IRC log for #koha, 2019-11-12

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06:34 liliputech_asu hi koha
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07:36 reiveune hello
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07:57 alex_a Bonjour
07:57 wahanui hola, alex_a
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08:19 andreashm Salut!
08:27 pizzaguy bon jour!
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08:30 andreashm hi pizza-magnuse!
08:35 magnuse tjänare andreashm
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08:40 magnuse yay!
08:40 magnuse 🇸🇪
08:48 ashimema mornin'
08:50 magnuse kia ora ashimema
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09:55 sev_q Bonjour Koha !
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10:54 lilipute1h_asu sev_q: salut :)
10:54 sev_q salut liliputech_asu !
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11:15 liliputech_asu bon appétit!
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12:35 oleonard Hi #koha
12:37 calire hi oleonard
12:37 wahanui hi oleopard
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13:21 magnuse hm, if plack is running and you restart the server, plack should start up again automatically, shouldn't it?
13:22 ashimema anyone on QA fancy picking up bug 23765
13:22 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23765 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , After TranslateNotices is set to 'Don't allow', email settings still show multiple languages
13:23 oleonard Complaining: Why can't we add to a patron list or do batch patron modification by borrowernumber?
13:35 magnuse because no one implemented it yet?
13:36 Joubu IIRC "borrowernumber is an internal id, librarians do not use it and do not need it"
13:37 Joubu but, well, yes, same for biblionumber and itemnumber ;)
13:37 oleonard Librarians might find themselves needing to batch update patron records without card numbers
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13:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24002: One more occurrence of datecancellationprinted <[…]ce4859b9035d5c558>
13:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24002: Incorrect DATE value: '' in C4/ <[…]d39211ab4de8e19dd>
13:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24002: Incorrect DATE value: '0000-00-00' in C4/ <[…]a32ca5711ae8127dd>
13:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24002: Incorrect DATE value: '00-00-0000' in C4/ <[…]5ebf9567cf48e1709>
13:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24002: Incorrect DATE value: '0000-00-00' in C4/ <[…]71ff4a1ac9a3eaa38>
13:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24002: Incorrect DATE value: '' in C4/ <[…]1e3acf569596db228>
13:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24002: Incorrect DATE value: '00-00-0000' in <[…]103781f2a44bdbee8>
13:58 caroline_catlady good morning!
14:02 oleonard Hi caroline_catlady
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14:22 oleonard -
14:24 oleonard ^ oleonard cleaning his keyboard with some reckless cursor focus
14:24 caroline_catlady oleonard: still trying hypens?
14:24 caroline_catlady hehe!
14:24 oleonard I like your explanation better caroline_catlady
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14:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #468: UNSTABLE in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/468/
14:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #999: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/999/
14:37 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #531: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/531/
14:38 Joubu we should teach wahanui to insult koha-jenkins
14:39 oleonard Joubu: It's not koha-jenkins' fault!
14:40 Joubu it's failing randomly, it's its fault
14:42 ashimema grr.. I really don't understand why those fail on jenkins
14:42 ashimema I can't replicate them at all here
14:48 wizzyrea timezone, race condition, incorrect time, tests run in different order
14:49 ashimema ruled timezone and incorrect time out..
14:50 Joubu nope it looks like a network issue
14:53 sev_q Bye Koha !
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15:19 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #11: NOW UNSTABLE in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Master_D9_My8/11/
15:23 ashimema Nearly there on m8 😀
15:23 ashimema Thanks for all your hard work on that Joubu
15:24 Joubu Joonas around?
15:25 ashimema kohaputti
15:25 kohaputti Joubu, yup
15:25 ashimema 😀
15:27 kohaputti Joubu, your last comment on squashing that you just sent: I disagree since RM or QA can make a mistake so no one is reviewing that step then
15:28 Joubu mistake a squash?
