Time  Nick                  Message
21:36 cait                  bye :)
21:32 cait                  ready for another test later
21:31 caroline_crazycatlady I have to go, sorry! I have an appointment
21:29 cait                  ok, next try
21:29 cait                  it didn't work yeah
21:29 caroline_crazycatlady 31096 is still there...
21:29 caroline_crazycatlady or we could have many lists (Docs component not resolved, Manual keyword, Needs documenting status)
21:28 cait                  caroline_crazycatlady: give it another go please?
21:28 caroline_crazycatlady Sorry, if it's too complicated, don't worry about it, I'm sure we can manage
21:28 cait                  the advanced feature is a little hard to use
21:25 cait                  ugh, I'll tr yto see how to get that one out
21:25 cait                  yeah just found it
21:25 huginn                Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31096 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, caroline.cyr-la-rose, RESOLVED FIXED, [DOCS] Review and update acquisitions chapter
21:24 caroline_crazycatlady Bug 31096
21:24 caroline_crazycatlady I thinks we'll have to do something like (XX AND XX) OR (XX AND XX)
21:24 cait                  do you have the bug number?
21:24 cait                  let me see
21:24 davidnind[m]          (Needs documenting status...)
21:24 caroline_crazycatlady I think it has more than we need... the first one it a Docs component that is resolved, so it's not a to-do
21:23 cait                  I also tried to update the LTS drawing
21:23 davidnind[m]          I'm still doing my list of bugs that need documenting, so they can be bulk added...
21:23 cait                  hope it works... at least it#s a few more bugs than befre
21:22 caroline_crazycatlady thx cait for the link
21:22 cait                  yes :)
21:22 davidnind[m]          possible enhancement to make it work for how other libraries manage recalls
21:21 cait                  or say.. the way I have seen it before. - this is still valid, just different
21:20 cait                  that is the usual way ... the library checks the hold on the long loan items and may do a recall... or there might be some automatism to do it
21:20 cait                  hm not sure they say 'place a request' tha tcould also be a hold
21:19 davidnind[m]          Seems here in NZ that patrons can place it themselves: https://aut.ac.nz.libanswers.com/faq/234130
21:19 caroline_crazycatlady That's what I thought it was too (the library recalls something, not the patron)
21:18 davidnind[m]          Here is a library in NZ (open the 'Recalls, charges & borrowing blocks' section): https://library.aut.ac.nz/about/membership
21:18 cait                  maybe give it a go
21:18 cait                  caroline_crazycatlady: ^
21:18 cait                  i have tried to update the documentation to-do search on bugzilla
21:18 cait                  oh yes...
21:17 davidnind[m]          the weird things some libraries do!
21:16 cait                  i think that's what has been a bit confusing about this implementation
21:16 cait                  normally the library requests the recall, not the patron in other systems I know
21:16 cait                  davidnind[m]: it usually works a bit different
21:15 cait                  caroline_crazycatlady: changing the saved search is tricky
21:12 davidnind[m]          As you say, not something you would see in a normal public library
21:12 davidnind[m]          I thought it sounded a bit "crazy" myself.... but apparently it is a thing for some higher education institutions
21:11 davidnind[m]          The way it was explained to me when I tested the bug, is that it was something some universities use - some have rules that let them borrow books for a longer time frame (say the semester, or a year, or even no return date), and if someone was doing their thesis and needed a book they could place a recall: the book would need to be returned within a set period and issued to whomever requested it
21:10 huginn                cait: The operation succeeded.
21:10 cait                  @later tell tuxayo I've updated the calc with the 4 maints example (https://lite.framacalc.org/29o8a7mlwc-9v57)
21:03 cait                  I am not sure, I thought it was also used in a public library
20:28 caroline_crazycatlady I don't really imagine something like that in public libraries... Some wise kid would definitely recall things for no reason just to spite people XD
20:25 caroline_crazycatlady It's very vague, but that's the use I would see for that
20:25 caroline_crazycatlady From what I read, I think it would be in cases where there are no due dates or something, so people keep the books as long as they want, but if someone else wants it, they get a due date (I would understand it for like professors)
20:24 cait                  although there are differnces lke it forces people to return earlier I think
20:23 cait                  caroline_crazycatlady: maybe start with the wiki page, but I haven't fully grasped it yet either
19:35 caroline_crazycatlady What is the difference between recalls and reserves? I've never worked in a library that had something other than reserves, I'm trying to understand the circulation rules regarding recalls
16:06 paulderscheid[m]      You're right. It's especially important for the EU, regarding tenders (Ausschreibungen).
