IRC log for #koha, 2009-11-19

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01:11 brendan cya in a bit #koha
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02:28 mahesh sdfgbhjkl;[']=
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03:28 Amit heya brendan, richard, chris_n2
03:29 Amit good morning #koha
03:29 chris_n2 hi Amit
03:33 brendan hi amit
04:01 chris_n2 @later tell hdl please check the "jail" for the patches@ list and add my other email address to the list
04:01 munin chris_n2: The operation succeeded.
04:01 Amit @wunder New Dehli
04:01 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Orleans Lakefront, Louisiana is 12.0�C (9:53 PM CST on November 18, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
04:02 Amit @wunder New Delhi, India
04:02 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 14.0�C (9:00 AM IST on November 19, 2009). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
04:02 Amit @wunder Bangalore, India
04:02 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 21.0�C (8:30 AM IST on November 19, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 20.0�C.
04:02 Amit @wunder Dehradun, India
04:02 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 10.0�C (5:30 AM IST on November 19, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1015 hPa.
04:03 brendan @wunder 93117
04:03 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.9�C (7:57 PM PST on November 18, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 9 am PST Thursday...
04:13 chris_n2 @wunder 28334
04:13 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 16.0�C (11:00 PM EST on November 18, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
04:14 chris_n2 g'night
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05:36 brendan goodnight
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06:23 Amit hi mahesh
06:27 mahesh hi
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07:13 Ropuch Morning #koha
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07:55 kf morning #koha
07:56 Ropuch Guten Tag, kf [;
07:57 kf guten Tag Ropuch :)
08:05 Ropuch I can't add biblios with double quotes in title to basket - i get "Title can't be empty" message
08:06 Ropuch Changing double into single quotes seems to solve the problem
08:06 kf hm sounds like a bug
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08:08 Ropuch Jup
08:09 Ropuch I'll report it
08:10 Ropuch Hm, if " is in the midlle of a title, it's ok, the problem is when the title starts with it
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08:26 Amit heya kf, ropuch, pual_p
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08:27 kf hi Amit
08:27 Ropuch Hi Amit
08:28 imp heyho
08:35 chris evening
08:35 nicomo hi all
08:36 chris hi nicomo
08:36 nicomo hi chris
08:38 chris hows things?
08:39 kf hi nicomo and chris
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08:43 zico hi
08:43 zico i m facing problem with barcode generation
08:43 hdl hi all
08:44 hdl @later tell chris_n email set free
08:44 munin hdl: The operation succeeded.
08:44 zico i cannot add files under date
08:45 zico tht means... if i wants to select according to date.. like "added before"... or "added after".. it don`t work
08:54 paul_p hello all
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09:07 kf hi paul_p
09:07 paul_p hi kf, good morning to you
09:07 paul_p (hi magnusenger & others too)
09:08 magnusenger hiya paul_p et al!
09:08 kf paul_p: had no time for xslt - koha presentation next week steals my time, but I hope next week
09:08 kf paul_p: after the presentation
09:09 paul_p kf: ok, that's great
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09:15 kf paul_p: is there a way to look at the new acq? they have a lot of questions about acq and Im not sure what will change in 3.2
09:30 kf meeting now bbl
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09:32 |Lupin| hello there
09:56 |Lupin| till soon
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10:56 amadan Good morning
10:57 amadan I get this error when i'm adding records
10:57 amadan Koha error The following fatal error has occurred:Can't call method "append_fields" on an undefined value at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/MARC/File/ line 92.     Apache Server version: Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) Server built: Aug 18 2009 14:18:10    Koha  Koha DB 3.0002012  MySQL mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.51a, for debian-linux-gnu (i486) using readline  5.2   OS Linux jupiter 2.6.24-25-server #1 SMP Tue Oct 20 08:12:40 UTC 2009  i686  Perl 5.00800
11:06 amadan can anybody please help
11:29 Ropuch It occurs while editing/adding an item?
11:29 Ropuch I remeber this from 3.00.2, but it's fixed in 3.00.4
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11:56 amadan do i need to replace with
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12:08 amadan If so where can i get the to download?
12:08 Ropuch[…]0.04_fixed.tar.gz
12:08 Ropuch[…]-July/019328.html
12:09 Ropuch And here you have description of upgrading process
12:10 amadan thanks Ropuch
12:10 Amit heya ropuch
12:10 amadan will try ma hands on it
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12:49 kf hi jwagner
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13:00 Nate good morning everyone
13:10 jwagner Morning kf and Nate
13:16 Nate morning jwagner
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14:03 chris_n g'morning
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14:06 jwagner Good morning chris_n -- hope you've recovered from the git episode....
14:09 chris_n ...starting over now :-/
14:10 chris_n hopefully coding will go faster this time since I'm supposed to know what I'm doing now... ;-)
14:14 jwagner Good luck!
