IRC log for #koha, 2019-04-09

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05:37 fridolin hi there
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06:12 ashimema :D
06:12 ashimema 10!
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06:21 magnuse ashimema++ for RM!
06:21 ashimema :)
06:25 magnuse then you can sneak in all the crazy ill goodies without anyone noticing!
06:28 ashimema lol
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06:41 reiveune hello
06:43 magnuse bonjour reiveune
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06:57 alex_a bonjour
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07:05 magnuse kia ora alex_a
07:08 ashimema alex_a
07:08 ashimema Are you still interested in / working on bug 8137
07:08 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Failed QA , Checkout limit by patron category for all libraries
07:09 ashimema I've got a customer wanting to test it
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08:22 * ashimema wants the QA scripts to magically run the relevant tests.. it's all too easy to forget to run them
08:22 ashimema @later tell cait I'm catching up ;)
08:22 huginn` ashimema: The operation succeeded.
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09:01 cait hay_fever--
09:03 cait good morning all
09:06 cait oh, that's quiet
09:08 ashimema hi
09:08 cait life! :D
09:09 tuxayo o/ cait ashimema
09:12 magnuse hiya cait ashimema tuxayo
09:13 magnuse anyone familiar with how "Netloan PC Bookings" talks to SIP2?
09:16 cait sorry, never heard of it
09:17 ashimema we have customers using it I think
09:17 ashimema I leave SIP configs to others here though..
09:18 ashimema anything in particular you're struggling with magnuse
09:18 ashimema is bug 11573 still a thing?
09:20 cait bug 11573
09:20 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11573 normal, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Failed QA , change description of rental charges in account fines
09:20 cait i believe so
09:20 ashimema no idea why that didn't work first time
09:20 cait but it might be a duplicate
09:20 cait let me check
09:21 ashimema looks like it's not been touched in nearly 3 years
09:21 ashimema still.. I've ressurected older recently
09:22 cait there was a patch from caroline recently
09:22 cait i am looking for it
09:22 ashimema the patches on this one are wierd..
09:23 cait i think we might be able to close this one as duplicate: bug 17413
09:23 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17413 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Translatability: Rental fee, Renewal of Rental Item etc. are hard coded
09:24 ashimema a quick glance at the code make's me think it doesn't stand a chance of working
09:24 ashimema excellent
09:24 wahanui darn tootin' it is.
09:24 cait still looking for the other bug i was thinking of
09:25 magnuse ashimema: netloan blames a problem on koha, so i wonder when it actually talks to koha/sip2 - just when a reservastion is made, or also when the patron tries to "use" the reservation
09:25 cait ah found it, but it was another related one: bug 21953
09:25 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21953 minor, P5 - low, ---, caroline.cyr-la-rose, Failed QA , Term "Lost item" is untranslatable
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09:27 ashimema hmm
09:31 * cait tries to interpret hmm and fails
09:33 cait i feel we really need to do something about the pay form
09:33 ashimema huh?
09:33 ashimema what are you trying to interpret cait?
09:34 cait i entered the amount i want to pay, it's less than the amount i owe... and the system tells me that i need to give change?
09:34 ashimema erm.. that's plain wrong
09:34 cait is it just the labelling being confusing and i entered it wrong... or what's going on there?
09:34 ashimema I find those fields really confusing now
09:34 ashimema why do we need 'outstanding,
09:34 cait same
09:34 ashimema 'paid' and 'collected'
09:34 ashimema having all three is just wierd
09:35 cait outstanding makes sense... to me
09:35 cait it's the total on the account due
09:35 cait but we used to nly have amount paid
09:35 ashimema indeed
09:35 ashimema but all three just confuses matter
09:35 cait i have no idea what the collect from is for
09:35 cait ah
09:35 ashimema what the 'collect from patron' there for at all?
09:35 cait i guess i know say: i want to pay 6 but i gave you 13.20...
09:35 cait but... that's just super odd
09:35 cait and i don't want to enter 2 fields
09:36 ashimema totally
09:37 ashimema isn't it a bit strange to allow someone to hand over a £20 when they owe £10 but allow them to only pay £5.
