Time Nick Message 23:05 caroline_crazycatlady on that note, good night everyone! 23:05 caroline_crazycatlady I should probably ask when it's daytime in France... anyway, too late now with the String freeze starting tomorrow 22:59 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23983 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Contextualization of "Order" (verb) vs "Order" (noun) 22:59 caroline_crazycatlady anyone care to test or qa bug 23983? *grins* 22:48 cait hi alexbuckley :) 22:47 alexbuckley hi cait :) 22:47 alexbuckley caroline_crazycatlady++ yes they sure are complicated :) 22:33 cait caroline_crazycatlady++ 22:24 caroline_crazycatlady numbering patterns are already so complicated, when I tell them they have to add something manually, they're like "oh ok! that's easy" 22:20 alexbuckley ahh very interesting, thank you so much for that Caroline that's very helpful! :) 22:19 caroline_crazycatlady Volume is X, No is Y, month is Z and I tell librarians to add 2019 manually upon receipt 22:18 caroline_crazycatlady I've had some serials like Vol. 31, No 4 March 2019 22:18 caroline_crazycatlady you have to add it manually when you receive the item 22:18 alexbuckley if you're not sure all good, just interested if you can add to the number of data values in a numbering pattern 22:17 alexbuckley I have a question you know in the 'Manage numbering patterns' page in the Serials module, you have three different 'columns' x,y, and z does that mean you are restricted to only 3 different peices of data in a numbering pattern? e.g. I can add issue number, vol number, year but what if I wanted to add another value 22:16 alexbuckley ooo hopefully it carries on so you get a lovely white christmas :) 22:15 caroline_crazycatlady heh! just got our first snowstorm here :) 22:14 alexbuckley yeah I am good thanks, looking forward to summer :) 22:14 caroline_crazycatlady not too bad, and you? 22:14 alexbuckley how are you going caroline_crazycatlady ? 22:13 caroline_crazycatlady hi alexbuckley! 22:13 alexbuckley hi everyone! 20:59 caroline_crazycatlady :) 20:59 caroline_crazycatlady you did sound grumpy, but it's understandable 20:56 * ashimema hopes he didn't sound too grumpy there.. a tad tired 20:53 magnuse ashimema++ 20:38 * ashimema can only fight battles on so many fronts at a time I'm afraid.. 20:36 ashimema So.. yes, we will certainly accept merge requests 20:34 ashimema Still working out how to do that right now 20:34 ashimema I'm working with tcohen to help move those forward.. we've already added the koha2koha backend into the gitlab repo and he's done some work to port it to working as a plugin. I intend to write a mail soon to promote that we were going to 'donate' our code as the foundation for a community supported effort for that and the freeform backends as they seem to fit well.. we will of course continue to contribute to them.. included translations 20:32 ashimema As for plugins and backends.. 20:32 ashimema Anywho.. let's not argue that.. it's been in core for a long time now and we're happy to work on adding translatability 20:31 cait too late for ILL - just for the future 20:30 ashimema We already self funding 90% of the development 20:30 cait i can cheat someties for German/English... but with the many languages we use now for the Goethe Institute libraires I stand no chance 20:30 ashimema Well.. we simply wouldn't have been able to submit the code with translation code in it 20:30 cait i guess we are hurt more than ohters 20:30 ashimema Generic send and freeform backend should be merged and put in core 20:30 magnuse +1 20:30 cait for new devs... let's not accept stuff without being translatable anymore please 20:29 cait it has always been a great pain to add translation afterwards for people 20:29 ashimema More than happy for people to jump on board though.. would love to see ILL flourish 20:29 cait we shouldn't do that anymore 20:29 ashimema Yes, translations are high on the agenda but no-one has stepped forward to fund them and the code was significantly more complex to add at the time of original submission 20:29 ashimema Freeform should certainly be a core thing.. it goes t split out way bad during the original QA cycle if I remember correctly 20:28 wahanui bidet, cait 20:28 cait hello 20:27 wahanui bidet, ashimema 20:27 ashimema Hi 20:01 rangi :) 20:01 magnuse i'll read the article :-) 20:00 magnuse are you then notified about the changes to the configile? so you can adjust what puppet puts in place? 