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14:21 kf hdl: around?
14:22 hdl hi kf
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14:27 kf hdl: is it ok to add/order books in this installation and perhaps try different AcqCreateItem settings (
14:31 hdl it is a testing base
14:31 kf hdl: so this is a yes? :)
14:31 hdl yes
14:34 schuster is there a quick way to test my apache webserver is running?  I just rebooted my "test" server and it hasn't come back to life.
14:35 collum schuster: ps -ef | grep apache
14:36 collum schuster: for most Linux distributions.
14:36 schuster debian - hmmm looks dead.  Now to figure out why ... phewy
14:36 Colin schuster: apache/httpd for non-debian distributions
14:37 Colin schuster: apache -S will show your virtual hosts or maybe point to the error
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14:52 schuster OK thanks colin found an error in my config
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15:19 wizzyrea schuster: I hate it when I typo in the apache config. I'm always like "hey! Dangit! Why isn't this working?!"
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15:23 kf hdl: some things seem to be broken in this install - manage suggestions, pdf printing and receiving orders
15:26 kf hdl: not sure if you want/need to know
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15:32 jwagner @seen nengard
15:32 munin jwagner: nengard was last seen in #koha 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 51 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <nengard> I'm working with melanie on the problem i mentioned above
15:35 hdl kf thanks for report
15:38 schuster question for you debian guru's...  I'm playing with environmental variables - with apache - if I want 901 and 001 - it tells me to use a "regular expression or regex" so what would be my phrase?
15:38 schuster (901,001) or something more complex that the dinngy blond librarian that I am wouldn't understand?
15:39 schuster wizzyrea - yep me too..  I'm playing with the multi-pac setup to see if there is a way to get multiple locations and not just one with the branch: variable.
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15:51 tomascohen anyone has any ideas on how to benchmark zebra performance?
15:51 tomascohen we want to compare its speed in a virtualized env with a dedicated server
16:03 wizzyrea jwagner: nengard is in rome, guess she's had epic trouble finding wifi in europe
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16:10 jwagner wizzyrea, thanks.  I'll catch up with her later.
16:11 jwagner wizzyrea, I added all those SQL reports to the wiki page like I promised :-)  Hope they're useful to someone & that I didn't make any egregious errors in my SQL....
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16:25 wizzyrea jwagner: spectacular!
16:25 * wizzyrea goes to look
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16:28 wizzyrea jwagner!! Those are GREAT!
16:28 jwagner Thanks :-)  Some of my sites are very, er, SPECIFIC, about report needs.
16:30 * paul_p suggest to add a lot of reports directly during koha setup (with the parameters setup, it's really easy. Just put the SQL and a small .txt in the installer/data/mysql/en/optional directory)
16:34 wizzyrea paul_p do you have a demo where I can look at the parameters setup stuff?
16:34 jwagner paul_p, I've been thinking about that -- a lot of these reports are ones that I use on multiple sites.  It would be a lot easier to run an installer than to recreate them each time.  Figuring out which ones to include might be the hard part....
16:34 paul_p kf: you're working on biblibre_head ?
16:38 wizzyrea paul_p are these the parameters settings you're talking about: This lets you specify SQL Parameters in any SQL reports you create. These take the form __PARAM_NAME__. If you define a parameter, it will be used by the system as a  variable whenever you run the report. This should dramatically cut down on the number of individual reports you need to create, because you'll be able to 'fill in the blank' on the variable for similar reports prior to running the
16:43 schuster Like this idea!  I wouldn't have to create 67 reports one for each school every time there was a new one!  I could put it out there and then each school could put in their location or collection they wanted or etc...
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16:46 wizzyrea schuster: we are talking about creating the reports and linking to them from a site external to koha
16:47 wizzyrea you still have to create them, but you avoid the epic list
16:47 jwagner schuster, you could do that now with a .sql file regardless of having it as an installer file.  I've done a couple of direct .sql files (and screwed up a couple of others), but I try to leave that to the experts.  But it can be done to insert one line into the saved_sql table.
16:47 jwagner schuster, sorry, I misread what you were wanting to do.
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16:55 chris_n now that I'm back to where I was two days ago, I think I'll go find lunch :-P
16:55 jwagner There was a nifty presentation at the API After Hours session (Sirsi conference a couple of years ago) about a web interface to Sirsi data with setups for predefined reports.  I think staff could enter some parameters but the overall structure was set up in advance.  Something like that might be useful for Koha.
16:56 jwagner chris_n, I trust you SAVED your work :-)
16:56 chris_n hehe...
16:56 * wizzyrea hopes that chris_n double checked
16:57 * chris_n is scared to leave his office now...
16:57 jwagner Isn't that what laptops are for, so you can take your office with you????