09:37 ashimema feels like a really fringe case.. might happen very ocassionally in real life
09:38 ashimema but surely you just calculate the change yourself at that point
09:39 ashimema want me to rescue bug 21953 cait
09:39 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21953 minor, P5 - low, ---, caroline.cyr-la-rose, Failed QA , Term "Lost item" is untranslatable
09:39 ashimema sorta looks like it won't get any love otherwise
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10:16 cait wizzycray: could you take a look at bug 22359 please? looking for opinions
10:16 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22359 enhancement, P5 - low, 19.05, koha-bugs, NEW , Improve usability of 'change calculation' (bug 11373)
10:29 greenjimll Just to join in the chorus, I asked the guys here about due/paid/collected and they think its nuts too. :-)
10:31 cait ashimema: yes plz
10:31 cait greenjimll: can you comment on the bug please? I tink it could give it some push
10:32 cait greenjimll: I feel a bit lonely there right now :)
10:32 cait also if you have ideas how to fix it
10:38 greenjimll cait: which of the bugs mentioned this morning is the one that needs the comment?
10:38 cait bug 22359
10:38 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22359 normal, P5 - low, 19.05, koha-bugs, NEW , Improve usability of 'change calculation' (bug 11373)
10:38 cait for the change cash thing
10:48 greenjimll OK, comment made.  The only thing we could thing of is if some sites need to reconcile Koha payment records to ones from an EPOS till system.
10:48 greenjimll s/thing of/think of/
10:52 cait greenjimll: i just commented back
10:52 cait i think the idea was to help people calculate
10:53 cait but I tihnk it needs to step back to be more optional
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11:02 cait trying to see where we build the table of saved reports to fix bug 22357
11:02 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22357 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Every run of with --store-results creates a new row in saved reports
11:09 ashimema bug 21953 back to SO for a final quick QA run on the two followups I added.
11:09 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21953 minor, P5 - low, ---, caroline.cyr-la-rose, Signed Off , Term "Lost item" is untranslatable
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11:13 cait i have a fix... bt i am not sure why the line I deleted was there in the first place :(
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11:19 cait ashimema: did you mean to touch bug 12156?
11:19 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12156 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Merging staged records with no 952c with records created in acquisitions loses data from both
11:20 cait ah already fixed
11:20 josef_moravec cait: see bug 17535, it added the line you are going to remove in bug 22357
11:20 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17535 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, CLOSED FIXED, Regression: Search for reports by keywords
11:20 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22357 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Every run of with --store-results creates a new row in saved reports
11:20 cait thx josef_moravec!
11:20 ashimema er no..
11:21 ashimema not seen 12156 before
11:21 ashimema did I do sometihng>?#
11:21 ashimema :confused:
11:22 cait josef_moravec: this code is quite confusing
11:22 cait i am not even sure what it would do with saved_reports as we are not searching there
11:22 cait or do we really want to search in results?
11:22 josef_moravec cait: I don't think so
11:23 josef_moravec before 17535, the test was broken, is it passing after your fix?
11:23 josef_moravec for now?
11:23 cait hm it looks like we do
11:24 cait
11:24 cait i am going to fail my patch... but given that I am really not sure how to fix it, someone else might have to have a go
11:28 cait josef_moravec: i had a feeling thi swas not going to be so easy... but as the bug hasn#t received much attention so far :)
11:28 cait do you have a clue how we could fix this right?
11:29 josef_moravec cait: sadly no, to be honest, I do not know the reports code much...
11:30 cait it's quite confusing
11:30 cait maybe the link to the other bug will wake up Joubu
11:31 * ashimema thinks Joubu is happily sunning himself on a beach somewhere
11:32 * cait misses him
11:33 ashimema me too
11:44 magnuse ashimema, AndrewIsh: do you think there is a chance bug 22280 got solved as a side effect of something else? i can't seem to reproduce the problem on master
11:44 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22280 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , The ILL module assumes every status needs a next/previous status
11:46 cait can someone remind me how to fix htis? [NoNodes] ** No nodes are available: [localhost:9200], called from sub Search::Elasticsearch::Role​::Client::Direct::__ANON__ at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/Koha/Sear​chEngine/Elasticsearch/ line 382.kohadev-koha@kohadevbox:/home/vagrant/kohaclone$ exit
11:49 cait i started the service, but the status is red
11:49 cait
11:51 kidclamp check var/log/elasticsearch/elasticsearch.log
11:51 kidclamp the service didn't start for some reason
11:54 magnuse not enough tuits!
