IRC log for #koha, 2019-11-11

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00:38 mjkerpan something weird happened.
00:40 mjkerpan after running an "apt upgrade" command on my koha server, it forgot how it work and when i try to get into the admin interface, it wants to run the web installer
00:59 aleisha mjkerpan it sounds like your koha has upgraded. if you run through the installer again it will complete the upgrade for you
01:00 mjkerpan but neither my old password nor the one in koha-conf.xml seem to work
01:01 aleisha the username is koha_instance
01:01 aleisha for the installer
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01:06 mjkerpan thanks. it's all fixed
01:06 aleisha cool :)
01:07 mjkerpan this stuff used to happen as part of the apckage upgrade process...
01:09 mjkerpan anyhow, i'll be moving my koha instance to a raspberry pi 4 this week. cutting power usage from 90-100 watts constant to about 2...
01:25 mjkerpan i would have done it today, but none of the machines at my sf club's library/clubhouse was actually able to flash an image over to a 64 gb micosd card...
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07:33 marcelr hi #koha
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09:05 Joubu @later tell rangi Can you have a look at bug 23672 please?
09:05 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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10:42 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23986: Pass strings to Catmandu for deletion <[…]71a8dc319593a7780>
10:42 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23788: Recalculate ammount due for selected accountlines <[…]ed5852601f1283ece>
10:42 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23788: Rename $select_lines to $selected_lines <[…]1e765599aea566d09>
10:42 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23788: Rename $select to $selected_accts <[…]e3d3dc5034d08e642>
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11:15 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #529: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/529/
11:23 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #998: SUCCESS in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/998/
11:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #467: SUCCESS in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/467/
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11:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #530: STILL UNSTABLE in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/530/
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12:09 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #10: FAILURE in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Master_D9_My8/10/
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12:35 oleonard HI #koha
12:36 ashimema hi oleonard
12:36 wahanui hi oleopard
12:46 * andreashm waves
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14:17 oleonard Since everyone is so quiet, I shall entertain you with a dialog from my work place:
14:17 oleonard Librarian: Hey Owen I hate it when Koha searching doesn't work the way I want it to
14:17 oleonard Me: Okay, can you give me examples?
14:17 oleonard Me: ...
14:18 oleonard Me: ...
14:18 oleonard Me: ... <dead>
14:18 oleonard And scene.
14:18 ashimema lol
14:18 andreashm *applause*
14:18 ashimema sounds pretty normal that.
14:22 andreashm yup
14:23 * andreashm loves when staff report errors after upgrades. "this is new, and wrong." Me: *looks at the server with the previous version* this is the exact same behaviour as before.
14:26 oleonard But actually they did come to me with a valid query: Why would the inclusion of an en dash cause a keyword search  to fail
14:27 oleonard is the en dash interpreted as a search operator?
14:31 Joubu 7 result(s) found for 'kw,wrdl: food -'.
14:31 Joubu is that what you mean?
14:31 oleonard Yes
14:32 Joubu so it looks ok here
14:32 Joubu are you using elastic?
14:33 oleonard Zebra. The specific query was:  'kw,wrdl: I Am C-3PO – The Inside Story' which returns no results
14:33 oleonard As opposed to  'kw,wrdl: I Am C-3PO The Inside Story' which returns the correct record
14:35 * Joubu passes
14:35 Joubu but it seems to work in some cases..
14:35 Joubu 6 result(s) found for 'kw,wrdl: food - rome'.
14:35 Joubu 6 result(s) found for 'kw,wrdl: food rome'.
14:35 Joubu it's ignored for me
14:37 oleonard Joubu: Are you sure you're testing with an en dash and not a hyphen?
14:37 oleonard A hyphen is ignored for me
14:38 Joubu no idea what an en dash is, so I guess I am testing with a hyphen :)
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14:41 caroline_catlady hello everyone!
14:42 oleonard en dash: — hyphen: -
14:43 oleonard Wait, no: em dash: — en dash: –
14:49 eythian don't forget the swung dash: ⁓
14:49 eythian or the two-em for that matter: ⸺
14:53 oleonard ~ ˜ ∼ 〜 ~
14:54 oleonard ⎯ ⏤ ─ ➖ ⸺ ⸻
14:55 oleonard Everyone remembers the first time they accidentally used a wave dash 〜 when they should have used a fullwidth tilde ~. So embarassing.
15:03 caroline_catlady oh god, yes, I remember it was april 25 1998, I was in school and the teacher told me in front of the whole class... so embarassing...
15:05 oleonard Anyone know if it's possible to add a facet for language as defined in 008?
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15:06 caroline_catlady oleonard: with zebra or es?
15:06 oleonard zebra
15:06 oleonard I guess I'd like to know if it's possible either way. Using zebra now.
15:07 caroline_catlady I think with es you can customize facets much easier
15:08 caroline_catlady with zebra, I know it's possible, because my colleague has done it before, but you have to go into zebra configuration files and things
15:09 oleonard caroline_catlady: I guess I was assuming Koha's advanced search language limiter uses 008... Do you know if that is correct?