16:05 cait                  time to go home :) bye all
16:04 cait                  paulderscheid[m]: i thought they might be, maybe still soemthing to think about and look for free options
16:01 paulderscheid[m]      I guess that the libraries choose their own.
16:00 paulderscheid[m]      The accessibility widgets are licensed and proprietary, I think.
15:58 ashimema              It was too dyslexia specific so broke a bunch of accessibility for others
15:57 ashimema              But I think they dropped most of it at the last upgrade
15:57 ashimema              Dyslexia action had some fun accessibility stuff too
15:56 ashimema              We did that for UAL
15:54 cait                  i should have stored the link
15:54 cait                  could be?
15:54 paulderscheid[m]      Is the design black & yellow?
15:53 cait                  paulderscheid[m]: was wondering, I recently stumbled on one with an interesting accessibility feature (could change the font and such from a dialog) - is that a free javascript library or something?
15:52 cait                  ;)
15:51 tcohen                latert y'all
15:51 paulderscheid[m]      That's also correct cait ^^
15:51 cait                  heard good things from paulderscheid[m]'s libraries too (their OPACs have some nice features for publics)
15:50 cait                  my impression is that libraries quite like the OPAC around here
15:48 paulderscheid[m]      I'm constantly thinking about it ^^
15:47 ashimema              I'm intrigued by your theme thoughts btw.. we're mostly moving away from OPAC at ptfs-e.. everyone wants Aspen or other discovery instead
15:47 paulderscheid[m]      ashimema: correct
15:46 ashimema              That it does.. but it's still bootstrap CSS ;)
15:46 paulderscheid[m]      If I'm not mistaken the staff uses the prog theme
15:46 ashimema              But thanks for pointing that one out.. it's another place I'd missed
15:46 ashimema              Oh well
15:46 paulderscheid[m]      OPAC ashimema
15:46 ashimema              I'm pretty sure they differ
15:45 ashimema              For OPAC or Staff though paulderscheid
15:38 cait                  but he woudl know why and how we did things there
15:38 cait                  possible :)
15:32 ashimema              Lots of bywater are.. maybe he also took advantage of the extra day begining of the week
15:31 ashimema              Is he off this week too perhaps
15:23 cait                  oleonard_: around?
15:20 paulderscheid[m]      ashimema: The bootstrap version in the package.json is 4.5.2 btw. Some components aren't imported, though. Look at _common.scss for reference.
14:21 marcelr               all enh now
14:20 marcelr               tcohen: no, but if you want help on upgrade reports, you should list them too with that keyword ?
13:59 paulderscheid[m]      Thanks cait, it does.
13:58 cait                  paulderscheid[m]: in theory you can just replace some templates - a partial copy might work too
13:55 tcohen                I already have my eyes on the list bugs
13:55 tcohen                something specific you wanted to point out marcelr?¿
13:54 tcohen                marcelr: I do, but I've been trying to catch up with the QA queue
13:54 marcelr               tcohen: Do you use the rel_22_11_candidate keyword ?
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13:18 paulderscheid[m]      Thanks. Should've tried that as well. I just created an empty directory and nothing happened.
13:17 davidnind[m]          paulderscheid: I don't know anything about creating a custom theme replacement for the OPAC theme named bootstrap, but I just copied koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap to koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/mytheme, changed the file permissions, then it appeared as an option for opacthemes
13:04 paulderscheid[m]      To elaborate, does it scan directories or something else?
13:03 paulderscheid[m]      I'm just looking at the sysprefs for the opac. What do I have to do for new themes to show up in 'opacthemes'?