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12:08 oleonard Hi all
12:15 AndrewIsh magnuse:  Nothing springs to mind that could have mitigated that bug!
12:16 magnuse gah
12:16 magnuse i better test more carefully, then
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12:27 cait kidclamp: running out to meet a friend for icecream - maybe if oyu are still around later we can have a look at elastic?
12:29 kidclamp sure
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13:15 magnuse why don't we have autocomplete="off" on fields where you search for patron data like name etc?
13:16 oleonard There was a bug that did that some time ago... maybe some exceptions have crept in?
13:18 oleonard Bug 5009
13:18 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5009 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, CLOSED FIXED, add autocomplete="off" to borrowernumbers and barcode forms
13:18 oleonard Bug 12283
13:18 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12283 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, RESOLVED FIXED, Set autocomplete=off for patron search input
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13:28 oleonard Bug 22553
13:28 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22553 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Unchecking a subpermission does not uncheck the top level permission
13:29 magnuse thanks oleonard
13:29 MauBR Hello friends good mornign (depending your country :)). I have a question, please help me. I am trying to edit the 000 header field, 18 subfield but in administration / Marc structure the 000 field does not shows the subfields inside 000 header... where can I find the subfields for edit???
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13:31 oleonard I think strictly speaking 000 doesn't have subfields, MauBR
13:31 oleonard Are you using MARC21?
13:32 oleonard MauBR: When you edit the subfields for 000 do you see just the "@" tab?
13:33 MauBR Hello Leonard. Yes I am using MARC. I need to edit the value of the 18th position of the header 000. In my case it shows "a- AACR 2", but i want to change it to default value: "i- Incluye puntuación ISBD"
13:34 MauBR but I do not know where to change it.
13:34 MauBR yes I see the @ tab
13:35 oleonard As far as I know there is no setting to change that
13:36 oleonard But you could probably do it with some custom JavaScript. Let me give it a try.
13:37 MauBR Thank you Leonard.
13:39 oleonard MauBR: Do you currently have any code in the intranetuserjs system preference?
13:39 MauBR let me see
13:40 MauBR No i dont Leonard
13:41 pastebot "oleonard" at pasted "MauBR: Add this to the intranetuserjs system preference:" (5 lines) at
13:42 MauBR ok
13:42 MauBR should I restart apache after that?
13:43 oleonard No
13:43 MauBR Leonard, it works!!! Thank you very much! no need to restart apache.
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13:44 oleonard :)
13:44 MauBR :)
13:48 wizzycray hi
13:48 wahanui hello, wizzycray
13:48 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
13:49 wizzyrea hello hello
13:49 * oleonard pictures wizzyrea turning into wizzycray after a certain amount of time in #koha, which is why she's wizzycray when she logs back in
13:49 wizzyrea or maybe cray because of too much time away ;)
13:50 oleonard That's more like it :D
13:50 wizzyrea ^.^
13:51 * wizzyrea looks at the circulation home page and is JUST SIMPLY CHUFFED
13:51 wizzyrea it looks so good now.
13:51 wizzyrea sometimes I forget
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14:01 fridolin[…]e_de_donnees:tips
14:01 fridolin liliputech_asu_away: ^
14:05 oleonard wizzyrea++
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14:30 vfernandes hi #koha
14:31 vfernandes on we have the following if: [% IF ( MARCNOTES || notes || ( SyndeticsEnabled && SyndeticsSummary && SYNDETICS_SUMMARY )) %]
14:31 vfernandes MARCNOTES comes from method GetMarcNotes
14:31 vfernandes but i can't find from where notes are being calculated
14:32 vfernandes it's and not
14:32 oleonard vfernandes: I think it's looking for biblio.notes
14:32 wizzyrea hm, aren't the notes usually in the 500 fields?
14:32 vfernandes hummm that's it
14:33 oleonard biblio.notes is kinda obsolete since MARC came along.
14:33 vfernandes in MARC21 the notes are in 500 fields, in UNIMARC in 300 fields
14:33 wizzyrea so more like thinking about what what kind of paint it needs, rather than the colour.
