Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
12:44 |
|
nicomo |
owen: i did an english version of our original, french blog post about sopac and koha |
12:44 |
|
nicomo |
http://www.biblibre.com/node/122 |
12:46 |
|
owen |
Thanks nicomo |
13:04 |
|
paul_p |
hello owen |
13:04 |
|
paul_p |
good morning |
13:07 |
|
owen |
Hi paul_p |
14:42 |
|
owen |
kados around? |
14:48 |
|
liz_nekls |
owen: i'm looking at your upcoming titles page, but I swear you had a blog post about how you did it somewhere... but I can't find it for the life of me. Do you have a link to it? |
14:48 |
|
liz_nekls |
and if you do, may I have it >.> |
14:48 |
|
owen |
Yeah, that article was posted before I set up the blog. |
14:49 |
|
owen |
Hmm... and I may need to repost it. It's not coming up now. |
14:49 |
|
liz_nekls |
erf, sorry to bring it up |
14:50 |
|
owen |
No, I should certainly know if it's gone missing! |
14:51 |
|
liz_nekls |
i think I found the blog where it's *supposed* to be |
14:51 |
|
liz_nekls |
http://www.myacpl.org/koha/ ? |
14:53 |
|
owen |
Yeah, I'll re-post it there shortly. |
14:56 |
|
liz_nekls |
k, no hurry. Thanks. :) |
15:24 |
|
slef |
owen: I think that was a bit of a hasty INVALID there. |
15:24 |
|
owen |
Oh, sorry! |
15:24 |
|
owen |
What'd I miss? |
15:24 |
|
slef |
some users, not all users |
15:25 |
|
owen |
Ah! |
15:25 |
|
owen |
I hope you'll revise the bug and explain my mistake. |
15:25 |
|
slef |
reopened with question, yep |
15:25 |
|
owen |
(or I can) |
15:27 |
|
slef |
in other news, I've got one koha that updates its zebra if you do a full rebuild_zebra but not if you run it with -z... still trying to nail that one down, but has anyone seen a similar problem |
15:27 |
|
liz_nekls |
bless you good sir (owen)) |
15:27 |
|
slef |
it appears to be localised to one system - not reproducible on our test servers |
15:29 |
|
slef |
updated the bug subject to make it clearer |
15:29 |
|
slef |
kohabug 3032 if anyone cares |
15:53 |
|
slef |
Is anyone running rebuild_zebra from launchd and if so, can I see your plist? Mine appears incorrect. |
16:02 |
|
paul_p |
slef : beeping khatar. He could answer your question about mac OS |
16:02 |
|
paul_p |
(he's not on the channel, should arrive soon) |
16:02 |
|
slef |
thanks! |
16:07 |
|
mc |
slef, i read and put my plist in the web in few minutes |
16:08 |
|
slef |
mc, thanks |
16:11 |
|
mc |
it was already online in fact: http://mc.koha-fr.org/mac/ports/ |
16:12 |
|
mc |
slef, note that i use macports so you have to fix the perl path |
16:13 |
|
slef |
I think it may be a perl path problem that I have |
16:13 |
|
slef |
arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh |
16:14 |
|
mc |
:) |
16:14 |
|
slef |
mine's using apple perl |
16:14 |
|
slef |
no, it is using apple perl |
16:16 |
|
mc |
i had some hard time with launchd :) |
16:16 |
|
slef |
both launchd and koha's zebra configs bite me every update |
16:17 |
|
slef |
(my zebra modules are in /sw not /usr) |
16:19 |
|
mc |
same pb with macports and /opt/local |
16:26 |
|
fredericd |
hello |
16:26 |
|
fredericd |
wiki.koha.org is down |
16:40 |
|
owen |
Hmm... not working for me either |
17:39 |
|
schuster |
Galen, how long do I need to wait for the records to show up? |
17:40 |
|
gmcharlt |
schuster: about another 10 minutes or so with ~7000 records |
17:40 |
|
schuster |
ok just trying to figure out when I need to panic! |
18:00 |
|
schuster |
Galen, hmmm problem? ISBN - 038590890 - didn't match the existing record in production. |
18:01 |
|
gmcharlt |
schuster: ok, indexing done |
18:24 |
|
pianohacker |
kados: around? |
18:35 |
|
chris |
hmmmm |
18:35 |
|
chris |
wiki still down for others? |
18:35 |
|
gmcharlt |
sorry, yes |
18:35 |
|
gmcharlt |
cfouts is working on it |
18:36 |
|
chris |
sweet |
18:36 |
|
valczir |
so ... what happened to wiki.koha.org? |
18:37 |
|
gmcharlt |
PHP library config glitch on the server hosting it |
18:37 |
|
valczir |
woohoo? |
19:01 |
|
kados |