15:09 caroline_catlady yes that's what is used
15:09 caroline_catlady I think the index is called ln (LN)
15:10 oleonard 'ln,rtrn:spa' is what I see on the search results page
15:11 oleonard Do you know what the "rtrn" means?
15:12 caroline_catlady right truncation
15:13 caroline_catlady in the biblio-koha-indexdefs :
15:13 caroline_catlady <index_control_field tag="008" offset="35" length="3">
15:13 caroline_catlady <target_index>ln:w</target_index>
15:13 caroline_catlady </index_control_field>
15:15 oleonard Thank you caroline_catlady
15:16 caroline_catlady sorry I can't help more... the knowledge is in the brain of someone else
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16:54 caroline_catlady oleonard: would it make more sense to display "Locked" in red rather than green?
16:54 oleonard I think so
16:55 caroline_catlady should I open a bz for that do you think?
16:55 oleonard Yes
17:02 caroline_catlady I put it in "Templates" so it was automatically assigned to you, bug 24012
17:02 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24012 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Display 'Locked' budget in red
17:04 * oleonard felt a disturbance in the Force
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17:28 * ashimema send subliminal message to remember colour blind users
17:31 caroline_catlady ashimema: what would be the best for colour-blind users?
17:31 oleonard Add a "lock" icon?
17:31 caroline_catlady I would like an icon even if I'm not colour blind :)
17:33 ashimema Great idea.
17:34 ashimema Red is good too for the not colour blind.. but I generally like to ask the question when someone adds something colour based to the UI
17:34 ashimema Icon in addition to red would be great
17:40 caroline_catlady I added a comment to the bz so we don't forget
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17:58 ashimema 😀
18:05 oleonard Still without a dev environment here. Still getting this from kohadevbox:
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18:12 ashimema Looks weirdly network related
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18:50 tcohen hi
18:50 oleonard Hi tcohen
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19:06 cait hi #koha
19:06 caroline_catlady hi cait!
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19:07 cait hi caroline_catlady :)
19:10 oleonard Hi cait, are you back from vacation?
19:16 tcohen hi cait
19:16 cait oleonard: nope, 2 more weeks
19:16 cait but got back from my dad's tody
19:16 tcohen hi oleonard
19:16 wahanui hi oleopard
19:16 tcohen bug 23893
19:16 cait hi tcohen :)
19:16 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23893 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add ->new_from_api and ->set_from_api methods to Koha::Object
19:16 cait sorry, probably not on duty tonight, just unpacked the laptop
19:18 tcohen just mentioning it for the broad audience
19:18 tcohen :-D
19:24 cait how is everyone?
19:29 oleonard Leaving! See y'all later
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20:36 corilynn cait, can you help me with your comment on bug 10047?
20:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10047 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Cataloguing search maybe useless?
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20:37 corilynn specifically "You could add it to advanced search pull downs using jQuery"
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21:07 cait ah sorry corilynn - was distracted
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21:07 corilynn no worries
21:07 cait are yo ustill around?
21:07 corilynn I am
21:07 cait so does it work for you when you search in keyword search like this: Control-number:xxx
21:07 corilynn in the cataloging search?
21:08 cait in the advanced search
21:08 corilynn hold on
21:08 corilynn you mean the left hand search area in the "Advanced Cataloging Editor"?
21:09 cait oh
21:09 cait i think it might be a misunderstanding
21:09 cait > We currently use the cataloging search because the Advanced Search doesn't > support searching by control number.
21:09 cait is what you wrote - did you mean Advanced Editor?
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21:10 corilynn it doesn't work on the catalog search either
21:10 corilynn No results found
21:10 corilynn No results match your search for 'Control-number:ghp0000001'.
21:10 corilynn wait, i'm on the wrong koha instance.
21:10 cait can you give me the url? I think we might be in different spots, just to check
21:10 cait wlel the last bit of the url
21:11 corilynn ok, that works on this page: /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.p​l?q=Control-number%3Aghp0000001
21:12 corilynn I wrote a bug for this page: /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/
21:12 corilynn hold on and I'll find it
21:13 corilynn Bug 23941
21:13 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23941 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Searching by Control Number doesn't return bibs in the "reservoir"
21:14 cait hm works for me... for addbooks - but nothing in reservoir int his installation, but I can find the record sin the normal catalog
21:14 cait using the Cataloging search
21:14 cait i wonder if this is due to some ... tricks... we use
21:14 corilynn I can find it in the catalog
21:14 cait we have mapped 001 to the biblio(items).ean column
21:14 corilynn but not the reservoir
21:14 cait ok, so we have the same result then
21:14 cait i misunderstood, thought you were talking about advanced search
21:15 cait there it would have been easy to solve... the reservoir is an sql based search so probably harder
21:15 corilynn right, so in the "Advanced Editor" search it won't search by control number at all
21:15 cait yep
21:15 cait well not good,... but it makes all sense now
21:16 corilynn even though it has a field for it
21:16 cait hm not good
21:16 corilynn[…]be4dba6bd13ba29e1
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21:16 cait probably something to do with the bib 1 attributes used
21:17 corilynn well, if it's configurable, i'd love to configure it
21:17 corilynn (and, at the top of that page it says "Advanced Search"
21:17 cait not at the moment :(
21:17 cait yeah, so we have mulitple of those
21:17 cait :)
21:17 corilynn so here's my point... if it works in search A, can we make it work in B, C, D, E etc?