14:33 wizzyrea er lol
14:34 wizzyrea 1694             # Field 5XX$u always contains URI
14:34 wizzyrea 1695             # Examples: 505u, 506u, 510u, 514u, 520u, 530u, 538u, 540u, 542u, 552u, 555u, 561u, 563u     , 583u
14:34 wizzyrea in C4/
14:34 wizzyrea for MARC21
14:35 wizzyrea but yeah it's grabbing them from the 500 fields
14:35 wizzyrea unless it's in the note blacklist syspref thingerdoodle
14:38 vfernandes the problem is that if MARCNOTES is empty (because of note blacklist), biblio.notes appear on note separator
14:38 wizzyrea ahh
14:38 wizzyrea always good to lead with the problem you are trying to solve :)
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14:39 wizzyrea Are you saying you never want to see notes ever?
14:41 vfernandes I want to see the notes, but with blacklist working
14:42 wizzyrea ah, so you have notes in the biblio.notes that you don't want to see?
14:42 vfernandes yes
14:42 wizzyrea and you can't blacklist them?
14:42 wizzyrea because they're not marc ones
14:42 wizzyrea tricky
14:43 vfernandes[…]iblionumber=39375
14:44 vfernandes I have a 300 field note filled, the system preference NotesBlacklist is set to "300"... MARCNOTES is empty, so biblio.notes is shown instead
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14:50 wizzyrea that seems like a bug, that you can't blacklist biblio.notes
14:57 wizzyrea cait about?
15:02 wizzyrea I like this
15:02 wizzyrea oleonard ^
15:02 wizzyrea because you are not busy enough
15:02 wizzyrea kekekeke
15:02 wizzyrea I tease
15:04 oleonard We actually do a variation of that in the OPAC ...which could be improved
15:04 wizzyrea I want to see it on those tables in the intranet that don't smush
15:04 oleonard See the holdings table on opac-detail
15:04 oleonard Yeah of course
15:05 wizzyrea i mean so many things to fix >.<
15:11 oleonard Bug 15326 is making good progress. Still needs work, but getting a lot closer.
15:11 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15326 new feature, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, Failed QA , Add CMS feature
15:12 wizzyrea YASS
15:12 * oleonard hates to keep throwing it back when it has already taken so long, but...
15:12 wizzyrea *nod*
15:18 wizzyrea hm I dn't get any errors from the QA tool for that patchset?
15:18 wizzyrea on the CMS?
15:21 ashimema awesome oleonard__
15:21 ashimema awesome oleonard++ even
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15:21 pastebot "oleonard" at pasted "15326 QA tool failures" (29 lines) at
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15:25 ashimema think those are all false failures
15:26 wizzyrea well those are new .pm
15:26 wizzyrea so if they don't have POD
15:26 * ashimema sort of wants to fix those but has been warned not to before by Joubu for some reason.. can't remember why
15:26 wizzyrea that's probably not great?
15:26 ashimema think it's basically just very hard to fix
15:26 wizzyrea it's not like they are less because they removed a sub or something
15:27 ashimema It's worth checking they have POD.
15:27 ashimema but they may well do.. that failure will still be there I think
15:27 ashimema unless my memory is serving me wrong
15:27 wizzyrea though I'd have to read how it comes to the conclusion that it's lesser coverage than before
15:27 wizzyrea because uh, how could it possibly be less on a new .pm?
15:27 ashimema maybe my memory is entirely failing me
15:29 wizzyrea omg I amust be very dense where do you even add pages
15:31 oleonard Tools -> Pages
15:32 wizzyrea well that is 100% not there
15:33 * wizzyrea resets the things
15:34 magnuse \o/
15:38 * oleonard fakes his own death and starts a new life in Idaho o/
15:39 wizzyrea I... what why
15:39 oleonard I was resetting all the things?
15:39 wizzyrea ohhh
15:39 wizzyrea well idaho is supposed to be under like 3 feet of snow soon
15:39 reiveune bye
15:39 wizzyrea or something
15:39 wahanui something is probably broken
15:39 wizzyrea bye
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15:39 wizzyrea ooh just caught him yess
15:40 oleonard Ha
15:49 wizzyrea @seen mtompsett
15:49 huginn` wizzyrea: I have not seen mtompsett.
15:49 wizzyrea o rly
15:49 wizzyrea @seen mtompset
15:49 huginn` wizzyrea: mtompset was last seen in #koha 6 weeks, 6 days, 11 hours, 25 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: * mtompset collapses asleep.
