Time Nick Message 12:44 nicomo owen: i did an english version of our original, french blog post about sopac and koha 12:44 nicomo http://www.biblibre.com/node/122 12:46 owen Thanks nicomo 13:04 paul_p hello owen 13:04 paul_p good morning 13:07 owen Hi paul_p 14:42 owen kados around? 14:48 liz_nekls owen: i'm looking at your upcoming titles page, but I swear you had a blog post about how you did it somewhere... but I can't find it for the life of me. Do you have a link to it? 14:48 liz_nekls and if you do, may I have it >.> 14:48 owen Yeah, that article was posted before I set up the blog. 14:49 owen Hmm... and I may need to repost it. It's not coming up now. 14:49 liz_nekls erf, sorry to bring it up 14:50 owen No, I should certainly know if it's gone missing! 14:51 liz_nekls i think I found the blog where it's *supposed* to be 14:51 liz_nekls http://www.myacpl.org/koha/ ? 14:53 owen Yeah, I'll re-post it there shortly. 14:56 liz_nekls k, no hurry. Thanks. :) 15:24 slef owen: I think that was a bit of a hasty INVALID there. 15:24 owen Oh, sorry! 15:24 owen What'd I miss? 15:24 slef some users, not all users 15:25 owen Ah! 15:25 owen I hope you'll revise the bug and explain my mistake. 15:25 slef reopened with question, yep 15:25 owen (or I can) 15:27 slef in other news, I've got one koha that updates its zebra if you do a full rebuild_zebra but not if you run it with -z... still trying to nail that one down, but has anyone seen a similar problem 15:27 liz_nekls bless you good sir (owen)) 15:27 slef it appears to be localised to one system - not reproducible on our test servers 15:29 slef updated the bug subject to make it clearer 15:29 slef kohabug 3032 if anyone cares 15:53 slef Is anyone running rebuild_zebra from launchd and if so, can I see your plist? Mine appears incorrect. 16:02 paul_p slef : beeping khatar. He could answer your question about mac OS 16:02 paul_p (he's not on the channel, should arrive soon) 16:02 slef thanks! 16:07 mc slef, i read and put my plist in the web in few minutes 16:08 slef mc, thanks 16:11 mc it was already online in fact: http://mc.koha-fr.org/mac/ports/ 16:12 mc slef, note that i use macports so you have to fix the perl path 16:13 slef I think it may be a perl path problem that I have 16:13 slef arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh 16:14 mc :) 16:14 slef mine's using apple perl 16:14 slef no, it is using apple perl 16:16 mc i had some hard time with launchd :) 16:16 slef both launchd and koha's zebra configs bite me every update 16:17 slef (my zebra modules are in /sw not /usr) 16:19 mc same pb with macports and /opt/local 16:26 fredericd hello 16:26 fredericd wiki.koha.org is down 16:40 owen Hmm... not working for me either 17:39 schuster Galen, how long do I need to wait for the records to show up? 17:40 gmcharlt schuster: about another 10 minutes or so with ~7000 records 17:40 schuster ok just trying to figure out when I need to panic! 18:00 schuster Galen, hmmm problem? ISBN - 038590890 - didn't match the existing record in production. 18:01 gmcharlt schuster: ok, indexing done 18:24 pianohacker kados: around? 18:35 chris hmmmm 18:35 chris wiki still down for others? 18:35 gmcharlt sorry, yes 18:35 gmcharlt cfouts is working on it 18:36 chris sweet 18:36 valczir so ... what happened to wiki.koha.org? 18:37 gmcharlt PHP library config glitch on the server hosting it 18:37 valczir woohoo? 19:01 kados wiki.koha.org should be back up, but if you're using firefox it may be cacheing it as down and you may need to restart 19:02 chris ta 19:02 kados also, we're going to be moving it to another server shortly, so stay tuned for that, we'll announce it on-list beforehand 19:03 chris sweet 19:17 schuster http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohacon2009 19:17 schuster Still doing strange things... 19:19 owen schuster: try adding a made-up parameter to force your browser to grab a new version: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohacon2009&something=blue 19:22 schuster Great thanks that worked! 