20:00 magnuse i use ansible 20:00 magnuse cool 19:59 rangi so we let unattend-upgrades change and puppet puts it back 19:59 rangi we have our config under puppet 19:59 rangi } 19:59 rangi Dpkg::Options { "--force-confdef"; "--force-confold"; 19:59 rangi like 19:58 rangi you can put these in your 50-unattended-upgrades file 19:58 rangi https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/21/debian-conffile-configuration-file-managed-by-dpkg/ 19:58 rangi with Dpkg::Options 19:58 rangi you can specify it's behaviour 19:57 * magnuse has some servers on jessie too 19:56 magnuse sometimes there is a package that updates a configfile that has been edited manually, and when you run apt-get update you get a question to display the diff, keep the old or replace with the new. how does unattended-upgrades handle that? 19:56 rangi we have most on 9 (stretch) but still a couple of jessie ones too 19:55 rangi yup 19:55 magnuse and buster is... 10? 19:54 rangi over the next few months 19:54 rangi next thing is bring our servers up to buster 19:54 rangi yup 19:54 magnuse on debian, right? 19:54 magnuse kewl! 19:53 rangi it works well 19:53 magnuse yeah, that was what i was thinking of 19:53 rangi on our production machines that is 19:53 rangi but koha-common is blacklisted 19:53 rangi yep 19:52 magnuse anyone tried unattended-upgrades on a koha server? 19:52 magnuse nice 19:52 rangi we are thinking for sponsorhip ideas for this year, companies who send someone get an automatic listing as sponsored, so it could be librotech+2 if you and petter, bywater solutions+3 etc .. we'd rather have people come than spend money on sponsoring (both is cool too though hehe) 19:50 rangi :) 19:49 magnuse hehe 19:49 magnuse no talk submitted, but i might go anyway 19:48 rangi :) 19:48 rangi hint hint 19:48 rangi its warm in nz 19:48 * magnuse needs a warm jacket 19:47 rangi has magnuse submitted a talk yet? I dont think so! 19:46 cait magnuse: join our gang an dyou might get a cool jacket ;) 19:45 magnuse cait++ for being the bad guy 19:44 oleonard See y'all later 19:38 kathryn hi cait :) 19:38 * cait waves at kathryn 19:38 cait i hoped his ears (or irc client) would be ringing :) 19:38 cait yep 19:36 caroline_crazycatlady I think she meant to write on the wiki what he figured out about the plugins 19:33 oleonard cait: What do you mean, "what tcohen figured out on the wiki for the plugins" ? 19:33 caroline_crazycatlady it makes no sense to me that I have to do all kinds of technical stuff in the conf file to get a basic feature 19:33 caroline_crazycatlady I think the freeform ILL should be core to Koha and then the other more specific ones as plugins 19:31 cait so other plugin writers could adopt it 19:31 cait (moving it out of core code) 19:31 cait because it hink they found a way to do ti for the planned paypal plugin 19:30 cait i have been wondering if we could put at least what tcohen figured out on the wiki for the plugins *coughs* 19:30 rangi yay :) 19:30 cait caroline_crazycatlady: that sounds great 19:30 caroline_crazycatlady blou is telling me we are going to change the backend so that it is translatable and submit it on the git... hopefully PTFS-E will accept the change 19:29 cait :) 19:26 rangi you could just have translation is important, and then translate it into tons of languages on your jacket :) 19:25 cait oh yep 19:24 caroline_crazycatlady we could have badass librarian jackets 19:24 rangi :-) 19:24 caroline_crazycatlady if I give a talk, Eric will have to send me ;) 19:24 caroline_crazycatlady rangi: hopefully, it will get me a trip to nz hehe!! 19:23 rangi :0 19:23 cait let's be a team of bad guys... maybe get motorcycles 19:23 cait and I am getting very tired of being the bad guy 19:23 rangi thanks for the submissions caroline_crazycatlady ! 19:23 caroline_crazycatlady oh hi rangi! 