15:50 wizzyrea gosh I hope he didn't collapse and not wake up :(
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15:54 wizzyrea there it is jeez
15:56 wizzyrea man I'm gonna need a cookie or something before i test this
16:06 ashimema lol
16:06 * ashimema sends a bag of double chocolate chip cookies wizzyrea's way
16:06 wizzyrea golly thank you
16:14 oleonard I'm working from home all this week (which is unusual for me), and the temptation to go and make cookies is STRONG
16:15 ashimema do it, do it...
16:15 * ashimema chants in a teenage peer pressure manor
16:21 * oleonard saves all his idle time for petting the cat
16:32 ashimema good plan
16:33 wizzyrea no no you see
16:33 wizzyrea if you make the cookies
16:33 wizzyrea then while they are baking
16:33 wizzyrea you pet the cat
16:34 wizzyrea multitasking!
16:34 wizzyrea more task layering I guess
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16:37 wizzyrea hi cait
16:37 * cait waves
16:38 * oleonard , mixing cookies, shouts "Alexa, fix Bug 14907!"
16:38 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14907 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Item search: Call Numbers in Item search results are ordered alphabetically
16:41 cait lol
16:41 cait if it was just that easy
16:42 ashimema hehe
16:42 cait but i would be slightly worried about her code
16:42 cait calling home
16:42 ashimema It's school hols here.. I'm so tempted to hollar 'Isobel fix...'
16:43 wizzyrea Isobel is a pretty name
16:43 ashimema but I've not got a bug to hand I can give her yet
16:43 ashimema shout if you have a bug a 10 year old can takle.. she's done a couple already.. mostly string changes. I think she wants a small step up :)
16:44 wizzyrea aw my kiddo is 11
16:44 cait i'll keep it in mind!
16:44 ashimema Don't think Amelia is up to it yet though.. she's only 4.. wow how the years fly by
16:44 cait true
16:44 cait she got one of the first onesies
16:45 cait hay_fever--
16:47 ashimema 🙂 She did.. and I still have it in a memories box :)
16:48 ashimema Time for tea.. back in a bit..
16:48 cait aaw :)
17:04 cait wizzyrea: oops
17:04 cait were you just testing bug 22069?
17:04 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22069 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Log viewer not displaying item renewals
17:04 cait i just changed the patch slightly
17:04 wizzyrea i was
17:04 wizzyrea which one do you like better?
17:05 wizzyrea if your two
17:05 wizzyrea the one I signed off works for all cases
17:05 wizzyrea do you have a preference?
17:06 cait I am not sure about yours
17:06 cait i think th eline is not needed
17:06 wizzyrea no no yours is better
17:06 wizzyrea ignore mine
17:06 cait i think RENEW will already be in actions
17:06 wizzyrea it doesn't seem to be because it works when that's in there, but it doesn't when it's not
17:07 cait i just removed the circulation condition... it won't hurt if it's added becuase it will still limit by module
17:07 wizzyrea but anyway yours does work
17:07 cait it's strange enough that bug was never noticed
17:07 wizzyrea well renewal log is default off
17:07 wizzyrea do you like your 2nd patch better?
17:08 wizzyrea third patch I guess
17:08 cait yep
17:08 wizzyrea ok :)
17:08 cait third was just a change on commit message
17:09 cait wizzyrea++ thx for testing
17:10 wizzyrea no worries, better to get them turned around while people are still thinking about it
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17:10 wizzyrea (and yes I honestly did test it on all three patches)
17:19 cait oleonard++ wizzyrea++ # permissions bug
17:21 cait wizzyrea: could you maybe look into bug 22626 too?
17:21 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22626 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , 'Filter paid transactions' broken on Transactions tab in staff
17:22 wizzyrea sure
17:25 wizzyrea well that was easy to test :P
17:27 oleonard wizzyrea++
17:27 wizzyrea so cait
17:27 wizzyrea on 22357
17:28 * oleonard does a double-take because he's working on 22537
17:28 wizzyrea does there maybe need to be another data structure for the saved results
17:28 wizzyrea that's independent of the reports themselves?