wiki.koha.org should be back up, but if you're using firefox it may be cacheing it as down and you may need to restart |
19:02 |
|
chris |
ta |
19:02 |
|
kados |
also, we're going to be moving it to another server shortly, so stay tuned for that, we'll announce it on-list beforehand |
19:03 |
|
chris |
sweet |
19:17 |
|
schuster |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohacon2009 |
19:17 |
|
schuster |
Still doing strange things... |
19:19 |
|
owen |
schuster: try adding a made-up parameter to force your browser to grab a new version: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]09&something=blue |
19:22 |
|
schuster |
Great thanks that worked! |
19:24 |
|
chris |
schuster: im working on that page right now :) |
19:25 |
|
schuster |
Thanks Chris... I'll try and get some more information about "things to do" in the next couple of days. |
19:28 |
|
chris |
cool |
19:35 |
|
chris |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ngs_to_see_and_do |
23:18 |
|
pianohacker |
night all |
01:12 |
|
ron |
What is Koha's auth backend? Can it plug into LDAP? |
01:13 |
|
chris |
its backened with encrypted passwords stored in the db by default, but yes it can use LDAP too |
01:16 |
|
ron |
awesome |
01:16 |
|
ron |
via PAM? |
01:16 |
|
chris |
lots of places dont use LDAP (most public libraries) |
01:16 |
|
chris |
naw, just talks directly to the ldap server |
01:16 |
|
ron |
yeah, it makes sense that it defaults to using its own db |
01:16 |
|
ron |
very slick that it *can* use LDAP |
01:17 |
|
ron |
my target environment is running openldap on ubuntu 8.04 |
01:17 |
|
chris |
its a little bit mickey moose, you have to jump through a few hoops to get it going, but its getting better all the time, but once its going its sweet |
01:17 |
|
chris |
hmm too many buts in that sentence |
01:17 |
|
ron |
there's a howto somewhere covering this? |
01:17 |
|
chris |
yep on the wiki |
01:18 |
|
ron |
beaut. |
01:18 |
|
ron |
That leaves me with one final hurdle; waiting for a response from the deb packager |
01:18 |
|
chris |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]:development:ldap |
01:18 |
|
chris |
from the wonderful atz |
01:19 |
|
ron |
:) |
01:19 |
|
ron |
it's great to see how comprehensive the wiki/doco is for koha |
01:20 |
|
ron |
but hardly surprising, I guess, considering the audience. ;-) |
01:20 |
|
chris |
:) |
01:20 |
|
chris |
if i had time id do a new FAQ |
01:21 |
|
chris |
there are lot of questions that get asked on the mailing list |
01:21 |
|
ron |
yep |
01:21 |
|
ron |
presumably repeated qns |
01:21 |
|
chris |
that have been answered lots of times, having a faq to point them to would be handy |
01:21 |
|
ron |
but dammit, I wants my deb pkg. :) |
01:22 |
|
ron |
would the devs likely accept any patches required for such a deb pkg? |
01:22 |
|
chris |
:) |
01:22 |
|
chris |
definitely |
01:23 |
|
chris |
the nice thing is, vincent has managed to get all the dependencies packaged |
01:23 |
|
ron |
cool |
01:23 |
|
ron |
just wich he'd respond to my email |
01:23 |
|
ron |
;-) |
01:23 |
|
ron |
s/wich/wish |
01:23 |
|
chris |
so even without a koha package, you can apt-get all the dependencies, then perl Makefile.PL; make; make install |
01:23 |
|
ron |
oh, ok |
01:24 |
|
chris |
and run the web installer |
01:24 |
|
ron |
hmm |
01:26 |
|
ron |
howdy twb |
01:26 |
|
twb |
ron: hi. |
01:27 |
|
twb |
<chris> so even without a koha package, you can apt-get all the dependencies, then perl Makefile.PL; make; make install |
01:27 |
|
chris |
yep |
01:27 |
|
twb |
...the documentation I saw indicated that a number of perl libraries were not new enough in apt, and had to be updated via cpan. |
01:27 |
|
ron |
chris: twb is working with me on this project |
01:27 |
|
twb |
Is that documentation out of date? |
01:27 |
|
chris |
yep |
01:27 |
|
twb |
An important datapoint is that the target environment is Ubuntu 8.04, so package versions will not be as new as Squeeze or Sid. |
01:29 |
|
chris |
http://twitter.com/mjray/status/1315937758 |
01:29 |
|
chris |