15:28 Joubu kohaputti: I am the author of this guideline, so I am aware of it
15:29 Joubu When I fail QA a patch I prefer to see the diff of the requested changes instead of a new patch. So I think others prefer as well
15:29 kohaputti Joubu, sure, the QA/RM person can squash to non-related commits accidentally
15:29 Joubu review is much easier as it
15:29 kohaputti two non-related*
15:30 kohaputti okay, I prefer to have one patch fully working that I can review so I don't have to keep up like "oh but this is fixed in the later follow-up".
15:30 ashimema I tend to agree.. I like to see followups so I can see the individual bits are done
15:30 Joubu unless you reviewed it maybe?
15:31 kohaputti Joubu, my brain can't process too many follow-ups
15:31 Joubu when I was RM I used to squash follow-up when history was not needed
15:31 ashimema I must admit, I don't often squash as RM.. I probably should more but I actually find it good to have the commits to see the thought process
15:31 Joubu and I am confident with QA and RM to squash when needed
15:32 ashimema I nearly always check out such a branch and look at the set as a whole in other tools
15:33 Joubu kohaputti: also, if you need a squashed view, you can still squash and git log, when squashed you cannot undo
15:33 Joubu basically what ashimema just said... too slow...
15:35 kohaputti okay, if you want to proceed with this then I think those commits that the author wants to squash should be marked explicitly so
15:35 kohaputti like adding (squashme) (the same way we use (follow-up)).. Or maybe the RM/QA can check if the (follow-up) commits are from the same author
15:36 * ashimema is in school run, brb
15:38 kohaputti In other projects I have worked we also submit a v2, v3, etc. and it has worked really well. In the v2, v3 etc. of the patch set we attach a cover letter describing the changes since last revision
15:38 kohaputti e.g. linux kernel
15:45 ashimema For larger sets in also more than happy for people to just link to a GitHub/gitlab URL.. I find those very helpful for such cases.. a quick bug comment in bugzilla when there's a change is all that's needed.
15:45 * ashimema is generally pretty pragmatic about these things...
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15:49 Joubu tcohen: docker-compose.mariadb9.yml means default MariaDB version for D9?
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15:52 ashimema correct
15:52 ashimema we could change the names to reflect the actual db server version instead..
15:53 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #469: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 0 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/469/
15:53 qalbaqali Hi guys :) I am setting up koha on an ubuntu server. Looking at https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ial_Configuration I want to have the URL to the library on '' and the admin panel to be on '' for example. How would I set my koha-sites.conf variables to make this happen?
15:53 ashimema I wasn't sure which way to jump on that one.. at the time I was thinking we'd try to support the default db server versions for each os version we supported.. but I think we're better off looking ahead and at more db versions in general now..
15:59 Joubu wizzyrea++ # race condition
16:00 ashimema ?
16:00 eythian itym "wiz+zyre+a"
16:01 Joubu ashimema: bug 24022
16:01 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24022 major, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Z3950Responder tests are failing on D8 and U18
16:02 ashimema oh nice.. well spotted
16:02 Joubu ha, no
16:02 Joubu it's actually the order
16:03 Joubu or both :)
16:09 Joubu well, maybe a cache issue actually
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16:16 vfernandes it's possible to get a Koha systempreferences in some custom Javascript?
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16:17 oleonard vfernandes: I proposed something like that for the OPAC but it is still undeveloped
16:17 qalbaqali Getting this error on a fresh install on Ubuntu 16, Mysql v14.14 - [Tue Nov 12 08:16:23 2019] DBD::mysql::st execute failed: BLOB, TEXT, GEOMETRY or JSON column 'changed_fields' can't have a default value at /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/ line 273.
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16:17 oleonard Bug 17498
16:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17498 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Expose system preference values to JavaScript in the OPAC
16:18 qalbaqali Is this a known issue?
16:18 Joubu qalbaqali: bug 23579
16:18 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23579 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to stable , error during web install: 'changed_fields' can't have a default value
16:18 Joubu Try with MariaDB instead of MySQL
16:18 ashimema mysql14..
16:18 vfernandes thanks oleonard
16:19 oleonard vfernandes: Is it the OPAC you're asking about?