19:23 cait because usually it's me 19:23 cait and I will be happy to have other people point that out for a change 19:23 cait yep 19:23 cait and so all you can do is change your backend 19:23 caroline_crazycatlady hm, that sucks 19:23 cait a lot of strings come from the perl code of the module even... 19:23 rangi oh yeah i remember you pointing that out 19:22 cait they didn't make that possible 19:22 cait i think i have bad news about translation 19:22 cait hm 19:15 caroline_crazycatlady ugh, also, when I create a request, it doesn't appear in the list 19:13 caroline_crazycatlady I'm just trying to figure out how to translate the interface 19:12 * cait tries to get out from under caroline_crazycatlady 19:12 cait i have tested a bit a while ago, if it's something generic... maybe i can help 19:12 cait but we still need to build our own backend 19:12 cait i hope one day we will 19:12 cait hehe 19:05 caroline_crazycatlady ah! cait! do you use the ill module? 19:05 * caroline_crazycatlady jumps on cait 18:51 caroline_crazycatlady trying to figure out how to translate the interface... 18:51 caroline_crazycatlady any non-english-speaking library is using the freeform ill backend right now? 18:23 caroline_crazycatlady it's a bit late... 18:23 caroline_crazycatlady anyone from PTFS-E around? 17:04 reiveune bye 16:45 * oleonard waves to talljoy 16:37 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 16:37 ashimema @later tell sev_q any chance you could take another look at bug 23767, I've added a followup to hopefully deal with the total available column now 16:29 Joubu the MySQL fix (from 23579) is not released yet 16:28 qalbaqali The mysql fix is on the unstable? 16:28 vfernandes I will go with that solution Joubu 16:28 qalbaqali appreciate the help 16:28 qalbaqali alright thank you Joubu :) Ill give it a try tomorrow 16:27 Joubu qalbaqali: follow this guide https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages at the end pick MariaDB instead of MySQL (section "MariaDB or MySQL") 16:25 Joubu vfernandes: define it in the .tt: var your_pref_value = '[% Koha.Preference('your_pref') %]'; then access it in the .js, using the JS variable 16:25 qalbaqali Nov 12 07:54:31 ubuntu koha-common[61414]: You can install them with: Nov 12 07:54:31 ubuntu koha-common[61414]: sudo a2enmod headers proxy_http Nov 12 07:54:31 ubuntu koha-common[61414]: Error: you must provide at least one instance name Nov 12 07:54:31 ubuntu systemd[1]: Started LSB: Start required services for each Koha instance. 16:24 qalbaqali ◠koha-common.service - LSB: Start required services for each Koha instance Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/koha-common; bad; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (exited) since Tue 2019-11-12 07:54:31 PST; 30min ago Docs: man:systemd-sysv-generator(8) Nov 12 07:54:31 ubuntu systemd[1]: Starting LSB: Start required services for each Koha instance... Nov 12 07:54:31 ubuntu koha-common[61414]: WARNING: koha-plack requires so 16:24 vfernandes something like KOHA.preferences.CircControl 16:24 qalbaqali Joubu: Failed to restart koha-common.service: The name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 was not provided by any .service files See system logs and 'systemctl status koha-common.service' for details. 16:22 vfernandes for example: get the value of CircControl 16:21 vfernandes oleanard any systempreference (opac or intranet related) 16:21 Joubu `service koha-common restart` 16:20 qalbaqali Joubu: is koha-common a process that I need to restart? 16:19 Joubu install mariadb-server, then restart koha-common, cross fingers, and try again 16:19 qalbaqali alright thanks :) 16:19 Joubu install mariadb-server, then restart koha-common, and try again 16:19 qalbaqali do I need to re install koha again? Or is there somewhere to change the db configs? 16:19 oleonard vfernandes: Is it the OPAC you're asking about? 16:18 vfernandes thanks oleonard 16:18 ashimema mysql14.. 16:18 Joubu Try with MariaDB instead of MySQL 16:18 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23579 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to stable , error during web install: 'changed_fields' can't have a default value 16:18 Joubu qalbaqali: bug 23579 16:18 qalbaqali Is this a known issue? 16:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17498 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Expose system preference values to JavaScript in the OPAC 16:17 oleonard Bug 17498 16:17 qalbaqali Getting this error on a fresh install on Ubuntu 16, Mysql v14.14 - [Tue Nov 12 08:16:23 2019] install.