21:18 corilynn the cataloging searches seem like such a hodge-podge
21:18 cait hodge-podge?
21:18 corilynn "Confused mixture"
21:19 corilynn hotchpotch describes a confused or disorderly mass or collection of things; a "mess" or a "jumble"
21:19 cait aha!
21:19 cait a good word
21:19 corilynn one of my favorites
21:21 * andreashm waves
21:22 corilynn cait, do you know how to do a "left justified" search?
21:22 cait do you mean something like *something ?
21:22 corilynn One of the catalogers wants to search titles that start with "Apple" not just have apple somewhere in the title
21:23 cait i'd always turn of autoquerytruncate to be honest
21:23 cait and truncate manually
21:23 cait it might work if they do ti,rtrn:Apple
21:24 caroline_catlady corilynn: startswithnt : subfield starts with
21:24 cait ooh
21:24 corilynn wait, what?
21:24 wahanui hmmm... wait, is 4XX for subjects?
21:24 cait is thatin the manual?
21:24 caroline_catlady or ti,first-in-subfield=C (will show you all titles that start with the letter ‘C’)
21:24 caroline_catlady[…]uide-to-searching
21:25 caroline_catlady never tried it first hand though
21:25 corilynn 4xx is for series
21:25 cait wahanui is just trying to confuse us :)
21:25 corilynn seriously
21:25 cait wahanui botsnack cookie
21:25 wahanui thanks cait :)
21:26 cait forget wait, what
21:26 wahanui wait, is 4XX for subjects?
21:26 cait wahanui: forget 'wait, what'
21:26 wahanui cait, I didn't have anything matching 'wait, what'
21:26 cait hmpf
21:26 caroline_catlady just wait maybe?
21:26 corilynn oh, wahanui is the bot, I always forget
21:26 corilynn Where do I put startswithnt ?
21:27 caroline_catlady normally, you put it in the search bar, preceded by the index you want ti search in, so ti,startswithnt:Apple
21:27 caroline_catlady wahanui: forget wait
21:27 wahanui caroline_catlady: I forgot wait
21:27 caroline_catlady wait, what?
21:27 wahanui wait, is 4XX for subjects?
21:27 caroline_catlady -_-
21:28 corilynn that doesn't seem to work, caroline_catlady
21:28 caroline_catlady wahanui: forget 4XX
21:28 wahanui caroline_catlady: I forgot 4xx
21:28 caroline_catlady wait, what?
21:28 wahanui rumour has it wait, is 4XX for subjects
21:28 caroline_catlady lol... -_-
21:28 corilynn I"m here: /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/
21:28 caroline_catlady wahanui: forget wait,
21:28 wahanui caroline_catlady: I forgot wait,
21:28 corilynn and I put that search string .. where?
21:28 caroline_catlady wait, what?
21:29 caroline_catlady excellent!
21:29 wahanui darn tootin' it is.
21:29 caroline_catlady corilynn: in any search bar
21:29 corilynn it says "no patron"
21:29 caroline_catlady ok, any search bar that searches for records
21:30 corilynn not working :(
21:30 corilynn ok, i'm here: /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/
21:30 corilynn I type in "Oracle"
21:31 corilynn there's a record with a title "The oracle"
21:32 caroline_catlady that makes sense
21:32 corilynn I put "ti,startswithnt:Oracle" and no results
21:32 corilynn I also tried lower case
21:33 corilynn does this work for you?
21:33 corilynn do I need to search somewhere else?
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21:33 caroline_catlady just a second
21:39 corilynn I figured it out, but Booo :(
21:39 corilynn I have to put "The oracle"
21:40 corilynn nope, nevermind, doesn't work for "Dust"
21:54 corilynn this works: ti,first-in-subfield=Cats
21:54 corilynn but not if the title is "The Cats"
21:56 caroline_catlady just to make sure, what are the indicators in field 245 for !The Cats"?
21:56 caroline_catlady Oh, wait
21:56 caroline_catlady I think indicators don't work with zebra
21:56 corilynn they do not
21:56 corilynn :(
21:57 cait notquite true
21:57 cait they work, bu tonly for sorting
21:57 cait if you sort on title
21:58 cait and use zebra
21:58 corilynn ah, but you can't sort by anything on /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/
21:58 corilynn so, Hodgepodge :(
21:58 cait ah ok, yep
21:58 cait catalouging search is... bit behind
21:58 corilynn no love for the catalogers
22:01 caroline_catlady Personnaly, I always tell my clients not to use cataloguing search, unless they need to merge...
22:01 corilynn caroline_catlady, we are a company of catalogers
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