Time  Nick        Message
10:37 slef        is hebrew right-to-left?
10:36 slef        depends more on browser, I suspect
10:16 imp         is it possible to enter hebrew in the right way into koha? (does it just depend on the users browser)
10:11 anasha      chris: good night
10:10 chris       ok, time for sleep for me
10:04 anasha      very small
10:03 chris       its a small world :)
10:03 chris       douglas bagnall who worked on koha in the early days, did some work on the school server too
10:03 chris       http://www.olpcnews.com/hardware/school_servers/martin_langhoff_brin_1.html  <-- martin
10:02 anasha      here it is taking a lift now
10:02 chris       there are 113 of us at my work, we work on a wide range of things :)
10:01 chris       nope, i just attend testing sessions occasionally
10:01 anasha      ok
10:01 anasha      so u work sugar?
10:01 chris       only as a tester, not like martin
10:01 anasha      chris: u are also involve with OLPC
10:00 chris       ahh yep, best thing you could do
10:00 slef        "Let me ask everyone who's called up today who is against torture but isn't in favour of terrorism: if it was their children or their families... <CLICK of radio being shut off>"
09:59 chris       arsehats :)
09:59 slef        I think you call them asshats
09:59 slef        chris: I have one of your favourites on the radio here
09:58 chris       who works on sugar for OLPC
09:58 chris       i work with martin langhoff
09:58 chris       awesome
09:58 anasha      we have first OLPC meet in mumbai tomorrow
09:55 anasha      ok
09:55 chris       ill drop a mail now
09:54 slef        (I'd prefer you did... I have an email axe grinding)
09:54 slef        want to mail or shall I?
09:53 chris       nope, not to me, or if its supposed to, its busted
09:53 slef        I thought that was going to chris :-/
09:52 anasha      i asked just incase you guys who handle these metter
09:52 anasha      ;)
09:51 chris       not me :)
09:51 anasha      ooh
09:51 chris       i dont actually know who gets that mail unfortunately
09:50 anasha      i v sent mail at approvals@koha.org but no reply
09:49 chris       for about 10 more minutes
09:49 chris       yep
09:49 anasha      chris are u arround?
09:42 slef        will it work?  $DEITY knows
09:37 chris       someone overzealous with cpan?
09:36 slef        I wonder who did that :-/
09:36 slef        I didn't spot the installation in /usr/local
09:36 slef        well, someone fixed the perl problem already
09:26 Amit        hi kf
09:25 chris       good luck, take lots of chocolate :)
09:25 kf          wish me luck ;)
09:24 chris       ohh poor you kf
09:24 kf          marc21 training bbl
09:23 chris       incredibly handy things
09:23 chris       yeah like that, with a bunch of monitoring and remote power control and stuff as well
09:23 slef        chris: kvmip or remote console
09:22 slef        you on rails?
09:22 kf          rails
09:22 kf          its under the rauls
09:22 slef        kf: oh. I think it's something like a "flying crossing" (instead of a level crossing)
09:22 kf          had to look it up... german word would be 'unterführung'
09:21 chris       well its a bit more than that, more like a remote kvm
09:21 kf          train rails
09:21 chris       integrated lights out manager .. fancy way of saying serial access to the server :)
09:20 slef        kf: undercrossing = subway? underpass?
09:19 kf          was already late... murphy's law
09:18 kf          undercrossing (?) was closed
09:18 slef        ILOM?
09:17 kf          yes
09:16 chris       hi kf, get stuck in construction this morning?
09:16 kf          good morning #koha
09:12 chris       im assuming the server doesnt have an ILOM eh slef?
09:10 chris       :)
09:10 chris       for i in `dpkg -l` do apt-get reinstall $i
09:02 chris       havent seen that before
09:02 chris       ouch
08:58 slef        Here's my current pain http://www.news.software.coop/paralysed-perl-package-problem/602/
08:41 chris       *nod*
08:40 nahuel      chris, just beginning the day
08:40 nahuel      chris, hi, fine
08:39 nicomo      :-)
08:39 nicomo      yeah Kivutar saw that one
08:39 Kivutar     "order your gallette des rois" :D
08:39 chris       hows the zebra traing going nahuel ?