16:19 qalbaqali do I need to re install koha again? Or is there somewhere to change the db configs?
16:19 Joubu install mariadb-server, then restart koha-common, and try again
16:19 qalbaqali alright thanks :)
16:19 Joubu install mariadb-server, then restart koha-common, cross fingers, and try again
16:20 qalbaqali Joubu: is koha-common a process that I need to restart?
16:21 Joubu `service koha-common restart`
16:21 vfernandes oleanard any systempreference (opac or intranet related)
16:22 vfernandes for example: get the value of CircControl
16:24 qalbaqali Joubu: Failed to restart koha-common.service: The name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 was not provided by any .service files See system logs and 'systemctl status koha-common.service' for details.
16:24 vfernandes something like KOHA.preferences.CircControl
16:24 qalbaqali ● koha-common.service - LSB: Start required services for each Koha instance    Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/koha-common; bad; vendor preset: enabled)    Active: active (exited) since Tue 2019-11-12 07:54:31 PST; 30min ago      Docs: man:systemd-sysv-generator(8)  Nov 12 07:54:31 ubuntu systemd[1]: Starting LSB: Start required services for each Koha instance... Nov 12 07:54:31 ubuntu koha-common[61414]: WARNING: koha-plack requires so
16:25 qalbaqali Nov 12 07:54:31 ubuntu koha-common[61414]: You can install them with: Nov 12 07:54:31 ubuntu koha-common[61414]:     sudo a2enmod headers proxy_http Nov 12 07:54:31 ubuntu koha-common[61414]: Error: you must provide at least one instance name Nov 12 07:54:31 ubuntu systemd[1]: Started LSB: Start required services for each Koha instance.
16:25 Joubu vfernandes: define it in the .tt: var your_pref_value = '[% Koha.Preference('your_pref') %]'; then access it in the .js, using the JS variable
16:27 Joubu qalbaqali: follow this guide https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ubuntu_-_packages at the end pick MariaDB instead of MySQL (section "MariaDB or MySQL")
16:28 qalbaqali alright thank you Joubu :) Ill give it a try tomorrow
16:28 qalbaqali appreciate the help
16:28 vfernandes I will go with that solution Joubu
16:28 qalbaqali The mysql fix is on the unstable?
16:29 Joubu the MySQL fix (from 23579) is not released yet
16:37 ashimema @later tell sev_q any chance you could take another look at bug 23767, I've added a followup to hopefully deal with the total available column now
16:37 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded.
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17:04 reiveune bye
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18:23 caroline_crazycatlady anyone from PTFS-E around?
18:23 caroline_crazycatlady it's a bit late...
18:51 caroline_crazycatlady any non-english-speaking library is using the freeform ill backend right now?
18:51 caroline_crazycatlady trying to figure out how to translate the interface...
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19:05 * caroline_crazycatlady jumps on cait
19:05 caroline_crazycatlady ah! cait! do you use the ill module?
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19:12 cait hehe
19:12 cait i hope one day we will
19:12 cait but we still need to build our own backend
19:12 cait i have tested a bit a while ago, if it's something generic... maybe i can help
19:12 * cait tries to get out from under caroline_crazycatlady
19:13 caroline_crazycatlady I'm just trying to figure out how to translate the interface
19:15 caroline_crazycatlady ugh, also, when I create a request, it doesn't appear in the list
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19:22 cait hm
19:22 cait i think i have bad news about translation
19:22 cait they didn't make that possible
19:23 rangi oh yeah i  remember you pointing that out
19:23 cait a lot of strings come from the perl code of the module even...
19:23 caroline_crazycatlady hm, that sucks
19:23 cait and so all you can do is change your backend
19:23 cait yep
19:23 cait and I will be happy to have other people point that out for a change
19:23 cait because usually it's me
19:23 caroline_crazycatlady oh hi rangi!
19:23 rangi thanks for the submissions caroline_crazycatlady !