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12:05 tcohen                we need help with those reports of upgrade failures
12:04 tcohen                qa_team
12:04 wahanui               kia ora, marcelr
12:04 marcelr               tcohen: hola
12:04 tcohen                hi marcelr
12:03 tcohen                oh
11:49 paulderscheid[m]      just heard
11:48 ashimema              from leader of the party.. he'll be PM for some time to come whilst it gets sorted ot.
11:48 ashimema              well..
11:43 ashimema              yup
11:35 paulderscheid[m]      Boris is gone?
11:32 marcelr               o/
11:05 ashimema              morning tcohen
11:05 ashimema              I'll ask the UI master later
11:04 ashimema              mmm
11:04 tcohen                hola #koha
10:48 cait                  maybe also a question for oleonard later
10:33 paulderscheid[m]      5.2 components don't work
10:32 paulderscheid[m]      I think it's 4.6
10:30 paulderscheid[m]      I'm using stuff from 4.6 in a component on 21.05 so that must be the minimum
10:30 paulderscheid[m]      <paulderscheid[m]> "Seems that all classes of 3.4...." <- This was wrong
10:24 paulderscheid[m]      * there, but some from 4
10:23 paulderscheid[m]      Seems that all classes of 3.4.1 are there, but from 4 or above are missing
10:22 paulderscheid[m]      Great question
10:00 * ashimema            can't seem to find it in the source
10:00 ashimema              what bootstrap version are we actually using on the opac..
07:58 cait                  oleonard_: ping! :)
07:46 marcelr               it isnt that bad
07:46 cait                  hi marcelr - thx  for the work on 2FA - that one looks a little scary from your comments :)
07:45 marcelr               o/
07:45 cait                  hello #koha
07:39 paulderscheid[m]      But politicians will always be politicians
07:39 paulderscheid[m]      I really hope you'll get rid of Boris ashimema
07:34 paulderscheid[m]      Morning #Koha
07:22 ashimema              Who knows what's next though.. I'm not a big fan of anyone who might take over either..
07:21 ashimema              Maybe, I dunno.. think he's running out of people to replace them with now
07:20 marcelr               it seems that there is no shortage on new candidates there :)
07:20 ashimema              They seem to have finally woken up to what a baboon our prime minister is
07:19 ashimema              Wow, it's somewhat distracting at the moment with UK politics.. I keep getting pinged as yet another minister resignation hits the news.. 50 resignations from parliament and counting
07:18 ashimema              hi crazycatlady
07:17 marcelr               ashimema++
07:16 ashimema              On that front, I intend to try and blitz the NSO queue a bit today.. lots of majors in there
07:15 ashimema              Indeed
07:14 marcelr               staff shortage everywhere
07:13 marcelr               sounds good to me
07:13 ashimema              So personally I'd rather see commitment to testing and quality assurance roles with proper time allocated to then than someone commit to an LTS rmaint role
07:11 ashimema              I don't know where I stand really.. in not against it.. but if we do do it I think we need to do it properly and I'm not sure about showing the team even thinner
07:10 ashimema              Yup
07:10 marcelr               read the logs, LTS discussions again
07:10 wahanui               darn tootin' it is.
07:10 ashimema              Excellent
07:10 marcelr               davidnind++ signed off now, so your qa is highly welcome
07:07 ashimema              Your lists stuff is still on my list btw.  Just been fighting a few fires here so haven't had a chance
07:07 ashimema              I left when I fell asleep but reading back it went on for a while after
07:06 ashimema              Last night's Dev meeting
07:06 marcelr               long meeting?
07:06 marcelr               hi ashimema
06:53 ashimema              wow that was a long meeting last night
06:53 ashimema              morning
06:16 marcelr               o/
04:13 wajasu                so i do it manually with a kill for the daemon and then userdel.
04:13 wajasu                using koha-remove library  in my test box 22.05 debian 11.  it fails to remove the daemon for long tasks, thus fails userdel library-koha.
03:24 wajasu                now to cleanup mysql increment records.
03:18 wajasu                this way i can work through updatedatabase.pl, then when done, mysqldump that db to be reloaded as needed.
03:16 wajasu                finally. got a packer script to build debian11, with all the install steps, plus koha-restore my database backup if desired (so no webinstaller/onboarding)
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