yeah they are pretty much all in lenny |
01:30 |
|
chris |
that documentation was for etch |
01:30 |
|
twb |
OK, cool. |
01:31 |
|
chris |
dh-make-perl is your friend if there are any that arent in hardy (or cant be installed from lenny) |
01:32 |
|
richard |
hi all |
01:32 |
|
chris |
heya richard :) |
01:33 |
|
twb |
chris: yeah, I just want to avoid local packaging where it's not necessary (because then you need to maintain those packages). |
01:34 |
|
twb |
So having official .debs for all the dependencies is a Good Thing. |
01:34 |
|
chris |
yep |
02:43 |
|
schuster |
Galen - have you had a chance to load the overdues on Plano production? |
02:45 |
|
chris |
drive by |
03:23 |
|
ron |
yow. blink and you miss him |
03:32 |
|
ron |
chris: only just now saw the link you pasted re mjray's deb efforts |
03:33 |
|
chris |
yeah you have been able to do it for a little while i think its the first time he has done an install with only debs |
03:33 |
|
ron |
righto |
03:33 |
|
ron |
he gives no details though |
03:33 |
|
ron |
I did get an email from his yesterday, he is interested in getting involved in my request for debs |
03:34 |
|
twb |
AFAICT Twitter is blogging for people with ADHD. |
03:34 |
|
chris |
pretty much follow the INSTALL.debian file |
03:34 |
|
ron |
twb: hahaha |
03:34 |
|
chris |
but where it says cpan, get it from a .deb instead |
03:34 |
|
twb |
chris: is that INSTALL.debian under version control? If so, which VC? |
03:35 |
|
twb |
*VCS |
03:35 |
|
chris |
yep git |
03:35 |
|
chris |
same as the rest of koha |
03:38 |
|
twb |
OK, I'll git-format-email the differences if I end up doing a deployment for Ubuntu 8.04 |
03:39 |
|
ron |
twb: it looks like you will be ;-) |
03:39 |
|
chris |
be good to do an INSTALL.ubuntu-hardy |
03:40 |
|
chris |
we have .opensuse and .fedora7 |
03:41 |
|
twb |
Righto |
03:45 |
|
chris |
actually i think there is an ubuntu one on the wiki |
03:49 |
|
chris |
ahh its for intrepid |
03:50 |
|
chris |
http://www.blazingmoon.org/gui[…]k3-on-u810-1.html |
03:50 |
|
chris |
wow,thats doing it the hard way |
03:51 |
|
chris |
i just run perl Makefile.PL |
03:51 |
|
chris |
and apt-get all the modules it tells me are missing ;) |
03:56 |
|
Amit |
hi koha good mrng |
03:56 |
|
Amit |
hi chris, mason |
03:57 |
|
chris |
hi amit |
03:58 |
|
twb |
chris: btw, why don't you use Freenode or OFTC? |
03:59 |
|
chris |
irc.katipo.co.nz /irc.citylink.co.nz predates both of them :) |
03:59 |
|
chris |
and katipo use it for their own stuff, as do hlt |
04:00 |
|
chris |
we had a bot that mirrored to freenode |
04:04 |
|
twb |
Bleh, those mess up tab completion |
04:05 |
|
chris |
yeah |
04:29 |
|
brendan |
heya all |
04:37 |
|
Amit |
hi brendan |
04:37 |
|
brendan |
good evening Amit |
04:37 |
|
Amit |
good morning brendan |
05:33 |
|
twb |
chris: which version should I deploy on Ubuntu 8.04? The 3.0.1 tarball? |
05:33 |
|
chris |
yep |
05:33 |
|
chris |
thats the most recent stable |
05:34 |
|
twb |
Righto. |
05:34 |
|
twb |
(Some projects say stuff like "oh noooooo, our stable is only for crazy people, use trunk".) |
05:34 |
|
twb |
(Usually AFTER I've spent two days trying to deploy it.) |
05:34 |
|
chris |
yeah but if they say trunk, they are using svn, so i wouldnt trust a word they say |
05:34 |
|
ron |
but you enjoy it, admit it |
05:35 |
|
chris |
:) |
05:36 |
|
chris |
master probably works fine, but its a moving target, if you are going to run it in a production environment stable is a much safer bet |
05:37 |
|
chris |
you guys going to kohacon? :-) |
05:38 |
|
ron |
mate, we only just heard of koha a couple of days ago |
05:38 |
|
ron |
;-) |
05:38 |
|
ron |
s/we/*I*/ |
05:39 |
|
chris |
where have you been?? *grin* |
05:39 |
|
ron |
not spending my days in a library, that much is fer sure |
05:39 |
|
ron |
;-) |
05:40 |
|
chris |
are you allowed to say what library its for? |
05:40 |
|
ron |
a prison |
05:40 |
|
ron |
sorry, 'correctioanl facility' |
05:41 |
|
chris |
ahh righto |
05:41 |
|