19:23 cait and I am getting very tired of being the bad guy
19:23 cait let's be a team of bad guys... maybe get motorcycles
19:23 rangi :0
19:24 caroline_crazycatlady rangi: hopefully, it will get me a trip to nz hehe!!
19:24 caroline_crazycatlady if I give a talk, Eric will have to send me ;)
19:24 rangi :-)
19:24 caroline_crazycatlady we could have badass librarian jackets
19:25 cait oh yep
19:26 rangi you could just have translation is important, and then translate it into tons of languages on your jacket :)
19:29 cait :)
19:30 caroline_crazycatlady blou is telling me we are going to change the backend so that it is translatable and submit it on the git... hopefully PTFS-E will accept the change
19:30 cait caroline_crazycatlady: that sounds great
19:30 rangi yay :)
19:30 cait i have been wondering if we could put at least what tcohen figured out on the wiki for the plugins *coughs*
19:31 cait because it hink they found a way to do ti for the planned paypal plugin
19:31 cait (moving it out of core code)
19:31 cait so other plugin writers could adopt it
19:33 caroline_crazycatlady I think the freeform ILL should be core to Koha and then the other more specific ones as plugins
19:33 caroline_crazycatlady it makes no sense to me that I have to do all kinds of technical stuff in the conf file to get a basic feature
19:33 oleonard cait: What do you mean, "what tcohen figured out on the wiki for the plugins" ?
19:36 caroline_crazycatlady I think she meant to write on the wiki what he figured out about the plugins
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19:38 cait yep
19:38 cait i hoped his ears (or irc client) would be ringing :)
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19:38 * cait waves at kathryn
19:38 kathryn hi cait :)
19:44 oleonard See y'all later
19:45 magnuse cait++ for being the bad guy
19:46 cait magnuse: join our gang an dyou might get a cool jacket ;)
19:47 rangi has magnuse submitted a talk yet? I dont think so!
19:48 * magnuse needs a warm jacket
19:48 rangi its warm in nz
19:48 rangi hint hint
19:48 rangi :)
19:49 magnuse no talk submitted, but i might go anyway
19:49 magnuse hehe
19:50 rangi :)
19:52 rangi we are thinking for sponsorhip ideas for this year, companies who send someone get an automatic listing as sponsored, so it could be librotech+2 if you and petter, bywater solutions+3 etc .. we'd rather have people come than spend money on sponsoring (both is cool too though hehe)
19:52 magnuse nice
19:52 magnuse anyone tried unattended-upgrades on a koha server?
19:53 rangi yep
19:53 rangi but koha-common is blacklisted
19:53 rangi on our production machines that is
19:53 magnuse yeah, that was what i was thinking of
19:53 rangi it works well
19:54 magnuse kewl!
19:54 magnuse on debian, right?
19:54 rangi yup
19:54 rangi next thing is bring our servers up to buster
19:54 rangi over the next few months
19:55 magnuse and buster is... 10?
19:55 rangi yup
19:56 rangi we have most on 9 (stretch) but still a couple of jessie ones too
19:56 magnuse sometimes there is a package that updates a configfile that has been edited manually, and when you run apt-get update you get a question to display the diff, keep the old or replace with the new. how does unattended-upgrades handle that?
19:57 * magnuse has some servers on jessie too
19:58 rangi you can specify it's behaviour
19:58 rangi with Dpkg::Options
19:58 rangi[…]-managed-by-dpkg/
19:58 rangi you can put these in your 50-unattended-upgrades file
19:59 rangi like
19:59 rangi Dpkg::Options { "--force-confdef"; "--force-confold";
19:59 rangi }
19:59 rangi we have our config under puppet
19:59 rangi so we let unattend-upgrades change and puppet puts it back
20:00 magnuse cool
20:00 magnuse i use ansible
20:00 magnuse are you then notified about the changes to the configile? so you can adjust what puppet puts in place?