17:30 wizzyrea oleonard, on 3766 i think we should make another bug for roads
17:30 wizzyrea :P
17:31 wizzyrea and keep this one for streets
17:31 wizzyrea or cities
17:31 wizzyrea i mean
17:31 oleonard I'd certainly be fine with that
17:34 wizzyrea k done bug 22673
17:34 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22673 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Road types only on one address
17:36 wizzyrea right and commit message on that cities/town patch tidied up as well
17:41 oleonard Thanks wizzyrea
17:59 wizzyrea I feel like bug 16357 actually works
17:59 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16357 normal, P3, ---, mtj, Failed QA , Plack error logs are not time stamped
18:00 wizzyrea but it's hard to get people to test that
18:00 wizzyrea @kidclamp maybe you or khall want to have a go at testing that? or get larry to
18:00 huginn` wizzyrea: I suck
18:00 wizzyrea er no, I think it's me huginn`
18:04 * cait checkes the queue and gasps
18:04 cait i had that under 70 *grump* heh
18:04 cait but kidclamp's is going up too
18:05 wizzyrea yeah exactly
18:05 cait wizzyrea: i keep throwing things at you... bug 17674 missed last release... I'd still like to have that
18:05 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17674 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, Needs Signoff , Allow UI to delete serials issues in batch
18:05 wizzyrea ohhh
18:05 cait just throw them back if you need me to stop
18:05 wizzyrea no no
18:05 wizzyrea this is what I do :)
18:07 wizzyrea it's good because I have a very linear way of going about the signoff list
18:07 wizzyrea and I'm happy to look at people's pets
18:07 wizzyrea pet bugs I mean
18:07 wizzyrea also pets but I meant pet bugs.
18:08 oleonard I'm happy to look at people's pets too
18:10 lukeG oleonard: UI designer/moonlighting veterinarian
18:10 * wizzyrea is an expert patter
18:10 * wizzyrea is super good at patting peoples pets.
18:11 oleonard lukeG: Definitely only in the pet-appreciation sense
18:11 cait i like cats?
18:11 cait *feels the group pressure*
18:12 oleonard[…]?p=15548334871129
18:12 cait aaaaaw
18:12 cait what do you need me to stamp pqa?
18:12 oleonard I'll even look at people's actual pet bugs if anyone has one.
18:13 wizzyrea https://scontent-dfw5-2.cdnins[…]
18:13 wizzyrea terrible link I hope it works
18:13 wizzyrea is my poochie <3 <3 <3
18:14 oleonard Sweet dragon rider
18:16 oleonard Another one:[…]?p=15548337517690
18:16 wizzyrea awwwwwwww
18:16 wizzyrea i think your cat might be broken though
18:17 oleonard I think my cat is still under warranty... Maybe when they fix him they can make him nice
18:17 wizzyrea oh snap
18:19 cait oleonard: don't say that.. i've got tons of pet bugs
18:20 oleonard cait: Tarantula? Hissing cockroach?
18:20 cait maybe 22601? looks like some kind of insect
18:22 wizzyrea tfw setting up test cases feels buuurdensooomeeee
18:22 wizzyrea it isn't of course
18:22 * oleonard sees if he can revive Bug 21891
18:22 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21891 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove non-XSLT detail view in the staff client
18:22 wizzyrea it just feels that way
18:23 cait that's a good one too
18:23 * cait pats it
18:31 * cait wonders if someone else thinks 'Payment, thanks' is odd
18:31 cait why the thanks? i mean we are polite... but
18:31 oleonard Yes, odd.
18:32 cait can we kill it? the three of us? :)
18:32 oleonard No one will ever find out!
18:32 cait hehe
18:32 cait i thought of us as a super hero team, but maybe we are villains
18:32 cait superlibrarians of the dark side
18:36 cait bug 22647
18:36 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22647 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Copy number should increment similar to barcode
18:43 cait hm
18:43 cait not that one
18:43 cait 22674
18:44 cait bug 22674
18:44 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22674 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Change wording of payments in the GUI
18:46 wizzyrea ok devil's advocate there
18:46 wizzyrea it is extremely common to put thanks on receipts and things in the US - and maybe I'd leave that thanks on in the OPAC
18:46 wizzyrea as the patron sees it
18:46 wizzyrea but it makes not a lot of sense in the intranet
18:47 cait but it's in a table
18:47 cait and not on a receipt
18:47 wizzyrea do we show the payment note thinger to the patron in the OPAC?