19:24 chris schuster: im working on that page right now :) 19:25 schuster Thanks Chris... I'll try and get some more information about "things to do" in the next couple of days. 19:28 chris cool 19:35 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohacon2009#things_to_see_and_do 23:18 pianohacker night all 01:12 ron What is Koha's auth backend? Can it plug into LDAP? 01:13 chris its backened with encrypted passwords stored in the db by default, but yes it can use LDAP too 01:16 ron awesome 01:16 ron via PAM? 01:16 chris lots of places dont use LDAP (most public libraries) 01:16 chris naw, just talks directly to the ldap server 01:16 ron yeah, it makes sense that it defaults to using its own db 01:16 ron very slick that it *can* use LDAP 01:17 ron my target environment is running openldap on ubuntu 8.04 01:17 chris its a little bit mickey moose, you have to jump through a few hoops to get it going, but its getting better all the time, but once its going its sweet 01:17 chris hmm too many buts in that sentence 01:17 ron there's a howto somewhere covering this? 01:17 chris yep on the wiki 01:18 ron beaut. 01:18 ron That leaves me with one final hurdle; waiting for a response from the deb packager 01:18 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:ldap 01:18 chris from the wonderful atz 01:19 ron :) 01:19 ron it's great to see how comprehensive the wiki/doco is for koha 01:20 ron but hardly surprising, I guess, considering the audience. ;-) 01:20 chris :) 01:20 chris if i had time id do a new FAQ 01:21 chris there are lot of questions that get asked on the mailing list 01:21 ron yep 01:21 ron presumably repeated qns 01:21 chris that have been answered lots of times, having a faq to point them to would be handy 01:21 ron but dammit, I wants my deb pkg. :) 01:22 ron would the devs likely accept any patches required for such a deb pkg? 01:22 chris :) 01:22 chris definitely 01:23 chris the nice thing is, vincent has managed to get all the dependencies packaged 01:23 ron cool 01:23 ron just wich he'd respond to my email 01:23 ron ;-) 01:23 ron s/wich/wish 01:23 chris so even without a koha package, you can apt-get all the dependencies, then perl Makefile.PL; make; make install 01:23 ron oh, ok 01:24 chris and run the web installer 01:24 ron hmm 01:26 ron howdy twb 01:26 twb ron: hi. 01:27 twb <chris> so even without a koha package, you can apt-get all the dependencies, then perl Makefile.PL; make; make install 01:27 chris yep 01:27 twb ...the documentation I saw indicated that a number of perl libraries were not new enough in apt, and had to be updated via cpan. 01:27 ron chris: twb is working with me on this project 01:27 twb Is that documentation out of date? 01:27 chris yep 01:27 twb An important datapoint is that the target environment is Ubuntu 8.04, so package versions will not be as new as Squeeze or Sid. 01:29 chris http://twitter.com/mjray/status/1315937758 01:29 chris yeah they are pretty much all in lenny 01:30 chris that documentation was for etch 01:30 twb OK, cool. 01:31 chris dh-make-perl is your friend if there are any that arent in hardy (or cant be installed from lenny) 01:32 richard hi all 01:32 chris heya richard :) 01:33 twb chris: yeah, I just want to avoid local packaging where it's not necessary (because then you need to maintain those packages). 01:34 twb So having official .debs for all the dependencies is a Good Thing. 01:34 chris yep 02:43 schuster Galen - have you had a chance to load the overdues on Plano production? 02:45 chris drive by 03:23 ron yow. blink and you miss him 03:32 ron chris: only just now saw the link you pasted re mjray's deb efforts 03:33 chris yeah you have been able to do it for a little while i think its the first time he has done an install with only debs 03:33 ron righto 03:33 ron he gives no details though 03:33 ron I did get an email from his yesterday, he is interested in getting involved in my request for debs 03:34 twb AFAICT Twitter is blogging for people with ADHD. 03:34 chris pretty much follow the INSTALL.debian file 03:34 ron twb: hahaha 03:34 chris but where it says cpan, get it from a .deb instead 03:34 twb chris: is that INSTALL.debian under version control? If so, which VC? 03:35 twb *VCS 03:35 chris yep git 03:35 chris same as the rest of koha 03:38 twb OK, I'll git-format-email the differences if I end up doing a deployment for Ubuntu 8.04 03:39 ron twb: it looks like you will be ;-) 03:39 chris be good to do an INSTALL.ubuntu-hardy 03:40 chris we have .opensuse and .fedora7 03:41 twb Righto 03:45 chris actually i think there is an ubuntu one on the wiki 03:49 chris ahh its for intrepid 03:50 chris http://www.blazingmoon.org/guides/k3-on-u810-1.html 03:50 chris wow,thats doing it the hard way 03:51 chris i just run perl Makefile.PL 03:51 chris and apt-get all the modules it tells me are missing ;) 03:56 Amit hi koha good mrng 03:56 Amit hi chris, mason 03:57 chris hi amit 03:58 twb chris: btw, why don't you use Freenode or OFTC? 03:59 chris irc.katipo.co.nz /irc.citylink.co.nz predates both of them :) 03:59 chris and katipo use it for their own stuff, as do hlt 04:00 chris we had a bot that mirrored to freenode 04:04 twb Bleh, those mess up tab completion 04:05 chris yeah 04:29 brendan heya all 04:37 Amit hi brendan 04:37 brendan good evening Amit 04:37 Amit good morning brendan 05:33 twb chris: which version should I deploy on Ubuntu 8.04? The 3.0.1 tarball? 