20:01 magnuse i'll read the article :-)
20:01 rangi :)
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20:27 ashimema Hi
20:27 wahanui bidet, ashimema
20:28 cait hello
20:28 wahanui bidet, cait
20:29 ashimema Freeform should certainly be a core thing.. it goes t split out way bad during the original QA cycle if I remember correctly
20:29 ashimema Yes, translations are high on the agenda but no-one has stepped forward to fund them and the code was significantly more complex to add at the time of original submission
20:29 cait we shouldn't do that anymore
20:29 ashimema More than happy for people to jump on board though.. would love to see ILL flourish
20:29 cait it has always been a great pain to add translation afterwards for people
20:30 cait for new devs... let's not accept stuff without being translatable anymore please
20:30 magnuse +1
20:30 ashimema Generic send and freeform backend should be merged and put in core
20:30 cait i guess we are hurt more than ohters
20:30 ashimema Well.. we simply wouldn't have been able to submit the code with translation code in it
20:30 cait i can cheat someties for German/English... but with the many languages we use now for the Goethe Institute libraires I stand no chance
20:30 ashimema We already self funding 90% of the development
20:31 cait too late for ILL - just for the future
20:32 ashimema Anywho.. let's not argue that.. it's been in core for a long time now and we're happy to work on adding translatability
20:32 ashimema As for plugins and backends..
20:34 ashimema I'm working with tcohen to help move those forward.. we've already added the koha2koha backend into the gitlab repo and he's done some work to port it to working as a plugin.  I intend to write a mail soon to promote that we were going to 'donate' our code as the foundation for a community supported effort for that and the freeform backends as they seem to fit well.. we will of course continue to contribute to them.. included translations
20:34 ashimema Still working out how to do that right now
20:36 ashimema So.. yes, we will certainly accept merge requests
20:38 * ashimema can only fight battles on so many fronts at a time I'm afraid..
20:53 magnuse ashimema++
20:56 * ashimema hopes he didn't sound too grumpy there.. a tad tired
20:59 caroline_crazycatlady you did sound grumpy, but it's understandable
20:59 caroline_crazycatlady :)
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22:13 alexbuckley hi everyone!
22:13 caroline_crazycatlady hi alexbuckley!
22:14 alexbuckley how are you going caroline_crazycatlady ?
22:14 caroline_crazycatlady not too bad, and you?
22:14 alexbuckley yeah I am good thanks, looking forward to summer :)
22:15 caroline_crazycatlady heh! just got our first snowstorm here :)
22:16 alexbuckley ooo hopefully it carries on so you get a lovely white christmas :)
22:17 alexbuckley I have a question you know in the 'Manage numbering patterns' page in the Serials module, you have three different 'columns' x,y, and z does that mean you are restricted to only 3 different peices of data in a numbering pattern? e.g. I can add issue number, vol number, year but what if I wanted to add another value
22:18 alexbuckley if you're not sure all good, just interested if you can add to the number of data values in a numbering pattern
22:18 caroline_crazycatlady you have to add it manually when you receive the item
22:18 caroline_crazycatlady I've had some serials like Vol. 31, No 4 March 2019
22:19 caroline_crazycatlady Volume is X, No is Y, month is Z and I tell librarians to add 2019 manually upon receipt
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22:20 alexbuckley ahh very interesting, thank you so much for that Caroline that's very helpful! :)
22:24 caroline_crazycatlady numbering patterns are already so complicated, when I tell them they have to add something manually, they're like "oh ok! that's easy"
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22:33 cait caroline_crazycatlady++
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22:47 alexbuckley caroline_crazycatlady++ yes they sure are complicated :)
22:47 alexbuckley hi cait :)
22:48 cait hi alexbuckley :)
22:59 caroline_crazycatlady anyone care to test or qa bug 23983? *grins*
22:59 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23983 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Contextualization of "Order" (verb) vs "Order" (noun)
23:05 caroline_crazycatlady I should probably ask when it's daytime in France... anyway, too late now with the String freeze starting tomorrow
23:05 caroline_crazycatlady on that note, good night everyone!
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