * druthb blushes.
20:26 gamambel if anyone has some input on my distributed opac idea, feel free to contact me :)
20:26 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6245: Can't order from z39.50 search in acq <[…]a4a17fef4ecec01e0>
20:26 druthb Brooke_ has been here, clearly.
20:27 wizzyrea yw, good luck on the project :)
20:27 rangi gamambel: have you seen libravatar ?
20:27 gamambel wizzyrea: if you look at the list of my "projects", it won't be anytime soon i guess :)
20:27 rangi
20:27 gamambel rangi: avatar?
20:27 gamambel like gravatar?
20:27 wizzyrea hee
20:27 rangi factor adding support for that in to your opac
20:28 rangi like gravatar but distributed and libre
20:28 gamambel will add it to the log :)
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20:28 druthb wahanui: Brooke_?
20:28 wahanui well, Brooke_ is hearing no objections
20:28 * druthb thinks.
20:28 rangi wizzyrea: one of francois' pieces of software
20:29 wizzyrea francois++
20:29 druthb wahanui: forget Brooke_
20:29 wahanui druthb: I forgot brooke_
20:29 wizzyrea gamambel: certainly there are parts of koha you could use for that project
20:30 wizzyrea cataloging, for one
20:30 druthb wanahnui:  Brooke_ is the best dinner companion a girl could want.
20:30 SteveJ druthb, I am back.
20:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.2.x build #22: SUCCESS in 1 h 16 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/22/
20:30 jenkins_koha Chris Nighswonger: Revert "3.0.x: ce353e7 bug #3674 allow users creation with disabled password"
20:30 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3674 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, REOPENED, Creating users with empty password
20:31 druthb SteveJ: ...k  Calling now.
20:31 rangi cait: works perfectly
20:32 cait :)
20:33 cait next is bug 6247 - patch coming
20:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6247 critical, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Acq: oder from existing record broken
20:35 rangi[…]-to-feature-koha/
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20:36 rangi pretty cool
20:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6246: Modify/Delete links were missing from basket lines <[…]6ac0d4ed0b567a97a>
20:43 cait interesting!
20:43 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6247] Acq: oder from existing record broken <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6247>
20:43 cait the goethe institutes are participating in our union catalog
20:43 cait not sure about this one
20:46 rangi cait++ # another perfect fix
20:46 wizzyrea cait is on FIRE
20:46 * cait blushes
20:46 cait and yes they are in our union catalog:[…]W?FRST=1&HILN=888
20:47 rangi oh very cool
20:47 rangi cait: you should go do some consulting for them :-)
20:47 cait hehe
20:48 cait one of my coworkers got to do training in greece and new york for the goethe institutes
20:50 cait not sure what ils they have
20:51 rangi well lots of libraries in kenya run koha
20:52 cait think they might have a local expert :)
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20:57 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6247: Acq: order already existing record broken <[…]6e2e36edf0e63dca8>
20:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #216: SUCCESS in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/216/
20:58 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 6239, Merging records broken
20:58 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6234: Fixing missing biblionumber for links using
20:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6239 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Merging records broken
20:58 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 6238 - Checkboxes in staff's list view are missing
20:58 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6231: some system preferences in XSLT broken
20:58 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6232: Impossible to link authorities to bibliographic records
20:58 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 6237: Remove redeclarations of global vars in same scope
20:59 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 6237: remove compile time warning
20:59 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 6236 : When checking for expiry don't try to process 0 dates
20:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6234 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Links on hold ratios report broken
20:59 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 6168, Can't delete holds from circulation page
20:59 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 6240 : pass a hash to template not a scalar
20:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6238 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Checkboxes in staff's list view are missing
20:59 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 6244, Javascript error on circulation home page
20:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6231 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, System preferences in XSLT view broken
20:59 jenkins_koha Starting build 217 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6232 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Can't link authorities to bibliographic record
20:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6237 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, Recent changes leave compile time warnings in
20:59 wizzyrea botfight!
20:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6236 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, NEW, cannot receive serials
20:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6168 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Can't delete holds from circulation page
20:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6240 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, edit subscription loses bib link
20:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6244 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Javascript error on circulation home page
21:01 rangi heh
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21:09 cait sometimes they can be really loud!
21:09 cait bug 6248 done
21:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6248 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Acq: order from staged marc file broken
21:12 * rangi has been circulating and cataloguing items, which seems all good, so thank you for running through acquisitions
21:15 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6248] Acq: order from staged marc file broken <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6248>
21:15 cait looking at lateorders now
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21:15 wizzyrea I ran through several reserves earlier
21:15 wizzyrea with all sorts of mistreatment, and they seemed good
21:15 cait I did circulation reports and staged marc import
21:16 cait tools and reports someone?
21:16 wizzyrea tools... I can run through tools
21:16 rangi i did reports
21:16 rangi but tools would be good
21:16 rangi thanks wizzyrea
21:16 cait I wonder if 0 days ago should bring up my orders
21:17 cait but I always get 0 results
21:17 cait and the supplier pull down is empty
21:19 rangi ive never used lateorders
21:21 cait I thin it works in 3.2.2
21:23 wizzyrea hey, anybody have a patron CSV they can shoot me?
