IRC log for #koha, 2020-04-08

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02:03 philor You have an authority for the name "A" used in 60 bibs, and then before creating authorites with relators was fixed, you get two autocreated authorities for "A,‡enarrator" each used in 1 bib
02:04 philor you merge one narrator authority to the other narrator authority
02:04 philor now you have an authority for "A" used in 62 bibs, and one narrator authority used in 0 bibs, and a startled expression on your face
02:21 tcohen philor oh noes!
02:21 tcohen file a bug!
02:21 tcohen is it not deleting the link because of the $e?
02:27 philor tcohen: I think it must be intentionally being smart, and just being surprising when it does so: the bib records end up correct, still both saying "A, narrator" but with the authority id for the plain "A", which is what would happen with a newly linked bib
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02:31 tcohen ah, this is about it fetching all the authority subfields
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03:43 philor I'm not sure what it's about, since I'd be tempted to use "Koha surprised me when it did the right thing" as a bug summary
03:45 philor and now I can't find any sign of the bug that caused linking bibs to authorities to correctly ignore subfield e, so I can't tell whether it's intentionally doing the right thing, or accidentally and thus might do something else wrong
03:45 tcohen search for 'merge' on the system preference
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03:45 tcohen s
03:46 tcohen AuthorityMergeMode is the syspref you are looking for
03:46 tcohen (the one that controls the behaviour)
03:47 tcohen but also  AuthorityMergeLimit, which postpones the merge until a cronjob is triggered, if a defined limit on the amount of involved records is reached
03:48 philor yeah, I'm in loose mode, but that doesn't explain "I merge authid 3 to authid 2, and the result is that my bibs are linked to authid 1"
03:56 philor I'd expect it to either take the $aA,$enarrator from 2 and stick it in the bib record formerly attached to 3 and change the $9 to 2, or at most to say "wait, personal name authorities aren't supposed to have a $e, I'll drop that" and insert just the $a, leave the existing $e, and replace the 3 with a 2
03:56 philor but what it does is act like it has been told to relink the bibs, making its own choice about what authid to use
04:00 philor and does it instantly, even though authid 1 is over the merge limit, so it isn't actually deciding that it should merge 3 to 1 and 2 to 1, which would schedule the merges delayed
04:11 tcohen CatalogModuleRelink?
04:12 tcohen It is really too late here sorry
04:12 philor and, curiously, if I have the authorities "$aA" "$aA,$enarrator" and "$aB,$enarrator" and merge the third to the second, I actually get it merge to the second rather than the first
04:12 philor no worries
04:16 philor and yeah, it's like having CatalogModuleRelink on only for that one single case, but in general, we don't have it on
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06:40 reiveune hello
06:40 wahanui kia ora, reiveune
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06:47 kohaputti Hi, I could still continue on the QA role for 20.11 but my time spent on it is not again exactly much
06:48 kohaputti so I will go ahead adding my name on the list of proposed QA team
06:49 Joubu sure kohaputti!
06:53 kohaputti oops, promoted myself to QA manager :D
06:53 cait competition? ;)
06:54 kohaputti hehe, left the stage now free for other's submissions :)
06:54 cait even a little bit of time helps
06:55 cait especially if not scared to look at some of the bigger stuff
06:55 cait time to switch into work mode, bbiab
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07:03 alex_a Bonjour
07:03 wahanui bidet, alex_a
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07:10 * philor crawls up out of several rabbit holes
07:10 philor https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=21826 is the probable cause of my weird authority merge
07:10 huginn Bug 21826: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ere.maijala, RESOLVED FIXED, Automatic authority record generation improvements
07:13 philor and I think I will file it, tomorrow when I'm closer to awake, because I suspect that means that if in the future we fail to update C4/Heading/, and then someone creates or imports authorities using a subfield Koha hasn't heard of, merging them would merge them to a different authority without the Koha-unknown subfield
07:14 ashimema hmm
07:14 ashimema is git bz  failing for anyone else this morning?