08:36 chris       ohh good idea
08:35 nicomo      maybe you could do something a bit nicer for them in exchange for 1 yr free meals ;-)
08:33 chris       pdf for menu .. whats up with that
08:32 chris       yes, horrible
08:32 nicomo      and ugly web site
08:32 chris       and fresh and good food
08:32 chris       its a nice place, friendly staff
08:32 chris       :)
08:31 nicomo      i had one of those yesterday
08:31 nicomo      “Morteau� Sausage
08:31 nicomo      but the menu looks genuinely french though
08:31 nicomo      heh maybe
08:30 chris       maybe its some weird parisian thing :-)
08:30 chris       www.simplyparis.co.nz
08:30 nicomo      ah éclair : that's french all right
08:30 chris       heh yeah
08:30 nicomo      well : fancy name and all, but not french
08:30 chris       then i had an eclair
08:29 chris       it was a smoked chicken and sun dried tomato and some lettuce and mayonaisse in a roll
08:28 nicomo      chris: I'm not quite sure what a "landais" is
08:28 chris       landais .. is that right?
08:27 chris       so i had landais roll thing at the french bakery for lunch today
08:16 js          hello too
08:15 Kivutar     hello
08:15 chris       hi js and Kivutar
08:04 nicomo      hi chris
08:04 chris       hi nicomo
07:39 chris       Hi Elwell
07:33 Elwell      morning all.
06:37 brendan     Goodnight!
06:04 chris       yeah, it shouldnt have been pulled across into the 3.0.x branch
06:04 chris       http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/koha.git;a=summary
06:04 twb         FYI, you're not supposed to ship debian/ in tarballs of non-native packages.
06:03 twb         Righto
06:03 chris       ignore that
06:03 chris       oh yeah that was me playing around
06:02 twb         Hmm, there's already a debian/
05:57 chris       http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=389876 and the newer one
05:56 chris       http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=186958  the old one
05:55 chris       are the 2 on my floor
05:54 chris       andrew mcmillan, francios marier
05:54 twb         ISTR he's in .nz somewhere...
05:54 chris       nope
05:53 twb         Do you know Chris Double, too?
05:53 chris       there has been an itp for a long time
05:53 chris       we have 3 dd's at my work
05:53 chris       yep
05:53 twb         Sorry, I should ask first if you're familiar / involved in the Debian infrastructure at all.
05:52 twb         Is there an ITP for Koha yet?
05:52 chris       like ooffice etc do
05:51 chris       certainly in the debs, each language will be a sep package
05:51 chris       we have plans for that too
05:51 chris       yep
05:51 twb         Looks like most of the space is koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog
05:50 chris       http://translate.koha.org/projects/opac3_0/
05:50 twb         You should get a 60% to 80% compression of .po with lempel-ziv, though.
05:50 twb         chris: that's pretty impressive
05:49 chris       there is 60 meg of .po files alone
05:48 twb         Then you use rsvg-convert or similar in Makefile.PL to generate .png
05:47 twb         Bah, no SVGs?
05:47 chris       and images
05:46 chris       yeah, theres a bunch of .po files in there
05:46 chris       id even go to bzr
05:46 twb         Given you have 56MB tarballs, darcs would probably be too slow, though
05:46 chris       id take git or darcs over svn any day
05:46 chris       i dont mind darcs
05:45 twb         Speaking as Debian's Darcs maintainer, I'm not particularly impressed by git, either ;-)
05:45 chris       well first listed :)
05:45 ron         posisbly
05:45 chris       nope, would be a first
05:45 ron         hmm... no prisons listed (yet)
05:44 chris       i dont think i could ever go back to a centralised system after using a distributed one
05:44 ron         uh oh. another cvs war.
