Time Nick Message 00:38 mjkerpan something weird happened. 00:40 mjkerpan after running an "apt upgrade" command on my koha server, it forgot how it work and when i try to get into the admin interface, it wants to run the web installer 00:59 aleisha mjkerpan it sounds like your koha has upgraded. if you run through the installer again it will complete the upgrade for you 01:00 mjkerpan but neither my old password nor the one in koha-conf.xml seem to work 01:01 aleisha the username is koha_instance 01:01 aleisha for the installer 01:06 mjkerpan thanks. it's all fixed 01:06 aleisha cool :) 01:07 mjkerpan this stuff used to happen as part of the apckage upgrade process... 01:09 mjkerpan anyhow, i'll be moving my koha instance to a raspberry pi 4 this week. cutting power usage from 90-100 watts constant to about 2... 01:25 mjkerpan i would have done it today, but none of the machines at my sf club's library/clubhouse was actually able to flash an image over to a 64 gb micosd card... 07:33 marcelr hi #koha 09:05 Joubu @later tell rangi Can you have a look at bug 23672 please? 09:05 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 10:42 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23986: Pass strings to Catmandu for deletion <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cdea121ddb5c3e609ce698171a8dc319593a7780> 10:42 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23788: Recalculate ammount due for selected accountlines <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ef116c58debd516903607aed5852601f1283ece> 10:42 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23788: Rename $select_lines to $selected_lines <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4975e8b958ec6b3a01176911e765599aea566d09> 10:42 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23788: Rename $select to $selected_accts <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=059788e7368d1cbfcee270ee3d3dc5034d08e642> 11:15 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #529: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/529/ 11:23 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #998: SUCCESS in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/998/ 11:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #467: SUCCESS in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/467/ 11:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #530: STILL UNSTABLE in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/530/ 12:09 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #10: FAILURE in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/10/ 12:35 oleonard HI #koha 12:36 ashimema hi oleonard 12:36 wahanui hi oleopard 12:46 * andreashm waves 14:17 oleonard Since everyone is so quiet, I shall entertain you with a dialog from my work place: 14:17 oleonard Librarian: Hey Owen I hate it when Koha searching doesn't work the way I want it to 14:17 oleonard Me: Okay, can you give me examples? 14:17 oleonard Me: ... 14:18 oleonard Me: ... 14:18 oleonard Me: ... <dead> 14:18 oleonard And scene. 14:18 ashimema lol 14:18 andreashm *applause* 14:18 ashimema sounds pretty normal that. 14:22 andreashm yup 14:23 * andreashm loves when staff report errors after upgrades. "this is new, and wrong." Me: *looks at the server with the previous version* this is the exact same behaviour as before. 14:26 oleonard But actually they did come to me with a valid query: Why would the inclusion of an en dash cause a keyword search to fail 14:27 oleonard is the en dash interpreted as a search operator? 14:31 Joubu 7 result(s) found for 'kw,wrdl: food -'. 14:31 Joubu is that what you mean? 14:31 oleonard Yes 14:32 Joubu so it looks ok here 14:32 Joubu are you using elastic? 14:33 oleonard Zebra. The specific query was: 'kw,wrdl: I Am C-3PO – The Inside Story' which returns no results 14:33 oleonard As opposed to 'kw,wrdl: I Am C-3PO The Inside Story' which returns the correct record 14:35 * Joubu passes 14:35 Joubu but it seems to work in some cases.. 14:35 Joubu 6 result(s) found for 'kw,wrdl: food - rome'. 14:35 Joubu 6 result(s) found for 'kw,wrdl: food rome'. 14:35 Joubu it's ignored for me 14:37 oleonard Joubu: Are you sure you're testing with an en dash and not a hyphen? 14:37 oleonard A hyphen is ignored for me 14:38 Joubu no idea what an en dash is, so I guess I am testing with a hyphen :) 14:41 caroline_catlady hello everyone! 14:42 oleonard en dash: — hyphen: - 14:43 oleonard Wait, no: em dash: — en dash: – 14:49 eythian don't forget the swung dash: ⓠ14:49 eythian or the two-em for that matter: ⸺ 14:53 oleonard ~ ˜ ∼ 〜 ～ 14:54 oleonard ⎯ ⤠─ ➖ ⸺ ⸻ 14:55 oleonard Everyone remembers the first time they accidentally used a wave dash 〜 when they should have used a fullwidth tilde ～. So embarassing. 15:03 caroline_catlady oh god, yes, I remember it was april 25 1998, I was in school and the teacher told me in front of the whole class... so embarassing... 15:05 oleonard Anyone know if it's possible to add a facet for language as defined in 008? 