21:24 bencahill joined #koha
21:24 cait perhaps
21:25 bencahill hey guys, can I (semi-)easily make the opac fit into my own website layout? (I can do any css, just don't do perl)
21:25 cait wizzyra: I have one with 21 patrons
21:25 cait but you would have to change categorytype, branchcode and perhaps dateformats
21:26 wizzyrea that's ok
21:26 wizzyrea :)
21:26 cait email?
21:26 wahanui email is weird
21:26 wizzyrea
21:26 cait wahanui forget email
21:26 wahanui cait: I forgot email
21:27 cait sent
21:27 wizzyrea ty ty
21:28 cait bencahill: you can do a lot with koha + css
21:29 cait bencahill: owen's blog is a good starting point
21:29 bencahill cait: I suppose just play around?
21:29 bencahill cait: owen's blog?
21:29 wahanui hmmm... owen's blog is a good starting point
21:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6248: Acq: order from staged marc file broken <[…]e814c126cb07a6bfa>
21:29 cait I hoped wahanui knows the url
21:30 wizzyrea acpl koha blog usually gets it
21:30 cait owen's blog is
21:32 bencahill hmm, will the website be up soon?
21:32 wizzyrea ask amazon :P
21:32 bencahill lol
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21:38 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #217: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/217/
21:38 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6245: Can't order from z39.50 search in acq
21:38 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6246: Modify/Delete links were missing from basket lines
21:38 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6245 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Can't oder from Z39.50 in acquisitions
21:38 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6247: Acq: order already existing record broken
21:38 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6246 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Acq: basket table broken
21:38 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6247 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Acq: oder from existing record broken
21:38 jenkins_koha Starting build 218 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:46 druthb cait++
21:46 * cait hides
21:51 wizzyrea bless you cait
21:51 wizzyrea cait++ for the csv
21:52 * cait hides behind druthb
21:53 * druthb turns and points at cait.  LOOK, EVERYONE!
21:53 druthb cait++
21:53 druthb no hiding, cait!
21:54 wizzyrea phew, patron import = working
21:54 pastebot0 "rangi" at pasted "Can I get a proofread/suggestions please" (18 lines) at
21:54 rangi yay
21:55 druthb that looks good, rangi.
21:56 cait sent 6249
21:56 cait and looks good :)
21:56 rangi thanks cait
21:56 cait seems like every template has a problem in acq
21:56 cait spotted next on uncertain prices
21:57 wizzyrea 1s, I have some wording for you
21:57 wizzyrea :)
21:57 rangi cait: yeah, acq does seem to be by far the most problematic
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22:01 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6249] Acq: Can't order from suggestions <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6249>
22:04 pastebot0 "wizzyrea" at pasted "revision :)" (7 lines) at
22:04 wizzyrea there should be a comma after features
22:05 cait sent 6250 for uncertain prices
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22:09 rangi ta
22:09 wizzyrea *nod*
22:11 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6249: Can't order accepted suggestions <[…]92e5b7c0366d09ada>
22:11 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6250] Acq: Link to order in uncertain prices list broken <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6250>
22:12 rangi jcamins_away: you still away?
22:14 cait hm the pagination on parcel is broken, - it's missing the supplier id
22:14 cait 1 2 next - next is ok, 2 not
22:14 wizzyrea ok peeps, gotta go but will def be back
22:15 rangi im sure there was a bug fixed to do with zebra passwing back xml
22:15 cait bye wizzyrea :)
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22:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #218: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/218/
22:18 jenkins_koha Katrin Fischer: Bug 6248: Acq: order from staged marc file broken
22:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6248 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Acq: order from staged marc file broken
22:18 jenkins_koha Starting build 219 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:23 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6250: Link to order in uncertain prices list broken <[…]bcaa8f2247732a666>
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22:47 cait bug 6251 sent
22:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6251 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Acq: Some problems with receiving orders
22:47 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6251] Acq: Some problems with receiving orders <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6251>
22:48 rangi cool
22:48 rangi you shouldn't stay up too late cait
22:48 cait it's ok
22:48 rangi i really appreciate your work
22:48 cait found the next on histsearch
22:49 cait should have done that earlier
22:49 rangi yeah i should have merged in the TT stuff sooner
22:49 rangi seems that is the best way to get it tested
22:49 cait I will go when concentration is gone
22:50 wizzyrea_away cait: drink plenty of water :)
22:50 cait jasmine tea :)
22:50 wizzyrea_away ooo even better
22:51 cait tomorrow is holiday, no problem staying up a bit longer
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22:52 rangi today is holiday here
22:55 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6251: Acq: receiving orders <[…]9383df0faffd508f7>
22:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #219: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/219/
22:58 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6249: Can't order accepted suggestions
22:58 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6250: Link to order in uncertain prices list broken
22:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6249 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Acq: Can't order from suggestions
22:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6250 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Acq: Link to order in uncertain prices list broken
22:58 wizzyrea_away of course, you should take extra time off because this is technically work
22:58 jenkins_koha Starting build 220 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:59 cait oh!
