IRC log for #koha, 2022-07-07

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00:01 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D12 build #197: UNSTABLE in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D12/197/
00:03 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master build #2099: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/2099/
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00:42 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U22 build #123: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U22/123/
01:00 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #474: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U20/474/
01:13 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master build #2100: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/2100/
03:16 wajasu finally. got a packer script to build debian11, with all the install steps, plus koha-restore my database backup if desired (so no webinstaller/onboarding)
03:18 wajasu this way i can work through, then when done, mysqldump that db to be reloaded as needed.
03:24 wajasu now to cleanup mysql increment records.
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04:13 wajasu using koha-remove library  in my test box 22.05 debian 11.  it fails to remove the daemon for long tasks, thus fails userdel library-koha.
04:13 wajasu so i do it manually with a kill for the daemon and then userdel.
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06:16 marcelr o/
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06:53 ashimema morning
06:53 ashimema wow that was a long meeting last night
07:06 marcelr hi ashimema
07:06 marcelr long meeting?
07:06 ashimema Last night's Dev meeting
07:07 ashimema I left when I fell asleep but reading back it went on for a while after
07:07 ashimema Your lists stuff is still on my list btw.  Just been fighting a few fires here so haven't had a chance
07:10 marcelr davidnind++ signed off now, so your qa is highly welcome
07:10 ashimema Excellent
07:10 wahanui darn tootin' it is.
07:10 marcelr read the logs, LTS discussions again
07:10 ashimema Yup
07:11 ashimema I don't know where I stand really.. in not against it.. but if we do do it I think we need to do it properly and I'm not sure about showing the team even thinner
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07:13 ashimema So personally I'd rather see commitment to testing and quality assurance roles with proper time allocated to then than someone commit to an LTS rmaint role
07:13 marcelr sounds good to me
07:14 marcelr staff shortage everywhere
07:15 ashimema Indeed
07:16 ashimema On that front, I intend to try and blitz the NSO queue a bit today.. lots of majors in there
07:17 marcelr ashimema++
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07:18 ashimema hi crazycatlady
07:19 ashimema Wow, it's somewhat distracting at the moment with UK politics.. I keep getting pinged as yet another minister resignation hits the news.. 50 resignations from parliament and counting
07:20 ashimema They seem to have finally woken up to what a baboon our prime minister is
07:20 marcelr it seems that there is no shortage on new candidates there :)
07:21 ashimema Maybe, I dunno.. think he's running out of people to replace them with now
07:22 ashimema Who knows what's next though.. I'm not a big fan of anyone who might take over either..
07:34 paulderscheid[m] Morning #Koha
07:39 paulderscheid[m] I really hope you'll get rid of Boris ashimema
07:39 paulderscheid[m] But politicians will always be politicians
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07:45 cait hello #koha
07:45 marcelr o/
07:46 cait hi marcelr - thx  for the work on 2FA - that one looks a little scary from your comments :)
07:46 marcelr it isnt that bad
07:58 cait oleonard_: ping! :)
10:00 ashimema what bootstrap version are we actually using on the opac..
10:00 * ashimema can't seem to find it in the source
10:22 paulderscheid[m] Great question
10:23 paulderscheid[m] Seems that all classes of 3.4.1 are there, but from 4 or above are missing
10:24 paulderscheid[m] * there, but some from 4
10:30 paulderscheid[m] <paulderscheid[m]> "Seems that all classes of 3.4...." <- This was wrong
10:30 paulderscheid[m] I'm using stuff from 4.6 in a component on 21.05 so that must be the minimum
10:32 paulderscheid[m] I think it's 4.6
10:33 paulderscheid[m] 5.2 components don't work
10:48 cait maybe also a question for oleonard later
11:04 tcohen hola #koha
11:04 ashimema mmm
11:05 ashimema I'll ask the UI master later
11:05 ashimema morning tcohen
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11:32 marcelr o/
11:35 paulderscheid[m] Boris is gone?
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11:43 ashimema yup
11:48 ashimema well..
11:48 ashimema from leader of the party.. he'll be PM for some time to come whilst it gets sorted ot.