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: BLOB, TEXT, GEOMETRY or JSON column 'changed_fields' can't have a default value at /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/RunSQL.pm line 273. 16:17 oleonard vfernandes: I proposed something like that for the OPAC but it is still undeveloped 16:16 vfernandes it's possible to get a Koha systempreferences in some custom Javascript? 16:09 Joubu well, maybe a cache issue actually 16:03 Joubu or both :) 16:02 Joubu it's actually the order 16:02 Joubu ha, no 16:02 ashimema oh nice.. well spotted 16:01 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24022 major, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Z3950Responder tests are failing on D8 and U18 16:01 Joubu ashimema: bug 24022 16:00 eythian itym "wiz+zyre+a" 16:00 ashimema ? 15:59 Joubu wizzyrea++ # race condition 15:53 ashimema I wasn't sure which way to jump on that one.. at the time I was thinking we'd try to support the default db server versions for each os version we supported.. but I think we're better off looking ahead and at more db versions in general now.. 15:53 qalbaqali Hi guys :) I am setting up koha on an ubuntu server. Looking at https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages#Initial_Configuration I want to have the URL to the library on 'library.com' and the admin panel to be on 'admin.library.com' for example. How would I set my koha-sites.conf variables to make this happen? 15:53 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #469: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 0 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/469/ 15:52 ashimema we could change the names to reflect the actual db server version instead.. 15:52 ashimema correct 15:49 Joubu tcohen: docker-compose.mariadb9.yml means default MariaDB version for D9? 15:45 * ashimema is generally pretty pragmatic about these things... 15:45 ashimema For larger sets in also more than happy for people to just link to a GitHub/gitlab URL.. I find those very helpful for such cases.. a quick bug comment in bugzilla when there's a change is all that's needed. 15:38 kohaputti e.g. linux kernel 15:38 kohaputti In other projects I have worked we also submit a v2, v3, etc. and it has worked really well. In the v2, v3 etc. of the patch set we attach a cover letter describing the changes since last revision 15:36 * ashimema is in school run, brb 15:35 kohaputti like adding (squashme) (the same way we use (follow-up)).. Or maybe the RM/QA can check if the (follow-up) commits are from the same author 15:35 kohaputti okay, if you want to proceed with this then I think those commits that the author wants to squash should be marked explicitly so 15:33 Joubu basically what ashimema just said... too slow... 15:33 Joubu kohaputti: also, if you need a squashed view, you can still squash and git log, when squashed you cannot undo 15:32 ashimema I nearly always check out such a branch and look at the set as a whole in other tools 15:31 Joubu and I am confident with QA and RM to squash when needed 15:31 ashimema I must admit, I don't often squash as RM.. I probably should more but I actually find it good to have the commits to see the thought process 15:31 Joubu when I was RM I used to squash follow-up when history was not needed 15:31 kohaputti Joubu, my brain can't process too many follow-ups 15:30 Joubu unless you reviewed it maybe? 15:30 ashimema I tend to agree.. I like to see followups so I can see the individual bits are done 15:30 kohaputti okay, I prefer to have one patch fully working that I can review so I don't have to keep up like "oh but this is fixed in the later follow-up". 15:29 kohaputti two non-related* 15:29 Joubu review is much easier as it 15:29 kohaputti Joubu, sure, the QA/RM person can squash to non-related commits accidentally 15:29 Joubu When I fail QA a patch I prefer to see the diff of the requested changes instead of a new patch. So I think others prefer as well 15:28 Joubu kohaputti: I am the author of this guideline, so I am aware of it 15:28 Joubu mistake a squash? 15:27 kohaputti Joubu, your last comment on squashing that you just sent: I disagree since RM or QA can make a mistake so no one is reviewing that step then 15:25 ashimema 😀 15:25 kohaputti Joubu, yup 15:25 ashimema kohaputti 15:24 Joubu Joonas around? 