18:47 * wizzyrea looks
18:47 cait payment note? i am not sure
18:48 cait i think i have removed the thanks in trnaslation, germans are not so nice :P
18:48 cait or it might just be me
18:49 wizzyrea We do show that in the OPAC
18:49 cait hm?
18:49 wizzyrea the payment note
18:49 wizzyrea Payment, thanks
18:50 wizzyrea so patrons do see it
18:50 cait ah, i think we were talking different things
18:50 wizzyrea could*
18:50 cait there is a note field for payments too
18:50 cait that's description
18:50 wizzyrea well that's what I mean
18:50 cait yep
18:50 wizzyrea the description shows
18:50 cait yes
18:50 cait there are like 3 includes
18:51 cait that translate the codes into what shows there i think
18:51 wizzyrea I can 100% see that some places might not like that verbiate
18:51 cait so we could make it different for opac and staff
18:51 wizzyrea verbiage
18:51 * wizzyrea ponders
18:53 cait wizzyrea: different question, code for bug 3766 is still the same, right?
18:53 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3766 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Cities/Towns only on one address
18:53 wizzyrea that's right
18:53 cait because was almost finished testing yesterday :)
18:53 cait ok
18:54 cait that will speed things up a bit :)
18:54 wizzyrea yeah I just split off the roads as there was nothing done for roads in there
18:54 wizzyrea and put it in a new bug
18:54 wizzyrea and changed the title and the commit message
18:54 cait yep, fine with that
18:54 wizzyrea the original note references the roads but whatever
18:55 cait it#s a real old bug, i think this is nice already as is
18:55 wizzyrea yeah I have a strong suspicion that NZ might be one of the few places to have/commonly use the road types
18:56 wizzyrea (in koha, everywhere has road types)
18:56 cait they don't really make sense here
18:57 wizzyrea i mean to take the time to set up an authorised value to have them be consistently entered
18:57 cait Herosestraße
18:57 cait straße = street
18:57 cait it's part of the name, not separate
18:57 wizzyrea yeah that wouldn't make a lot of sense in german
18:57 cait becuase we Germans like to glue everything together
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18:57 wizzyrea i like it
18:57 cait i tihnk in france it works too
18:57 cait i seem to remember having been told that at laest
18:58 wizzyrea for some reason in nz they really like having the street number and the street name and the street type separate
18:58 cait ourlong words often create issues
18:58 cait like tables being too small etc. becuase the browser can't break them over multiple lines like it works with English
19:00 wizzyrea yeah
19:07 cait nooo...
19:07 cait no more pet pics :(
19:08 wizzyrea oh well
19:08 wizzyrea I have more pictures :P
19:08 wizzyrea https://scontent-dfw5-2.cdnins[…]
19:10 wizzyrea https://scontent-dfw5-2.cdnins[…]
19:11 cait do you have cats too? ;)
19:11 wizzyrea hm yes but he is hidey
19:12 oleonard I like that smiley one wizzyrea
19:13 wizzyrea he has the funniest underbite
19:26 ashimema I've always felt the thanks in payment was weird.. we get rid in British English mostly for customers too
19:26 ashimema Me just spent the last 20 mins reading back
19:29 wizzyrea I see that construction pretty often on things like account pages for say, phone bills
19:29 wizzyrea but it doesn't hurt anything to get rid of it
19:31 oleonard I see a lot of instances of "return -1" in Koha code. Is that a Perl way of saying "return false" or is it more complicated than that?
19:38 ashimema Haha
19:39 ashimema Actually return -1 will equate to Boolean true
19:39 oleonard Why use -1 ?
19:39 ashimema Really depends on what routines/methods your looking at
19:39 ashimema Why not 😉
19:39 ashimema Returns should be meaningful
19:41 ashimema So as long as the meaning of -1 is documented (I bet it's not) for the routine then it is perfectly acceptable.. if it's not documented it feels somewhat random and fraught will peril changing it just in case something expects it to be returned that way
19:42 ashimema I'm a fan of explicit returns at least.. All subs return something.. even if there's no 'return $thing' line
19:42 ashimema They default to.returning the result of the last thing they processed
19:43 cait which can be hard to spot
19:43 * cait likes explicit too
19:44 wizzyrea cait do you have a GDPR feeling about bug 12532
19:44 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12532 new feature, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, In Discussion , Redirect guarantee email to guarantor
19:44 ashimema Yup
19:44 cait ah, explicit, not gdpr
19:44 cait i hope it's optional?