chris |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]kohausers#oceania |
05:41 |
|
ron |
wowzers |
05:42 |
|
chris |
theres bound to be more, those are just the ones who have listed themselves |
05:42 |
|
twb |
Heh, I first parsed as "Kohausers", some kind of Germanic thing. |
05:42 |
|
chris |
heh |
05:43 |
|
ron |
I used to work with a Kohlhousen |
05:43 |
|
ron |
meh, not as similar as I first thought. never mind |
05:43 |
|
twb |
chris: re use of "trunk", I was speaking generally -- they might call it 1.0.rc4 or HEAD^ or whatever. |
05:43 |
|
chris |
yeah i was just using that as an opportunity to express my hatred of svn :) |
05:44 |
|
ron |
uh oh. another cvs war. |
05:44 |
|
chris |
i dont think i could ever go back to a centralised system after using a distributed one |
05:45 |
|
ron |
hmm... no prisons listed (yet) |
05:45 |
|
chris |
nope, would be a first |
05:45 |
|
ron |
posisbly |
05:45 |
|
chris |
well first listed :) |
05:45 |
|
twb |
Speaking as Debian's Darcs maintainer, I'm not particularly impressed by git, either ;-) |
05:46 |
|
chris |
i dont mind darcs |
05:46 |
|
chris |
id take git or darcs over svn any day |
05:46 |
|
twb |
Given you have 56MB tarballs, darcs would probably be too slow, though |
05:46 |
|
chris |
id even go to bzr |
05:46 |
|
chris |
yeah, theres a bunch of .po files in there |
05:47 |
|
chris |
and images |
05:47 |
|
twb |
Bah, no SVGs? |
05:48 |
|
twb |
Then you use rsvg-convert or similar in Makefile.PL to generate .png |
05:49 |
|
chris |
there is 60 meg of .po files alone |
05:50 |
|
twb |
chris: that's pretty impressive |
05:50 |
|
twb |
You should get a 60% to 80% compression of .po with lempel-ziv, though. |
05:50 |
|
chris |
http://translate.koha.org/projects/opac3_0/ |
05:51 |
|
twb |
Looks like most of the space is koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog |
05:51 |
|
chris |
yep |
05:51 |
|
chris |
we have plans for that too |
05:51 |
|
chris |
certainly in the debs, each language will be a sep package |
05:52 |
|
chris |
like ooffice etc do |
05:52 |
|
twb |
Is there an ITP for Koha yet? |
05:53 |
|
twb |
Sorry, I should ask first if you're familiar / involved in the Debian infrastructure at all. |
05:53 |
|
chris |
yep |
05:53 |
|
chris |
we have 3 dd's at my work |
05:53 |
|
chris |
there has been an itp for a long time |
05:53 |
|
twb |
Do you know Chris Double, too? |
05:54 |
|
chris |
nope |
05:54 |
|
twb |
ISTR he's in .nz somewhere... |
05:54 |
|
chris |
andrew mcmillan, francios marier |
05:55 |
|
chris |
are the 2 on my floor |
05:56 |
|
chris |
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin[…]rt.cgi?bug=186958 the old one |
05:57 |
|
chris |
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin[…]rt.cgi?bug=389876 and the newer one |
06:02 |
|
twb |
Hmm, there's already a debian/ |
06:03 |
|
chris |
oh yeah that was me playing around |
06:03 |
|
chris |
ignore that |
06:03 |
|
twb |
Righto |
06:04 |
|
twb |
FYI, you're not supposed to ship debian/ in tarballs of non-native packages. |
06:04 |
|
chris |
http://git.debian.org/?p=colla[…]oha.git;a=summary |
06:04 |
|
chris |
yeah, it shouldnt have been pulled across into the 3.0.x branch |
06:37 |
|
brendan |
Goodnight! |
07:33 |
|
Elwell |
morning all. |
07:39 |
|
chris |
Hi Elwell |
08:04 |
|
chris |
hi nicomo |
08:04 |
|
nicomo |
hi chris |
08:15 |
|
chris |
hi js and Kivutar |
08:15 |
|
Kivutar |
hello |
08:16 |
|
js |
hello too |
08:27 |
|
chris |
so i had landais roll thing at the french bakery for lunch today |
08:28 |
|
chris |
landais .. is that right? |
08:28 |
|
nicomo |
chris: I'm not quite sure what a "landais" is |
08:29 |
|
chris |
it was a smoked chicken and sun dried tomato and some lettuce and mayonaisse in a roll |
08:30 |
|
chris |
then i had an eclair |
08:30 |
|
nicomo |
well : fancy name and all, but not french |
08:30 |
|
chris |
heh yeah |
08:30 |
|
nicomo |
ah éclair : that's french all right |
08:30 |
|
chris |
www.simplyparis.co.nz |
08:30 |
|
chris |
maybe its some weird parisian thing :-) |
08:31 |
|