07:16 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24801: (follow-up) Display all the libraries - Selenium fix <[…]14d9b7ed30a4722aa>
07:17 ashimema hmm
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07:23 eythian hi
07:26 ashimema how are you this morning eythian
07:27 eythian hiya ashimema. Not bad. Could handle still being in bed I think, but y'know :)
07:27 ashimema hehe,.. know the feeling well
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07:28 eythian it's also dangerously just downstairs :)
07:28 eythian The couch may also be an enemy.
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07:37 ashimema haha
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07:37 ashimema bedroom is just accross the hall from my home office.. it's always a temptation
07:38 cait1 I just have to turn my head... ask me
07:38 ashimema hehe
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08:07 ashimema cait1 around still?
08:07 * ashimema is working through the NSO queue
08:07 ashimema bug 24380
08:07 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24380 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Backdated returns do not update fines unless CalculateFinesOnReturn is enabled
08:08 ashimema cait1: I have vague recollections of you wanting CalcaulateFinesOnReturn to always be obeyed
08:09 ashimema so.. I'm thinking this needs a further syspref to govern the bahaviour
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08:51 cait1 ah yes
08:51 cait1 because it would create wrong fines for us
08:51 cait1 and possibly for people using not sure
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09:32 Joubu @later tell oleonard inputs with focus are not styled correct it seems:
09:32 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
09:33 Joubu correctly*
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10:02 * kidclamp waves
10:03 Joubu *[m] exploded
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10:03 Joubu Hi kidclamp
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10:03 ashimema[m] hi kidclamp
10:04 kidclamp Hi Joubu and Ashimema
10:04 * cait1 waves
10:06 ashimema[m] could you comment on the bug pretty please cait1?
10:06 ashimema[m] else I'll forget
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10:09 cait1 which oneß
10:09 cait1 ?
10:10 kidclamp all of them!
10:11 ashimema[m] 24380
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10:23 aroussos hello All
10:24 aroussos I'm trying to diagnose a problem with a Koha instance's Zebra server
10:25 aroussos searches work fine, but in the authorities module there is no information regarding how many records each authority is used in
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10:29 aroussos in zebra-output.log there are lots of entries like:
10:30 aroussos 13:27:48-08/04 zebrasrv(894) [fatal] Node node_zebra missing
10:30 aroussos 13:27:48-08/04 zebrasrv(894) [warn] Cannot obtain EXPLAIN information
10:34 aroussos also, when I try to connect to the biblioserver locally using `yaz-client -c /etc/koha/zebradb/ unix:/var/run/koha/instance/bibliosocket` I get "Database unavailable" after I perform a search
10:34 Joubu aroussos: did you try a full reindex (with -d)?
10:34 Joubu restart zebra?
10:34 Joubu did you run the reindex using the root user? (you may have messed with the permissions)
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10:38 aroussos Joubu: tried a full reindex of just the authorities, but not with -d... what does -d do?
10:38 aroussos Joubu: also, a full reindex of just the biblios is currently underway
10:39 Joubu -d will delete the previous index
10:40 aroussos Joubu: yes, the reindex was run as root
10:42 Joubu so you should double check the zebra index files
10:42 Joubu the permissions
10:42 wahanui the permissions are set on a per-user basis, not per-category
10:43 aroussos Joubu: will check now
10:46 kidclamp Joubu - do we have a qa test to catch new DateTime->now?
10:47 Joubu nope
10:48 Joubu I'm waiting for you PR ;)
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10:56 ashimema[m] . . .