15:06 caroline_catlady oleonard: with zebra or es? 15:06 oleonard zebra 15:06 oleonard I guess I'd like to know if it's possible either way. Using zebra now. 15:07 caroline_catlady I think with es you can customize facets much easier 15:08 caroline_catlady with zebra, I know it's possible, because my colleague has done it before, but you have to go into zebra configuration files and things 15:09 oleonard caroline_catlady: I guess I was assuming Koha's advanced search language limiter uses 008... Do you know if that is correct? 15:09 caroline_catlady yes that's what is used 15:09 caroline_catlady I think the index is called ln (LN) 15:10 oleonard 'ln,rtrn:spa' is what I see on the search results page 15:11 oleonard Do you know what the "rtrn" means? 15:12 caroline_catlady right truncation 15:13 caroline_catlady in the biblio-koha-indexdefs : 15:13 caroline_catlady <index_control_field tag="008" offset="35" length="3"> 15:13 caroline_catlady <target_index>ln:w</target_index> 15:13 caroline_catlady </index_control_field> 15:15 oleonard Thank you caroline_catlady 15:16 caroline_catlady sorry I can't help more... the knowledge is in the brain of someone else 16:54 caroline_catlady oleonard: would it make more sense to display "Locked" in red rather than green? https://snipboard.io/Gmqegl.jpg 16:54 oleonard I think so 16:55 caroline_catlady should I open a bz for that do you think? 16:55 oleonard Yes 17:02 caroline_catlady I put it in "Templates" so it was automatically assigned to you, bug 24012 17:02 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24012 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Display 'Locked' budget in red 17:04 * oleonard felt a disturbance in the Force 17:28 * ashimema send subliminal message to remember colour blind users 17:31 caroline_catlady ashimema: what would be the best for colour-blind users? 17:31 oleonard Add a "lock" icon? 17:31 caroline_catlady I would like an icon even if I'm not colour blind :) 17:33 ashimema Great idea. 17:34 ashimema Red is good too for the not colour blind.. but I generally like to ask the question when someone adds something colour based to the UI 17:34 ashimema Icon in addition to red would be great 17:40 caroline_catlady I added a comment to the bz so we don't forget 17:58 ashimema 😀 18:05 oleonard Still without a dev environment here. Still getting this from kohadevbox: https://gitlab.com/snippets/1912170 18:12 ashimema Looks weirdly network related 18:50 tcohen hi 18:50 oleonard Hi tcohen 19:06 cait hi #koha 19:06 caroline_catlady hi cait! 19:07 cait hi caroline_catlady :) 19:10 oleonard Hi cait, are you back from vacation? 19:16 tcohen hi cait 19:16 cait oleonard: nope, 2 more weeks 19:16 cait but got back from my dad's tody 19:16 tcohen hi oleonard 19:16 wahanui hi oleopard 19:16 tcohen bug 23893 19:16 cait hi tcohen :) 19:16 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23893 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add ->new_from_api and ->set_from_api methods to Koha::Object 19:16 cait sorry, probably not on duty tonight, just unpacked the laptop 19:18 tcohen just mentioning it for the broad audience 19:18 tcohen :-D 19:24 cait how is everyone? 19:29 oleonard Leaving! See y'all later 20:36 corilynn cait, can you help me with your comment on bug 10047? 20:36 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10047 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Cataloguing search maybe useless? 20:37 corilynn specifically "You could add it to advanced search pull downs using jQuery" 21:07 cait ah sorry corilynn - was distracted 21:07 corilynn no worries 21:07 cait are yo ustill around? 21:07 corilynn I am 21:07 cait so does it work for you when you search in keyword search like this: Control-number:xxx 21:07 corilynn in the cataloging search? 21:08 cait in the advanced search 21:08 corilynn hold on 21:08 corilynn you mean the left hand search area in the "Advanced Cataloging Editor"? 21:09 cait oh 21:09 cait i think it might be a misunderstanding 21:09 cait > We currently use the cataloging search because the Advanced Search doesn't > support searching by control number. 21:09 cait is what you wrote - did you mean Advanced Editor? 21:10 corilynn it doesn't work on the catalog search either 21:10 corilynn No results found 21:10 corilynn No results match your search for 'Control-number:ghp0000001'. 21:10 corilynn wait, i'm on the wrong koha instance. 21:10 cait can you give me the url? I think we might be in different spots, just to check 21:10 cait wlel the last bit of the url 21:11 corilynn ok, that works on this page: /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=Control-number%3Aghp0000001 21:12 corilynn I wrote a bug for this page: /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl 21:12 corilynn hold on and I'll find it 21:13 corilynn Bug 23941 21:13 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23941 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Searching by Control Number doesn't return bibs in the "reservoir" 21:14 cait hm works for me... for addbooks - but nothing in reservoir int his installation, but I can find the record sin the normal catalog 21:14 cait using the Cataloging search 21:14 cait i wonder if this is due to some ... tricks... we use 21:14 corilynn I can find it in the catalog 21:14 cait we have mapped 001 to the biblio(items).ean column 21:14 corilynn but not the reservoir 