nicomo |
heh maybe |
08:31 |
|
nicomo |
but the menu looks genuinely french though |
08:31 |
|
nicomo |
“Morteau� Sausage |
08:31 |
|
nicomo |
i had one of those yesterday |
08:32 |
|
chris |
:) |
08:32 |
|
chris |
its a nice place, friendly staff |
08:32 |
|
chris |
and fresh and good food |
08:32 |
|
nicomo |
and ugly web site |
08:32 |
|
chris |
yes, horrible |
08:33 |
|
chris |
pdf for menu .. whats up with that |
08:35 |
|
nicomo |
maybe you could do something a bit nicer for them in exchange for 1 yr free meals ;-) |
08:36 |
|
chris |
ohh good idea |
08:39 |
|
chris |
hows the zebra traing going nahuel ? |
08:39 |
|
Kivutar |
"order your gallette des rois" :D |
08:39 |
|
nicomo |
yeah Kivutar saw that one |
08:39 |
|
nicomo |
:-) |
08:40 |
|
nahuel |
chris, hi, fine |
08:40 |
|
nahuel |
chris, just beginning the day |
08:41 |
|
chris |
*nod* |
08:58 |
|
slef |
Here's my current pain http://www.news.software.coop/[…]kage-problem/602/ |
09:02 |
|
chris |
ouch |
09:02 |
|
chris |
havent seen that before |
09:10 |
|
chris |
for i in `dpkg -l` do apt-get reinstall $i |
09:10 |
|
chris |
:) |
09:12 |
|
chris |
im assuming the server doesnt have an ILOM eh slef? |
09:16 |
|
kf |
good morning #koha |
09:16 |
|
chris |
hi kf, get stuck in construction this morning? |
09:17 |
|
kf |
yes |
09:18 |
|
slef |
ILOM? |
09:18 |
|
kf |
undercrossing (?) was closed |
09:19 |
|
kf |
was already late... murphy's law |
09:20 |
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slef |
kf: undercrossing = subway? underpass? |
09:21 |
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chris |
integrated lights out manager .. fancy way of saying serial access to the server :) |
09:21 |
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kf |
train rails |
09:21 |
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chris |
well its a bit more than that, more like a remote kvm |
09:22 |
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kf |
had to look it up... german word would be 'unterführung' |
09:22 |
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slef |
kf: oh. I think it's something like a "flying crossing" (instead of a level crossing) |
09:22 |
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kf |
its under the rauls |
09:22 |
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kf |
rails |
09:22 |
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slef |
you on rails? |
09:23 |
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slef |
chris: kvmip or remote console |
09:23 |
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chris |
yeah like that, with a bunch of monitoring and remote power control and stuff as well |
09:23 |
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chris |
incredibly handy things |
09:24 |
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kf |
marc21 training bbl |
09:24 |
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chris |
ohh poor you kf |
09:25 |
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kf |
wish me luck ;) |
09:25 |
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chris |
good luck, take lots of chocolate :) |
09:26 |
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Amit |
hi kf |
09:36 |
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slef |
well, someone fixed the perl problem already |
09:36 |
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slef |
I didn't spot the installation in /usr/local |
09:36 |
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slef |
I wonder who did that :-/ |
09:37 |
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chris |
someone overzealous with cpan? |
09:42 |
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slef |
will it work? $DEITY knows |
09:49 |
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anasha |
chris are u arround? |
09:49 |
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chris |
yep |
09:49 |
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chris |
for about 10 more minutes |
09:50 |