10:56 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25081: Fix wrong comment <[…]0875485cc816ed492>
10:56 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24840: (follow-up) Catch some further cases of DateTime->now <[…]54e36e6e0d5bcafcf>
10:56 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25046: Add test <[…]8bac4df585741b1a1>
10:56 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 7046: Preselect dropdown option and prefill input <[…]9b34f8d02311182ad>
10:56 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25081: Fix creation of new item for a received issue <[…]032fbc1ab9b0515d3>
10:56 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24940: Serials statistics wizard: order vendor list alphabetically <[…]a0b51c0dc1df0d7dc>
10:56 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25041: Restore #ASKED anchor in suggestions table <[…]7258ec1176c213285>
10:56 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25046: Include borrowers.othernames in SELECT statement <[…]2ed511b0d1388d8b0>
10:56 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25019: Make the ViewPolicy filter initialization standard <[…]57dbb781f0cb1f278>
10:56 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 22937: Add hint to groups editor <[…]c25d4172db3d7cc8e>
10:56 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24840: Replace DateTime->now with dt_from_string <[…]13036bee3f78ed40e>
10:56 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24826: Remove warnings from Sendmail <[…]f476b28f8aa068571>
10:56 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 7046: Implemented subscription renewal dropdown sub length element <[…]bb431fdbd1f08c92c>
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11:02 aroussos Joubou: the permissions look OK, the files (and the directories the files are in) are owned by the Koha instance user
11:03 aroussos Joubou: I should mention that everything worked fine before, the only Zebra-related change that was made recently was an increase of the register index size
11:03 aroussos Joubou: I wonder if that change makes the -d flag necessary
11:03 aroussos Joubu: when rebuilding
11:03 aroussos Joubu: sorry for mistyping your username :)
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11:16 aroussos Joubu: in order for Koha to show how many records each authority is used in, is it a matter of indexing?
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11:30 Joubu aroussos: yes, it's indexed
11:30 Joubu aroussos: I do not have other idea. I would give -d a try..
11:46 cait1 commented
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12:20 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 7046: (RM follow-up) Add Filters <[…]180d4f0a266196e9f>
12:20 * oleonard waves
12:21 oleonard Joubu: what browser are you using in that screenshot? It works correctly for me in Firefox on OSX
12:22 Joubu FF 68.4.1esr
12:26 Joubu I can see the correct input size when I refresh, but after few ms it gets back to the wrong size. That's weird
12:26 Joubu If I resize the window it gets the good size... hum...
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12:32 oleonard Joubu your issue is with the size? I thought you were talking about the focus style (the border)
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12:37 Joubu oleonard: it's not the focus actually. When I hit the adv search page I see the first of the 3 inputs (the one with the focus) that does not have the same size as the others
12:38 Joubu I cannot recreate on chromium, but can with FF (tested in private window)
12:39 Joubu oleonard: nevermind, it's not important
12:44 oleonard Joubu, why not just create another version of the Bug 25007 report for the OPAC?
12:44 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=25007 normal, P5 - low, ---, lucas, Failed QA , AmazonCoverImages doesnt check for ISBN in
12:45 Joubu oleonard: I am not against that, I FQAed it this morning to get an answer
12:46 Joubu On the other hand it does not make sense to not apply the same fix on the same bug report
12:46 Joubu same code doing the same thing, both should be fixed
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13:49 Joubu FYI holds are broken, working on it
14:11 tcohen ?
14:12 Joubu last follow-up on bug 16547
14:12 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16547 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Can't place item level hold directly from search results screen
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15:20 reiveune bye
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15:34 caroline does bug 10269 really do what it says in the title? I can't find a way to specify a reply-to email address for a specific notice
15:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10269 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to master , Add a way to define a specific replyto email address for some notice
15:35 caroline (asking to see whether to include this in the documentation to-do or not)
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16:21 ashimema[m] hmm
16:21 ashimema[m] nope caroline
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16:23 ashimema[m] what that patch does is add the foundations that were missing to allow this
16:23 ashimema[m] bug 4461 and bug 22821 both then use it
16:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4461 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, Pushed to master , Context-sensitive report a problem screen
16:23 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22821 normal, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to master , Use reply-to address for item notes notifications if available to avoid being flagged as spam
16:24 ashimema[m] and bug 2234 and 3679 could make use of it once they're written
16:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2234 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Make cart email from/reply-to/return-path address configurable
16:24 ashimema[m] bug 22821 is probably the clearest use case
16:25 caroline but it's just back-end stuff right?
16:26 ashimema[m] a patron reports an issue with an item via the item notes.. the email will come 'from' the branch library address and go to the branch reply-to address.. and it will include the patrons email in the 'reply-to' field so if the librarian wants to just hit reply and have it go to the patron.. it will
16:26 ashimema[m] hope that makes sense
16:26 ashimema[m] yes.. this is the foundation for that
16:26 caroline also, the request made by the reporter of bug 10269 isn't really addressed...We should change the title of the bug to make it clearer (and maybe create a new one with the initial request)
16:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10269 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to master , Add a way to define a specific replyto email address for some notice
16:26 * ashimema[m] is getting summoned by kids.. I can try and clarify the title when I get back
16:26 caroline ok thanks!