05:33 chris yep 05:33 chris thats the most recent stable 05:34 twb Righto. 05:34 twb (Some projects say stuff like "oh noooooo, our stable is only for crazy people, use trunk".) 05:34 twb (Usually AFTER I've spent two days trying to deploy it.) 05:34 chris yeah but if they say trunk, they are using svn, so i wouldnt trust a word they say 05:34 ron but you enjoy it, admit it 05:35 chris :) 05:36 chris master probably works fine, but its a moving target, if you are going to run it in a production environment stable is a much safer bet 05:37 chris you guys going to kohacon? :-) 05:38 ron mate, we only just heard of koha a couple of days ago 05:38 ron ;-) 05:38 ron s/we/*I*/ 05:39 chris where have you been?? *grin* 05:39 ron not spending my days in a library, that much is fer sure 05:39 ron ;-) 05:40 chris are you allowed to say what library its for? 05:40 ron a prison 05:40 ron sorry, 'correctioanl facility' 05:41 chris ahh righto 05:41 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohausers#oceania 05:41 ron wowzers 05:42 chris theres bound to be more, those are just the ones who have listed themselves 05:42 twb Heh, I first parsed as "Kohausers", some kind of Germanic thing. 05:42 chris heh 05:43 ron I used to work with a Kohlhousen 05:43 ron meh, not as similar as I first thought. never mind 05:43 twb chris: re use of "trunk", I was speaking generally -- they might call it 1.0.rc4 or HEAD^ or whatever. 05:43 chris yeah i was just using that as an opportunity to express my hatred of svn :) 05:44 ron uh oh. another cvs war. 05:44 chris i dont think i could ever go back to a centralised system after using a distributed one 05:45 ron hmm... no prisons listed (yet) 05:45 chris nope, would be a first 05:45 ron posisbly 05:45 chris well first listed :) 05:45 twb Speaking as Debian's Darcs maintainer, I'm not particularly impressed by git, either ;-) 05:46 chris i dont mind darcs 05:46 chris id take git or darcs over svn any day 05:46 twb Given you have 56MB tarballs, darcs would probably be too slow, though 05:46 chris id even go to bzr 05:46 chris yeah, theres a bunch of .po files in there 05:47 chris and images 05:47 twb Bah, no SVGs? 05:48 twb Then you use rsvg-convert or similar in Makefile.PL to generate .png 05:49 chris there is 60 meg of .po files alone 05:50 twb chris: that's pretty impressive 05:50 twb You should get a 60% to 80% compression of .po with lempel-ziv, though. 05:50 chris http://translate.koha.org/projects/opac3_0/ 05:51 twb Looks like most of the space is koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog 05:51 chris yep 05:51 chris we have plans for that too 05:51 chris certainly in the debs, each language will be a sep package 05:52 chris like ooffice etc do 05:52 twb Is there an ITP for Koha yet? 05:53 twb Sorry, I should ask first if you're familiar / involved in the Debian infrastructure at all. 05:53 chris yep 05:53 chris we have 3 dd's at my work 05:53 chris there has been an itp for a long time 05:53 twb Do you know Chris Double, too? 05:54 chris nope 05:54 twb ISTR he's in .nz somewhere... 05:54 chris andrew mcmillan, francios marier 05:55 chris are the 2 on my floor 05:56 chris http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=186958 the old one 05:57 chris http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=389876 and the newer one 06:02 twb Hmm, there's already a debian/ 06:03 chris oh yeah that was me playing around 06:03 chris ignore that 06:03 twb Righto 06:04 twb FYI, you're not supposed to ship debian/ in tarballs of non-native packages. 06:04 chris http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/koha.git;a=summary 06:04 chris yeah, it shouldnt have been pulled across into the 3.0.x branch 06:37 brendan Goodnight! 07:33 Elwell morning all. 07:39 chris Hi Elwell 08:04 chris hi nicomo 08:04 nicomo hi chris 08:15 chris hi js and Kivutar 08:15 Kivutar hello 08:16 js hello too 08:27 chris so i had landais roll thing at the french bakery for lunch today 08:28 chris landais .. is that right? 