16:58 chris_n I think the only place I don't have a computer is in my car :-)
16:59 chris_n well... maybe the ECU counts for one in the car
16:59 jwagner chris_n, if you drive a car made in the last, say, 15 years, you have a computer there too.
16:59 wizzyrea garmin makes a thing you can plug into the diagnostic port and it will output data to your NUVI
17:00 wizzyrea output your car computer codes/performance/eco info to your nuvi, I should say
17:00 wizzyrea in real time
17:00 wizzyrea that is like, car nerd heaven
17:00 chris_n I have an interface I built so my laptop can speak with the car
17:00 chris_n real time
17:00 wizzyrea that is sweet too
17:01 wizzyrea i knew about the laptop deal, but I hadn't ever heard of it being integrated with a GPS
17:01 chris_n occasionally the car has something worth hearing
17:01 jwagner Harrumph.  Sounds like something the Head of Inadvisably Applied Magic, er, Technology came up with....
17:01 chris_n maybe the car can then give you exact coordinates as to where the problem is??
17:02 wizzyrea lulz
17:02 wizzyrea I think it's mostly for eco/performance measures related to velocity
17:03 wizzyrea it just seemed very geeky and col
17:03 wizzyrea cool*
17:03 chris_n ie. I hurt at exactly 35 deg N, 78 deg W ;-)
17:03 davi hi
17:04 * chris_n really must go and get food
17:05 jwagner Happy hunting/gathering
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17:06 pianohacker Good morning
17:06 jwagner Hi pianohacker
17:07 pianohacker Hi, jane
17:07 pianohacker How's it going?
17:07 jwagner Middlin' well.
17:07 jwagner You?
17:08 pianohacker Alright. Working on school
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17:32 kf bye #koha
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19:09 chris morning
19:10 sekjal morning, chris
19:10 chris heya sekjal, i voted for your talk :)
19:10 sekjal yay!  thanks!
19:11 chris hmmm i hope lupin sees the messages i just let through to the mailing list
19:12 chris @later tell |Lupin| some is asking about braille on the koha mailing list, maybe you can help them
19:12 munin chris: The operation succeeded.
19:25 sekjal chris:  at least for the moment, my Koha talk seems to be in the top 17... perhaps it'll make it after all
19:25 sekjal the Git one can be reduced to a lightning talk, probably, provided I have enough success with the file event APIs
19:25 chris w00t
19:28 jwagner Is this for Kohacon, or something else?  Inquiring minds want to know :-)
19:29 sekjal Code4Lib
19:29 jwagner Ah.  Dunno if we'll be going to that yet.  Maybe.
19:32 sekjal its a good time
19:54 wizzyrea jwagner++ for those reports
19:54 wizzyrea jwagner++
19:54 jwagner Double the karma?  I'm overwhelmed :-)
19:57 jwagner @karma jwagner
19:57 munin jwagner: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 12 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 12.
19:58 chris jwagner: ill do a CFP for kohacon probably about march
20:00 jwagner We still haven't broached the topic of going with our bosses :-)
20:00 wizzyrea I have, actually
20:00 jwagner No telling HOW that might play out.
20:00 chris ill probably be broaching it with them :)
20:00 wizzyrea I told him I was saving my pennies to go, and he said NEKLS could probably help out :)
20:01 sekjal my director is recommending I look into travel grants
20:04 joetho in NZ?
20:05 joetho if I asked about that, MY director would recommend I have my head examined
20:06 jwagner I was wishful-thinking a look at plane fares again today.  Right now it looks to be much cheaper to fly to LA or San Francisco, stay overnight to ease my poor arthritic joints, THEN fly to NZ.  A direct flight from the Washington area is hideously expensive and long, connecting in multiple places.
20:06 jwagner chris, do you have a feel for which US-West-Coast airport might have better connections and flights?
20:07 joetho <---wonders about taking a slow boat instead
20:07 chris SFO and LAX
20:07 chris have the 2 best
20:08 chris SFO is a far nicer airport
20:08 jwagner joetho, I've taken up cruising in the last couple of years -- I love traveling by ship.  But it might take far longer & cost far more than I can afford.
20:08 chris airnz flies direct to both
20:08 jwagner Thanks chris, will keep that in mind.  I have friends & family in San Francisco anyway, so that might tip the scales.
20:09 chris 3 years ago a i got a $999nz return flight to SFO
20:09 chris so 600$USD
20:10 chris every so often they got mental and offer cheap flights
20:10 jwagner Wow.  That would be lovely, especially compared to the fares I saw today :-(
20:10 fredericd chris: When kohacon 2010 dates will be fixed?