15:23 ashimema Thanks for all your hard work on that Joubu 15:23 ashimema Nearly there on m8 😀 15:19 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #11: NOW UNSTABLE in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/11/ 14:53 sev_q Bye Koha ! 14:50 Joubu nope it looks like a network issue 14:49 ashimema ruled timezone and incorrect time out.. 14:48 wizzyrea timezone, race condition, incorrect time, tests run in different order 14:42 ashimema I can't replicate them at all here 14:42 ashimema grr.. I really don't understand why those fail on jenkins 14:40 Joubu it's failing randomly, it's its fault 14:39 oleonard Joubu: It's not koha-jenkins' fault! 14:38 Joubu we should teach wahanui to insult koha-jenkins 14:37 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #531: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/531/ 14:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #999: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/999/ 14:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #468: UNSTABLE in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/468/ 14:24 oleonard I like your explanation better caroline_catlady 14:24 caroline_catlady hehe! 14:24 caroline_catlady oleonard: still trying hypens? 14:24 oleonard ^ oleonard cleaning his keyboard with some reckless cursor focus 14:22 oleonard - 14:02 oleonard Hi caroline_catlady 13:58 caroline_catlady good morning! 13:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24002: Incorrect DATE value: '00-00-0000' in NewsChannels.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e602c275b3687460c55f3f103781f2a44bdbee8> 13:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24002: Incorrect DATE value: '' in C4/Bookseller.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=508a5addf15170d32dea0f21e3acf569596db228> 13:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24002: Incorrect DATE value: '0000-00-00' in C4/Serials.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5e5c47ea300b7eb34cbcd3e71ff4a1ac9a3eaa38> 13:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24002: Incorrect DATE value: '00-00-0000' in C4/Serials.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d3336ed6607d80b72502075ebf9567cf48e1709> 13:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24002: Incorrect DATE value: '0000-00-00' in C4/Acquisition.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b16c7c0615f41dde587370ba32ca5711ae8127dd> 13:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24002: Incorrect DATE value: '' in C4/Acquisition.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a70320077c7bb9878762e42d39211ab4de8e19dd> 13:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24002: One more occurrence of datecancellationprinted <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=150361c0e58e9a049b03693ce4859b9035d5c558> 13:37 oleonard Librarians might find themselves needing to batch update patron records without card numbers 13:37 Joubu but, well, yes, same for biblionumber and itemnumber ;) 13:36 Joubu IIRC "borrowernumber is an internal id, librarians do not use it and do not need it" 13:35 magnuse because no one implemented it yet? 13:23 oleonard Complaining: Why can't we add to a patron list or do batch patron modification by borrowernumber? 13:22 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23765 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , After TranslateNotices is set to 'Don't allow', email settings still show multiple languages 13:22 ashimema anyone on QA fancy picking up bug 23765 13:21 magnuse hm, if plack is running and you restart the server, plack should start up again automatically, shouldn't it? 12:37 wahanui hi oleopard 12:37 calire hi oleonard 12:35 oleonard Hi #koha 11:15 liliputech_asu bon appétit! 10:54 sev_q salut liliputech_asu ! 10:54 lilipute1h_asu sev_q: salut :) 09:55 sev_q Bonjour Koha ! 08:50 magnuse kia ora ashimema 08:48 ashimema mornin' 08:40 magnuse 🇸🇪 08:40 magnuse yay! 08:38 * andreashm waves a miniature Norwegian flag 08:35 magnuse tjänare andreashm 08:30 andreashm hi pizza-magnuse! 08:27 pizzaguy bon jour! 08:19 andreashm Salut! 07:57 wahanui hola, alex_a 07:57 alex_a Bonjour 07:36 reiveune hello 06:34 liliputech_asu hi koha