08:28 nicomo chris: I'm not quite sure what a "landais" is 08:29 chris it was a smoked chicken and sun dried tomato and some lettuce and mayonaisse in a roll 08:30 chris then i had an eclair 08:30 nicomo well : fancy name and all, but not french 08:30 chris heh yeah 08:30 nicomo ah éclair : that's french all right 08:30 chris www.simplyparis.co.nz 08:30 chris maybe its some weird parisian thing :-) 08:31 nicomo heh maybe 08:31 nicomo but the menu looks genuinely french though 08:31 nicomo “Morteau� Sausage 08:31 nicomo i had one of those yesterday 08:32 chris :) 08:32 chris its a nice place, friendly staff 08:32 chris and fresh and good food 08:32 nicomo and ugly web site 08:32 chris yes, horrible 08:33 chris pdf for menu .. whats up with that 08:35 nicomo maybe you could do something a bit nicer for them in exchange for 1 yr free meals ;-) 08:36 chris ohh good idea 08:39 chris hows the zebra traing going nahuel ? 08:39 Kivutar "order your gallette des rois" :D 08:39 nicomo yeah Kivutar saw that one 08:39 nicomo :-) 08:40 nahuel chris, hi, fine 08:40 nahuel chris, just beginning the day 08:41 chris *nod* 08:58 slef Here's my current pain http://www.news.software.coop/paralysed-perl-package-problem/602/ 09:02 chris ouch 09:02 chris havent seen that before 09:10 chris for i in `dpkg -l` do apt-get reinstall $i 09:10 chris :) 09:12 chris im assuming the server doesnt have an ILOM eh slef? 09:16 kf good morning #koha 09:16 chris hi kf, get stuck in construction this morning? 09:17 kf yes 09:18 slef ILOM? 09:18 kf undercrossing (?) was closed 09:19 kf was already late... murphy's law 09:20 slef kf: undercrossing = subway? underpass? 09:21 chris integrated lights out manager .. fancy way of saying serial access to the server :) 09:21 kf train rails 09:21 chris well its a bit more than that, more like a remote kvm 09:22 kf had to look it up... german word would be 'unterführung' 09:22 slef kf: oh. I think it's something like a "flying crossing" (instead of a level crossing) 09:22 kf its under the rauls 09:22 kf rails 09:22 slef you on rails? 09:23 slef chris: kvmip or remote console 09:23 chris yeah like that, with a bunch of monitoring and remote power control and stuff as well 09:23 chris incredibly handy things 09:24 kf marc21 training bbl 09:24 chris ohh poor you kf 09:25 kf wish me luck ;) 09:25 chris good luck, take lots of chocolate :) 09:26 Amit hi kf 09:36 slef well, someone fixed the perl problem already 09:36 slef I didn't spot the installation in /usr/local 09:36 slef I wonder who did that :-/ 09:37 chris someone overzealous with cpan? 09:42 slef will it work? $DEITY knows 09:49 anasha chris are u arround? 09:49 chris yep 09:49 chris for about 10 more minutes 09:50 anasha i v sent mail at approvals@koha.org but no reply 09:51 chris i dont actually know who gets that mail unfortunately 09:51 anasha ooh 09:51 chris not me :) 09:52 anasha ;) 09:52 anasha i asked just incase you guys who handle these metter 09:53 slef I thought that was going to chris :-/ 09:53 chris nope, not to me, or if its supposed to, its busted 09:54 slef want to mail or shall I? 09:54 slef (I'd prefer you did... I have an email axe grinding) 09:55 chris ill drop a mail now 09:55 anasha ok 09:58 anasha we have first OLPC meet in mumbai tomorrow 09:58 chris awesome 09:58 chris i work with martin langhoff 09:58 chris who works on sugar for OLPC 09:59 slef chris: I have one of your favourites on the radio here 09:59 slef I think you call them asshats 09:59 chris arsehats :) 10:00 slef "Let me ask everyone who's called up today who is against torture but isn't in favour of terrorism: if it was their children or their families... <CLICK of radio being shut off>" 10:00 chris ahh yep, best thing you could do 10:01 anasha chris: u are also involve with OLPC 10:01 chris only as a tester, not like martin 10:01 anasha so u work sugar? 10:01 anasha ok 10:01 chris nope, i just attend testing sessions occasionally 10:02 chris there are 113 of us at my work, we work on a wide range of things :) 10:02 anasha here it is taking a lift now 10:03 chris http://www.olpcnews.com/hardware/school_servers/martin_langhoff_brin_1.html <-- martin 10:03 chris douglas bagnall who worked on koha in the early days, did some work on the school server too 10:03 chris its a small world :) 10:04 anasha very small 10:10 chris ok, time for sleep for me 10:11 anasha chris: good night 10:16 imp is it possible to enter hebrew in the right way into koha? (does it just depend on the users browser) 10:36 slef depends more on browser, I suspect 10:37 slef is hebrew right-to-left?