20:11 chris in a month or so
20:11 chris its all just wrangling for the best price
20:11 chris as its a free conference, i dont wanna end up out of pocket
20:12 chris my wife would kill me
20:12 chris hehe
20:12 jwagner I'd suggest passing the hat first.  It's a less permanent solution :-)
20:13 chris true
20:15 wizzyrea chris: I am STILL so thankful for that report editing feature you added at koha devcon
20:15 wizzyrea i'd be pulling out my hair today without it :D
20:15 wizzyrea chris++
20:15 chris 3 day conference, 4 day hack fest
20:15 chris is the plan
20:15 chris i reckon we can come up with some kickarse stuff in 4 days
20:16 jwagner Maybe make Koha play the 12-string guitar?
20:16 * jwagner is getting silly, and it's not even Friday yet....
20:16 sekjal a configurable interface between Koha and any branch's IP-networked coffee maker
20:18 wizzyrea sekjal: something could probably be worked up in CRON...
20:18 wizzyrea not sure how you'd tie it to koha though :)
20:18 jwagner wizzyrea, tie it to the branch's calendar days/hours!
20:18 wizzyrea jwagner: you should see the giant guitar sculpture at the Music Experience Museum in Seattle
20:19 wizzyrea it's got computers playing guitars
20:19 * wizzyrea goes to look for the pic....
20:19 jwagner I saw that museum from the outside when I had a stopover in Seattle this summer, but didn't go in.
20:20 sekjal it's a neat space, but don't touch it; very sharp!
20:20 sekjal was in there for a concert once....
20:22 sekjal when we were walking to the entrance, a friend of mine touched the side of building, and got cut on a bolt that was jutting out
20:22 wizzyrea it was neat, spud slept through it but we had fun
20:24 wizzyrea[…]bb6&id=1078323327
20:24 wizzyrea I think that should work
20:29 jwagner Awwwwwww
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20:38 cait hi #koha
20:38 wizzyrea hey cait
20:39 cait hi wizzyrea :)
20:39 wizzyrea jwagner++ I'm still learning from all of your reports. What a huge help.
20:39 jwagner hi cait
20:39 cait hi jwagner
20:39 jwagner Goodness, wizzyrea.  jdavidb is going to be REALLY jealous!
20:39 wizzyrea it's like the sky opened up and delightful delicious knowledge is raining down
20:39 wizzyrea and choruses of angels are singing etc etc
20:39 jwagner Well, I learned a lot from the ones on the site already, & adapted some of them, so save some thanks for the other people.
20:42 wizzyrea I know... it's one of those things where the more styles of sql queries you see, the better your approaches get
20:56 jwagner G'night all
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20:58 wizzyrea i love her. I could hug her.
20:59 wizzyrea I probably will the next time I see her.
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22:06 schuster chris around?
22:07 chris yep
22:07 schuster Question about environmental variables in apache you any good with that?
22:07 chris yep
22:08 schuster Did you see my post on IRC earlier today?  I am using the multi-branch setup outlined in the RFC so I have an environmental variable in apache for BRANCH:001
22:08 chris right
22:08 schuster Is there a way to tell it BRANCH:001 OR 901?
22:09 chris so to do 2 branches?
22:09 chris no
22:09 schuster not the answer I wanted...
22:09 schuster It talked about using regular expressions, but I don't understand that well enough ...  drat
22:09 wizzyrea apache is a funny indian
22:09 chris you cant do that in apache
22:09 schuster sioux?
22:09 chris you could set 2 branches in the env variable
22:10 chris but the code needs to know what to with that
22:10 chris its not an apache problem
22:10 schuster phewy.
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22:11 schuster so you would have 2 lines in the variables for BRANCHES - but I wonder what it would do ???  or/and them?
22:11 chris no
22:11 chris you would have something like
22:11 chris BRANCHES 001|901
22:12 chris and then something in the code to understand if it sees a | thats an and, or an or if you want it to be an or
22:12 schuster so is that a pipe? between the two?
22:12 chris its whatever you want
22:12 chris the point is you have to write the code to deal with it
22:12 schuster ah...
22:12 schuster something to sleep on ;)
22:12 schuster thanks for your help.
22:12 chris np
22:13 schuster Off to pickup the little one!
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22:15 chris i wonder what rfc he was talking about
22:16 indradg chris, lol
22:17 chris whatever one it is, its still not an apache problem ;)
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22:18 chris_n2 what is it that's hard to understand about "just don't run the script as root"?
22:19 chris apparently everything
22:20 wizzyrea lordy
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22:20 indradg chris_n2, its looking for *the* "any key"... its tough! :P
22:21 chris_n2 last I knew you could setup other users in webmin... maybe an account linked to the koha unix user might be in order
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22:23 chris_n2 @seen gmcharlt
22:23 munin chris_n2: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 3 days, 6 hours, 23 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> yes, at that point it could be captured
22:25 wizzyrea he must be in school
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