16:27 ashimema[m] well.. it sort of is.. but the UI side needs adding via a new bug
16:27 ashimema[m] I suppose the title of this bug is correct.. it does the foundations to allow it to be possible..
16:28 ashimema[m] then you need add some logic in each call to EnqueuMessage to catch the various cases of what one woudl want in the reply-to field..
16:28 caroline it does "add a way to", but not for the end user
16:28 ashimema[m] lots of additional followups.
16:29 ashimema[m] the title is generic.. each followup needs to be specific and use the generic method
16:29 ashimema[m] brb
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18:45 oleonard Meeting in 15?
18:46 caroline as far as I know, yes
18:50 cait my family is forcing me to video chat - hope i can escape but might be a little late
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18:56 thd Video chat takes too much bandwidth, the connection must certainly fail.
18:56 * oleonard knows someone whose cousin had a video chat once
18:57 caroline fun fact, in french chat means cat
18:58 * caroline is feeling overwhelmed by the amount of work to do for documentation...
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18:59 cait thd: tell that to my family... it's painful
19:00 thd Les chats sont dangereux.
19:02 caroline ashimema[m]?
19:02 wahanui rumour has it ashimema[m] is requestion a new build for the 3 projects, let's see if it fixes the failures :)
19:02 cait ashimema[m]: ping
19:03 caroline he may be busy with his kids rn
19:04 caroline I'd chair, but I don't have the brain power today
19:05 cait caroline: should we try together?
19:05 caroline ok let me get the agenda
19:05 caroline https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_8_April_2020
19:06 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 8 April 2020
19:06 huginn Meeting started Wed Apr  8 19:06:10 2020 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at
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19:06 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 8 April 2020)
19:06 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_8_april_2020'
19:06 cait #chair caroline
19:06 huginn Current chairs: cait caroline
19:06 cait #chair Joubu ashimema[m]
19:06 huginn Current chairs: Joubu ashimema[m] cait caroline
19:06 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
19:06 cait too early :)
19:06 caroline #topic Introductions
19:06 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 8 April 2020)
19:06 cait #topic Introductions
19:06 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 8 April 2020)
19:06 caroline lol!
19:07 caroline please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes
19:07 oleonard Do I have to do it again to count??
19:07 cait no :)
19:07 caroline i don't think so
19:07 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
19:07 caroline #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro
19:07 georgew #info George Williams, Northeast Kansas Library System
19:08 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [world virus captial]
19:08 cait ok moving on soon, hurry up :)
19:08 ashimema[m] hi
19:08 ashimema[m] #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS_E
19:08 * cait hands chair to ashimema[m] ;)
19:08 ashimema[m] sorry..
19:09 cait #topic Announcements
19:09 Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 8 April 2020)
19:09 ashimema[m] where are we at.. just introductions
19:09 ashimema[m] aha.. thanks cait
19:09 cait yep early
19:09 ashimema[m] #info The 20.11 roles page is now available, please start adding our names now :)
19:09 cait oh good one!
19:10 cait you should
19:10 caroline #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]i/Roles_for_20.11
19:10 ashimema[m] #info We are into the polishing and bugfixes stage of the cycle now.. please concentrate on bugs and polishing of existing features
19:10 cait +1
19:11 caroline can't believe were getting close to may and already thinking of november! time goes by so fast!
19:11 ashimema[m] :confused:
19:11 georgew #info koha-US is doing its online Kohathon on April 23 starting at 13:00 UTC
19:11 ashimema[m] it does indeed fly caroline
19:11 ashimema[m] thanks georgew
19:11 cait true
19:12 ashimema[m] ooh.. there's t-shirts
19:12 ashimema[m][…]eavyweight-unisex
19:13 caroline I like the logo with the koha egg in the "thon"'s O
19:13 georgew Yes, there are t-Shirts - the logo was designed by Jason Robb at Southeast Kansas Library System
19:13 ashimema[m] #link kohathon2020
19:13 caroline great job Jason!