05:43 chris       yeah i was just using that as an opportunity to express my hatred of svn :)
05:43 twb         chris: re use of "trunk", I was speaking generally -- they might call it 1.0.rc4 or HEAD^ or whatever.
05:43 ron         meh, not as similar as I first thought. never mind
05:43 ron         I used to work with a Kohlhousen
05:42 chris       heh
05:42 twb         Heh, I first parsed as "Kohausers", some kind of Germanic thing.
05:42 chris       theres bound to be more, those are just the ones who have listed themselves
05:41 ron         wowzers
05:41 chris       http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohausers#oceania
05:41 chris       ahh righto
05:40 ron         sorry, 'correctioanl facility'
05:40 ron         a prison
05:40 chris       are you allowed to say what library its for?
05:39 ron         ;-)
05:39 ron         not spending my days in a library, that much is fer sure
05:39 chris       where have you been?? *grin*
05:38 ron         s/we/*I*/
05:38 ron         ;-)
05:38 ron         mate, we only just heard of koha a couple of days ago
05:37 chris       you guys going to kohacon? :-)
05:36 chris       master probably works fine, but its a moving target, if you are going to run it in a production environment stable is a much safer bet
05:35 chris       :)
05:34 ron         but you enjoy it, admit it
05:34 chris       yeah but if they say trunk, they are using svn, so i wouldnt trust a word they say
05:34 twb         (Usually AFTER I've spent two days trying to deploy it.)
05:34 twb         (Some projects say stuff like "oh noooooo, our stable is only for crazy people, use trunk".)
05:34 twb         Righto.
05:33 chris       thats the most recent stable
05:33 chris       yep
05:33 twb         chris: which version should I deploy on Ubuntu 8.04?  The 3.0.1 tarball?
04:37 Amit        good morning brendan
04:37 brendan     good evening Amit
04:37 Amit        hi brendan
04:29 brendan     heya all
04:05 chris       yeah
04:04 twb         Bleh, those mess up tab completion
04:00 chris       we had a bot that mirrored to freenode
03:59 chris       and katipo use it for their own stuff, as do hlt
03:59 chris       irc.katipo.co.nz /irc.citylink.co.nz predates both of them :)
03:58 twb         chris: btw, why don't you use Freenode or OFTC?
03:57 chris       hi amit
03:56 Amit        hi chris, mason
03:56 Amit        hi koha good mrng
03:51 chris       and apt-get all the modules it tells me are missing ;)
03:51 chris       i just run perl Makefile.PL
03:50 chris       wow,thats doing it the hard way
03:50 chris       http://www.blazingmoon.org/guides/k3-on-u810-1.html
03:49 chris       ahh its for intrepid
03:45 chris       actually i think there is an ubuntu one on the wiki
03:41 twb         Righto
03:40 chris       we have .opensuse and .fedora7
03:39 chris       be good to do an INSTALL.ubuntu-hardy
03:39 ron         twb: it looks like you will be  ;-)
03:38 twb         OK, I'll git-format-email the differences if I end up doing a deployment for Ubuntu 8.04
03:35 chris       same as the rest of koha
03:35 chris       yep git
03:35 twb         *VCS
03:34 twb         chris: is that INSTALL.debian under version control?  If so, which VC?
03:34 chris       but where it says cpan, get it from a .deb instead
03:34 ron         twb: hahaha
03:34 chris       pretty much follow the INSTALL.debian file
03:34 twb         AFAICT Twitter is blogging for people with ADHD.
03:33 ron         I did get an email from his yesterday, he is interested in getting involved in my request for debs
03:33 ron         he gives no details though
03:33 ron         righto
03:33 chris       yeah you have been able to do it for a little while i think its the first time he has done an install with only debs
03:32 ron         chris: only just now saw the link you pasted re mjray's deb efforts
03:23 ron         yow. blink and you miss him
02:45 chris       drive by
02:43 schuster    Galen - have you had a chance to load the overdues on Plano production?