23:00 cait the budget table is missing
23:00 rangi in the db?
23:01 cait no on acq home
23:01 rangi phew
23:02 cait I am template testing - don't assume the worst :)
23:02 cait hm I have budget, I have funds... I want my table!
23:02 rangi the whole table isnt showing?
23:03 * rangi needs to get somethign to eat be back in  a sec
23:04 cait no
23:04 cait um yes, the whole table is not showing
23:08 cait hm
23:10 cait this is strange
23:10 cait I can't edit funds - but i was able to earlier today
23:20 cait hm
23:22 cait now it shows
23:22 cait weird
23:25 cait that was weird, but it's all working now
23:25 bg heya cait
23:25 cait hi bg :)
23:26 bg @wunder 93109
23:26 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.8�C (4:27 PM PDT on April 21, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until midnight tonight...
23:26 bg you should all come to sunny Santa Barbara for the release of 3.4
23:26 cait @wunder Konstanz
23:26 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.9�C (1:25 AM CEST on April 22, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Steady).
23:26 wizzyrea_away @wunder 66049
23:26 rangi @wunder wellington nz
23:26 huginn wizzyrea_away: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 13.6�C (6:28 PM CDT on April 21, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Steady).
23:26 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (10:00 AM NZST on April 22, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
23:26 bg we can pop some champagne to honor Elizabeth and 3.4 ;)
23:26 cait I think we had similar temperatures here today :)
23:27 rangi i drank some bordeaux last night
23:27 cait hm jasmine tea probably doesn't count?
23:27 rangi not unless you put whisky in it
23:28 bg or rum ;)
23:28 bg hot toddy
23:30 wizzyrea_away oo
23:30 bg so what's the count down look like now - less than 10 hours to the release?
23:30 cait hm, thinking about it - the only alchol I have is egg liqueur I use for baking - and I don't think that will complement the tea very well
23:30 bg probably not cait
23:31 cait rangi: I am done with acq - quite sure I missed some things, but can't find them
23:32 bg rangi I preferred usecontrolnumber syspref allows you to like the 78X fields to
23:32 rangi cait: if you tested, im doubt you missed much :) can you say this, you are very leistungsfähig ?
23:33 rangi bg: hehe yeah it was pretty funny :)
23:33 rangi i like 789
23:33 bg yeah - that totally worked for me :)
23:33 cait ?
23:33 rangi effizient
23:33 bg cait - the last thing chris just pushed
23:33 rangi tüchtig
23:34 cait hm not sure I am leistungsfähig
23:34 rangi Sie sind sehr effizient
23:34 cait hmpf :)
23:34 rangi ?
23:35 cait I think all mean basically the same
23:35 rangi apparently hmpf in german is hmpf
23:35 * rangi is playing with google translate
23:36 rangi speaking of translate, people figure out the proverb at the bottom of the release notes?
23:37 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #220: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/220/
23:37 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fixing typo in the release notes <[…]3ef9ede16adee769b>
23:37 jenkins_koha Katrin Fischer: Bug 6251: Acq: receiving orders
23:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6251 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Acq: Some problems with receiving orders
23:37 jenkins_koha Starting build 221 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:37 rangi Ehara taku toa i te toa takitahi, engari he toa takitini
23:38 bg ah I think you told me once - but I'm drawing a blank
23:38 bg I know this one --> Haere. Mōu tai ata; mōku tai ahiahi
23:39 rangi this feat is not the feat of one, but the feat of many
23:39 cait too bad google doesn't translate maori
23:39 bg ah yeah now I remember
23:42 rangi
23:42 rangi at the 34 second mark
23:42 rangi you can hear how you chant it :)
23:45 rangi (at 2 mins too)
23:46 wizzyrea_away i'm tempted to make them chant it at kudoscon :P
23:47 rangi heh
23:50 rangi the ambulance staff here use that as their haka
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23:51 cait hm
23:52 cait there are 2 places where I would expect a vendor's list but get an empty pull down
23:52 cait late orders and serials claims
23:53 rangi hmm
23:53 cait I only have one vendor
23:54 cait it's active and has a name
23:54 rangi and its not in the list?
23:54 cait no
23:54 cait both pull downs are empty
23:54 cait which breaks the whole thing
23:54 cait because you can't do a 'search all' in both reports
23:54 rangi right
23:54 cait you have to choose a vendor
23:54 rangi yep
23:54 rangi can you checkout html_template_pro
23:54 cait could you check if you see the same?
23:54 rangi and see if they come back
23:55 rangi if so, we know its a TT problem
23:55 rangi if not, we have to dig deeper
23:55 cait ah
23:55 cait ok
23:57 cait ok, both are still empty
23:58 rangi right well then its a deeper issue, checking now
23:58 cait hm or a problem with my data?
23:59 rangi yep thats why im checking
23:59 cait aha, I cen submit late orders with 0 days ago
23:59 cait s/cen/can
23:59 cait after midnight now:)
23:59 cait but the list is still empty

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