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anasha |
i v sent mail at approvalskoha.org but no reply |
09:51 |
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chris |
i dont actually know who gets that mail unfortunately |
09:51 |
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anasha |
ooh |
09:51 |
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chris |
not me :) |
09:52 |
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anasha |
;) |
09:52 |
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anasha |
i asked just incase you guys who handle these metter |
09:53 |
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slef |
I thought that was going to chris :-/ |
09:53 |
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chris |
nope, not to me, or if its supposed to, its busted |
09:54 |
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slef |
want to mail or shall I? |
09:54 |
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slef |
(I'd prefer you did... I have an email axe grinding) |
09:55 |
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chris |
ill drop a mail now |
09:55 |
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anasha |
ok |
09:58 |
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anasha |
we have first OLPC meet in mumbai tomorrow |
09:58 |
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chris |
awesome |
09:58 |
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chris |
i work with martin langhoff |
09:58 |
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chris |
who works on sugar for OLPC |
09:59 |
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slef |
chris: I have one of your favourites on the radio here |
09:59 |
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slef |
I think you call them asshats |
09:59 |
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chris |
arsehats :) |
10:00 |
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slef |
"Let me ask everyone who's called up today who is against torture but isn't in favour of terrorism: if it was their children or their families... <CLICK of radio being shut off>" |
10:00 |
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chris |
ahh yep, best thing you could do |
10:01 |
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anasha |
chris: u are also involve with OLPC |
10:01 |
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chris |
only as a tester, not like martin |
10:01 |
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anasha |
so u work sugar? |
10:01 |
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anasha |
ok |
10:01 |
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chris |
nope, i just attend testing sessions occasionally |
10:02 |
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chris |
there are 113 of us at my work, we work on a wide range of things :) |
10:02 |
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anasha |
here it is taking a lift now |
10:03 |
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chris |
http://www.olpcnews.com/hardwa[…]ghoff_brin_1.html <-- martin |
10:03 |
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chris |
douglas bagnall who worked on koha in the early days, did some work on the school server too |
10:03 |
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chris |
its a small world :) |
10:04 |
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anasha |
very small |
10:10 |
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chris |
ok, time for sleep for me |
10:11 |
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anasha |
chris: good night |
10:16 |
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imp |
is it possible to enter hebrew in the right way into koha? (does it just depend on the users browser) |
10:36 |
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slef |
depends more on browser, I suspect |
10:37 |
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slef |
is hebrew right-to-left? |