11:49 paulderscheid[m] just heard
12:03 tcohen oh
12:04 tcohen hi marcelr
12:04 marcelr tcohen: hola
12:04 wahanui kia ora, marcelr
12:04 tcohen qa_team
12:05 tcohen we need help with those reports of upgrade failures
12:20 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #721: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/721/
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13:03 paulderscheid[m] I'm just looking at the sysprefs for the opac. What do I have to do for new themes to show up in 'opacthemes'?
13:04 paulderscheid[m] To elaborate, does it scan directories or something else?
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13:17 davidnind[m] paulderscheid: I don't know anything about creating a custom theme replacement for the OPAC theme named bootstrap, but I just copied koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap to koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/mytheme, changed the file permissions, then it appeared as an option for opacthemes
13:18 paulderscheid[m] Thanks. Should've tried that as well. I just created an empty directory and nothing happened.
13:34 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_ES7 build #7: SUCCESS in 8 min 27 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Master_D11_ES7/7/
13:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_ES6 build #5: SUCCESS in 6 min 58 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Master_D11_ES6/5/
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13:54 marcelr tcohen: Do you use the rel_22_11_candidate keyword ?
13:54 tcohen marcelr: I do, but I've been trying to catch up with the QA queue
13:55 tcohen something specific you wanted to point out marcelr?¿
13:55 tcohen I already have my eyes on the list bugs
13:58 cait paulderscheid[m]: in theory you can just replace some templates - a partial copy might work too
13:59 paulderscheid[m] Thanks cait, it does.
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14:20 marcelr tcohen: no, but if you want help on upgrade reports, you should list them too with that keyword ?
14:21 marcelr all enh now
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15:20 paulderscheid[m] ashimema: The bootstrap version in the package.json is 4.5.2 btw. Some components aren't imported, though. Look at _common.scss for reference.
15:23 cait oleonard_: around?
15:31 ashimema Is he off this week too perhaps
15:32 ashimema Lots of bywater are.. maybe he also took advantage of the extra day begining of the week
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15:38 cait possible :)
15:38 cait but he woudl know why and how we did things there
15:45 ashimema For OPAC or Staff though paulderscheid
15:46 ashimema I'm pretty sure they differ
15:46 paulderscheid[m] OPAC ashimema
15:46 ashimema Oh well
15:46 ashimema But thanks for pointing that one out.. it's another place I'd missed
15:46 paulderscheid[m] If I'm not mistaken the staff uses the prog theme
15:46 ashimema That it does.. but it's still bootstrap CSS ;)
15:47 paulderscheid[m] ashimema: correct
15:47 ashimema I'm intrigued by your theme thoughts btw.. we're mostly moving away from OPAC at ptfs-e.. everyone wants Aspen or other discovery instead
15:48 paulderscheid[m] I'm constantly thinking about it ^^
15:50 cait my impression is that libraries quite like the OPAC around here
15:51 cait heard good things from paulderscheid[m]'s libraries too (their OPACs have some nice features for publics)
15:51 paulderscheid[m] That's also correct cait ^^
15:51 tcohen latert y'all
15:52 cait ;)
15:53 cait paulderscheid[m]: was wondering, I recently stumbled on one with an interesting accessibility feature (could change the font and such from a dialog) - is that a free javascript library or something?
15:54 paulderscheid[m] Is the design black & yellow?
15:54 cait could be?
15:54 cait i should have stored the link
15:56 ashimema We did that for UAL
15:57 ashimema Dyslexia action had some fun accessibility stuff too
15:57 ashimema But I think they dropped most of it at the last upgrade
15:58 ashimema It was too dyslexia specific so broke a bunch of accessibility for others
16:00 paulderscheid[m] The accessibility widgets are licensed and proprietary, I think.
16:01 paulderscheid[m] I guess that the libraries choose their own.
16:04 cait paulderscheid[m]: i thought they might be, maybe still soemthing to think about and look for free options
16:05 cait time to go home :) bye all
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16:06 paulderscheid[m] You're right. It's especially important for the EU, regarding tenders (Ausschreibungen).