01:34 chris       yep
01:34 twb         So having official .debs for all the dependencies is a Good Thing.
01:33 twb         chris: yeah, I just want to avoid local packaging where it's not necessary (because then you need to maintain those packages).
01:32 chris       heya richard :)
01:32 richard     hi all
01:31 chris       dh-make-perl is your friend if there are any that arent in hardy (or cant be installed from lenny)
01:30 twb         OK, cool.
01:30 chris       that documentation was for etch
01:29 chris       yeah they are pretty much all in lenny
01:29 chris       http://twitter.com/mjray/status/1315937758
01:27 twb         An important datapoint is that the target environment is Ubuntu 8.04, so package versions will not be as new as Squeeze or Sid.
01:27 chris       yep
01:27 twb         Is that documentation out of date?
01:27 ron         chris: twb is working with me on this project
01:27 twb         ...the documentation I saw indicated that a number of perl libraries were not new enough in apt, and had to be updated via cpan.
01:27 chris       yep
01:27 twb         <chris> so even without a koha package, you can apt-get all the dependencies, then perl Makefile.PL; make; make install
01:26 twb         ron: hi.
01:26 ron         howdy twb
01:24 ron         hmm
01:24 chris       and run the web installer
01:23 ron         oh, ok
01:23 chris       so even without a koha package, you can apt-get all the dependencies, then perl Makefile.PL; make; make install
01:23 ron         s/wich/wish
01:23 ron         ;-)
01:23 ron         just wich he'd respond to my email
01:23 ron         cool
01:23 chris       the nice thing is, vincent has managed to get all the dependencies packaged
01:22 chris       definitely
01:22 chris       :)
01:22 ron         would the devs likely accept any patches required for such a deb pkg?
01:21 ron         but dammit, I wants my deb pkg. :)
01:21 chris       that have been answered lots of times, having a faq to point them to would be handy
01:21 ron         presumably repeated qns
01:21 ron         yep
01:21 chris       there are lot of questions that get asked on the mailing list
01:20 chris       if i had time id do a new FAQ
01:20 chris       :)
01:20 ron         but hardly surprising, I guess, considering the audience. ;-)
01:19 ron         it's great to see how comprehensive the wiki/doco is for koha
01:19 ron         :)
01:18 chris       from the wonderful atz
01:18 chris       http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:ldap
01:18 ron         That leaves me with one final hurdle; waiting for a response from the deb packager
01:18 ron         beaut.
01:17 chris       yep on the wiki
01:17 ron         there's a howto somewhere covering this?
01:17 chris       hmm too many buts in that sentence
01:17 chris       its a little bit mickey moose, you have to jump through a few hoops to get it going, but its getting better all the time, but once its going its sweet
01:17 ron         my target environment is running openldap on ubuntu 8.04
01:16 ron         very slick that it *can* use LDAP
01:16 ron         yeah, it makes sense that it defaults to using its own db
01:16 chris       naw, just talks directly to the ldap server
01:16 chris       lots of places dont use LDAP (most public libraries)
01:16 ron         via PAM?
01:16 ron         awesome
01:13 chris       its backened with encrypted passwords stored in the db by default, but yes it can use LDAP too
01:12 ron         What is Koha's auth backend? Can it plug into LDAP?
23:18 pianohacker night all
19:35 chris       http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohacon2009#things_to_see_and_do
19:28 chris       cool
19:25 schuster    Thanks Chris...  I'll try and get some more information about "things to do" in the next couple of days.
19:24 chris       schuster: im working on that page right now :)
19:22 schuster    Great thanks that worked!
19:19 owen        schuster: try adding a made-up parameter to force your browser to grab a new version: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohacon2009&something=blue
19:17 schuster    Still doing strange things...