19:44 wizzyrea it is
19:44 ashimema Lol, yes
19:45 cait we don't really use guarantors right now in terms of family accounts, so not a real strong feeling
19:45 cait i am not sure if that is a comomn thing in public libraries here or not, I haven't seen it so far
19:45 wizzyrea what about the "we don't tell guarantees that their guarantor gets their notices" thing
19:45 ashimema Optional at the gauruntee end or just as a pref for staff
19:45 wizzyrea i'm just trying to make sure i'm not being a willful curmudgeon
19:46 wizzyrea i mean I kinda am but also mostlynot
19:46 ashimema Hehe
19:46 cait is it per patron or global?
19:46 wizzyrea it's global
19:46 wizzyrea which I don't like
19:46 wizzyrea and the guarntee can't opt out
19:46 wizzyrea guarantee*
19:46 ashimema I have no idea how gdpr treats 'minors'
19:46 ashimema That's effectively what were talking about in the majority case here isn't it
19:47 wizzyrea well theoretically
19:47 wizzyrea did we ever get the ability for any patron to have a guarantor?
19:47 wizzyrea I didn't chase it up but I know it was a huge long bug for a while
19:47 ashimema Mmm, I don't like that its global..
19:47 oleonard I don't think so wizzyrea
19:47 cait wizzyrea: patches around for that, but not in i think
19:47 wizzyrea that's good that makes it easier to swallow
19:47 ashimema But.. if the whole idea is that all gauruntees are also minors then it sort of makes sense to me..
19:47 cait there is also a big patch in my qa that kind of rewrite the guarantor system
19:47 cait from kle
19:47 cait kyle
19:48 wizzyrea but yes the majority case is that they'd be minors
19:48 wizzyrea but I don't like that we don't tell them
19:48 cait allowing guarantors that are nt patrons
19:48 cait i tihnk
19:48 cait one of the more scary patches i haven't worked up to yet
19:48 cait i'd like a note somewhere
19:48 cait and also per user instead of global
19:48 cait like we have the 'can see tihngs in opac' maybe?
19:48 wizzyrea ah bug 12446
19:48 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12446 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, Failed QA , Enable an adult to have a guarantor
19:49 wizzyrea is the one I was thinking of
19:50 wizzyrea gonna guess
19:51 wizzyrea big leap
19:51 wizzyrea same company, same client
19:51 ashimema Lol
19:51 wizzyrea they need these functions
19:51 * ashimema wonders about the use cases..
19:51 wizzyrea an organisation can guarantee a professional?
19:52 wizzyrea you have a group of teachers in a building
19:52 wizzyrea you want to see what all of those teachers have checked out
19:52 * oleonard made some progress on Bug 22659
19:52 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22659 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Add 'save and continue' functionality to news editor
19:52 wizzyrea guarantor/guarantee would make that easy
19:53 wizzyrea (and those are just the ones I've had librarians ask me about in the past)
19:53 wizzyrea "can I..."
19:53 cait i am little worried about the conflicts with
19:53 cait bug 14570
19:53 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14570 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Make it possible to add multiple guarantors to a record
19:53 wizzyrea ew yeah that could get gross
19:54 wizzyrea should we let them know they are in danger of having to rewrite the whole thing?
19:54 cait hard to tell how we shoudl do it right
19:54 cait all are kinda old
19:54 wizzyrea yeah
19:57 cait wow
19:58 cait nso is below 200
19:58 cait last time has been a while ago
19:58 * oleonard had never tried enabling notice translation before reading cait's comment on Bug 22663
19:58 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22663 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Improve usability of 'display location' pull down in news editor
19:59 cait oleonard: we got a lot of multi-lingual libraries
19:59 oleonard I'm just surprised I'd never turned it on.
20:00 oleonard I think doing the same for news is a good idea
20:02 oleonard Okay, that's it for me. See y'all later
20:03 cait one day... i will manage to say bye to oleonard
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20:56 * cait waves at kathryn
20:57 wizzyrea hi kathryn
20:57 kathryn hi wizzyrea and cait :)
20:58 ashimema nighty night koha
21:04 cait good night ashimema
21:25 wizzyrea later friends
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