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19:35 caroline_crazycatlady What is the difference between recalls and reserves? I've never worked in a library that had something other than reserves, I'm trying to understand the circulation rules regarding recalls
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20:23 cait caroline_crazycatlady: maybe start with the wiki page, but I haven't fully grasped it yet either
20:24 cait although there are differnces lke it forces people to return earlier I think
20:25 caroline_crazycatlady From what I read, I think it would be in cases where there are no due dates or something, so people keep the books as long as they want, but if someone else wants it, they get a due date (I would understand it for like professors)
20:25 caroline_crazycatlady It's very vague, but that's the use I would see for that
20:28 caroline_crazycatlady I don't really imagine something like that in public libraries... Some wise kid would definitely recall things for no reason just to spite people XD
21:03 cait I am not sure, I thought it was also used in a public library
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21:10 cait @later tell tuxayo I've updated the calc with the 4 maints example (
21:10 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
21:11 davidnind[m] The way it was explained to me when I tested the bug, is that it was something some universities use - some have rules that let them borrow books for a longer time frame (say the semester, or a year, or even no return date), and if someone was doing their thesis and needed a book they could place a recall: the book would need to be returned within a set period and issued to whomever requested it
21:12 davidnind[m] I thought it sounded a bit "crazy" myself.... but apparently it is a thing for some higher education institutions
21:12 davidnind[m] As you say, not something you would see in a normal public library
21:15 cait caroline_crazycatlady: changing the saved search is tricky
21:16 cait davidnind[m]: it usually works a bit different
21:16 cait normally the library requests the recall, not the patron in other systems I know
21:16 cait i think that's what has been a bit confusing about this implementation
21:17 davidnind[m] the weird things some libraries do!
21:18 cait oh yes...
21:18 cait i have tried to update the documentation to-do search on bugzilla
21:18 cait caroline_crazycatlady: ^
21:18 cait maybe give it a go
21:18 davidnind[m] Here is a library in NZ (open the 'Recalls, charges & borrowing blocks' section):
21:19 caroline_crazycatlady That's what I thought it was too (the library recalls something, not the patron)
21:19 davidnind[m] Seems here in NZ that patrons can place it themselves:
21:20 cait hm not sure they say 'place a request' tha tcould also be a hold
21:20 cait that is the usual way ... the library checks the hold on the long loan items and may do a recall... or there might be some automatism to do it
21:21 cait or say.. the way I have seen it before. - this is still valid, just different
21:22 davidnind[m] possible enhancement to make it work for how other libraries manage recalls
21:22 cait yes :)
21:22 caroline_crazycatlady thx cait for the link
21:23 cait hope it works... at least it#s a few more bugs than befre
21:23 davidnind[m] I'm still doing my list of bugs that need documenting, so they can be bulk added...
21:23 cait I also tried to update the LTS drawing
21:24 caroline_crazycatlady I think it has more than we need... the first one it a Docs component that is resolved, so it's not a to-do
21:24 davidnind[m] (Needs documenting status...)
21:24 cait let me see
21:24 cait do you have the bug number?
21:24 caroline_crazycatlady I thinks we'll have to do something like (XX AND XX) OR (XX AND XX)
21:24 caroline_crazycatlady Bug 31096
21:25 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31096 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, caroline.cyr-la-rose, RESOLVED FIXED, [DOCS] Review and update acquisitions chapter
21:25 cait yeah just found it
21:25 cait ugh, I'll tr yto see how to get that one out
21:28 cait the advanced feature is a little hard to use
21:28 caroline_crazycatlady Sorry, if it's too complicated, don't worry about it, I'm sure we can manage
21:28 cait caroline_crazycatlady: give it another go please?
21:29 caroline_crazycatlady or we could have many lists (Docs component not resolved, Manual keyword, Needs documenting status)
21:29 caroline_crazycatlady 31096 is still there...
21:29 cait it didn't work yeah
21:29 cait ok, next try
21:31 caroline_crazycatlady I have to go, sorry! I have an appointment
21:32 cait ready for another test later
21:36 cait bye :)

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