21:14 cait ok, so we have the same result then 21:14 cait i misunderstood, thought you were talking about advanced search 21:15 cait there it would have been easy to solve... the reservoir is an sql based search so probably harder 21:15 corilynn right, so in the "Advanced Editor" search it won't search by control number at all 21:15 cait yep 21:15 cait well not good,... but it makes all sense now 21:16 corilynn even though it has a field for it 21:16 cait hm not good 21:16 corilynn https://paste.pics/4ad8738457636c4be4dba6bd13ba29e1 21:16 cait probably something to do with the bib 1 attributes used 21:17 corilynn well, if it's configurable, i'd love to configure it 21:17 corilynn (and, at the top of that page it says "Advanced Search" 21:17 cait not at the moment :( 21:17 cait yeah, so we have mulitple of those 21:17 cait :) 21:17 corilynn so here's my point... if it works in search A, can we make it work in B, C, D, E etc? 21:18 corilynn the cataloging searches seem like such a hodge-podge 21:18 cait hodge-podge? 21:18 corilynn "Confused mixture" 21:19 corilynn hotchpotch describes a confused or disorderly mass or collection of things; a "mess" or a "jumble" 21:19 cait aha! 21:19 cait a good word 21:19 corilynn one of my favorites 21:21 * andreashm waves 21:22 corilynn cait, do you know how to do a "left justified" search? 21:22 cait do you mean something like *something ? 21:22 corilynn One of the catalogers wants to search titles that start with "Apple" not just have apple somewhere in the title 21:23 cait i'd always turn of autoquerytruncate to be honest 21:23 cait and truncate manually 21:23 cait it might work if they do ti,rtrn:Apple 21:24 caroline_catlady corilynn: startswithnt : subfield starts with 21:24 cait ooh 21:24 corilynn wait, what? 21:24 wahanui hmmm... wait, is 4XX for subjects? 21:24 cait is thatin the manual? 21:24 caroline_catlady or ti,first-in-subfield=C (will show you all titles that start with the letter ‘C’) 21:24 caroline_catlady https://koha-community.org/manual/18.11/en/html/searching.html#guide-to-searching 21:25 caroline_catlady never tried it first hand though 21:25 corilynn 4xx is for series 21:25 cait wahanui is just trying to confuse us :) 21:25 corilynn seriously 21:25 cait wahanui botsnack cookie 21:25 wahanui thanks cait :) 21:26 cait forget wait, what 21:26 wahanui wait, is 4XX for subjects? 21:26 cait wahanui: forget 'wait, what' 21:26 wahanui cait, I didn't have anything matching 'wait, what' 21:26 cait hmpf 21:26 caroline_catlady just wait maybe? 21:26 corilynn oh, wahanui is the bot, I always forget 21:26 corilynn Where do I put startswithnt ? 21:27 caroline_catlady normally, you put it in the search bar, preceded by the index you want ti search in, so ti,startswithnt:Apple 21:27 caroline_catlady wahanui: forget wait 21:27 wahanui caroline_catlady: I forgot wait 21:27 caroline_catlady wait, what? 21:27 wahanui wait, is 4XX for subjects? 21:27 caroline_catlady -_- 21:28 corilynn that doesn't seem to work, caroline_catlady 21:28 caroline_catlady wahanui: forget 4XX 21:28 wahanui caroline_catlady: I forgot 4xx 21:28 caroline_catlady wait, what? 21:28 wahanui rumour has it wait, is 4XX for subjects 21:28 caroline_catlady lol... -_- 21:28 corilynn I"m here: /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl 21:28 caroline_catlady wahanui: forget wait, 21:28 wahanui caroline_catlady: I forgot wait, 21:28 corilynn and I put that search string .. where? 21:28 caroline_catlady wait, what? 21:29 caroline_catlady excellent! 21:29 wahanui darn tootin' it is. 21:29 caroline_catlady corilynn: in any search bar 21:29 corilynn it says "no patron" 21:29 caroline_catlady ok, any search bar that searches for records 21:30 corilynn not working :( 21:30 corilynn ok, i'm here: /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl 21:30 corilynn I type in "Oracle" 21:31 corilynn there's a record with a title "The oracle" 21:32 caroline_catlady that makes sense 21:32 corilynn I put "ti,startswithnt:Oracle" and no results 21:32 corilynn I also tried lower case 21:33 corilynn does this work for you? 21:33 corilynn do I need to search somewhere else? 21:33 caroline_catlady just a second 21:39 corilynn I figured it out, but Booo :( 21:39 corilynn I have to put "The oracle" 21:40 corilynn nope, nevermind, doesn't work for "Dust" 21:54 corilynn this works: ti,first-in-subfield=Cats 21:54 corilynn but not if the title is "The Cats" 21:56 caroline_catlady just to make sure, what are the indicators in field 245 for !The Cats"? 21:56 caroline_catlady Oh, wait 21:56 caroline_catlady I think indicators don't work with zebra 21:56 corilynn they do not 21:56 corilynn :( 21:57 cait notquite true 21:57 cait they work, bu tonly for sorting 21:57 cait if you sort on title 21:58 cait and use zebra 21:58 corilynn ah, but you can't sort by anything on /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl 21:58 corilynn so, Hodgepodge :( 21:58 cait ah ok, yep 21:58 cait catalouging search is... bit behind 21:58 corilynn no love for the catalogers 22:01 caroline_catlady Personnaly, I always tell my clients not to use cataloguing search, unless they need to merge... 22:01 corilynn caroline_catlady, we are a company of catalogers