19:13 cait ype nice one
19:14 ashimema[m] any other anouncements?
19:14 cait not from me
19:15 ashimema[m] #topic Update on releases
19:15 Topic for #koha is now Update on releases (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 8 April 2020)
19:15 ashimema[m] #info 20.05 is shaping up nicely, lots of new features and enhancements, both visible and behind the scenes.
19:16 ashimema[m] Just need to keep the momentum now and make sure we have a really nice stable and polished release :)
19:16 ashimema[m] rmaints?
19:16 wahanui it has been said that rmaints is talljoy, lukeG, hayley
19:17 oleonard tallerjoy?
19:17 wahanui tallerjoy is curious how many "person hours" are spent in slack searching for gifs to share via the giphy app.
19:17 ashimema[m] #info The 20.11 cycle is fast approaching, start making plans for what you want to focus on, start working on proposals for your roles :)
19:18 ashimema[m] OK.. no rmaints..
19:19 ashimema[m] #info Stable releases went out as scheduled later March.. they included security fixes so nows the time to upgrade ;)
19:19 ashimema[m] Bit early for NZ?
19:20 ashimema[m] Do we have any news/updates regarding Kohacon20?
19:20 ashimema[m] ok..
19:20 ashimema[m] #topic Next meeting
19:20 Topic for #koha is now Next meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 8 April 2020)
19:21 ashimema[m] Two points I suppose.. we likely want to hold the vote for the next cycle at the next meeting so a good attendance would be good..
19:21 ashimema[m] It would be good to have some NZ folk in attendance to see if Kohacon20 plans are going ahead
19:21 ashimema[m] so..
19:21 ashimema[m] thoughts on timing people?
19:22 oleonard Regarding KohaCon: "We intend to make a decision to go ahead, or not, in July."
19:22 cait yes
19:22 cait it's on the kohacon website
19:22 caroline now is good for nz and america, earlier might be better for europe
19:22 cait so may is too soon
19:23 cait 9 pm in europe - not too bad, or most of europe
19:23 oleonard "good" for NZ :P
19:23 caroline no? I thought it was around 9am right now in nz?
19:23 oleonard Yes, but still nobody from nz!
19:24 caroline we usually do docs meetings around this time so david doesn't have to wake up in the middle of the night
19:24 ashimema[m] 8pm UTC is 9pm UK, 8am NZ, 4pm New York
19:25 ashimema[m] sounds reasonable ?
19:25 caroline fine for me
19:25 oleonard Me too
19:25 cait i am always here.. )
19:26 ashimema[m] UK is in Summer time and NZ just went into Winter time
19:26 ashimema[m] 8utc seems sensible to catch people
19:27 ashimema[m] S00
19:27 ashimema[m] 13th May 20:00 UTC sound right to everyone?
19:27 caroline yup
19:27 ashimema[m] #info Next meeting: 13 May 2020, 20 UTC
19:28 ashimema[m] brill
19:28 ashimema[m] thanks for attending everyone.
19:28 ashimema[m] #endmeeting
19:28 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software
19:28 huginn Meeting ended Wed Apr  8 19:28:13 2020 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)
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19:28 huginn Log:            http://meetings.koha-community[…]08-19.06.log.html
19:28 ashimema[m] thanks for kicking it off cait et al
19:28 caroline thanks ashimema[m]
19:28 cait caroline++  :)
19:29 caroline eh, I didn't do much
19:29 thd I may or may not be able to attend the documentation meeting tomorrow.  I am working in person at an essential business three days a week.
19:29 caroline take care of yourself thd
19:29 caroline health > docs meeting
19:30 cait yes
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19:30 thd I am very safe and keep a safe distance with much cleaning and barriers between myself and the 10 or so people I see each day of in person work.
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19:32 thd I am also helping a couple of old people who are very well secluded.  The time spent shopping, etc. for myself and others with distancing queues outside and inside for hours is the big problem sinking time.
19:32 wahanui okay, thd.
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20:08 amoyano @later tell joubu could you check out bug 25086?, I believe it's related to 23579 were you submitted the patch
20:08 huginn amoyano: The operation succeeded.
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