19:17 schuster    http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohacon2009
19:03 chris       sweet
19:02 kados       also, we're going to be moving it to another server shortly, so stay tuned for that, we'll announce it on-list beforehand
19:02 chris       ta
19:01 kados       wiki.koha.org should be back up, but if you're using firefox it may be cacheing it as down and you may need to restart
18:37 valczir     woohoo?
18:37 gmcharlt    PHP library config glitch on the server hosting it
18:36 valczir     so ... what happened to wiki.koha.org?
18:36 chris       sweet
18:35 gmcharlt    cfouts is working on it
18:35 gmcharlt    sorry, yes
18:35 chris       wiki still down for others?
18:35 chris       hmmmm
18:24 pianohacker kados: around?
18:01 gmcharlt    schuster: ok, indexing done
18:00 schuster    Galen, hmmm problem?  ISBN - 038590890 - didn't match the existing record in production.
17:40 schuster    ok just trying to figure out when I need to panic!
17:40 gmcharlt    schuster: about another 10 minutes or so with ~7000 records
17:39 schuster    Galen, how long do I need to wait for the records to show up?
16:40 owen        Hmm... not working for me either
16:26 fredericd   wiki.koha.org is down
16:26 fredericd   hello
16:19 mc          same pb with macports and /opt/local
16:17 slef        (my zebra modules are in /sw not /usr)
16:16 slef        both launchd and koha's zebra configs bite me every update
16:16 mc          i had some hard time with launchd :)
16:14 slef        no, it is using apple perl
16:14 slef        mine's using apple perl
16:14 mc          :)
16:13 slef        arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh
16:13 slef        I think it may be a perl path problem that I have
16:12 mc          slef, note that i use macports so you have to fix the perl path
16:11 mc          it was already online in fact: http://mc.koha-fr.org/mac/ports/
16:08 slef        mc, thanks
16:07 mc          slef, i read and put my plist in the web in few minutes
16:02 slef        thanks!
16:02 paul_p      (he's not on the channel, should arrive soon)
16:02 paul_p      slef : beeping khatar. He could answer your question about mac OS
15:53 slef        Is anyone running rebuild_zebra from launchd and if so, can I see your plist? Mine appears incorrect.
15:29 slef        kohabug 3032 if anyone cares
15:29 slef        updated the bug subject to make it clearer
15:27 slef        it appears to be localised to one system - not reproducible on our test servers
15:27 liz_nekls   bless you good sir (owen))
15:27 slef        in other news, I've got one koha that updates its zebra if you do a full rebuild_zebra but not if you run it with -z... still trying to nail that one down, but has anyone seen a similar problem
15:25 owen        (or I can)
15:25 slef        reopened with question, yep
15:25 owen        I hope you'll revise the bug and explain my mistake.
15:25 owen        Ah!
15:24 slef        some users, not all users
15:24 owen        What'd I miss?
15:24 owen        Oh, sorry!
15:24 slef        owen: I think that was a bit of a hasty INVALID there.
14:56 liz_nekls   k, no hurry. Thanks. :)
14:53 owen        Yeah, I'll re-post it there shortly.
14:51 liz_nekls   http://www.myacpl.org/koha/ ?
14:51 liz_nekls   i think I found the blog where it's *supposed* to be
14:50 owen        No, I should certainly know if it's gone missing!
14:49 liz_nekls   erf, sorry to bring it up
14:49 owen        Hmm... and I may need to repost it. It's not coming up now.
14:48 owen        Yeah, that article was posted before I set up the blog.
14:48 liz_nekls   and if you do, may I have it >.>
14:48 liz_nekls   owen: i'm looking at your upcoming titles page, but I swear you had a blog post about how you did it somewhere... but I can't find it for the life of me. Do you have a link to it?
14:42 owen        kados around?
13:07 owen        Hi paul_p
13:04 paul_p      good morning
13:04 paul_p      hello owen
12:46 owen        Thanks nicomo
12:44 nicomo      http://www.biblibre.com/node/122
12:44 nicomo      owen: i did an english version of our original, french blog post about sopac and koha